Terminator: Salvation

[Furtherman]

'Terminator' back for a new trilogy (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/10/film.terminator.reut/index.html)

A nascent film company has acquired the franchise rights to the popular movie series from producers Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna, intending to make a new trilogy. The deal is said to be in the tens of millions of dollars.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/10/film.terminator.reut/story.terminator.jpg

I hope they drop the "good" Terminator theme. Let's have some bad ass unstoppable Terminator raising hell.

[Midkiff]

sweet

[cupcakelove]

I got burned by the last one, I'm not getting my hopes up again.

[weekapaugjz]

as long as arnold is not part of the new movies i will check them out.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Im not holding my breath, I say it sucks balls

:king:

[Furtherman]

No distributor is on board, or any talent.

I think this is going to be a whole new story. No Ahnold. No John Conner.

[patsopinion]

after reading the descriptions of the two men who bought the franchise it looks like a hack fest

[EliSnow]

I think this is going to be a whole new story. No Ahnold. No John Conner.

From what I've read John Conner will be involved, as the movies will be set in the future with Conner taking on the machines.

Storyline (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32604)

[Doctor Manhattan]

The deal is said to be in the tens of millions of dollars.

for 3 Terminator Films. Doesn't sound like a big deal.

If there is no James Cameron or Arnold, why not just come up with a new idea?

Weren't all 3 Terminator Films put out by different companies?

[angrymissy]

I heard Terminator is gonna be the Rock

[JustJon]

I heard Terminator is gonna be the Rock

That was an old rumor for Terminator 4, but now that the franchise has new owners, who knows?

[Fallon]

I heard Terminator is gonna be the Rock

Asta La Vista.... Jabronie!

[AKA]

I always kind of imagined that the MATRIX picked up the story from THE TERMINATOR, years and years later. That's the way I roll.

[Don Stugots]

I heard Terminator is gonna be the Rock

GOLDBERG!.......................GOLDBERG!

[MadMatt]

How does this impact the new TV Series? Or are the 2 mutually exclusive?

[AKA]

How does this impact the new TV Series? Or are the 2 mutually exclusive?

I think it's two different companies with no real ties to one-another.

ALL stooopid ideas.

Make something NEW - I'm tired of hearing the word "FRANCHISE"

[FUNKMAN]

Im not holding my breath, I say it sucks balls

:king:

shhhhh board gossip time

sounds like it will be a "Trilogy Of Terror"

http://www.horrortv.it/trilogy14.jpg

[Hottub]

shhhhh board gossip time

sounds like it will be a "Trilogy Of Terror"

http://www.horrortv.it/trilogy14.jpg


http://www.videodetective.com/photos/086/003633_4.jpg

[cougarjake13]

I think this is going to be a whole new story. No Ahnold. No John Conner.

so whats gonna differentiate this from the matrix trilogy ???

[MadMatt]

so whats gonna differentiate this from the matrix trilogy ???

Also no Keanu...

[Judge Smails]

Terminator 4: Rise of the Macaroons

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/372/furlongsd2.jpg

[dereckfishboy]

The only thing worse than a robot that speaks with a thick accent is a robot who drinks blood and fights Ghandi. God bless the Terminator franchise for inspiring Fear Factory to write some kick-ass songs, but I think it had a long enough life.........

[EliSnow]

so whats gonna differentiate this from the matrix trilogy ???

I read somewhere that the difference is that in the new Terminator trilogy, black leather, sunglasses and kung fu will not be seen anywhere.

[cougarjake13]

I read somewhere that the difference is that in the new Terminator trilogy, black leather, sunglasses and kung fu will not be seen anywhere.

interesting


i wouldnt mind seeing a longer version of the humans vs terminators battle

[RogerPodacter]

whatever the series evolves to, it really needs to have more future-tech type wars and whatnots. maybe set in the future after the 3rd movie (i guess thats kinda obvious). maybe see the birth of the original terminator. oops, then arnold would be back though. oh well, i like him.

[Hottub]

3 billion human lives ended on August 29th, 1997.
The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war
Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new
nightmare, the war against the Machines...

[cougarjake13]

whatever the series evolves to, it really needs to have more future-tech type wars and whatnots. maybe set in the future after the 3rd movie (i guess thats kinda obvious). maybe see the birth of the original terminator. oops, then arnold would be back though. oh well, i like him.

not necessarily

in the future wars they had the terminators just as steel skeletons, they only put flesh on one, that became arnold b/c he was travelling back in time to a time where a walking steel skeleton would scare the fuck outta everyone

so no need for ahnold

[EliSnow]

in the future wars they had the terminators just as steel skeletons, they only put flesh on one, that became arnold b/c he was travelling back in time to a time where a walking steel skeleton would scare the fuck outta everyone


I don't think that was the reason. Remember the first movie. Resse was telling Sarah about the terminators with flesh on them and how they were using them to fool everyone, but they used dogs to sniff out these terminators. Also Reese had a dream where he remembered such a fleshy terminator infiltrating the human hideout and starting killing everyone. During that time was when the picture of Sarah that Reese had caught fire before his eyes.

So, it's clear the terminators with flesh on them were used against the resistance and weren't just used to go back in time.

[cougarjake13]

I don't think that was the reason. Remember the first movie. Resse was telling Sarah about the terminators with flesh on them and how they were using them to fool everyone, but they used dogs to sniff out these terminators. Also Reese had a dream where he remembered such a fleshy terminator infiltrating the human hideout and starting killing everyone. During that time was when the picture of Sarah that Reese had caught fire before his eyes.

So, it's clear the terminators with flesh on them were used against the resistance and weren't just used to go back in time.

yeh i forgot about those

i just was remembering that one scene i guess

[EliSnow]

yeh i forgot about those

i just was remembering that one scene i guess

As just another note, the scene where Sarah's picture was burnt showed a terminator that wasn't Arnold, which makes sense. If every fleshy terminator looked like Arnold, they'd be easy to identify.

So they can show fleshy terminators w/o Arnold.

[cougarjake13]

As just another note, the scene where Sarah's picture was burnt showed a terminator that wasn't Arnold, which makes sense. If every fleshy terminator looked like Arnold, they'd be easy to identify.

So they can show fleshy terminators w/o Arnold.

oh yeh they can do anything and find a way to explain it

i think he was just trying to say that since ahnold's model was the first terminator template we'd have to have him in it somehow

but if he's still the governator when they start filming i dont think he'll get involved it just wouldnt look right

[Bulldogcakes]

I heard Terminator is gonna be the Rock

At the box office, its expected to float like one.

[AcolyteAndy]

I always kind of imagined that the MATRIX picked up the story from THE TERMINATOR, years and years later. That's the way I roll.

Damn, I thought my mind invented that idea

[AcolyteAndy]

How about the plot being a machine Terminator travels back in time and becomes a Gov of a large(blue) state and wants to be prez but can't because he wasn't been in the US so he launches a war to overthrow the Gov't and become the ruler of the world!

[MadMatt]

I don't think that was the reason. Remember the first movie. Resse was telling Sarah about the terminators with flesh on them and how they were using them to fool everyone, but they used dogs to sniff out these terminators. Also Reese had a dream where he remembered such a fleshy terminator infiltrating the human hideout and starting killing everyone. During that time was when the picture of Sarah that Reese had caught fire before his eyes.

So, it's clear the terminators with flesh on them were used against the resistance and weren't just used to go back in time.

Actually, the ones the dogs could most easily spot had Rubber skin. That was one of the reasons they developed the cyborg/flesh Terminators to infiltrate the resistance.

I don't know if the model that Reese dreamed about was rubber or not, since the dogs went mental.

[EliSnow]

Actually, the ones the dogs could most easily spot had Rubber skin. That was one of the reasons they developed the cyborg/flesh Terminators to infiltrate the resistance.

I don't know if the model that Reese dreamed about was rubber or not, since the dogs went mental.

You're right about that, but remember the dog at the motel barked at Arnold too. Let me see if I can find the script.

[cougarjake13]

You're right about that, but remember the dog at the motel barked at Arnold too. Let me see if I can find the script.

here it is


http://www.hundland.com/scripts/TheTerminator_5th-Draft.txt

[EliSnow]

here it is


http://www.hundland.com/scripts/TheTerminator_5th-Draft.txt

Okay, the script said that 600 series were rubber and they spotted them easily. They don't say whether they were able to do so with dogs or just by plain human sight.

Later Sarah said she dreamed of dogs, and Reese said that they used them to spot Terminators. Later we see the motel dog barking at Arnold.

Also, there's nothing that says that the Arnold model is the first of this series. Reese calls the models "new" but doesn't say how new, etc.

I think in T2, they called the living metal terminator the first in the series, but it doesn't look like they did it here, unless I missed something.

[cougarjake13]

Okay, the script said that 600 series were rubber and they spotted them easily. They don't say whether they were able to do so with dogs or just by plain human sight.

Later Sarah said she dreamed of dogs, and Reese said that they used them to spot Terminators. Later we see the motel dog barking at Arnold.

Also, there's nothing that says that the Arnold model is the first of this series. Reese calls the models "new" but doesn't say how new, etc.

I think in T2, they called the living metal terminator the first in the series, but it doesn't look like they did it here, unless I missed something.

man you actually read through it huh ???
better man the me you are

[EliSnow]

man you actually read through it huh ???
better man the me you are

I didn't read the whole thing. I just did a search for the words "flesh" and then later "dog." I know that those words surrounded the discussion of how the terminators were identified by the resistance.

[Furtherman]

I hope this guy landed a role as "Solider #2" and is killed quickly. I don't want an underwear model picking up the series. That means they're going real cheap with the production.

Marcus Schenkenberg in Terminator 4? (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20684)

Just wanted to inform you about something interesting. The male model Marcus Schenkenberg was on a Dutch tv show and mentioned he went to Cannes last week and booked four new movie roles. One thing that stood out was Terminator 4 and he also mentioned that Schwarzenegger would have a 30-sec cameo. A clip of the interview that will be online next week.

[Midkiff]

I hope this guy landed a role as "Solider #2" and is killed quickly. I don't want an underwear model picking up the series. That means they're going real cheap with the production.

Marcus Schenkenberg in Terminator 4? (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20684)

Just wanted to inform you about something interesting. The male model Marcus Schenkenberg was on a Dutch tv show and mentioned he went to Cannes last week and booked four new movie roles. One thing that stood out was Terminator 4 and he also mentioned that Schwarzenegger would have a 30-sec cameo. A clip of the interview that will be online next week.

http://www.doggabyte.de/schenkenberg/schenkenberg/look/gallery/images/picgross07.jpg

Cum with me if you want to live, big boy!

[drusilla]

i always refused to see T3 because i thought that T2 just had such a perfect ending that summed up the series just fine. what was T3 even about & why would it warrant 3 more movies?

[Furtherman]

i always refused to see T3 because i thought that T2 just had such a perfect ending that summed up the series just fine. what was T3 even about & why would it warrant 3 more movies?


I liked T3. I thought the story and narrative wrapped up the whole storyline perfectly. The world in the movies does not turn out the way it does at the end of T2. There's more to it. I think it makes a good rental.

[topless_mike]

GOLDBERG!.......................GOLDBERG!

f him
psycho sid vicious....

[Tenbatsuzen]

The end of T3 was one of the saddest yet most beautiful endings to a sci-fi movie I've ever seen.

As for Marcus S. being part of the Terminator franchise...

1) Arnold wasn't exactly known as a great actor before getting the role of the Terminator. Hercules in New York, anyone?

2) There's not really a big difference between a bodybuilder and an underwear model.

Also, what happened to the Rock getting a role in this movie?

And will Arnold's cameo be of "Candy"?

[Tenbatsuzen]

The first terminator was "luck" it was the Arnold model.

The second terminator was picked to be the Arnold model so Sarah could identify it.

The third terminator was picked because John bonded with the Arnold model.

[Furtherman]

While it's been hinted in previous Hollywood trade articles, Moviehole now says it's a done deal - McG will direct Warner Bros. Pictures' Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, the fourth installment in the popular franchise.

Expected to hit theaters in the summer of 2009, "Terminator Salvation" will reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind.

McG directed We Are Marshall for WB and also helmed the "Charlie's Angels" films.

[cougarjake13]

While it's been hinted in previous Hollywood trade articles, Moviehole now says it's a done deal - McG will direct Warner Bros. Pictures' Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, the fourth installment in the popular franchise.

Expected to hit theaters in the summer of 2009, "Terminator Salvation" will reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind.

McG directed We Are Marshall for WB and also helmed the "Charlie's Angels" films.

how is it going to re invent the saga when its all taking place after the first 3 ???

[Furtherman]

According to the Reporter, Batman frontman Christian Bale is in talks to join another boffo franchise, playing a grown-up John Connor in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. (Hey, I think Phantom Menace just lost the honor of worst film title ever.)

Bale is currently lensing the Batman Begins follow-up The Dark Knight; McG (Charlie's Angels) is in negotiations to direct this latest Terminator trip.

[Furtherman]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/02/arts/02term600.jpg

This Film Will Be Back, Strike or No Strike (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/movies/02term.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Set for release by Warner Brothers next Memorial Day weekend, the fourth installment in the “Terminator” series, this one directed by McG, began shooting in May. Principal photography is not set to wrap until well into August.

[hammersavage]

Set for release by Warner Brothers next Memorial Day weekend, the fourth installment in the “Terminator” series, this one directed by McG, began shooting in May. Principal photography is not set to wrap until well into August.

I'm out...

[Slumbag]

I'm out...

I second. He really is the absolute worst.

[Sue_Bender]

I second. He really is the absolute worst.

There's no chance for a good result here.

[booster11373]

Teaser Trailer is up on Yahoo right now

http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

[cougarjake13]

Teaser Trailer is up on Yahoo right now

http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

nice looks good

[grlNIN]

It actually looks good from this trailer but who really knows.

Just because Christian Bale is in it doesn't mean it will be good, case in point-Harsh Times.

[Furtherman]

Here's the film's synopsis: In the highly anticipated new installment of The Terminator film franchise, set in post-apocalyptic 2018, Christian Bale stars as John Connor, the man fated to lead the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators. But the future Connor was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a stranger whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they uncover the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind.

Hey Mods? Could you please rename this thread Terminator: Salvation






I'm out...

I second. He really is the absolute worst.

And this is based on the two Charlie Angels films? What about We Are Marshall?

Either way, he had a totally new type of film here, and you can't base an assumption off of
films that aren't sci-fi.

You'll be in once you see more footage in a longer trailer.

[booster11373]

McG is directing this?

[CardiffGiant]

so is this set in a tangent universe from the other films and/or the TV series (which I like quite a bit incidentally) or is it too soon to know at this point?

[Slumbag]

And this is based on the two Charlie Angels films? What about We Are Marshall?



I'm basing this on the second Charlies Angels (he didn't direct the first), which I am ashamed to say that I have seen.

I'm also basing it on the fact that his professional working name is McG.

[mikeyboy]

I'm basing this on the second Charlies Angels (he didn't direct the first)

Yes he did.

[Slumbag]

Yes he did.

So he did. Still, directing the first one also doesn't necessarily help his case.
That one stunk, too.

[Furtherman]

So he did. Still, directing the first one also doesn't necessarily help his case.
That one stunk, too.

You were expecting it to be awesome? A remake of a TV show that was hack to begin with?

Most directors start of with shitty material. James Cameron's first film was Piranha 2.

I don't know how it's gonna turn out, but I wouldn't dismiss it on account of a couple previous works or how he spells his name.

[Furtherman]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080716/Comic-Con/terminator-salvation_l.jpg

[booster11373]

Is there really anything to worry about?

The US doesnt really manufacture anything anymore so who makes the the Terminators?

Now China and India should be worried!

[MisterSmith]

so is this set in a tangent universe from the other films and/or the TV series (which I like quite a bit incidentally) or is it too soon to know at this point?

I think things are still a little cloudy on that, at least as far as what the public knows. The early talk was that Terminator 3 effectively didn't happen because the TV series was going to screw up that series of events. However, nobody knew if the series was going to go over with fans.

There are too many people trying to make money on the franchise at the moment, so it isn't clear which "vision of the future" is going to be cannon and which is tangential.

[Contra]

Yeha the series did kind of fuck up the storyline with "skipping over" the death of Sarah Conner from cancer. But it should be set far enough past part 3 to explain away any plot problems.

[MisterSmith]

Yeha the series did kind of fuck up the storyline with "skipping over" the death of Sarah Conner from cancer. But it should be set far enough past part 3 to explain away any plot problems.

But John was also supposed to have been off-the-grid for years, working construction and doing other stuff. Essentially just bumming around not living up to his potential.

Unless they pull the series out of the picture or somehow wipe John's memory, T:3 doesn't make sense in the scheme of things. At lest that's what I think.

[patsopinion]

But John was also supposed to have been off-the-grid for years, working construction and doing other stuff. Essentially just bumming around not living up to his potential.

Unless they pull the series out of the picture or somehow wipe John's memory, T:3 doesn't make sense in the scheme of things. At lest that's what I think.

just pretend like it never happened
like what i did with the bush presidency

[cougarjake13]

Yeha the series did kind of fuck up the storyline with "skipping over" the death of Sarah Conner from cancer. But it should be set far enough past part 3 to explain away any plot problems.

But John was also supposed to have been off-the-grid for years, working construction and doing other stuff. Essentially just bumming around not living up to his potential.

Unless they pull the series out of the picture or somehow wipe John's memory, T:3 doesn't make sense in the scheme of things. At lest that's what I think.


on the show john's still in high school and theresstill time for him to disappear off thegrid and do the things mentioned in T3

and with them jumping into the future 8 years and sarah finding out about how she dies she has time to get a head start on finding the cancer and preventing it possibly plus by not living those 8 years she has 8 yrs of life past her old her death if she still getst he cancer and dies , she'll just die 8 yrs later than before

[fezident]

http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/

[Furtherman]

Sci-fi blog i09 of the Gawker Media group has taken a couple of frame-by-frame passes through the Terminator Salvation trailer to spotlight the new ‘bots John Conner will be fighting before the good ole Governator Model T-800 shows its face. (http://www.thebadandugly.com/2008/07/21/a-closer-look-at-salvation/)

http://www.thebadandugly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/t4_harvester.jpg

http://www.thebadandugly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/t4_t600.jpg

[KingGeno]

http://www.thebadandugly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/t4_t600.jpg

That is the T-600 model terminator. Think of it as the BRUTE model, the destroyer.

This man has been cast as Arnold's T-800 mold that John Connor apparently bumps into:
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/rolandkickinger.jpg

He was on Son of the Beach.

[Furtherman]

Terminator 3 ended with John Connor surviving Judgement Day and stepping up to the plate to offer the other survivors a voice of (semi) authority. So he's all set to take on the mantle of leader of the resistance, right? Er... no. Turns out it's not quite that simple. (http://io9.com/5070557/its-not-easy-being-john-connor)

McG explains:

"The interesting thing about this movie is that Connor comes to be under suspicion. Command will look at him and say, 'How come you keep coming through these things alive? And you know so much about the machines? What is that all about?' And they point a finger at him while the audience is realizing..." and here McG's voice is raised to an indignant shout: "... that is fucking John Connor! If anybody is on the side of humanity, it is this guy!' One thing I learned from Amy Pascal at Sony," he muses, "is make sure your hero deserves all the credit in the world and gets none. And that is John Connor."

Some mild spoilers in the article.

[Mr Charlie]

What do you think of the show? I am a fan of T3, felt it had a great ending. great progression of the story and how john comes to command.
I also feel the show lends to good progression, however i feel it sometimes is the worst television i have ever seen. It's hit or miss really.

But one thing i do notice is that it is supposed to be the time between T2 and T3. But it does not follow the foundation that T3 has set.

For example in the T3 John connor acts as if he knows 3 terminators really. But in the show there is a new terminator every week that john has to fight off or whatever. I just feel they are neglecting T3, which could be good, but if thier gonna follow 1 and 2 why not stay true to 3?

[Furtherman]

I think at this point you just have to separate the TV show from the movies. The show has been picked up for a full season. Ratings aren't spectacular so it remains to be seen if there will be a third season. If there is, they'll have to come up with new storylines and each one would most likely diverge from the movies. It's just easier to keep them seperate.

[Mr Charlie]

that is true...
but the basic connor story line is there. Although at time a bit over dramatic i like a lot of what they are doing with it.
I do enjoy how the future bots keep an eye on the internet usage of connor and when he slips up there is only a matter of time that another terminator is sent back to locate him the moment they know he is going to be there.
It's the little things i like i know.

[KingGeno]

They have a show that was just renewed for another season. The new movie comes out, shit goes down in the movie, certain key players and plots introduced, go back to the TV show and use ti as a means to flesh out the back story more. Origins.

[Contra]

I think if you follow the storyline they pretty much erased T3 with the events of the series. However I think the new film will start far enough in the future that it won't matter

[Furtherman]

Terminator 4 Concept Art Shows Half Breed Robo Killers (http://io9.com/5081729/terminator-4-concept-art-shows-half-breed-robo-killers)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2008/11/terminator_01.jpg

The half man, half bot creation is the T-600, which is not yet Arnold's T-800 and nowhere near the slinky liquid metal look of the T-1000. But look at that cannon he's got attached to his arm — I dare you to try and run away from those shells.

Also in this batch are the ginormous Harvesters with a close up on their spying tail. But more important is a close-up look at the Mototerminator. I'm by far and away most excited for the Mototerminator, which are exactly what you think they are, motorcycle terminators. Now as far as I can tell in this robot does NOT unwind into a Wheeler, a la Return To Oz, but you know what? It's one heck of a close call.

[KingGeno]

I saw the Behind the Scenes that was on AICN a few days ago. This movie looks totally awesome, I am so stoked. They are sorta introducing a Matrix feel to the movie, being that they showed the new Harvester bots that capture remaining humans for some reason, terminator models that turn into death cycles, etc. It looks great.

[Contra]

This stuff on youtube? Damn I want to see this!

[KingGeno]

Footage here (http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2008/11/8/new-terminator-salvation-footage.html)

[Furtherman]

I'm out...

I second. He really is the absolute worst.

There's no chance for a good result here.


You'll be in once you see more footage in a longer trailer.

Well? Check it out...

Footage here (http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2008/11/8/new-terminator-salvation-footage.html)

McG or not, that footage looks f'n awesome.

[Furtherman]

Some great details in this article. Not too spoilerish either.

New Terminator 4 Footage Shows John Connor Out Of His Depth (http://io9.com/5093558/new-terminator-4-footage-shows-john-connor-out-of-his-depth)

Two cool casting choices for the movie:

Michael Ironside (Nice).

Moon Bloodgood (the hottie from Journeyman).

[KingGeno]

More Michael Ironside is always great. He is a good actor in the roles he plays. Good article, and I'm really looking forward to this movie.

I have a potentially MAJOR HUGE SPOILER I wanna post about and discuss, but I don't wanna. I read and heard about it, and it has to do with the ending from a previous script revision. I wanna post it, but I don't wanna wreck it the movie for anyone else if it is true. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[Furtherman]

More Michael Ironside is always great. He is a good actor in the roles he plays. Good article, and I'm really looking forward to this movie.

I have a potentially MAJOR HUGE SPOILER I wanna post about and discuss, but I don't wanna. I read and heard about it, and it has to do with the ending from a previous script revision. I wanna post it, but I don't wanna wreck it the movie for anyone else if it is true. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Well, if it was the one that was around a few months ago about John Connor being a robot, it's not true. That's mentioned in the article.

[KingGeno]

I must be retarded and blind. I totally missed that ending part of hte article. Well, that makes me feel a lot better. I would have hated that.

God, I'm blind. So much for multi-tasking.

[Furtherman]

I must be retarded and blind. I totally missed that ending part of hte article. Well, that makes me feel a lot better. I would have hated that.

God, I'm blind. So much for multi-tasking.

Oh c'mon now, I wouldn't say you're blind.

[Furtherman]

Click here for a new flash-poster of Terminator. (http://www.sonypictures.net/movies/terminatorsalvation/poster.html)

[cougarjake13]

Click here for a new flash-poster of Terminator. (http://www.sonypictures.net/movies/terminatorsalvation/poster.html)

that was badass

[KingGeno]

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[Furtherman]

Ok, I know I should wait to see more but I've gotta claim that this movie is going to kick ass.

[KingGeno]

I'm really stoked about this movie. The video I posted is a teaser to the trailer. Trailer will be online soon.

Can't wait!

[KingGeno]

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[NYHCmikeX]

Just watched it without the sound on, seeing as I'm at work, but it looks bad ass.

[Furtherman]

Nice.

[Furtherman]

American trailer...

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[Furtherman]

In January, IDW Publishing debuts the comic book prequel to Terminator Salvation, opening in theaters on May 22. (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51896)

The year is 2018. With John Connor as the voice of the resistance, the scattered remnants of humanity find themselves united against their common enemy: Skynet and its Terminators. Through a patchwork system of radio transmitters, hacked satellite phones, and encrypted computer networks, resistance leader Elena Maric in Detroit, and Nigerian mining engineer Bem Aworuwa, have formed an unlikely friendship and drawn up battle plans to take the fight to the Terminators!

[KingGeno]

New Trailer showing with Watchmen:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810025211/video/11055705



Looks totally awesome. Glad they are disregarding Terminator 3, and this is a continuation sort of from T2. :drunk:

[brettmojo]

I heard there are boobies in this movie.

[Furtherman]

[B]
Looks totally awesome. Glad they are disregarding Terminator 3, and this is a continuation sort of from T2. :drunk:

They're not disregarding T3 (which, by the way, is a good film). In fact, they even have the character of Kate Brewster in Salvation, who was introduced in T3. Played by Bryce Dallas Howard in this movie.

[aceofspades7]

this movie looks ridiculous- i hope it at the imax in dc

[Furtherman]

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[MisterSmith]

Wow, that game looks pretty badass! But I didn't catch what platforms it is going to be on.

[Furtherman]

10 Different Timelines From The Terminator Universe (http://io9.com/5191092/10-different-timelines-from-the-terminator-universe)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/03/terminatortimelinez.jpg

A very detailed description of all the craziness jumping through time makes!

[booster11373]

As cool as it looks at least in the Cameron films, why would machines need spotlights? Im sure a whole mess of more advanced sensor abilities would be better for spotting those pesky humans hidind behind rocks

[cougarjake13]

10 Different Timelines From The Terminator Universe (http://io9.com/5191092/10-different-timelines-from-the-terminator-universe)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/03/terminatortimelinez.jpg

A very detailed description of all the craziness jumping through time makes!

at least someone is acknowledging it



all the time travel has to change things, whether minute or huge

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm interested to see how this movie will be. I hope they concentrated on story, and we get the same intense post-apocolyptic feeling that the first and second one gave us. However, I'm scared this may be big budget, cliche' ridden garbage.

We'll see.

[CuntagiousChris]

I heard they reshot a whole new ending because the original was leaked on the web

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

Ok, this 2:30 preview should scatter any doubts... this movie looks f'n awesome.

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[KingGeno]

I will be shocked if it is lame. It looks and has been sounding too awesome. Can't wait! ><

[cougarjake13]

Ok, this 2:30 preview should scatter any doubts... this movie looks f'n awesome.

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trailer looks awesome and i love that nine inch nail song or is it a reznor solo

[WampusCrandle]

trailer looks awesom

fuck yeah it does. can't wait to see it!

[IamFogHat]

For some reason I hadn't been keeping up but I saw the trailer before Watchmen and I thought it looked fucking awesome. I feel like it will be a different kind of movie from the others but if you think about it they are all sort of different kinds of action films in their own right, so my expectations are fairly high.

[SP1!]

It looks good but Im skeptical, then again I was one of the few let down by dark knight, this looks great though and it does appear that they have one good terminator guy if you watch the end of it closely.

[King Imp]

Damn you McG and your overly pretentious nickname! (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/05/aww-this-sucks/)

[brettmojo]

Damn you McG and your overly pretentious nickname! (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/05/aww-this-sucks/)
Weren't there tits in the first one?

[Furtherman]

Resistance Fighter Moon Bloodgood Gets Her Own Terminator CG Web Series

Want to know more about a minor character's climb up the ranks of the Resistance? The new six-episode Terminator Salvation machinima takes place two years before the film, exploring new bots and resistance-building:

The Resistance is the last hope for survival. Commanded by the remnants of a decimated military system, resistance fighters battle the machines of Skynet day and night without quitting. Blair Williams is one of these fighters. Blair is in her early 30's and is old enough to remember a normal life but vital enough to learn how to fight. She is highly skilled and superbly courageous - traits that often get her some of the hardest missions.

We meet Blair at the beginning of one of these missions. She has been sent into the heart of downtown Los Angeles, a known hot zone, to seek out and destroy something called "The Ghost" - a code name designated to a machine designed to interfere with Command's communications. The resistance knows that Skynet is ever evolving and this must be just another tactic to bring down the leadership. Without the ability to talk to each other, the Resistance would simply fracture and collapse. It was already starting to happen.

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[grlNIN]

I totally forgot this comes out tomorrow. I can honestly say that i have not been this excited to see a movie in a really long time.

[GreatAmericanZero]

lots of early reviews coming in, not one of them slightly good

once i heard it got a pg-13 rating i knew it was going to stink. For the type of movie it needs to be, it can't be good and pg-13.

say hello to this years "indiana jones 4"

[thepaulo]

lots of early reviews coming in, not one of them slightly good

once i heard it got a pg-13 rating i knew it was going to stink. For the type of movie it needs to be, it can't be good and pg-13.

say hello to this years "indiana jones 4"

The future looks very dirty. I don't like that.....a dirty future. Don't like it at all.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Moon Bloodgood has got to be one of the coolest names for a woman. I can understand the topless scene not being needed. The nudity in the first movie was a major part of the plot, so unless she got naked to conceive another leader of the human resistance it may not be needed, but why not have it anyway? It's supposed to be a fun movie. What is more fun than a naked Moon Bloodgood?

I am going to see it tonight, I am not expecting it to be as good as the 1st two movies, I am hoping it will be McG's Transformers (and by that I mean a sucky director's best work so far, which ends up not being so bad if you don't expect too much and turn off your brain for a little while. That is the only way I ended up enjoying Transformers the first time, but I made the mistake of watching it again. Only via RiffTrax (http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/transformers) was I able to enjoy it once more)

[Judge Smails]

Oofa! Go see Star Trek again and wait till this things on cable. Trust me.

Also, I saw no tits unless I fell asleep.

EDIT: Actually just read the thread and saw the scene was cut.

[HBox]

While the action scenes were great, better than Star Trek even, the rest of this movie was so incredibly stupid I almost can't believe it. There so much stupid shit that happens that it's overloaded my brain. The ridiculous action scenes were more believable than anything else that happens. They beat you over the head to explain the most simple plot points. Characters act like idiots on a consistent basis. The machines act even dumber than the humans. Stupid shit happens. This movie is the stupidest thing I have seen in a long, long time.

If you want to read about the unbelievable ending read the following spoiler.

John Connor gets a heart transplant from a machine. Because that's apparently the cure for being impaled in the chest and there are plenty of transplant surgeons and places to perform surgery in a post-apocalyptic wasteland that's getting nuked every other fucking day.

I wish I was making that dumb shit up.

[Judge Smails]

Seriously - if you take out the quality special effects what you have left is one of those lame SciFi Channel movies with insipid dialogue and highly unlikely situations as HBox described. Honestly it's really no better than Independence Day in that respect. Which come to think of it - there were scenes that struck me as complete rip-offs of other films including ID4, War of the Worlds, The New Battlestar Galactica - they even rip-off their own franchise with the final battle taking place in a factory with the molten metal and everything.

I can't tell you all how disappointed I was. The only solace I can get is if I can hopefully disuade some of you from wasting money on this. Like I said in my previous post- catch this on cable some Saturday night after you get home from a night of partying. Maybe it would be better if you're sedated.

[HBox]

Seriously - if you take out the quality special effects what you have left is one of those lame SciFi Channel movies with insipid dialogue and highly unlikely situations as HBox described. Honestly it's really no better than Independence Day in that respect. Which come to think of it - there were scenes that struck me as complete rip-offs of other films including ID4, War of the Worlds, The New Battlestar Galactica - they even rip-off their own franchise with the final battle taking place in a factory with the molten metal and everything.

I can't tell you all how disappointed I was. The only solace I can get is if I can hopefully disuade some of you from wasting money on this. Like I said in my previous post- catch this on cable some Saturday night after you get home from a night of partying. Maybe it would be better if you're sedated.

I felt the same way watching this. If there was no Christian Bale and this wasn't Terminator this was a straight to DVD movie. I do think this movie was filmed marvelously so at least that dummy DP did a good job. There were a couple of really long tracking shots that I liked. I also liked the sound work. The machines had some original, menacing sounds. But there was so much other bad stuff. There were so may things that didn't make sense, so many times characters acted in a simply unbelievable manner, so many massive plot holes it's hard to believe these actors could spit out some of these dumb lines. And then there was that one scene where they rip off the worst part in the Matrix trilogy that is so stupid on so many levels I almost walked out.

And they even changed what was a really cool ending to what I described above!

Originally John died and Marcus took his skin and continued on as leader of the resistance.

[foodcourtdruide]

This sounds so terrible. Its getting lots of bad reviews. It'll probably still make $70 million this weekend, lol.

[Scott from the Future]

For an action movie, they sure relied on lots of cheap scares to keep you on the edge of your seat.

Though the future will end up quite similarly, only the Whatley Posse takes over before the machines do.

[Doctor Manhattan]

For an action movie, they sure relied on lots of cheap scares to keep you on the edge of your seat.

Though the future will end up quite similarly, only the Whatley Posse takes over before the machines do.

I was not on the edge of my seat. And I checked my watch a number of times during this thing.

Well I don't just want to just bash it so here are a couple good things about the movie:

It was nice to see John listening to Sarah's tapes (you see her start to record one at the end of the original Terminator, and I think you even hear that exact one at one point during this movie) and John still has her picture (he hasn't given it to Kyle yet)

It was nice to see Arnold as the T-800. They used CGI/Face Mapping to put his face on Roland Kickinger's body. It looked a bit fake but it worked in my mind since this isn't a real person and should look a little fake (This is one of the first T-800's made when Kyle was a teenager, so they would make it look better by the time Kyle is a bit older and sent into the past to proteck Sarah from a newer T-800)

Did you guys know that O. J. Simpson was on James Cameron's short list of people to play the original Terminator but he did not think that "such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer" Really!

The movie had some fantastic action shots, but the story was lame. As said above. The TV show has a much better storyline (even if it's being cut off at this point)

This is Bale's worst movie, and McG's best. Just like John Turturro in Transformers.

[ADF]

t was nice to see Arnold as the T-800. They used CGI/Face Mapping to put his face on Roland Kickinger's body. It looked a bit fake but it worked in my mind since this isn't a real person and should look a little fake (This is one of the first T-800's made when Kyle was a teenager, so they would make it look better by the time Kyle is a bit older and sent into the past to proteck Sarah from a newer T-800)

Did you guys know that O. J. Simpson was on James Cameron's short list of people to play the original Terminator but he did not think that "such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer" Really


Spoiler text with red font = fail.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Spoiler text with red font = fail.

That is weird. I did not see the text when I looked back after submitting but I see it on your quoting on it.

just to be safe I edited mine to remove the color coding. You should do the same...

Sorry folks!

[AKA]

I can't thank you guys enough from saving me time and money on this.

Going to see TREK a second time instead.

[CYYYFYYY]

Thought it was very average. Nothing to be ashamed of but better of watching it on Netflix

[Doctor Manhattan]

I can't thank you guys enough from saving me time and money on this.

Going to see TREK a second time instead.

If you are a huge Terminator fan (Like I am) I wouldn't call it a waste of time, there are some cool things about the movie (but, yes, it's very average as CYYYFYYY said) and it doesn't have that silly McG feel, it's just not anything like a James Cameron caliber film. It's better than Terminator 3, but not as good as the TV show and no where near as good as Terminator or T2.

I do want to see Star Trek again. At T4 I saw a trailer for a cool looking Sci-Fi film: District 9 (http://www.d-9.com/) It may end up sucking but it looks like something new and not so much of a remake or rip off of something we've seen before

[saveopieanthony.net]

Honestly, I enjoyed it. I think a lot of people want to say "it sucks" just to say "it sucks".

I"suck". Honestly I think T3 is not as good as the other 2 Terminators obviously, but it's not a 'bad' film....it's just not as good.

Here they had to set up a new trilogy in the future, which they did fairly well. (We rarely saw post Judgement Day). They did do that.....there was action - would've like to see more actual terminators than hunter killers and motorcycle terminators...but you can't say there wasn't good action.

I do have a few problems with the middle scene (wouldn't that huge battle attract "bad" terminators??) and thought there would be more terminators - at Skynet?????

All in all it's no worse than Transformers from last year, and that movie made a fortune. I would probably see Terminator 4 again before Star Trek - but that's just me. It's like people think the first two terminators were the greatest film ever - they aren't. They are popcorn movies, and so is this one.

[Contra]

Besides the heart ending and the whole "signal" thing, I liked it. The ending could have been done MUCH better.

And just so I have this straight, pandering in star trek ok, but in terminator not ok?

[Doctor Manhattan]

And just so I have this straight, pandering in star trek ok, but in terminator not ok?

Yes, since JJ Abrams was part of the creation of Lost (and has little to do with it now) he gets a free pass, all the pandering and lens flare he can shove into a movie is okay.would've like to see more actual terminators than hunter killers and motorcycle terminators...

That is an excellent point. This movie should have been full of Terminators!

[AKA]

I am a huge Terminator 1 & 2 fan - I saw the third in the theatres, and kind of enjoyed it, but ultimately never bothered again - never seen a moment of the tv series - and when I heard this one was PG-13, and who the director was, my expectations went to zero. I just don't have the time or money right now on flicks just for the cool SFX.

[AKA]

This movie should have been full of Terminators!

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[HBox]

I am a huge Terminator 1 & 2 fan - I saw the third in the theatres, and kind of enjoyed it, but ultimately never bothered again - never seen a moment of the tv series - and when I heard this one was PG-13, and who the director was, my expectations went to zero. I just don't have the time or money right now on flicks just for the cool SFX.

Unless McG had a hand in the script I think he's the best part of the movie. The movie looks great and the action scenes were very well done. It was more the nonsensical plot and terrible acting.

[fezident]

Great LOOKING movie.
But... I gotta say... I enjoyed T3 more than I enjoyed T4. This one kinda lost it's way.

It sure did look cool, though.

[foodcourtdruide]

Just saw it, thought it lived up to the 35% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I LOVE Terminator and I really like Terminator 2. Kyle Reese is one of my favorite all-time characters and I actually liked the job Anthon Yelchin did in this flim. However, why on Earth was the little girl with him? It made no sense, added nothing to the story and was just there because it was a blockbuster film. Pretty dumb. Also, the War of the Worlds style kidnapping was lame and set-off a convoluted plot point that overshadowed the film and took away from the apocolyptic feel of the world McG was trying to create.

Bale added NOTHING to the film. Keanu Reeves could have probably played John Connor and I would have felt the same way. Also, I heard a lot about Sam Worthington giving a great performance, but I just didn't see it. Again, his love story with Moon Bloodgood was completely cliche' and absurd.

This movie had a lot of wasted opportunities. The Terminator world could be one of the coolest sci-fi worlds to put on screen. I think the film falling in love with it's own special effects took away from the story. I loved the world the first Terminator hinted at (with much less advanced special effects), but this world seemed empty. When Worthington is walking through a destroyed L.A. in the beginning of the film I really felt nothing. The story seemed rushed and heavily edited to fit in absurd climax's.

Too bad, could have been great.

[foodcourtdruide]

Honestly, I enjoyed it. I think a lot of people want to say "it sucks" just to say "it sucks".



I don't know why you'd think that. Most people that didn't like it have pretty good reasons for not liking it. I think your mentioning Transformers is good. These aren't films, they are a series of special effects disguised as movies.

[The Ogre]

Unbelievable fucking dogshit. There are so many plot holes and so much horrid exposition that I wouldn't know where to begin the dissection. I will say this. Why the fuck are killer machines more interested in throwing humans into the scenery instead of using their massive hydraulic power to CRUSH THEIR FUCKING HEADS.

[foodcourtdruide]

The whole time I'm thinking, "um, why don't he machines just detonate a nuke in every battle they have with the humans?"

[HBox]

A good article about what the script for this movie went through in the making of it. Apparently Christian Bale and Jonathan Nolan are largely responsible for this dogshit. Spoilers obviously. (http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html)

They took a script with interesting ideas and its own problems, took most everything interesting about it and took it out and replaced it almost with random scenes and little regard for a coherent story. I though that old script sounded really good right until hitting Skynet City. But they just ended up throwing together two bad scripts and hoping for the best.

Another thing that is still bothering me about the end and that final big explosion:

I don't think they had any idea how nuclear explosions work. What John Connor built was a dirty bomb.

[dereckfishboy]

Why the fuck are killer machines more interested in throwing humans into the scenery instead of using their massive hydraulic power to CRUSH THEIR FUCKING HEADS.

That's been a symptom of shit movies for a long time. I remember seeing Batman and Robin way back when, and I remember being annoyed as hell that Bane was punching through brick walls, and yet in the same sequence choked Robin for about a full minute with NO discernable. Instead of crushing him like a styrofoam cup, Robin didn't so much as rub his neck afterwards. Apparently a human windpipe is more resiliant than a wall.

[Scott from the Future]

Man, I was so excited in the beginning too! Actual military response to the machines! Shame the rest of the movie was just, "Look out, a robot or two. Lets flee."

[Furtherman]

I have to agree with some of the reviews here. It was a good movie, just not a great one. Incredible F/X. Awesome action scenes. At the beginning, when John takes the helicopter... that was an amazing shot. Would love to learn how they did that.

But yea, the story. It was just lacking punch.

I didn't feel Marcus' quest for knowledge. His relationship with Moon's character just didn't work.

And what's with the fucking kids we gotta see in action films anymore? Who thinks it's a good idea to throw a kid in these kind of movies. Pointless.

But seeing the Arnold T-800 come out of that room was awesome. I had heard the T-800 would be in there, I just didn't expect to see it with its skin on!

But yea, overall the movie falls flat.

[foodcourtdruide]

I have to agree with some of the reviews here. It was a good movie, just not a great one. Incredible F/X. Awesome action scenes. At the beginning, when John takes the helicopter... that was an amazing shot. Would love to learn how they did that.

But yea, the story. It was just lacking punch.

I didn't feel Marcus' quest for knowledge. His relationship with Moon's character just didn't work.

And what's with the fucking kids we gotta see in action films anymore? Who thinks it's a good idea to throw a kid in these kind of movies. Pointless.

But seeing the Arnold T-800 come out of that room was awesome. I had heard the T-800 would be in there, I just didn't expect to see it with its skin on!

But yea, overall the movie falls flat.

I don't know if the consensus in here is that the movie was good. I'd confidently say the movie was bad.

I agree with your other points. The kid in the movie was pointless, Marcus' quest for his origin was rushed and I didn't feel it AT ALL, and his relationship with Moon was beyond cliche'.

There were plotholes everywhere and things just miraculously happened with very little explanation.

The helicopter scene and some of the other special effects were cool, but it's not enough for me to consider this a good movie.

[TonyStark]

Man, I was so excited in the beginning too! Actual military response to the machines! Shame the rest of the movie was just, "Look out, a robot or two. Lets flee."

Agreed, I thought there would be sweet battles but besides that one with the A-10s there wasn't much man.