'Major Changes'

[moochcassidy]

ron mentioned a re-think of the show over the summer break.

discuss


i say hire pepper hicks and move earl out of EP.

[JerseyRich]

ron mentioned a re-think of the show over the break.

discuss


i say hire pepper hicks and move earl out of EP.

I say move Mooch to the US so we can all sit and ponder "What the hell he just said"

That, and bring Crankcase in once a month for a Friday of Rock and Roll....

Wooooooooo!

[Gvac]

Couldn't agree more Mooch.

Like I said in the Listening Thread, Al Dukes was a FAN of the show, Earl is not. It's his JOB.

For a show as fun and free-wheeling as the Ron and Fez show, the man steering the ship (the executive producer) HAS TO be a fan.

Pepper has enthusiasm and a load of intelligence, and is also a fan. Many a man has been broken by the "Cruel Circus" however.

[JerseyRich]

Couldn't agree more Mooch.

Like I said in the Listening Thread, Al Dukes was a FAN of the show, Earl is not. It's his JOB.

For a show as fun and free-wheeling as the Ron and Fez show, the man steering the ship (the executive producer) HAS TO be a fan.

Pepper has enthusiasm and a load of intelligence, and is also a fan. Many a man has been broken by the "Cruel Circus" however.

What am I, chopped liver?

[mikeyboy]

I don't like this talk of severing the ties with ronfez.net. :sad::glurps:

[underdog]

I wonder if this is going to be Harry situation again, where they come back from vacation and suddenly, one of the key members just isn't there anymore. Is it Earl's time for a walk-about?

[moochcassidy]

mars or pitzy could do a better job of running the board. quite frankly its an embarrassment the way the levels are run in there. live events are horrific. The BB King i/v would have got any TV producer fired on the spot.

im not saying put pepper in EP, maybe its time for dave to move up. But Earl needs to take responsibility for the endless list of fuck ups.

[Gvac]

I was posting the exact same time as you pookie.

And I agree that this site has become more about our members than the show, but that's understandable. We've become a close knit community of friends and wind up talking about everything but the show sometimes.

If it's for the betterment of the show to sever their ties with us as the "unofficial official" web site of Ron and Fez, I say they do it.

[DolaMight]

I say move Mooch to the US so we can all sit and ponder "What the hell he just said"

That, and bring Crankcase in once a month for a Friday of Rock and Roll....

Wooooooooo!

Just turn on your exclusive XM subtitles

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't like this talk of severing the ties with ronfez.net. :sad::glurps:

I hope that's just part of the bit they always do with us.

I'm not listening so I can't react to what' being said.

[S0S]

I don't think anything should change.

[docgoblin]

I don't like this talk of severing the ties with ronfez.net. :sad::glurps:

Yes that is quite disconcerting. This place is cyber-home to me. I feel like a stranger on the other boards.

[Death Metal Moe]

I was posting the exact same time as you pookie.

And I agree that this site has become more about our members than the show, but that's understandable. We've become a close knit community of friends and wind up talking about everything but the show sometimes.

If it's for the betterment of the show to sever their ties with us as the "unofficial official" web site of Ron and Fez, I say they do it.

That's bullshit. We've been a lot more ON the shit posters to go fuck their mothers and I think actual discussions take place here. This place is a lot more positive than it was a couple years ago. Back then I'd say they should have dumped the website for awhile, I did.

I don't like the way it sounds like the discussion is going on air. Wish I could listen.

[johnniewalker]

ronfez.com has always been more appealing to me.

[JerseyRich]

I was posting the exact same time as you pookie.

And I agree that this site has become more about our members than the show, but that's understandable. We've become a close knit community of friends and wind up talking about everything but the show sometimes.

If it's for the betterment of the show to sever their ties with us as the "unofficial official" web site of Ron and Fez, I say they do it.

Go running back to Spread the Iris you traitor!

[Gvac]

Go running back to Spread the Iris you traitor!

I've actually been posting on Spread The Iris and FBA lately.

Those sites are fun and a lot less contentious.

[JerseyRich]

I've actually been posting on Spread The Iris and FBA lately.

Those sites are fun and a lot less contentious.

You're dead to me.

What's more fun than this photoshop image I made of your feet in espodrilles?

http://richstillwell.com/RF/gvacfeet.jpg

[Gvac]

You're dead to me.

What's more fun than this photoshop image I made of your feet in espodrilles?

See? You've proved my point.

You made this thread about a member (me) and not the show.

[JerseyRich]

See? You've proved my point.

You made this thread about a member (me) and not the show.

It's ok. I forgive you for not remembering one piece of information about the Night of the Living Bands.

[moochcassidy]

I hope that's just part of the bit they always do with us.

I'm not listening so I can't react to what' being said.

i never thought of that, we could be falling for a bit here.

it really does annoy me when dave does the whole anti. net gimmick. its probably the only things that gets me all angry at him.

we should be rollin with the bit.

we are silly geese.

[JustJon]

I've actually been posting on Spread The Iris and FBA lately.

Those sites are fun and a lot less contentious.

You really don't read FBA, do you?

[Death Metal Moe]

i never thought of that, we could be falling for a bit here.

it really does annoy me when dave does the whole anti. net gimmick. its probably the only things that gets me all angry at him.

we should be rollin with the bit.

we are silly geese.

I don't think it's silly, Ron and Fez always mix it up for us. One minute they're busting our chops and the next they're having a serious problem with a staff member or dealing with Fez's real life problems.

It's SO fucking hard to read them, but one thing remains constant. Ron is laughing at all of us.

[crb1]

You really don't read FBA, do you?

I tried once, but I gave up after 15 minutes of Firefox loading sigpics.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

No Earl

Less Stressed Dave

More Pepper Hicks

these are GOOD changes


severing ties with ronfez.net

More Earl

Married Stressed Dave

These are BAD Changes

:king:

[niciggy]

mars or pitzy could do a better job of running the board. quite frankly its an embarrassment the way the levels are run in there. live events are horrific. The BB King i/v would have got any TV producer fired on the spot.

im not saying put pepper in EP, maybe its time for dave to move up. But Earl needs to take responsibility for the endless list of fuck ups.

the whole BB King thing was just part of a poorly run situation by XM, had NOTHING to do with Earl, Dave, Ron, Fez, etc. XM were running a few shows out of their HOT parking lot at the same time...when BB King just agrees to be interviewed inside the building, not even near where R&F were. Don was yelling directions to someone who was acting as a runner to Earl who was outside trying to make sure everything was going through HIS board, seeing it live, I would say that Earl was running that live event as though his life depended on it. I think we're playing into a bit.

[Dash77]

I don't beleave Al even said that about us, we all care about the show and Al fucked up the flow of the show today

[angrymissy]

I've actually been posting on Spread The Iris and FBA lately.

Those sites are fun and a lot less contentious.

et tu, gvac?

(if you think there is drama here, those 2 sites way way beat us in that department)

[Gvac]

Being 100% honest for a moment, I've been keeping myself from posting a thread entitled "Has RonFez.Net Lost Its Way?" for a while now.

I figured it would be seen as either a joke or a chance for the mods and admins to jump all over my ass for "stirring shit up" and not taken seriously.

I'm glad it was brought up on the show today.

This place is definitely not run the way it used to be, and the interaction with the show isn't the same either.

[J.Clints]

Being 100% honest for a moment, I've been keeping myself from posting a thread entitled "Has RonFez.Net Lost Its Way?" for a while now.

I figured it would be seen as either a joke or a chance for the mods and admins to jump all over my ass for "stirring shit up" and not taken seriously.

I'm glad it was brought up on the show today.

This place is definitely not run the way it used to be, and the interaction with the show isn't the same either.
I agree gvac. thanks

[angrymissy]

Being 100% honest for a moment, I've been keeping myself from posting a thread entitled "Has RonFez.Net Lost Its Way?" for a while now.

I figured it would be seen as either a joke or a chance for the mods and admins to jump all over my ass for "stirring shit up" and not taken seriously.

I'm glad it was brought up on the show today.

This place is definitely not run the way it used to be, and the interaction with the show isn't the same either.

See, I have to disagree! This is one of the best run messageboards, IMO out of the bunch.

Lets see... spreadtheiris had a whole thread that ESD was arrested, for assaulting a cop outside of bar 9, from "Repubtable Sources"

FBA had one of their own mods start an anonymous shit-stirring thread saying horrible things about Casey (and he was her friend IRL too)

WB let a similar thread about Casey go on for way too long, which started tons of shit. Not to mention the shit that goes on there regarding Dave (posting almost his entire address, phone #, etc)

Not to mention the horrific sig pics that take up half the page, and having to sort through a million slip in a puddle of aids ramooone frunkisss comments.

Just a few examples of many. That shit doesn't fly here, and while those boards have their purpose, I like the flow here better, and think this site is more all-around respectful and moderated as such.

I also think that rf.net interacts with the show in more of a fan based manner, rather than an attention seeking manner, which I like.

[moochcassidy]

the whole BB King thing was just part of a poorly run situation by XM, had NOTHING to do with Earl, Dave, Ron, Fez, etc. XM were running a few shows out of their HOT parking lot at the same time...when BB King just agrees to be interviewed inside the building, not even near where R&F were. Don was yelling directions to someone who was acting as a runner to Earl who was outside trying to make sure everything was going through HIS board, seeing it live, I would say that Earl was running that live event as though his life depended on it. I think we're playing into a bit.


i checked out the big ass bash show recently- partly because i was drunk off my ass and more interested in shouting at kathleen and trying to touch daves bollicks than anything else that night- i digress.

but the live shows have been a joke. i dont know anyone i work with that is as incompetent as earl. even after all that crap today, he STILL fucked up the levels when JDubs came in.

i was on the fence before.

but earl needs to go

[Furtherman]

I think, for the most part, I help this place run pur-RIT-ee smooooooooth.




Seriously, we're good.

[angrymissy]

I think gvacnomore has taken over gvacs account :(

[Gvac]

Sometimes my "tongue in cheek" humor doesn't come across too well in written word, but I assure you I didn't really mean that the other web sites were friendlier than our beloved RonFez.Net, Missy.

I mean that this place isn't run like it was back in the "old days" and I think that's reflected in the fact that a lot of the old timers don't post here any more. A lot of newer members have even fled.

RFNet was always ridiculed for being the "nice" board where everything was positive. That shouldn't be considered a put-down in my eyes. It used to be a place where fans of the show gathered and everyone was accepted.

Spats and drama should have no place here. As we all know, there are plenty of other messageboards for that type of crap.

Just my feelings on the subject.

[drjoek]

I don't like this talk of severing the ties with ronfez.net. :sad::glurps:

Hated hearing that myself
Crazy Talk I say

What have we done wrong to lose favor with the show?

[angrymissy]

Sometimes my "tongue in cheek" humor doesn't come across too well in written word, but I assure you I didn't really mean that the other web sites were friendlier than our beloved RonFez.Net, Missy.

I mean that this place isn't run like it was back in the "old days" and I think that's reflected in the fact that a lot of the old timers don't post here any more. A lot of newer members have even fled.

RFNet was always ridiculed for being the "nice" board where everything was positive. That shouldn't be considered a put-down in my eyes. It used to be a place where fans of the show gathered and everyone was accepted.

Spats and drama should have no place here. As we all know, there are plenty of other messageboards for that type of crap.

Just my feelings on the subject.

bahhhh stupid sarcasm.

See, I think a lot of the "old timers" just moved on and don't post anywhere anymore. I think this is probably the freindliest board out of them all.

[J.Clints]

bahhhh stupid sarcasm.

See, I think a lot of the "old timers" just moved on and don't post anywhere anymore. I think this is probably the freindliest board out of them all.

there is a friendlier board

[Fat_Sunny]

Man-O-Man F_S Thinks RonFez.Net Is Plenty Friendly.

RoseBlood Posted A Thread From 4 Years Ago Last Night That Was As Harsh As Anything F_S Has Seen Here In The Last 6 Months.

The Anti-Dave Stuff Usually Seems To Come From People With 10 Posts, Not From The People Who Are Really Active Here. Maybe Some Of These Are Actually From Sabateurs From Other Sites. Who Knows?

Listen To Today's Show Again. Fat Can Pick Out Several Topics They Talked About That Came From Active RonFez.Net Threads. We Actually Feed Them Material; What Better Way To Help The Show??

The Only People That F_S Makes Fun Of Are People That He Likes. He Suspects The Same Is True Of Ron And Fez.

[angrymissy]

there is a friendlier board

Which one? rf.net was always referred to as "disneyland"

[led37zep]

"Major Changes" might be the coolest military themed wrestling name since Sgt. Slaughter.

[Fat_Sunny]

"Major Changes" might be the coolest military themed wrestling name since Sgt. Slaughter.

Hmmm...How About: Major Development!

[drjoek]

Man-O-Man F_S Thinks RonFez.Net Is Plenty Friendly.



Listen To Today's Show Again. Fat Can Pick Out Several Topics They Talked About That Came From Active RonFez.Net Threads. We Actually Feed Them Material; What Better Way To Help The Show??

.


They laughed about the sneeze thread then spent 30 minutes riffing about it into a great bit. Were like your oldest child. You expect so much from them and set the basr so high that its easy to find fault when you don't acive the high standards

[Leticia]

Let me start off by saying that I did not hear the show today...


I have tried to go on the other boards and could not.... They were so negetive and I felt like I was just a needle in a haystack in them.


Ronfez.net is the first board I've gone into not knowing anyone and ended up with so many friends and people I admire.

This board is not only friendly, but supportive as well.
Every problem I've posted has received plenty of support and love. Not to mention the fact that there is a place for me to safely share my problems without anyone making a joke out of it.

This board is amazing... and I hope all of you know this. I've only been here for a few months and can't believe how comfortable and welcome you guys made me feel the first week I started posting.


Thank you.

[ChoppedLiver]

What am I, chopped liver?

Somebody call ??

[Yeti.]

(Scratches nuts, wishes ron and fez was still on 24/7 on XM)

[blacknoi]

I definitely still feel that this board is one of the friendliest out there.

I've been bitched at (and banned for a dumb reason which I wont get into here) on wb, and see so much more negativity on other boards.

Disneyland is a great metaphor for this board and yes it has a different feel to it now then it did a few years ago... .but thats going to happen with different posters.

I agree with missy that its not that the "old timers" have been driven away, they've just moved on. Its natural progression. There will always be those that never leave and those that are actually driven away, but this is not *most* people (in my opinion).

I actually like the show staff a lot right now. The "fuck ups" that are claimed to be because of Earl, could be partially bit, partially reality. But I think the RF show is one of the best WORK/SHOOT shows I've ever heard.

They constantly swerve us as to whats real and whats not. Now thats entertainment.

Thank you Ron, Fez, and the rest.

Thak you rf.net

[PD]

as pretty much an outsider here
(except now listener thread and lurking for years)

this board interacts the best with the show, and way better than any boards interact with OnA.
This board (for the most part) still "gets it" - that its about making the show fun, not about promoting yourself.

Don't sweat it.

[TheMojoPin]

Sometimes my "tongue in cheek" humor doesn't come across too well in written word, but I assure you I didn't really mean that the other web sites were friendlier than our beloved RonFez.Net, Missy.

I mean that this place isn't run like it was back in the "old days" and I think that's reflected in the fact that a lot of the old timers don't post here any more. A lot of newer members have even fled.

RFNet was always ridiculed for being the "nice" board where everything was positive. That shouldn't be considered a put-down in my eyes. It used to be a place where fans of the show gathered and everyone was accepted.

Spats and drama should have no place here. As we all know, there are plenty of other messageboards for that type of crap.

Just my feelings on the subject.

No offense, sir, but I'll lay down big money you can find a post almost exactly like yours in the archives within 6 months of the board being started.

[JPMNICK]

I doubt Ron has a problem with rf.net. I think we support the show more than any other board. when something is happening at Bar 9, it is packed with rf.net member.

Don't forget Ron is also the guy on the air who complained about the listening thread, that we should all not be commenting on every line! So either this board listens to much, or we do not pay enough attention and the board is about personal things.

I think the main difference with the older days is that when it was an NYC show, and an NYC audience, a lot of the shit they talked about on the air we were involved in. News stories, concerts, other events, could be discussed by board members as friends would, but it would relate back to the show because it was a show topic. I think now that it is national, and we have people from all over, it is harder for us as a community to keep discussig things from the show.

And then you walk the fine line of bringing up something from the show, and being called negative. I think this board is just fine, and Ron is just busting balls. he is fucking hysterical, and really knows how to get people talking and thinking. I honestly think if he had done the schooling, Ron could be one of the top phychologists out there today, because he can read people so quick and really break them down and know what to so to promote a reaction. Obviously it worked today on all of us!

[Gvac]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

I'm not trashing RFNet or saying that it's worse than the other sites, I'm merely saying it's not being run the way it was in the past and I think it's a turn for the worse.

Has it fallen off a slope into the abyss? Absolutely not. I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that all is well when I see the house beginning to rot a little, though.

[TheMojoPin]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

I'm not trashing RFNet or saying that it's worse than the other sites, I'm merely saying it's not being run the way it was in the past and I think it's a turn for the worse.

Has it fallen off a slope into the abyss? Absolutely not. I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that all is well when I see the house beginning to rot a little, though.

Please see my post above. I started lurking back in 2001 and plenty of people were saying the exact same thing then.

If anything, I remember a lot more locked threads, a lot more drama and flame wars and a lot more bannings back in the early days. I think if anything, this place has changed for the better in terms of there being a LOT less battles and ugly board drama. The spats we have here and there are nothing compared to what we had here the first couple of years, as I'm sure you can recall. Things like the great Reilly vs. Alkey/Silera battle were almost the norm as opposed to the exception. Yes, it's not as close knit as it was, but that's gonna happen as a site and community grows.

[Marc with a c]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

I'm not trashing RFNet or saying that it's worse than the other sites, I'm merely saying it's not being run the way it was in the past and I think it's a turn for the worse.

Has it fallen off a slope into the abyss? Absolutely not. I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that all is well when I see the house beginning to rot a little, though.

go fuck yourself

[MadMatt]

I hate the fact that this is going to sound negative, but I think moving Earl out of EP would help the show. He isn't good on air, he isn't funny, he doesn't have control of his staff, and he has shown that a leadership role just isn't his forte.

I'm not saying fire him outright, but he seems better as a board op working on some of the technical aspects rather than leading the crew. The show needs somebody more dynamic, entertaining, and better in the leadership role.

On the other side, what can we do as a board? I love the show and get true enjoyment from posting on rf.net. What do Ron & Fez want or need us to do?

Is it time for Mikeyboy, JustJon, and Bobby P to have a "sitdown" with Ron & Fez to see what they are looking for? What is pissing them off and what do they need to accept as "fan talk."

[sithlord]

I wonder if this is going to be Harry situation again, where they come back from vacation and suddenly, one of the key members just isn't there anymore. Is it Earl's time for a walk-about?

How wonderful would it be if they did come back from vacation and Earl was gone. Unfortunately we all know Earl isn't going anywhere willingly. Is it time for Earl's walk about? Yes in fact it's long overdue. The show needs to be injected with some new blood it's as simple as that. As for these boards they are still the coolest around although for the life of me I caan't understand why we are constantly being singled out as such a negative place.

[MadMatt]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

I'm not trashing RFNet or saying that it's worse than the other sites, I'm merely saying it's not being run the way it was in the past and I think it's a turn for the worse.

Has it fallen off a slope into the abyss? Absolutely not. I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that all is well when I see the house beginning to rot a little, though.

I guess what I am looking for GVAC is guidance. Saying things were better in the past is great, but i wasn't there and don't know what you are talking about. All I "know" is XM Ron & Fez and what the board is like now.

What do we, as a board, want or need to do differently? I like this site a lot more than I do the other fan sites, but I am also willing to make changes if it will make R&F happy.

I am not a sycophant, but I am willing to do whatever I can to help the show. I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way.

[JerseyRich]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

I'm not trashing RFNet or saying that it's worse than the other sites, I'm merely saying it's not being run the way it was in the past and I think it's a turn for the worse.

Has it fallen off a slope into the abyss? Absolutely not. I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that all is well when I see the house beginning to rot a little, though.

Ok, Blowhard.

[moochcassidy]

Man-O-Man F_S Thinks RonFez.Net Is Plenty Friendly.

RoseBlood Posted A Thread From 4 Years Ago Last Night That Was As Harsh As Anything F_S Has Seen Here In The Last 6 Months.

The Anti-Dave Stuff Usually Seems To Come From People With 10 Posts, Not From The People Who Are Really Active Here. Maybe Some Of These Are Actually From Sabateurs From Other Sites. Who Knows?

Listen To Today's Show Again. Fat Can Pick Out Several Topics They Talked About That Came From Active RonFez.Net Threads. We Actually Feed Them Material; What Better Way To Help The Show??

The Only People That F_S Makes Fun Of Are People That He Likes. He Suspects The Same Is True Of Ron And Fez.

i wish i could shut the fuck up and just let F_S talk for me- the only person who makes any sense in this place anymore.

i dont get where the gvac bashing is coming from here.

this thread was supposed to be about the show, not which website they fuckin like the most..

did anyone hear that fucking abortion that went out on the air today?

[JPMNICK]

In all my years of posting here, I never thought we had a more open and friendly policy. Maybe rf.net seemed friendlier back in the day to the show, because more members went in studio, but from an outsider perspective I think it is better now. Everyone around here is very nice, and their is not that holy than thou attitude of people who are in studio vs. the rest of the board. I think new members like Reilly, stugots, Fat_Sunny, marc with a c, have really changed the dynamic and personally made this a MUCH more fun place to post. I think new members who are genuine and not here to start shit are given a warm welcome. And I also think as a board we do our best to police the people who come here to start shit.

[MadMatt]

i wish i could shut the fuck up and just let F_S talk for me- the only person who makes any sense in this place anymore.

i dont get where the gvac bashing is coming from here.

this thread was supposed to be about the show, not which website they fuckin like the most..

did anyone hear that fucking abortion that went out on the air today?

I hope you don't think I am GVAC bashing, because I love the guy.

I am legitimately asking for more information/input from a board Veteran. I really want to be "part of the solution" but don't know what I (or any of us) need to do.

I respect GVAC and honestly want hos opinion.

[and I think Marc with a C was just being Marc with a C. All in fun]

[drjoek]

People, I implore you...LISTEN TO ME!!!

....


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THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg

[watson]

the only solution is to put the show where it was in 2002

AT NIGHT

the noon shift blows, the chemistry is all off,

same can be said for Opie and Anthony, they are an afternoon drive show not a morning drive show

With CBS, O and A must be on in the morning, but at a minimum put Ron and Fez on at 3PM

[ScottFromGA]

damn Hayseeds..........its their fault the board is going downhill!!!



:wink:

[Friday]

i wish i could shut the fuck up and just let F_S talk for me- the only person who makes any sense in this place anymore.

i dont get where the gvac bashing is coming from here.

this thread was supposed to be about the show, not which website they fuckin like the most..

did anyone hear that fucking abortion that went out on the air today?

Please Note: No Babies were harmed in the making of todays radio show.

[moochcassidy]

I hope you don't think I am GVAC bashing, because I love the guy.

I am legitimately asking for more information/input from a board Veteran. I really want to be "part of the solution" but don't know what I (or any of us) need to do.

I respect GVAC and honestly want hos opinion.

[and I think Marc with a C was just being Marc with a C. All in fun]

i know bro. and marc with a c is a shit stirrer the likes we may never see again...for this i want to fondle his middle parts

[Fat_Sunny]

i know bro. and marc with a c is a shit stirrer the likes we may never see again...for this i want to fondle his middle parts

Take A Ticket, Bro!

[TheMojoPin]

the only solution is to put the show where it was in 2002

AT NIGHT

This is the only post that makes sense...LATE NIGHT UBER ALLES. I miss the old split between day and night posters.

And mooch, I don't think anyone is bashing Gvac. Nobody wants to end up wrestling with Grandpa.

EVER.

[MadMatt]

i know bro. and marc with a c is a shit stirrer the likes we may never see again...for this i want to fondle his middle parts

Sorry - I am home sick and probably not thinking quite right.

Thanks for your efforts Mooch - you are a top-notch fella!

:smoke:

[JPMNICK]

Night time is the best time for smart, on topic callers. I know it is not the most prestigious shift in radio, but the people who listen are fans of talk radio, not just someone who is in their car and sick of Z100.

[Dougie Brootal]

go fuck yourself

DONT YOU TALK TO MY MAN LIKE THAT!!!!

[JerseyRich]

Let's get back on track here.

Bronx Johnny for EP!

[Death Metal Moe]

What we need here is a return to simpler times.

We need the...

http://www.thevillager.com/vil_92/hawk.gif

[JPMNICK]

What we need here is a return to simpler times.

We need the...

http://www.thevillager.com/vil_92/hawk.gif

we have missed out on a lot of great facts over the years

[moochcassidy]

This is the only post that makes sense...LATE NIGHT UBER ALLES. I miss the old split between day and night posters.

And mooch, I don't think anyone is bashing Gvac. Nobody wants to end up wrestling with Grandpa.

EVER.

good, i really didnt want this to turn into a shitfest.

Gvac the man to me...and YES i mean in a gay way.

lets just say Gvac made a few promises that i...i just need to believe are true!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here are the major changes that are needed:

1) The show absolutely needs to go to nights. Period. That is the #1 change. I was on the fence about this before, thinking it was a personal deal with Fez, or something else, but they did six hours of radio a day. I think they can do 7-11 or 6-10.

1a) If it's a thing with O&A that they can't do nights, then give R&F their own channel. Repurpose the night-show from the night before in the 12-3 spot on 202, and the same can be done for O&A's show to pad it out on R&F's new channel.

2) Someone is needed to balance out the show. Someone who is NOT a fan of the show. Both Earl and Dave were friends of the show, and the interns who were hired moved up the ranks. While that's all well and good, what's wrong with putting out a help wanted sign out there? Where did people like Dukes, Rory, and (old) Hawk come from? Outside of the show. That's what's needed.

3) Find someone who has a promotional/marketing background to handle paperwork, setting up gigs, and making sure site checks and non-on-air stuff is handled. That CAN be a friend of the show. Someone who has a history with the show. Who can it beeeeeee

[drjoek]

This Thread is like the telephone game in Grammer school where you whisper in the person next to you's ear and you pass it along. Nothing but garbled messages streming by

[angrymissy]

Believe me I am not bashing gvac (i'm sure he knows) gvac is mah homey from back in the day

[moochcassidy]

Let's get back on track here.

Bronx Johnny for EP!


first funny post in this shitheap....ewww and it was by a bloody limey wanka too!

https://www8.georgetown.edu/centers/cndls/applications/posterTool/data/users/Nation%20Project%20IRA%20BRITS%20OUT.jpgOF MY THREAD!

[JPMNICK]

If you listen to O&A and R&F from a purely technical perspective, it is AMAZING how much more production O&A have. They have news clips ready to go from the night before, as well as quick access to all older materials they have used before. I know they have a bigger staff, but with a better EP maybe R&F could have more stuff available to them to make the show easier

[Friday]

good, i really didnt want this to turn into a shitfest.


I was wondering why I had to go in the middle of the day. Dammit Mooch.

As for Tenbats..... I agree with the nighttime theorizing.
And if they put out an ad for #3... I would be the first to send my resume in.
I would kill to be able to devote my time and work ethic to something I actually CARED about.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was wondering why I had to go in the middle of the day. Dammit Mooch.

As for Tenbats..... I agree with the nighttime theorizing.
And if they put out an ad for #3... I would be the first to send my resume in.
I would kill to be able to devote my time and work ethic to something I actually CARED about.

NOT YOU.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If you listen to O&A and R&F from a purely technical perspective, it is AMAZING how much more production O&A have. They have news clips ready to go from the night before, as well as quick access to all older materials they have used before. I know they have a bigger staff, but with a better EP maybe R&F could have more stuff available to them to make the show easier

Excellent point, but the format of R&F's show isn't like O&A's. How many song parodies do you hear on O&A's show?

[Friday]

NOT YOU.

Why NOT?

[JPMNICK]

Excellent point, but the format of R&F's show isn't like O&A's. How many song parodies do you hear on O&A's show?

I agree 100%, but how many times have they gone to go to song paradies and it not be ready or something is fucked up. Now ron and fez can roll with it and make 30 minutes of hysterical material out of that, but who knows what we are missing with the shitty production skills.

and I think ESD would be a much better producer if he had a better EP to guide him. Dave strikes me as someone who would work hard and follow directions if they were given to him, but I do not think Earl has one bit of communication skills in him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why NOT?

board gossip... shhhhh... what stent-loaded host has issues with a particular actress who acts out?

I'm not at liberty to say...

[MadMatt]

Here are the major changes that are needed:

1) The show absolutely needs to go to nights. Period. That is the #1 change. I was on the fence about this before, thinking it was a personal deal with Fez, or something else, but they did six hours of radio a day. I think they can do 7-11 or 6-10.

1a) If it's a thing with O&A that they can't do nights, then give R&F their own channel. Repurpose the night-show from the night before in the 12-3 spot on 202, and the same can be done for O&A's show to pad it out on R&F's new channel.

2) Someone is needed to balance out the show. Someone who is NOT a fan of the show. Both Earl and Dave were friends of the show, and the interns who were hired moved up the ranks. While that's all well and good, what's wrong with putting out a help wanted sign out there? Where did people like Dukes, Rory, and (old) Hawk come from? Outside of the show. That's what's needed.

3) Find someone who has a promotional/marketing background to handle paperwork, setting up gigs, and making sure site checks and non-on-air stuff is handled. That CAN be a friend of the show. Someone who has a history with the show. Who can it beeeeeee

1) Although I admire your conviction, we need to keep this in the realm of reality. Saying they need to change the time is great, and I agree, but it isn't helpful. we have to work with the cards in front of us and that is a mid-day show. Plus, none of us has any input into who is on what channel. That has already been made abundantly clear.

2) I think they need to bring in new blood too - someone from outside the current fold. I had mentioned in a previous thread that Than from O&A might be a good choice - both for his competence and humor. However, going farther afield and posting a "Help Wanted" sign might be the best idea.

3) Are you talking about a new support position? That sounds like a good idea - however that also means they would need to do MORE events and gatherings to warrant a new staff position, unless that person also took over guest bookings and other "entertainment" roles. Also, quit being a whore :tongue:

[JPMNICK]

i do not think Than would be good at all. He might be a good behind the scenes producer, but I am not sure if he could stand up to the beatings that the producers have to take on the show. It is a lot different to be the heel than the face.

remember when R&F started on 202 Earl was the golden boy, and got praised everyday

[MadMatt]

i do not think Than would be good at all. He might be a good behind the scenes producer, but I am not sure if he could stand up to the beatings that the producers have to take on the show. It is a lot different to be the heel than the face.

remember when R&F started on 202 Earl was the golden boy, and got praised everyday

I'm saying Than because he seems to have leadership potential and has shown his competence on O&A's show. This is a weird time for R&F and it seems to me they could use a strong hand at the helm. Who says the EP has to be on air all the time?

Than already knows the XM setup, can jump in a t a moments notice, and can probably take charge and whip the crew into shape. Plus he is smart, funny, and sarcastic as hell.

I can't say how he might do in the long term, but I think he could definitely help get things moving in the right direction.

Of course it's not like I'm his brother or gay for him or anything. Just throwing the thought out there.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

an Alpha EP wouldnt Hurt, someone who would usually avoid the Barrel and can hold a Adult Convo (sometimes disagree) with Ron, while doing a good (not perfect) job .

Then ESD, can be the Comedy Producer, who will do anything for the show
:king:

[JPMNICK]

an Alpha EP wouldnt Hurt, someone who would usually avoid the Barrel and can hold a Adult Convo (sometimes disagree) with Ron, while doing a good (not perfect) job .

Then ESD, can be the Comedy Producer, who will do anything for the show
:king:


That kind of describes Giant Brian at WJFK. he was funny, but I did not think he was a good fit for the show.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

My Ron & Fez Pitching Rotation

1. SP Ron Bennington aka Lefty 12-1 2.45 ERA
2. SP Fez Whatley aka Stenty 5-4 3.45 ERA
3. SP Pepper Hicks 9-2 2.95 ERA (Rookieof the Year Candidate)
4. SP Pitzy 4-7 4.82 ERA
5. SP A lump of Coal 0-0 0.00 ERA

Closer: Pre Wedding Stress East Side Dave 1-5 15 Svs 3.75 ERA

Designated for Assignment: Black Earl 1-11 8.25 ERA

GM: Lilly

Manager: Bronx Johnny

:king:

[mikeyboy]

I'm at a loss. I really am. I just don't know what to make of G's complaints. On the one hand, it's hard not to take it personally, because I think a lot of how the board is run falls on the shoulders of the admins. The clear difference in management between the golden years and today is me. That said, I don't see the difference between the way the board was run now and then, but I welcome constructive criticism.

Frankly, the board is in a re-birth right now. The WJFK years was a fallow time -- the board was largely NY area people, and the show went south to Fairfax. The regular NY fans had a hard time keeping up with show without using illegal means to do so. As a result, the community started to fall away. Many board veterans stopped posting. There was very, very little discussion of the show on the board. It got better when WJFK started allowing streaming of their show over the internet, but the board didn't really start it's growth until the show returned to NY and XM. The growth has been phenomenal over the last two years. With that growth has been growing pains. We are often the first stop on the internet for people new to the show, partly because of the board mentions on the show, and partly because we're one of the first things to pop up when you do a google search for Ron & Fez. As a result, we do get more than our share of negative posters who don't always "get" the show. The core of the board is outstanding. We have the return of many veteran posters like Gvac, Jersey Rich, Friday, Effme Boobs and Sheepy (to name a few). We've also had an excellent influx of regulars over the past year. I won't name names here because I don't want to hurt feelings, but I will note that these new people have brought a renewed sense of community to the board. Granted, the strength of the NY area community (and the up and coming DC area crew) may alienate people in outlying areas some, but I guess you have to take the good with the bad.

Gvac, I'll put this to you. At one of the events, I stated that I thought the sense of community on the board was the strongest it had been since the WNEW days. You agreed with me. Has that changed, or is the issue more with the way the board is run?

I'm not going to say that I'm doing a great job, but I have tried since I became a mod to adhere to the standards of running the board that have been in place since I've been here. I know Jon does too. I've had periods where I've had to back off from the board because real life comes calling. That's just the way it is for any of us. There have been times when, because of things like this, we've been undermanned, but I think that this crop of mods are the strongest group I can remember. They are firm and just, do not get in fights, and rule with a light enough touch to not piss off the membership.

As for the so-called drama, I don't see it. The Reilly/Alkey drama was tough on the board, but that was over six months ago, and really served as a reminder that that kind of drama hadn't happened in a very long time. I could list instances of high drama on the old board, but it seems pointless to dredge it up, and I really don't feel like digging through the staff room right now. Sure, there are some occasional bumps, but I think we're largely in a good place.

I know there are a couple of people who have started posting on other boards, but that's okay. Every board has a different personality, and everyone should find the board that best fits their personality. At least everyone has a choice. Before the show started on XM, there was only one message board that had a forum for discussing th e Ron & Fez Show, and that was this one. Now there are at least 9 boards with forums dedicated to the show. That's a testement to the appeal of the show and the growth of it's audience. More choices is good. If someone feels more comfortable elsewhere, so be it.

Anyway, I don't think things are run differently now. I also think the board is stronger than it has been in a very, very long time. That said, I'm more than willing to hear constructive criticism as to how the board can be improved.

SDorry for writing a book.

[TheMojoPin]

A fascist book, you brutal monster.

[JPMNICK]

Gvac, I'll put this to you. At one of the events, I stated that I thought the sense of community on the board was the strongest it had been since the WNEW days. You agreed with me. Has that changed, or is the issue more with the way the board is run?



I said the same thing earlier. I think this is the most open and close everyone has been here ever. There are no real cliques, and new people are just brought into the mix. I could not imagine a better place to be then here.

And Mikey, I think you so an AWESOME job, along with the Brains of Backend Jon, in being admins on the board. As you siad, the Mods you have put in place have all been great and I think board tension between posters and staff is the lowest it has ever been

[Friday]

I Love Mikeyboy :wub:

[Bob Impact]

I want to hug mikeyboy now, and tap his knuckles while telling him it will me ok.

[Mike Teacher]

ah hate this place

been here seven yearzzz

nothing works herrrreeee

[loop and repeat]

[HBox]

I ... want to hurt ... Gvac ... and ... Alkey ... and ... Ron & Fez.

:ohmy:

[Leticia]

I said the same thing earlier. I think this is the most open and close everyone has been here ever. There are no real cliques, and new people are just brought into the mix. I could not imagine a better place to be then here.

And Mikey, I think you so an AWESOME job, along with the Brians of Backend Jon, in being admins on the board. As you siad, the Mods you have put in place have all been great and I think board tension between posters and staff is the lowest it has ever been

I definitely agree with this. Like I said earlier, I was welcomed with open arms and can't see how this this board could be doing wrong at all.

Great job guys. Me likes a them a all a.

[moochcassidy]

i dont think gvac bashed this board. maybe i missed summink

hasnt everyone been doing the 'it used too be better here' gimmick for years?

infact wasnt it better before everyone used to say it was better before everyone said it was better before?..i mean before the 'other thing'?..with the 'thing king'?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think we're viewing 2002 with rose-colored glasses. Yes, 2002 was great, but 2002 sucked too. There was TONS more drama back in the day. Tons. NOBODY could date anyone else without it being all over the board within 20 minutes. There's drama now, but nowhere near the level what it was.

The show has changed, the board has changed, and we've changed. Yes, there's a lot of interboard factions, but you roll with it.

What was on K-Rock was the closest thing the show was to 2002. There have been tons of times where I want to call in to the show and I can't because I'm working. In terms of events, listener participation, and "vibe" of the show, nights are made for Ron and Fez.

Did you notice how cool the Big Ass Bash event at the Hard Rock was? Even with all the drama, it still showed how tight of a community we were. It was close, but not quite, the Big Ass Night of Frights, which is bar none the pinnacle of Ron and Fez events and a true show of our unity and community.

Of course, I think we're missing this:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7936/erin2a6282qi1.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erin2a6282qi1.jpg)

[Mike Teacher]

Frankly, the show went south...I won't name names here because I don't want to hurt feelings, like Gvac, Jersey Rich, Friday, Effme Boobs and Sheepy (to name a few).


I've had periods.

OK I'm a horrific person but I just wanted to see what i could get by editing Mikeyboy's post like the movie reviewers do. Resume thread.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I definitely agree with this. Like I said earlier, I was welcomed with open arms and can't see how this this board could be doing wrong at all.

Great job guys. Me likes a them a all a.

Again, YOU HAVE BOOBS.

[JPMNICK]

i dont think gvac bashed this board. maybe i missed summink

hasnt everyone been doing the 'it used too be better here' gimmick for years?

infact wasnt it better before everyone used to say it was better before everyone said it was better before?..i mean before the 'other thing'?..with the 'thing king'?

saying shit used to be better X number of years ago is human nature I guess. Every bar you go to used to be better back in the day, cars, women... you get the idea

[smiler grogan]

It seems apparant that the current staff is not the well oiled machine that it should be. The man who gets the blame for that would be Earl, he's the E.P. so he has the bullseye on his back when things go wrong. I have been listening to R&F since the dot com shows
and have heard the boys do plenty of shows with a lot of different support people and they have always found a way to make there staff entertaining on the air.

The biggest difference I hear is Fez. Since going to DC Fez has had a tough go of it this is well documented. On the air Fez sounds uncomfortable, he sounds like he's trying to hard, he's forcing himself to sound like Ron. It sounds like he gets upset with himself when he doesn't make a clever point.

My wish list is for Fez to relax, get his confidence back, and just simply talk to Ronnie, Fez is incredibly talented, funny, quick witted, etc,etc..he shouldn't feel the need to have to always add something when Ron makes a point.

[Ritalin]

As a newer poster, let me give you my perspective. I think this board is fun, intelligent, provacative, hysterical and fresh. People on the board have been friendly, open and inviting. Seriously, even you old timers are open to new blood, and there's no snobbery. Sure, there's swirls and pockets of inside jokery, but so what?

I don't get this charge of negativity. At all. If I had some kind of show or something, I'd get down on my knees in thanks if I ever had fans as passionate and caring as you guys are.

I also don't know how this got to the point where Mikey Boy felt the need to write what I just read, basically tapping a vein like that. I think your board is ultra cool, Mikey, and I don't see why you should owe anyone any explanations.

[Tenbatsuzen]

1) Although I admire your conviction, we need to keep this in the realm of reality. Saying they need to change the time is great, and I agree, but it isn't helpful. we have to work with the cards in front of us and that is a mid-day show. Plus, none of us has any input into who is on what channel. That has already been made abundantly clear.

2) I think they need to bring in new blood too - someone from outside the current fold. I had mentioned in a previous thread that Than from O&A might be a good choice - both for his competence and humor. However, going farther afield and posting a "Help Wanted" sign might be the best idea.

3) Are you talking about a new support position? That sounds like a good idea - however that also means they would need to do MORE events and gatherings to warrant a new staff position, unless that person also took over guest bookings and other "entertainment" roles. Also, quit being a whore :tongue:

1) The quality of the show has been questioned. The answer is that the quality of the show is better at night. This has been proven by the K-Rock shows. The K-Rock shows had the same cast of characters. What was different? The time, and the audience. Although the audience will be much different than the K-Rock audience, the nighttime vibe just works.

2) Not Than. Someone OUTSIDE. Someone who is a suit. Someone who is "us against them", just like Al Dukes was. Al Dukes wasn't a friend of the show, he was installed by corporate. THAT'S what made the "Dukes" character work.

3) If R&F did events every six weeks, and someone could fucking handle it, Fez wouldn't be so stressed out. There is NO FUCKING REASON the hosts should be THAT stressed out for a live gig.

[HBox]

I'm a illegal alien

:sad:

[Friday]

Tenbats talks too much.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tenbats talks too much.

BTW, I spent your wedding present on peruvian blow.

[Friday]

BTW, I spent your wedding present on peruvian blow.

damn... I'm just bummed I wasn't invited! Sheepy too!

wheeee

[FUNKMAN]

BTW, I spent your wedding present on peruvian blow.

brazilians blow good too!



that's just crazytalk, sorry...

[Tenbatsuzen]

I like yogurt.

Well, who doesn't!

[mikeyboy]

1) The quality of the show has been questioned. The answer is that the quality of the show is better at night. This has been proven by the K-Rock shows. The K-Rock shows had the same cast of characters. What was different? The time, and the audience. Although the audience will be much different than the K-Rock audience, the nighttime vibe just works.

If asked, many people do prefer the XM show. Polls around the time that the FreeFM show was on the air will bear that out. "Proven" seems like an overstatement based on opinion.

3) If R&F did events every six weeks, and someone could fucking handle it, Fez wouldn't be so stressed out. There is NO FUCKING REASON the hosts should be THAT stressed out for a live gig.

Well, that's all speculation on your part. I don't think anyone knows exactly what is stressing Fez out. More often than not, when he expresses what has him stressed, he points to something besides live events.

[thejives]

I dunno very much about the long term history of the board. It was pretty cool to read Mikeyboy's history there. Here are some brainstorms for ways to improve the board:

1. Have a "Post of the Day" thread to reward funny posts.
2. Create a R+F wiki so we can maintain a sense of order and history.
3. Everyone has to be funny all the time. If Ronnie can do it, so can we.
4. Flash games where we can throw flaming bags of poo at Earl.
5. When posters get to 10,000 posts, Mikeyboy buys them a hooker.
6. Newbies are welcomed by a virus that makes all graphics on their computer 300X100 pixels.
7. Hire a team of writers to kick up the gags in each post.
8. Flash games where we can throw flaming bags of poo at ESD.
9. Fund these projects with a program that steals the pennies rounded off of bank transactions.
10. No matter what the song of the day is, we assume it's icky thump by the White Stripes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If asked, many people do prefer the XM show. Polls around the time that the FreeFM show was on the air will bear that out. "Proven" seems like an overstatement based on opinion.





OK. Let's bring that to fruition, then.

And it's not just Fez - Ron and the entire staff expressed a lot of stress going into different events.

[Bob Impact]

I dunno very much about the long term history of the board. It was pretty cool to read Mikeyboy's history there. Here are some brainstorms for ways to improve the board:

1. Have a "Post of the Day" thread to reward funny posts.
2. Create a R+F wiki so we can maintain a sense of order and history.
3. Everyone has to be funny all the time. If Ronnie can do it, so can we.
4. Flash games where we can throw flaming bags of poo at Earl.
5. When posters get to 10,000 posts, Mikeyboy buys them a hooker.
6. Newbies are welcomed by a virus that makes all graphics on their computer 300X100 pixels.
7. Hire a team of writers to kick up the gags in each post.
8. Flash games where we can throw flaming bags of poo at ESD.
9. Fund these projects with a program that steals the pennies rounded off of bank transactions.
10. No matter what the song of the day is, we assume it's icky thump by the White Stripes.
How about Angelina Jolie Avatars for everyone?









































SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GAY!

[mikeyboy]

OK. Let's bring that to fruition, then.

And it's not just Fez - Ron and the entire staff expressed a lot of stress going into different events.

Did you quote the wrong part of my post?

[Gvac]

I love Ron and Fez.

I love RonFez.Net.

I love my fellow members.

I love Mikeyboy and JustJon (Pantera too, but he's MIA)

I love all the moderators.

And I'm certainly not criticizing anyone. I'm merely pointing out that there was a time when the main focus of this messageboard was the Ron and Fez show. It no longer is. As I stated previously, this is completely understandable because we have such a wonderful little community here. A lot of the members have become close "real-life" friends from this place, some have even become lovers and spouses. I would never classify that as a bad thing.

I do think, however, that a lot more nonsense is tolerated as opposed to the earlier days of the board. Mojo pointed out that there were more "vacations" and threads lockings in the earlier days and he chose to see that as a sign that people are more respectful these days. I'm merely saying I see it as a willingness by those who have control over those things to let it go.

Again, these are just my opinions, and I don't take an opposing point of view as someone "bashing" me in any way. Since day 1 I've always stated that at its best, this site is a reflection of the show we all love: some serious conversation, some drama, and a whole lot of ball busting and nonsense.

Please don't misinterpret anything I've said as a desire on my part to start trouble and have people choosing sides.

Love you all,

Uncle G

[Bob Impact]

And I'm certainly not criticizing anyone. I'm merely pointing out that there was a time when the main focus of this messageboard was the Ron and Fez show. It no longer is. As I stated previously, this is completely understandable because we have such a wonderful little community here. A lot of the members have become close "real-life" friends from this place, some have even become lovers and spouses. I would never classify that as a bad thing.

Please don't misinterpret anything I've said as a desire on my part to start trouble and have people choosing sides.

Love you all,

Uncle G
I CHOOSE GVAC'S SIDE! HE'S MY LOVER!

Seriously, I've been in the car with Pootertoot and EffMeBoobs, nothing good came out of that relationship except for me having a new best friend in Bowser. Yeah thats right, i'm doing jokes that four people get now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did you quote the wrong part of my post?

No. I was going to start a poll asking people who heard both shows, which they preferred, the XM show or the K-Rock show. But if I did that, I'd probably be accused of being divisive and geo-prejudiced.

[weekapaugjz]

Let me start off by saying that I did not hear the show today...


I have tried to go on the other boards and could not.... They were so negetive and I felt like I was just a needle in a haystack in them.


Ronfez.net is the first board I've gone into not knowing anyone and ended up with so many friends and people I admire.

This board is not only friendly, but supportive as well.
Every problem I've posted has received plenty of support and love. Not to mention the fact that there is a place for me to safely share my problems without anyone making a joke out of it.

This board is amazing... and I hope all of you know this. I've only been here for a few months and can't believe how comfortable and welcome you guys made me feel the first week I started posting.


Thank you.

i couldn't have typed that better myself leticia. great post.

[JerseyRich]

first funny post in this shitheap....ewww and it was by a bloody limey wanka too!

https://www8.georgetown.edu/centers/cndls/applications/posterTool/data/users/Nation%20Project%20IRA%20BRITS%20OUT.jpgOF MY THREAD!

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Mooch is British as well. He's just in denial.

[MadMatt]

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Mooch is British as well. He's just in denial.

Dude, that is just mean. On behalf of my homeboy Mooch...

http://www.instapunk.com/images/MoonLeprechaun.png

[MadMatt]

I love Ron and Fez.

I love RonFez.Net.

I love my fellow members.

I love Mikeyboy and JustJon (Pantera too, but he's MIA)

I love all the moderators.

And I'm certainly not criticizing anyone. I'm merely pointing out that there was a time when the main focus of this messageboard was the Ron and Fez show. It no longer is. As I stated previously, this is completely understandable because we have such a wonderful little community here. A lot of the members have become close "real-life" friends from this place, some have even become lovers and spouses. I would never classify that as a bad thing.

I do think, however, that a lot more nonsense is tolerated as opposed to the earlier days of the board. Mojo pointed out that there were more "vacations" and threads lockings in the earlier days and he chose to see that as a sign that people are more respectful these days. I'm merely saying I see it as a willingness by those who have control over those things to let it go.

Again, these are just my opinions, and I don't take an opposing point of view as someone "bashing" me in any way. Since day 1 I've always stated that at its best, this site is a reflection of the show we all love: some serious conversation, some drama, and a whole lot of ball busting and nonsense.

Please don't misinterpret anything I've said as a desire on my part to start trouble and have people choosing sides.

Love you all,

Uncle G

Do you think something like curtailing the "New Posts" page to strictly R&F related material could help? We could still check out new posts in the other sections on the Daily page. Everyone can still post whatever they want, but the perceived focus can go back to the show.

And I'm just brainstorming here, so cut me an ounce of slack.

[TheMojoPin]

Gvac, I get what you're saying, but I'd again bet that we have more show related threads now on a regular basis than we did "back in the day" when the board pretty much existed only for the show. We just also have more "other" threads as well because the community is that much larger and more varied. In ye olden days, like it's been touched on, it was pretty much only NY people posting here, so you had a different sense of who people were and why they were posting here..."we're people all in the same place listening to the same show." Now you have a lot of people here who can't hear the show but are past fans or fans through other shows. It's a different type of community. Most message boards centered around a certain band or show or whatever always expand as they get more members. It's unavoidable. But that focus still remains even as the board grows around it.

Yes, this place feels different, because it is different. But is that necessarily a bad thing?

[Hottub]

Ronfez.net has never been better. Why would anyone disparage the sense of community, and sometimes family, that we have here. There is plenty focused on the show. In fact the listening threads have been a HUGE success, drawing thousands of views, and new members every day.
But when you communicate with people, every day, for 3, 4, 5 or more years, friendships will be forged. Our outings are always a success and nobody ever has a bad word to say. For newer members coming out and putting a face and a voice to a screen name is really cool. Do you think 5 years ago I would have had you hooligans, and a rock band over to my house? (Where my kids play!!)

And for the record, the current staff of mods and admins are doing a bang-up job. As short as we are, not much gets by. Unlike the "Good Old Days", there is actually a lot less moderating to be done. Our membership is the most courteous, good natured, and funny of any board out there.


My 2 pence.


Tub.

[moochcassidy]

Dude, that is just mean. On behalf of my homeboy Mooch...

http://www.instapunk.com/images/MoonLeprechaun.png

sir, never bear your arse before an irishman

it just confuses things

[Leticia]

Yea, I don't think that there is not enough ron and fez stuff on this board.

There's plenty of it. Just because every thread isn't directly related to the show, doesn't mean it's not enough.

There are plenty of specific threads for the show. The listening threads are probably what take up most of the peoples opinions and feelings about the show. Maybe that's why it seems like there is less ron fez on here. But it's a lot and pretty damn good in my opinion.

I'm out of it.. I hope this made sense.

[mikeyboy]

I love Ron and Fez.

I love RonFez.Net.

I love my fellow members.

I love Mikeyboy and JustJon (Pantera too, but he's MIA)

I love all the moderators.

And I'm certainly not criticizing anyone. I'm merely pointing out that there was a time when the main focus of this messageboard was the Ron and Fez show. It no longer is. As I stated previously, this is completely understandable because we have such a wonderful little community here. A lot of the members have become close "real-life" friends from this place, some have even become lovers and spouses. I would never classify that as a bad thing.

I do think, however, that a lot more nonsense is tolerated as opposed to the earlier days of the board. Mojo pointed out that there were more "vacations" and threads lockings in the earlier days and he chose to see that as a sign that people are more respectful these days. I'm merely saying I see it as a willingness by those who have control over those things to let it go.

Again, these are just my opinions, and I don't take an opposing point of view as someone "bashing" me in any way. Since day 1 I've always stated that at its best, this site is a reflection of the show we all love: some serious conversation, some drama, and a whole lot of ball busting and nonsense.

Please don't misinterpret anything I've said as a desire on my part to start trouble and have people choosing sides.

Love you all,

Uncle G

I appreciate the clarification. I'd like to address a couple of your points.

Site focus: I feel a little odd admitting this, but I'm somewhat anal-retentive about checking on how this site is doing. I check daily traffic. I keep an eye on the number of active threads and the number of active threads devoted to Ron & Fez. I check the number of file library downloads. I check the number of gallery views. I check the number of people online. What I'm saying beyond admitting that I'm some website stat nerd is that I have a pretty good idea how much focus of the site is on the Ron & Fez Show. Over the last year and a half, the number of threads devoted to the show has grown. It's greater than it's been at any time with the possible exception of the heyday of WNEW. If you look at the first page of the Everything Ron & Fez forum, it usually takes less than 24 hours for a thread to get bumped to the second page. Granted, some of those threads are troll threads of the "ESD is a douche" variety, but the forum is still incredibly active. Also, I don't want to compare us to other sites, but, without doing a specific thread/post count, it appears that our "Everything Ron & Fez" forum is more active than any of the other boards with Ron & Fez forums. (The FBA listening threads have recently blown past ours and Wackbag's though). The site may not seem to be as focused on Ron & Fez as it once was, but I think that's because the site has grown in so many other areas, so there are lots of threads that aren't devoted to the show. As Mojo pointed out, that's what happens when a forum grows and members get to know each other.

As for conduct being tolerated, we do try to adhere to the standards that the board has always followed. We're certainly not perfect. During the Reilly/Alkey drama, we kind of let go of the reins of the site for a day to let everyone vent and then went back to business as usual. Under the circumstances, it seemed like the right thing to do. More recently, the board went a little haywire over the O&A suspension, with people taking sides on how best to react. The entire staff tried to maintain order and get people to respect each other, but tensions and passions ran high, so civility was difficult to maintain. I'm not trying to make excuses. Rather, I'm trying to identify times when we weren't able to adhere to the conduct standards of the board. Maybe there are more, but that's where some of the responsibility falls on the members. We don't read all of the threads in real time. We can't. It's just not possible. If you see a problem, report the post and we'll act if appropriate. I know a couple of you will complain that you did so and no action was taken, but in many cases, the offending party has been dealt with off board and we don't make a public pronunciation of our handling of it.

Just my 2 cents.

[lleeder]

Mikey your attention to detail and love for this board must be commended. Thanks for all the work you do.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

What's this "show" you guys keep talking about? Isn't everyone here for the cat pics?

[Tenbatsuzen]

As for conduct being tolerated, we do try to adhere to the standards that the board has always followed. We're certainly not perfect. During the Reilly/Alkey drama, we kind of let go of the reins of the site for a day to let everyone vent and then went back to business as usual. Under the circumstances, it seemed like the right thing to do. More recently, the board went a little haywire over the O&A suspension, with people taking sides on how best to react. The entire staff tried to maintain order and get people to respect each other, but tensions and passions ran high, so civility was difficult to maintain. I'm not trying to make excuses. Rather, I'm trying to identify times when we weren't able to adhere to the conduct standards of the board. Maybe there are more, but that's where some of the responsibility falls on the members. We don't read all of the threads in real time. We can't. It's just not possible. If you see a problem, report the post and we'll act if appropriate. I know a couple of you will complain that you did so and no action was taken, but in many cases, the offending party has been dealt with off board and we don't make a public pronunciation of our handling of it.

Just my 2 cents.

hey, mooch and I are friendly now. Really. We are.

[weekapaugjz]

Mikey your attention to detail and love for this board must be commended. Thanks for all the work you do.

seconded. ALL HAIL SAINT MIKEYBOY OF THE INTERNETS!

[Tenbatsuzen]

What's this "show" you guys keep talking about? Isn't everyone here for the cat pics?

I hate you with the power of a billion Nazis.

[Bulldogcakes]

There's nothing wrong with this board that banning Bob Impact for life wont fix.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I hate you with the power of a billion Nazis.
Why thank you my good sir, I see why this board is the friendliest place on the net :wink:

But seriously, I love this board and everybody here and especially the show. I honestly like all the quirks and like that its not an ultra polished production. Who cares about mic levels, songs or bumpers or whatever you call them being exactly on que. I think it makes it all the more fun. I would not change a thing about the show (not even Earl) and I would not change a thing about RF.net.

except maybe to bring back the white text

[moochcassidy]

hey, mooch and I are friendly now. Really. We are.

"matthew is awesome".

i stand by that

[STC-Dub]

First, Ron and Fez need to be on the air more. I think the quality of the XM show was a little better when the boys had two shows; it is hard to explain, but it just felt like with 2 shows things flowed a little better, and with the FM show, the XM show was more "natural", less inhibited. Second, I am not sure anything can be done for Fez, but it would be great if he could regain his form from a few years ago. Not to criticize Fez -- though my spelling on the other hand... ---but listening to the old shows Fez is just not who he was a few years back, but there are glimpses, like the other day when Fez ran the show basically. A little less of the on-air staff criticism would also be nice. Still, it is a great show, so if nothing changes that would be just fine with me.

[S0S]

ronfez.net is a beautiful board/site.

fyi: 20 vs 25 ppp

[Mafialife Chris]

See, I have to disagree! This is one of the best run messageboards, IMO out of the bunch.

Lets see... spreadtheiris had a whole thread that ESD was arrested, for assaulting a cop outside of bar 9, from "Repubtable Sources"

FBA had one of their own mods start an anonymous shit-stirring thread saying horrible things about Casey (and he was her friend IRL too)

WB let a similar thread about Casey go on for way too long, which started tons of shit. Not to mention the shit that goes on there regarding Dave (posting almost his entire address, phone #, etc)

Not to mention the horrific sig pics that take up half the page, and having to sort through a million slip in a puddle of aids ramooone frunkisss comments.

Just a few examples of many. That shit doesn't fly here, and while those boards have their purpose, I like the flow here better, and think this site is more all-around respectful and moderated as such.

I also think that rf.net interacts with the show in more of a fan based manner, rather than an attention seeking manner, which I like.

I see you pinpointed the 1% negative threads, good eye.
Still love you, and let me say right now, despite ANY on air bullshit, i am VERY loyal to RonFez.net!
To me, you guys are the Godfather of RnF Websites, and STI is like a Capo or an Underboss!
PS: i really admire how this thread stayed constructional and not bashing. good work guys/gals!

see-ya!

[Mafialife Chris]

I appreciate the clarification. I'd like to address a couple of your points.

(snip)

Just my 2 cents.

Hi partner! lol

[Fez4PrezN2008]

[quote=MafiaLifeChris;1362931]...To me, you guys are the Godfather of RnF Websites...quote]
dats cuz we all got robot arms here :wink:

[weekapaugjz]

dats cuz we all got robot arms here :wink:

robot arms rule!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2005/04/050427094626.jpg

[FezPaul]

But seriously,
except maybe to bring back the white text

Try the veal.

[JPMNICK]

I also think that since FBA and STI started, as well as wackbags forum, the fans are more spread out than they were in the WNEW days.

And with people feeling loyal to one board, it does create factions. the funny thing is that it is usually not the Mods or Site admins that have the problem with the other boards, but uber members who take it too far. I think in general that reflects poorly on all the boards, not just this one.

And chris made a GREAT point that should not be overlooked. This thread is 6 pages and has stayed a very civil discussion. No real name calling or anything along those lines, and I feel that is what makes this board great. Just like family, we may disagree, but we do not have to get brutal with each other to make a point.

[Zorro]

I wonder if this is going to be Harry situation again, where they come back from vacation and suddenly, one of the key members just isn't there anymore. Is it Earl's time for a walk-about?

Will they be back?

[Marc with a c]

i just read this entire thread, every word.

[Gvac]

i just read this entire thread, every word.

You're a better man than me.

I couldn't get through two sentences of mikeyboy's manifestos before I started hearing Charlie Brown's teacher in my head.

[drjoek]

You're a better man than me.

I couldn't get through two sentences of mikeyboy's manifestos before I started hearing Charlie Brown's teacher in my head.

I always found Charlies teacher hard to understand when I was a Kid

But we didnt have a real nice TV So its probably just me

[MadMatt]

You're a better man than me.

I couldn't get through two sentences of mikeyboy's manifestos before I started hearing Charlie Brown's teacher in my head.

Do you know how to how to spell ADD?

:happy:

[mikeyboy]

When did this thread focus change from criticism of the board to a big, gay, naked hug?

[Marc with a c]

sorry mikey

[Gvac]

This board stinks!

The admins stink!

Boo!

Boo!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/muppetry.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Sacrifice the old man to appease the gods!

[MadMatt]

Sacrifice the old man to appease the gods!

I have this nifty hat that I "found." Maybe we could throw that in for good measure.

[Gvac]

I have this nifty hat that I "found." Maybe we could throw that in for good measure.

You heartless bastard!!!

[MadMatt]

You heartless bastard!!!

:lol:

Love 'ya Big G!

[TheMojoPin]

You heartless bastard!!!

You hatless bastard!!!

!!!!!!

!

[mikeyboy]

You hatless bastard!!!

!!!!!!

!

http://surrealsymphony.com/meewuargh/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/hbl-muttley.jpg

[SatCam]

http://www.a-1video.com/Porky%20Pig.jpg

Tha-tha-tha-that's all folks!

[Ritalin]

Do you know how to how to spell ADD?

:happy:

I do!

[Mike Teacher]

the O+A staff should shut of the mics during break before discussing the hiring of a past producer as consultant to the show.

[mikeyboy]

the O+A staff should shut of the mics during break before discussing the hiring of a past producer as consultant to the show.

Do tell...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Rick, Ben, or Stinky? Obviously Spaz isn't coming back.

[cupcakelove]

I thought this thread was going to be about mooch going through puberty.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://www.earache.com/WickedWorld/interview/malcolm_dome/BLACK_SABBATH.jpg

"I'm going through changes..."

[JPMNICK]

the O+A staff should shut of the mics during break before discussing the hiring of a past producer as consultant to the show.

consultant to the R&F show or the O&A show?

[deliciousV]

WTF? So far this thread has a worse ending than the Soprano's, Cue Journey, I'm fuckin starvin, we got any onion rings.

What ex producer?.......finish a thought.......please...........

[mikeyboy]

the O+A staff should shut of the mics during break before discussing the hiring of a past producer as consultant to the show.

wait.... *snap* oooooooooh....... hmmmmmmmmm

[Tenbatsuzen]

wait.... *snap* oooooooooh....... hmmmmmmmmm

Dukes.

[Don Stugots]

3) Find someone who has a promotional/marketing background to handle paperwork, setting up gigs, and making sure site checks and non-on-air stuff is handled. That CAN be a friend of the show. Someone who has a history with the show. Who can it beeeeeee

MIKEYBOY!

[Ritalin]

MIKEYBOY!

They can't afford Mikeyboy.

[Don Stugots]

We can dream cant we?

[Ritalin]

We can dream cant we?

No you can't. I'm his agent, and I reserve the right to dream for us.

We dream....that they can't afford him.

[buzzard]

Two things I definitely agree with;Ron IS laffing @ us,Earl has a job...not a career & The McDonalds' are happily married. Ohh wait that's three isn't it?

[ryno1974]

Come on guys, lease tell me you that you understand the "Earl fucked up" thing i a bit. You are starting to scare me with how literally you all take the show. Earl's JOB is to be that guy they pick on. I highly doubt any of you on here have any idea if Earl is doing a good job or not with the technical stuff - when's the last time any of you actually worked in radio? And by work I dont mean sitting in your parents basement reading fangoria magazine and listening to XM radio on a friday night.

Come on guys, get with it! all the buddays are hilarious, regardless of what role they are asked to play.

Long live R&F!

FIRE O&A AND GIVE 202 TO THE BUDDAYS!

[RENFIELD]

EVERYONE knows that earl should be given orders, NOT giving them !
i find his fuck-ups entertaining, when called out on them by listeners and the hosts.

earl is not an idea man, not motivated... not into details...
but i laugh at him as much as any other bit...

if they true-ly wanted him out... he'd be gone...
i recommend one of 2 ways...
promote him to another department, where you won't have him involved in any part of the show... and if someone else fires him... NOT YOUR PROBLEM...

or do what OPIE die...
recommend him to someone else...
there's a new saturday midnight show that might need a producer....

[sailor]

in defense of earl:

ron was livid with him the last studio show for talking back to the listener. i know it's earl's role to get slammed on, but this came across as super-real. i heard the replay today and the listener wasn't just comparing faith in the easter bunny to earl's faith in god, as ronnie was saying. the listener said that he was lazy and never told the truth so he was fit for earl's job. earl had every right to slam that guy. if the guy said it to dave, dave would have called him son of cock and we'd have all had a hearty chuckle over it.

[moochcassidy]

i dont have a problem with earl slammin listeners..its the only funny thing hes contributed in 2 years.

which is why he has to go.

[Gvac]

There's been a host of reasons why the Ron and Fez show has been on edge of late - Fez's health, Dave's nuptials, Earl's lack of competence and honesty, the Pitzy/Lilly/Jonathan situation, etc. This vacation could not have come at a better time. Whether you choose to believe Ron's blowup the day before the wedding was "all a bit" or not, tensions are running high in the studio.

I'm sure once everyone returns refreshed and well rested, some things are going to be looked at long and hard and some tough decisions are going to have to be made.

One thing I've learned from my years as a fan of this show is that nothing is written in stone and no one lasts forever. The "cruel circus" that is the Ron and Fez show rolls along without stopping to break for those who have a hard time keeping up.

While I'm not guaranteeing major changes, I wouldn't be surprised if some are made.

And soon.

[sailor]

didn't think it was a bit at all.

[Gvac]

didn't think it was a bit at all.

I'd bet my left arm it wasn't.

There are some people who think everything Ronnie does is a ruse, though.

[sailor]

I'd bet my left arm it wasn't.

There are some people who think everything Ronnie does is a ruse, though.

we were only doing a ruse!

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Conisdering how awkward that last half hour of the show was after Ron's blow up, I can't believe that it was entirely a bit. Maybe Ron decided to keep going rather than calm down like he might have in real life, but it felt as real as Fez crying to me.

I obviously have nothing to back this up, but my gut feeling is that when they get back from vacation none other than JDubs will be sitting in the producer's chair.

[RENFIELD]

hey everybody.. cut ron some slack...

if you remember... he 'carried' 24 hours of xm on his back for
most of the 30 days... in addition to worrying about fez...
(fez is family to us.. imagine what ron was going thru)

xm should cut him a nice piece of change as a bonus...
for keeping 202 afloat... single-handedly...

the guy goes off?
i'm surprised he lasted as long as he did...
without exploding...

a little EXTRA congtribution would have eased his load a bit
or maybe it wouldn't...

as far as earl slamming listeners...
bit or not... evil earl is still funny
even as the recipient of ron's wrath...

ever notice that in a day or 2 they talk about a topic
and ron and earl talk like friends?

subtract earl and his mistakes/lies from the show
and it's missing something...
BALLBUSTER SUPREME RON BENNINGTON NOT HAVING A TARGET

[furie]

well, if i had to make a change; then yes, i'd move earl off of the show all together. move him to the 80's or 90's channels or some other all music channel since that's his training and strong point. Hit's music though, not indie.

[Death Metal Moe]

hey everybody.. cut ron some slack...



What are you talking about? Ron is the one we're worrying about the most here, and the one being cut the most slack. And rightly so.

Everyone in here has cut Ron slack. He's been carrying an entire fucking channel on his back for over a month. And I say mostly him just because of Fez's illness. But it's usually the both of them keeping it fun and professional in the wake of whatever happens to them personally and professionally.

I think that what we hear everyday is a perfect blend of bit and reality. Basically it's the truth exaggerated to a more fun degree. So with that in mind, Earl has some problem areas but generally does his job well. Dave can get emotional but generally does his job well to. Same basically goes for all staff and current interns.

But it's no fun to talk logically. If these threads always ended up saying "But we know the show is great and we're gonna stop complaining and talking about it" the board would die.

[Death Metal Moe]

OH, and I just wanted to add that last night was the 1st time I got to hear Monday's replay where the "Major Changes" discussion took place and the "Ron Blow up" occured.

It wasn't a bit in the least. Ron was fucking pissed and just couldn't deal with it, which says VOLUMES about how pissed he was. He's the guy that holds it together through all this shit.

Even the tone in Fez's voice change dramatically. It was no bit in my opinion.

And the vibe was very different when they came back from the akward break.

I am ALWAYS entertained by the Ron and Fez show, no matter what seems to be happening around them. I just hope that if the show needs internal changes for everyone involved to stay more sane, then let them happen, whatever they may be.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I say let Ron chase Wickland down the street holding a phone.

[JPMNICK]

I say let Ron chase Wickland down the street holding a phone.

that's a hsyterical call back

[RENFIELD]

OH,

Even the tone in Fez's voice change dramatically. It was no bit in my opinion.
.


yeah.. i noticed that too...

and i meant 'cut ron some slack'
for finally reaching a deserved breaking point...

[docloren]

Ron and Fez will never fire Earl, and Earl will never quit, so good or bad, Earl is going nowhere.

[T-MuG]

Give Earl a BRC channel so he can play Living Colour to his hearts content. I've always liked Earl as a punching bag on the show, but I can't count the number of times he has screwed up lately. I've been shocked for quite a while at how often you can hear the call screeners bleeding into the show. He loves to take responsibility whenever there's a problem, then imply it was someone else's fault. All this could be forgiven if he occasionally would say something funny, but he has all the wit of a genital wart.

Now to Dave. I think he's been the best on-air personality on the show since Billy Staples. That being said, he should have at least got a 30 day suspension, if not been fired, for the way he talked to his boss the other day. And this is coming from a union man who almost never sides with management. Earl was a douche for sending that email, but the lack of punishment for the publicly flogging just shows how little respect anyone involved has for Earl.

Fez is a mess and I don't know what's going to happen with him. It's like having to face his own mortality has driven him over the edge. He's almost completely lost his sense of humor and I hope he can learn to accept his situation and get it back together. Hoping for a pill to take care of his problems is just setting him up for more disappointment. Nobody gets out of here alive Fezzy, so enjoy the time you've got left is my advice - and I am a self-proclaimed genius.

[Dash77]

Maybe if Earl drops the man in black angle it will change his out look & work proformance & attidude..

[Death Metal Moe]

yeah.. i noticed that too...

and i meant 'cut ron some slack'
for finally reaching a deserved breaking point...

Oh, sorry bro. I got your point now.

Yea, we're all astonished Ron has held it together this long. I mean even old fans who have seen him go through all the shit he has, this has just been the MOST trying time I've ever seen the show go through.

Granted I haven't heard much of the DC days, but they eventually got into a groove down there.

[ryno1974]

Earl rules, you guys would have nothing to micro-manage if he were gone. Who would you madly type witty observations about at 3 am if it weren't for Earl?

Ron and Fez are incredible professionals, and they know what makes good radio. They know that hey have the XM world by the balls right now, and are just waiting for dickhead and looser (the white supremists on the morning show) to finally jam their foots so far down their on throats they choke on it and are out of the picture. Then the hideout guys can come on board and 202 will be a respectable channel to listen to 24/7, and we will no longer have to plan our listening schedule around noon and midnight.

[JPMNICK]

Earl rules, you guys would have nothing to micro-manage if he were gone. Who would you madly type witty observations about at 3 am if it weren't for Earl?

Ron and Fez are incredible professionals, and they know what makes good radio. They know that hey have the XM world by the balls right now, and are just waiting for dickhead and looser (the white supremists on the morning show) to finally jam their foots so far down their on throats they choke on it and are out of the picture. Then the hideout guys can come on board and 202 will be a respectable channel to listen to 24/7, and we will no longer have to plan our listening schedule around noon and midnight.

interesting take on things, I think you hit it right on the head when you talked about how R&F can not wait for their friends in the morning who brought them onto XM to blow up. and as much as i love the hideout, if you think they are even in the same league as O&A you are crazy. they are a great show, and i enjoy it whenever i get a chance to listen, but they still have some work to do before they can be considered as a replacement for O&A or R&F on XM

[TheMojoPin]

I think Gvac is a ruse.

[sailor]

interesting take on things, I think you hit it right on the head when you talked about how R&F can not wait for their friends in the morning who brought them onto XM to blow up. and as much as i love the hideout, if you think they are even in the same league as O&A you are crazy. they are a great show, and i enjoy it whenever i get a chance to listen, but they still have some work to do before they can be considered as a replacement for O&A or R&F on XM

heck, didn't ct&jivin go over better than them? i know people liked both, but i thought they won more hearts over.

[Don Stugots]

heck, didn't ct&jivin go over better than them? i know people liked both, but i thought they won more hearts over.

that jivin makes me all tingly inside.

[JPMNICK]

heck, didn't ct&jivin go over better than them? i know people liked both, but i thought they won more hearts over.

I don't know, that is an interesting point. how would we even know? do those kind of things show up in arbitron ratings since it is such a short time, or is it all based on feedback and emails

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't know, that is an interesting point. how would we even know? do those kind of things show up in arbitron ratings since it is such a short time, or is it all based on feedback and emails

How many shows did CT and Jivin do on K-Rock? A week's worth? If that?

Probably wouldn't show up. Arbitron ratings are inexact as is, to zero in on a specific time is needle in a haystack.

[C_T]

We did 2 shows. April 10th + May 11th.

[sailor]

I don't know, that is an interesting point. how would we even know? do those kind of things show up in arbitron ratings since it is such a short time, or is it all based on feedback and emails

i'm just saying from banter i heard from folks here. very unscientific. more reviews than ratings. i also thought ron might have said something similar on the air at one point. i MAY have been smokin' crack, tho'.

[Bulldogcakes]

I'd bet my left arm it wasn't.

There are some people who think everything Ronnie does is a ruse, though.

I don't think so either, the shows Ron was doing w/o Fez he was sounding angrier and angrier every day. Frankly, I've never heard him so stressed out. Plus, the people surrounding the show have a certain shelf life, and Dave might be reaching the end of his.

I don't think Earl goes, though. Ron has beat the crap out of every producer they've ever had, from Dumpy to Al Dukes to Earl. I don't take any of the Earl bashing seriously. However, if Lilly wants the job its hers in a nanosecond.

[Tenbatsuzen]

We did 2 shows. April 10th + May 11th.

Well, two more than me. We should try to open the Drug Dealer Day Camp.

[mikeyboy]

I don't think so either, the shows Ron was doing w/o Fez he was sounding angrier and angrier every day. Frankly, I've never heard him so stressed out. Plus, the people surrounding the show have a certain shelf life, and Dave might be reaching the end of his.

I'll bet you're wrong. If there is a change, I'd stake an awful lot that it isn't Dave. Dave isn't showing the signs off stress leading up to an exit, and he appears to still be happy to be there.

As for the "shelf life" comment, R&F have a reputation for grinding all of their producers down, and the high turnover rate would support that, but it's a little inaccurate. You need to remember that only a handful of producers have decided to leave the show as it is for one reason or another -- Al Dukes, Dumpy (and frankly I'm not even clear on this one), Harry and Wonderboy come to mind. It's not an easy job, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Other producers have left for reasons unrelated to the show itself: J Dubs left because the Hideout got an opportunity in Orlando, El Jefe left to focus on the Hideout, Giant Brian started interviewing elsewhere because of the uncertainty of what was going on with R&F on WJFK, and Billy, Mikey D, Rory Hamptons, and the Hawk were all forced out when WJFK decided not to keep on the NY crew.

So, what, if anything, is going to happen? I have no idea. Regardless, whatever happens, it will still be the Ron & Fez Show (note the 2 key elements in the title), which has succeeded in providing an extremely entertaining show regardless of the changes/drama it goes through.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'll bet you're wrong. If there is a change, I'd stake an awful lot that it isn't Dave. Dave isn't showing the signs off stress leading up to an exit, and he appears to still be happy to be there.

As for the "shelf life" comment, R&F have a reputation for grinding all of their producers down, and the high turnover rate would support that, but it's a little inaccurate. You need to remember that only a handful of producers have decided to leave the show as it is for one reason or another -- Al Dukes, Dumpy (and frankly I'm not even clear on this one), Harry and Wonderboy come to mind. It's not an easy job, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Other producers have left for reasons unrelated to the show itself: J Dubs left because the Hideout got an opportunity in Orlando, El Jefe left to focus on the Hideout, Giant Brian started interviewing elsewhere because of the uncertainty of what was going on with R&F on WJFK, and Billy, Mikey D, Rory Hamptons, and the Hawk were all forced out when WJFK decided not to keep on the NY crew.

So, what, if anything, is going to happen? I have no idea. Regardless, whatever happens, it will still be the Ron & Fez Show (note the 2 key elements in the title), which has succeeded in providing an extremely entertaining show regardless of the changes/drama it goes through.

I thought out of all of them, Rory was invited down to DC, but he wanted to stay in NYC?

Kris actually landed on his feet; I know he's producing for Air American, and I recently heard his name dropped on WFAN.

The thing is, which I've reiterated, is that it's not just R&F having a high turnover rate; radio itself has a high turnover rate. The pay for a producer cannot be good.

I remember reading somewhere that Gary Dell'abate made about 200K at the height of Howard's popularity. Now, that's the most famous personality in the world. As much as we love Ron and Fez, they were a nighttime/mid-day show. Adjust accordingly.

[MadMatt]

So, will any of you "insiders" know anything before the end of vacation or will we all find out when R&F hit the airwaves on July 9th?

And if you do know anything, will you be allowed to talk about it?

[sailor]

ron and fez say they've never fired anyone and i can't see earl giving up the gig, so i predict no change.

[MadMatt]

ron and fez say they've never fired anyone and i can't see earl giving up the gig, so i predict no change.

Ron & Fez are the talent while Wiki is the XM corporate boss - it would be his job to fire Earl. So what they say would still be true; they aren't the ones that fire Earl but he will still be gone.

[mikeyboy]

I thought out of all of them, Rory was invited down to DC, but he wanted to stay in NYC?


He may have been. I don't know for sure. Regardless, it's irrelevant to my comments. I was arguing that the common misconception is that R&F use up their producers and wera them down until they can't do their job anymore. Regardless of which story is true, Rory still doesn't fall in that category.

[sailor]

Ron & Fez are the talent while Wiki is the XM corporate boss - it would be his job to fire Earl. So what they say would still be true; they aren't the ones that fire Earl but he will still be gone.

ok, more accurately, they said none of their producers were fired. sheesh, what's with the nit-pickin'? :)

[Tenbatsuzen]

He may have been. I don't know for sure. Regardless, it's irrelevant to my comments. I was arguing that the common misconception is that R&F use up their producers and wera them down until they can't do their job anymore. Regardless of which story is true, Rory still doesn't fall in that category.

Miss competent, non-outrageous producers.

Maybe that's another thing about the show - they need two competent producers who don't need airtime - the "Rory" and "Hawk" archtypes - and two on-air producers who are "outrageous" but good at doing certain aspects of the job. The "Dukes" and "Staples" archetypes.

I think Earl and Dave fill the Dukes and Staples archtypes. But they need someone to fill the Rory and Hawk roles. Pepper seems like he's trying to become a New Hawk - but where Pitzy falls into this equation, I'm not sure. Ron seems to be riding him hard, and I'm not sure if he's trying to motivate him, or it's just a bit. I've never heard Ron critique someone's job performance as much as he's done to Pitzy in such a short time.

[JPMNICK]

Miss competent, non-outrageous producers.

Maybe that's another thing about the show - they need two competent producers who don't need airtime - the "Rory" and "Hawk" archtypes - and two on-air producers who are "outrageous" but good at doing certain aspects of the job. The "Dukes" and "Staples" archetypes.

I think Earl and Dave fill the Dukes and Staples archtypes. But they need someone to fill the Rory and Hawk roles. Pepper seems like he's trying to become a New Hawk - but where Pitzy falls into this equation, I'm not sure. Ron seems to be riding him hard, and I'm not sure if he's trying to motivate him, or it's just a bit. I've never heard Ron critique someone's job performance as much as he's done to Pitzy in such a short time.

Well Pitzy has been there for over a year I think, so he is not new to the show in that aspect. he has only been a paid employee for a few months though. but i do agree that in the term that he has been paid, he has been ridden harder than most of the others.

[MadMatt]

ok, more accurately, they said none of their producers were fired. sheesh, what's with the nit-pickin'? :)

Sorry - I wasn't trying to nit-pick. I guess I was too wrapped up in semantics.

I see Earl's refusal to quit bringing about his forced termination. He won't do what's best for the show so they will be forced to take action.

I can also see Earl being demoted or transferred instead of fired. New energy for the show means a new EP with less baggage, more ability, and fresh ideas. However, Earl does have some technical skills and musical knowledge that might be useful elsewhere.

[mikeyboy]

Miss competent, non-outrageous producers.


If this turns into another post about how you're the answer to the show's problems, I'll ban you for a week just on priniciple.

[MadMatt]

Miss competent, non-outrageous producers.

Maybe that's another thing about the show - they need two competent producers who don't need airtime - the "Rory" and "Hawk" archtypes - and two on-air producers who are "outrageous" but good at doing certain aspects of the job. The "Dukes" and "Staples" archetypes.

I think Earl and Dave fill the Dukes and Staples archtypes. But they need someone to fill the Rory and Hawk roles. Pepper seems like he's trying to become a New Hawk - but where Pitzy falls into this equation, I'm not sure. Ron seems to be riding him hard, and I'm not sure if he's trying to motivate him, or it's just a bit. I've never heard Ron critique someone's job performance as much as he's done to Pitzy in such a short time.

But Earl is HORRIBLE on air. I can't stand listening to him. The only time he is relatively entertaining is when they are talking about religion; Ron just leaves Earl twisting in his dogma.

I know some of you guys like Earl on air, but I simply don't. If he would be quiet I think it would go a long way toward improving his perfomance. Focus on being a board-op and stay off the air.

[Marc with a c]

i think matty fridays would make a perfect fit.

he is a smart dresser, and talks alot about radio.

[MadMatt]

i think matty fridays would make a perfect fit.

he is a smart dresser, and talks alot about radio.

That's just mean. Quit teasing the poor guy...

:tongue:

[JPMNICK]

Sorry - I wasn't trying to nit-pick. I guess I was too wrapped up in semantics.

I see Earl's refusal to quit bringing about his forced termination. He won't do what's best for the show so they will be forced to take action.

I can also see Earl being demoted or transferred instead of fired. New energy for the show means a new EP with less baggage, more ability, and fresh ideas. However, Earl does have some technical skills and musical knowledge that might be useful elsewhere.

when you are as funny as R&F, a shitty EP does not matter. they might not have a lot of produced bits, or guests, but they take what is in front of them and make it funny. I would go on a limb and say most listeners like to hear them beat the shit out of the producers instead of reading and commenting on a news story. they will not fire earl because they just use him as a punching bag.

if earl moves or gets fired, it comes right from DC. (my opinion, not in anyway a fact)

[mikeyboy]

if earl moves or gets fired, it comes right from DC. (my opinion, not in anyway a fact)

Spy Report: Nick says Earl is fired.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i think matty fridays would make a perfect fit.

he is a smart dresser, and talks alot about radio.

Much like Mikeyboy, they can no longer afford me.

[JPMNICK]

Spy Report: Nick says Earl is fired.

exactly what I was trying to avoid with the disclaimer. the last thing I need is for the whole O&A are def. fired type incident to come back to me. esp. now with all my forum mod inside info, I do not want anyone to think I leak all the stuff that is posted in the staff room.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If this turns into another post about how you're the answer to the show's problems, I'll ban you for a week just on priniciple.

I'm not. I have no clue to the inner workings of the show, I'd probably creep out most of the Ron and Fez girls (see: Charley Steiner on Melrose Place) and most people would hate to hear me on the air. The only thing I'd be good at is putting together events, and that is nowhere near a fulltime job with the show.

[mikeyboy]

I do not want anyone to think I leak all the stuff that is posted in the staff room.

Like anyone wants to see those pics of Fallon's ballsack.

[Tenbatsuzen]

But Earl is HORRIBLE on air. I can't stand listening to him. The only time he is relatively entertaining is when they are talking about religion; Ron just leaves Earl twisting in his dogma.

I know some of you guys like Earl on air, but I simply don't. If he would be quiet I think it would go a long way toward improving his perfomance. Focus on being a board-op and stay off the air.

Dukes wasn't that great on the air; it was the reactions and the smack that R&F would put on him that made for the great radio.

Dukes has actually matured a LOT in the five years since he was producer of the show.

[JPMNICK]

Much like Mikeyboy, they can no longer afford me.

i really find it sad that Dave, who is on air for at least 20% of the show most days and adds a lot, gets paid so shitty. although it may seem it, it is not a job you can just get anyone to do. it is a skilled job just like being a programmer or a financier. but you could not just grab 5 people off the street and have them do what dave does. the poor guy can not even afford a nice apt for him and his new wife.

and that is a fucking shame about Gary only making 200k a year when howard was making 20 MILLION a year. these fucking corporate radio companies shit all over everyone, from the fans to the people that work for them.

[JPMNICK]

Dukes wasn't that great on the air; it was the reactions and the smack that R&F would put on him that made for the great radio.

Dukes has actually matured a LOT in the five years since he was producer of the show.

I think al was good on air, but never had a chance to get into any type of flow because they would take 12 phone calls per break with people just yelling at him.

[mikeyboy]

(see: Charley Steiner on Melrose Place)

I know it worked for you once on another board, but at this point you're stretching the reference.

[JPMNICK]

I know it worked for you once on another board, but at this point you're stretching the reference.

yea that one flew over my head, but I also never watched melrose place.

and mikey I thought fallon just showed us those pics, we were not supposed to bring that up.

[Fallon]

yea that one flew over my head, but I also never watched melrose place.

and mikey I thought fallon just showed us those pics, we were not supposed to bring that up.

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Quit talking about my balls!

[Tenbatsuzen]

i really find it sad that Dave, who is on air for at least 20% of the show most days and adds a lot, gets paid so shitty. although it may seem it, it is not a job you can just get anyone to do. it is a skilled job just like being a programmer or a financier. but you could not just grab 5 people off the street and have them do what dave does. the poor guy can not even afford a nice apt for him and his new wife.

and that is a fucking shame about Gary only making 200k a year when howard was making 20 MILLION a year. these fucking corporate radio companies shit all over everyone, from the fans to the people that work for them.


Nick, it's just not Dave. Or Earl. Pretty much everyone who works behind the scenes in radio is paid crap. Unless you are on-air or in sales, you don't make good money in radio. I can start quoting what my experiences has shown me, and I can tell you what I'm making now, but the difference is just ridiculous. The "real world" and the "radio world" pay two completely different salary structures.

I interviewed for a job in New York City. The job was similar to what I was doing at my old job. The only difference? The station was in New York and billed very well and it was part of a major media conglomerate.

The pay was 35 grand. This was not an entry level job. This job had no bonuses. And this job expected you to work six days a week, upwards of 50 hours.

You work in radio because you love to work in the media. Not because you expect to retire early.

[Fat_Sunny]

So, what, if anything, is going to happen? I have no idea. Regardless, whatever happens, it will still be the Ron & Fez Show (note the 2 key elements in the title), which has succeeded in providing an extremely entertaining show regardless of the changes/drama it goes through.

This Is All That Really Matters. F_S Hopes And Prays That MB Was Saying It With Authority.

The Rest Of The Supporting Cast Should And Will Change Over Time. As Long As There Was Norton And Kramden, There Was A Thriving Honeymooners; As Long As There Is Ron And Fez, Then There Will Be A Thriving Ron And Fez Show.

[JPMNICK]

Nick, it's just not Dave. Or Earl. Pretty much everyone who works behind the scenes in radio is paid crap. Unless you are on-air or in sales, you don't make good money in radio. I can start quoting what my experiences has shown me, and I can tell you what I'm making now, but the difference is just ridiculous. The "real world" and the "radio world" pay two completely different salary structures.

I interviewed for a job in New York City. The job was similar to what I was doing at my old job. The only difference? The station was in New York and billed very well and it was part of a major media conglomerate.

The pay was 35 grand. This was not an entry level job. This job had no bonuses. And this job expected you to work six days a week, upwards of 50 hours.

You work in radio because you love to work in the media. Not because you expect to retire early.

I think people on lily's level should be making more than 35k, so what dave and earl get paid would disgust me. and how do you not give out a bonus when the show goes from 18th place to 5th or something like that. cmon, you will be billing much more, spread the wealth a little.

[prothunderball]

I think people on lily's level should be making more than 35k, so what dave and earl get paid would disgust me.

I'm an idiot

[JPMNICK]

I'm fairly sure that at one point(possibly while he as drunk) Dave mentioned that **k is what he made. I could be wrong though.

i think i remember that too. i was trying not to post it here to protect him a little.

i am sure it was nice for him though when those 2 checks were coming in.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm fairly sure that at one point(possibly while he as drunk) Dave mentioned that 35k is what he made. I could be wrong though.

Considering what Dave has said he pays in rent, this would fall in line.

[prothunderball]

i think i remember that too. i was trying not to post it here to protect him a little.

i am sure it was nice for him though when those 2 checks were coming in.

oops. I guess I should have thought Dave might not want that posted, but now it's been quoted and it's too late. Though considering how much else he's let be known to the public I can only hope that doesn't upset him too much.

[JPMNICK]

oops. I guess I should have thought Dave might not want that posted, but now it's been quoted and it's too late. Though considering how much else he's let be known to the public I can only hope that doesn't upset him too much.

i am sure it is fine, he did bring it up on air, so at that point it is fair game

[mikeyboy]

I know what Dave has said, but delving this far into real life into what people make for some reason makes me a tad uncomfortable. It just feels like we're taking it all too seriously. I'm tapping out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know what Dave has said, but delving this far into real life into what people make for some reason makes me a tad uncomfortable. It just feels like we're taking it all too seriously. I'm tapping out.

You are right; I was just bringing up the number I was quoted in my interview for a comparitive basis.

[prothunderball]

I know what Dave has said, but delving this far into real life into what people make for some reason makes me a tad uncomfortable. It just feels like we're taking it all too seriously. I'm tapping out.

yeah, I apologize for mentioning it, it was just one of those things that stuck in my head when I heard it. Is there some way to go back and get rid of those posts? If not, I really am sorry that I brought it up.

[JPMNICK]

yeah, I apologize for mentioning it, it was just one of those things that stuck in my head when I heard it. Is there some way to go back and get rid of those posts? If not, I really am sorry that I brought it up.

you can go back and edit it, if not PM a mod to edit it for you

[Marc with a c]

i wonder what new messageboard they are going to pick to be their official unofficial board.

[mikeyboy]

i wonder what new messageboard they are going to pick to be their official unofficial board.

Everyone hates you.

Edit: especially Pixie

[Marc with a c]

Everyone hates you.

by tapping out do you mean leaving your computer and post from your blackberry?

edit: babylove loves colin alkey.

[mikeyboy]

by tapping out do you mean leaving your computer and post from your blackberry?


Wow. Using the knowledge I imparted on you against me. Now I have Gvac hate for you.

[Marc with a c]

Wow. Using the knowledge I imparted on you against me. Now I have Gvac hate for you.

you'll get yours

[JPMNICK]

you'll get yours

attack his nationality next!