Who's to blame here?

[Tenbatsuzen]

A lot of people are pointing fingers. So we might as well settle this once and for all.

[Fallon]

I blame the whites!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Multiple choice enabled. Share your choice. I'm blaming Sharpton and JV and Elvis.

[Fat_Sunny]

F_S Is Washing His Hands Of This Whole Affair.

Tenbatsuzen Will Wash His Hands Too; For The 785th Time Today!

[burrben]

dan mason is twat

[Tenbatsuzen]

I blame the whites!

I blame the blacks. One big fat black in particular.

[Doctor Z]

How is "The Jews" not a choice?

[Tenbatsuzen]

dan mason is twat

That's what I don't get. He had to do what he had to do. It's douchey what he did, but you can't BLAME him. The reasons that Leslie Gold gave are EXACTLY why Free can't work right now, unless you have management that stands by talent that does well. It's why the Jersey Guys succeed.

[Tenbatsuzen]

How is "The Jews" not a choice?

Now, Dr. Z... as an Austrian, that's a dangerous statement to make.

[Doctor Z]

Just sayin'...

[drusilla]

i blame the whites for their "white guilt"

[Dudeman]

what if we say someone, but for a different reason? i say ona for poor ratings.

[Don Stugots]

i blame the whites for their "white guilt"

i say women. they drive us crazy.

[legroommusic]

How about blaming condaleeza rice for be a sexy whore.

[drusilla]

i say women. they drive us crazy.

that is an accurate statement

[Don Stugots]

that is an accurate statement


all through out time, anything that man has done was to impress a chick.

[HBox]

I selected all of the above.

[Boz]

Earl Douglass has to be an option for causing all of this. It is a shame to blame an entire race for his inability to do his job and how that inability caused an entire station format change.

[Midkiff]

There were choices I liked, but they had too many qualifiers for my taste. Therefore, I chose the blacks.

[moochcassidy]

Earl Douglass has to be an option for causing all of this. It is a shame to blame an entire race for his inability to do his job and how that inability caused an entire station format change.

apart from the race shite..earls not to blame in the format flip decision, but its clear to everyone that he didnt meet the grade as a producer at that level. im dissapointed in him.

[badorties]

corporate CBS for being so rash

[Mr.Pants]

The limp wristed suits at several companies

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Standards and Practices

:king:

[cupcakelove]

Executives who care more about next quarters numbers than producing a long term quality product.

[Dougie Brootal]

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/velvel/sharpton.jpg

[EliSnow]

I'd go with Hollander for hiring Diamond Dave, but since that's not an option, I'll choose Imus and Sharpton together.

[Midkiff]

Unprofitable or not, I still say Dan Mason is a mega-douche. Don't bother defending him because I don't give a shit. Screw Dan Mason.

[badorties]

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/velvel/sharpton.jpg

you can't really blame him, it's his nature and it's what he does ... same goes for jv & elvis: shock jocks that shocked

all blame rests with corporate: all decisions are made by them ... there's no one else to point to

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I blame the whole mess on the pussy-fication of America.

[Marc with a c]

earl

[thelyonhart]

sheepy

[DolaMight]

I blame the WFNY Janitors. Quietly mopping, quietly plotting.

[ScottFromGA]

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/velvel/sharpton.jpg

he da debble......pur out eeeeeeeveeeeelllllllll..........

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I still blame the then #1 ranked and undefeated Duke Lady Blue Devils.

If they had simply knocked out Rutgers in the earlier round, none of this happen. HIT A DAMN FREE THROW!

I also blame capitalism.

[led37zep]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s114/Kastlerock/Wall_Street.jpg

[cartshlepper]

Earl and Dave

[zolo6029]

This country is officially in the toilet! It's over and done. I feel sorry for the next generation,they will be told how to live and think.

[oh_kee_pa]

I still blame the then #1 ranked and undefeated Duke Lady Blue Devils.

If they had simply knocked out Rutgers in the earlier round, none of this happen. HIT A DAMN FREE THROW!

I also blame capitalism.

watching this from the outside looking in is an amazing thing... and it's funny, so many things had to fall in place for this to happen... it was destined from the beginning of time.... welcome to the twilight zone

[STC-Dub]

We can include Rosie in this for starting the insultiong Asians is bad thing, then everyone getting pissed at Imus, and JV and Elvis for thinking they could get away with their bit. In the end, we can blame the Sharpton's of the world and the businessmen/women, and politicians that think he represents anyone. There is plenty of blame to go around, but that will not help get Ron and Fez back on FM radio -- I am already suffering from withdraw, I had been planning my days around listening to the buddies 6 hours a day.

[Mangoat]

I blame the whites!

Voted with you my brother, stay strong

[Team_Ramrod]

The issue isn't blacks or whites or sharpton or O&A.... Well, Maybe not Whites or O&A.

The biggest problem is that there is a woman in a position of power. If she would have stayed where she was supposed to none of this would have happened.

It's her fault for thinking that 'homemaker' isn't an honourable profession.

[Death Metal Moe]

You People.

[ChimneyFish]

Immagration

[CofyCrakCocaine]

That's what I don't get. He had to do what he had to do. It's douchey what he did, but you can't BLAME him. The reasons that Leslie Gold gave are EXACTLY why Free can't work right now, unless you have management that stands by talent that does well. It's why the Jersey Guys succeed.

I blame Dan Mason because he's generally hostile to the notion of Talk Radio in the first place.

I blame Dan Mason because of his history with the O&A show and I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a key instrument in making them stay off the air for two long years allowing their power base to whither into disinterest with the great weapon that is Time.

I blame Dan Mason because JV and Elvis got fired under his newest tenure at CBS, and I blame Dan Mason because Ron and Fez were fired under his tenure- in the end, he fired the whole talk radio format for New York City with the exception of O&A.

I blame Dan Mason because he replaced Joel Hollander, who was the proponent and creator of FreeFM, and he arose in Joel's place immediately following the Imus blow-up. It was not surprising that Hollander disappeared so soon after a "safe" figurehead of talk radio like Imus was destroyed- the lower ratings were a proponent, but the simulcast of XM with FM certainly was a contributing factor to that, as well as the fact that there aren't too many good talk radio shows out there. I'm sure half of O&A's audience heard their FM show long after 9am passed by each day. And Mason's aformentioned bias towards Talk Radio had not a little bit of incentive for motivating the format change. That O&A are still on FM at all is a short-term miracle to me.

Finally, I blame Dan Mason because his managerial decisions (along with Powell, if that's even his name, from FCC and Clearchannel) have helped drive away old Mr.Moneybags Howard Stern, costing CBS tons of money, and because CBS radio has not done too too good since O&A's firing in 2002 (though I know Mason left CBS at some point after or even before that- I don't know his full history so I admit right now I am fairly ignorant of the man's full out biography- I only speak what I believe, feel, and have gathered from the tidbits about him I've learned over the years). So if he's to be considered a smart radio banker, that's fine and dandy, but from my standpoint, it looks like he's hurt the radio more than any other figure in CBS lately. Again, I could be wrong on this one point, but it's my feeling about the man.

If I'm wrong on any of these levels, please, debate me I'm open to discussion and finding out why I might or am wrong. But this is what I believe as of now, and Mason's on the top of my shit-list, right there with all the execs that cowed before Sharpton- Sharpton has power because they gave him it without so much as a finger lifted to fight for their own talent, and that makes me hate THEM more than I hate HIM.

Sincerely,
CuntClownCake

P.S. I also blame him because he's exactly the kind of guy who would step in line with a fuck like Sharpton and oppress/remove Talk Radio- and has done so, thereby validating my feelings on this.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Unprofitable or not, I still say Dan Mason is a mega-douche. Don't bother defending him because I don't give a shit. Screw Dan Mason.

Woah there cowboy. Tenbatz and whomever (including me if the evidence ends up in Dan's favor) will go on defending his decision (I'll still dislike him personally) and we don't/won't give a shit if you yourself don't give a shit. I know I'm over-reacting to your statement since you're intelligent and aware how we wouldn't ever stop cuz u didn't like something, but yeah. Stupid statements like "Don't bother cuz I say" annoy me, and I hunt them down whenever I read or hear them. Nothing personal.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

This country is officially in the toilet! It's over and done. I feel sorry for the next generation,they will be told how to live and think.

I wouldn't go that far either Hector Hysteria.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Executives who care more about next quarters numbers than producing a long term quality product.

EXACTAMUNDO YOLANDA!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I blame Dan Mason because he's generally hostile to the notion of Talk Radio in the first place.

I blame Dan Mason because of his history with the O&A show and I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a key instrument in making them stay off the air for two long years allowing their power base to whither into disinterest with the great weapon that is Time.

I blame Dan Mason because JV and Elvis got fired under his newest tenure at CBS, and I blame Dan Mason because Ron and Fez were fired under his tenure- in the end, he fired the whole talk radio format for New York City with the exception of O&A.

I blame Dan Mason because he replaced Joel Hollander, who was the proponent and creator of FreeFM, and he arose in Joel's place immediately following the Imus blow-up. It was not surprising that Hollander disappeared so soon after a "safe" figurehead of talk radio like Imus was destroyed- the lower ratings were a proponent, but the simulcast of XM with FM certainly was a contributing factor to that, as well as the fact that there aren't too many good talk radio shows out there. I'm sure half of O&A's audience heard their FM show long after 9am passed by each day. And Mason's aformentioned bias towards Talk Radio had not a little bit of incentive for motivating the format change. That O&A are still on FM at all is a short-term miracle to me.

Finally, I blame Dan Mason because his managerial decisions (along with Powell, if that's even his name, from FCC and Clearchannel) have helped drive away old Mr.Moneybags Howard Stern, costing CBS tons of money, and because CBS radio has not done too too good since O&A's firing in 2002 (though I know Mason left CBS at some point after or even before that- I don't know his full history so I admit right now I am fairly ignorant of the man's full out biography- I only speak what I believe, feel, and have gathered from the tidbits about him I've learned over the years). So if he's to be considered a smart radio banker, that's fine and dandy, but from my standpoint, it looks like he's hurt the radio more than any other figure in CBS lately. Again, I could be wrong on this one point, but it's my feeling about the man.

If I'm wrong on any of these levels, please, debate me I'm open to discussion and finding out why I might or am wrong. But this is what I believe as of now, and Mason's on the top of my shit-list, right there with all the execs that cowed before Sharpton- Sharpton has power because they gave him it without so much as a finger lifted to fight for their own talent, and that makes me hate THEM more than I hate HIM.

Sincerely,
CuntClownCake

P.S. I also blame him because he's exactly the kind of guy who would step in line with a fuck like Sharpton and oppress/remove Talk Radio- and has done so, thereby validating my feelings on this.

Fair enough. There are some inaccuracies in here, but this is the kind of well, thought-out post that I don't have an issue with, as opposed to the "DAN MASON IS A FUCKING CUNT!!" with nothing to back it up.

[ChimneyFish]

I blame Sunsetter Retractable Awnings.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Thanks Tenbatz. I wouldn't be too annoyed with them "FUCK HIS ASS-SHIT-DOUCHE" argumenters just because, as it is Sharpton's nature to be the race-baiting asshole he is, it is also the nature of your average radio audience to be filled with a steaming mass of knuckle-dragging mouth breathers. I've seen Stern rallies as well as O&A rallies. Gotta say, lots of great people in that mix, including the mouth-breathers, but the argumentation levels alot of these guys had were barely past high school level. (edit: Ron and Fez fans are a glaring exception to this rule- and way more intelligence in the crowd who love O&A than the bastards in the Stern crowd)

I'll read more up on Dan Mason if there's any useful sites with his info on them, but I'm curious as to where I'm most glaringly inaccurate in my post. I'm always open to hearing all sides of an argument so I know how better to make my case (and get a better mind for where I should stand in the end).

[JPMNICK]

I blame corporate profits. someone with some balls and who did not care about the bottom line would have done the following

1) left everything in place, and let them say pretty much whatever they want
2) Let advertisers fall out that want out
3) Advertise the station and the talent
4) Lets ratings and the fan base grow over a year
5) One year later things blow over, and now you have a station that has been growing and has a solid fan base
6) Re-up advertisers for more money

[sailor]

wish i knew it was multi-choice before i voted. :(

[sailor]

I blame corporate profits. someone with some balls and who did not care about the bottom line would have done the following

1) left everything in place, and let them say pretty much whatever they want
2) Let advertisers fall out that want out
3) Advertise the station and the talent
4) Lets ratings and the fan base grow over a year
5) One year later things blow over, and now you have a station that has been growing and has a solid fan base
6) Re-up advertisers for more money

so, you say you're against corporate profits, but your counter-plan it to maximize corporate profits? crazy double-talk!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I voted Dan Mason, Al Sharpton, and the Blacks.

[ChimneyFish]

I blame the broccoli.



Coincidently, that's the name of my new polka/new wave/grindcore/rock band and autobiography.

[Fat_Sunny]

so, you say you're against corporate profits, but your counter-plan it to maximize corporate profits? crazy double-talk!

Hmmm...F_S Is Beginning To See A Pattern Here!

[DolaMight]

That's it, I'm gonna come out and say what everyone's thinking, but was too afraid to say.

I blame the Jews. First Jesus now this.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

so, you say you're against corporate profits, but your counter-plan it to maximize corporate profits? crazy double-talk!

You're probably joking and I'm not getting it, but his point (I think) is that corporate profits in the long-term would have been greater if they kept the talents of Imus, R&F, O&A in '02, etc. and would outweigh any potential losses that would have resulted in light of say, special interest groups and their members boycotting someone and whining for a few months. He's blaming corporate profits in the sense that they're extremely short-sighted and only care about now now now.

I'd also like to add that Seinfeld season 7 sold like motherfuckin' hotcakes strictly because real-life Kramer was screaming "Nigger nigger nigger!" at a comedy club and Jesse Jackson and Sharpton were screaming BAN THE WORD, BAN SEINFELD! Perhaps the same woulda happened with listenership for Imus had, say, CBS not buckled under pressure. (And before people argue that kramer wasnt employed no more, they could have stopped selling Seinfeld alltogether if they were that scared- but they weren't utterly retarded like the radio execs are)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Thanks Tenbatz. I wouldn't be too annoyed with them "FUCK HIS ASS-SHIT-DOUCHE" argumenters just because, as it is Sharpton's nature to be the race-baiting asshole he is, it is also the nature of your average radio audience to be filled with a steaming mass of knuckle-dragging mouth breathers. I've seen Stern rallies as well as O&A rallies. Gotta say, lots of great people in that mix, including the mouth-breathers, but the argumentation levels alot of these guys had were barely past high school level. (edit: Ron and Fez fans are a glaring exception to this rule- and way more intelligence in the crowd who love O&A than the bastards in the Stern crowd)

I'll read more up on Dan Mason if there's any useful sites with his info on them, but I'm curious as to where I'm most glaringly inaccurate in my post. I'm always open to hearing all sides of an argument so I know how better to make my case (and get a better mind for where I should stand in the end).

The main inaccuracies is that Dan Mason left his role in CBS radio before O&A were cancelled in 2002, and Dan Mason took his NEW role in CBS radio AFTER Imus was fired.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

That's it, I'm gonna come out and say what everyone's thinking, but was too afraid to say.

I blame the Jews. First Jesus now this.

How can you say This? This isn't a laughinG matter! :furious:

(i'm ripping off Gvac, hoo hoo)

[CofyCrakCocaine]

The main inaccuracies is that Dan Mason left his role in CBS radio before O&A were cancelled in 2002, and Dan Mason took his NEW role in CBS radio AFTER Imus was fired.

Ok thanks on the first one, I didn't know that and I stand corrected. On the second one though, I kinda was saying he showed up in light of Imus getting fired- meaning he showed up after he was fired. I'm saying someone in CBS may have let Hollander go because he was all for Talk Radio, and execs were terrified talk radio would get themselves into alot of special interest group flak. And the ideal choice for his replacement was Mr.Mason, who hates Talk Radio. So technically, my argument wasn't ever saying he didn't show up AFTER Imus was fired.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

By the way, I'm stupid. Who exactly was the big corporation that ultimately canned Imus? I don't think it was CBS, as his show was on MSNBC, but I don't know the nature of mergers and all that in radioland and whether or not Imus was CBS talent or NBC talent (does NBC even have a stake in radio??). Who owns WFAN I guess is the big question here.

[sailor]

I blame corporate profits. someone with some balls and who did not care about the bottom line would have done the following

You're probably joking and I'm not getting it, but his point (I think) is that corporate profits in the long-term would have been greater if they kept the talents of Imus, R&F, O&A in '02, etc. and would outweigh any potential losses that would have resulted in light of say, special interest groups and their members boycotting someone and whining for a few months. He's blaming corporate profits in the sense that they're extremely short-sighted and only care about now now now.

i totally understand his point. doesn't change the fact that he wrote "somone...who did not care about the bottom line would have done this" and then gave a 6 point plan to work on...the bottom line. capisce?

[Tenbatsuzen]

By the way, I'm stupid. Who exactly was the big corporation that ultimately canned Imus? I don't think it was CBS, as his show was on MSNBC, but I don't know the nature of mergers and all that in radioland and whether or not Imus was CBS talent or NBC talent (does NBC even have a stake in radio??). Who owns WFAN I guess is the big question here.

Imus owned his own show, and it was syndicated out to CBS radio. MSNBC also syndicated it.

CBS owns WFAN, and WFAN is the crown jewel of the CBS Radio empire, as it is (or was) the highest billing station in the entire company.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The problem is, quite simply, with a large company like CBS radio, there's too many people to answer to. That's why the Jersey Guys on 101.5 is different. Small company, and there's only a few people to answer to top to bottom. That's why Carton and Rossi have gotten away with everything they've said. They've been burned, but never fired. And it's a MODEL of how management who stands by "shocking" talent eventually reaps rewards.

We don't even know if it's Dan Mason who made the decision to flip the format, those marching orders could have come from above. But as much as Joel Hollander was talked up on the air, he made two HUGE mistakes - Jack-FM and Free-FM.

[JPMNICK]

i totally understand his point. doesn't change the fact that he wrote "somone...who did not care about the bottom line would have done this" and then gave a 6 point plan to work on...the bottom line. capisce?

I meant short term, maybe i did not state it. in the long run, all advertisers would have come back at a higher rate, hence making more money.

short term, 92.3 would not be billing as much as they would want. someone needed to step up and put his ass on the line and stand by the decision to keep the talent and the format, and ride this thing out. This is a career decision for someone. If it failed, he gets fired in 18 months. If it works out, he just made his career and will be shooting up the ladder.

[JPMNICK]

Case in point, when WNEW dumped talk format in 2002, it cost the company MILLIONS of dollars. and then Jack failed, and WNEW was in the shitter for 3 or 4 years pulling low numbers. that person who made the decision, in hindsight, made the wrong deicsion because they wound up rehiring all those people again, and the station now, 92.3, was starting to do better. this is alsmot the same situation as 2002, and it seems no one learned from what happened then.

[ruggedo]

Its gotta be the whites. You need power to turn the off switch. Anyone can suggest you turn it,but the whites have their finger on the button.

[ChimneyFish]

The Mole Men

[epitaph]

dallas. dallas is to blame.

[J.Clints]

I blame America for becoming a pussy ass country.

[ChimneyFish]

dallas. dallas is to blame.



Texas is an outrage when your husband is dead
Texas is an outrage when they pick up his head
Texas is the reason that the president's dead
You gotta suck, suck, Jackie suck

[douchebagsean]

i picked mason but the real person whom should shoulder all the blame is viacom chairman redstone. when he let hollander go he let the only true radio man leave the radio divsion. they should just sell the radio divsion because they obviously dont know or care how to run radio stations. i dont think one idea they had worked since they got rid of joel. lets face it if joel was in charge the imus situation probably would have eneded differently. imus, jv and elvis and free fm in general are all victims of a power vacuum at cbs

im punching out

[Gvac]

I blame JustJon.

None of this shit would've happened if we kept the original messageboard.

[J.Clints]

I blame JustJon.

None of this shit would've happened if we kept the original messageboard.

I didn't want to be the one that said it but you know.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I blame JustJon.

None of this shit would've happened if we kept the original messageboard.

So is that two votes for "The Jews"?

[Death Metal Moe]

I blame Tenbats and his overuse of the word insubordination.

[J.Clints]

I blame Tenbats and his overuse of the word insubordination.

Good to know I am not the only one sick of seeing him use it. I new I could count on moe.

[UpperEastSideDave]

Is there anyway we can figure out what companies back that fat race bating bastard and boycott the shit out of them. If nothing else we can do it Keyser Soze style and figure out who supports the people who write the checks... there has to be a paper trail. Why not hit him in the pocketbook like he has done to pretty much all of NY talk radio.

[Midkiff]

Fair enough. There are some inaccuracies in here, but this is the kind of well, thought-out post that I don't have an issue with, as opposed to the "DAN MASON IS A FUCKING CUNT!!" with nothing to back it up.

"DAN MASON IS A FUCKING CUNT!!"

[Fat_Sunny]

You Are A Naughty Boy, Midkiff!

[Bulldogcakes]

I live by a simple rule. When in doubt, blame Al Sharpton.

[TheArchies]

I blame the ineptness of the medical community. The apparent insubordination of the heart doctors in the New York area is ruining radio. Oh, and the blacks.

[sailor]

I meant short term, maybe i did not state it. in the long run, all advertisers would have come back at a higher rate, hence making more money.

short term, 92.3 would not be billing as much as they would want. someone needed to step up and put his ass on the line and stand by the decision to keep the talent and the format, and ride this thing out. This is a career decision for someone. If it failed, he gets fired in 18 months. If it works out, he just made his career and will be shooting up the ladder.

like i said, i got yer meaning. i was just having fun with some of the words.

[LawnDarts]

I blame pussy ass America for tolerating this bullshit. Send a clear message and listen only to O&A on that lame ass station.

[LawnDarts]

PS- Tell them about the discount, Harry...

[J.Clints]

PS- Tell them about the discount, Harry...

Harry

[Heather 8]

I blame Tenbats and his overuse of the word insubordination.

I'll take the blame for that. After all, it says blame me in his sig. :D

[ShelleBink]

Strange, my choice isn't on there.

[mr.smokepants]

Let's face it, radio is a business, and Free FM's format was sucking (or so I understand....no proof or inside info), so the canned the crew except for O and A. All this means is that yet again, faithful fans of the Chick, Nick and the buddays have to go elsewhere. I just feel bad for Ron and Fez and the crew....having another NYC gig blow up. The thing is, we all know that these two are like cats...they fall on their feet every time. It certainly doesn't change how much I love their show, and I bet there isn't a poster on this site that won't seek them out on XM and where ever else they end up on regular radio. I personally canned my sub in favor of the online stream. I only listen to the buddays anyway.

Look on the bright side....I bet Ron and Fez are going to get paid in full for their contract! Go get em boys. You're pros! Congrats Dave, get better Fez!

Smoke

[cougarjake13]

had to go with sharpton b/c thats the closest answer to what i think

but really its any of these media whore mongers that speak for a very small minority of people

[Acne_Americana]

The Blacks and The Whites.

The chess pieces got the best of all of us.
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