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Furtherman
05-22-2007, 10:58 AM
I haven't heard of this one coming up, but it is, and getting great reviews.

No Country For Old Men (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477348/)

CANNES, France (AP) - At a hotel beside the sun-dappled Mediterranean, the Coen brothers are recalling a harsh world of dust, drugs and death.

The American siblings' latest film, "No Country for Old Men," is a tale of murder that has impressed audiences and critics at Cannes Film Festival. At its center is an aging sheriff (Tommy Lee Jones) trying to catch a killer and make sense of a world in which violence seems to have no end.

"It's about his character confronting a violent, horrible, bleak, unforgiving world, and trying to come to terms with that," said a cheerful Ethan Coen, who wrote, produced and directed the film with elder brother Joel.

Trade magazine Variety called it "one of the their very best films, a bloody classic of its type." The Hollywood Reporter praised the film's "electrifying mood."

The brothers' darker side is back with a vengeance in "No Country," which harkens back in tone and Texas setting to their first film, the noir thriller "Blood Simple."

Set in 1980 and adapted from a novel by Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Cormac McCarthy ("The Road"), the movie begins on typical thriller terrain. Vietnam vet Llewelyn Moss (Josh Brolin) stumbles across the aftermath of a drug-gang shootout. Amid the bodies lies a briefcase containing $2 million in cash, which Llewelyn takes home to wife Carla Jean (Kelly Macdonald). In hot pursuit comes Anton Chigurh, an enigmatic, implacable killer - a terrifying, deadpan performance by Javier Bardem - who is determined to get the money back.

So far, so conventional. But the story soon veers in unexpected directions.



Won't be out in the U.S. until November though. I hope it's worth the wait.

This webpage has 5 clips to the movie. (http://www.commeaucinema.com/bandes-annonces=76586.html)

King Hippos Bandaid
05-22-2007, 11:03 AM
I always give the Coen Bros a Shot, looks interesting Enuff

:king:

zillax0rz
06-09-2007, 04:12 PM
I saw this at the Cannes Film Festival and it was pretty jaw-dropping. The villain, for me, is right behind Vader as best ever. Close to being a flawless film.

TheMojoPin
06-09-2007, 04:35 PM
This is an amazing book and I've been going nuts waiting for the Coens' adaptation to come out. Easily my favorite current American filmmakers. Now if they'd ever just do that adaptation of To the White Sea...

DarkHippie
06-09-2007, 05:16 PM
I think every cormac mccarthy book should be made into a movie. The visuals alone would fuck up the universe

thepaulo
06-09-2007, 07:05 PM
even oprah jumped on the Cormac McCarthy bandwagon ....making the Road her first new book club for years....

hammersavage
06-09-2007, 07:27 PM
I totally would have seen 'Wild Hogs' if it was called 'Bande de Sauvages' here.....

theclumsyox
06-10-2007, 12:56 AM
The hilarious Stephen Root of Newsradio and Office Space fame is listed in the credits. He is great.

HBox
06-10-2007, 02:10 AM
I totally would have seen 'Wild Hogs' if it was called 'Bande de Sauvages' here.....

Now I'm starvin. Got any sausages Earl?

klaus_kinski_Jr
06-10-2007, 05:49 PM
Yeah the clips are so spot on and look exactly like the passages in the book /highly reccomend the book if people want some good grity crime for their summer reading

LiddyRules
06-10-2007, 06:41 PM
I am more anxiously awaiting a new Coens than I probably am from any living director. I love them so much. They might be the best living director. Even above Scorsese.

Last week they were talking about a director with the longest run of great films. Coens have to be up there. Every film up until Intolerable Cruelty were classics. And I loved Ladykillers.

Chigworthy
06-11-2007, 06:31 AM
I think every cormac mccarthy book should be made into a movie. The visuals alone would fuck up the universe

Blood Meridian in the right hands would be devastating.

edit: As long as Matt Damon wasn't cast in it.

TheMojoPin
07-05-2007, 08:48 AM
Sweet Lordy Jesus, the trailer looks amazing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzRTujK1Qw4)

epo
07-05-2007, 08:57 AM
That Josh Brolin looks to be on a little mini-streak here. First he was great in Grindhouse...and from the trailer looks solid in this one also.

JohnWC
07-05-2007, 09:55 AM
Great book... and I love the Coen brothers. Looking forward to this.

Furtherman
10-03-2007, 09:54 AM
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JustJon
10-03-2007, 09:57 AM
I'm also hearing good things about the Coen's Bros movie after this one, "Burn After Reading"

TheMojoPin
10-03-2007, 01:42 PM
This very well may end up being their best film so far. By a lonnnnnnnnnnng shot. It looks nothing short of amazing.

Yerdaddy
10-04-2007, 12:44 AM
This very well may end up being their best film so far. By a lonnnnnnnnnnng shot. It looks nothing short of amazing.

How is that even possible?

I'm really hoping I can get a DVD-quality copy in Phnom Penh before it comes out in the theaters. It's been awhile since I've beat you guys to a new realease viewing.

TheMojoPin
10-09-2007, 07:51 PM
Here's the much, MUCH more violent "restricted" trailer:

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epo
10-09-2007, 08:16 PM
What's the scheduled open date on this?

zerothehero
10-10-2007, 07:57 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477348/releaseinfo

USA 21 November 2007

LordJezo
02-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Got around to finally seeing this.

Thought it was terrible. Did not hold my interest at all, I stuck with it just to see what all the fuss was about, and when the end came I never did figure it out.

I'd say most overrated movie of 2007.

:thumbdown:

TheMojoPin
02-23-2008, 09:02 PM
Got around to finally seeing this.

Thought it was terrible. Did not hold my interest at all, I stuck with it just to see what all the fuss was about, and when the end came I never did figure it out.

I'd say most overrated movie of 2007.

:thumbdown:

Now you're not even trying.

LordJezo
02-24-2008, 04:49 PM
Now you're not even trying.

What made this movie anywhere at all good? Nothing happened, it moved slower than almost everything else I have ever seen, the characters were dull, and by the end of it you care about no one. If anything this was a bad version of Fargo set in Texas the humor taken out and the brakes put on the whole way. It was one of those movies that make you look at your watch and wonder when the hell it will be over. As soon as the end came we were overjoyed that it was finally done and we could do something more enjoyable.

MM2
02-24-2008, 04:53 PM
What made this movie anywhere at all good? Nothing happened, it moved slower than almost everything else I have ever seen, the characters were dull, and by the end of it you care about no one. If anything this was a bad version of Fargo set in Texas the humor taken out and the brakes put on the whole way. It was one of those movies that make you look at your watch and wonder when the hell it will be over. As soon as the end came we were overjoyed that it was finally done and we could do something more enjoyable.

I'm going to have to somewhat agree with you. It was a good movie, that's it, a good movie, it was nothing special. You are right, nothing really happened, and maybe I missed the point, but I was disappointed. It was good, but Oscar worthy?

TheMojoPin
02-24-2008, 06:00 PM
What made this movie anywhere at all good? Nothing happened, it moved slower than almost everything else I have ever seen, the characters were dull, and by the end of it you care about no one. If anything this was a bad version of Fargo set in Texas the humor taken out and the brakes put on the whole way. It was one of those movies that make you look at your watch and wonder when the hell it will be over. As soon as the end came we were overjoyed that it was finally done and we could do something more enjoyable.

You either actually don't like it at all or you're trying to not like it. Why should anyone bother to try and make you like it?

I really don't understand the gripe of "nothing happening." I think people are looking too far into this film...one of the reasons I like it so much is because is so simple and tight in it's pacing and wha we see unfold. I think it's a no bullshit movie, which we see little of elsewhere.

King Imp
03-08-2008, 09:24 AM
I just saw this last night and I have to say I was not blown away like I expected from all the praise it got. It was a good movie, don't get me wrong, but I didn't find it to be great.

Here are some things I didn't get and frankly felt like they dragged the movie down. Spoilers ahead for those that haven't seen it yet.


1) What the hell did Tommy Lee Jones' character have to do with anything? I know he was supposed to be investigating what went on in that shootout, but that was the laziest investigation ever. He basically just sat around doing nothing wile his partner sporadically showed up with a smidgen of information that led nowhere.

2) Why did they even bother with Woody Harrelson's character if he was just gonna get killed that quickly? Seemed like a major waster of time to me.

3) What in God's name did that convo with that old guy in the wheelchair with all the cats mean or have to do with anything? Seemed like a waste of 5 minutes.

4) If Anton was in the room where Llewelyn was killed when Tommy Lee Jones came back to, where the fuck was he when Jones entered the room? Or were we just supposed to think he was there, but in fact was somewhere else?

5) Awful ending IMO with Jones just retiring and then telling his wife about some dream about his dad. Yeah, that really added a lot to the movie.

TheMojoPin
03-08-2008, 10:33 AM
I saw this on another site, and I thought it was a interesting approach:

The major theme is GREED and its consequences ("there are no clean getaways") and fighting with our conscience. It is NOT about death finding us. This is the point of the movie - move away from obsessing about death and instead look at the real root of all evil: GREED. Are you greedy? Do you fight with greed (Anton) in your mind?

Read the reasons below, rewatch the movie and everything will become clear!!! This is the one and only explanation of the movie.

There are two layers to this movie, the real part and the sub-conscious part:

Real Layer/Story: Moss finds some money beside dead Mexican drug dealers. He goes back to bring a dying Mexican some water but other Mexicans spot him (see his face/car) but lose him. However, they now know who he is via his rego plates - they go to his trailer park but he is not there so they track his wife around via the phone number of her mother (there is no tracking device (see below)). They find out where he is staying via his mother in law (helping her with her bags). When they do eventually find him they kill him in the hotel but do not find the money. Bell finds the money at the crime scene by checking the vents but he turns it in to the authorities (not shown but implied - see below). Carla Moss kills herself in grief after her husband's funeral. Bell retires because he cannot make sense of all the greed and evil in the world (a good man like Moss dies because of it), he cannot seem to stop it ("There are no laws left"). In the dream he and his father try to bring 'light to the darkness' but in the end he 'wakes up' to reality.

Conscience Layer (see below for more explanation): Moss does not meet Anton for awhile into the movie. He initially has a cleanish conscience (i.e. going back to give the dying Mexican water). When Moss decides to run from the Mexicans instead of just leaving the money in his trailer for them to find and leave him alone, Anton (greed) focuses his attention on Moss and begins tracking him. There is no tracking device. The tracking device in Anton's possession symbolizes Anton (greed) getting closer and closer from Moss' sub-conscience to Moss' conscience. Moss begins to understand that his wife will be in danger , he sees/realizes Anton/his greed, finding the phone list (which is actually the Mexicans finding the list in reality). He then discovers the tracking device at which point he meets Anton (greed) in his conscience. The next scenes are him fighting with greed in his conscience. He wounds greed (Anton) but does not kill him. Since greed is wounded you then see him talking to Carson Wells (his reasoning conscience) who says he might be able to help him and his wife if he just hands over the money (give up his greed). The hotel room across the street is Moss' mind. There Anton (greed) kills Wells (his reasoning conscience). We then see Moss having a direct argument with his greed (Anton) and Anton says that it is Moss' fault that his wife will now die - it was his choice (in his sub-conscious he thinks that the Mexicans will find her). Moss is then killed by the Mexicans but they do not find the money. Bell is not possessed by greed (you see him mirrored by Anton(greed) in the tv). Bell goes into the hotel room where greed (Anton) is potentially 'waiting' as the $2 million has not been found. He goes in there and sees the vent, he knows there is $2 million in there but he knows he won't take it (the heads on the coin symbolizes he made the right choice) so he does not see greed (Anton) - presumably he turns the money in. Carla kills herself (meeting Anton (death/greed) was her husband's fault). With his work done Anton finds some new 'victims' for greed when spots the kids on the bikes. He is wounded by the car crash so greed is wounded but then as he heals himself they begin fighting over the $100 bill (which in reality they probably found on the street - the cycle of greed begins again). Bell retires because he cannot make sense of the greed and death (we know he does not know greed), him and his father tried to shed light in the evil of the world but he 'wakes up' to reality that it will always be there (You can't stop what's coming).

Who is Anton?:
Anton is greed conscience. He is a ghost. He is not real. "Can you see me?" We have a choice to succome to greed (coin toss). He wears black/dark clothes.
Movie Poster Titles:
"You can't stop what's coming" (Anton). He survives the car accident and bullets but you can wound/slow him down.
"There are no laws left" (greed/Anton can't be controlled by laws/by Bell it is up to the person).
"There are no clean Getaways" (greed/Anton eventually wins - greed has dire consequences)

Who is Carson Wells and what is the Business Office?
Carson Wells is the good/reasoning conscience of Moss. The meeting in the office is the reasoning part of Moss' mind (the high rise office symbolizes his mind - the top of the building). The man behind the desk is Moss' sub-conscience saying that he wants his good conscience (Wells) to stop his bad conscience (Anton). Wells (good conscience) names a date, 28th November last year, when he last met Anton (bad conscience) - possibly this was a time that Moss had conflict in his conscious before. Wells says he knows Anton "every which way".
Moss talks to Carla on the phone and could end everything but instead insists on keeping the money. He says he has to find 'him' and she says "Find who?" She asks about the safety of her mother and Moss says she'll be alright (he knows the Mexicans will find his Mother in Law). At this point Anton (greed) bursts into the office (Moss' mind) and kills Moss' reasoning part of his mind. The other character, accounting, is just another part of Moss' mind probably accounting for his money. Moss knows in his mind that the Mexicans will find his wife (says the Mexicans were given a tracking device).

And there are many many more parts in the movie that support all this. Now watch the movie again and you'll be going "Of course!" "Oh, that line makes sense!"

That said, it's a flawed approach since it almost totally leaves out Bell.

underdog
03-08-2008, 10:33 AM
1) What the hell did Tommy Lee Jones' character have to do with anything?

3) What in God's name did that convo with that old guy in the wheelchair with all the cats mean or have to do with anything? Seemed like a waste of 5 minutes.

5) Awful ending IMO with Jones just retiring and then telling his wife about some dream about his dad. Yeah, that really added a lot to the movie.

I think I'm seeing why you weren't blown away by the movie.

boken-a
03-08-2008, 10:58 AM
in real life guys like like Sugar don't always get caught. I applaud the directors for staying so close to the source material and not just giving the fucking Are We There Yet? crowd a hollywood ending.

You should read the book. It'll give you a better insight to what the story is really about. Plus, Cormac McCarthy is a fantastic writer.

I recommend THE ROAD which is also being made into a film starring Viggo " Eastern Promises" Mortensen.

Or you can tongue my sweaty balls.

Chop Chop!
:smile:

thepaulo
03-08-2008, 11:09 AM
wtf fu

epo
03-08-2008, 11:12 AM
I think I'm seeing why you weren't blown away by the movie.

He needs movies, not films.

JimBeam
03-08-2008, 11:16 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting Tuesday so I can get this bad boy on DVD.

King Imp
03-08-2008, 11:55 AM
I think I'm seeing why you weren't blown away by the movie.

Care to elaborate?

underdog
03-08-2008, 12:58 PM
Care to elaborate?

From what I took from the movie, Tommy Lee Jones' character is who the movie is about. Everyone else sort of just ends up secondary. It's about his ability to deal with what the world has become.

So, in my eyes, if you feel no real connection with Jones's character, you're not going to be blown away by the movie.

King Imp
03-08-2008, 09:29 PM
From what I took from the movie, Tommy Lee Jones' character is who the movie is about. Everyone else sort of just ends up secondary. It's about his ability to deal with what the world has become.

So, in my eyes, if you feel no real connection with Jones's character, you're not going to be blown away by the movie.


I think that was part of the problem for me. I never read the book and from the trailers and previews I went into the movie thinking that Brolin and Bardem were the main characters, with TLJ being a secondary character. I never realized this film was supposed to be about Jones all along. Hell, from the trailers, I always thought Brolin's character was supposed to be a cop for some reason.

TheMojoPin
03-09-2008, 08:18 AM
I think that was part of the problem for me. I never read the book and from the trailers and previews I went into the movie thinking that Brolin and Bardem were the main characters, with TLJ being a secondary character. I never realized this film was supposed to be about Jones all along. Hell, from the trailers, I always thought Brolin's character was supposed to be a cop for some reason.

He has a highway cop's wet dream of a moustache.

underdog
03-16-2008, 12:16 PM
Why did Llewelyn go to Del Rio?

I just rewatched the film and it was very interesting watching it, thinking about all the random theories out there. The greed one made a lot of sense in parts.

JimBeam
03-16-2008, 12:44 PM
So what are we supposed to believe happened in " that colossal goat-fuck in the desert ", as that one guy put it ?

I read the book and now have seen the movie and I'm still unclear of who was on who's side ?

Who was Chigura working for ?

Why did he kill the 2 suits ( who must've been in management as the one deputy said ) that gave him the transponder ?

The 3 guys that Chigura killed in Brolin's room were the same guys that chased Brolin with the dog correct ?

They seemed to be Mexican and the guy who was asking for water, who had been killed before Llewelyn returned, was Mexican as well so why would they kill one of their own ?

Was it just a coincidence that when TLJ was telling Carla Jean about how they killed the cows with an airgun and he never realized that's how Chigura had killed the guy who he knew hadn't been shot because they didn't find a bullet ?

Nothing Sound
03-16-2008, 03:10 PM
I just saw this on DVD last night. It was good at best.
Nothing great like so many people out there are saying.

Drunky McBetidont
03-20-2008, 07:33 PM
if this was set in 1980 (or before), why would woody's character tell chugar that he had money in an ATM? seems to be a big flaw in the overall setting of the film. or maybe atms were around in 1980 and i just dont remember (i was ten years old).
otherwise i call bravo siera on the script for continuity.


btw, still the best film i have seen in 3 years and i have watched it 7 times

underdog
03-20-2008, 07:37 PM
if this was set in 1980 (or before), why would woody's character tell chugar that he had money in an ATM? seems to be a big flaw in the overall setting of the film. or maybe atms were around in 1980 and i just dont remember (i was ten years old).
otherwise i call bravo siera on the script for continuity.

I also wondered about that. And Chugar actually seemed perplexed by "ATM".

epo
03-20-2008, 07:39 PM
if this was set in 1980 (or before), why would woody's character tell chugar that he had money in an ATM? seems to be a big flaw in the overall setting of the film. or maybe atms were around in 1980 and i just dont remember (i was ten years old).
otherwise i call bravo siera on the script for continuity.


btw, still the best film i have seen in 3 years and i have watched it 7 times

From wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine)

However, the modern, networked ATM was invented in Dallas, Texas, by Don Wetzel in 1968.

Drunky McBetidont
03-20-2008, 07:43 PM
I also wondered about that. And Chugar actually seemed perplexed by "ATM".

yes, his reply, "ATM?" ... bang [as phone rings and rings] he so deserved the awards for best supporting!!!he has the best smirk on film in years:clap:

ChrisTheCop
03-20-2008, 08:01 PM
Mojo, thank you for that theory. I just watched this thing for the 3rd time today prior to reading your theory. But it makes alotta sense... and the ending makes sense now.

Wow... guess I'll be watching it a fourth time.

TheMojoPin
03-20-2008, 08:14 PM
Nice! I've already watched it 3 times on DVD. I love how it both works on a simple level and as so much more.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 12:17 PM
I thought the ATM thing seemed out of place when the guy gave Woody Harrelson the card but I guess they were around back then.

In a story I've read, and posted in the other NCFOM thread, the story was supposed to take place now but they screwed up in casting Josh Brolin, instead of his dad, and since the character had to be a Vietnam vet they had to backdate it.

Anybody have thoughts on the questions I asked previously ?

What are we supposed to believe actually happened in the desert scene ?

A double cross ?

A triple cross ?

epo
03-22-2008, 12:26 PM
In a story I've read, and posted in the other NCFOM thread, the story was supposed to take place now but they screwed up in casting Josh Brolin, instead of his dad, and since the character had to be a Vietnam vet they had to backdate it.



The story is set in 1980 in the book too. The casting of Josh Brolin has nothing to do with that.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 12:37 PM
I went back and read that interpretation that Mojo posted from another site and while it may makse sense I can't focus on it because I thin kthe write missed several points not left to the imagination.

Firstly Bell doesn't find the money in the vent. You see the screws on the floor and the vent open which means the Mexicans actually found it. In the book Anton recovers the money and turns it into an unknown, mysterious character who will now employ Anton.

I don't think Anton was working for these same Mexicans. Anton was working for the guy he kills in the office building. Anton tells the guy he doesn't kill that basically that they had already hired him and didn't need to send anybody else ( Casron Wells ).

Carla doesn't kill herself. She's either killed or not killed by Anton. Whether it happened or not I think is up to the individual viewer.

I personally don't think it's as much about greed because there was no real crisis of conscience when Moss takes the money. It was " dirty " money and therefore there was no moral obligation to do anything with it.

When he's confronted with the option of he and/or his wife being killed you could argue greed but it was also about him wanting to stay alive money or not. Remember Anton tells him he can't save himself either way.

underdog
03-22-2008, 12:41 PM
Firstly Bell doesn't find the money in the vent. You see the screws on the floor and the vent open which means the Mexicans actually found it.

There were screws and a dime on the floor, showing that Anton was the one who found the briefcase.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 12:57 PM
I was under the impression that the guys in the truck that was speeding off got the money.

Didn't Anton tell Carla Jean that he didn't get the money back and that's why he has to kill her ?

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 01:02 PM
Epo here are 2 articles mentioning that the script was in some way adapted to accomodate for the younger Brolin.

http://www.esquire.com/features/esquire-100/joshbrolin1007

http://www.filmdrunk.com/post.phtml?pk=434

When reading the book I never really got a feel for a certain time/place.

underdog
03-22-2008, 01:10 PM
I was under the impression that the guys in the truck that was speeding off got the money.

They purposely showed the dime on the floor, which is what Anton used to open the other vent. And if I understood symbolism at all, I'd probably be able to explain the importance of coins and Anton, but I don't so I can't. Mojo probably could.

Didn't Anton tell Carla Jean that he didn't get the money back and that's why he has to kill her ?

Nope. He told her he had promised her husband that he was going to kill her. If he even did kill her. I was left wondering if Anton getting into the car accident was the universe's way of punishing him for not fulfilling his word.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 01:23 PM
But the deal was that if he didn't get the money back he'd have to kill Carla Jean.

I'd say since he got it back he shouldn't have had to kill her.

Incidentally how did he track Llewelyn to the hotel if the tracking device was no longer w/ the money ?

I know how the Mexicans found him ( by asking the MIL ) but never got how Anton found him.

TheMojoPin
03-22-2008, 01:33 PM
They purposely showed the dime on the floor, which is what Anton used to open the other vent. And if I understood symbolism at all, I'd probably be able to explain the importance of coins and Anton, but I don't so I can't. Mojo probably could.

The only coin that's important are the ones he uses when he offers the tosses to his potential victims. The ones used as tools aren't. The coins he flips are his artificial morality. The stuff he spouts about fate is just his own BS to help justify the awful things that he does. He only offers the coin toss to people he doesn't "have" to kill. Everyone else he kills is in his way or involved in the money or has something he needs. The shopkeeper and Carla are just kills (or almost kills) for kicks, and that's why he offers them the chance to live...it's his way of excusing his actions if he does kill them, as if to say, "well, it's the coin's fault that they're dead, not mine."

Nope. He told her he had promised her husband that he was going to kill her. If he even did kill her. I was left wondering if Anton getting into the car accident was the universe's way of punishing him for not fulfilling his word.

That's exactly what the accident is. He violated his own manufactured moral "code" and life/God/karma/whatever basically rears up and kicks his ass for it. And you're also right about his pledge to kill Carla Jean...he was gonna do it whether he got the money or not so long as Moss refused to take the deal he offered to sacrifice himself for Carla Jean. Moss chose himself and the money (greed), and so Carla and he pay the price.

Jim, like I said before about the piece I quoted, it's rather selective at times, and some of its interpretations hinge on viewing this film as a giant metaphor (what really happened and didn't), which I don't necessarily agree with.

TheMojoPin
03-22-2008, 01:36 PM
But the deal was that if he didn't get the money back he'd have to kill Carla Jean.

I'd say since he got it back he shouldn't have had to kill her.

No, he said he was going to kill her unless Moss gave himself and the money up and allowed himself to be killed. They key is Anton killing Moss...which he doesn't get to do, so Carla's life is forfeit due to her husbad's refusal to surrender and his getting killed by someone other than Anton, though it's likely he would have killed Carla anyway i Moss never surrendered to him.

Incidentally how did he track Llewelyn to the hotel if the tracking device was no longer w/ the money ?

I know how the Mexicans found him ( by asking the MIL ) but never got how Anton found him.

I would assume he heard the news about the shootout at the hotel and put two and two together.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 01:43 PM
Mojo your post contained a disclaimer that you were all on board with that writer's idea so I figured that.

I'm still going w/ the idea that he didnt kill Carla Jean.

Although he did do something with his feet after he walked out of the front door which he seemed to do a few times after killing people.

JimBeam
03-22-2008, 01:48 PM
Oh I think I had a major brain fart.

So the Mexicans went back in the middle of the day and killed Moss but didnt find the money because it was hidden in the vents.

Then Anton went back after the fact, because he knew the money would be in the vents, and took it.

I was thinking the Mexicans and Anton were in some way at the hotel at the same time but that was what confused me as it wouldn't have made sense.

So basically the Mexicans found Moss, I guess he started shooting, and they just killed him and searched the room where they couldn't find the money.

Wouldn't they have thought Carla Jean had the money and gone after her ?

TheMojoPin
03-22-2008, 01:59 PM
Mojo your post contained a disclaimer that you were all on board with that writer's idea so I figured that.

I didn't say any such thing. This is what I said when I posted it:

I saw this on another site, and I thought it was a interesting approach:

That said, it's a flawed approach since it almost totally leaves out Bell.

How does that make me "all on board?"

I'm still going w/ the idea that he didnt kill Carla Jean.

Although he did do something with his feet after he walked out of the front door which he seemed to do a few times after killing people.

You just explained how we know for sure he killed Carla Jean. We see him constantly checking his shoes ater he kills someone or going out of his way to avoid getting blood on them. Why else would he be doing that leaving her place if he didn't just kill her?

FunkyDrummer
08-01-2008, 06:51 AM
The Museum of Modern Art Spotlights Joel and Ethan Coen (http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=25295)

The Museum of Modern Art showcases the genre-bending films of brothers Joel and Ethan Coen from August 2 through 28, 2008.