Alito Calls Free Speech Limits "Dangerous"

[Fat_Sunny]

Seriously, F_S Hopes All You Commies And Pinkos Realize That It Is The Far Right That Is Most Pro-Free-Speech. At Least In Theory, And Apparently With Justice Alito, In Practice. We Shall See.

The "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" Case Is Gonna Be A Blockbuster, Regardless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/13/AR2007061302063_pf.html

[johnniewalker]

It is kinda funny how many big cases come out of wisconsin. Yoder and southworth are pretty huge cases. This looks like another big one. As for Alito this should be an interesting case. Its one thing to say you are pro free speech but this looks different.

[HBox]

Seriously, F_S Hopes All You Commies And Pinkos Realize That It Is The Far Right That Is Most Pro-Free-Speech. At Least In Theory, And Apparently With Justice Alito, In Practice. We Shall See.

The "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" Case Is Gonna Be A Blockbuster, Regardless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/13/AR2007061302063_pf.html

Your assertion would make sense if only the two most far right wing justices, Scalia and Thomas, weren't so opposed to it.

More here. (http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=11162)

Scalia and Thomas would permit increased government limits on artistic speech and press-related freedoms. In 1996, both voted to uphold federal restrictions on so-called "offensive" or "indecent" cable television programming, which includes valuable programming in such areas as health, literature, and art. (Denver Area Educational Telecommunications Consortium v. FCC)¹⁴⁷ Their dissent would essentially subordinate the First Amendment rights of independent programmers and audiences to the property rights of broadcast owners.¹⁴⁸I n 1990, Scalia voted to remove First Amendment protection altogether from "an entire category of speech-related businesses" related to sex, (FW/PBS, Inc. v. City of Dallas),¹⁴⁹ and adhered to that view in his concurring opinion in City of Los Angeles v. Alameda Books (2002).¹⁵⁰ In 1993, Thomas joined a Rehnquist dissent that would have permitted the banning of newspaper vending machines containing advertising brochures. (Cincinnati v. Discovery Network)¹⁵¹ Both Scalia and Thomas voted to make it easier to prosecute disclosure of an illegally intercepted cell phone conversation on a matter of public importance by someone who did not participate in the interception (Bartnicki v. Vopper, 2000),¹⁵² and to prosecute computer-generated sexually explicit images that "appear" to show minors (Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 2002).¹⁵³ Justice Scalia (but not Justice Thomas) dissented from the Court's 2004 opinion upholding a preliminary injunction against the Child Online Protection Act, which criminalizes placing "harmful to minors" material on the Internet. (Ashcroft v. ACLU, 2004)¹⁵⁴ And in a 1987 dissent, Justice Scalia argued that the government should be allowed to deny tax exemptions to publications based on their content even though there was no evidence that such denials were necessary to achieve the legislation's purpose of raising revenue while encouraging public communication. (Arkansas Writers' Project, Inc. v. Ragland)¹⁵⁵

[Fat_Sunny]

[color=navy][size=2]Your assertion would make sense if only the two most far right wing justices, Scalia and Thomas, weren't so opposed to it.

Well, This Seems To Complicate Matters A Bit.

Pending Further Review, Yours Truly....F_S

[HBox]

Well, This Seems To Complicate Matters A Bit.

Pending Further Review, Yours Truly....F_S

Just see it for what it is: an easy political pinata that politicians will hit to score easy political points or distract. It's not a left or right issue. Each side has speech they don't like and the less principled among them will attack it.

[TheMojoPin]

Seriously, F_S Hopes All You Commies And Pinkos Realize That It Is The Far Right That Is Most Pro-Free-Speech. At Least In Theory, And Apparently With Justice Alito, In Practice. We Shall See.

Sure, and they're also clearly for small government and all that jazz, too!

[EliSnow]

Scalia and Thomas are just bad justices all the way around.

I'll reserve my opinion of Alito, but his comments are interesting.

[Fat_Sunny]

Scalia and Thomas are just bad justices all the way around.

What About The KELO Case (Emminent Domain) In Your Home State? They Voted In The Minority Against The Confiscation.

[EliSnow]

What About The KELO Case (Emminent Domain) In Your Home State? They Voted In The Minority Against The Confiscation.

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

[Recyclerz]

(Message Board) Spy Report! Spy Report!


Jesus not for bong hits, Supreme Court says.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19414576/

In a 5-4 decision consistent with the strict constructionist view favored by conservatives, the US Supreme Court has ruled that school administrators were entitled to suspend a student that had unfurled a banner that said "Bong Hits 4 Jesus". Chief Justice Roberts opined "Everybody knows that Jesus did not have access to a bong when he wanted to toke up. He used a hookah, and if that was good enough for Our Lord and Savior, it should be good enough for some pothead kid in Alaska."

[Fat_Sunny]

Schools may prohibit student expression that can be interpreted as advocating drug use, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court in a 5-4 ruling.

F_S Is Very Disappointed In This, And Would Like To See Who Voted How.

[PhishHead]

Scalia and Thomas are just bad justices all the way around.

I'll reserve my opinion of Alito, but his comments are interesting.

I am actually shocked by this statement from you.
considering I went to basically an all liberal Law School, besides myself and a few others, majority of the people hated Scalia but majority of the students and professors agreed that his opinions when written were some of the most well written legal opinions on the supreme court and alot of his logic was not flawed as some of the other justices were.

[PhishHead]

F_S Is Very Disappointed In This, And Would Like To See Who Voted How.

Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Kennedy all concurred
and
Breyer - concurred in part and dissented in part
Stevens, Souter and Ginsberg all dissented

[Fat_Sunny]

I am actually shocked by this statement from you.
considering I went to basically an all liberal Law School, besides myself and a few others, majority of the people hated Scalia but majority of the students and professors agreed that his opinions when written were some of the most well written legal opinions on the supreme court and alot of his logic was not flawed as some of the other justices were.

Are You A Lawyer? Wow.

Given The Article That Started This Thread, Why Do You Think Alito Voted With The Majority?

[PhishHead]

Are You A Lawyer? Wow.

Given The Article That Started This Thread, Why Do You Think Alito Voted With The Majority?

Nope not a lawyer I left law school before 2nd Year.

[ShapopoJoe]

I dont get the issue with this....My job has the right to tell me what I can or cannot wear to work, as do most jobs in America. Why do schools NOT have the right to tell students what they can or cannot wear? Should I sue my employer for forcing me to wear business casual and not allowing me to wear a shirt that says "Billy Staples is a molester"?

[MadBiker]

I dont get the issue with this....My job has the right to tell me what I can or cannot wear to work, as do most jobs in America. Why do schools NOT have the right to tell students what they can or cannot wear? Should I sue my employer for forcing me to wear business casual and not allowing me to wear a shirt that says "Billy Staples is a molester"?

Private and charter schools do have dress codes or uniforms.

Public schools have dress codes as well, but they seem to be enforced loosely in some places, strictly in others.

"Bong Hits 4 Jesus" is not nearly as interesting to me as McCain Feingold. If private citizens or groups of citizens want to financially back a candidate, that is a form of expression as covered by the First Amendment (not literally speech). Placing restrictions on the amount of money an individual or group chooses is a blatant acknowledgement that money makes politics go 'round (duh) and tells people that if you are rich and well funded you will definitely win (not always true). The Federal government infringes on my freedom of expression by taking a portion of my tax income every year and putting it in a pot for campaign funding - why? I would rather keep that money and give it to a candidate of my own choosing.

Campaigns should be privately funded, period. "He with the most money" does not necessarily always win. If the voting public were truly better educated about politics, civic duty and responsibility, the realities of economic policies, tax allocation, and had even a smattering of interest in the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and other ideas upon which this nation was founded, we might have a cleaner political landscape and a more functional government more interested in running a country than their petty infighting.

But Paris Hilton's prison woes are much, much more important a focus.

Sorry for my mini rant. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Crispy123]

[SIZE="2"]Seriously, F_S Hopes All You Commies And Pinkos Realize That It Is The Far Right That Is Most Hypocritical, Corrupt, And Damaging To The United States Of America

There, fixed it for ya.
:dry:

[Midkiff]

Nope not a lawyer I left law school before 2nd Year.

Ha ha! Lay out the letter of the law for us, freshman! :lol:

[Fat_Sunny]

There, fixed it for ya.
:dry:

Yeah, It Looks Like The Original Quote By F_S Was WAY Off The Mark.

He Can't Imagine That Barry Goldwater Would Have Voted With The 5 !!!

Fat Would REALLY Like To Know Why Alito Voted With The Majority On This, Especially Given His Comments.

Where Can You Read The Actual Opinion Itself?

[HBox]

Let's all take one lesson from this thread and make sure we remember it: Alito is a lying son of a bitch.

[MadBiker]

Yeah, It Looks Like The Original Quote By F_S Was WAY Off The Mark.

He Can't Imagine That Barry Goldwater Would Have Voted With The 5 !!!

Fat Would REALLY Like To Know Why Alito Voted With The Majority On This, Especially Given His Comments.

Where Can You Read The Actual Opinion Itself?

here: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=06-278

[Fat_Sunny]

Let's all take one lesson from this thread and make sure we remember it: Alito is a lying son of a bitch.

Well That May Be Closer To The Truth Than You Think.


Thank You For The Link, MadBiker.

[EliSnow]

I am actually shocked by this statement from you.
considering I went to basically an all liberal Law School, besides myself and a few others, majority of the people hated Scalia but majority of the students and professors agreed that his opinions when written were some of the most well written legal opinions on the supreme court and alot of his logic was not flawed as some of the other justices were.

Well, I went to a very liberal college in CT and a liberal law school in NYC. Scalia is very intelligent (I would never claim to be smarter than him), he uses very good logic, and he writes very well. I just disagree with a number of his premises in interpreting the Constitution. As a result, I don't think his decisions work. They're well thought out and logical if you agree with where he's coming from.

[scottinnj]

Well, I went to a very liberal college in CT and a liberal law school in NYC. Scalia is very intelligent (I would never claim to be smarter than him), he uses very good logic, and he writes very well. I just disagree with a number of his premises in interpreting the Constitution. As a result, I don't think his decisions work. They're well thought out and logical if you agree with where he's coming from.


I agree, and being a conservative, I tend to agree with Scalia more then with Kennedy. However, the SC has not been consistent with the McCain-Feingold campaign law. Some of the law is good, some of it bad according to the SC.

[HBox]

I just discovered something. In the article orignally linked to by Sunny Alito said:

The newest justice, who was protective of speech rights as an appellate judge, added that "some restrictions have been held to be consistent with the First Amendment, but it's very dangerous for the government to restrict speech."

What the Post didn't print was what Alito said next:

"But I like playing with fire!" He then went into a mad scientist-type laugh.

[scottinnj]

I just discovered something. In the article orignally linked to by Sunny Alito said:



What the Post didn't print was what Alito said next:

"But I like playing with fire!" He then went into a mad scientist-type laugh.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/themarshal/dexter-lab-science.jpg

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!