Were these Cops? Video of Summmit of America Protest alleged "Provocateurs"

[DolaMight]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070822/montebello_cops_070822/20070822?hub=TopStories

Normally I give the cops the benefit of the doubt but this video has me doubting whether these 3 "protesters" were real fuck the man protesters.

Things that set these protesters apart from the norm:

-Protesters clearly work out, enjoy steriod health drinks(health nuts)
-Same bandana's, like they just bought them
-protester has hat twisted to the side, anti-the man protesters are always anti-rap
-when shit hits the fan the protesters just lean into the cops, appear to have words and are gently arrested.
-The size of the rocks they were supposed to throw doesn't match the fight they put up being arrested

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The national police and state police here are denying this and that they use uncover agents.

I think the cops have a right to be undercover, this is not outside their rights to prevent violence. They should just post images of these perps and prove they're not cops because if they are inciting a riot is pretty bad PR for them.

[Bulldogcakes]

I honestly don't care a wit if protesters are getting fucked with. Protests haven't accomplished shit for most of my lifetime (37) in the US. There have been some memorable ones overseas (Tiannamen Square comes to mind) but in the US its largely a waste of time. Not even worth the traffic they cause. The Iraq war protests fell on deaf ears, The million man march accomplished nothing, the No Nukes protests of the 70's look foolish through the lens of history. And the people who show up for these things are usually from the far, far fringes of the political spectrum, usually the Left but occasionally the Right. So they rarely move anyone, if anything they cause both sides to dig in deeper.

Waste of time. If someone can name me a US protest that accomplished anything since Vietnam please tell me, because I cant think of any that ever did.

[ChrisTheCop]

He's right and he's wrong.

Right: they were probably cops.

Wrong: in his pronounciation of the word, "provacateur".
This aint the mickey mouse club.

It is not uncommon for outside antagonists to appear at a demonstration to rile the crowd up. even if the organizers dont want them there. So the fact that no one knew these men isnt the odd part. Its the treatment they received by the police that has me thinking they were probably police "agents". And their subsequent disappearance.

Just my guess.

[Thrice]

Check out this photo taken of the "protesters."

http://cupe.ca/gallery/albums/montebello-monday/Montebello_20_ao_t_050.sized.jpg

Notice anything similar about their footwear?

[ChrisTheCop]

Check out this photo taken of the "protesters."

http://cupe.ca/gallery/albums/montebello-monday/Montebello_20_ao_t_050.sized.jpg

Notice anything similar about their footwear?

yeah. i read the story too. But if it didnt work in the oj case, it doesnt work here.

even though i agree with you.

just sayin.

[Thrice]

yeah. i read the story too. But if it didnt work in the oj case, it doesnt work here.

even though i agree with you.

just sayin.

Something just ain't right.

[DolaMight]

Wrong: in his pronounciation of the word, "provacateur".

And from the moment he threw it out there he musta said it every third word. So proud of his scrabble prowess. He thought this was gonna be his big CNN moment and he'd be the "provacateur" civil rights guy.

Apparently he's a union leader for the civil service here, and I've formerly paid union dues to him in the past. I never got what that union did for us then and I don't get his official presence there now.

[Snacks]

they are definitely cops. Look at the video closely, you will see the one leaning into the side of the troopers talking to them. Plus when these 3 act the way they are acting, they would have been beaten with the clubs for doing what they were doing not brushed a little and nothing major happened to them. But if everyone was doing what they were doing then it would have been a riot, but the others (protesters) knew so backed off.

This is more proof how the police arent about keeping the peace they are about breaking up what they dont like or want. There is no reason for police to ever do this. Regular peaceful protesters could have gotten killed because the police didnt want the protest or because they wanted to make the protesters look like savages and have everyone else side against the protest and or the protesters in the media.

This is wrong, and people wonder why we dont trust the police or the justice system anymore.

[suggums]

I honestly don't care a wit if protesters are getting fucked with. Protests haven't accomplished shit for most of my lifetime (37) in the US. There have been some memorable ones overseas (Tiannamen Square comes to mind) but in the US its largely a waste of time. Not even worth the traffic they cause. The Iraq war protests fell on deaf ears, The million man march accomplished nothing, the No Nukes protests of the 70's look foolish through the lens of history. And the people who show up for these things are usually from the far, far fringes of the political spectrum, usually the Left but occasionally the Right. So they rarely move anyone, if anything they cause both sides to dig in deeper.

Waste of time. If someone can name me a US protest that accomplished anything since Vietnam please tell me, because I cant think of any that ever did.


waaaaaa

go suck an egg, what does this have to do with obvious fake protesters? fuckin false flag operations are not the road the US should be taking

[ChrisTheCop]

they are definitely cops. Look at the video closely, you will see the one leaning into the side of the troopers talking to them. Plus when these 3 act the way they are acting, they would have been beaten with the clubs for doing what they were doing not brushed a little and nothing major happened to them. But if everyone was doing what they were doing then it would have been a riot, but the others (protesters) knew so backed off.

This is more proof how the police arent about keeping the peace they are about breaking up what they dont like or want. There is no reason for police to ever do this. Regular peaceful protesters could have gotten killed because the police didnt want the protest or because they wanted to make the protesters look like savages and have everyone else side against the protest and or the protesters in the media.

This is wrong, and people wonder why we dont trust the police or the justice system anymore.

waaaaaa

go suck an egg, what does this have to do with obvious fake protesters? fuckin false flag operations are not the road the US should be taking

these 2 comments are what i was afraid of.
this wasnt in the usa, first of all, and is not a common practice in the nypd.

this was perhaps some canadian bureaucrats great idea over lunch the previous day, cause he saw it in a movie once. lets not go say "this is why we dont trust cops" and "us shouldnt be taking this road" because those comments have little to do with what we are seeing here.

Also, youre making a drastic conclusion based on your guess (and mine) that these were cops.

I'm also guessing the red sox win tonights game.
does that ALONE mean theyre going to win the world series?

lets keep things in perspective.

[SatCam]

http://cupe.ca/gallery/albums/montebello-monday/Montebello_20_ao_t_050.sized.jpg

gas masks? fuckin pussies

[ChrisTheCop]

gas masks? fuckin pussies

hey, at least the "undercovers" werent wearing them too!

[Fezticle98]

DCPD did a similar thing during Bush's first inauguration in 2001. They planted a bunch of undercovers amongst the protesters and were accused of encouraging violence. The city ended up settling a lawsuit for around $650,000.

[sailor]

these 2 comments are what i was afraid of.
this wasnt in the usa, first of all, and is not a common practice in the nypd.

this was perhaps some canadian bureaucrats great idea over lunch the previous day, cause he saw it in a movie once. lets not go say "this is why we dont trust cops" and "us shouldnt be taking this road" because those comments have little to do with what we are seeing here.

Also, youre making a drastic conclusion based on your guess (and mine) that these were cops.

I'm also guessing the red sox win tonights game.
does that ALONE mean theyre going to win the world series?

lets keep things in perspective.

i agree the red sox will not win the world series. great point, chris! :happy:

[ChrisTheCop]

i agree the red sox will not win the world series. great point, chris! :happy:

AND they didnt win tonight...so there!

[A.J.]

Damn Foreigners.

http://www.vinylzart.com/images/AlbumCovers-Foreigner-AgentProvocateur(1984).jpg

[Chigworthy]

This is more proof how the police arent about keeping the peace they are about breaking up what they dont like or want.

Do you really believe this? I mean, as a blanket statement, this is a ridiculously juvenile and inaccurate thing to say.

[Yerdaddy]

They were cops. They were dressed like the "black block" anarchists who show up at every big protest and try to get thier heads cracked open by the cops. They are a small minority - no more than 30 of them at the 2001 anti-globalization protest in DC with over 100,000 people. But they are highly visible for their black clothes and bandanas and for the fact that they are usually the only ones committing acts of violence at all of these protests. The press love them. In 2001 they found a police barrier that had only two or three cops and about 15 of these guys attacked it, pulling down the barriers and trying to mob the cops, but they failed because about three camera men had climbed under the barrier between the cops and the protesters filming the violence that sells so well but at the same time blocking the little punks from being able to get the barrier down and jump the cops before reinforcements arrived. I watched it on the news later that night and it looked much more exciting than the real life version.

These "provovateur" cops missed the point that the black blockers are either 100 pound teenagers who hate their parents or 300 pound chicken hawks who run the show and get the teens to let them blow them between protests. None of them are big muscle bound 30 year olds wearing police boots. To anyone who's ever been to one of these big protests these guys look about as convincing as high school football players dressing up as cheerleaders at an assembly.

These guys were "arrested" when their cover was blown. They were clearly restrained by something or they would have knocked that old man out instead of cowering against the wall and that skinny guy who pulled the guy's mask down would have been eating tofu out of a straw. Cops posing as violent protesters would be restained by the fact that they and the department would be liable for any violence against civilians. They were probaby planning on attacking or threatenging cops giving them cause to arrest everyone nearby.

In the beginning of the video the union guy is telling them to go somewhere else because they were committing or threatening violence and that's unwelcome at a peaceful protest. (In 2001 I was near a police line and one of the "black block" punks was trying to grab the facemask of a cop without getting grabbed by him. I gave him a hard elbow to the back into the arms of the cop. It was the highlight of my day because those little fucking pricks do nothing but undermine the message of the vast majority of protesters that go to these things - including mine.) When the three cops approach the uniformed cops the union leader tells them to "leave these guys alone." I suspect what was happening was the three were threatening the line of cops. The union leader was trying to prevent attacks on cops and I don't find that surprising at all.

They're cops and they were planted to make peaceful protests look like violent ones. Any police or police officials involved in this conspiracy should lose their jobs.

I also remember Quebec had one of the first big antiglobalization protests - either just before or after the Seattle mess - around 2000/2001 and the police chief making very threatening remarks about how he would treat protesters. Then during the protests the cops wasted no time firing tear gas cannisters at people, firing rubber bullets and taking other aggressive actions that causes more violence than it prevents. By comparison, Chief Ramsey of DC adopted the tactic of bringing in tons of cops from nearby cities and standing them around the protest areas and told to use extreme restraint. The result was a couple hundred thousand people and very very little violence. This has become the model for policing protests around the country. It sounds like Quebec police haven't learned shit since 2000. Maybe after some heads roll.

[Fezticle98]

These "provovateur" cops missed the point that the black blockers are either 100 pound teenagers who hate their parents or 300 pound chicken hawks who run the show and get the teens to let them blow them between protests. None of them are big muscle bound 30 year olds wearing police boots. To anyone who's ever been to one of these big protests these guys look about as convincing as high school football players dressing up as cheerleaders at an assembly.



You make a very sexy point.

[Yerdaddy]

You make a very sexy point.

I gotta spend less time in Bangkok.

[Crispy123]

I gotta spend less time in cock.

Hey, we're not here to judge...it don't make you a bad person.

[CaptClown]

I gotta spend less time in Bangkok.

Well you know what they say, "One night in Bankok makes a hard man Humble."

[Thrice]

Provocteurs were in fact Quebec cops.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html

PWNT by YouTube video. That's pretty fucking disgusting.

[Chigworthy]

I gotta spend less time Bang in kok.

There you go.

edit: P.S. Phuket from behind!

[Yerdaddy]

Hey, we're not here to judge...it don't make you a bad person.

Well you know what they say, "One night in Bankok makes a hard man Humble."

There you go.

edit: P.S. Phuket from behind!

Are you guys trying to insinuate something?

Does it make me less gay if it tastes just like chicken?

[Yerdaddy]

Provocteurs were in fact Quebec cops.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html

PWNT by YouTube video. That's pretty fucking disgusting.

Police said the three were told to monitor protesters who were not peacefully demonstrating to prevent any violent incidents, but they were called out as undercover agents when they refused to throw objects.

The cops are claiming the opposite of what we saw in the video. Somebody get Rodney King cleaned up and some fresh Jerri-Curl for when the cops get acquitted.

[Thrice]

The cops are claiming the opposite of what we saw in the video. Somebody get Rodney King cleaned up and some fresh Jerri-Curl for when the cops get acquitted.

Well now, THAT would explain why that fucking cop was the only person holding a rock. Everyone else had already thrown theirs, obviously.

Once again, fucking disgusting.

[scottinnj]

I gottaTAKE MORE PICTURES in Bangkok.

Fixed it for ya!

[scottinnj]

The cops are claiming the opposite of what we saw in the video. Somebody get Rodney King cleaned up and some fresh Jerri-Curl for when the cops get acquitted.

Well now, THAT would explain why that fucking cop was the only person holding a rock. Everyone else had already thrown theirs, obviously.

Once again, fucking disgusting.

Yeah, but fucking HILARIOUS!

Am I right? Am I right?