I want it clear that I blame Lieberman

[epo]

The compromise (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070524/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_69;_ylt=AgcNzn.8h3NOGDGPJzGATfwE1vAI) that was reached this week between Congress & the White House on the Iraq is kind of making me sick. Bush basically got his way, got the cash to continue running the war in Iraq without a timeline as the Democrats wanted.

This is pissing me off for a couple of obvious reasons: the guys being placed in unnecessary harms way (my opinion) & the public relations disaster this is for the Democratic Party. Editorials like this are everywhere (http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/tphyrillas_20070526.html). Publicly the party is currently seen as bowing to Bush's thrown.

But honestly there is only one person to blame for this, Joseph Fucking Isadore Lieberman.

Let me backtrack to the primaries in Connecticut for Senate. Lieberman faced a strong challenger in Ned Lamont, but in the end Lieberman won out. But to do so, Lieberman had to make the voters of Connecticut one promise; that he would no matter what, caucus with the Democratic Party (http://www.spazeboy.net/2006/10/a-question-for-joe/).

Since then however, Joe has been playing the middle, wanting both parties to lick his nuts as his is the deciding vote of power in Washington. Just last week infact, Joe the Asshat threatened to switch his caucusing affiliation. Link to story here (http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/22/lieberman_again_threatens_to_switch_parties_a_week _after_admitting_hed_promised_not_to).

This asshole is so in love with himself that he basically cost the Democrats their most important vote in this Congress. If they hadn't supported the war that he supports, he was gonna go caucus with the Republicans. That being the case, they folded.

Now there are two things that I want in 2008: The White House & a Lieberman-proof majority in the Senate.

http://dumpjoe.com/images/bush-lieb-kiss.jpg

Thanks for nothing Joe.

[Midkiff]

Well-spoken. He is indeed a douche.

[Fat_Sunny]

This asshole is so in love with himself that he basically cost the Democrats their most important vote in this Congress. If they hadn't supported the war that he supports, he was gonna go caucus with the Republicans. That being the case, they folded.

Now there are two things that I want in 2008: The White House & a Lieberman-proof majority in the Senate.

Thanks for nothing Joe.

To Look At It From Lieberman's Point Of View, It May Be "Payback" Time. He Probably Thinks That He Got Stabbed-In-The-Back By The His Own Party And Does Not Owe Them Anything. He's Not Only Getting His Way, He's Getting Revenge.

[epo]

To Look At It From Lieberman's Point Of View, It May Be "Payback" Time. He Probably Thinks That He Got Stabbed-In-The-Back By The His Own Party And Does Not Owe Them Anything. He's Not Only Getting His Way, He's Getting Revenge.

The problem with that is (which is probably very true), is that he is shitting on the very promise he made to the voters of his state to get elected in the first place. Not only is he shitting on the Democratic Party, but he's shitting on his constituents.

[scottinnj]

I disagree. He has said from the get go that he was going to stay in Iraq until the job was done. He is basically like McCain, betting on the surge to work.
He never lied to Conneticut people. This is what he was about while running against Ned Lamont from day one.

[Midkiff]

Pro-Iraq? I dislike him even more.











(Before anybody says anything, I did already know that)

[pennington]

If the Democrats had backed him they would have some control over him. Most of the votes he got came from Republicans. The only politicans who endorced him were Republican mayors. I guess you can say he is representing his constituancy.

Look, even without Lieberman, I doubt a bill with a withdrawl date would have passed. They tried to over-ride the veto but they didn't come close, even with the billions and billions dollars of pork. It was either this or strand the toops without supplies and pay.

[A.J.]

I lost all respect for Lieberman in 2000 when he ran for VP with Gore AND ran for reelection to his Senate seat at the same time.

But I still like him better than Chris Dodd.

[pennington]

I lost all respect for Lieberman in 2000 when he ran for VP with Gore AND ran for reelection to his Senate seat at the same time.

But I still like him better than Chris Dodd.

Lloyd Bentsen did the same thing when he ran for Veep with Dukakis. There should be a law, you can't run for 2 mutually exclusive political offices in the same election.

As to Dodd, why is he still running for President? Does he really believe he has a shot? Or is he angling for a cabinet position if Hillary wins? I doubt anyone would be interested in him as a VP nominee.

[A.J.]

Lloyd Bentsen did the same thing when he ran for Veep with Dukakis. There should be a law, you can't run for 2 mutually exclusive political offices in the same election.

As to Dodd, why is he still running for President? Does he really believe he has a shot? Or is he angling for a cabinet position if Hillary wins? I doubt anyone would be interested in him as a VP nominee.

Texas has the "LBJ law" where Bentsen could do that. Apparently Connecticut does too. I had hoped that Lieberman would have taken a cue from Bob Dole in 1996 and done the classy thing and resigned his seat before his campaign.

I have no idea why Dodd is running. In 25+ years in the Senate he's done nothing to distinguish himself. The man has never chaired or been a Ranking Member of one of the major committees.

[Bob Impact]

Texas has the "LBJ law" where Bentsen could do that. Apparently Connecticut does too. I had hoped that Lieberman would have taken a cue from Bob Dole in 1996 and done the classy thing and resigned his seat before his campaign.

I have no idea why Dodd is running. In 25+ years in the Senate he's done nothing to distinguish himself. The man has never chaired or been a Ranking Member of one of the major committees.

Christopher who?

[A.J.]

Christopher who?

Not "Christophah".

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/img/episode/season03/ep30_christopher_adriana.jpg

[Bob Impact]

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/columbus/older-columbus.gif
?

[SatCam]

I want it clear that I blame Lieberman

I voted for Kudos

[FezPaul]

It's spelled "throne" you twit.

[epo]

It's spelled "throne" you twit.

I apologize. I misspelled the word.

My point is still the same & I stand by it.

[FezPaul]

My point is still the same & I stand by it.

Me too. :tongue:

[epo]

My favorite asshat went to Iraq today and the first question the soldiers asked him was:

"When are we going to get out of here?" In my mind, that question speaks for itself.

Link to story here. (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17300884.htm)

[epo]

My favorite whipping boy/asshole, Joesph Fucking Isadore Lieberman is back at it today. This prick is now talking about air strikes on Iran. (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Iran.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

God I hate this fucker.

[A.J.]

My favorite whipping boy/asshole, Joesph Fucking Isadore Lieberman is back at it today. This prick is now talking about air strikes on Iran. (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Iran.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

God I hate this fucker.

Why doesn't he ask his best pal Israel to do it?

[Yerdaddy]

Tell him what you think of his brilliant strategies. (http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue)

[drjoek]

I lost all respect for Lieberman in 2000 when he ran for VP with Gore AND ran for reelection to his Senate seat at the same time.

But I still like him better than Chris Dodd.

Thats the politicians we have here in the great state of Connecticut. One is a disingenous personality deprived jerk and the other is a drunk skirt chaser

[A.J.]

Thats the politicians we have here in the great state of Connecticut. One is a disingenous personality deprived jerk and the other is a drunk skirt chaser

That's why I don't miss CT: or my former Rep., the lovely Rosa DeLauro.

[epo]

Apparently Mr. Lieberman has a few mob connections. Hmm....I only wish the feds would go after Joe for this one...but they won't. Link to story here (http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hc-lieberman1028.artoct28,0,5750220.story).

[topless_mike]

of course the feds are going to investigate him.
he abandoned the democrat party and is leaning more toward the right side (meaning opposite of left, not so much as correct, although...)

since he is "pro-iraq" and the dems want out of iraq, they are going to look at every thing he's done, and every stall he's shit in to find something to drag him down.

dirty politics, but as i always say- you dont become that powerful (left and right side) without scratching some backs. everyone of those lawmakers has dirt, its only a matter of time before its dug up.

not for anything, but if he stayed wearing his "blue" jacket, this would have never come to light.

[epo]

of course the feds are going to investigate him.
he abandoned the democrat party and is leaning more toward the right side (meaning opposite of left, not so much as correct, although...)

since he is "pro-iraq" and the dems want out of iraq, they are going to look at every thing he's done, and every stall he's shit in to find something to drag him down.

dirty politics, but as i always say- you dont become that powerful (left and right side) without scratching some backs. everyone of those lawmakers has dirt, its only a matter of time before its dug up.

not for anything, but if he stayed wearing his "blue" jacket, this would have never come to light.

That would be true if the Attorney General reported to a Democrat. But alas, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Yerdaddy]

of course the feds are going to investigate him.
he abandoned the democrat party and is leaning more toward the right side (meaning opposite of left, not so much as correct, although...)

since he is "pro-iraq" and the dems want out of iraq, they are going to look at every thing he's done, and every stall he's shit in to find something to drag him down.

dirty politics, but as i always say- you dont become that powerful (left and right side) without scratching some backs. everyone of those lawmakers has dirt, its only a matter of time before its dug up.

not for anything, but if he stayed wearing his "blue" jacket, this would have never come to light.

That's it. You've uncovered one too many truths and I'm sending the black helicopters to your house to scramble your brain waves. If you don't have your foil hat on by the time they get there you'll be taking your secret coded orders from Dan Rather by this time tomorrow. And you'll be gay.

[topless_mike]

That's it. You've uncovered one too many truths and I'm sending the black helicopters to your house to scramble your brain waves. If you don't have your foil hat on by the time they get there you'll be taking your secret coded orders from Dan Rather by this time tomorrow.

my brainwaves are already scrambled by sitting 3 feet away from this 22" monitor and staring at rfnet everyday. there may not be much left.

And you'll be gay.

build 4 bridges, and you are not a bridge builder yet.
a half dozen incidents in college, and your labeled for life.

sheesh

[epo]

Christ, I wonder if this prick is even a democrat:

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[jonyrotn]

To Look At It From Lieberman's Point Of View, It May Be "Payback" Time. He Probably Thinks That He Got Stabbed-In-The-Back By The His Own Party And Does Not Owe Them Anything. He's Not Only Getting His Way, He's Getting Revenge.
Fat Sunny calls "VANDETTA"..I say we wack this prick..Let's go to the mattresses...
It's spelled "throne" you twit.
I have the sneaking suspicion that EPO's hands are for punching not typing..He thinks like a responsible American, so let's cut him a little slack Mr. Webster..

[keithy_19]

Maybe if EPO didn't get all angry Mr. Lieberman wouldn't be doing what he's doing.

:smoke:

[scottinnj]

Why do you do this to yourself epo? Why?

[NewYorkDragons80]

Apparently Mr. Lieberman has a few mob connections. Hmm....I only wish the feds would go after Joe for this one...but they won't. Link to story here (http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hc-lieberman1028.artoct28,0,5750220.story).
Find me a pol with pro-labor relations who doesn't have mob ties. To single out April of 2008 as the day Lieberman sold out the Dems is a little late to the party. He ran in a party that has a dozen members. He's his own guy, he ran as a pro-war guy, and he said it all along.

But I will say that epo's mod quote is fuckin boss

[Gvac]

I sincerely hope epo had a blast this evening watching his Brewers kick the piss out of the pathetic Giants, and that he didn't think about politics once.

That boy is gonna give himself an ulcer!

[high fly]

Lieberman is more of a Democrat than Zell Miller.............

[epo]

So let me get this right. McCain claims that Hamas is gonna vote for Obama...because he is somehow evil. Obama responds with:

“This is offensive, and I think it’s disappointing, because John McCain always says, ‘Well, I’m not going to run that kind of politics. And then to engage in that kind of smear, I think, is unfortunate, particularly since my policy toward Hamas has been no different than his.

For him to toss out comments like that, I think, is an example of him losing his bearings as he pursues this nomination. We don’t need name-calling in this debate.”

So who steps up to his defense, but Trader Joe....uggh:

‘I just want to report that this morning I personally checked John McCain’s bearings. He has not lost any of them. They are all in really great shape.”

Link here. (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/09/lieberman-i-personally-checked-john-mccains-bearings/)

I can't believe we put this prick on the ticket in 2000.

[Friday]

So who steps up to his defense, but Trader Joe....uggh:



Trader Joe makes pretty good wine for $3 a bottle.

just sayin.

[epo]

From today's subcription-only Roll Call:

In a move that could further imperil his already weakened status in the Democratic Caucus and fuel talk about his split loyalties, Sen. Joe Lieberman (ID-Conn.) Wednesday took center stage in the GOP’s mounting attacks on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.).

Lieberman participated in a media conference call Wednesday morning organized by House Minority Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) criticizing Obama’s stance on the Middle East.

Lieberman’s criticisms came in response to Obama’s speech before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which was his first major address after claiming his party’s nomination late Tuesday night.

So that shouldn't be shocking....but this might surprise you:

During a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.

I love it...Obama has a little bite to him....

While Lieberman Wednesday declined to say whether he would continue acting as a surrogate for McCain in attacking Obama, he stated that he would not put his work in Congress in jeopardy by participating in the McCain campaign.

"Obviously I support Sen. McCain ... but I can only do so much as long as it doesn't interfere with what I'm doing here," Lieberman said.

When asked whether his activities should bring his role as chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee into question, Lieberman said he would leave that decision up to the Democratic Caucus. "That's up to my colleagues," he said.

And in the end...big bad Joe Lieberman backs down. He wants his chairman via the Democratic caucus & he hearts McCain. Sorry assface...you can't have both.

[scottinnj]

why not? isn't that what bipartisanship is? won't he disagree with mccain on domestic issues, like healthcare and taxes?
all due respect epo, i think on this you are being a bit hard on lieberman. i'm sure lieberman has (and will) suport obama where the two agree on things. i wish more politicians were brave enough to buck the "party line" when their conscience differed from the demands of the party leaders. maybe we would not be in iraq right now. yes, my defense of lieberman means i must criticize conservatives who may have been skeptical of the need to invade iraq, but voted to allow the president to invade anyway. then lieberman's support for mccain's goals in iraq would be moot, for we wouldn't be there in the first damn place.
why do you think i left the gop? i was so sick of watching the party become the new party of big government, deficit spending, irresponsible use/care of the military.
should i have just toed the party line, as you think lieberman should? have i become a traitor, because i say "no" to the gop when they send out the talking points i'm supposed to point to when debating my friends in the office?

[Ritalin]

No, Scott, I think there should be - and will be - room for people to disagree in the Democratic party. Lieberman has been a consistent supporter of the war and there's no reason for him to abandon his principles in order to stay in the party.

But he can't go out there and try to make the presumptive nominee look like a clown. He can disagree with Obama about the war without trashing him, and without supporting McCain. That's just how very senior Senators are expected to behave, and if he wants to wander off the reservation to make a name for himself then he should expect the leader of the party - and that's Obama right now - to let him know where he stands. Lieberman will find himself pretty useless if he gets kicked over to the other side of the aisle, stripped of his senority and sitting with the minority party.

I'm encouraged to see Obama take the reins, and I've had a feeling that he was going to be this kind of guy. You don't come out of Chicago politics without a finely tuned sense of who has the clout and how to use it. I'm so sick of watching the Clinton's jerk his chain, and I think he's played the whole thing very cool, and in the end he's going to let them make themselves look like fools - I think her speech on Tuesday was a good example of that - but it's heartening to see him start to bring down the hammer.

[scottinnj]

Those are some good points Ritalin. Thanks for the response.

[epo]

Lieberman has been running a smear campaign against Obama for quite some time. Check out this exchange with the Fox Radio Brian & Judge Radio show: (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/14/lieberman-its-a-good-question-to-ask-if-obama-is-a-marxist/)

NAPOLITANO: Hey Sen. Lieberman, you know Barack Obama, is he a Marxist as Bill Kristol says might be the case in today’s New York Times? Is he an elitist like your colleague Hillary Clinton says he is?

LIEBERMAN: Well, you know, I must say that’s a good question. I know him now for a little more than three years since he came into the Senate and he’s obviously very smart and he’s a good guy. I will tell ya that during this campaign, I’ve learned some things about him, about the kind of environment from which he came ideologically. And I wouldn’t…I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.

This happened in April. Lieberman has been out of control for some time now and I would like to know why it took Obama himself to confront him? Where has Harry Reid been on this issue?

[A.J.]

Where has Harry Reid been on this issue?

Because Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have as much control as a substitute teacher.

[epo]

My irrational hate of Joesph Isadore Lieberman continues:

Lieberman: 'I won't run with McCain' (http://www.connpost.com/localnews/ci_9878178)

Dammit. Honestly, I wanted the warmed over death that you are on the ticket. But here is the doozy to me:

"That's yet to be decided. I would if asked," Lieberman said of the possibility of speaking to the GOP convention. "But I would not attack Barack Obama. I would explain why I'm supporting McCain."

Really? Why change your standard operations now, ya prick?

[epo]

My white hate of Lieberman is out of control this morning.

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Seriously? 8 years after being the Democratic nominee for vice fucking president, you are going to speak at the RNC Convention to make the party look like shit? Fuck you, you self-serving prick.

[A.J.]

I miss Lowell Weicker.

[epo]

Financial Times is reporting that Senator Joseph Isadore Lieberman is on McCain's VP short list (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4af34942-65a1-11dd-a352-0000779fd18c,dwp_uuid=729ab242-9cb1-11db-8ec6-0000779e2340,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F4af34942-65a1-11dd-a352-0000779fd18c%2Cdwp_uuid%3D729ab242-9cb1-11db-8ec6-0000779e2340.html%3Fnclick_check%3D1&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2F&nclick_check=1).

Please McCain, pick Joe!

[Zorro]

My white hate of Lieberman is out of control this morning.

Seriously? 8 years after being the Democratic nominee for vice fucking president, you are going to speak at the RNC Convention to make the party look like shit? Fuck you, you self-serving prick.

Because that party you tried to take to the White House turned on you and wanted you thrown out of office.

[epo]

Because that party you tried to take to the White House turned on you and wanted you thrown out of office.

Or the party that propped you up you turned on. When you lost a primary against an unknown, and went against your "public thoughts" and ran as an independent. Then you promised your Connecticut constituents that you would caucus as, and essentially be a democrat while being nothing of the sort.

Which explains why the polling agency Research 2000 has the data about a hypothetical election of Lieberman vs. Lamont (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/03724/55127/779/491459):

Lamont 51
Lieberman 37

Connecticut voters also realize their error.

Lieberman is a disgrace upon our nation for the lies he told the voters of Connecticut.

[A.J.]

Or the party that propped you up you turned on. When you lost a primary against an unknown, and went against your "public thoughts" and ran as an independent. Then you promised your Connecticut constituents that you would caucus as, and essentially be a democrat while being nothing of the sort.

Which explains why the polling agency Research 2000 has the data about a hypothetical election of Lieberman vs. Lamont (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/03724/55127/779/491459):

Lamont 51
Lieberman 37

Connecticut voters also realize their error.

Lieberman is a disgrace upon our nation for the lies he told the voters of Connecticut.

As a Connecticut native, I'll believe that when I see it.

He's got a lot of support because he makes sure CT's defense industries are protected (unions and military voters in Groton/New London) and he'll get CT's Democratic Jewish bloc with his support of Israel. Plus the reason he won the seat in 1988 is because he attracts Republican voters as well -- kind of a balance to Dodd.

[badmonkey]

So wait... the Democratic party threw him out for Lamont. He then runs against Lamont and the people of Connecticut say "We want Lieberman!". The people of Connecticut picked their representative, not the anti-war leftists in the Democratic party. Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding how that sucks.

You'd think that with all this talk about thinking for yourself and not towing the party line I keep hearing lately, Democrats would be down with Lieberman for thinking for himself. Or did you guys pick him for VP in 2000 to balance out the wacko leanings of Al Gore?

Think for yourself! Vote Democrat 2008!

[epo]

It's like Joe can smell the VP job already. From the New York Times (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/lieberman-obama-has-not-always-put-country-first/):

“In my opinion, the choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said. “Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. Between one candidate who’s a talker, and the other candidate who’s the leader America needs as our next president.”

Fuck you Joe. I pray McCain picks you so we can savage your dumb ass.

[badmonkey]

Something change about Joe since 2000 other than maybe no longer towing the party line? Is this election about towing the party line or change?

[epo]

Something change about Joe since 2000 other than maybe no longer towing the party line? Is this election about towing the party line or change?

A. I hated Lieberman in 2000 and thought he was an awful selection then & I hate his dumb ass now.

B. This is a man that made a promise to Connecticut voters to caucus with and act like a democrat in 2006.

C. In 2007 he had the Senate officially change his affiliation from "Democrat" to "Independent Democrat". Since then he's been riding the middle trying to get the benefits of being friends of both sides.

D. He's also been hedging his bets with McCain. The prick has donated approximately $200K to Democratic Senate Election Funds trying to keep them happy in case McCain loses.

This prick isn't about change or "new ideas" or "free thinking". This prick is in Washington to serve the best interest of Joseph Isadore Lieberman. I hope the new Senate strips his ass of his precious Homeland Security Chairmanship and they leave his self-serving ass in the cold.

[A.J.]

This prick isn't about change or "new ideas" or "free thinking". This prick is in Washington to serve the best interest of Joseph Isadore Lieberman. I hope the new Senate strips his ass of his precious Homeland Security Chairmanship and they leave his self-serving ass in the cold.

I've hated him since he tried to paint himself as "the conscience of the Senate".

But the last straw for me was when he ran for reelection to the Senate AND ran for VP with Gore just so he could be sure he had a job one way or another. Say what you will about Bob Dole but he'll always have my respect for resigning his Senate seat to run for national office. Lieberman only cares about himself being in power.

Of course, the dullards in CT didn't seem to care.

[epo]

A little tidbit from Nancy Pelosi today on Trader Joe: (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/08/13/MNRL12AEMM.DTL)

"You're right," Pelosi said. "Joe Lieberman has said things that are totally irresponsible when it comes to Barack Obama. Here we have a leader for the future, really a great leader for the future and one that comes along only every now and then, and they know it so they have to undermine him. And one of their best weapons, of course, is someone who is considered by some to be a Democrat."

Pelosi bluntly explained that Senate Democrats are leery of challenging Lieberman because his vote is crucial to maintaining the Democrats' 51-49 majority in the Senate. But she warned that Lieberman's top spot on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee could be in jeopardy next year if the Democrats gain seats in the Senate in November.

"The Democrats in the Senate are in a tough spot. They have 51 votes. Joe Lieberman organizes with them," she said. "In 85 days or something, they will have five more Democrats they won't need him to make the majority. And it will be interesting to see what the leadership in the Senate, the Democratic leadership in the Senate, does at that point in terms of Joe Lieberman's chairmanship of his committee."

Umm....kiss that chairmanship goodbye Joe. They've noticed your bullshit.

[badmonkey]

A little tidbit from Nancy Pelosi today on Trader Joe: (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/08/13/MNRL12AEMM.DTL)



Umm....kiss that chairmanship goodbye Joe. They've noticed your bullshit.

http://www.ratsnest.com/pictures/albums/Ice-T%20-%20Iceberg,%20The%20-%20Freedom%20Of%20Speech...%20Just%20Watch%20What% 20You%20Say.jpg
Who knew Pelosi was an Ice-T fan?

[epo]

Senator Joe Lieberman wrote an op-ed today in support of Republican Senator Norm Coleman of Minnesota today who is seeking re-election.

I can't wait until Harry Reid gets to throw this fuck-stick out of the caucus.

Edit: Try this better new link! (http://www.twincities.com/opinion/ci_10696563)

Edit 2: That doesn't appear to be working either. Try this article to the Hill referencing it. (http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/lieberman-going-to-bat-for-coleman-2008-10-14.html)

[IMSlacker]

Great. Hopefully his "joementum" will help Coleman as much as it's helped McCain. What an asshole.

[scottinnj]

Senator Joe Lieberman wrote an op-ed today in support of Republican Senator Norm Coleman of Minnesota today who is seeking re-election. Link to op-ed today. (http://www.twincities.com/opinion/ci_10696563?nclick_check=1)

I can't wait until Harry Reid gets to throw this fuck-stick out of the caucus.


Linky Linkerton is broke. Got a cache?

[epo]

Lieberman Says He Keeps Campaign Comments Within Bounds (http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-lieberman1025.artoct25,0,5064934.story)

Lieberman, a self-proclaimed "independent Democrat" who was chosen by McCain to make the case against Obama at the Republican National Convention in early September, said his comments have been within bounds.

"When I go out, I say, 'I have a lot of respect for Sen. Obama. He's bright. He's eloquent.'"

Self-preservation much Joe? You couldn't be a bigger self-serving douche.

[A.J.]

Lieberman Says He Keeps Campaign Comments Within Bounds (http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-lieberman1025.artoct25,0,5064934.story)



Self-preservation much Joe? You couldn't be a bigger self-serving douche.

I've been saying that for 20 years now, and yet he'll get re-relected. Thanks Connecticut!

[epo]

Lieberman to likely lose chairmanship: (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen.-lieberman-likely-to-lose-his-gavel--in-massive-reshuffle-being-discussed-2008-10-28.html)

Democratic leaders are discussing a major reshuffling of Senate committee chairmanships, according to multiple sources, and the proposed changes include ousting Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) from his coveted chairmanship.

Lieberman, a former Democrat who supports Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for president, is likely to lose his gavel on the Homeland Security Committee he has chaired since January 2007, say the sources who see him being replaced by Sen. Daniel Akaka (Hawaii), the committee’s third-ranking Democrat.

It couldn't happen to a bigger douche. Hahaha.

[IMSlacker]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s25/IMSlacker/politico-losers.jpg

[ChimneyFish]

Someone brought it up, and had McCain picked ol' Lieby instead of Ms. Reigious Nutjob 2008, I may have voted for that ticket.
Besides his whole "videogames are the bane of society" horseshit, I don't mind the guy.

[epo]

Reid and Lieberman have 45 minute meeting, no decisions made (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/06/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4579302.shtml)

A statement out from Reid offers no more clarity, though it does take a tough line. “Today Sen. Lieberman and I had the first of what I expect to be several conversations. No decisions have been made. While I understand that Sen. Lieberman has voted with Democrats a majority of the time, his comments and actions have raised serious concerns among many in our Caucus. I expect there to be additional discussions in the days to come, and Sen. Lieberman and I will speak to our Caucus in two weeks to discuss further steps.”

Umm...Joe, how does it feel to not be needed anymore? Selfish prick.

[A.J.]

Umm...Joe, how does it feel to not be needed anymore? Selfish prick.

If he loses his chairmanships, I see him running for Governor of CT.

[Dude!]

Lieberman, a self-proclaimed "independent Democrat" who was chosen by McCain to make the case against Obama at the Republican National Convention in early September, said his comments have been within bounds.

"When I go out, I say, 'I have a lot of respect for Sen. Obama. He's bright. He's eloquent.'"

He is also very clean...for a black man that is

oh wait...that was vp elect biden

[west milly Tom]

Reid and Lieberman have 45 minute meeting, no decisions made (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/06/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4579302.shtml)



Umm...Joe, how does it feel to not be needed anymore? Selfish prick.



Didn't the democrats run on a change political back-biting platform? Something about reaching across the isle, great first move.

[epo]

Didn't the democrats run on a change political back-biting platform? Something about reaching across the isle, great first move.

Umm...nice try.

Senator Lieberman publicly embarrassed the Democratic Party for his own political gain. Those types of actions do have consequences.

[Syd]

Didn't the democrats run on a change political back-biting platform? Something about reaching across the isle, great first move.

They are reaching across the aisle to Republicans. The problem is, Lieberman has been sitting in the middle of the aisle shaking hands with both sides and he's kind of getting in the way for Republicans and Democrats alike.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Someone brought it up, and had McCain picked ol' Lieby instead of Ms. Reigious Nutjob 2008, I may have voted for that ticket.
Besides his whole "videogames are the bane of society" horseshit, I don't mind the guy.

As much as I was proven wrong on the Palin pick, I don't know how much she hurt. If there was a McCain/Lieberman ticket, we would've seen a big push on experience which was working. I think Obama would've pushed back with accusations that the inexperience charges are veiled racism, and that may or may not have stuck. Palin also brought people to the fold who were probably staying home, as well as a good amount of donation funds. Would Lieberman's role on the Senate Small Business and Entrepeneurship Committee would probably have been a help to the ticket during the economic crisis, and he would've brought out the Jewish vote in Florida, Minnesotta, and maybe even New York. Obviously it would've taken the party in the right direction, but could he have held the base? The base's support in that situation really depended on racism at that point, IMO.

[west milly Tom]

Umm...nice try.

Senator Lieberman publicly embarrassed the Democratic Party for his own political gain. Those types of actions do have consequences.


Consequences=vindictive liberal bullshit Rom style.

[epo]

Consequences=vindictive liberal bullshit Rom style.

I assume you are referring to Rahm Emanuel?

Emanuel is/was in the House of Representatives. Senator Lieberman is being punished in the Senate by Senator Harry Reid. Lieberman knew there would be consequences to his actions and there will be.

If they strip him of his chairmanships and allow him to keep his seniority, consider that to be a good outcome for the man.

[Syd]

Consequences=vindictive liberal bullshit Rom style.

You know Emanuel was picked because he could keep the party in line, right? Step back from the Fox News spin and realize he is a guy who can keep the Democrats in order.

[epo]

Lieberman finds move "unacceptable". (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015575.php)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), according to multiple reports and sources, has no intention of allowing Lieberman to stay on as chairman of Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. A Lieberman aide told the Politico that "essentially what transpired is that Senator Reid talked about taking away his position perhaps for another position and Sen. Lieberman indicated that was unacceptable."

Well, if you don't like the move Joe....caucus with the republicans. They did hold the convention that YOU attended:

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has reached out to Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) about the prospect of joining the Republican conference, but Lieberman is still bargaining with Democratic leaders to keep his chairmanship, according to Senate aides in both parties.

"Senator Lieberman's preference is to stay in the caucus, but he's going to keep all his options open," a Lieberman aide said. "McConnell has reached out to him and at this stage his position is he wants to remain in the caucus but losing the chairmanship is unacceptable."

A Republican Senate aide said Friday morning that there was little McConnell could offer in terms of high ranking committee slots, which is why Lieberman is resisting overtures from the Republican side.


Hahahahaha. Listen Joe you made your bed, now you need to lie in the shit. And in 2012, the good voters of Connecticut will surely send your ass home.

[brettmojo]

As much as I was proven wrong on the Palin pick, I don't know how much she hurt.
Have you been under a rock for 3 days?

[EliSnow]

Lieberman finds move "unacceptable". (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015575.php)



Well, if you don't like the move Joe....caucus with the republicans. They did hold the convention that YOU attended:



Hahahahaha. Listen Joe you made your bed, now you need to lie in the shit. And in 2012, the good voters of Connecticut will surely send your ass home.

Yeah, you can say something is unacceptable if there is something you can do about it. In this case, it's really out of his control.

Of course, Lieberman must really be hoping that the remaining unresolved Senate seats go to the Dems. Then, he may have some leverage.

[west milly Tom]

Lieberman finds move "unacceptable". (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015575.php)



Well, if you don't like the move Joe....caucus with the republicans. They did hold the convention that YOU attended:



Hahahahaha. Listen Joe you made your bed, now you need to lie in the shit. And in 2012, the good voters of Connecticut will surely send your ass home.

You can't be this silly. The democrats ditched him once already, and he was elected as an independant.

[EliSnow]

You can't be this silly. The democrats ditched him once already, and he was elected as an independant.

What's your point? He lost the democrat nomination fair and square. The CT dems voted for another nominee. Yes he still ran -- choosing himself over his party.

But he got lucky cause the dems needed him for the caucus so they let him chair a committee. The he endorses McCain and goes to the Republican Convention? Why would they let him keep his chair rather than give it to someone who stuck by the party?

[west milly Tom]

You know Emanuel was picked because he could keep the party in line, right? Step back from the Fox News spin and realize he is a guy who can keep the Democrats in order.


I only watch MSNBC.

[KnoxHarrington]

This is going to be one of the fun stories on the political scene for the next couple of years: Joseph Lieberman is desperately trying to save his political career, and he's started with a little bit of ass kissing (http://www.thestate.com/166/story/601927.html?RSS=untracked) for our new President-elect:

"Everything that President-elect Obama has done since election night has been just about perfect, both in terms of a tone and also in terms of the strength of the names that have either been announced or are being discussed to fill his administration," Lieberman said during a visit to Hartford.

But wait, let's review what this douche (http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=1738) said about Obama during the campaign:

LIEBERMAN: Well, I think that - let me say generally that Sen. Obama doesn't come to this debate with a lot of credibility. Basically on the question of Iraq, John McCain has had the guts to stand out on his own arguing for what he thought was right. And it turned out that he was right about the surge working to improve conditions in Iraq.

If we did what Sen. Obama wanted us to do last year, Al-Qaeda in Iran would be in control of Iraq today. The whole Middle East would be in turmoil and American security and credibility would be jeopardized.

And on the economy (http://thedartmouth.com/2008/10/24/news/lieberman/):

Lieberman compared Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama’s economic plan to former president Herbert Hoover’s approach, which he said “turned a recession into a depression.” Lieberman claimed that Obama would take a protectionist policy towards trade and raise capital gains taxes. Obama’s plan would hurt stocks and retirement plans even more, he said.

But he's a great President now, Joe? Go fuck yourself. He played this game to try to weasel his way into the McCain administration because he concluded Obama could not win, and now he's hoping all is forgiven.

My hope is that Obama is publicly gracious to him -- and then does all he can to help bounce this scumbag out of the Senate in 2010.

[Zorro]

This is going to be one of the fun stories on the political scene for the next couple of years: Joseph Lieberman is desperately trying to save his political career, and he's started with a little bit of ass kissing (http://www.thestate.com/166/story/601927.html?RSS=untracked) for our new President-elect:



But wait, let's review what this douche (http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=1738) said about Obama during the campaign:



And on the economy (http://thedartmouth.com/2008/10/24/news/lieberman/):



But he's a great President now, Joe? Go fuck yourself. He played this game to try to weasel his way into the McCain administration because he concluded Obama could not win, and now he's hoping all is forgiven.

My hope is that Obama is publicly gracious to him -- and then does all he can to help bounce this scumbag out of the Senate in 2010.

Lieberman was the VP candidate, yet his own party worked against him in his re-relection bid. I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.

[Tallman388]

My hope is that Obama is publicly gracious to him -- and then does all he can to help bounce this scumbag out of the Senate in 2010.

They already tried this, it failed miserably. But he's an ass kisser for agreeing with Obama?
I don't think he was trying to weasel his way into any administration. It's stupid that when somebody can agree with issues on both sides of the aisle, he then gets labeled traitorous by his own party. It's what's good for America, not what's good for the party. If the Democrats hadn't tried to fuck with him in his last election, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this.

[MagillaGorillaz]

The democratic party is also fucking him over this term. From what I saw in the news he's head of some comitte and they were going to take him off of it for supporting McCain. Politics suck.

[topless_mike]

so lets see
a flip-flopper and an appeaser.


yep. he's still a democrat. i was getting nervous for a second that he might actually be an independent.

[epo]

I think we know where I stand on this man. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60347)

[Zorro]

I think we know where I stand on this man. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60347)

Well let's at least admit that this new Barack Obama economic team is a bunch of centrist, free-traders. He appointed people Lieberman would appoint...guess the guy has a right to agree.

[epo]

Lieberman was the VP candidate, yet his own party worked against him in his re-relection bid. I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.

The democratic party is also fucking him over this term. From what I saw in the news he's head of some comitte and they were going to take him off of it for supporting McCain. Politics suck.

First of all, let's get our history right with Joe. Joe lost his party primary in Connecticut. He then ran as a "independent democrat" in Connecticut promising the voters of Connecticut that he would caucus and act like a democratic senator.

As a member of the caucus, he then abandoned the party and the nominee of the party (a man whom he mentored) for the opposition party.

Do we now understand why progressives hate this asshat?

Well let's at least admit that this new Barack Obama economic team is a bunch of centrist, free-traders. He appointed people Lieberman would appoint...guess the guy has a right to agree.

Obama will be appointing centrist economic people, but honestly why is this a surprise? Unless people believed the horseshit "socialist" crap during the election rather than learn anything about Senator Obama's platform, it was very obvious that he is an economic centrist.

[patsopinion]

My hope is that Obama is publicly gracious to him -- and then does all he can to help bounce this scumbag out of the Senate in 2010.

slap my bitch up?

[scottinnj]

I think we know where I stand on this man. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60347)

And I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long. I figured it'd be merged by now.

[epo]

And I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long. I figured it'd be merged by now.

You can't count on these mods for anything. Since they crushed Gvac's Mod Term Limits idea they've gotten lazy.

[scottinnj]

You can't count on these mods for anything. Since they crushed Gvac's Mod Term Limits idea they've gotten lazy.

I say we form a referendum. If only we could get a Fezzie endorsement to seal the deal.

[A.J.]

And I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long. I figured it'd be merged by now.

Forgive me for being 8 hours ahead.

[epo]

Lieberman has lowest approval numbers ever (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/12/17/lieberman-faces-lowest-approval-numbers-ever/)

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) may be facing his lowest approval ratings ever, according to a new Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday.

54 percent of Connecticut voters said they disapproved of the way Lieberman is handling his job, while 38 percent said they approved. The numbers are the lowest approval ratings Lieberman has faced since the poll started tracking his popularity.

"This is the highest disapproval rating in any Quinnipiac University poll in any state for a sitting U.S. senator–except for New Jersey's Robert Torricelli, just before he resigned in 2002," said Quinnipiac University Poll Director Douglas Schwartz.

Forty-two percent of those surveyed said Lieberman's support for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) during the presidential election made them think less favorably of him; 43 percent of voters said it made no difference. 30 percent of those who supported Lieberman in his 2006 general election said they would now vote for someone other than Lieberman if the election were held again today.

A 50 percent approval rating is considered healthy for incumbent politicians.

So the good people of Connecticut have finally figured this self-serving fuckstick out? That's a shame.

[A.J.]

So the good people of Connecticut have finally figured this self-serving fuckstick out? That's a shame.

He'll get reelected, you'll see!

[epo]

He'll get reelected, you'll see!

Haha....Stranger things have happened in politics!

[SP1!]

Yes like the big internet campaign to get him out the last time around, that worked out well, huh?

[epo]

Lieberman talks about a closed-door meeting: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-issues-first-veto-t_n_157585.html)

President-elect Barack Obama made his first veto threat Tuesday in a closed-door meeting with Senate Democrats. Obama told his former colleagues that if Congress passes a resolution blocking release of the second half of the financial bailout funds he will veto it, said Sen. Joseph Lieberman after leaving the caucus meeting.

Until today, an Obama veto of a so-called disapproval resolution had been discussed as a theoretical possibility. But the promise made to the Democratic caucus represents a firm stand on behalf of an extension of the $350 billion in Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) funds.

Goddamn it Lieberman...what the hell about the words "closed-door" don't you fucking understand? I fucking hate everything about you.

[Dude!]

Lieberman talks about a closed-door meeting: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-issues-first-veto-t_n_157585.html)

Goddamn it Lieberman...what the hell about the words "closed-door" don't you fucking understand? I fucking hate everything about you.

i would have thought you had had your fill of secrecy the last 8 years
i guess not

[epo]

i would have thought you had had your fill of secrecy the last 8 years
i guess not

This isn't "secrecy" about policy, its a closed-door meeting. How fucking hard is to say that "the economic stability of our nation is our #1 priority and needs to be at the forefront of each official in Washington"?

Answer: It's fucking not. Instead he's painted Obama as possibly vetoing shit on his first day. What a fucking jerkoff. Seriously, he's worse than Chuck Shumer with a microphone in front of him.

[Dude!]

This isn't "secrecy" about policy, its a closed-door meeting. How fucking hard is to say that "the economic stability of our nation is our #1 priority and needs to be at the forefront of each official in Washington"?

Answer: It's fucking not. Instead he's painted Obama as possibly vetoing shit on his first day. What a fucking jerkoff. Seriously, he's worse than Chuck Shumer with a microphone in front of him.

must be a jewish thing

[epo]

MSNBC: Lieberman singing a new tune on Obama (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29595011/)
Former McCain ally showers praise on the popular Democratic president

Sen. Joe Lieberman has changed his tune on Barack Obama.

After campaigning across the country for Republican John McCain in 2008 and attacking Obama as naive, untested and unwilling to take on powerful special interests, Lieberman now showers praise on the popular new Democratic president.

"He's shown real leadership," Lieberman told The Associated Press in an interview. "Bottom line: I think Barack Obama, president of the United States, is off to a very good start."

Why would he do such a thing?

The Connecticut independent, who faces re-election in 2012 in a state where Obama is popular, is eager to mend fences with Democrats still fuming over his criticism of Obama during the general election campaign.

I just hate the hell out this guy. Such a damned weasel.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, he is based on a prick of a cartoon character:

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[ToiletCrusher]

Gore would have had it in the bag without that prick.

[SP1!]

MSNBC: Lieberman singing a new tune on Obama (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29595011/)
Former McCain ally showers praise on the popular Democratic president

Why would he do such a thing?

I just hate the hell out this guy. Such a damned weasel.As long as he does his job and the kos/dem underground people try to submarine him again he will get elected, even though you look at him with disdain hes more stand up than quite a few democrats.

Gore would have had it in the bag without that prick.
WHUT?

Gore was hated from the beginning, the biggest mistake the dems made in 2000 was running him, hes a pompous ass.

[ToiletCrusher]

WHUT?

Gore was hated from the beginning, the biggest mistake the dems made in 2000 was running him, hes a pompous ass.

You love to argue, eh? All I can say is that all his predictions about the end of times have come true so far.

[SP1!]

You love to argue, eh? All I can say is that all his predictions about the end of times have come true so far.

Who gores? I dont remember gore ever coming close to having an easy time getting elected, he was so dull that bush beat him, shit there is no way bush should have won that election but since they nominated what was essentially a tree stump then it made it easy for bush to have a chance to win.

[epo]

Gore would have had it in the bag without that prick.

Gore was hated from the beginning, the biggest mistake the dems made in 2000 was running him, hes a pompous ass.

I completely disagree with both of you.

[SP1!]

I completely disagree with both of you.

The hatred was strong with gore, there is no way bush should have won that election, fuck there is no way I was going to vote for him but I didnt vote for gore either. I was positive gore was going to win, it shocked me that it was even that close for him to even lose, his quotes about asking "how people could vote for that man" showed a little of his arrogance.

[epo]

The hatred was strong with gore, there is no way bush should have won that election, fuck there is no way I was going to vote for him but I didnt vote for gore either. I was positive gore was going to win, it shocked me that it was even that close for him to even lose, his quotes about asking "how people could vote for that man" showed a little of his arrogance.

Gore was brutalized by his campaign being run by pinheads and President Clinton getting his dick sucked.

[scottinnj]

Oh epo, why do you allow this man to task you so much? The World Baseball Classic (http://web.worldbaseballclassic.com/index.jsp)is happening-let it go, BASEBALL IS HERE AGAIN!!!

[A.J.]

MSNBC: Lieberman singing a new tune on Obama (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29595011/)
Former McCain ally showers praise on the popular Democratic president



Why would he do such a thing?



I just hate the hell out this guy. Such a damned weasel.

Lieberman concerned about maintaining power? The hell you say!

[epo]

I wish Joe would be more clear:

August 12, 2008: (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/lieberman-obama-has-not-always-put-country-first/)

“In my opinion, the choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said. “Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. Between one candidate who’s a talker, and the other candidate who’s the leader America needs as our next president.”

March 9, 2009: (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jkzn7-yBluqSOGbGs2o2T2Ve1-pQD96QFPA80)

Lieberman said he never meant to suggest that Obama did not put his country first. Lieberman said his words were "too subject" to that interpretation and that he wishes he had spoken more clearly.

Senator Joseph Isadore Lieberman, putting Senator Joseph Isadore Lieberman first!

[A.J.]

I want to give the entire State of Connecticut a punch in the throat for reelecting him.

[SP1!]

I wish Joe would be more clear:

Senator Joseph Isadore Lieberman, putting Senator Joseph Isadore Lieberman first!

You say that like its a shock a politician dares to double speak to maintain their office, have not paid attention to anything I posted the past few months? All of these mothers fucking suck and say anything to win or stay in office.

[beachbum]

The hatred was strong with gore, there is no way bush should have won that election, fuck there is no way I was going to vote for him but I didnt vote for gore either. I was positive gore was going to win, it shocked me that it was even that close for him to even lose, his quotes about asking "how people could vote for that man" showed a little of his arrogance.

1.People being "sure" that Gore was going to win and then not bothering to vote was a reason.
2.Distancing himself from a very popular President,blowjob not withstanding,was another reason.

Most of the time we as a people are faced with the choice of voting for who we believe to be the lesser of two evils.Apathy is not an excuse to not vote.I have a clear conscience over the W. era.I voted AGAINST the prick twice.


BTW,Lieberman is a souless prick like 95% of them.Pork barrel money funneled into the state will most likely get him re elected.

[SP1!]

1.People being "sure" that Gore was going to win and then not bothering to vote was a reason.
2.Distancing himself from a very popular President,blowjob not withstanding,was another reason.

Most of the time we as a people are faced with the choice of voting for who we believe to be the lesser of two evils.Apathy is not an excuse to not vote.I have a clear conscience over the W. era.I voted AGAINST the prick twice.


BTW,Lieberman is a souless prick like 95% of them.Pork barrel money funneled into the state will most likely get him re elected.

Well clinton wasnt that popular with the middle chunk of voters at that time and personally I wasnt going to vote for either one of them, I did vote just not for either one of them. South Park has been right in the past 3 elections, except this year it was just a darker shit sandwich.

[led37zep]

1.People being "sure" that Gore was going to win and then not bothering to vote was a reason.
2.Distancing himself from a very popular President,blowjob not withstanding,was another reason.

Most of the time we as a people are faced with the choice of voting for who we believe to be the lesser of two evils.Apathy is not an excuse to not vote.I have a clear conscience over the W. era.I voted AGAINST the prick twice.


BTW,Lieberman is a souless prick like 95% of them.Pork barrel money funneled into the state will most likely get him re elected.

Well clinton wasnt that popular with the middle chunk of voters at that time and personally I wasnt going to vote for either one of them, I did vote just not for either one of them. South Park has been right in the past 3 elections, except this year it was just a darker shit sandwich.

What year is it? My Calender must be wrong...says 2009.

Move along....nothing to see here but a past we can't change.

[epo]

Lieberman Says He'll Help GOP Filibuster (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/10/27/lieberman_says_hell_help_gop_filibuster.html?utm_s ource=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=political-wire)

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said "that he'd back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's health care reform bill," Politico reports.

"His comments confirmed that Reid is short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill out of the Senate, even after Reid included the opt-out provision. Several other moderate Democrats expressed skepticism at the proposal as well, but most of the wavering Democratic senators did not go as far as Lieberman Tuesday, saying they were waiting to see the details."

Said Lieberman: "I've told Sen. Reid that if the bill stays as it is now I will vote against cloture."

I swear to God...I hate this fuckhead more than any politician who has ever lived on this planet.

[A.J.]

Lieberman Says He'll Help GOP Filibuster (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/10/27/lieberman_says_hell_help_gop_filibuster.html?utm_s ource=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=political-wire)



I swear to God...I hate this fuckhead more than any politician who has ever lived on this planet.

epo, you're a smart guy. Haven't you learned by now that Lieberman will do anything to help Joe Lieberman?

[epo]

epo, you're a smart guy. Haven't you learned by now that Lieberman will do anything to help Joe Lieberman?

I'm fully aware its all about Joe, but this is really more than I can stomach. My checkbook is coming out for 2012 for whoever the Democratic Party runs.

[topless_mike]

Lieberman Says He'll Help GOP Filibuster (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/10/27/lieberman_says_hell_help_gop_filibuster.html?utm_s ource=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=political-wire)



I swear to God...I hate this fuckhead more than any politician who has ever lived on this planet.

well, at least he's not a sheep. he'll go with what he agrees with, not with what he "has to"

[epo]

well, at least he's not a sheep. he'll go with what he agrees with, not with what he "has to"

I don't have a problem with him voting against a health care bill. I have a huge problem with him helping the GOP with their potential filibuster.

[keithy_19]

I don't have a problem with him voting against a health care bill. I have a huge problem with him helping the GOP with their potential filibuster.

If he doesn't want it to pass why stop at just voting no?

[GregoryJoseph]

God bless Senator Lieberman for having the courage to stand up for what he thinks is right.

He's a Jewish Shirley Phelps Roper.

[Kevin]

God bless Senator Lieberman for having the courage to stand up for what he thinks is right.

He's a Jewish Shirley Phelps Roper.



I miss Gvac, he was so much more rational.

[badmonkey]

If he doesn't want it to pass why stop at just voting no?

Because it's not the government, it's a football game. Play for your TEAM Lieberman!!!!

[SouthSideJohnny]

Why would he do such a thing?

Quote: The Connecticut independent, who faces re-election in 2012 in a state where Obama is popular, is eager to mend fences with Democrats still fuming over his criticism of Obama during the general election campaign.

I have a huge problem with him helping the GOP with their potential filibuster.

Which is it? In March, he's kissing Obama's ass to win favor with Democrats. Now he's helping the GOP with the filibuster. How does that help with his 2012 election?

[angrymissy]

well, at least he's not a sheep. he'll go with what he agrees with, not with what he "has to"

He's not going with what he agrees with, he's going for what he thinks will help Joe Lieberman, not what will help the US... that's always been his way.

[JerseySean]

He's not going with what he agrees with, he's going for what he thinks will help Joe Lieberman, not what will help the US... that's always been his way.

How does voing against a public option help Lieberman? in Connecticut? good demagoguery, but wrong

[angrymissy]

How does voing against a public option help Lieberman? in Connecticut? good demagoguery, but wrong

Good reading.

http://www.slate.com/id/2233743/

But what's the most cash-rich constituency in the Nutmeg State? The insurance industry, which is headquartered in Connecticut and employs 64,000 people.


At the moment insurers probably aren't too pleased with Connecticut's other senator, Democrat Chris Dodd, because Dodd is a prominent advocate for the public option. As I've noted previously, Dodd during the past 20 years received $2.3 million in contributions from insurers—more than any member of the House or Senate except John McCain, R-Ariz. During that same period, Dodd collected $774,000 from health insurers, ranking second only to House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. Lieberman, even though he's from Connecticut, has during that same period had to settle for 14th place in both insurance-industry contributions and health-insurance-industry contributions. Blocking the public option might allow Lieberman to displace Dodd as "the senator from Aetna."

Support for this hypothesis may be found in Lieberman's timing in announcing his opposition to the Senate finance bill. It was Oct. 13. That was one day after the insurance lobby released its study dumping on the finance bill. Until then, it seemed likely the insurers would either support the finance bill (which contained no public option and was poised to make them half-a-trillion dollars richer) or keep mum. Lieberman's quick seconding of the insurers' opposition suggests that he will permit no daylight between himself and the insurance lobby.

[pennington]

I swear to God...I hate this fuckhead more than any politician who has ever lived on this planet.

Do you also hate Olympia Snowe for voting for the $800 billion "Stimulus Package" or for voting for the the Health Care bill in committee? Or do you consider her courageous?

[SP1!]

Because it's not the government, it's a football game. Play for your TEAM Lieberman!!!!

Didnt his team try to kick him out of the senate so now hes an independent, so he is in fact playing for his team and as much as epo hates him he is the only senator that actually deserves any respect. He is the only one actually representing his constituents, instead of voting for interests that he has been told to vote for and represent.

What I love is how much both sides seemed to hate him but hes one of the few that has remained consistent on the issues, not someone like barney frank who likes to change his opinion and blame to suit the situation. The number of uninsured is smaller than reported so it does not need to be a national issue like they are making it.

[epo]

He's not going with what he agrees with, he's going for what he thinks will help Joe Lieberman, not what will help the US... that's always been his way.

How does voing against a public option help Lieberman? in Connecticut? good demagoguery, but wrong

I'm actually going to agree with Sean on this one. From a Research 2000 poll done last month in Connecticut:

Do you favor or oppose creating a government-administered health insurance option that anyone can purchase to compete with private insurance plans?

Favor: 68
Oppose: 21
Not Sure: 11

So why would he have reason to do this: (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/13/lieberman-baucus-bill/)

Lieberman's home state of Connecticut is home to many insurance companies, including Aetna. Over his career, Lieberman has accepted $2,395,369 in donations from the health sector and $1,033,402 from the insurance industry.

Its either the cash or he wants his fellow Senators to lick his balls again.

[epo]

Didnt his team try to kick him out of the senate so now hes an independent, so he is in fact playing for his team and as much as epo hates him he is the only senator that actually deserves any respect. He is the only one actually representing his constituents, instead of voting for interests that he has been told to vote for and represent.

What I love is how much both sides seemed to hate him but hes one of the few that has remained consistent on the issues, not someone like barney frank who likes to change his opinion and blame to suit the situation. The number of uninsured is smaller than reported so it does not need to be a national issue like they are making it.

Lieberman is so ridiculously NOT consistent on this issue that its embarrassing. From a debate in 2006 with Ned Lamont:

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Its about Joe, not about the voters.

[epo]

God bless Senator Lieberman for having the courage to stand up for what he thinks is right.

He's a Jewish Shirley Phelps Roper.

Gregory Joseph Lieberman. It all makes sense now.

[HBox]

My hatred of Lieberman isn't centered on his opposition to the public plan. There are a few other Democrats opposed to it and while it pisses me off I at least understand that they come from conservative areas with more opposition to the public plan and they can't dismiss that outright. They can also make a decent argument against it. None of this applies to Lieberman. it's like he wants to play the part of a bipartisan, which is not to say that he is. Someone bipartisan won't have a problem bucking his party when he believes in something different. Lieberman just picks whatever position he perceives to be bipartisan. And all you have to do is listen to him defend any of his positions. He can't defend it all and he certainly never shows any passion. Today's defense is a remarkable example. He says the public plan will cost taxpayers and raise costs. In reality as the plan is written right now it would be forbidden from accessing taxpayer funds. And CBO estimates show that any of these bills right now would hold down costs more with a public plan. He's a senator so he knows this. How Democrats can allow a member of their own party to undermine them with lies is beyond me. Obama stuck his neck out to keep Lieberman's seniority and his repayment is this? Strip his seniority and stick him on the back bench of the shittiest committees you can find. If the Republicans want to take him let them. It obviously won't change anything even slightly.

[Dude!]

My hatred of Lieberman isn't centered on his opposition to the public plan. There are a few other Democrats opposed to it and while it pisses me off I at least understand that they come from conservative areas with more opposition to the public plan and they can't dismiss that outright. They can also make a decent argument against it. None of this applies to Lieberman. it's like he wants to play the part of a bipartisan, which is not to say that he is. Someone bipartisan won't have a problem bucking his party when he believes in something different. Lieberman just picks whatever position he perceives to be bipartisan. And all you have to do is listen to him defend any of his positions. He can't defend it all and he certainly never shows any passion. Today's defense is a remarkable example. He says the public plan will cost taxpayers and raise costs. In reality as the plan is written right now it would be forbidden from accessing taxpayer funds. And CBO estimates show that any of these bills right now would hold down costs more with a public plan. He's a senator so he knows this. How Democrats can allow a member of their own party to undermine them with lies is beyond me. Obama stuck his neck out to keep Lieberman's seniority and his repayment is this? Strip his seniority and stick him on the back bench of the shittiest committees you can find. If the Republicans want to take him let them. It obviously won't change anything even slightly.

you just hate jews

[A.J.]

well, at least he's not a sheep. he'll go with what he agrees with, not with what he "has to"

He's not going with what he agrees with, he's going for what he thinks will help Joe Lieberman, not what will help the US... that's always been his way.

What Missy said.

[IAgreeRonnieB]

Lieberman is so ridiculously NOT consistent on this issue that its embarrassing. From a debate in 2006 with Ned Lamont:

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Its about Joe, not about the voters.

Exactly. It's all about Joe. Kos is chomping at the bit to primary Lieberman into retirement. Reid needs to call the GOP bluff and make them filibuster the health insurance reform bill on the Senate floor.

[KatPw]

Can't they just call for an up or down vote? That way Lieberman doesn't get to have fun at the GOP dance.

[IAgreeRonnieB]

Can't they just call for an up or down vote? That way Lieberman doesn't get to have fun at the GOP dance.

Nope. That's where the filibuster comes in since they can't invoke cloture.

[Dude!]

I want it clear
that I don't blame Lieberman:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/independent-sen-joe-lieberman-hell-back-republicans-2010/story?id=8952240


anyone who comments
negatively on Lieberman...
i also want it clear that they are
anti-semitic and racist

[epo]

I want it clear
that I don't blame Lieberman:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/independent-sen-joe-lieberman-hell-back-republicans-2010/story?id=8952240



I want Lieberman's gavel stripped from him today. Fuck that self-serving douche.

[A.J.]

I want Lieberman's gavel stripped from him today. Fuck that self-serving douche.

Yep, that's my home state that keeps re-electing him and Dodd!

[epo]

Yep, that's my home state that keeps re-electing him and Dodd!

Your state certainly picked a couple of treats.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yep, that's my home state that keeps re-electing him and Dodd!

All over CT there are signs like these. Hopefully he's gone in '10

http://images1.cafepress.com/product/374310641v9_350x350_Front.jpg

[keithy_19]

All over CT there are signs like these. Hopefully he's gone in '10

http://images1.cafepress.com/product/374310641v9_350x350_Front.jpg

Psh. If Obama wants Dodd to stay, Dodd's gonna stay.

[epo]

I can't stand this prick:

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If he isn't stripped of his gavel by the end of the year, its on Harry Reid's head.

[Dude!]

I can't stand this prick:

If he isn't stripped of his gavel by the end of the year, its on Harry Reid's head.

It's just
The Battle for the Heart of the Democratic Party

[IMSlacker]

Lieberman is not a Democrat. He belongs to the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.

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[keithy_19]

Lieberman is not a Democrat. He belongs to the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.


And a damn fine party it is.

[hanso]

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Droopy Dog Liberman and Foghorn Leghorn Thompson
Skip ahead to the three-minute mark.

[mikeyboy]

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Droopy Dog Liberman and Foghorn Leghorn Thompson
Skip ahead to the three-minute mark.

Ha! Fez started doing the Lieberman = Droopy Dog bit as far back as 2003. Parallel writing?

[A.J.]

Lieberman is going to call for Senate investigations into the Fort Hood shootings. (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/09/news/a7-fthood10th.txt)

“If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance,” Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, said on “Fox News Sunday.” “He should have been gone.”

So says the Orthodox Jew.

[Dude!]

Lieberman is going to call for Senate investigations into the Fort Hood shootings. (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/09/news/a7-fthood10th.txt)



So says the Orthodox Jew.

Lieberman is an American hero
he deserves all kinds of
medals of honor and awards

i'm sure even epo is now a fan

[epo]

i'm sure even epo is now a fan

Highly unlikely.

[Jujubees2]

He also said that if the health care bill includes a public option he will not let it make it to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

[TheMojoPin]

Lieberman is going to call for Senate investigations into the Fort Hood shootings. (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/09/news/a7-fthood10th.txt)



So says the Orthodox Jew.

He was so obviously "showing signs" that both the military and the FBI were aware of them months before the shooting.

[A.J.]

He was so obviously "showing signs" that both the military and the FBI were aware of them months before the shooting.

I think we need to reform intelligence sharing -- AGAIN.

[TheMojoPin]

I think we need to reform intelligence sharing -- AGAIN.

If 9/11 itself didn't actually "fix" that, I highly doubt that this will.

[Dude!]

it is just unbelievable
like when the FBI in Minnesota
didn't raise a red flag
when that dude wanted to learn
how to fly a plane, but not how
to land it

WTF is wrong with these people

[epo]

it is just unbelievable
like when the FBI in Minnesota
didn't raise a red flag
when that dude wanted to learn
how to fly a plane, but not how
to land it

WTF is wrong with these people

Lieberman learned how to fly a plane but not how to land it?

OH MY GOD!

[GregoryJoseph]

Thank God there are men like Lieberman who are willing to stand for what they believe and not what the party dictates.

[high fly]

Thank God there are men like Lieberman who are willing to stand for what they believe and not what the party dictates.

Democratic Party House health care bill defectors: 39
Republican Party House health care bill defectors: 1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Democrats throw a shit fit when Lieberman opposes National Healthcare, meanwhile almost everything else he marches in lockstep with the Democrats

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Joseph_Lieberman_Environment.htm

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Joseph_Lieberman_Immigration.htm


Get over it already because he didnt endorse Obama

[Bob Impact]

Democratic Party House health care bill defectors: 39
Republican Party House health care bill defectors: 1

Seems to me like that reflects more on the quality and logic of the bill.

[Syd]

Seems to me like that reflects more on the quality and logic of the bill.

It's posturing -- much of the House is too involved with populist drivel and other demagoguery. Due to the frequent elections, they need something big to show to the rubes.

[high fly]

Originally Posted by high fly
Democratic Party House health care bill defectors: 39
Republican Party House health care bill defectors: 1

Seems to me like that reflects more on the quality and logic of the bill.

I suppose one could say that, but I think it shows more party discipline or lack thereof.
The Democrats have never had the consistent party discpline the Republicans have had in the last 15 or 20 years, at least.
I think that is because the Democratic Party has a lot more factions...

[epo]

Thank God there are men like Lieberman who are willing to stand for what they believe and not what the party dictates.

Gregory Joseph is obviously following a false prophet.

[DiabloSammich]

I want it clear that I'm sick of seeing this thread bumped.


Find a new dog to kick, epo!

[epo]

I want it clear that I'm sick of seeing this thread bumped.


Find a new dog to kick, epo!

Get over here and gimme a hug, you cute thing!

[KatPw]

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[Dude!]

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wow...
way to be anti-semitic
on the first day of hanukkah

tacky

[KatPw]

wow...
way to be anti-semitic
on the first day of hanukkah

tacky

That doesn't start until tomorrow night.

[Dude!]

That doesn't start until tomorrow night.

i am NOT a JEW
so it was good of me
to even be that close

[epo]

i am NOT a JEW
so it was good of me
to even be that close

Racist.

[A.J.]

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That about sums up Lieberman's political career.

[epo]

Lieberman Tells Reid To His Face, He'll Vote Against Current Health Care Bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/lieberman-tells-reid-to-h_n_390416.html)

Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) informed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in a face-to-face meeting on Sunday that he will vote against a health care bill that includes a public option or a provision that would expand Medicare, a Democrat Senate aide tells the Huffington Post.

The two Senators had a discussion in Reid's office shortly after Lieberman appeared on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday morning. The Connecticut Independent discussed with Reid some of his concerns about the legislation, elaborating on issues he had raised during the show. According to the source, who was briefed on the exchange, Lieberman punctuated the discussion by telling the majority leader directly that he would vote against the bill if the Medicare buy-in and public option provisions remained in it.

I'm not shocked that he'll vote against it, however his stance to filibuster is quite the douche move. Of course...this is Lieberman so it shouldn't be a surprise.

[Dude!]

Lieberman Tells Reid To His Face, He'll Vote Against Current Health Care Bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/lieberman-tells-reid-to-h_n_390416.html)



I'm not shocked that he'll vote against it, however his stance to filibuster is quite the douche move. Of course...this is Lieberman so it shouldn't be a surprise.

Lieberman for President!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That should be the least of his worries as it seems to be that Reid will not be Majority Leader come January '11

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lieberman for President!

Oy Vey!!!!

[Syd]

Lieberman Tells Reid To His Face, He'll Vote Against Current Health Care Bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/13/lieberman-tells-reid-to-h_n_390416.html)



I'm not shocked that he'll vote against it, however his stance to filibuster is quite the douche move. Of course...this is Lieberman so it shouldn't be a surprise.

Lieberman is casting a line and seeing what insurance company will fund his re-election since it most likely won't be pretty for him in 2012. He's going to need a great deal of money, hence the excessive grandstanding.

[epo]

That should be the least of his worries as it seems to be that Reid will not be Majority Leader come January '11

Unless you are discussing Senator Reid's personal re-election campaign, you are definitely out of your mind.

While I have no love loss for Reid and he does have a difficult re-election battle in front of him...to think that the Dems won't be in the Senate majority after next falls election is just crazy talk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Unless you are discussing Senator Reid's personal re-election campaign, you are definitely out of your mind.

While I have no love loss for Reid and he does have a difficult re-election battle in front of him...to think that the Dems won't be in the Senate majority after next falls election is just crazy talk.

I was talking about Reids personal re election, The GOP will probably pick up btwn 4-8 seats. Durbin will probably be majority ldr

[epo]

I was talking about Reids personal re election, The GOP will probably pick up btwn 4-8 seats. Durbin will probably be majority ldr

That is literally impossible. There are 37 seats up for re-election. 21 are currently held by Republicans, 16 currently held by Democrats.

By the Cook Report's latest reporting (http://cookpolitical.com/races/senate/ratings.php)....13 are pretty sure to go blue, 15 are pretty sure to go red, with the remaining 9 rated as tossups.

So even if the republicans got all 9 of the tossups, the most they'd gain would be a net +3. That just isn't going to happen. What is far more likely is a move of +/- 1 to 3 for either party depending upon the political/social climate by next fall.

[epo]

September 2009:

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[keithy_19]

Here's a question for ya Epo:

You have a gun with one bullet. Brett Farve and Joe Lieberman are in range. What do you do?

[Pitdoc]

...since I haven't looked at Congessional rules in like 20 years. Why don't the damn Democrats just say "OK ,Lieberman/Republicans, just fuckin FILLIBUSTER . They'd have to be there over the entire Xmas/New Years and probably the next few months.In that time , the Dems could point out that Lieberman's wife is paid by the insurance companies, as well as several major Republicans ( AND democrats) , and THAT is the reason why they don't want health care reform . I'd rather have them lose a shitty compromised bil that does nothing but provide 40 billion dollars to the insurance companies instead of real competition, that will keep prices down.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I really hope Lieberman doesnt allow himself to be pimped out by Reid like Mary Landrieu did. But then again its Lieberman

We don't want any of his payoff money here in CT

[hanso]

Oh droopy dog you've done it again.

[A.J.]

Joe Lieberman: doing whatever it takes to stay in power.

Lieberman won't rule out run as Republican in 2012 (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/15/lieberman.senate/index.html)

[IMSlacker]

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[Ritalin]

An interesting article by Glenn Greenwald on Salon. I'm not going to link. Too lazy. Gist: this is the bill Obama wanted all along.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Olberdouche is going to have one of his special comments tonight, He will probably go apeshit crazy and want to ban Lieberman to Siberia

[epo]

Lieberman: Yemen is 'tomorrow's war' if pre-emptive action not taken (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73651-lieberman-yemen-will-be-tomorrows-war-if-preemptive-action-not-taken)

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) Sunday said that Yemen could be the ground of America's next overseas war if Washington does not take preemptive action to root out al-Qaeda interests there.

Lieberman, who helms the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said on "Fox News Sunday" that the U.S. will have to take an active approach in Yemen after multiple recent terrorist attacks on the U.S. were linked back to the Middle Eastern nation.

The Connecticut senator said that an administration official told him that "Iraq was yesterday's war, Afghanistan is today's war. If we don't act preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow's war."

Can we just declare war on Joe Lieberman for talking out of his ass?

[Syd]

haha, we're already up to our ass in debt and we're getting our panties in a bunch over using money on social programs but getting ready to rack up another $500bn/year debt including a draft is no big deal at all

[Kevin]

Lieberman: Yemen is 'tomorrow's war' if pre-emptive action not taken (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73651-lieberman-yemen-will-be-tomorrows-war-if-preemptive-action-not-taken)



Can we just declare war on Joe Lieberman for talking out of his ass?



2012, i either want Lieberman out, or the end of the world. I will settle for nothing less.

[A.J.]

Lieberman: Yemen is 'tomorrow's war' if pre-emptive action not taken (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73651-lieberman-yemen-will-be-tomorrows-war-if-preemptive-action-not-taken)

Actually, he's partly right in this case. Yemen is a quagmire as it's a poor country with a corrupt and ineffective government that's trying to deal with Huthi rebels and Al-Qa'ida insurgents (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122273913988616.html). Yemen could become the Afghanistan of the Arabian Peninsula.

[Kevin]

Actually, he's partly right in this case. Yemen is a quagmire as it's a poor country with a corrupt and ineffective government that's trying to deal with Huthi rebels and Al-Qa'ida insurgents (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122273913988616.html). Yemen could become the Afghanistan of the Arabian Peninsula.



We need another war on on an Islamic state like a hole in the head. How about putting pressure on an Islamic country to step the fuck up and do something for a change?

[A.J.]

We need another war on on an Islamic state like a whole in the head. How about putting pressure on an Islamic country to step the fuck up and do something for a change?

I agree. But not to be mindful of the situation in Yemen would be foolish. In that regard, I agree with Lieberman. But if he's calling for us to get involved on the ground, fuck that. Our hands are a little full right now.

Actually, the Saudis have been kicking some ass along their border with Yemen.

[underdog]

Can we just declare war on Joe Lieberman for talking out of his ass?

Actually, he's partly right in this case. Yemen is a quagmire as it's a poor country with a corrupt and ineffective government that's trying to deal with Huthi rebels and Al-Qa'ida insurgents (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122273913988616.html). Yemen could become the Afghanistan of the Arabian Peninsula.

Face.

[Kevin]

Face.



To quote Spoon..

Straws my friend, straws.

[A.J.]

Actually, he's partly right in this case. Yemen is a quagmire as it's a poor country with a corrupt and ineffective government that's trying to deal with Huthi rebels and Al-Qa'ida insurgents (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122273913988616.html). Yemen could become the Afghanistan of the Arabian Peninsula.

A good article from today's Washington Post about Al-Qa'ida in Yemen (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/27/AR2009122702022.html?hpid=topnews).

[A.J.]

Good news epo!


It won’t be easy for Lieberman in ’12

The 2012 fortunes of U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, I-Conn, may have just taken a turn for the better with U.S. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd’s decision not to seek re-election and state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal entering the race (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/01/08/news/a1_--_day_after_dodd_0108.txt).

[TjM]

You rebel scum can not stop me

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/joe-lieberman.jpg

[A.J.]

Good news epo!

Or maybe not...

Lieberman's Approval Ratings Tank In Connecticut (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100107/cm_huffpost/414666)

[epo]

Or maybe not...

Lieberman's Approval Ratings Tank In Connecticut (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100107/cm_huffpost/414666)

I would bet he retires and Connecticut has that slate of new senators you've been dreaming of.

[pennington]

Or maybe not...

Lieberman's Approval Ratings Tank In Connecticut (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100107/cm_huffpost/414666)

He's not up for reelection until 2012. Two years and ten months is several lifetimes in politics. He'll probably run again, and win.

[A.J.]

I would bet he retires and Connecticut has that slate of new senators you've been dreaming of.

The whole delegation is there for life.

He's not up for reelection until 2012. Two years and ten months is several lifetimes in politics. He'll probably run again, and win.

I know he'll win. Just like Dodd would have won again.

[epo]

Joe Lieberman: I didn't betray Harry Reid (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31457.html)

Did Joe Lieberman betray Harry Reid?

Reid says so in a soon-to-be published story in The New York Times Sunday magazine — accusing the Connecticut independent of blindsiding him last month when he went on “Face the Nation” and declared he’d have “a hard time” backing a Reid-brokered Medicare compromise in the health care bill.

After Lieberman’s bombshell interview, an incensed Reid fumed to unnamed associates, “He double-crossed me. ... Let’s not do what he wants. Let the bill just go down,” according to Nagourney.

Eventually, Reid — who shielded Lieberman from attempts to strip him of a key committee chairmanship in early 2009 — relented and ditched the Medicare plan to salvage the bill.

It looks like I'm not the only one who blames Joe Lieberman...

[A.J.]

Doing whatever it takes to stay in power:

U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, I-Conn., said Thursday he considered running as a Republican moderate in the 2012 election, but more likely will campaign as an independent. (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/01/29/news/a3-caplieb.txt)

[epo]

Lieberman: Obama Won't Get Nukes Treaty Without Major Changes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/11/lieberman-nuclear-deal-ob_n_533204.html)

Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) predicted on Sunday that President Obama would not get the votes needed to pass his nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia unless there were significant modifications to the administration's approach.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the Connecticut Independent suggested that he himself would oppose ratification of the START II Treaty that Obama signed in Prague this past week, in part because, he reasoned, the language left America vulnerable to a nuclear Iran.

"I don't believe that there will be 67 votes to ratify the treaty unless the administration does two things," Lieberman said. "First: commit to modernize our nuclear stockpile, so as we have less nuclear weapons we know that they are capable if, God forbid, we need them. And secondly, to make absolutely clear that the statements by Russian president [Dmitry] Medvedev at the signing in program, that seemed to suggest that if we continue to build ballistic missile defense in Europe they may pull out of this treaty, is just not acceptable to us. We need that defense to protect our allies and ourselves from Iran."

I didn't know that Israel had a Senator from Connecticut....fucking useless bastard...

[Dan 'Hampton]

There is alot of republican unrest (unfortunatly I hear all about it from my inlaws) in CT. It only makes sense for him to position himself closer to the center.

[A.J.]

I didn't know that Israel had a Senator from Connecticut....fucking useless bastard...

They'll have 2 when Blumenthal wins Dodd's seat.

[Dude!]

[B]I didn't know that Israel had a Senator from Connecticut....fucking useless bastard...

why are you such a jew-hater?

[epo]

Lieberman hates your Miranda rights (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/05/liebermans-citizenship-re_n_564981.html)

Obviously I'm not shocked.

[Bob Impact]

Lieberman hates your Miranda rights (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/05/liebermans-citizenship-re_n_564981.html)

Obviously I'm not shocked.

The Connecticut Independent is planning to unveil on Thursday a proposal that will supposedly free up law enforcement in their efforts to try terrorist suspects, by giving the State Department the right to revoke the citizenship of those suspects who are American

Seriously Lieberman, seriously? That's just retarded.

[epo]

Lieberman can't figure out who to endorse: (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37894.html)

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Thursday he’s open to supporting Republican Linda McMahon over Democrat Richard Blumenthal in his state’s Senate race, a move that would land him in hot water with Democrats back home and in Washington.

“I said I’m open,” Lieberman told POLITICO. “Is it theoretically possible? Yes. I probably know Blumenthal better, but I know Linda McMahon — she was on the state board of higher education, and I met with her a couple of times in that capacity. This is the great privilege that voters of Connecticut gave me in 2006 as an independent. Wait and see.”

So the current election has to be about Joe too? Seriously...what an attention seeking whore.

[A.J.]

Lieberman can't figure out who to endorse: (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37894.html)

This is the great privilege that voters of Connecticut gave me in 2006 as an independent.

So the current election has to be about Joe too? Seriously...what an attention seeking whore.

Translation: I'll play both sides to stay in power.

[high fly]

Lieberman can't figure out who to endorse: (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37894.html).

Zell Miller

[A.J.]

Now to give epo wood...

Good riddance: Lieberman not to run in 2012. (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2011/01/19/news/doc4d35a40f61d20003449339.txt)

[Dude!]

Now to give epo wood...

Good riddance

there are 12 jews
in the senate

epo won't be happy
until there are none

[WRESTLINGFAN]

there are 12 jews
in the senate

epo won't be happy
until there are none

Dont forget, there are 3 in SCOTUS.

[Dude!]

Dont forget, there are 3 in SCOTUS.

we should bring back quotas

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How cute, A Jew throwing a nazi tantrum



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[Crispy123]

How cute, A Jew throwing a nazi tantrum



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Did you even watch the video?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you even watch the video?

Yes and the Goeebels remark was enough for me.


When I see Boehner and crew goose stepping then I will believe Cohen

[spoon]

How cute, A Jew throwing a nazi tantrum



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Love the thinly veiled racism, and you should listen again. He was comparing a tactic and truth be told he's right. Is it a little over the top, sure. Yet I think the name tossing assholes on the right should be able to take it better since they are the pros at it. More righteous outrage versus actual debate and discussion. Perhaps it fits the topic of wasting time that the republicans are doing right now with this very vote bc it's dead in the Senate (won't even get voted on) and would get the Obama veto in a second. Fucking symbolic bullshit waste of time as the 2012 election is already under way and that's a problem. A seemingly constant problem these days.

[epo]

Yes and the Goeebels remark was enough for me.


When I see Boehner and crew goose stepping then I will believe Cohen

You are a fucking idiot. This thread is about my hate of Lieberman, not your shitty tangents.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are a fucking idiot. This thread is about my hate of Lieberman, not your shitty tangents.

Haven't you learned anything? Words have meaning.


What the fuck are you so pissed about hes gone in 2 years

[epo]

Haven't you learned anything? Words have meaning.


What the fuck are you so pissed about hes gone in 2 years

Why am I pissed? Cuz you can't stay on fucking topic.

I guess I shouldn't be happy that you aren't yelling about immigrations for a damned change.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CT Voters in their infinite wisdom voted in a guy who lied about being in Vietnam, lets see who they elect in '12

[Dude!]

Why am I pissed? Cuz you can't stay on fucking topic.

I guess I shouldn't be happy that you aren't yelling about immigrations for a damned change.


eeps, what did your
parents do to you that
so-filled you with hate?

[epo]

CT Voters in their infinite wisdom voted in a guy who lied about being in Vietnam, lets see who they elect in '12

Wow, you are sort of on topic!

[A.J.]

CT Voters in their infinite wisdom voted in a guy who lied about being in Vietnam, lets see who they elect in '12

I'm guessing another Democrat.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm guessing another Democrat.

Probably Ned Lamont

[Zorro]

Why am I pissed? Cuz you can't stay on fucking topic.

I guess I shouldn't be happy that you aren't yelling about immigrations for a damned change.

:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Goodbye Dick

Lugar ousted in Primary.

How can someone represent a state in which he doesnt live there. Just another carpetbagging hack who thinks he's entitled to being in the Senate cause hes Dick Lugar

[spoon]

worst name ever, unless Bernie Seman counts

yet another tea party quack takes his place though...not some huge change but more partisan to say the least (basically his platform)

From Lugar's Concession Speech:

f Mr. Mourdock is elected, I want him to be a good Senator. But that will require him to revise his stated goal of bringing more partisanship to Washington. He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party. His answer to the inevitable roadblocks he will encounter in Congress is merely to campaign for more Republicans who embrace the same partisan outlook. He has pledged his support to groups whose prime mission is to cleanse the Republican party of those who stray from orthodoxy as they see it.
This is not conducive to problem solving and governance. And he will find that unless he modifies his approach, he will achieve little as a legislator.

I'm nothing short of SHOCKED you didn't like a moderate in the end. I'm no Lugar fan either, but to say you're type cast is putting it lightly.

[Dude!]

Lugar is just another
Jew for epo to hate

[A.J.]

How can someone represent a state in which he doesnt live there.

See Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

See Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

Speaking of Bobby, 4 million dollars was pissed away just to rename the triboro bridge to the RFK.

[epo]

Goodbye Dick

Lugar ousted in Primary.

How can someone represent a state in which he doesnt live there. Just another carpetbagging hack who thinks he's entitled to being in the Senate cause hes Dick Lugar

Learn to stay on topic, jackass