not cancelling?..fair enough. do you still want to make a statement to XM?

[moochcassidy]

im honestly not trying to spark up fights here, we all know how i feel about the boycott. if you want to discuss that stuff, come in to the other threads.



As subscribers to XM and fans of 202, how do people feel about rf.net doing its own letter writing/email campaign to make clear your displeasure at the suspension of O&A and intent to (do whatever) if they fuck with our buddays in the same way.

im sure most people have done this already but im only getting round to it now.

Its a positive move to make a statement while still fully supporting R&F through this crazy time.

i wouldnt advise a 'cut and paste' message from wackbag- a short heart felt statement seems to be more effective


Hugh Panero, Chief Executive Officer - hugh.panero@xmradio.com

Nate Davis, President and Chief Operating Officer - nate.davis@xmradio.com

Gary Parsons, Chairman of the Board - gary.parson@xmradio.com

Dara F. Altman, Executive Vice P- dara.altman@xmradio.com

Steve Cook, Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing - steve.cook@xmradio.com

Joseph J. Euteneuer, Executive Vice Pr - joseph.euteneuer@xmradio.com

Vernon Irvin, Chief Marketing Officer - vernon.irvin@xmradio.com

Eric Logan, Executive Vice President, Programming - eric.logan@xmradio.com

Dan Murphy, Executive Vice P - dan.murphy@xmradio.com

Stell Patsiokas, Executive Vice P - stell.patsiokas@xmradio.com

Joseph Titlebaum, General Counsel and Secretary - joseph.titlebaum@xmradio.com

[ScottFromGA]

not a knock on you, Mooch or your idea, I'm up for letting XM know how its affected the fans of 202.....but I'm one of the subscribers that thought the idea of canceling was a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction. I honestly believe that this agenda is making much of a difference.....a ton of people cancelled, a ton have taken the free month or more........I believe that the boys will be back soon enough.

[moochcassidy]

not a knock on you, Mooch or your idea, I'm up for letting XM know how its affected the fans of 202.....but I'm one of the subscribers that thought the idea of canceling was a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction. I honestly believe that this agenda is making much of a difference.....a ton of people cancelled, a ton have taken the free month or more........I believe that the boys will be back soon enough.

i appreciate that man i really do. this really isnt about cancelling or me bandstanding, i get that alot of people here arent onboard that move.

writing a few emails, coming from the perspective of a loyal fan like yourself who feels that exact way, could be an EVEN more powerful message to the exes

tell them you disagree with the current boycott in the email, but if youre one of the many .netters out there waiting it out, but willing to (take whatever action they see right) IF they DO fire O&A or treat R&F in a similar fashion in the future, tell them.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Too much reaction now weakens the impact of future reactions when a powerful reaction will actually be needed.

[mikeyboy]

Too much reaction now weakens the impact of future reactions when a powerful reaction will actually be needed.

Bullshit. If you wait until O&A are fired, letter writing will be futile, because no matter how much you do, it won't make a difference. O&A won't get re-hired. The time for this measure is now, because we don't know whether O&A will be fired, and if it is going to have any effect, now is the time. If you don't want to be a part of it, fine. But back off and don't shit on this thread. Take your smug pronouncements that you know all and stick them in one of the other threads.

[moochcassidy]

Too much reaction now weakens the impact of future reactions when a powerful reaction will actually be needed.

im not saying react now..im saying make them aware of your intentions to react in the future.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bullshit. If you wait until O&A are fired, letter writing will be futile, because no matter how much you do, it won't make a difference. O&A won't get re-hired. The time for this measure is now, because we don't know whether O&A will be fired, and if it is going to have any effect, now is the time. If you don't want to be a part of it, fine. But back off and don't shit on this thread. Take your smug pronouncements that you know all and stick them in one of the other threads.

Smug pronouncements?

The board pulled out every single stop they could have in 2002 to save R&F here in the city. It's hard to say whether it prolonged the inevitable or didn't make a lick of difference, but the end result was the same.

I am not being smug, and I am not shitting on people. But as someone who has been an observer (2002) and an active participant (my previous job) in radio crisis management, I am just calling them as I see them.

The media outcry has died down; the CBS show is doing fine. As I said, if O&A make it past this weekend with their XM job still intact, they'll be fine.

No matter what the listeners say, if ANY radio management team wants talent to be gone - they'll be gone.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I assume in Ireland, One Car Bomb would solve this problem

:king:

[Death Metal Moe]

Smug pronouncements?

The board pulled out every single stop they could have in 2002 to save R&F here in the city. It's hard to say whether it prolonged the inevitable or didn't make a lick of difference, but the end result was the same.

I am not being smug, and I am not shitting on people. But as someone who has been an observer (2002) and an active participant (my previous job) in radio crisis management, I am just calling them as I see them.

The media outcry has died down; the CBS show is doing fine. As I said, if O&A make it past this weekend with their XM job still intact, they'll be fine.

No matter what the listeners say, if ANY radio management team wants talent to be gone - they'll be gone.

I am forced to agree. How many people did the Capos spread the word to? How many letters, E-mails and phone calls did we all make? Remember the fucking plane?

It made little difference. When these corperate assholes make a move, they rarely change their minds, if just to save face.

[deliciousV]

Bullshit. If you wait until O&A are fired, letter writing will be futile, because no matter how much you do, it won't make a difference. O&A won't get re-hired. The time for this measure is now, because we don't know whether O&A will be fired, and if it is going to have any effect, now is the time. If you don't want to be a part of it, fine. But back off and don't shit on this thread. Take your smug pronouncements that you know all and stick them in one of the other threads.

Another outburst like that, councelor and I'll find you in contempt!

(sorry, I couldn't resist. you had every right MB)

[ralphbxny]

I assume in Ireland, One Car Bomb would solve this problem

:king:

:lol: Your not helping! :drunk: This is how they handle things now!!

[Fat_Sunny]

Excellent Idea MoochCassidy, And Thank You For Taking The Time To Supply All The Addresses! There Are Those Of Us Who Did Not Feel Comfortable With Canceling Service Or A "Boycott", But Still Like To Make Our Feelings Known.

If You Don't Think A Company (Or A Politician) Is Influenced By Letters From Customers/Constituents, You're Crazy!

[mikeyboy]

Smug pronouncements?

Here's an example:

As I said, if O&A make it past this weekend with their XM job still intact, they'll be fine.

Tell that to JV & Elvis. Honestly, you don't know. Even if you use terrestrial radio as a model, satellite radio is a completely different animal in that actions like cancellation directly hit the company in their bottom line rather than the indirect methods of boycott.

The board pulled out every single stop they could have in 2002 to save R&F here in the city. It's hard to say whether it prolonged the inevitable or didn't make a lick of difference, but the end result was the same.

So we should do nothing? You're missing a big difference here. O&A have been suspended and there is some word coming down that O&A have/will be fired. Even without that word, firing after a suspension is a very real possibility given recent events involving Imus, JV & Elvis and various other radio shows around the country. If/when XM announces that O&A are fired it, the chances of getting XM to go back on that decision are extremely slim. By letting XM know now of the support for O&A (by cancelling now, or alternatively by voicing displeasure and letting XM know the consequences of a firing), it can have a great effect on XM. If they are considering firing O&A, the economics of the firing may cause them to re-think it. If they have already decided to fire O&A, they can change their minds based on the groundswell of support and not have egg on their faces.

I am not being smug, and I am not shitting on people. But as someone who has been an observer (2002) and an active participant (my previous job) in radio crisis management, I am just calling them as I see them.

As I have said many times: there is no right or wrong answer in how to react, because we really don't know all of trhe variables behind the scenes. All I've asked is that people respect the decisions of others. Mooch's passion for cancelling may have rubbed some the rong way, but he's offering an alternative for those who don't want to cancel. I think that's great, and that he shows respect for the actions others take. You make it your business to tell everyone why they are wrong. You have an opinion, lay it out there, but don't pretend that it's gospel because of your experience because there is way too much that none of us know. Your dumb idea that MafiaLife Chris should remove the "MafiaLife" from his name when doing his Sopranos update was pretty clearly shot down by Ron on the air.

The media outcry has died down; the CBS show is doing fine.

Have you seen the ratings for FreeFM in total? Don't assume that it won't flip.

No matter what the listeners say, if ANY radio management team wants talent to be gone - they'll be gone.


And this is an entirely different issue. Of course it's the case, but it certainly doesn't mean we should all sit on our hands and assume it to be true.

Personally, I think it's a great idea, and I'm behind it. I think it's excellent way to encourage people to make their voices heard, expecially if they haven't decided to cancel their XM subs.

[Recyclerz]

Since this is course of action I've been following already, I'm gonna stand on Mooch & Mikey's side of the fence. I think Mikey's reasoning on this is directly on point. The time when outsiders have the most influence on any organization in a situation like this is when the decision is being kicked around internally, not after it's been made and certainly not after it has been announced publicly.

There are no guarantees the O&A/R&F community will restore the proper balance to the 202 universe but now is the time to try.

[STC-Dub]

I wrote what I thought was a very good letter complaining about the suspension when it happened to all of those e-mail addresses, I did not get one reply.

[Fat_Sunny]

I wrote what I thought was a very good letter complaining about the suspension when it happened to all of those e-mail addresses, I did not get one reply.

F_S Used To Work For A Fortune 50 Company, And ANY Letter That Was Sent To The President Or Chairman Was INSTANTLY Sent To PR For An IMMEDIATE Response, And The Response Was Not A Form Letter. Every Question/Request/Complaint Was Personally Answered. They Took Comments From Their Customers And The Public VERY Seriously, And Lots Of Ideas/Complaints In Those Letters Resulted in Concrete Actions Being Taken. They DID Make A Difference.

IF Xm Doesn't Take Those Letters Seriously, Then They Are Making A BIG Mistake. The Customers Pay Everyone's Salary, And If You Don't Listen To The Customers You're Dead!

[JustJon]

The media outcry has died down; the CBS show is doing fine.

So you don't read newspapers (LA Times), news aggregator websites (Digg and Slashdot), or watch cable news (PAC on CNN and Headline News)? Just because the media you are watching isn't covering it doesn't mean the media isn't covering it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So you don't read newspapers (LA Times), news aggregator websites (Digg and Slashdot), or watch cable news (PAC on CNN and Headline News)? Just because the media you are watching isn't covering it doesn't mean the media isn't covering it.

The media isn't covering this as hard as the Don Imus thing. It's quite literally "yesterday's news".

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tell that to JV & Elvis. Honestly, you don't know.



You're right, I don't. But it took 4-5 days for Imus to get fired, and a week for JV and Elvis. If XM is running spots that O&A will be back, that combined with the press dying down over this incident leads me to believe that they make it past the shareholder's meeting, they'll be fine. The press OBLITERATED Imus, and we already established that JV and Elvis had been suspended MULTIPLE times in their 14 months with CBS. I think that incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.



So we should do nothing? You're missing a big difference here. O&A have been suspended and there is some word coming down that O&A have/will be fired.



Tread lightly, as you're seen as a show insider.



Even without that word, firing after a suspension is a very real possibility given recent events involving Imus, JV & Elvis and various other radio shows around the country. If/when XM announces that O&A are fired it, the chances of getting XM to go back on that decision are extremely slim.



And as I said before, if they've already made the decision and delaying it until after the shareholders meeting, for them to go back on it is slim as well.


By letting XM know now of the support for O&A (by cancelling now, or alternatively by voicing displeasure and letting XM know the consequences of a firing), it can have a great effect on XM. If they are considering firing O&A, the economics of the firing may cause them to re-think it. If they have already decided to fire O&A, they can change their minds based on the groundswell of support and not have egg on their faces.



I think with the amount of research XM does, they know the amount of support O&A has. I wasn't berating the letter writing campaign, I was simply saying, with the amount of cancellations XM has gotten THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT. E-mails and letters at this point with no new news from XM dillutes the message.


As I have said many times: there is no right or wrong answer in how to react, because we really don't know all of trhe variables behind the scenes. All I've asked is that people respect the decisions of others. Mooch's passion for cancelling may have rubbed some the rong way, but he's offering an alternative for those who don't want to cancel. I think that's great, and that he shows respect for the actions others take. You make it your business to tell everyone why they are wrong. You have an opinion, lay it out there, but don't pretend that it's gospel because of your experience because there is way too much that none of us know.


I didn't say anything was wrong. I was just simply saying that I think XM is VERY aware of the support for O&A at this point. E-Lo has demonstrated that he was very hands-on with O&A. It's not Panero & co is going to forget that O&A is popular and the financial ramifications of what could happen. I was just trying to avoid dilluting the message.


Your dumb idea that MafiaLife Chris should remove the "MafiaLife" from his name when doing his Sopranos update was pretty clearly shot down by Ron on the air.


That is COMPLETELY separate from this issue and you know it. Chris made a point to make a big deal about pulling his advertising, while trying to solicit money for HIMSELF from the community. I called him on getting free plugs. Ron disagrees with me; so be it.


Have you seen the ratings for FreeFM in total? Don't assume that it won't flip.


If O&A are fired from XM, we'll actually get accurate data (well, as accurate as arbitron can get) about who is listening and will probably SAVE the station.



Personally, I think it's a great idea, and I'm behind it. I think it's excellent way to encourage people to make their voices heard, expecially if they haven't decided to cancel their XM subs.

As noted, my only concern was dilluting the message.

[AKA]

Tread lightly, as you're seen as a show insider.

http://www.mycatwearsclothes.com/images/claws.jpg

[mikeyboy]

I feel like I have sufficiently made my point so I only have a couple points to respond to.

You're right, I don't. But it took 4-5 days for Imus to get fired, and a week for JV and Elvis. If XM is running spots that O&A will be back, that combined with the press dying down over this incident leads me to believe that they make it past the shareholder's meeting, they'll be fine.

JV & Elvis was three weeks, and they were running spots for them all through the suspension. The media coverage of that never reached anything close to Imus levels and really died down after a week.

Tread lightly, as you're seen as a show insider.

I don't think anyone thinks I'm revealing inside information, but just for clarification, I'm referring to Zagman, the admin from Wackbag, pronouncing the firing to be fact on his site.

[BoondockSaint]

Starvin'. Earl, we got any Zagnuts back there?

[moochcassidy]

youre flailing now matthew. youve proven yourself to be totally out of your depth here

its embarrassing

i dont mind watching :lol: but take it to the other threads already discussing this

[Tenbatsuzen]

I feel like I have sufficiently made my point so I only have a couple points to respond to.



JV & Elvis was three weeks, and they were running spots for them all through the suspension. The media coverage of that never reached anything close to Imus levels and really died down after a week.



JV and Elvis were also behavioral problems, suspended at least twice during their short tenure at WFNY and nowhere near the big dogs that O&A are.

[mikeyboy]

JV and Elvis were also behavioral problems, suspended at least twice during their short tenure at WFNY and nowhere near the big dogs that O&A are.

Fine. Whatever. Duly noted. You've made your point. Now please step aside so the focus can go back to the people who want to do something positive for the cause.

[Don Stugots]

Starvin'. Earl, we got any Zagnuts back there?

you want them roasted or salted?



be sure to include your XM Unit # at the end of your email. I have these emails once a day since the list was put by someone on myspace with a form letter. Is it going into a spam folder? sure. do i care about that? not really. someone will notice. in the first few days, i did get back a lot of "out of the office" replies. oh well.

since i am a lover and not a fighter, i will stand back and let the rest of you duke it out. Nice work Mooch. Mikeyboy, great as always. Matty, eh, er, um.

[Midkiff]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x64/cuntburgers/IMUS.jpg

[mikeyboy]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x64/cuntburgers/IMUS.jpg

Now you're just re-using shit. Quit crapping on threads.

[ChimneyFish]

I just wanted to throw out my two cents in, for whatever it's worth.(nothing)

I haven't heard the "disclaimer" until I listened to Tuesday's show today.
When it first came out, I thought I had read that the disclaimer said something like check back in mid June(or something akin to that).
It now says June 15th.
I know that could easily be a bunch of bunk to throw at the people who haven't decided to cancel yet because of R&F support or whatever else, but I found it suprising that XM is running it so you can not edit it out of the Ron & Fez clips on your Nexus(I would imagine it's the same for the INNO). It's part of the hour+ long segment, so you have to hear it.
So....take from that inane post what you will.



And, if you're going to write an e-mail, it might be a good idea to not mention O&A, and even Ron & Fez, for that matter.
Filters, you know.