Warp Factor: Fuck Einstein in the Ass!

[Judge Smails]

Scientists break speed of light in lab test (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22255966-2,00.html)

IT was supposed to be the one speed limit you could not break.
But scientists claim to have demonstrated there is the possibility of travel faster than the speed of light.

The feat contradicts one of the key tenets of Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity - that nothing, under any circumstances, can move faster than 300,000km a second, or the speed of light.
Travelling faster than light also, in theory, turns back time.

According to conventional physics, a person moving beyond light speed would arrive at his destination before leaving.


Green Bitches, here I come:

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/9646/2003405471451641607_rs.jpg

[Freakshow]

It's a good thing, too. I can't drive 299,792,455.

[MadMatt]

The actual speed is somewhat arbitrary anyway. I want more explanations about the experiment. This could be cool.

EDIT: And I keep thinking, every article should start with "Suck it Einstein!" Not really; I completely respect Einstein. However, it would be funny.

[TheMojoPin]

Shut up, Aussies.

[MadMatt]

Shut up, Aussies.

There were also a pair of NEC scientists in NJ that claimed to have used a laser pulse to break the speed of light in 2000. They shot the laser through cesium vapor and it apparently reached the destination before it had fully entered the chamber.

I haven't heard anything about it since, so I don't know if it was dis proven or not. I'll try to find a link.

EDIT: Holy crap, I found it! There are 2 links for you; one is a CNN article (http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/07/20/speed.of.light.ap/)and the second is a Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijun_Wang)that talks about on e of the scientists. Very cool!

[DarkHippie]

I don't know if this actual counts, because it seems that they made light move faster than light. Energy is not matter, and has different properties.

[Death Metal Moe]

I know I'm no great thinker or anything, but isn't it thinking like "NOTHING can move faster than light" that keep us back in the stone age? We know so little about the universe, and then turn around and set up all kinds of thories and limits on what the universe can do.

It's "The Earth is flat" all over again.

[MadMatt]

I don't know if this actual counts, because it seems that they made light move faster than light. Energy is not matter, and has different properties.

Yeah, that's the problem. So far they can't figure out how to make matter move anywhere near that fast. But you have to figure, once matter can travel that fast scientists can eventually figure out how to make it move faster.

Of course, light has the aspects of both waves and particles, so there is hope.

[DarkHippie]

Yeah, that's the problem. So far they can't figure out how to make matter move anywhere near that fast. But you have to figure, once matter can travel that fast scientists can eventually figure out how to make it move faster.

Of course, light has the aspects of both waves and particles, so there is hope.

QFT

If they can figure out how to convert matter to energy, then convert it back to matter without altering it, i think we would have the answer

That's how the transporters in Star Trek work, more proof of Rodenberry's genius

[IMSlacker]

I know I'm no great thinker or anything, but isn't it thinking like "NOTHING can move faster than light" that keep us back in the stone age? We know so little about the universe, and then turn around and set up all kinds of thories and limits on what the universe can do.

It's "The Earth is flat" all over again.

Wait, we're still in the stone age? God dammit!

[keithy_19]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

Just another article about it. Shit like this blows my mind.

[keithy_19]

Wait, we're still in the stone age? God dammit!

I till my fields by horsedrawn means.

[DarkHippie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

Just another article about it. Shit like this blows my mind.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

This is where the article messed up. Photons are not objects.

[Chigworthy]

I'm only concerned with the speed of cool.

[SatCam]

I'm only concerned with the speed of cool.

about 30 mph over the speed limit and an open bottle

[SinA]

i swear i heard about this a few days ago...
wait...
that can only mean....

[Justice4all]

Scientists break speed of light in lab test (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22255966-2,00.html)

IT was supposed to be the one speed limit you could not break.
But scientists claim to have demonstrated there is the possibility of travel faster than the speed of light.

The feat contradicts one of the key tenets of Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity - that nothing, under any circumstances, can move faster than 300,000km a second, or the speed of light.
Travelling faster than light also, in theory, turns back time.

According to conventional physics, a person moving beyond light speed would arrive at his destination before leaving.


Green Bitches, here I come:

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/9646/2003405471451641607_rs.jpg


Actually I think the theory is anything that travels at the speed of light does not age. Not go back in time.

Did you ever see the end of Close Encounters?

As all the people the aliens had taken in the past 50 years were coming off of the spaceship and had not aged two scientists looked at each other
Scientist 1: Einstein WAS right!
Team Leader: Einstein was PROBABLY one of them!
(classic line)

Plus...the Green Bitches line....fantasic! :laugh:

[sailor]

Travelling faster than light also, in theory, turns back time.

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Cher-Photograph-C12142223.jpeg

[cupcakelove]

Is there anyway to go faster than the speed of light without fucking Einstein in the ass? Because that doesn't really sound too appealing to me.

[zentraed]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

[Chigworthy]

That's well and good but can we please keep this thread on topic about whether or not lleeder owns slaves. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of this.

[DarkHippie]

That's well and good but can we please keep this thread on topic about whether or not lleeder owns slaves. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of this.

He does but they're asian slaves so its ok

[pennington]

But two German physicists claim to have forced light to overcome its own speed limit using the phenomenon of quantum tunnelling.

Could this be the start of the fourth reich?? I think I'll brush up on my high-school German.

[SatCam]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

beat me to it

[MadMatt]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

For me it's less about the particulars and more about the big picture - it is possible for something to move faster than light. It's this kind of stepping stone that leads to bigger dreams and bigger discoveries.

The US went from nothing to the A-bomb, nothing to interplanetary travel, nothing to computers the size of a your palm, nothing to...

What is the next step? Big goals lead to big achievements, even if they aren't the exact achievements intended. So far there is no way to prove that Einstein is right or wrong, even if the "math works." There may be a way "around" Einstein's theories, but it will mean dreaming big and thinking outside the box.

[weekapaugjz]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

jesus. my head is still spinning trying to comprehend this. zentraed, please tell me you are some sort of rocket scientist...

[zentraed]

For me it's less about the particulars and more about the big picture - it is possible for something to move faster than light. It's this kind of stepping stone that leads to bigger dreams and bigger discoveries.

The US went from nothing to the A-bomb, nothing to interplanetary travel, nothing to computers the size of a your palm, nothing to...

What is the next step? Big goals lead to big achievements, even if they aren't the exact achievements intended. So far there is no way to prove that Einstein is right or wrong, even if the "math works." There may be a way "around" Einstein's theories, but it will mean dreaming big and thinking outside the box.

I found this by the authors (http://www.ph2.uni-koeln.de/Nimtz/paper/On_Universal_Properties_of_Tunnelling.pdf). the summary at the end discusses the non-classical bits. Einstein's still right because the photons in this experiments don't "travel" through space. they instantaneously appear somewhere else.

it always seems like we go from nothing to something amazing, but it's really just that no one but the scientists are interested in the incremental discoveries along the way. and then others, like computer technology, we throw billions and billions of dollars of research into. science is essentially monkeys at a typewriter cranking out shakespeare.

[sr71blackbird]

I found this by the authors (http://www.ph2.uni-koeln.de/Nimtz/paper/On_Universal_Properties_of_Tunnelling.pdf). the summary at the end discusses the non-classical bits. Einstein's still right because the photons in this experiments don't "travel" through space. they instantaneously appear somewhere else.

it always seems like we go from nothing to something amazing, but it's really just that no one but the scientists are interested in the incremental discoveries along the way. and then others, like computer technology, we throw billions and billions of dollars of research into. science is essentially monkeys at a typewriter cranking out shakespeare.

You are my new favorite poster!

[cupcakelove]

I found this by the authors (http://www.ph2.uni-koeln.de/Nimtz/paper/On_Universal_Properties_of_Tunnelling.pdf). the summary at the end discusses the non-classical bits. Einstein's still right because the photons in this experiments don't "travel" through space. they instantaneously appear somewhere else.

it always seems like we go from nothing to something amazing, but it's really just that no one but the scientists are interested in the incremental discoveries along the way. and then others, like computer technology, we throw billions and billions of dollars of research into. science is essentially monkeys at a typewriter cranking out shakespeare.

Hahahahaha, monkeys are funny.

[zentraed]

jesus. my head is still spinning trying to comprehend this. zentraed, please tell me you are some sort of rocket scientist...

i always detested experimental science :laugh:. i essentially do mathematical modeling whenever i'm playing scientist, but i fell in love with theoretical physics my freshman year of high school. i just wanted to suck all the magic out of the universe. "look, that's all it is!"

i wish i hadn't taken so many detours over the years. i'll probably start working on a ph.d in physics once i pay off some of these bills. i have a master's in bioinformatics, but i really don't want to be around a bunch of biologists. good money though

[Bulldogcakes]

YAY!!! I can finally stay up all night, sleep late and still be on time for work!!!

Genius!!!

[KnoxHarrington]

Just tell me when the hot alien babes get here.

[BoondockSaint]

How long until we can send Fez back to kill baby Hitler?

[MadMatt]

I found this by the authors (http://www.ph2.uni-koeln.de/Nimtz/paper/On_Universal_Properties_of_Tunnelling.pdf). the summary at the end discusses the non-classical bits. Einstein's still right because the photons in this experiments don't "travel" through space. they instantaneously appear somewhere else.

it always seems like we go from nothing to something amazing, but it's really just that no one but the scientists are interested in the incremental discoveries along the way. and then others, like computer technology, we throw billions and billions of dollars of research into. science is essentially monkeys at a typewriter cranking out shakespeare.

Of course it is incremental, but sometimes it takes great expectations to inspire those smaller discoveries. Even the longest journey starts with one step. [boy is that hack]

As I was trying to say before, I thought this was really cool because of the inspiration these discoveries can provide. Someone thinking "hey, could it be possible?" is the first step to making it so.

Your science is completely correct and I don't dispute it. However, I am looking from a dreamer's perspective.

[DolaMight]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

Comparing quantum tunneling vs. quantum entanglement is against the board rules. Read the FAQ.

Who's moderating this place, probably a celebrity mod.

[DonInNC]

oh, boy. where to begin with this thread...

first, matter is a form of energy. everything is energy. Einstein's E=mc^2 is the conversion factor for mass to it's equivalent in energy (also known as the Lorentz scalar).

Special relativity shows that objects with mass ("rest" energy. you also have energy from momentum, such as massless photons) get "heavier" the faster they go. At the speed of light, they would have infinite mass, so it would require infinite energy to get them there. that's why nothing with mass can go the speed of light.

Things that go faster than the speed of light (according to the theory), would not be moving forward in time; it would be negative.

the previous experiment with cesium showed that part of a signal moved faster than the speed of light. there's distinction between phase and group velocity. the group still took less than the speed of light, but some of the individual components got their faster.

finally... talking about quantum experiments in terms of special relativity is kind of silly. anytime you see words like quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement, it's a whole different beast. in entanglement, you can take two photons and pair them together so that they have opposite traits. you haven't measured them though, so they don't actually have either characteristic yet. now, you put them some distance apart and measure one of them. the other photon, no matter where it is, "instantly" has the opposite characteristic.

so much to talk about... i planned to be a theoretical physicist at one point. i guess it's not too late

they're

[Freakshow]

Quote:
But two German physicists claim to have forced light to overcome its own speed limit using the phenomenon of quantum tunnelling.

I like the new Quantum Tunnelling. That was what in the Bourne Ultimatum, right? Love those German cars.

[Chigworthy]

i just wanted to suck all the magic out of the universe. "look, that's all it is!"



I never get quantum sex jokes.

[TheMojoPin]

I know I'm no great thinker or anything, but isn't it thinking like "NOTHING can move faster than light" that keep us back in the stone age? We know so little about the universe, and then turn around and set up all kinds of thories and limits on what the universe can do.

It's "The Earth is flat" all over again.

YEAH. FUCK THAT BACKWARDS THINKING EINSTEIN.

[A.J.]

Let's get the impulse engines first.

[TheMojoPin]

Hyperactive-speed is where it's at.

[A.J.]

Hyperactive-speed is where it's at.

I beg to differ.

http://a5.vox.com/6a00b8ea06ece0dece00d414245d2d3c7f-120pi

[MadMatt]

"She's gone to plaid!"

http://www.geocities.com/yank2010/plaid2.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

This thread title is so hot I just can't stay out.

[Bulldogcakes]

Hyperactive-speed is where it's at.

Wormholes, my friend. Wormholes.

[Death Metal Moe]

YEAH. FUCK THAT BACKWARDS THINKING EINSTEIN.

My point was that putting all our eggs in one basket and thinking we're smarter than we actually are have been problems with humanity for as long as we've been able to think.

[ChimneyFish]

Wormholes, my friend. Wormholes.

I don't see any reason to be demeaning to women.

[zentraed]

Wormholes, my friend. Wormholes.

Wormholes vs. Warp Speed? sounds like the old Babylon 5 vs. Deep Space Nine debates.

http://www.zentraed.com/ronfez/Sisko_and_Garak.jpg

[IamFogHat]

Here in 2007, it's easy to be a Monday morning QB, but that Einstein was a silly goose when it comes to light speed, I always thought that. I never thought it would be broken in my lifetime, I guess I have to adjust that to it will never be practical in my time.
Look, just think of all the things 100, 50, or whatever years ago that top notch minds said were not improbable but impossible and yet we have. This is amazing news but us geeks shouldn't get excited for another some odd years.

[furie]

we can barely get a shuttle up now a days, so I think warp drive/hyperdrive/jump engines are a ways off.

[DolaMight]

This thread title is so hot I just can't stay out.

I wish you came out, I'd give you the einstein treatment. [whatever emoticon that means i was kidding insert here] {no phixed it's please}

[sailor]

Here in 2007, it's easy to be a Monday morning QB, but that Einstein was a silly goose when it comes to light speed, I always thought that. I never thought it would be broken in my lifetime, I guess I have to adjust that to it will never be practical in my time.
Look, just think of all the things 100, 50, or whatever years ago that top notch minds said were not improbable but impossible and yet we have. This is amazing news but us geeks shouldn't get excited for another some odd years.

what do we have now that scientists said was impossible?

[deepinthewoods]

they're

'There,' actually, though remember your grammer rules about these homonyms:

'Their' is a possesive pronoun; 'They're' is a contraction of 'they' and 'are;' 'There' is an adverb. However, 'their' can be used in place of 'there' in cases where the word appears in the middle of a godhead-motherfucker of an erudite elucidation on the subject of quantum mechanics and/or kinetic theory (Daniel Webster, Nov. 1843)

So their

[badmonkey]

Scientists: We've finally broken the speed of light!!!!
Some guy: Neat! what did ya use to do it?
Scientists: uh... we used light.
Some guy: so you're saying you made light move faster than light?
Scientists: crap.

[DonInNC]

'There,' actually, though remember your grammer rules about these homonyms:

'Their' is a possesive pronoun; 'They're' is a contraction of 'they' and 'are;' 'There' is an adverb. However, 'their' can be used in place of 'there' in cases where the word appears in the middle of a godhead-motherfucker of an erudite elucidation on the subject of quantum mechanics and/or kinetic theory (Daniel Webster, Nov. 1843)

So their

I was wondering if the irony was too subtle. Thanks for the clarification.

[deepinthewoods]

I was wondering if the irony was too subtle. Thanks for the clarification.

I also misspelled grammar to heighten the irony, which tavels faster than light here in Portland, Oregon.

[FMJeff]

i would've thought mike the teacher be all over this thread. you're slippin mike.

[sr71blackbird]

I always though that thought is faster than light. I can imagine the distance between the Earth and the Sun and traverse that distance instantly, but I know light takes 7 minutes to get here from the Sun...

[FUNKMAN]

dark is equally as fast

[badmonkey]

dark is equally as fast

and it's afraid of the light...