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Freitag

08-06-2007, 04:49 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/nyregion/06newark.html?ref=nyregion

I heard about this on CBS-AM this morning... the Mayor of Newark is livid this could have happened.

Hopefully they get some information out of the kid who lived.

moochcassidy

08-06-2007, 05:16 AM

hopefully they live on your street

so whats with the 2 usernames gimmmick?

Freitag

08-06-2007, 05:21 AM

Enabling and disabling images, sigs, and avatars when I was at work and home was getting annoying. *shrug* - not hiding who I am.

And way to let something drop.

Crispy123

08-06-2007, 05:33 AM

way to let something drop.

http://www.harpmagazine.com/img/news/20070503_Beastie_Boys.jpg

moochcassidy

08-06-2007, 05:38 AM

Enabling and disabling images, sigs, and avatars when I was at work and home was getting annoying. *shrug* - not hiding who I am.

And way to let something drop.

you let it drop

you felt the need to shite in my thread. here's my effort.

i see the 'forcing people out of .net' accusation hit a nerve. its possible, you are one of the more obnoxiously annoying people on here, but too insignificant for anyone to care that much.

but this pompous dismissal of EVERYONE that does something to support/protect the show, beyond some imaginary rules youve dreamt up in your own little radio fantasy world, is a big reason for the exodus.

you personify everything crap about this site

Hottub

08-06-2007, 05:42 AM

Knock it off, you two. Take it to P.M.

Keep the thread on track.

Freitag

08-06-2007, 05:44 AM

you let it drop

you felt the need to shite in my thread. here's my effort.

i see the 'forcing people out of .net' accusation hit a nerve. its possible, you are one of the more obnoxiously annoying people on here, but too insignificant for anyone to care that much.

but this pompous dismissal of EVERYONE that does something to support/protect the show, beyond some imaginary rules youve dreamt up in your own little radio fantasy world, is a big reason for the exodus.

you personify everything crap about this site

Hey Mooch?

What Pompous dismissal? I said it was a good thing. Then someone came in who worked on it, said, "yeah, we made it great, didn't we? We're awesome". And he had come in here bashing the site more than once. That's what hit a nerve.

Say what you want, but I never ever wished someone would be murdered. See a few posts upthread.

It's funny how easily I can let things drop, but you obviously can't.

Freitag

08-06-2007, 05:44 AM

Acknowledgement of Tub's post. Mine was written before I saw his.

It's dropped.

Midkiff

08-06-2007, 05:50 AM

Is that Matty Freitags?

Oh, that sucks that those kids got shot.

Freitag

08-06-2007, 05:52 AM

It appears that there's also a $20,000 reward for information.

Earlshog

08-06-2007, 06:33 AM

Freitag

08-06-2007, 06:39 AM

A buddy of mine works for Dyfess in Newark and they have a very serious gang problem. Its such a shame that in a state as wealthy as New Jersey, there largest city is in such turmoil, especially a city with such close proximity to New York City. Poor planning, mis management, corruption, etc. has really taken its toll. Hopefully this Corey Booker can get things turned around.

That's what makes this story so much more tragic; these weren't gang kids; they were working to get out of Newark.

I agree with you about Booker; he seems serious about making a change. But if Asbury Park is an indication, it'll take decades for the city to improve.

buzzard

08-06-2007, 06:47 AM

How could the media declare this to be not robbery or drugs involved,they say; "gang related" already? seems like a rush to judgement.

Earlshog

08-06-2007, 06:58 AM

That's what makes this story so much more tragic; these weren't gang kids; they were working to get out of Newark.

I agree with you about Booker; he seems serious about making a change. But if Asbury Park is an indication, it'll take decades for the city to improve.

Yeah that is terrible that innocent people get caught up in the game.

Newark is going to have a much tougher time with a renaissance then Asbury Park. Asbury has 20.000 people and Newark has more the 250,000. Newark was very poorly planned, the city is cut into sections due to all the major highways (Rt 9, 21, 22, Turnpike, GSP, 280) and while it certain areas are very nice, the Riverfront in particular, many parts of the city really do not have much going for them.

Earlshog

08-06-2007, 07:02 AM

How could the media declare this to be not robbery or drugs involved,they say; "gang related" already? seems like a rush to judgement.

they must have some evidence... no way the media would rush to judge.... :wink:

DarkHippie

08-06-2007, 07:59 AM

We should get the mafia in there to clean it up

keithy_19

08-06-2007, 08:11 AM

But if Asbury Park is an indication, it'll take decades for the city to improve.

I bet if we were to fill Newark with homosexuals you might see the change that Asbury is finally getting.

SinA

08-06-2007, 10:01 AM

Knock it off, you two. Take it to P.M.

Keep the thread on track.

stay on target!
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Hottub

08-06-2007, 10:06 AM

They are also attempting to clean up A.C. more than just 2 blocks away from the casinos.
Talk about an uphill battle.

Freitag

08-06-2007, 10:38 AM

They are also attempting to clean up A.C. more than just 2 blocks away from the casinos.
Talk about an uphill battle.

I think AC is easier to clean up than Newark. I've seen a marked improvement down there.

I think AC is helped by the ton of casino money that is poured into it.

mdr55

08-06-2007, 03:02 PM

Fucking A. That's some crazy shit.

Gang initiation or something like a message to others ("You leave the hood when we say you leave the hood" or "the only way you leave the 9 is in a body bag"<--from Malibu's Most Wanted movie)

Why don't the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton put their energies to stopping black on black crime?

bigredd

08-06-2007, 04:38 PM

My initial thought was to come up with something awful to post here but then I thought better of it. I had the unfortunate experience of visiting the scene of my granfather's murder when I was six; he was shot and killed in his own bed and I was there four to six hours later. While I was young I'll never forget the pain my mother, grandmother and uncle went through. I'm not a religious person at all but I'll damn sure say a prayer for the families of those kids.

A.J.

08-06-2007, 09:59 PM

Why don't the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton put their energies to stopping black on black crime?

THEN what would they do for a "living"?

sailor

08-06-2007, 10:10 PM

Why don't the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton put their energies to stopping black on black crime?

i never get the whole need to stop just "black on black crime". does that mean black crime would be ok as long as it wasn't directed at other blacks? it's what is implied by it.

Justice4all

08-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Why don't the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton put their energies to stopping black on black crime?

Because every time Al Sharpton tries ANYTHING he puts his size gazillon blubber foot in his oversized mouth! If he is smart he would lay low because of Duke University.

Hey Al....what...no apology for being a fuck up like you thought Imus was?

I am getting off track here.

This hit-like murder was a crime because it happened to GOOD people this time, not some gang scumbags who thicken the gene pool with their untimely death.

I met an officer who works in Newark at a party recently, he told me an amazing stat.

Toronto had only 95 homicides last year as compared to Newarks 113.
The kicker?
There are over 2 MILLION people in Toronto.
Only 250,000 in Newark.
The problems are the Crips and Bloods going at it...again and again and again.
It even amazed the officer that Newark did not take the title of shittiest city from Camden.
(and for all you anal retentive folks who need the facts straight...I know Camden was #4 in the nation but it was shocking it beat out Newark at ALL)

citymedic27

08-07-2007, 05:21 AM

How could the media declare this to be not robbery or drugs involved,they say; "gang related" already? seems like a rush to judgement.

Its really easy for them because they dont face a consequence (sp) if they are wrong. Remember those kids in camden a couple of yrs ago that they thought were "kidnapped by a neighborhood sex offender" they turned out to be locked in a trunk playing a game.

This is an awful crime, 3 innocent kids killed in Newark, is awful, hopefully they catch the gang banging animals that did this. If they dont deserve the death penaltiy then who does? Not gang bangers or cop killers?? Newark has a bad gang problem and like boston, it cant be solved over night. Kids need options, programs and activites to do. Will the guardian angels make a stop in newark?

MadMatt

08-07-2007, 06:01 AM

Freitag

08-07-2007, 06:46 AM

What's the word on the girl that was shot and is still alive? I know she was shot in the head, but is there any hope she will come out of it or be able to help the investigation?

I'm in the area and there aren't a lot of details yet. A lot of outrage, but not too many details.

Apparently she is in stable condition, but in no condition to talk; and if she is talking, they haven't said she has because they want to catch these guys.

MadMatt

08-07-2007, 07:01 AM

Apparently she is in stable condition, but in no condition to talk; and if she is talking, they haven't said she has because they want to catch these guys.

Having been shot in the head, I figured she might not be talking "yet."

I'm thinking she might not EVER come out of it or is really in horrible condition, but they aren't releasing any details to help sweat out the perpetrators.

DolaMight

08-07-2007, 07:02 AM

Wait these "Good Kids" are black, I'm confused. I thought that "Good Kids" was the PC term of politicians and the media meaning "White Kids". They've really got to be more consistent.

scottinnj

08-07-2007, 02:27 PM

I think AC is easier to clean up than Newark. I've seen a marked improvement down there.

I think AC is helped by the ton of casino money that is poured into it.

That would be a "No"

Sorry, but A.C. is just as bad as Newark. Maybe not as big as Newark, so the crime stats are different, but when you walk two blocks the wrong way from the Taj Majal and see absolute poverty, drug and alcohol abuse and crime, you'd agree it's still a desperate town.

As for Newark, its a bad crime area, but even this is just over the top. The report says these kids were killed execution style, lined up against a wall and shot.
No respect for life anymore, such senseless violence.

scottinnj

08-07-2007, 02:32 PM

Wait these "Good Kids" are black, I'm confused. I thought that "Good Kids" was the PC term of politicians and the media meaning "White Kids". They've really got to be more consistent.

Media definition of "Good Kids"=Black kids who can read and properly enunciate their names.

^That's not a joke^

I wonder if Patton Oswalt's cellphone would work anywhere near the crime scene?

^That's a joke^

Freitag

08-08-2007, 06:04 AM

Having been shot in the head, I figured she might not be talking "yet."

I'm thinking she might not EVER come out of it or is really in horrible condition, but they aren't releasing any details to help sweat out the perpetrators.

It's easy to be "shot in the head" (Media's definition) and be fine. If the bullet grazed her, she's still shot in the head, but she'll be out of the hospital in a week.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/08/nyt_police_are_close_to_identi.html

Apparently she told them what happened. Botched robbery gone wrong.

Thebazile78

08-09-2007, 06:54 AM

Word on the AP Wire today is that they've arrested someone in connection with the shootings.

The girl who survived is in the hospital and is coherent enough to help investigators with their work.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_re_us/schoolyard_killings

Poor kid; her brother and friends will be buried this Saturday.

Mayor Booker may not be as deeply entrenched in corruption as Sharpe James, but I believe in him. Newark has had a different "feel" to it since he was elected and, despite the fact that I still fucking hate this city, I believe Newark can come back from the dead under the stewardship of Mayor Booker.

Kris10

08-09-2007, 07:35 AM

Newark, Camden, AC.... they all need a lot of money to clean up but you know that money is going into the politicans pockets and not where it needs to go.

Justice4all

08-09-2007, 07:59 AM

Freitag

08-09-2007, 09:04 AM

Freitag

08-09-2007, 09:05 AM

What is the over/under for how many days from opening day that someone gets mugged/carjacked/car stolen?

For what it's worth, I think Mayor Booker will probably employ extra cops to protect the major areas around the stadium on game/event days, similar to what the Yankees do at the Stadium.

Of course, that probably means that other areas of Newark go unprotected.

mdr55

08-09-2007, 02:56 PM

My bat. It wasn't black on black crime.

One of the suspects was a peruvian and he turned himself in.

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/08/large_arrest2L.jpg

So how long till Al Sharpton comes out? He could go after the illegals, tighter boarder patrols....heck he could go after Hulk Hogan and Wrestling.

I hope they catch the other people involved in this.

Thebazile78

08-09-2007, 04:43 PM

And let's not forget in 2 months we will have 15,000 hockey fans coming into this shithole-we-call-a-city to watch the Devils play.

Yea this is JUST what this city needs.

What is the over/under for how many days from opening day that someone gets mugged/carjacked/car stolen?

The Prudential Center is two blocks from where I work; I like to check out the building progress from our lounge windows. . .it's fascinating to see the welders and the glass installers working. My biggest concern about the arena has always been selfish: how is this gonna fuck up my commute? (Just ask Matty how irrational I was getting about the extra traffic and potentially drunken hockey fans after they broke ground on the place!)

The area where it's located isn't really high on the mugging/carjacking types of criminal offenses. While I'm not comfortable walking the 500 feet from the side entry of my office to the parking lot in the dark, and if I am working late in the Fall or Winter will ask a male coworker to escort me to the lot until the attendant brings my car, I wouldn't say it's particularly deadly to be where I work.

Mostly, there are the regulars: a schizophrenic who walks around on Clinton Street (this is a one-way street that borders my building), the crackhead who ran through our building lobby two days ago and the four or five homeless people who sleep on the sidewalks lining Beaver Street. And, because they're homeless, you can usually smell them coming long before they sneak up on you.

They're making the section of Mulberry Street that borders "The Rock" into some sort of pedestrian walkway (and are fucking with the traffic on Market Street and McCarter Highway, not to mention all the Prudential employees' parking lots) and you can't spit without hitting a cop on the sites.

In addition, all the surrounding streets are adding barricades and these concrete and/or steel posts in the sidewalks (which are being expanded daily; OY! the jackhammers are killing me!) to prevent people from parking on the sidewalks. Many of the streets around the Center are one-way, so there's likely to be more control over traffic, reducing the number of ways to get away from the site (I mean, it's almost like you can only take Broad Street or McCarter Highway to get to-and-from the place)

Carjacking is probably unlikely. Stolen cars, while a possibility, are also unlikely. The criminal element is accustomed to a higher police (and building security) presence in the area during the day . . . and there are easier pickings across Broad Street and in the Ironbound, where most of the people live.

HOWEVER, I wouldn't rule out any muggings or other random acts of violence, considering the fact that Newark-Penn Station is 3 or 4 blocks away along some poorly lit streets and you can't cut through the Gateway Center after 7pm to avoid it . . . and, since this is New Jersey, you really can't plan on calling a cab.

Mayor Booker has done a great deal to reduce the other types of crime that Newark has struggled with since the '60s, but, unfortunately, the murder rate has remained high. He's pissed about this. I don't blame him.

He's also not in the back pockets of the Essex County Machine, jerking off the old money and giving plum positions in the government to his cronies. . .so, there's hope. If he stays in office, keeps his nose clean and continues in the current vein, Newark's "renaissance" (you know, the one they've been hyping for a million years?) will actually happen.

A.J.

08-10-2007, 04:19 AM

Beaver Street.

Is that where all the hookers are?

angrymissy

08-10-2007, 07:26 AM

Yup, turns out this guy was in the country illegally and has a long criminal record.

Illegal immigrant rapes a 5 year old for 4 years... released on bond

Tries to assault a man with a broken bottle... release on bond again

No reporting of his illegal status to any governmental agencies.

Finally, kills 3 teens and tries to kill a 4th.

WTF. Why are people like this allowed back on the streets? Not only is he in this country ILLEGALLY, he committed violent crimes and was not reported to immigration.

pennington

08-10-2007, 07:51 AM

WTF. Why are people like this allowed back on the streets? Not only is he in this country ILLEGALLY, he committed violent crimes and was not reported to immigration.

A great question to ask the brilliant Senators you have in NY and we have in NJ. It's also time for reporters to ask this to all the Presidential candidates.

It's my feeling that if you're here illegally and you're arrested or you've finished a jail term, you do not get released back into the general population, you get put on a plane back to your home country.

angrymissy

08-10-2007, 08:01 AM

A great question to ask the brilliant Senators you have in NY and we have in NJ. It's also time for reporters to ask this to all the Presidential candidates.

It's my feeling that if you're here illegally and you're arrested or you've finished a jail term, you do not get released back into the general population, you get put on a plane back to your home country.

Or a great question to ask the PRESIDENT. Idiots on both sides.

I agree - why would you release a CHILD RAPIST on bail, when he is here illegally??? Wouldn't that constitute a flight risk in and of itself?

Kevin

08-10-2007, 08:06 AM

15,000? Slow down.

What he said..

Maybe when The Rangers play and there are 14999 Ranger fans..

Fat_Sunny

08-10-2007, 08:08 AM

Mayor Booker has done a great deal to reduce the other types of crime that Newark has struggled with since the '60s, but, unfortunately, the murder rate has remained high. He's pissed about this. I don't blame him.

He's also not in the back pockets of the Essex County Machine, jerking off the old money and giving plum positions in the government to his cronies. . .so, there's hope. If he stays in office, keeps his nose clean and continues in the current vein, Newark's "renaissance" (you know, the one they've been hyping for a million years?) will actually happen.

People Have Placed Alot Of Hope And Faith In Mayor Booker, And It Is Nice To Hear From You That He Hasn't Betrayed That. There Must Be Alot Of Pressure On Him From The NJ "Machine". If He Can Resist That, Maybe He Really Will Be A Hero.

riverofpiss

08-10-2007, 11:38 AM

I'm not a total believer in capital punishment but when something like this happens I start to lean towards favouring it. If you beheaded them on national TV then maybe some of the other savages would think about it. Jail isn't so bad when you are a homeless illegal immigrant, getting your head slowly sawed off sucks no matter what. Then again I know nothing about criminal justice so everyone can disregard my stance on this matter.

ralphbxny

08-10-2007, 12:23 PM

What he said..

Maybe when The Rangers play and there are 14999 Ranger fans..

:thumbup::thumbup::clap::wink::wink::D

SatCam

08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

A great question to ask the brilliant Senators you have in NY and we have in NJ. It's also time for reporters to ask this to all the Presidential candidates.

It's my feeling that if you're here illegally and you're arrested or you've finished a jail term, you do not get released back into the general population, you get put on a plane back to your home country.

then what about the millions of criminal citizens? why do they get to stay

TheMojoPin

08-10-2007, 03:09 PM

Capital punishment ends up being a problem when you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is guilty of the crime you're killing them for. Unless you're going to start killing people for basically every murder/rape/molestation/kidnapping/etc., it's simply not going to be an effective deterrent on the general criminal populace. Of course, once we get to that point, are we really the country we want to be at that point? And how does killing people as brutally and publically as possible make us any better than the "savages" that we rail against who already do the same? Aren't we then just giving up and admitting that their way is right?

scottinnj

08-10-2007, 05:47 PM

Capital punishment ends up being a problem when you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is guilty of the crime you're killing them for.
I am totally with you on that. I am in favor of the death penalty, but if I were on the jury, once I convicted the person of whatever crime it was, I would have to have witnesses AND DNA evidence to sentence the person to death. Circumstantial evidence is not enough, even if I could convict them of it.

Unless you're going to start killing people for basically every murder/rape/molestation/kidnapping/etc., it's simply not going to be an effective deterrent on the general criminal populace. Of course, once we get to that point, are we really the country we want to be at that point? And how does killing people as brutally and publically as possible make us any better than the "savages" that we rail against who already do the same? Aren't we then just giving up and admitting that their way is right?

Here is where we disagree. I feel the death penalty should be expanded for rape and pedophilia. As for the brutality, I don't see where we should torture a convict to death for his crime. However, take what we have, put the punishment on public tv so everyone can see it and have a scroll on the bottom explaining the crime, what occured during the crime, and at the end have it say "This will happen to you if you are convicted of the same crime."

TheMojoPin

08-10-2007, 05:52 PM

Here is where we disagree. I feel the death penalty should be expanded for rape and pedophilia. As for the brutality, I don't see where we should torture a convict to death for his crime. However, take what we have, put the punishment on public tv so everyone can see it and have a scroll on the bottom explaining the crime, what occured during the crime, and at the end have it say "This will happen to you if you are convicted of the same crime."

What do you mean public TV? How is it ultimately effective unless you essentially force everyone to watch it? If people can not watch it, they won't...putting it on something like public access would ultimately just feed the freaks that get off on torture porn flicks and Faces of Death.

And one problem with the death penalty that people argue now is that how does it deter people who are just crazy or disturbed or chemically imbalanced, etc., etc.? They're going to do what they feel they "need" to do no matter what, and that includes a LOT of sexual offenders, if not most of them. What good does public executions do to deter them?

pennington

08-11-2007, 07:00 AM

And one problem with the death penalty that people argue now is that how does it deter people who are just crazy or disturbed or chemically imbalanced, etc., etc.? They're going to do what they feel they "need" to do no matter what, and that includes a LOT of sexual offenders, if not most of them. What good does public executions do to deter them?

What good does any punishment do? People still rob your house, steal your car, mug your grandmother and rape your daughter.

What would the murder rate be if there was no penalty? There would certainly be a few less members of this board.

A.J.

08-11-2007, 11:05 PM