High School Students Show Some Balls, Show Up President

[HBox]

High School students hand letter to President Bush urging end to torture and illegal detentions. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/)

President Bush was presented with a letter Monday signed by 50 high school seniors in the Presidential Scholars program urging a halt to "violations of the human rights" of terror suspects held by the United States.The White House said Bush had not expected the letter but took a moment to read it and talk with a young woman who handed it to him.

Good for them.

[Marc with a c]

fucking nerds

[PapaBear]

Good for them! But I didn't know high school kids still knew how to write letters.

[HBox]

Good for them! But I didn't know high school kids still knew how to write letters.

Well these are the 50 best high school students.

So they knew enough to ask an adult to write it for them.

[FUNKMAN]

torture and illegal detentions are fine, stop the fucking war

bring the boys and girls home

[scottinnj]

High School students hand letter to President Bush urging end to torture and illegal detentions. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/)



Good for them.


Although I believe these kids are wrong, I have to agree with you HBox, good for them.

They are standing up for what they believe in and expressing themselves without flipping over cars, burning portable toilets and shitting all over the Mall.

[Fezticle98]

In 4th grade I handed a petition to the principal to extend recess. She was pissed.

[lleeder]

One time in kindergarden I nailed my feces to the door.

[ShapopoJoe]

Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World

Shap

[scottinnj]

One time in kindergarden I nailed my feces to the door.

Happy Birthday lleeder!

[GordonGekko]

Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World

WTF, crazyness, differeing opinions is good and for once Highschool kids do something thats organized and well thought out, and You, call them children, That is the most adult thing to do, to have the balls to hand it directly to the prez. I am sorry, but that was gutzy, and admirable, good for them. We need more organized people willing to get off thier ass and do something for what they believe. So I say, you made a challenge, you now have one month from the 6/26/2007 to get 1000 letters from our troops that say just that. When you do that you can call those highschoolers children or what ever else you'd like.

[HBox]

WTF, crazyness, differeing opinions is good and for once Highschool kids do something thats organized and well thought out, and You, call them children, That is the most adult thing to do, to have the balls to hand it directly to the prez. I am sorry, but that was gutzy, and admirable, good for them. We need more organized people willing to get off thier ass and do something for what they believe. So I say, you made a challenge, you now have one month from the 6/26/2007 to get 1000 letters from our troops that say just that. When you do that you can call those highschoolers children or what ever else you'd like.

HEY! HE DIDN'T FIGHT IN THE MILITARY SO PEOPLE COULD SAY WHATEVER THEY LIKE!

[scottinnj]

Nuke the Mideast, Save the World.


Can I use that as a campaign slogan? Should work great with the ham 'n' eggers.

[HBox]

Nuke the cheerleader, save the world.

[scottinnj]

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Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World


WTF, crazyness, differeing opinions is good and for once Highschool kids do something thats organized and well thought out, and You, call them children, That is the most adult thing to do, to have the balls to hand it directly to the prez. I am sorry, but that was gutzy, and admirable, good for them. We need more organized people willing to get off thier ass and do something for what they believe. So I say, you made a challenge, you now have one month from the 6/26/2007 to get 1000 letters from our troops that say just that. When you do that you can call those highschoolers children or what ever else you'd like.









That's supposed to be a multi-quote, but I can't get the board to cooperate.
Anyway, I wonder what you guys would be challenging each other to do if it were the other way around.

Say for instance the students were giving President Bush a proclamation of praise and support and Gordon didn't like that.

Meanwhile Shapopo was praising these kids for being fine upstanding citizen and patriotic and all that and GordonGecko would be talking about how he could get 1000 letters from troops begging us to stop the war and shut down Gitmo.


It's all about perspective

[HBox]

We're all hypocrites to a degree. i wouldn't have posted it if they had done the opposite but I doubt I would have run the kids down if they had done. But who knows?

[scottinnj]

FUCK the cheerleader, save the world.

Fixed it for ya!

[scottinnj]

We're all hypocrites to a degree. i wouldn't have posted it if they had done the opposite but I doubt I would have run the kids down if they had done. But who knows?

You're right, and I am guilty of it too. Look at how many of my posts are just douchey because I just post whore with my gut reaction without thinking about what the original intention is to convey.

[GordonGekko]

Face it, almost any public event there is some youth or group or what ever giving the president a proclimation of doing a good job. Yes, it doesn't get covered but thats not the point. When young people do something encouraging like work together and it doesn't involve throwing rocks through a starbucks window i support it.

Still the clock starts today, i want to see 1000 letters.

[Bulldogcakes]

[QUOTE=HBox;1368752]High School students hand letter to President Bush urging end to torture and illegal detentions. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/)

So they want to end Trigonometry and staying after school?

[high fly]

Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World

Shap

It's more than just "a little sleep deprivation.
But you get props for making the argument that because those people are barbaric, then we should be barbaric too, so that no longer will we be any better than they are.

And I hope you have lots of children and teach them to not obey the law when you don't like it.
That will go a loooooong way toward making America better.



And of those 1,000 letters you can get from our troops, how many will be from professional interrogators?

If you want to debate the efficasy of torture, there's a half dozen or so I can quote back atcha.
I may start with THE INTERROGATORS Task Force 500 and America's Secret War Against Al Qaeda, by Chris Mackey and Greg Miller.
Mackey commanded interrogators in Afghanistan, and his experiences are what the book is about.
On pages 31-32, Mackey describes his training at Fort Huachuca, Arizona (bold emphasis added by me):

"Staff Sergeant Casey, our senior instructor, hammered home the idea that prisoners being tortured or mentally coerced will say anything, absolutely anything, to stop the pain. All of the instructors told us stories of the experiences of Army interrogators working in Vietnam alongside South Vietnamese units that would do the most unspeakable things to prisoners - take two of them up in a helicopter and shove one out the door, torture one of the prisoner's relatives right in front of him - and the squeals of anguish and false information that would flow. The goal of interrogation isn't just to get prisoners to talk, our instructors stressed, it's to get them to tell the truth."
Your local Borders or Barnes & Noble probably has a copy.



Here's another professional interrogator described in the February 2007 issue of Leatherneck magazine, the article titled, "The Gold Standard, Major Sherwood Moran and the Interrogation of Prisoners of War," by LtCol James B. Wilkinson, USMC (Ret) with Dick Camp on page 45.


In World War II, "Pappy" Moran landed on Guadalcanal with the 1st Marine Division as their Chief Interpreter. Here are some highlights from the article:

"Moran used his experiences in the campaign to write "Suggestions for Japanese Interpreters Working in the Field," which has become one of the "timeless documents" in the field and a "standard read" for insiders, according to the Marine Corps Interrogator Association (MCITTA), a group of active-duty and retired Marine intelligence personnel. MajGen Michael E. Ennis, former director of Marine Corps Intelligence, has gone even further, saying [B]Moran's reports are the "gold standard" of interrogation techniques...Moran believed that "despite the complexities and difficulties of dealing with an enemy from such a hostile and alien culture, some American interrogators consistently managed to extract useful information from prisoners. The successful interrogators all had one thing in common in the way they approached their subject. They were nice to them."he firmly believed "stripping a prisoner of his dignity, treating him as a still-dangerous threat, forcing him to stand at attention and flanking him with armed guards... invariably backfired."
In 1943, Moran wrote, "Without exception it has been demonstrated time and again that a 'human approach works."...
"...Capt. Moran forbade strong-arm methods, threats and contemptuousness. "You can get a 'confession' out of a man by bullying him, by practicing 'third degree' methods - but an intelligence officer is not interested in confessions," he said. "He is after information, and it has been demonstrated time and again that a human approach works best."

[A.J.]

High School students hand letter to President Bush urging end to torture and illegal detentions. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/)[/color][/size]

Was it signed "The Breakfast Club"?

[cupcakelove]

Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World

Shap

Strange, I thought we were better than the terrorists. The fact is, torture rarely provides reliable or legitimate information. You torture someone long enough, and they will tell you whatever you want. The problem with with Gitmo is not just the torture, people have been there for years without the government telling anyone, even the people being held, why they're there. Its wrong to just lock up human beings for a years at a time without reason. The fact that our country does things like this takes away our ability to argue that we are the good guys, and we only have the world's best interest in mind. It decreases our standing in the world.

[Midkiff]

Fuck em...I can get your 1000 letters from our troops that will say keep up the torture and confinement...They behead us and we give them a little sleep deprivation...what a joke...these CHILDREN are shockingly naive...

NUke the Mideast, Save the World

Shap

You're an idiot.

[Ritalin]

I thought that what those kids did was respectful to the Office of the President. They didn't call attention themselves, they delivered a hand written note, and when the President asked if he should read it, the student responded "That's up to you, Mr. President."

Perfectly appropriate and monumentally PATRIOTIC.

Interesting footnote: The young woman who actually handed the letter to the President is of Japanese descent, and her grandparents were interned during WWII.