CA therapist sentenced for molesting children

[Crispy123]

Wayne Albert Bleyle, shown in this photo from his arraignment in March 2006, was convicted Wednesday on multiple counts of child molestation and pornography. He spoke only to acknowledge his guilt.

I have a question for any of you people with any kind of belief in God, a higher power, or universal spirit. How could a human being do something as hideous as this perverted bastard? (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-25-therapist-molestation_N.htm) I’ll tell you how. This man has no soul. He has no belief in anything other than his own ego and he fully demonstrated that through his actions.

How else could he molest disabled children as young as 2 years old. This is exactly the kind of story that lets me know that true evil exists. If evil exists then so must goodness. I can only hope that the Good outlasts the Bad.

I could never say that this man does not deserve to die. I would gladly strangle the last breath from his throat. I can only hope he will be infected with a terminal illness by being raped in prison. That would at least be some kind of justice.

[TheMojoPin]

Look, the dude is already called "the rapist," how much more obvious did it have to be?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Name me one soulless child-raper, and I could name you 50 soulful mass-murderers. Plenty of people out there who honestly believe in the Almighty and do unforgivable things anyway. Or how do you account for all the Catholic Priests...who genuinely believed in God but still molested children anyway?

Pft. This man is obviously a sack of shit, and hopefully does get squashed like a bug. But I disagree with using this fella as proof of what a person is like because they don't believe in Jesus. That's weak sauce.

[DarkHippie]

Sadly, this is not as uncommon as you would think.

I heard that the same thing happened at my program a few years ago. the student was non-verbal, so she couldn't tell anyone what happened. They found out when she became pregnant.

I would bet that this kind of thing happens a lot in group homes too.

molesting children is bad, molesting the disabled is bad, but molesting disabled children wins you the Golden Hitler for evilness.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Sadly, this is not as uncommon as you would think.

I heard that the same thing happened at my program a few years ago. the student was non-verbal, so she couldn't tell anyone what happened. They found out when she became pregnant.

I would bet that this kind of thing happens a lot in group homes too.

molesting children is bad, molesting the disabled is bad, but molesting disabled children wins you the Golden Hitler for evilness.

Any type of rapist, violent or non, so long as they legitimately and truly raped a person against their will, ought to die like a goddamned dog. If only there was such a thing as absolute evidence proving their guilt (so this shit wouldn't happen to some poor guy falsely accused like, say, those Duke kids), I'd be in favor of recommending non-anesthetized castration of these scum.

The fact that this guy was a therapist, someone who made an oath to help people in society and be there for people who need help, makes me want to send one of CPW's Space Marines over to his jail cell and eradicate this scum.

Rest assured, he won't be treated too well in prison. They don't take kindly to his type. Hopefully the prison won't get all babyish and stick him in protective custody to prevent what he so dearly deserves.

[Crispy123]

Name me one soulless child-raper, and I could name you 50 soulful mass-murderers. Plenty of people out there who honestly believe in the Almighty and do unforgivable things anyway. Or how do you account for all the Catholic Priests...who genuinely believed in God but still molested children anyway?

Pft. This man is obviously a sack of shit, and hopefully does get squashed like a bug. But I disagree with using this fella as proof of what a person is like because they don't believe in Jesus. That's weak sauce.

Bullshit.

I account for the Priests the same way I do this guy. They are soulless bastards that try to fit in to society so they can go undetected spreading evil. The guy worked in a hospital as a respiratory therapist, like Priests you would think people that work in Hospitals do it because they respect life and want to see it survive and prosper. To masquerade as a healer and do something this despicable is the very epitomes of selfishness and evil. There is no way this guy, or any child molester believes in any kind of higher power that he/she has to answer to.

What are Space Marines and where do I sign up???

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Bullshit.

I account for the Priests the same way I do this guy. They are soulless bastards that try to fit in to society so they can go undetected spreading evil. The guy worked in a hospital as a respiratory therapist, like Priests you would think people that work in Hospitals do it because they respect life and want to see it survive and prosper. To masquerade as a healer and do something this despicable is the very epitomes of selfishness and evil. There is no way this guy, or any child molester believes in any kind of higher power that he/she has to answer to.

What about people who do despicable things to other people because they believed it was what God wanted them to do? (The entire history of the treatment of the Anabaptists who were non-violent at the hands of European Catholics in the 16th-17th centuries, the Inquisitions carried out by Spain in its own country and throughout Europe, howsabout the way the friars who preached apostolic poverty that were burned at the stake, just to name a few *teensy* *minor* incidents of human atrocities that were obviously committed by people who did not believe in any God that they had to answer to...) Don't bullshit a bullshitter. ;)

Space Marine's your sigpic there. Warhammer 40k, I wish we could have a few of them for the U.S. would help us kick some serious ass overseas

[cupcakelove]

Bullshit.

I account for the Priests the same way I do this guy. They are soulless bastards that try to fit in to society so they can go undetected spreading evil. The guy worked in a hospital as a respiratory therapist, like Priests you would think people that work in Hospitals do it because they respect life and want to see it survive and prosper. To masquerade as a healer and do something this despicable is the very epitomes of selfishness and evil. There is no way this guy, or any child molester believes in any kind of higher power that he/she has to answer to.

What are Space Marines and where do I sign up???

Horrible things have been done in the name of religion, and I don't agree that if he had just believed in god, he would not have done what he did.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

[DarkHippie]

Bullshit.

I account for the Priests the same way I do this guy. They are soulless bastards that try to fit in to society so they can go undetected spreading evil. The guy worked in a hospital as a respiratory therapist, like Priests you would think people that work in Hospitals do it because they respect life and want to see it survive and prosper. To masquerade as a healer and do something this despicable is the very epitomes of selfishness and evil. There is no way this guy, or any child molester believes in any kind of higher power that he/she has to answer to.

What are Space Marines and where do I sign up???

I disagree about the priests. I think that generally they are people who try to be good, but eventually succumb to their carnal desires. Many more priests have affairs with adults than molest children. I think that if they were allowed to marry, there would be many less of these incidents

[Crispy123]

What about people who do despicable things to other people because they believed it was what God wanted them to do? Don't bullshit a bullshitter. ;)

Horrible things have been done in the name of religion, and I don't agree that if he had just believed in god, he would not have done what he did.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Now I have a headache.

I will only say this, its easy to say you believe in God but it is only through your actions that you can be judged to do so. The actions of this man convince me that he does not believe.

[cupcakelove]

I disagree about the priests. I think that generally they are people who try to be good, but eventually succumb to their carnal desires. Many more priests have affairs with adults than molest children. I think that if they were allowed to marry, there would be many less of these incidents

I agree with this, I think that the fact they have to keep their actions secret encourages them to seek out weaker people who they can manipulate.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Yeah... I take issue with CPW trying to judge people on the basis of all their individual faiths. First off, most people who were religious in the entire history of this world, were religious for selfish reasons-- no matter how much they tried to cover it up in the notion of selfless deeds and so on, people performed good deeds (up until Martin Luther came along and re-defined the notion of God's Grace and pre-destination) in the hopes that doing so would land them an eternity of happiness rather than an eternity of pain. They would also want this kind of eternal paradise for their loved ones, which, while admirable, fully understandable, and completely HUMAN AND NATURAL, is also, to a degree, selfish. Since you WANT them to do well in the afterlife. So making the argument that any modicum of selfishness means you have zero faith I think is you insulting every single member of your particular congregation...because then none of them would measure up to your standards of what makes a good man good. Because every human on this earth has some stake and selfishness for every decent act they do... even when those acts happen by mistake and they never intended anything by it. So yeah, I find your argument not only simplistic, but utterly and totally egotistical and I find you trying to manipulate this horrible God-Awful story into some far-fetched persecution of people who don't think like you as more than a little selfish in and of itself. You can nod and simply disagree, but in the end, I win this case. You can always go for the "Time-Out" shouting, but come now, do we have to banter on like 3 year olds?

Got a headache? Cuz we're disagreeing and backing up why we disagree with honest evidence and you're clearly failing to make a convincing argument? Take some advil... or y'know... Pray... that'll help too, if it stimulates a psychosomatic impulse that relieves the pressure on your brain, creating a relieving effect similar to ibuprofen...

All that aside, I don't dislike ya so don't mistake me. I just don't agree with ya. I don't like the notion that you can make such a fantastically inaccurate and medieval jump that "all people who are not faithful are child-fuckers and murderers" when really, you religious types are just as capable of evil as the non-religious types. Look at history. Assyrians, Christians, Muslims... all believed in some greater power or another, but that didn't stop them from doing absolutely Evil stuff from time to time. Stuff written down proudly by Christians at the time.

Am I to judge the entire Christian population on the basis of something that took place with but a small(ish) percentage of them in the past (or present)? No. That would be as wrong and poorly judged as say, blaming non-religious types for the actions of a piece of shit scumbag.

[TheMojoPin]

Bullshit.

I account for the Priests the same way I do this guy. They are soulless bastards that try to fit in to society so they can go undetected spreading evil.

Dude, that's THIS close to saying that their naughty li'l devils in disguise spreading all their mischief and evil around the world. People are typically "bad" along these lines for a number of psychological/biological reasons...do we really need to try and dress them up as pseudo-supernatural baddies?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I will only say this, its easy to say you believe in God but it is only through your actions that you can be judged to do so. The actions of this man convince me that he does not believe.

I fully agree with you on this point. I was always fond of the saying my grandpa allegedly would spout off when he was still working a farm in PA: "one full of words and no deeds is like a garden full of weeds".

What do you think of the notion of pre-destination and God's Grace, like what you saw in Lutheranism/Calvinism... where it was believed that nothing done on this earth would effect where you wound up in the afterlife...and that good people who acted purely did so because they were already saved by God, and therefore good deeds were simply symptomatic of a saved soul?

I personally feel it's your actions that defines a man...and if there is an afterlife worth afterliving for, that your deeds and overall ...whatever you wanna call it... goodness? that gets you there.

[Bulldogcakes]

Dude, that's THIS close to saying that their naughty li'l devils in disguise spreading all their mischief and evil around the world. People are typically "bad" along these lines for a number of psychological/biological reasons...do we really need to try and dress them up as pseudo-supernatural baddies?

Some people just need to see the entire planet in white hat/black hat terms. Only way they seem to be able to sort it all out. The reality of most pedophiles is that they were molested THEMSELVES as children, and it forever altered their view of sex and what is or isn't normal. They have an association with childhood and sex that the rest of us cant comprehend (thank God) but its as wired into them as our sexual orientations are wired into the rest of us. When someone can explain to me how screaming "EVIL! BAD MAN!!" will stop that from happening to future kids or help the people who its happened to already, I'm all ears. Stuff like that makes the person who screaming feel better I guess, but doesn't add up to much of anything else.

You want to know whats really disturbing? How many places around the world where shit like this is either accepted or seen as no big deal. Afghanistan, Thailand and Japan come to mind.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Celibacy is retarded and isn't even in the Scriptures anyway. It's something the Church by itself cooked up because of what Mr.Anti-Pleasure, St. Augustine had to say about it aught 3 centuries after Christ (keep in mind Augustine was Orville Orgy up until he developed a conscience and declared all sex sin). Probably is a legitimate source of all these weird religion-related sex crimes that go on.

[A.J.]

Look, the dude is already called "the rapist," how much more obvious did it have to be?

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[Yerdaddy]

You want to know whats really disturbing? How many places around the world where shit like this is either accepted or seen as no big deal. Afghanistan, Thailand and Japan come to mind.

In Afghanistan it was literally the hardcore Taliban who, because they never let their women out of the house, who openly kept young boys as concubines.

In Thailand people are getting 10 years minimum for banging any hooker under age 18 and any non-hooker under 16 - which is a good thing but still a bit scary because it's impossible to tell people's ages here and the police specialize in entrapment for cash. Cambodia's got stickers up all over restaurants and hotels telling people how to turn in pedophiles. I imagine there's alot of opportunistic entrapment going on there as well. I'm safe because, after my first two weeks here I don't bang the locals - I just go for the neglected tourist chicks. I tend to go where the odds are stacked in my favor.

Japan?

[A.J.]

In Afghanistan it was literally the hardcore Taliban who, because they never let their women out of the house, who openly kept young boys as concubines.

And that's not uncommon in the Arab world either.

[Yerdaddy]

And that's not uncommon in the Arab world either.

I never saw it openly, but I know that gay Arab bottoms get alot of action. ALOT! Ass-loads (pun intended)!

I'm sure all the young SE Asian house servants in Saudi and the rich Gulf states don't get alot of work done either.

[RoseBlood]

There is a fine line with separating the good/evil person from their religious views. Religion/spirituality can serve as a basis and guidance to what is "good" acceptable behavior and what is not, but Lord help us it shouldn't be the only way. Yeah, many a horrible acts have been committed in the name of religion but in cases like this one I blame the person, no one else! Contributing factors? of course, but ultimately everyone is responsible for what they do in their lives regardless of history, genetics, tragedy, or mental health; and yes I do believe mental illness is real. He is the one responsible for his acts; not his past, not his lack of faith in God or his devotion to God/Allah whatever. So yeah, I agree with CCC and Dark Hippie here.

Unfortunately I do agree with CPW that many of these people hide behind a veil of heroism or do gooder image; often flaunting how wonderful they are by volunteering or working with children or going to church etc etc, at least that has been my personal experience. But really, one cannot generalize as evil comes in all forms. People are just more alarmed when the perpertrator is someone they'd never expect. Just as often it's the scumbag looking, creepy drug selling fella down the street who commits these crimes, they just don't make for fascinating headline stories.

I know where BDC is coming from and I kind of use to subscribe to that theory but then I realized by saying someone molests cause they were molested or that it is hard-wired into their brains to molest, well that is a cop out. Any sexual crime messes with your head especially when you are young, that is when you are still developing and learning about your sexuality. Molestation/sexual abuse completely disrupts that development. However, that is still no excuse to continue the cycle and hurt others. Many, many people have been molested, probably more then we'll ever know but the majority of said victims don't go on to hurt others, they usually hurt themselves. Don't get me wrong, I truly feel horrible sadness for any victim, even those that have gone onto victimize others, BUT they still need to be removed from society imo; unless they are able and willing to do everything they can to ensure they will never do it again. Everyone has urges, desires, whether sexual, drug/alcohol related, but when you choose to become an adult and you choose to not hurt others you don't succumb to every urge, if we did we'd be a nation of fat, beer guzzling, child rapers... uhmm not to far off are we?

CCC, yeah i too wish there was such a thing as absolute evidence proving their guilt for accuser and defendant alike, maybe that would do away with false accusations as well, of course that is a pipe dream, as there are to many grey area's.

[A.J.]

I never saw it openly, but I know that gay Arab bottoms get alot of action. ALOT! Ass-loads (pun intended)!

I'm sure all the young SE Asian house servants in Saudi and the rich Gulf states don't get alot of work done either.

Well, when you segregate the sexes and tolerate pederasty as a cultural norm, you get a lot of hot gay action in the land of the Two Holy Mosques.

Jesus, I feel for these poor Asians that work here. Every day in the paper there is some story about a maid that was beaten and/or raped.

[Bulldogcakes]

In Afghanistan it was literally the hardcore Taliban who, because they never let their women out of the house, who openly kept young boys as concubines.

In Thailand people are getting 10 years minimum for banging any hooker under age 18 and any non-hooker under 16 - which is a good thing but still a bit scary because it's impossible to tell people's ages here and the police specialize in entrapment for cash. Cambodia's got stickers up all over restaurants and hotels telling people how to turn in pedophiles. I imagine there's alot of opportunistic entrapment going on there as well. I'm safe because, after my first two weeks here I don't bang the locals - I just go for the neglected tourist chicks. I tend to go where the odds are stacked in my favor.

Japan?

My bad, I meant Cambodia. I guess when I think southeast Asia and sex, Thailand pops out automatically. I know Thailand is one of those polarized cultures which can be very socially conservative in the hills and very liberal in big cities like Bangkok. And the national laws are made in the hills. There was a case a few years ago where an actress had to leave the country because she and her boyfriend made a sex tape, and she faced prosecution because of it.

Japan isn't quite as bad as the other two, but there is just stuff that old men do with underage girls that gets very creepy, and no one bats an eye.

[Bulldogcakes]

I know where BDC is coming from and I kind of use to subscribe to that theory but then I realized by saying someone molests cause they were molested or that it is hard-wired into their brains to molest, well that is a cop out. Any sexual crime messes with your head especially when you are young, that is when you are still developing and learning about your sexuality. Molestation/sexual abuse completely disrupts that development. However, that is still no excuse to continue the cycle and hurt others. Many, many people have been molested, probably more then we'll ever know but the majority of said victims don't go on to hurt others, they usually hurt themselves. Don't get me wrong, I truly feel horrible sadness for any victim, even those that have gone onto victimize others, BUT they still need to be removed from society imo; unless they are able and willing to do everything they can to ensure they will never do it again. Everyone has urges, desires, whether sexual, drug/alcohol related, but when you choose to become an adult and you choose to not hurt others you don't succumb to every urge, if we did we'd be a nation of fat, beer guzzling, child rapers... uhmm not to far off are we?


I don't disagree with anything you said. My main point was the same as Mojo's, that some people turn this into a cartoonish good guy/bad guy thing, and that doesn't solve anything. I guess they've just had a bad day and this seems like a nice, safe target to attack.

Also, I posted in a similar thread that recidivism rates among sex offenders are actually LOWER than those of other felons, according to DOJ stats. So not only do I not mean to imply that sex offenders cant control themselves, its not the case statistically.

Speaking of cartoons . . .

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5179/homerfatpride1gt.jpg

"You leave us fat, beer guzzlers alone! Wooo-hooo!!"

[Crispy123]

Yeah... I take issue with CPW trying to judge people on the basis of all their individual faiths. First off, most people who were religious in the entire history of this world, were religious for selfish reasons-- no matter how much they tried to cover it up in the notion of selfless deeds and so on, people performed good deeds (up until Martin Luther came along and re-defined the notion of God's Grace and pre-destination) in the hopes that doing so would land them an eternity of happiness rather than an eternity of pain. They would also want this kind of eternal paradise for their loved ones, which, while admirable, fully understandable, and completely HUMAN AND NATURAL, is also, to a degree, selfish. Since you WANT them to do well in the afterlife. So making the argument that any modicum of selfishness means you have zero faith I think is you insulting every single member of your particular congregation...because then none of them would measure up to your standards of what makes a good man good. Because every human on this earth has some stake and selfishness for every decent act they do... even when those acts happen by mistake and they never intended anything by it. So yeah, I find your argument not only simplistic, but utterly and totally egotistical and I find you trying to manipulate this horrible God-Awful story into some far-fetched persecution of people who don't think like you as more than a little selfish in and of itself. You can nod and simply disagree, but in the end, I win this case. You can always go for the "Time-Out" shouting, but come now, do we have to banter on like 3 year olds?

You win nothing. You make no point. I am judging a guy that is a confessed kid toucher, disabled kids at that. I am not judging any individual faith. Selfishness is a human quality that we all posses. But this is a case of total and complete egomania. To do something this disgusting requires someone to have no faith, in anything. That is my point. You did nothing to take away from that.[/QUOTE]

Got a headache? Cuz we're disagreeing and backing up why we disagree with honest evidence and you're clearly failing to make a convincing argument?

uh no. It was actually trying to make some sense of cupcakes little quote. I am still waiting for this honest evidence.

All that aside, I don't dislike ya so don't mistake me. I just don't agree with ya. I don't like the notion that you can make such a fantastically inaccurate and medieval jump that "all people who are not faithful are child-fuckers and murderers" when really, you religious types are just as capable of evil as the non-religious types. Look at history. Assyrians, Christians, Muslims... all believed in some greater power or another, but that didn't stop them from doing absolutely Evil stuff from time to time. Stuff written down proudly by Christians at the time.

Am I to judge the entire Christian population on the basis of something that took place with but a small(ish) percentage of them in the past (or present)? No. That would be as wrong and poorly judged as say, blaming non-religious types for the actions of a piece of shit scumbag.

I dont dislike you either. I am not taking this personally. So dont take it personally when I tell you you're completely missing my point and have no clue as to what I'm saying or believe.

Just because someone wears the guise of a particular religion or organization that does not mean they are a believer. A true follower and believer of Jesus Christ (which Im gathering you think I am, but Im not) would not have participated in the Crusades, Inquisition, or the Catholic Priest Pedophilia garbage. You can call yourself non-religious but it takes a certain moral code to abide by the "rule of law".

[cupcakelove]

That clarify what that quote I posted is saying, its pointing out that it takes something like religion to get good people to do bad things. Religion has been used and is still used to justify things like racism, sexism, and even murder. Believing in God can actually make it easier for people to commit these horrible acts.

[Crispy123]

That clarify what that quote I posted is saying, its pointing out that it takes something like religion to get good people to do bad things. Religion has been used and is still used to justify things like racism, sexism, and even murder. Believing in God can actually make it easier for people to commit these horrible acts.

I got it. It just gave me a headache...and Im not reading it again...ever.

[Yerdaddy]

You win nothing. You make no point. I am judging a guy that is a confessed kid toucher, disabled kids at that. I am not judging any individual faith. Selfishness is a human quality that we all posses. But this is a case of total and complete egomania. To do something this disgusting requires someone to have no faith, in anything. That is my point. You did nothing to take away from that.


For those who haven't had this discussion with CPW3 yet, this sentence is half of the religious concept he believes in and is relating this topic to. The other half is that if you are a moral person you necessarily have a belief in something greater than yourself, whether you accept that fact or not. (Is that about right, C3PO?)

I don't buy it, but I understood it after coming to near cyber-blows [AKA: tard fight] with him, and have accepted that this is his understanding of how humans work.

You do understand that yours' is an unusual concept of humanity and may take some 'splainin whenever it shapes an opinion you're expressing in order to avoid the misunderstandings like I think happened in this thread? Most people seemed to have been assuming you were saying something you weren't.

[cupcakelove]

For those who haven't had this discussion with CPW3 yet, this sentence is half of the religious concept he believes in and is relating this topic to. The other half is that if you are a moral person you necessarily have a belief in something greater than yourself, whether you accept that fact or not. (Is that about right, C3PO?)

I don't buy it, but I understood it after coming to near cyber-blows [AKA: tard fight] with him, and have accepted that this is his understanding of how humans work.

You do understand that yours' is an unusual concept of humanity and may take some 'splainin whenever it shapes an opinion you're expressing in order to avoid the misunderstandings like I think happened in this thread? Most people seemed to have been assuming you were saying something you weren't.

What I got out of his statements is, if you do something bad, then you don't believe in God, if you only do good things, then you have to believe in God. I was just 'splanin why I disagree with this and pointing out how religion, or more specifically a belief in God, has been and is still used to justify horrible things.

[TheMojoPin]

Seriously, all you had to do was check out his business card...he WANTED to be caught!

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[Crispy123]

For those who haven't had this discussion with CPW3 yet, this sentence is half of the religious concept he believes in and is relating this topic to. The other half is that if you are a moral person you necessarily have a belief in something greater than yourself, whether you accept that fact or not. (Is that about right, C3PO?)

I don't buy it, but I understood it after coming to near cyber-blows [AKA: tard fight] with him, and have accepted that this is his understanding of how humans work.

You do understand that yours' is an unusual concept of humanity and may take some 'splainin whenever it shapes an opinion you're expressing in order to avoid the misunderstandings like I think happened in this thread? Most people seemed to have been assuming you were saying something you weren't.

Yeah maybe. I say its not an unusual concept but that most people don't care to investigate and tend to make proclamations they dont believe or understand. I am not looking for a fight just some discussion. I did specifically addressed my post to people who do believe that there is something more out there. In the end BDC probably hit the nail on the head.

some people turn this into a cartoonish good guy/bad guy thing, and that doesn't solve anything. I guess they've just had a bad day and this seems like a nice, safe target to attack.


Initially I read this story and was venting, it was not to try to "solve" anything because you can't. I do think its naive to think there is no struggle between good/bad going on in the universe and to explain everything away by using biology and psychology, when they aren't anywhere near fully understood, is lame.

[Furtherman]

Religion and god and whatever other what have you myth have nothing to do with anything in this case.

There are billions of people on this planet. A good amount of them are fucked up. It's just a numbers game. Always has happened, always will. It's a shame, and there are good people out there who do their best to stop and prevent it, but it will never go away.

Right now, most likely not to far from where you are sitting, a kid is being violated in some physical or emotional way. Nothing you can do about it.

[TheMojoPin]

Initially I read this story and was venting, it was not to try to "solve" anything because you can't. I do think its naive to think there is no struggle between good/bad going on in the universe and to explain everything away by using biology and psychology, when they aren't anywhere near fully understood, is lame.

My problem with the "good vs. evil" stuff is it usually gets back to God, and I can't see how God can be seen as the "good" one if he's all-powerful and yet he's letting it happen.

I'm not saying there isn't a God...actually, I think there is, but I think he/she/it/whatever is a lot more complicated than just being the "good one."

Trying to break things down into "good/bad" is just too simplistic for me.

[cupcakelove]

My problem with the "good vs. evil" stuff is it usually gets back to God, and I can't see how God can be seen as the "good" one if he's all-powerful and yet he's letting it happen.

I'm not saying there isn't a God...actually, I think there is, but I think he/she/it/whatever is a lot more complicated than just being the "good one."

Trying to break things down into "good/bad" is just too simplistic for me.

I agree, in order to make the argument that everything that happens is either good or evil, you really need to start out by defining what a good act is, and what an evil act is, and that almost always will come back to a particular view point on God, which as I've said before can be used to turn obviously bad things into righteous acts for the good of human kind everywhere.

[Crispy123]

My problem with the "good vs. evil" stuff is it usually gets back to God, and I can't see how God can be seen as the "good" one if he's all-powerful and yet he's letting it happen.

I'm not saying there isn't a God...actually, I think there is, but I think he/she/it/whatever is a lot more complicated than just being the "good one."

Trying to break things down into "good/bad" is just too simplistic for me.

I don't know about simplistic. Going back to biology, from what we do know, you either have harmony and order(life) or you have disorder and chaos (death). If we can see this in plants, animals and microscopic organisms why is it so hard to believe this would also be going on on a grander scale? I will give you this, the terms good and evil can be subjective but I would think we can all agree taking advantage of disabled kids in any way would fall into the latter.

I can't claim to know if there is or isn't a God or Gods. I will say I do believe there is a struggle and I hope my life(s) brings about goodness and order.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't know about simplistic. Going back to biology, from what we do know, you either have harmony and order(life) or you have disorder and chaos (death). If we can see this in plants, animals and microscopic organisms why is it so hard to believe this would also be going on on a grander scale? I will give you this, the terms good and evil can be subjective but I would think we can all agree taking advantage of disabled kids in any way would fall into the latter.

I can't claim to know if there is or isn't a God or Gods. I will say I do believe there is a struggle and I hope my life(s) brings about goodness and order.

Obviously, molesting disabled kids is pretty far into the "fucked up" side of things, but again, the reasonings behind why people do these things are insanely, pun intended, varied. Yes, I think you'd find little argument that the act or actions themselves are specifically "evil," but the person behind those acts is where you run into some trouble.

And I'm not trying to explain this stuff away or get him off the hook...I'm talking in terms of being able to make broad sweeping generalizations as to who is "good and bad" and why and how, etc., etc..

I also think talking about a "struggle" isn't really all that applicable because that seems to imply that this is a scenario that someone can win or lose or will ultimately be "finished" at some point.

[cupcakelove]

I don't know about simplistic. Going back to biology, from what we do know, you either have harmony and order(life) or you have disorder and chaos (death). If we can see this in plants, animals and microscopic organisms why is it so hard to believe this would also be going on on a grander scale? I will give you this, the terms good and evil can be subjective but I would think we can all agree taking advantage of disabled kids in any way would fall into the latter.

I can't claim to know if there is or isn't a God or Gods. I will say I do believe there is a struggle and I hope my life(s) brings about goodness and order.

I don't know if I really buy into the idea that there's a constant struggle going on between good and evil. I don't think you can have one with out the other, and both only exist because humans are here to decide that something is good or if something is evil.

[Crispy123]

We dont agree that there is good and bad in the universe. I don't know why but I realize that religion is something people do not agree on.

In this instance, this guy, caught and confessed would he be capable of redemption? This guy is going to more than likely die in jail. If he can't be rehabilitated why keep him alive? He is going to be in prison wasting taxpayer money. Put a bullet through him and be done with it.

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, since when did we start talking about redemption or rehabilitation? Don't toss that out there like we've been bringing it up.

[Crispy123]

Wait, since when did we start talking about redemption or rehabilitation? Don't toss that out there like we've been bringing it up.

No. I was changing the subject because it was getting pointless to speculate on the mans motives. I have come to terms with my opinion and it certainly has not gotten any kind of support. So there ya go. :innocent: