Pizza for pesos marks decline of dollar.

[Thrice]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1444301420070829

When Pizza Patrón announced plans to accept Mexican pesos in its 59 Southwestern stores, the Dallas-based fast food chain was besieged by anti-illegal immigrant hate mail and even death threats.

But rather than fear for its life, the company used the Mexican currency to make a killing.

"From the new business perspective, it has been phenomenally successful," said Andrew Gamm, director of brand development for Pizza Patrón.

I love it. This company has broken no law but because they are seen as some sort of friend to the illegals they receive death threats. Never mind the fact that LEGAL immigrants and tourists from Mexico who just may happen to have pesos also do enjoy pizza on occasion. Gotta love Americans! We're so tolerant.

[Fat_Sunny]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1444301420070829



I love it. This company has broken no law but because they are seen as some sort of friend to the illegals they receive death threats. Never mind the fact that LEGAL immigrants and tourists from Mexico who just may happen to have pesos also do enjoy pizza on occasion. Gotta love Americans! We're so tolerant.

Actually, Compared To The Rest Of The World, We Americans Are Incredibly Tolerant. Spend Some Time In Europe And See How The Average German Treats A Turk; Or How The French Treat Algerians; Or How The Swedes Treat Anyone Without Blue Eyes. You Would Be Very Surprised.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im Starvin. "Earl we got any pizza around here"?

[Thrice]

Actually, Compared To The Rest Of The World, We Americans Are Incredibly Tolerant. Spend Some Time In Europe And See How The Average German Treats A Turk; Or How The French Treat Algerians; Or How The Swedes Treat Anyone Without Blue Eyes. You Would Be Very Surprised.



Of course there is intolerance everywhere in the world but you've got to admit that this country is prone to xenophobia. From the Irish and Chinese in the late 19th century to the Italians in early 20th century to the Japanese in the 40s to Mexicans today. It amazes me how easy it is for citizens of my country to hate human beings based solely on their nation of origin. Also lets not forget how Blacks were treated from day one up until the late 1960s. We love to hate what is foreign in this country.

[Snacks]

Of course there is intolerance everywhere in the world but you've got to admit that this country is prone to xenophobia. From the Irish and Chinese in the late 19th century to the Italians in early 20th century to the Japanese in the 40s to Mexicans today. It amazes me how easy it is for citizens of my country to hate human beings based solely on their nation of origin. Also lets not forget how Blacks were treated from day one up until the late 1960s. We love to hate what is foreign in this country.

well said. You have now become one of my favorite new posters!

[Don Stugots]

tolerant? this country was founded by uptight sticks in the mud that came here to live a clean life.

[Fat_Sunny]

We love to hate what is foreign in this country.

All Humanity Does. Do A Little Research On How The Japanese Perceive The American Blacks, Or How The Arab Countries Think Of And Treat Black Africans.

Yes, The US Has A Long And At Times Not Pretty History Of Race Relations. But In The Year 2007, F_S Would Submit To You That America Is By Far The Most Tolerant Country On Earth.

[epo]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1444301420070829



I love it. This company has broken no law but because they are seen as some sort of friend to the illegals they receive death threats. Never mind the fact that LEGAL immigrants and tourists from Mexico who just may happen to have pesos also do enjoy pizza on occasion. Gotta love Americans! We're so tolerant.

What's great about this story is two-fold:

1. The owners are doing well by old-fashioned capitalism. They understand the factors at play allow them to cash in on a demographic & a weak U.S. Dollar. Any old-school fiscal conservative would tip their hat to them.

2. Many of the people who would (wrong albeit) define themselves as old-school conservatives would turn on this company for doing something that is against their "values".

[PapaBear]

This might be why one of our drivers got a 5 peso tip the other day. What's that worth? About 10 cents?


Edit. I just checked. It's about 45 cents. Big tipper!

[epo]

This might be why one of our drivers got a 5 peso tip the other day. What's that worth? About 10 cents?


Edit. I just checked. It's about 45 cents. Big tipper!

Somebody should have given him a Euro. Cheapskates.

[Thrice]

All Humanity Does. Do A Little Research On How The Japanese Perceive The American Blacks, Or How The Arab Countries Think Of And Treat Black Africans.

Yes, The US Has A Long And At Times Not Pretty History Of Race Relations. But In The Year 2007, F_S Would Submit To You That America Is By Far The Most Tolerant Country On Earth.

How would you even begin to justify that claim?

[Chigworthy]

First off, this isn't much different from US banks excepting pesos for exchange.

Secondly, you would think people who might have a problem with the money syphoning out of this country because of illegal immigrants sending money back to the homeland would understand the value of reversing that flow, however slightly, by accepting foreign currency. Then again, death-threateners may not think things all the way through.

Maybe I'm just crazy.

[Snacks]

All Humanity Does. Do A Little Research On How The Japanese Perceive The American Blacks, Or How The Arab Countries Think Of And Treat Black Africans.

Yes, The US Has A Long And At Times Not Pretty History Of Race Relations. But In The Year 2007, F_S Would Submit To You That America Is By Far The Most Tolerant Country On Earth.

I would say England is a lot more tolerant a country to most races. We are getting our act together but slowly. Its the south that holds us back from everything!

[Leticia]

How would you even begin to justify that claim?




Yea, seriously... how could you back that up.

[A.J.]

I guess Canadian money will be banned in the Northern states now.

[Fat_Sunny]

I would say England is a lot more tolerant a country to most races. We are getting our act together but slowly. Its the south that holds us back from everything!

F_S Agrees England Is Pretty Tolerant, However (1) The Relations Between The Pakistani's In England (Known Derisively As "Paki's" There) And The Native English Population Are Far From Ideal!, Also (2) F_S Has Found That In The Business World, Women In The UK Do Not Have Nearly The Opportunities That American Women Do.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrice
How would you even begin to justify that claim?


Yea, seriously... how could you back that up.

It Was A Subjective Observation Based On Travelling To Over 60 Countries In The Last 20 Years (For Business).

Tolerance Applies To Race; Creed; Color; Religion; Sex; Sexual Orientation; National Origin.

Pick A Country Like Snacks Did: India? They Have A CASTE System For Chrissake's. The Arab World: Leticia, You Aren't Even Allowed To Drive In Saudi Arabia!

Ireland? Oh Yeah, The Catholics And Protestants Are Real Tolerant Toward Each Other, Aren't They! Japan: This Place Is Almost Tribal In Its Xenophobia!

You Pick A Country You Want To Be Our Model, And Then F_S Can Look Up Some Statistics To See Where They Stand On Things Like Women's Rights And Race Relations And Religious Tolerance And Stuff Like That.

[Thrice]

F_S Agrees England Is Pretty Tolerant, However (1) The Relations Between The Pakistani's In England (Known Derisively As "Paki's" There) And The Native English Population Are Far From Ideal!, Also (2) F_S Has Found That In The Business World, Women In The UK Do Not Have Nearly The Opportunities That American Women Do.




It Was A Subjective Observation Based On Travelling To Over 60 Countries In The Last 20 Years (For Business).

Tolerance Applies To Race; Creed; Color; Religion; Sex; Sexual Orientation; National Origin.

Pick A Country Like Snacks Did: India? They Have A CASTE System For Chrissake's. The Arab World: Leticia, You Aren't Even Allowed To Drive In Saudi Arabia!

Ireland? Oh Yeah, The Catholics And Protestants Are Real Tolerant Toward Each Other, Aren't They! Japan: This Place Is Almost Tribal In Its Xenophobia!

You Pick A Country You Want To Be Our Model, And Then F_S Can Look Up Some Statistics To See Where They Stand On Things Like Women's Rights And Race Relations And Religious Tolerance And Stuff Like That.

Canada

[PapaBear]

I guess Canadian money will be banned in the Northern states now.
Isn't that pretty much the same thing as Monopoly money, anyway? That joke was so much better when the dollar was still worth something.

[Thrice]

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as Monopoly money, anyway? That joke was so much better when the dollar was still worth something.

Seriously!

[Yerdaddy]

In any establishment here in Cambodia you can pay in Thai baht, Cambodian riel or US dollars and nobody gets death threats for it.

[Crispy123]

Canada

Your kidding right. Ever heard of the Native Indians??? They would probably tell you how wonderfully they are treated. Get a clue.

[MadMatt]

The thing that really gets me about this situation is that people are pissed because Pizza Patron is blatantly accepting the fact that illegal aliens have a foothold in this country while most only do so in a de facto or secretive sense.

Face it, illegal aliens have jobs all over the country and many are making a good living. If hiring illegals weren't an "accepted practice" then there wouldn't be a problem with illegal immigration.

Pizza Patron is doing out in the open what most people do in private.

[AJDELAWARE]

This is another vote for a world currency (the Euro I guess?)

Imagine how great that would be though, if no matter where you went, or ordered from, it was one price, not x canadian, y pesos, z usd. It would just make things so much simpler.

[epo]

The thing that really gets me about this situation is that people are pissed because Pizza Patron is blatantly accepting the fact that illegal aliens have a foothold in this country while most only do so in a de facto or secretive sense.

Face it, illegal aliens have jobs all over the country and many are making a good living. If hiring illegals weren't an "accepted practice" then there wouldn't be a problem with illegal immigration.

Pizza Patron is doing out in the open what most people do in private.

You're right....it's pretty glamorous work mowing my lawn. I'm sure the pay is great & the benefits are amazing.

[Yerdaddy]

This is another vote for a world currency (the Euro I guess?)

Imagine how great that would be though, if no matter where you went, or ordered from, it was one price, not x canadian, y pesos, z usd. It would just make things so much simpler.

This is a problem where you're at?

[AJDELAWARE]

This is a problem where you're at?

Not in Delaware no, but 2 miles away in Kennet Square PA, nothing but mexican mushroom farmers.

But I also just mean overall, it would be great to drive to canada and not have to worry about exchange rates or not knowing how the currency works.

[badmonkey]

Its the south that holds us back from everything!

That's interesting. Isn't this pizza chain being operated in the south?

[MadMatt]

You're right....it's pretty glamorous work mowing my lawn. I'm sure the pay is great & the benefits are amazing.

What I was getting at is Pizza Patron is using the wants and needs of the illegal/immigrant population to make a profit. They are doing it out in the open, despite public opinion or pressure - and they are making a huge profit. It's a good, legal business decision.

Lots of people are profiting off of the illegal/immigrant population, but at least Pizza Patron is being honest about it.

[badmonkey]

I beleive when this story originally broke a few months back, the bulk of their sales were American tourists returning from vacations in Mexico with extra pesos. It's been a few months so I could be remembering that wrong.

[Thrice]

Your kidding right. Ever heard of the Native Indians??? They would probably tell you how wonderfully they are treated. Get a clue.

How about our own Indians? How great were/are they treated? Intolerance is EVERYWHERE including America which was my original point. America, as great as it is, is still drenched in intolerance and xenophobia.

[Crispy123]

How about our own Indians? How great were/are they treated? Intolerance is EVERYWHERE including America which was my original point. America, as great as it is, is still drenched in intolerance and xenophobia.

That wasn't your original point. You originally bashed America. Fat_Sunny called your bullshit and now you are changing your tune. Try again.

[Thrice]

That wasn't your original point. You originally bashed America. Fat_Sunny called your bullshit and now you are changing your tune. Try again.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1444301420070829



I love it. This company has broken no law but because they are seen as some sort of friend to the illegals they receive death threats. Never mind the fact that LEGAL immigrants and tourists from Mexico who just may happen to have pesos also do enjoy pizza on occasion. Gotta love Americans! We're so tolerant.

That's the original quote. Where have I changed my tune? I also questioned the claim that America is the most tolerant country in the world because it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove. Fat Sunny himself said his opinion is completely subjective. Here's where I call YOU out on YOUR bullshit. Do YOU yourself know what subjective means?

subjective -
3 a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : PHENOMENAL -- compare OBJECTIVE 1b b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
4 a (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : PERSONAL <subjective judgments> (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background <a subjective account of the incident>

He spoke from personal experience and not necessarily fact. Fat Sunny's subjective personal experience would have him believe that America is the most tolerant country in the world. My subjective opinion is that Canada is more tolerant that America is. NEITHER is fact and NEITHER can be proven.

Now keep doing your part in making America great. Go wave your fucking flag and continue shopping at WalMart.

[Crispy123]

That's the original quote. Where have I changed my tune? I also questioned the claim that America is the most tolerant country in the world because it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove. Fat Sunny himself said his opinion is completely subjective.

He spoke from personal experience and not necessarily fact. Fat Sunny's subjective personal experience would have him believe that America is the most tolerant country in the world. My subjective opinion is that Canada is more tolerant that America is. NEITHER is fact and NEITHER can be proven.


Ohhhh...So you had no point. My bad.

[badmonkey]

Now keep doing your part in making America great. Go wave your fucking flag and continue shopping at WalMart.

What's wrong with waving the flag or shopping at wal-mart? I like our flag and don't see what's wrong with wavin it around a bit. I don't shop at wal-mart cuz the one by me is filthy and the carts are too small so we go to target instead. Get the shit i need at the prices i can afford. I know some of you hate wal-mart, but when you start buyin diapers and stuff, maybe you'll change your tune.

Badmonkey

[Thrice]

What's wrong with waving the flag or shopping at wal-mart? I like our flag and don't see what's wrong with wavin it around a bit. I don't shop at wal-mart cuz the one by me is filthy and the carts are too small so we go to target instead. Get the shit i need at the prices i can afford. I know some of you hate wal-mart, but when you start buyin diapers and stuff, maybe you'll change your tune.

Badmonkey

News flash: I'm FUCKING poor and I find ways around having to shop at WalMart. I'm not against all coporations or making money but WalMart is such a disgusting enterprise that I have no problem paying slightly higher prices to buy an item somewhere else.

[badmonkey]

News flash: I'm FUCKING poor and I find ways around having to shop at WalMart. I'm not against all coporations or making money but WalMart is such a disgusting enterprise that I have no problem paying slightly higher prices to buy an item somewhere else.

Newsflash: I'm feeding a family of four and buying diapers, clothes, shoes, and pullups for growing children while wondering how I'm going to set them up for college. I'm making house payments and other related bills, as well as running/marketing/promoting ThereIsNoRadio. I will take the financial break wherever I can get it and fuck anybody that doesn't like it. :)



Badmonkey

[Fat_Sunny]

News flash: I'm FUCKING poor and I find ways around having to shop at WalMart. I'm not against all coporations or making money but WalMart is such a disgusting enterprise that I have no problem paying slightly higher prices to buy an item somewhere else.

Well, Thrice, There Is Something F_S Will Agree With You 100% (Except For The Being Poor Part).

F_S Loves Competition And He Loves The Fact That Good People Like BadMonkey Can Save Money, HOWEVER, There Comes A Point When The Bigness Becomes A Problem.

WalMart Competed Exceptionally Well, And Got Huge And Made Tons Of Money. Good For Them. But At The Point Your Success And Hugeness Starts To Destroy Competition, Then There Is A Problem. F_S Would Much Rather Have 50 Smalls Stores To Choose From, Than One Giant Store. Plus, They Have Changed America From Thinking In Terms Of "Quality" To Thinking In Terms Of "Price". And That Is One Of The Main Reasons 3 Million American Manufacturing Jobs Have Been Lost In The Last 5 Years.

It Is Not Communism To Think That Giant Corporations Should Be Busted Up. It Is Good Old Fashioned Teddy Roosevelt Republicanism. Increase Competition!

Is It A BadMonkey: No !
Is It ABad WalMart: Yes!

[Crispy123]

Newsflash: I'm feeding a family of four and buying diapers, clothes, shoes, and pullups for growing children while wondering how I'm going to set them up for college. I'm making house payments and other related bills, as well as running/marketing/promoting ThereIsNoRadio. I will take the financial break wherever I can get it and fuck anybody that doesn't like it. :)



Badmonkey

QFT

Im in the same boat...except I don't have my own radio show.

[epo]

Newsflash: I'm feeding a family of four and buying diapers, clothes, shoes, and pullups for growing children while wondering how I'm going to set them up for college. I'm making house payments and other related bills, as well as running/marketing/promoting ThereIsNoRadio. I will take the financial break wherever I can get it and fuck anybody that doesn't like it. :)

Badmonkey

Badmonkey....I understand your point, but there is something to the "Walmart is bad" angle and it's a rather significant point in American society. People who actually care about the economy/environment shouldn't shop there as they are causing their own destruction.


If you want your taxes to rise....shop Walmart. They are fucking amazing at shifting the costs of doing business to the tax base...hence the prices.
If you want good local jobs to disappear shop Walmart. They have an amazing track record of shutting down or significantly decreasing local competition which reduces many good (not great) paying jobs for local businesses.
If you want local/national businesses to suffer shop Walmart. Walmart sells on price (ala Fat_Sunny's point) and will go anywhere to get it. If this means China over a job in the US...fuck them...it's all about the benjamins.


I could play this Walmart is evil shit all day....and honestly it's true. But I also understand the difficulties of tough economic times. My hope is that those in the economic position of not needing to shop Walmart, don't. And I hope that once your economic situation is less stressful that you wouldn't either.

[Don Stugots]

Newsflash: I'm feeding a family of four and buying diapers, clothes, shoes, and pullups for growing children while wondering how I'm going to set them up for college. I'm making house payments and other related bills, as well as running/marketing/promoting ThereIsNoRadio. I will take the financial break wherever I can get it and fuck anybody that doesn't like it. :)



Badmonkey

he also gets house guests that drink all his beer and eat all his pizza.

[dragon]

I think the majority of the employers turn a blind eye to the obvious fact that they are hiring illegals. Sadly, all the legal taxpayers are footing the medical, hospital, housing and schooling bills for them. I , for one, am a bit tired of it. If the 12 million are offered legal status, do you really think they're gonna take the bait, and have to pay what we pay when the can fleece the system for free?
I doubt it.

[epo]

I think the majority of the employers turn a blind eye to the obvious fact that they are hiring illegals. Sadly, all the legal taxpayers are footing the medical, hospital, housing and schooling bills for them. I , for one, am a bit tired of it. If the 12 million are offered legal status, do you really think they're gonna take the bait, and have to pay what we pay when the can fleece the system for free?
I doubt it.

Illegal immigrants are essentially another group of America's working poor.

The latest study reports that illegals currently cost the government nearly $10 billion (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html), but if they were legal that bill would nearly triple. Why you ask?

As illegals they don't have the access to the social services that a normal group of working poor would. So the government is able to give them less services than a citizen, yet the corporations are able to use them as much or more than a regular citizen.

Just stop it with the fucking crying about "how immigrants are ruining x"...it's tiresome and we are all above it. They are a segment of American culture and we should embrace them rather than using them. Our culture abuses these people for cheap labor, taxes them and provides them with no services. If they had higher incomes they would actually be a large revenue stream for the government due to the lack of social services they are allowed.

Just remember the White Stripes lyric:

Well, Americans:
What, nothin' better to do?
Why don't you kick yourself out?
You're an immigrant too.

Who's usin' who?
What should we do?
Well you can't be a pimp
And a prostitute too

[dragon]

I disagree.
Illegal minorities can and do rape our system for all the services I stated.
Do you think my taxpaying, but poor sister (being LEGAL) has the same benefits the illegals do ? Absolutely NOT! Been there, tried that.
I never said anything about "immigrants ruining " anything.
I stated ILLEGAL. A big fucking difference.

[dragon]

Ps.
If the ILLEGAL immigrants were taxpayers, how could they cost the govt. more ? Wouldn't their legal taxpaying status bring in money ?

[Crispy123]

Illegal immigrants are essentially another group of America's working poor.

The latest study reports that illegals currently cost the government nearly $10 billion (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html), but if they were legal that bill would nearly triple. Why you ask?

As illegals they don't have the access to the social services that a normal group of working poor would. So the government is able to give them less services than a citizen, yet the corporations are able to use them as much or more than a regular citizen.


True we get more out of illegals than we do normal citizens and I am sympathetic to their struggles. I would like to see a path to citizenship rather than "amnesty". Still the fact remains that while people rail against Walmart for being "evil", there are more than a fair share of regular size corporations and small businesses that are breaking the law and using cheap/undocumented labour.

[Thrice]

I disagree.
Illegal minorities can and do rape our system for all the services I stated.
Do you think my taxpaying, but poor sister (being LEGAL) has the same benefits the illegals do ? Absolutely NOT! Been there, tried that.
I never said anything about "immigrants ruining " anything.
I stated ILLEGAL. A big fucking difference.

That may be true in your sister's case but in actuality illegal immigrants have much less access to Federal and State programs. According to the report that epo already brought up( http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf ) each illegal immigrant household is responsible for $2,700 in government assistance on average. If that same household were filled with legal citizens making the same amount of income they would be eligible for $7,700 worth of government assistance. That's the reason it would cost more to make them legal. They would have more access to government programs by becoming legal.

If you really are so concerned about getting people off the government dole complain about the wages the LEGAL working poor are being paid. This is for CPW3, When people complain about WalMart being evil it is in part because of the unfair wage that they pay to their employees. Afterall WalMart does employ 1.2 MILLION Americans. The average WalMart Associate makes about 17,000 dollars per year. If that associate is a single mother with just two children, not an unreasonable assumption, that household would fall below the 2006 U.S. Poverty line. That means that mother of two would have to look to the government for assistance just to survive. With nearly 350 BILLION dollars in revenue, you'd think they could afford to actually pay their employees.

[dragon]

Being that this article is made by a government employee, I would have to doubt it's accuracy.
I agree 10,000 percent that our workers are being screwed and then some.
How do we ( as a society) remedy this?
I don't think the corporate world gives a shit about you, me or whether anyone is legal or illegal. I'm all for legal immigration, but I do feel that immigration as a whole is drastically out of control (9-11). In as far as costs, we all know the govt. skews and writes as much bullshit as possible. In the ideal world (lol), we wouldn't have these problems.
I also know that the judicial system fails us on a daily basis (Newark killings).
So maybe you have some ideas? I seriously am running short.

[Crispy123]

This is for CPW3, When people complain about WalMart being evil it is in part because of the unfair wage that they pay to their employees.

Thanks man. First you quote a fucking dictionary to me and now you tell me life is unfair. You're fucking brilliant and I have learned so much today. This just may change my entire life.

[dragon]

My last post here should have said "thrice", not EPO.

[epo]

I disagree.
Illegal minorities can and do rape our system for all the services I stated.
Do you think my taxpaying, but poor sister (being LEGAL) has the same benefits the illegals do ? Absolutely NOT! Been there, tried that.
I never said anything about "immigrants ruining " anything.
I stated ILLEGAL. A big fucking difference.

Ps.
If the ILLEGAL immigrants were taxpayers, how could they cost the govt. more ? Wouldn't their legal taxpaying status bring in money ?

Ok....so I served you up an article with facts from a study. You gave me what "you think" while obviously never reading the article.

I win, you lose.

[scottinnj]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1444301420070829



I love it. This company has broken no law but because they are seen as some sort of friend to the illegals they receive death threats. Never mind the fact that LEGAL immigrants and tourists from Mexico who just may happen to have pesos also do enjoy pizza on occasion. Gotta love Americans! We're so tolerant.

Gotta agree with F_S on this one. Go to Europe and try to buy a beer with American money. Not Happening.

[scottinnj]

We love to hate what is foreign in this country.

Except for Hondas, Suzukis, Subarus, Toyotas, Volkswagons, Mercedes Benzes, BMWs, Volvos, Chinese Steel, and Arab/Russian Oil.

Oh and Saturday is Day one of Mexican Trucks that do not have to meet American Safety Standards being allowed to come into America. Gotta love that NAFTA!

[scottinnj]

News flash: I'm FUCKING poor and I find ways around having to shop at WalMart. I'm not against all coporations or making money but WalMart is such a disgusting enterprise that I have no problem paying slightly higher prices to buy an item somewhere else.


Isn't it great you live in a country that is not only tolerant of you but gives you ways to shop that keeps your conscience clear? I'd hate to see you in the Socialist Paradise of Cuba with only one choice: The State Store. At least if you wanted to shop legally without worry of being jailed for buying Black Market Milk.