Disgusting Chinese at it again...is there no end?

[FMJeff]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/china.tainted.food.ap/index.html

1) Mass slaughter of home pets
2) Force-feeding pigs waste water (human and industrial waste) through hoses shoved down thier throats to meet weight standards for slaughtering.
3) Replacing benign but expensive ingredients in human products with chemically similiar but biologically poisionous ingredients.

When is this government going to wake up? CHINA IS POISONING THIS COUNTRY ON PURPOSES TO MAKE A BUCK.

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

[Furtherman]

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040819/040819_yao_ming_vmed.widec.jpg

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[JPMNICK]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/china.tainted.food.ap/index.html

1) Mass slaughter of home pets
2) Force-feeding pigs waste water (human and industrial waste) through hoses shoved down thier throats to meet weight standards for slaughtering.
3) Replacing benign but expensive ingredients in human products with chemically similiar but biologically poisionous ingredients.

When is this government going to wake up? CHINA IS POISONING THIS COUNTRY ON PURPOSES TO MAKE A BUCK.

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

i have to kind of agree with jeff on here. there are hardly any regulations inside the country on how things are done, and then they ship that shit over here and expect us to consume it.

meanwhile 1 out of our 1.3 billion cows has a mad-cow scare and japan and china ban all imports of our beef, and do not quickly resume, in what I took as a way to put a financial hurt on that US industry and promote their own exporting of beef

Here is a link to the bad toothpaste they shipped over here probably from some filthy factory that is trying to squeeze every .002 cents out of every thing they manufacture.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/28/news/international/toothpaste_china/index.htm?postversion=2007062812

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know its unrelated to this thread but in my opinion, I see China as a threat. They own 700 billion dollars in US treasuries, We are all royally fucked if they decide to call in the debt. Also they artifically devalue their currency against ours, thus the hundreds of billions of dollars in the trade gap between the US and China. & They are selling weapons and technology to the Iranians.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

But where am I supposed to get my drink umbrellas?

http://www.plumparty.com/Merchant2/graphics/products/large/18630.jpg

It's NOT a party by Fuzzybutt without the drink umbrellas.

[RoseBlood]

This thread made me think of this documentary I saw: Mardi Gras: Made in China. If you haven't seen it I suggest you do.

[Fezticle98]

This thread made me think of this documentary I saw: Mardi Gras: Made in China. If you haven't seen it I suggest you do.

Made me think of this:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3377/junglezy4.jpg

If you haven't read it, I suggest you do. :tongue:

[RoseBlood]

Made me think of this:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3377/junglezy4.jpg

If you haven't read it, I suggest you do. :tongue:

oh my god! i read it in high school.. thanks for the memories :glurps:

[lleeder]

I saw at the Nassau Fair they are having pig races. Is that humaine or should I not attend?

[Fezticle98]

I saw at the Nassau Fair they are having pig races. Is that humaine or should I not attend?

Only if you can restrain yourself from eating the winner.

Not the pig, the owner.

[Fallon]

This shit wouldn't happen if we locked our doors.

[tele7]

Only if you can restrain yourself from eating the wiener.

Not the pig, the owner.

Fixed...I'm clever

[Gvac]

This shit wouldn't happen if we locked our doors.

Fucking awesome.

I bow to you Fallon.

[Gvac]

When is this government going to wake up? CHINA IS POISONING THIS COUNTRY ON PURPOSES TO MAKE A BUCK.

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

China is the main reason GM is still intact. They're selling millions of cars over there (mainly Buicks) and have begun using Chinese built engines in their vehicles over here.

We import so much shit from China our economy would be crippled if we placed an embargo on them.

[high fly]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/china.tainted.food.ap/index.html

1) Mass slaughter of home pets
2) Force-feeding pigs waste water (human and industrial waste) through hoses shoved down thier throats to meet weight standards for slaughtering.
3) Replacing benign but expensive ingredients in human products with chemically similiar but biologically poisionous ingredients.

When is this government going to wake up? CHINA IS POISONING THIS COUNTRY ON PURPOSES TO MAKE A BUCK.

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

Guess what they feed the fish they sell us to eat?
Chicken shit.
That's right, chicken shit.
The chicken cages are over the fish ponds and the fish eat the chicken shit that drops down.

[A.J.]

I guess that's worse than them stealing our military technology.

[JPMNICK]

they also kidnapped jack bauer

[Havenostaples]

That wastewater story makes me cringe. Its amazing they havent had more major health epidemics over here. If this shit makes it over here you can imagine how poor the stuff that stays there is.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1327721/2/istockphoto_1327721_general_tso_s_chicken.jpg

The gave us General Tso's Chicken, how can we be mad at them?

[scottinnj]

Thousands of tubes of contaminated Chinese-made toothpaste were shipped to state prisons and mental hospitals in Georgia.........



If I were the guy in charge of the loading dock at these places, I'd just turn my head and whistle a happy tune while the toothpaste went through my warehouse.:dry:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of the Chinese, anyone remember this commercial?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ojm1Xzwlc9Q

[FMJeff]

If I were the guy in charge of the loading dock at these places, I'd just turn my head and whistle a happy tune while the toothpaste went through my warehouse.:dry:

Ignoring the fact that they're mentally ill and/or criminals, you have no problem with foreign nationals poisoning American citizens? That aspect doesn't bother you?

You're an idiot.

[TheMojoPin]

Ignoring the fact that they're mentally ill and/or criminals, you have no problem with foreign nationals poisoning American citizens? That aspect doesn't bother you?

You're an idiot.

OK, can you at least try to have a debate above the level of a grumpy 10-year-old if someone disagrees with you?

[Furtherman]

http://a2.vox.com/6a00ccff86ba74985d00ccff8c970a6731-500pi

[FMJeff]

OK, can you at least try to have a debate above the level of a grumpy 10-year-old if someone disagrees with you?

That wasn't disagreement. That was ignorance. He's basically saying "sure, poison our people, who cares if they're criminals and headcases."

[TheMojoPin]

That wasn't disagreement. That was ignorance. He's basically saying "sure, poison our people, who cares if they're criminals and headcases."

So argue your point. Don't jump right to insults, especially when nobody has done the same to you. It was uncalled for and unecessary.

[FMJeff]

So argue your point. Don't jump right to insults, especially when nobody has done the same to you. It was uncalled for and unecessary.

Fine.

[Havenostaples]

So argue your point. Don't jump right to insults, especially when nobody has done the same to you. It was uncalled for and unecessary.

I enjoyed both the point and the insult.

[Dougie Brootal]

Fucking awesome.

I'll blow you Fallon.

EWWWWWW!

[FMJeff]

EWWWWWW!

You should've left the to, to insinuate GVAC was blowing his way to him. That means multiple dicks.

[Dougie Brootal]

You should've left the to, to insinuate GVAC was blowing his way to him. That means multiple dicks.

hahaha!! well, hindsight's 20/20!

[Bulldogcakes]

That wasn't disagreement. That was ignorance. He's basically saying "sure, poison our people, who cares if they're criminals and headcases."

Thats right! We're not supposed to be insulting criminals and headcases here, were supposed to insulting the 1.2 billion "Disgusting Chinese" people!

[DolaMight]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/china.tainted.food.ap/index.html

1) Mass slaughter of home pets
2) Force-feeding pigs waste water (human and industrial waste) through hoses shoved down thier throats to meet weight standards for slaughtering.
3) Replacing benign but expensive ingredients in human products with chemically similiar but biologically poisionous ingredients.

When is this government going to wake up? CHINA IS POISONING THIS COUNTRY ON PURPOSES TO MAKE A BUCK.

BAN ALL IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

They prefer to be called oriental you racist!!!!!!!!!!

[DolaMight]

disgusting chinese
stop being redundant

PS - my spell checker said the word chinese should be capitalized. I think not.

[HBox]

I had to do a double take when I saw this but on MSNBC.com there's a breaking news headline that says: "Former head of food and drug safety administration executed, China says"

Jesus H. Christ!

[HBox]

Here's the link. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686498/)

[PapaBear]

Here's the link. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686498/)
On the surface, it sounds brutal to execute someone for taking a bribe. However, the bribe resulted in 10 deaths. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but I can kinda see their point.

[HBox]

When I first saw the headline when there was no link I thought they just took the head of the food and druf agency and executed him for all the Chinese import problems we've been having. This makes a tiny tiny tiny bit more sense but shows the danger in ignoring all the social problems in China just because they've turned capitalist and sell cheap socks.

[scottinnj]

That wasn't disagreement. That was ignorance. He's basically saying "sure, poison our people, who cares if they're criminals and headcases."

It was also a joke.

Albeit a bad one. Waka Waka Waka.

[scottinnj]

Here's the link. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686498/)

How do the chinese execute anyway? Firing Squad? Gas? Old Sparky?

[Fez4PrezN2008]

How do the Chinese execute anyway? Firing Squad? Gas? Old Sparky?
Here's how they've been doing it for years...
Me Chinese, me play joke, me put pee pee in your coke

[PapaBear]

How do the chinese execute anyway? Firing Squad? Gas? Old Sparky?
Erecric chair.

[Bulldogcakes]

Poison pyjamas add to China export scares (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f66851fc-4f48-11dc-b485-0000779fd2ac.html)

Not only do they poison everything, they don't even know how to spell "Pajamas".

[TheMojoPin]

Formaldehyde? I think they got their beer ingredients mixed up with the pajama ingredients.

Actually, I have no idea what Chinese beer tastes like, but the stuff I had in SE Asia was wretched. Tried brand after brand and man, was it baaaaaad.

[Hottub]

Hey Mojo, you think you had it bad, thing about our beer loving A.J.!!

When he is thirsty, he drinks sand.
He drinks sand?
He drinks sand!

[ryno1974]

much like you guys tell me to "change the channel asshole" when I complain about O&A, why dont you just NOT BUY stuff made in China? Oh wait, its because everyone ants shit for cheap, but then wants to bitch about the moral high ground. It's like listening to a bunch Wal MArt protesters then watching to see how many pick up " the odd thing" there to save a buck.

Either vote with your wallets, or shut up.

Oh, and the comment about saving the .00002 cents per tube of toothpaste applies to north american manufacturing too. Last time I checked we were all in business to make money, not to be humanitarians.

[TheMojoPin]

Globalization is a beast. Ye reap what ye sow. We've been careening towards things like this for a long time now and it's only going to get worse. It's easy to blame the cheap labor and manufacturing overseas, but our industries and government have essentially endorsed supporting them for decades now and they show signs of only increasing that reliance.

[FUNKMAN]

Globalization is a beast. Ye reap what ye sow. We've been careening towards things like this for a long time now and it's only going to get worse. It's easy to blame the cheap labor and manufacturing overseas, but our industries and government have essentially endorsed supporting them for decades now and they show signs of only increasing that reliance.

wouldn't the biggest contributing factor be the stock market and it's system of ratings according to profit projections?

[TheMojoPin]

wouldn't the biggest contributing factor be the stock market and it's system of ratings according to profit projections?

But the stock market is following the money, not vice-versa.

[JPMNICK]

much like you guys tell me to "change the channel asshole" when I complain about O&A, why dont you just NOT BUY stuff made in China? Oh wait, its because everyone ants shit for cheap, but then wants to bitch about the moral high ground. It's like listening to a bunch Wal MArt protesters then watching to see how many pick up " the odd thing" there to save a buck.

Either vote with your wallets, or shut up.

Oh, and the comment about saving the .00002 cents per tube of toothpaste applies to north american manufacturing too. Last time I checked we were all in business to make money, not to be humanitarians.

a lot easier to change one radio station then to take on globalization

[Hottub]

It used to be dollar store items, and cheap toys. It has grown much worse. If you have bought a TV or laptop in the past year, check the sticker. There is already a guy in town selling Chineese campers. The cars will be here soon.

Opie is right on this one. We are going down!

[IamFogHat]

Have you learned nothing in the last 5 years? Military isolationism is the way to go, economic green light. Unless we blow the shit out of out supposed enemy (such as China if you deem them so) and not go pussy ass minimalism ground troops to please the you know who's. Make sense?

[Fez4PrezN2008]

much like you guys tell me to "change the channel asshole" when I complain about O&A, why dont you just NOT BUY stuff made in China? Oh wait, its because everyone ants shit for cheap, but then wants to bitch about the moral high ground. It's like listening to a bunch Wal MArt protesters then watching to see how many pick up " the odd thing" there to save a buck.

Either vote with your wallets, or shut up.

Oh, and the comment about saving the .00002 cents per tube of toothpaste applies to north american manufacturing too. Last time I checked we were all in business to make money, not to be humanitarians.

There's hardly anything left that's made here though.

With the exception of the stuff my co makes. We are feeling the heat from Chinese competition though.

Turn those packages over and see where its made before you buy !

[FMJeff]

It's not a joke anymore. Now I see pajamas are poisoned from China. We will all pay for our love of cheap prices.

[Bulldogcakes]

much like you guys tell me to "change the channel asshole" when I complain about O&A, why dont you just NOT BUY stuff made in China? Oh wait, its because everyone wants shit for cheap, but then wants to bitch about the moral high ground. It's like listening to a bunch Wal MArt protesters then watching to see how many pick up " the odd thing" there to save a buck.

Not really. Its just about a very basic level of product safety at any price. People who don't read their labels or are looking for bargains don't deserve to get poisoned by some careless manufacturer. You do have a right to expect a certain level of safety when shopping, at the very least not to get poisoned. No US manufacturer would get away with this, they'd be shut down or put out of business with bad press in a minute.

But I'll bet with all the bad press China's getting lately, more and more people are avoiding their products. And Government inspectors and consumer groups are paying more and more attention to their imports.

[Recyclerz]

A couple of points that I think are relevant to this discussion:

Although the stuff is being manufactured in China, it is being ordered by mostly US based companies who then sell it to us. If these companies had control of their supply chains and/or spent the extra few bucks to inspect the stuff before it was put on those slow boats from China then we wouldn't be having these problems.

Globalization is a fact of our lives. You can not like it and rage against it but you'll have the same success as if you decided that gravity wasn't fair and you were going to fix that. Some economic historians have argued that economic institutions are usually 75 to 150 years ahead of political ones and that when there's a new economic paradigim taking over an area or (now) the planet there is usually a lot of political and social upheaval. I believe we're "lucky" enough to be living through one of those times. The economic good times that we assume to be the norm in the US are really a historical aberration. From the end of WW2 to the 1970's (essentially the formative years of our grandparents and parents) the US got so rich that the people at the top decided to let more of the goodies flow down to the middle and working classes to buy social peace. After that war the US had the only intact economy that could be scaled up to global size so we made and sold everything to everybody with money we lent them. The oil shocks of the seventies were really the first serious derailment of the gravy train. It also was the first time that the country looked around and saw other economies catching up. We as a society didn't do much to fix the structural problems then and still haven't. The people running things in the US have seen the future though - that's why they're grabbing all the still valuable assets and distracting us with issues like gay marriage and abortion pills so that they can lock in their gains before we can understand what's going on. (In my humble opinion, that is.)

I'm going to check out the book Furtherman recommended. If anybody wants to read a decent starter book of globalization and its implications you should check out Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat. Yeah, he was wrong in trusting W to do the right or smart things in Iraq, but this book is pretty sound.

[thepaulo]

And fucking Ewan MacGregor rode his fucking motorbike through the fucking Mongolia......what possible good did that do?

[Recyclerz]

And fucking Ewan MacGregor rode his fucking motorbike through the fucking Mongolia......what possible good did that do?

He could be scouting new stripper friends for Bobo.

[Fat_Sunny]

A couple of points that I think are relevant to this discussion:

Although the stuff is being manufactured in China, it is being ordered by mostly US based companies who then sell it to us. If these companies had control of their supply chains and/or spent the extra few bucks to inspect the stuff before it was put on those slow boats from China then we wouldn't be having these problems.

A Minor Point, But Those "Slow Boats" Get From Hong Kong To Seattle Or San Diego In 7-8 Days. They Are Not That Slow!

Also, When American Companies Order Stuff, They Give The Chinese Specifications And Standards To Manufacture To. If An American Importer Presents A Line Of Pajamas To JCPenny, You Gotta Know That JCP Checks Those Things Out Inside Out And Upside Down Before They Place An order With The American Importer Who Then Places The Order With The Chinese Company.

Neither The American Importer Nor JCP Ordered Poisoned Pajamas, Of That You Can Be Sure. And Yet, Apparently They Were Produced, Which Means That The Chinese Company Did Not Follow The Specifications They Were Given When The Goods Were Ordered.

[Recyclerz]

A Minor Point, But Those "Slow Boats" Get From Hong Kong To Seattle Or San Diego In 7-8 Days. They Are Not That Slow!

Also, When American Companies Order Stuff, They Give The Chinese Specifications And Standards To Manufacture To. If An American Importer Presents A Line Of Pajamas To JCPenny, You Gotta Know That JCP Checks Those Things Out Inside Out And Upside Down Before They Place An order With The American Importer Who Then Places The Order With The Chinese Company.

Neither The American Importer Nor JCP Ordered Poisoned Pajamas, Of That You Can Be Sure. And Yet, Apparently They Were Produced, Which Means That The Chinese Company Did Not Follow The Specifications They Were Given When The Goods Were Ordered.

First off , Recyclerz is a little hurt that Fat Sunny dropped his amusing 3rd party self-reference gimmick when responding to one of Recyclerz' posts. :sad:

The relative speed of the Pacific merchant marine was meant to be a little pun on "A Slow Boat TO China" which was one my Grandpa's favorite songs (and catch phrase) back in the day.

And I'm not prepared to give a pass to JC Penney (or the intervening importer if there is one) on this kind of problem. If they're outsourcing production to the lowest cost vendor, either or both better have either reliable reps in the factory checking on quality control at the source or at least have a reliable sampling method on the docks of Shanghai (or Long Beach) to make sure these don't get onto the shelves here or anywhere if there is a real hazard (and not just a contrived Soccer Mom panic). Product stewardship is all the rage with the kids these days. These retailers had better get with the program or close up shop.

Lastly, Recyclerz is sorry if he seems curt in his reply, but he's having a rare bout of insomnia and the pills haven't kicked in ye.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[scottinnj]

Another insomniac here:

I have to agree with recyclerz
A slow boat to China is a great catchphrase.

But I also agree with recylerz about the JC Penney and WalMart angle, but I think that these companies are trying to do what is right, seeing that Hasbro did a total recall of the lead infested toys that came in from China.

But I may be wrong, but it's 4am now. Good Morning!

[ryno1974]

Great discussion all around, but I definately disagree that the JC Penny's and Wal Mart's are doing whats right. If they want the lower cost of off shore mfg, go right ahead. But they MUST ensure the safety of their own supply chain. Cutting the PO is NOT the last step. It is the first. These companies (and I mean ALL companies, I actually like those 2) are responsible from cradle to grave on these goods. The world is full of bad people and people working angles. It is big businesses job to protect us the consumer against that.

Hasbro did a good job, and they deserve credit for that, but the bottom line is that they dropped the ball on it in the first place by not having proper QA in place, and they know it. Globalization can work, but cheaper labour does not mean a free pass on protecting Canadians. Oh, and I guess Americans too.

[TheMojoPin]

If anybody wants to read a decent starter book of globalization and its implications you should check out Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat.

His own earlier The Lexus & the Olive Tree is a much better place to start, though it's best tempered by also reading something like Naomi Klein's No Logo since Friedman is definitely pro-globalization uber alles when all is said and done.

[Bulldogcakes]

A couple of points that I think are relevant to this discussion:

Although the stuff is being manufactured in China, it is being ordered by mostly US based companies who then sell it to us. If these companies had control of their supply chains and/or spent the extra few bucks to inspect the stuff before it was put on those slow boats from China then we wouldn't be having these problems.

Globalization is a fact of our lives. You can not like it and rage against it but you'll have the same success as if you decided that gravity wasn't fair and you were going to fix that. Some economic historians have argued that economic institutions are usually 75 to 150 years ahead of political ones and that when there's a new economic paradigim taking over an area or (now) the planet there is usually a lot of political and social upheaval. I believe we're "lucky" enough to be living through one of those times. The economic good times that we assume to be the norm in the US are really a historical aberration. From the end of WW2 to the 1970's (essentially the formative years of our grandparents and parents) the US got so rich that the people at the top decided to let more of the goodies flow down to the middle and working classes to buy social peace. After that war the US had the only intact economy that could be scaled up to global size so we made and sold everything to everybody with money we lent them. The oil shocks of the seventies were really the first serious derailment of the gravy train. It also was the first time that the country looked around and saw other economies catching up. We as a society didn't do much to fix the structural problems then and still haven't.

What he said.

I'll just add that globalization really started to make sense when shipping rates plunged from the late 60's thru the mid 80's. Add the computerized supply chain management systems that came after and it really didn't matter where the hell anything came from, all you needed was for Governments to get out of the way with their protectionist tariffs/quotas and let products flow. Thats why NAFTA made so much sense.
Its also not a right/left thing, both sides get various parts of this wrong.
Conservatives who rail against immigration reform are preventing the free flow of labor assets the economy needs. Yet they'll embrace the free flow of capital worldwide. You can have all the capital you want, without the necessary labor you can't produce anything.
Liberals like to attack globalization as being anti-union, but the days of us setting up trade barriers to protect workers are long gone. To do so today is either impossible (WTO agreements) or economic suicide by setting off trade wars where everybody loses. Others have a laundry list of gripes (Increased inequality, environmental damage, injustice, loss of culture) all of which generally means they just hate capitalism.
The reality is the most developed countries have the best environmental, legal systems and standard of living for all of its citizens. Globalization gives nations the economic ties that can raise standards of living for all who participate, and economic ties give Western nations leverage to get 3rd world nations to democratize and liberalize. It will likely take a generation or more, but it will happen just as it did here. All without a single shot being fired. If the US decided to turn away from this policy for some reason, the free flow of capital on Wall St would punish us brutally in a nanosecond. It would head elsewhere, wherever the returns are.

BTW-Anyone who's blaming "Globalization" is painting with far too broad a brush. We do business with Mexico, Canada, Venezuela etc etc all as part of a globalized economy. The problem is China, period. And their regulatory system or lack thereof.

[TheMojoPin]

Very few people are saying we need to be economically isolated from the rest of the world...that's incredbily extreme and unrealistic. When people rail against "globalization" it's the practice of shifting huge segments of a corporation to wherver everything is cheaper, from parts to labor to whatever, which typically ends up overseas. It also tends to end up being a global version of ye olde "squash out the mom and pop biz." Yes, I know, lower prices are fantastic and plenty of you get a raging boner of so-called "free market capitalism. What most people want is some attempt at a middle ground instead of rushing headlong into "OMG, IT'S ALL SO MUCH CHEAPER OUTSIDE OF AMERICA" at a pace that's bound to leave is screwed and quite literally finding ourselves owned outside of our borders. It's bad news when we're careening towards having almost all of our eggs outside of the basket.

And "the problem is China, period?" Who set up the goddamn market in the first place?

[Bulldogcakes]

Another note on Globalization. National borders will become increasingly meaningless, and eventually either fade away or be treated as some quaint relic of the past. That one we may be way beyond any of our lifetimes, if Recyc's "75-150 years behind" holds true. But maybe national governments will pick up the pace as well, especially once others do it first. Effectively national borders and sovereignty are already fading, and becoming more like global "states" than independent nations.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, but as long as economic entities such as the European Union itself and China thanks to the influx of countires embracing globalization hardcore, it sets up the USA's own economic strength and identity as being increasingly nebulous and ultimately very precarious. I look at as borders are expanding and evolving, whereas the USA's are just evaporating because we're so desperate to make as much as possible any way we can with little thought to future consequences...which, not so coincidentally is how our foreign policy is structured and has been for about 25 years.

[Bulldogcakes]

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one



http://www.uoregon.edu/~cchristi/Dream/images/world%20peace%20copy.jpg

[Hottub]

http://www.uoregon.edu/~cchristi/Dream/images/world%20peace%20copy.jpg


Goddam Hippie!

[FMJeff]

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=6BB24D74B83356B23A342A7BB3CD8514 ?contentId=4212482&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Fuck the chinese and fuck walmart too,btw. Not that I'm being original in this thread.

[dragon]

Originally posted by wrestlingfan:
I know its unrelated to this thread but in my opinion, I see China as a threat. They own 700 billion dollars in US treasuries, We are all royally fucked if they decide to call in the debt. Also they artifically devalue their currency against ours, thus the hundreds of billions of dollars in the trade gap between the US and China. & They are selling weapons and technology to the Iranians.
Dude, you could not be more correct !
We are in a world of shit and our loving government is only concerned with opening the borders to anyone and screwing us on taxes regularly !

[dragon]

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/...d=1.1.1&sflg=1

Fuck the chinese and fuck walmart too,btw. Not that I'm being original in this thread.

There are few places I boycott, but walmart is one.
It won't be long before we either have a revolution, or are taken over by another country.
Our forefathers must be puking by now.

[Fat_Sunny]

Originally posted by wrestlingfan:
I know its unrelated to this thread but in my opinion, I see China as a threat. They own 700 billion dollars in US treasuries, We are all royally fucked if they decide to call in the debt. Also they artifically devalue their currency against ours, thus the hundreds of billions of dollars in the trade gap between the US and China. & They are selling weapons and technology to the Iranians.
Dude, you could not be more correct !
We are in a world of shit and our loving government is only concerned with opening the borders to anyone and screwing us on taxes regularly !

F_S Read Somewhere That It Was Almost Double That...1.2 Trillion! And They Made Noise A Couple Of Weeks Ago About Threatening To Disrupt Our Economy Because They Have OUR Cash To Do It!

[dragon]

I have no doubt as to that figure.
A couple of hundred years ago, we, as a bunch of fed-up revolutionaries, came to America to free ourselves from the enormous taxing of mother England. Since then we destroyed the Indians, pillaged the land, are destroying the environment, and have gone from a nation that led the world, to whatever the hell we are now.
I don't honestly have much hope for our future, or the future of our children if we continue on this course. I'm not a tree hugger, nor am I a overspending fatkat, but I think it's clear we have made some huge mistakes, and continue to do so.
Our government is basically owned and operated by big business, since the corporate world generally decides who will be president through contributions (read bribes).
Do I have a solution ? I wish I did. Until we get our country under control financially, stop trying to be the world police and stop starting wars based on egos, we're basically fucked.
Maybe, just maybe, if we can elect a person who believes in our Constitution and Bill of Rights And will Enforce them we stand a chance.
Sorry to be so long winded.

[Zorro]

Globalization is just another word for greed. Corporations make shit in China because they're in bed with the Chinese government. They have no need to worry about unions, protest or dissent. What a fucking deal. Pay people 1/4 of what you'd have to pay elsewhere and the government makes sure no one can fuck with your business.

[Furtherman]

An email going around that I think is a good idea...

I did not fully realize the impact of the Chinese market on the U.S. Until I noticed that we are importing fruits and vegetables from China. Imagine importing vegetables from a country that uses human waste to fertilize their crops. We have already stopped buying any produce and products from China several months ago and highly encourage everyone I know to do the same. Please read on.

Do you want to send a message to China ? Remember these dates: June 4, to July 4.

Read below and you will see why.

Are we Americans as dumb as we appear or is it that we just do not think? While the Chinese, knowingly and intentionally, export inferior products and dangerous toys and goods to be sold in American markets, the media wrings its hands and criticizes the Bush Administration for perceived errors. Yet 70% of Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended. Well, duh..why do you need the government to suspend trading privileges? DO IT YOURSELF!!

Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says 'Made in China ' or 'PRC' (and that now includes Hong Kong ), simply choose another product or none at all. You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, however you will be equally amazed at what you can do without. Who needs plastic eggs to celebrate Easter? If you must have eggs, use real ones and benefit some American farmer. Easter is just an example, the point is.. Do not wait for the government to act. Just go ahead and assume control on your own.

If 200 million Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that's a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor...fast!! The downside? Some American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory. ** Downside ??

The solution ?

Let's give them fair warning and send our own message. We will not implement this UNTIL June 4, and we will only continue it until July 4. That is only one month of trading losses, but it will hit the Chinese for
1/12th of the total, or 8%, of their American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness were worth it.

Remember, June 4 to July 4.

Send this to everybody you know.

Show them we are Americans

And NOBODY can take us for granted.

If we can't live without cheap Chinese

Goods for one month out of our lives,

WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET!

Pass it on America !!!

[Gmann]

I just threw out all my take out menu's in protest


WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

I'm going to go out of my way to buy Chinese-only to counteract this craven act of Yankee pigdog cowardice.

[scottinnj]

I'm going to go out of my way to buy Chinese-only to counteract this craven act of Yankee pigdog cowardice.

I thought you hated shopping at Target?

[TheMojoPin]

I thought you hated shopping at Target?

I love Target. I hate Wal-Mart and K-Mart because they're fucking gross and depressing.

[HBox]

An email going around that I think is a good idea...

I did not fully realize the impact of the Chinese market on the U.S. Until I noticed that we are importing fruits and vegetables from China. Imagine importing vegetables from a country that uses human waste to fertilize their crops. We have already stopped buying any produce and products from China several months ago and highly encourage everyone I know to do the same. Please read on.

Do you want to send a message to China ? Remember these dates: June 4, to July 4.

Read below and you will see why.

Are we Americans as dumb as we appear or is it that we just do not think? While the Chinese, knowingly and intentionally, export inferior products and dangerous toys and goods to be sold in American markets, the media wrings its hands and criticizes the Bush Administration for perceived errors. Yet 70% of Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended. Well, duh..why do you need the government to suspend trading privileges? DO IT YOURSELF!!

Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says 'Made in China ' or 'PRC' (and that now includes Hong Kong ), simply choose another product or none at all. You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, however you will be equally amazed at what you can do without. Who needs plastic eggs to celebrate Easter? If you must have eggs, use real ones and benefit some American farmer. Easter is just an example, the point is.. Do not wait for the government to act. Just go ahead and assume control on your own.

If 200 million Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that's a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor...fast!! The downside? Some American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory. ** Downside ??

The solution ?

Let's give them fair warning and send our own message. We will not implement this UNTIL June 4, and we will only continue it until July 4. That is only one month of trading losses, but it will hit the Chinese for
1/12th of the total, or 8%, of their American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness were worth it.

Remember, June 4 to July 4.

Send this to everybody you know.

Show them we are Americans

And NOBODY can take us for granted.

If we can't live without cheap Chinese

Goods for one month out of our lives,

WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET!

Pass it on America !!!

This was well thought out.

[TheMojoPin]

Hey, I buy my Easter stuff in July and my Xmas stuff in April. Wanna fight about it?

[PapaBear]

I hope this works as good as that "don't go to work day" thing the Hispanics did last year.

[scottinnj]

I love Target. I hate Wal-Mart and K-Mart because they're fucking gross and depressing.

I hate all of them, but I do go into Wal-Mart. It's the closest one to me. But gross and disgusting must be a nationwide theme for them.

[ChrisBrown]

I'm all for buying local, US-made toys, vegetables, toothpaste. This reminds me of arguments I had in China when Chinese would talk about the evil US plot to make them eat McDonalds hamburgers, listen to Britney Spears, and watch Titanic. Simple way to counter this - stop buying our shit. Same goes for us.

As for the stealing our military technology, every nation conducts espionage. This reminds me of how outraged Chinese friends of mine when our EP-3 had to make an emergency landing on Hainan Island. They were shocked to hear that we have intelligence collecting flights near their borders. Of course we do and we also try to steal their classified information through HUMINT collection. Anyone who gets worked up over one country trying to steal another country's secrets doesn't know enough about the intelligence world.

[sailor]

I'm all for buying local, US-made toys, vegetables, toothpaste. This reminds me of arguments I had in China when Chinese would talk about the evil US plot to make them eat McDonalds hamburgers, listen to Britney Spears, and watch Titanic. Simple way to counter this - stop buying our shit. Same goes for us.

As for the stealing our military technology, every nation conducts espionage. This reminds me of how outraged Chinese friends of mine when our EP-3 had to make an emergency landing on Hainan Island. They were shocked to hear that we have intelligence collecting flights near their borders. Of course we do and we also try to steal their classified information through HUMINT collection. Anyone who gets worked up over one country trying to steal another country's secrets doesn't know enough about the intelligence world.

yeah, i've never understood the zeal to execute spies when we have their counterparts working for us.

[KnoxHarrington]

I hate all of them, but I do go into Wal-Mart. It's the closest one to me. But gross and disgusting must be a nationwide theme for them.

Actually, here, there's only one Wal-Mart that's gross and disgusting: the others are fairly new, and not so bad. The Targets are still nicer.

But K-Mart is a hellhole. The shelves are a disgrace, the lighting is all fucked up, the floors are dirty, and I'd probably rather shit my own pants than dare go to the bathroom. I just don't go anymore.

[A.J.]

I hope this works as good as that "don't go to work day" thing the Hispanics did last year.

Did they ever go back?

[Tall_James]

I love Target. I hate Wal-Mart and K-Mart because they're fucking gross and depressing.

QFMFT!!!!!

[Thebazile78]

Onc-Child Warranty, Continued. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2008/06/06/the-one-child-warranty-continued.aspx)

So here's the full policy, as far as I can piece it together from the available documents: You can replace your child (in the numerical sense) in the event of death or disability, as long as the cause was an accident. Extent of replacement depends on the number and sex of the children you lost. Replacement for disability requires medical certification that the damage is second-degree, as measured by official standards. Replacement is also available for disabling defects, but not if they're genetic, presumably because in that case the replacement might be similarly defective.

Got that? To me, it sounds a lot like the piece of paper that came with my PC monitor. So there's your warranty. Let's hope you never have to use it.

[Boom Boom]

This thread is very anti-Chinite.

[Reynolds]

Did they ever go back?

Of course. Didn't you hear, that pairing of interracial couples is the new fad nowadays. Oh, BACK..... nevermind

[Reynolds]

Japan trying to outdo China.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/08/japan.stabbing.spree/index.html

[Bowel]

An email going around that I think is a good idea...

I did not fully realize the impact of the Chinese market on the U.S. Until I noticed that we are importing fruits and vegetables from China. Imagine importing vegetables from a country that uses human waste to fertilize their crops. We have already stopped buying any produce and products from China several months ago and highly encourage everyone I know to do the same. Please read on.

Do you want to send a message to China ? Remember these dates: June 4, to July 4.

Read below and you will see why.

Are we Americans as dumb as we appear or is it that we just do not think? While the Chinese, knowingly and intentionally, export inferior products and dangerous toys and goods to be sold in American markets, the media wrings its hands and criticizes the Bush Administration for perceived errors. Yet 70% of Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended. Well, duh..why do you need the government to suspend trading privileges? DO IT YOURSELF!!

Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says 'Made in China ' or 'PRC' (and that now includes Hong Kong ), simply choose another product or none at all. You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, however you will be equally amazed at what you can do without. Who needs plastic eggs to celebrate Easter? If you must have eggs, use real ones and benefit some American farmer. Easter is just an example, the point is.. Do not wait for the government to act. Just go ahead and assume control on your own.

If 200 million Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that's a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor...fast!! The downside? Some American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory. ** Downside ??

The solution ?

Let's give them fair warning and send our own message. We will not implement this UNTIL June 4, and we will only continue it until July 4. That is only one month of trading losses, but it will hit the Chinese for
1/12th of the total, or 8%, of their American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness were worth it.

Remember, June 4 to July 4.

Send this to everybody you know.

Show them we are Americans

And NOBODY can take us for granted.

If we can't live without cheap Chinese

Goods for one month out of our lives,

WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET!

Pass it on America !!!




Hmmm ... let me get this straight. I should boycott American branded goods made in China where the profit margins are made and kept in this country. Moreover, excess earnings by China are not invested in China but re-invested in US bonds to prop up the dollar printing press.


Make sure you re-evaluate and make changes to your stock portfolio before this movement starts.



If major trade restrictions are made on China, American goods (yes, products that are assembled in China are mostly Ameican and Japanese goods. I can't really name a Chinese brand) would not be able to sell to the middle class of the developing world and could not compete with other products in other advanced economies.



The biggest problems with the US economy and deficits were Greenspan's near zero interest rates back in 2002 which created a credit expansion and trickle-down economic theory. We have major deficits with practically every country right now ... most of it due to a 4 year credit spending spree. If you give people free money, they'll spend it and distort market fundamentals.


The biggest benefactors of this current system is not China (China's pretty much slave laborers with a depression era mentality), but business owners, highly skill services, multi-national firms etc. The number of multi-millionaires and billionaires in this country increase profoundly in the past 10 years ... they would be the real winners.

[Reynolds]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/01/china.stabbing/index.html

How does a man kill 5 police officers and stab 4 others in a police station?