Another "Package" found and destroyed in Spain

[scottinnj]

This one is being blamed on the Basque Terrorists. But the story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19520954/) doesn't mention (or if I missed it) whether or not the package remotely detonated by the bomb squad, was an IED or not.
But with this and the London stuff and the Scotland Airport attack, I gotta think Europe has a serious problem with terrorism right now, both Islamist and homegrown.

[TheMojoPin]

I gotta think Europe has a serious problem with terrorism

This is news?

[lleeder]

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[scottinnj]

This is news?

Yeah. I'm a lame-o. Sorry for posting the obvious. But I'm glad the news isn't lumping all terrorism into the Islamic camp. We still need to remember the Red Brigade, the IRA, and Basque. And over here, the McVeigh Crowd. They have been quiet, but they are still kooks.

[Yerdaddy]

The story shows the evidence that this is the work of Basque seperatists, but it's true that Europe does need to worry about al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda-inspired attacks. The reason is that we're already doing exactly what al-Qaeda wants us to do - responding to their attacks disproportionately and relying largely on violence rather than working on the conditions that fuel Islamist sentiment and feed al-Qaeda the support and recruits they need. [ Read this review of how al-Qaeda has responded to our tactics in the Wurr on Turr so far by a recently retired career CIA officer. (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070501faessay86304/bruce-riedel/al-qaeda-strikes-back.html) ] Al-Qaeda wanted us to invade Afghanistan after the USS Cole bombing. Neither Clinton nor Bush did. He wanted us to invade after 9-11. Instead Bush gave him what he wanted and threw in Iraq for shits and giggles. Their plan was to bleed us of blood, treasure and prestige like they did with the Soviet Union and win a second propaganda victory to inspire support as the people capable of standing up to "The West" and getting away with it. Instead of crushing al-Qaeda by both defeating the Taliban and killing and capturing al-Qaeda leadership - especially Bin Laden - like we were much more capable than the Soviets of doing, we decided to exploit the situation and redirect the resources necessary to defend America from al-Qaeda and fight a war of choice in Iraq for the administration's ideological goals. Now we're losing both wars, (lost Iraq), and instead of Afghanistan being the source of skilled terrorist operatives to export around the world it's Iraq that's sending the pros to Afghanistan to train them. We gave Bin Laden more rewards than he ever dreamed about on 9-11.

So the only reason al-Qaeda would have to attack our homeland now is if they could frame Iran for it and get us to do what Cheney wants and attack another of al-Qaeda's enemies - Iran. Instead, al-Qaeda needs to get the rest of the West to get on board with our aggressive wars to complete the picture in the minds of Muslims that there is currently a war against Islam being waged by the West rather than just the U.S. Al-Qaeda has always been more straightforward about their strategies that we have been and Europe needs to know that they're a prime target along with the homefront states that al-Qaeda aspires to dominate - Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, The Philipines, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan... ie. the Muslim world is, as always, a primary target of al-Qaeda.

I think Europe will be more of a target for al-Qaeda attacks because if we attack Iran Bin Laden will want Europe to take sides with us and against the Muslim world this time. It doesn't do to have Europe sitting out like they did in Iraq. So a likely scenario would be an al-Qaeda directed or insipired attack on a European ally of ours made to look like it was directed by Iran. It will piss off enough Europeans enough to get support for a retaliatory attack and, of course, the U.S. isn't going to miss out on an opportunity to lead the charge against Iran.

In the meantime Europe's Muslims are not well intigrated into European society like we are and there is a larger pool of terrorist candidates to be indoctrinated and trained to attack their home countries. Europe also has plenty of right- and left-wing wackos to inspire the sentiment that European society hates Muslims (from the right-wing propaganda) and is responsible for all the ills of the Muslim world (from the left-wing propaganda). So despite America's leadership in attacking the Muslim world, Europe has the raw materials of terrorism (recruits) and are a better strategic target than the U.S. right now. All this is why I've been telling political-minded Europeans on the road that they need to get rid of their Bush lap-dogs and respectful disagreers in European leadership. They can no longer afford to sit back and quietly let us lead the world into a global clash of civilizations. They need to speak to us Americans and tell us we're acting like fools by electing psychopaths like Bush and reelecting them because they the only thing we really understand about defending the nation - killing our percieved enemies (Arabs and other scary dark-skinned people). We listened when Chavez talked crazy shit about us. We listened when Putin spoke the truth about us. But Eurpean leaders aren't willing to address the American people and so they sit there confused and scared of what we're capable of but too polite to "interfere" in our affairs. Considering that McCain is the only leading Republican candidate unlikely to carry out our foreign policy exactly like Bush had, I've said to my friends the time for politeness is over. They need to speak up before they start getting hit and their publics become just as batshit insane as we are.

Or we could wise up and demand an intelligent strategy to fight terrorism, but I don't want to entertain my own fantasies either.

[scottinnj]

So the only reason al-Qaeda would have to attack our homeland now is if they could frame Iran for it and get us to do what Cheney wants and attack another of al-Qaeda's enemies - Iran. Instead, al-Qaeda needs to get the rest of the West to get on board with our aggressive wars to complete the picture in the minds of Muslims that there is currently a war against Islam being waged by the West rather than just the U.S. Al-Qaeda has always been more straightforward about their strategies that we have been and Europe needs to know that they're a prime target along with the homefront states that al-Qaeda aspires to dominate - Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, The Philipines, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan... ie. the Muslim world is, as always, a primary target of al-Qaeda.

I think Europe will be more of a target for al-Qaeda attacks because if we attack Iran Bin Laden will want Europe to take sides with us and against the Muslim world this time. It doesn't do to have Europe sitting out like they did in Iraq. So a likely scenario would be an al-Qaeda directed or insipired attack on a European ally of ours made to look like it was directed by Iran. It will piss off enough Europeans enough to get support for a retaliatory attack and, of course, the U.S. isn't going to miss out on an opportunity to lead the charge against Iran.


I agree. Iran is NOT a place I want NATO, UN or American troops in. The nuclear deal is scary, but containment is a good strategy, if we don't screw the pooch with Russia. Sure, Russia has a gasoline deal with Iran, and while it hurts the overall energy supply worldwide, it isn't worth a war. But, if we somehow get with Putin to guarantee containment of Iran's military exports, the nuclear technology won't get into Al Queada's hands. So then Iran can have all the nuclear warheads they want, and it won't be a threat to us because they can't hit us. It'll be Russia's problem because they will be the only one's within range of Iran's missiles. Israel won't be a problem, because we can just make a promise that if Iran launches against Israel, we'll annihilate Iran.
Iranians right now are our friends so I fear that an invasion would just make more enemies then friends. When the Iranian people are finally tired of their leadership, I'm sure there is a way to help without being directly involved, which would keep Iranians making decisions for themselves, and they will have the knowledge Europe and America helped them out, so they will be more open to us then if we invade them.

[Fezticle98]

I destroyed my package in Spain at the age of 12, after seeing a girls tits for the first time on a topless beach.

[cougarjake13]

so much for the european tourism market