explaining emo- the sendspace

[realmenhatelife]

first if sendspaces aren't allowed i'm totally sorry, please delete the thread, i'll never do it again.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ziygic


So I made this mix to illustrate to highschool aged kids I was working with that emo shouldn't be synonymous with 'pussy' and that current 'emo' bands are a really terrible pastiche of a great post hardcore style. The quality isnt great, so don't be a music snob, and hopefully you'll hear some stuff you'll like.

This is a post hardcore style characterized by:
Dissonance, often from competing melodies
stylized but not necessarily clear vocals
depth of lyrics
off tempo drumming and melodic bass lines
themes often including alienation- consider the social climate of hardcore.

track list:
Lifetime- It's not funny anymore
Descendants- Bikage
Discount- KV Tshirt
Fugazi- Long Division
Plow United- West Chester Rock City
Reggie and the full effect- congratulations smack and katey
Jawbreaker- Jinx Removing
Husker Du - Divide and Conquer
Texas is the Reason - Back and to the Left
Discount- City Bleach
Descendants- Myage
Dutchland Diesel- My Jam
Lifetime- Irony is for Suckers
Jawbreaker- Boxcar
Discount- Its been years
Wormbath- Go
Plow United- Plow II
Fugazi- Waiting Room
Honestly I dont know, its on a creep records comp and I couldnt find the tracklisting
Saves the Day- THrough being Cool
Husker du- Its not funny anymore (original version)

[drjoek]

Pussy

[Hottub]

What the hell is Husker Du (Especially 30 years old) doing on that pussy list!

[Furtherman]

You're from Norristown? You're gonna get beat up flaunting any emo shit.

And Fugazi? Emo? On Earth 2!

[DolaMight]

Post-Hardcore Style? That's a genre now. What the frux is that supposed to mean? You had hardcore in mind but all that comes out is nice easy listening. Used to be hardcode but I've settled down with kids and live by the experience of my years?

I hate those categorizations the biz comes up with to associate two polar opposite styles of music and fuse it into one pussy fake genre. Trip-Hop, Post-Hardcore, Acid-Jazz etc.. It's all fruxing Techno. I bet someone somewhere has tried to coin emocore.

[TheMojoPin]

Fugazi is not now nor ever was emo. They were birthed from to "original emo" bands, Embarce and Rites of Spring, but the end result is so not emo. Waaaaaaaay too artsy and political and awesome.

[Fat_Sunny]

Even After His Listening Expansion, F_S Is Confused As To What Is Emo.

Is Bright Eyes Emo?

Is Okervill River Emo?

[deepinthewoods]

http://www.hardgeus.com/updateimages/emo_philips_old.jpg http://www.satyamag.com/sat.site.images/mackaye.jpg

Separated at birth?

[donnie_darko]

your emo argument, and including the whole "post hardcore set" is just WRONG

FUCKING FUGAZI ON AN EMO PLAYLIST?!?!??!?!??
MAYBE you could get away with "The Evens", but I can't consider them emo........


and honestly there's a difference between emo/screeeemo, emo (mainstream) is more like dashboard confessional/the cure****/bright eyes...

[PhishHead]

Is Okervill River Emo?

BLASPHEMY!!!

[GreatAmericanZero]

Being Emo means ur parents hate you and they don't understand you. Being cool means you're parents hate you but you're too rock n roll too care!

[realmenhatelife]

emo is best when its more of a flavor then a genre. husker du is not saves the day, but if you cant hear where the vocals and guitars fit in you're just not listening. fugazi is not an emo band, but they're undefinable. Ian Mackaye was just one of the first dudes who said "hey, i really dont want to scream anymore. and id like to write a song that isnt about my edge, and id like you to be able to hear individual notes." and he took alot of shit for it.
jawbreaker and lifetime are undeinably emo, so are saves the day and texas is the reason- but they sound absolutely nothing like eachother. the descendents are a pop punk band, but milo is really singing his heart out, and writing some heavy songs. the whole things really impressionistic, and if you dont like it thats fine- but there is nothing on this mix that does not contribute to emo in some way and its all music i think is great. none of it is the stereotypical, awful stuff that is some minstrel show version of emo.

and fat sunny, bright eyes isnt emo- he would be considered 'indie' i have no idea who that other band is. download the mix, listen to the two jawbreaker songs, the saves the day song, and the discount songs and you'll have an idea

[GreatAmericanZero]

emo is best when ...

this is as much of the post i read before i stopped reading

[KC2OSO]

this is as much of the post i read before i stopped reading
agree i'm just too tired to parse that out there may be a valid point in there but it's lost on me

[Death Metal Moe]

Emo

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/gay.jpg

[donnie_darko]

to say that bright eyes isn't emo is absurd, maybe the new stuff isn't, i haven't listened to anything past fever and mirrors, but up to that point that was definitely emo.

I think you're mixing emo/screamo/math rock/ etc.

[tele7]

to say that bright eyes isn't emo is absurd, maybe the new stuff isn't, i haven't listened to anything past fever and mirrors, but up to that point that was definitely emo.

I think you're mixing emo/screamo/math rock/ etc.

If this is "math rock" .....count me in.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yREZSl94Zy8

[Slumbag]

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm going to see My Chemical Romance on
Friday(FUCK YOU, it's free, Linkin Park is headlining and I love
High School girls). I will type here later and tell you
EXACTLY what emo is.

[AJDELAWARE]

That list is so far off its insanity. My brain hurts from even reading it.

Yo just cause its on Creep doesnt make it emo!!!!

Half of those bands you listed are pop punk bands, plain and simple.

All music has emotional influences, you name me some song without emotion and ill show you a band that will never make it anywhere.

Plow United was a rock band with punk rock influence, I know that one for a fact cause the drummer was my 8th grade math teacher.

Lifetime is one of the greatest bands to ever grace the swamps of Jersey, but they are definitely a pop punk band on the punkier side of the equation. Saves the Day was originally a clone of lifetime through the first 2 albums, but then leaned more towards a mod/rock sort of angle for more recent offerings.

The only bands you need to give anyone when talking about "emo" is Rites of Spring.

The only bands that I semi agree with on this list are Husker Du and Texas is The Reason.

The rest are either rock, punk, post hardcore (doesnt mean emo), or pop punk.

[AJDELAWARE]

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm going to see My Chemical Romance on
Friday(FUCK YOU, it's free, Linkin Park is headlining and I love
High School girls). I will type here later and tell you
EXACTLY what emo is.

What does My Chemical Romance have to do with "emo" as a genre? They are a pop punk band.

[nate1000]

Euch.

[angrymissy]

Most people say that Fugazi birthed emo/screamo (waiting for Mojo's head to now explode)

[AJDELAWARE]

Most people say that Fugazi birthed emo/screamo (waiting for Mojo's head to now explode)

No way. Most people woud say Rites of Spring and Embrace, which if you look at the Dischord Discography came out before them by far.

Fugazi is too good though. I went to the Lost Film Festival in Philly 6 years ago I think and Ian Mackaye was speaking and they premiered the Fugazi Documentary - Instrument. Sooooo good. more bands need to incorporate a huge bell into their drum lines.

[angrymissy]

No way. Most people woud say Rites of Spring and Embrace, which if you look at the Dischord Discography came out before them by far.

Fugazi is too good though. I went to the Lost Film Festival in Philly 6 years ago I think and Ian Mackaye was speaking and they premiered the Fugazi Documentary - Instrument. Sooooo good. more bands need to incorporate a huge bell into their drum lines.

Seriously, I've seen it written in multiple places. Not that they birthed the current form of "emo" but the genres before that led up to emo.

[AJDELAWARE]

Seriously, I've seen it written in multiple places. Not that they birthed the current form of "emo" but the genres before that led up to emo.

Get on AIM, and use my getfile - xajdelawarex
Im pretty positive I have some Rites of Spring in there, download it, and then you will be part of the in crowd of people who know the truth haha.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

What? No <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srU0xhkfIFw">Promise Ring</a>?

They were my favorite band in high school.

[Death Metal Moe]

Actually, most people laugh at Emo and poke fun at it.

It's funny too. I see a lot of bands that are Emo and are trying so fucking hard NOT to be categorized as Emo because of the stigma attached to the name.

Blech. Scream, sing, breakdown, rinse, repeat.

[AJDELAWARE]

Actually, most people laugh at Emo and poke fun at it.

It's funny too. I see a lot of bands that are Emo and are trying so fucking hard NOT to be categorized as Emo because of the stigma attached to the name.

Blech. Scream, sing, breakdown, rinse, repeat.

I see a lot of people calling any band that isnt metal, or straight hardcore - screamo or emo, incorrectly.

Emo is a dead genre that isnt so much even a music genre anymore as it is a retarded fashion trend. Also, any band that is allegedly "emo", can 99% of the time easily be classified as pop punk or rock, or even as shitty metal core.

[Freakshow]

I'm waiting for post-emo. It's going to be great, but not great as post-post hardcore.

Seriously labels are shit. Who cares what is emo or not. Put on your guitars and play music. People will figure it all out.

[Leticia]

I'm very mad that Fugazi is in the emo list. Fugazi is not emo.

Goddamitt.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Actually, most people laugh at Emo and poke fun at it.

It's funny too. I see a lot of bands that are Emo and are trying so fucking hard NOT to be categorized as Emo because of the stigma attached to the name.

Blech. Scream, sing, breakdown, rinse, repeat.

thats the thing. Emo is the funny thing that everyone can unite to make fun of. Its the lamest thing out there. Before Emo it was those "orange tanned italian guys with the spikey hair". Before that was Wiggers. And way before that was yuppies. There is always some kind of group out there that is so lame and so unhip that it is universally goofed on by everyone of any race. And as of this moment, its the emo. deal with it

[AJDELAWARE]

Not even though. Emo was cool to make fun of, sayyyyy circa 1999? When did the first Dashboard Confessional album come out, that and say 1 year in each direction were the prime time to make fun of emo kids.

[Kublakhan61]

If this is "math rock" .....count me in.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yREZSl94Zy8

This is Math Rock?? Slint should be ashamed of their influence.

[JerryTaker]

Emo is a dead genre that isnt so much even a music genre anymore as it is a retarded fashion trend. Also, any band that is allegedly "emo", can 99% of the time easily be classified as pop punk or rock, or even as shitty metal core.

I've been saying this for years, people never know how to classify rock music (see "grunge" & "alternative;" neither mean anything) and are media-driven labels meant to stop people from taking music into their own hands in the form of a guitar and trying to move people away from cruddy cancerous corporate created Kelly Clarkson claptrap crap. really it's just another excuse for fratboys and wanna-be fratboys who want to look cool to find an excuse to hate and pound on anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together. Bah, anyone still walking around like a caveman moaning "emo bad! I big Ogre and Smash wimpy kid" is part of the cause of society's ruin, but whatever, keep it up. You deserve the world you've created, I guess...

[TheMojoPin]

really it's just another excuse for fratboys and wanna-be fratboys who want to look cool to find an excuse to hate and pound on anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together.

AKA, "if you listen to this music, you're actually so much smarter than the rest of the unwashed masses."

Nice try. Fall Out Boy doesn't make anyone smarter. In fact, I believe it does the exact opposite.

And modern faux-emo is the only musical refuge for your so-called "non-fratboys?" And everyone that really doesn't like that stuff is just a "wanna-be fratboy?" Jeeeeeeeeezum Crow...

[AJDELAWARE]

AKA, "if you listen to this music, you're actually so much smarter than the rest of the unwashed masses."

Nice try. Fall Out Boy doesn't make anyone smarter. In fact, I believe it does the exact opposite.

And modern faux-emo is the only musical refuge for your so-called "non-fratboys?" And everyone that really doesn't like that stuff is just a "wanna-be fratboy?" Jeeeeeeeeezum Crow...

Fall Out Boy is a rock band. I dont know what that has to do with this discussion at all.

[TheMojoPin]

Fall Out Boy is a rock band. I dont know what that has to do with this discussion at all.

Everything. For me, a "nu-emo" band has little to do with the band's music (though there tends to be loosely similar traits stringing them all together) but more with the almost blindly fanatical and emotional reaction/devotion/slavery of their fans. The "emo" part applies to THEM, not the artists.

[AJDELAWARE]

Everything. For me, a "nu-emo" band has little to do with the band's music (though there tends to be loosely similar traits stringing them all together) but more with the almost blindly fanatical and emotional reaction/devotion/slavery of their fans. The "emo" part applies to THEM, not the artists.

So Kiss was an emo band? Or Michael Jackson? Or any other band that has amassed a die hard following of people that will love everything the band does and will follow them to the ends of the earth?

*not trying to be a dick, its just after 10 years of hardcore/punk rock shows and dealing with new jacks rolling in and out, its funny to see an "outsiders" point of view, and its also disheartening, because every band that doesn't fall right into line with the current state of music is given a derogatory label. Crazy enough though, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, etc are the current state of music.

I never thought I would see the day when "punk rock" (a loosely used term in this case) bands would be on top ten charts outside of fanzines.

[TheMojoPin]

So Kiss was an emo band? Or Michael Jackson? Or any other band that has amassed a die hard following of people that will love everything the band does and will follow them to the ends of the earth?

*not trying to be a dick, its just after 10 years of hardcore/punk rock shows and dealing with new jacks rolling in and out, its funny to see an "outsiders" point of view, and its also disheartening, because every band that doesn't fall right into line with the current state of music is given a derogatory label. Crazy enough though, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, etc are the current state of music.

I never thought I would see the day when "punk rock" (a loosely used term in this case) bands would be on top ten charts outside of fanzines.

For me, it's just simply observation in just online interaction alone as to how these fans tend to differe from a lot of others. You're going to get the extreme with huge acts like Kiss or MJ, but you don't see their fans jumping so quickly to, say, writing poetry about the band or short stories that apparently involve the bandmates very tenderly fucking the hell out of each other (which isn't limited to just being "emo"...hell, I saw a slash fic about Dave Grohl and Kurt Cobain on EncyclopediaDramatica that still haunts me to this day). Personally, I see differences between people being obsessive about an act and then willfully being SO emotionally invested in everything about an act, to a point where the music is almost incidental. And again, that's not trying to say that that stuff is exclusive to emo fans...to me, I just see things like this and then typically very large demographic examples of almost identical fashion and similar age groups and so on and I ultimately have zero problem thinking that most (but obviously not all) emo fans can be pretty easily lumped together. And again, I feel the term "emo" applies to the fans as opposed to a lot of the bands.

[TheMojoPin]

I never thought I would see the day when "punk rock" (a loosely used term in this case) bands would be on top ten charts outside of fanzines.

It's been going on for about 15 years now.

[AJDELAWARE]

It's been going on for about 15 years now.

I guess I mean more of the "underground" bands. I mean shit, Jamey Jasta has an MTV show!? Victory Records releases end up in billboards top ten!? For me it all started when the big labels (island, warnerbros, etc) started buying up the indie labels. I think this is going to end soon though, a lot of it has backfired with only a few of the bands actually catching on in a mainstream crowd

I get a nice view of whats going on in music because of past work experience and the fact that im still heavily involved in the "scene", and im a pretty observant guy. Surprisingly, kids are already starting to move away from the poppier bands, and are starting to enjoy things a little harder. They aren't quite ready yet to go in for full out NYHC style hardcore bands, but the trend is moving back into metalcore, but even then, not the full out stuff like caliban, the red chord, etc, more like a watered down version. The place I work went from getting sold out crowds (450) for pop punk shows and maybe 150/200 kids for "hard" shows, but those numbers are really starting to reverse.

I agree with you fully, if you look in an earlier post, emo as a music genre no longer exists, and its arguable that it ever did in the first place I guess, but as a social movement and fashion trend, its very much a (sad) reality.

[IMSlacker]

Here's my simple rule of thumb:

Bands I don't like = Emo.

Bands I like <> Emo.

[AJDELAWARE]

Here's my simple rule of thumb:

Bands I don't like = Emo.

Bands I like <> Emo.


Exactly! I also like to use
skinny kids = emo
fat kids = hardcore.

[Death Metal Moe]

Exactly! I also like to use
skinny kids = emo
fat kids = hardcore.

Do you actually know a goddamn thing about any music? I haven't seen that in this thread.

[AJDELAWARE]

Do you actually know a goddamn thing about any music? I haven't seen that in this thread.

Are you serious? Or is this one of those sarcastic things on the internet the kids are using? What have I said that shows I dont know what im talking about, honestly. Because thus far I think Im pretty dead on.

[JustJon]

It's been going on for about 15 years now.

According to Wikipedia on the Clash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_clash):

Combat Rock - (May 14, 1982) #2 UK, #7 U.S.

So Punk music has been hitting American top 10 charts for 25 years.

[AJDELAWARE]

According to Wikipedia on the Clash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_clash):

Combat Rock - (May 14, 1982) #2 UK, #7 U.S.

So Punk music has been hitting American top 10 charts for 25 years.

I figured this would be the first band brought up in response to that. The Clash was such an odd band though, there music transcended multiple genres throughout their career. I mean I would hardly consider "ROCK THE CASBAH" a punk rock song, and thats the only song on that album to make it into the top ten.

[JerryTaker]

AKA, "if you listen to this music, you're actually so much smarter than the rest of the unwashed masses."

Nice try. Fall Out Boy doesn't make anyone smarter. In fact, I believe it does the exact opposite.

And modern faux-emo is the only musical refuge for your so-called "non-fratboys?" And everyone that really doesn't like that stuff is just a "wanna-be fratboy?" Jeeeeeeeeezum Crow...

Completely the opposite, I mean look at the hateful and violent sentiments you see toward perceived "emo," it's an extension to the South Park notion of killing "hippies" or "liberals" or "goths." It's just another way for people to feel like they're part of "normal" society by classifying a group as "lesser" and shunning them. In the end, as usual, it really has nothing to do with the music, just the feeling of superiority. I have no idea what "emo" is, and someone put it perfectly by saying it's just a label given to music he doesn't like, and I really think that's all it is now.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't make fun of Emo to fit in with people, I enjoy and play a form of music that is not widely embraced. I don't give a shit about fitting in.

I dislike Emo because it's bad music. The riffs are usually weak and repetitive, the singing is god awful, the screams are high pitched and weak and the overall message is a very whiney and weak one.

Bunch of people complaining about things. Do you want to live your whole life complaining?

Plus current Emo is about a style, not a music now and that's fucking gay as hell. That's why I dislike most Black Metal. When the image is more important than what you're playing I tap out.

[AJDELAWARE]

So Moe, you have the same point of view I do essentially. Haha.

The rise and popularity of bands like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance, as well as Saves The Day, At the Drive IN, etc, a few years ago have turned "underground" music into a money maker, so now bands are in it to cash in, as opposed to whne they were in it truly for the music and the love, and knew damn well that they were never going to play a stadium, or sell out the Tweeter Center or something crazy. Ive gone from watcihng pop punk/indie rock bands have a "gas money" guarantee, to having a $1500 contract with a rider - for playing a DIY show!

Hardcore and Metal, for the most part are still untouched by this to an extent, while some bands have gotten bigger, I think for the most part the bands take more pride in their roots, and where there from, and realize that the music they play will never appeal to the spoonfed-radio friendly masses. Also, these bands tend to be less marketable image wise. Look at your average metal band...dudes aren't so much chick magnets, vs. a band of skinny guys with perfectly styled hair singing songs about girls and heartache.

Metal did have a close call though when Dragonforce blew up out of nowhere, but it seems that has passed.

Black Metal has alllllways been about the image, from day one, that and burning churches and eating brains.

[Death Metal Moe]

OK, so maybe we do agree more than we disagree.

Hey, I don't know much about Emo, but I know that whatever people are calling Emo these days is not very good.

If it's more about just having "Emotional" lyrics, I'm fine with that. I'm a Type O Negative fag myself.

[AJDELAWARE]

OK, so maybe we do agree more than we disagree.

Hey, I don't know much about Emo, but I know that whatever people are calling Emo these days is not very good.

If it's more about just having "Emotional" lyrics, I'm fine with that. I'm a Type O Negative fag myself.

I think its safe to say that all bands have emotional lyrics, cause if you don't, whats the point. Who wants to listen to someone sing about things they have no feeling about. Like you said, your band screams, i'm sure there is emotion behind it. When I sang (read growled/screamed) my lyrics were very emotional to me - except for the songs I wrong about slaying dragons and shit.

[TheMojoPin]

So Moe, you have the same point of view I do essentially. Haha.

The rise and popularity of bands like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance, as well as Saves The Day, At the Drive IN, etc, a few years ago have turned "underground" music into a money maker.

I'm baffled as to why you're giving these bands the credit for bringing the "underground" to the public at large and the major labels and the charts when Nirvana et al. did that, again, about 15 years ago. Hell, those bands sold a LOT more than most of the bands you're talking about now. Not that I'm saying that more = sold automatically means good...I'm just a bit surprised at your perception that these bands and some kind of trailblazers bringing "underground" to the public when most are just extremely derivative and watered down versions of a number of "alternative" mainstays that already did that in the last 15-20 years, nad often with much more exposure and many more records sold.

[TheMojoPin]

I think its safe to say that all bands have emotional lyrics, cause if you don't, whats the point. Who wants to listen to someone sing about things they have no feeling about. Like you said, your band screams, i'm sure there is emotion behind it. When I sang (read growled/screamed) my lyrics were very emotional to me - except for the songs I wrong about slaying dragons and shit.

Yeah, I agree completely here...calling something "emo" because the music is "emotional" is completely absurd. The only reason it sort of made sense describing some of the post-hardcore DC bands is because the personal type of writing they were doing was in sharp contrast to the mostly political and sociological content of the bands in that scene up until that point.

[TheMojoPin]

Completely the opposite, I mean look at the hateful and violent sentiments you see toward perceived "emo," it's an extension to the South Park notion of killing "hippies" or "liberals" or "goths." It's just another way for people to feel like they're part of "normal" society by classifying a group as "lesser" and shunning them. In the end, as usual, it really has nothing to do with the music, just the feeling of superiority. I have no idea what "emo" is, and someone put it perfectly by saying it's just a label given to music he doesn't like, and I really think that's all it is now.

In all honesty, I think this is about as best an example of "emo" as I can find in this thread. Presenting these fans as being some kind of oppressed minority is just ridiculous melodramatic and over the top and, for the most part, completely absurd.

[AJDELAWARE]

I guess its that these are the bands of "my generation" that did it, they were the first "new" thing on the market in quite some time, seeing how it has been a market of watered down hard rock and nu-metal type bands. Nirvan did sell a ridiculous amount of record, thats a fact, but I would hardly say that Nirvana has any similarities musically with any of the bands I mentioned. I mean to be honest, there is no underground anymore in the first place haha, but I think recently there has been a lot more "breakthrough" artist that don't fall into the normal sound of recent music - I mean look at late 90s early 2000s music top ten charts, its full of boy bands and radio friendly rock acts like Creed and The Wall Flowers and shit like that.

[deepinthewoods]

http://www.flashmusica.com/images/SesameStreet/ElmoFullPuppet.jpg

Emo Elmo sez:

bands that rock are rock bands

bands that whine are emo bands


And for more on when punk rock REALLY slam danced into the charts, please refer to the documentary 1991: The Year That Punk Broke.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/a/a6/Yearpunkbroke.jpg

Emo Elmo outo

[AJDELAWARE]

A quote from Guy Picciotto of Fugazi and Rites of Spring (and countless other quintessential bands) upon being asked how he felt about "being the creator of the emo genre". He responded: "I don't recognize that attribution. I've never recognized 'emo' as a genre of music. I always thought it was the most retarded term ever. I know there is this generic commonplace that every band that gets labeled with that term hates it. They feel scandalized by it. But honestly, I just thought that all the bands I played in were punk rock bands. The reason I think it's so stupid is that - what, like the Bad Brains weren't emotional? What - they were robots or something? It just doesn't make any sense to me."

[TheMojoPin]

I guess its that these are the bands of "my generation" that did it, they were the first "new" thing on the market in quite some time, seeing how it has been a market of watered down hard rock and nu-metal type bands. Nirvan did sell a ridiculous amount of record, thats a fact, but I would hardly say that Nirvana has any similarities musically with any of the bands I mentioned. I mean to be honest, there is no underground anymore in the first place haha, but I think recently there has been a lot more "breakthrough" artist that don't fall into the normal sound of recent music - I mean look at late 90s early 2000s music top ten charts, its full of boy bands and radio friendly rock acts like Creed and The Wall Flowers and shit like that.

OK, I'm really not getting what you're trying to say. These bands being on the charts is nothing new. "Rock/indie/punk/alternative/whatever" bands have been all over the and signed to major labels for the better part of a decade. They never really went away. Also, it's a complete fallacy to talk about any era of music as if bubblegum pop acts like boy bands and such are not on the charts. They will always be on the charts. Even when Nirvana was out there, John Secada and Michael Bolton and Whitney Houston still owned the charts. The "underground" bands then and now that make the sales are never a threat to these type of groups, ever.

I really just don't see these groups as moving in and "cleaning everything out" charts-wise or really doing anything all that new nusically or how well they sell.

[AJDELAWARE]

I guess a good example would be that just from a glance at the billboard top 100 albums,

As I lay Dying premiered at #8, I mean hell, since when do you see anything from METAL BLADE records on a billboard chart in any sort of noticable postion. Hell, Fueled By Ramen has a record in the top 100 (PARAMORE).

But I guess its all opinions, and none of it really matters anyway. But I think we settled the emo discussion.

Rites of Spring is supposedly the "first" emo band, and Guy from the band says that they weren't emo. Problem solved haha.

[TheMojoPin]

I've very rarely ever come across a band or artists that accepts whatever musical label or genre has been foisted on them.

While I understand that reluctance, their refusal to accept it doesn't necessarily negate it.

[IMSlacker]

Well, Lou Barlow did a cover of "Round-N-Round" on this album.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000784WOU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

So, I'm pretty sure that means emo started with Ratt.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Those who knee-jerk denied Fugazi as emo don't really know. Check out the Wikipedia entry on emo music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_(music)). Fugazi was the primary influnce on emo music up until the late 90s.

I do agree that so-called "third wave" emo sucks.

[JerryTaker]

This is why I despise this whole "emo" thing... (from the wiki article)

Appropriately or not, emo has been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.

"Emo" has been used to umbrella and marginalize damn near every young rock band that has come on the scene in the last 10 years, and I find this crushing to rock as a genre. Holy hell, if people don't start embracing some new bands, we'll be forced to listen to friggin Zepplin and AC-DC on "rock" radio for the rest of our natural lives.

Ok, yes, many, (most, actually) of the above bands fall into the "suck" category, and I know at least one doesn't even exist anymore (Thursday) but considering how terribly rock music has been buried ever since Cobain redecorated his apartment with his brains, having an amorphous, undefined and immediately negative category that everyone gets shoved into, guarantees that music like that awful Sean Kingston(?) song and many more like it will be blaring at us from every direction.

Hell, I wouldn't care if I wasn't walking into damn near empty rock clubs. The whole landscape has changed in the past 10 years, and this "emo" garbage has a lot to do with it, so hell, people, hold back the hate a little for the kids with the guitars....


...except Good Charlotte and Sum41, please take their guitars away and shove them up thier asses... :devil2:

[Stankfoot]

I've very rarely ever come across a band or artists that accepts whatever musical label or genre has been foisted on them.

While I understand that reluctance, their refusal to accept it doesn't necessarily negate it.

And just because a musical label or genre has been foisted on a band doesn't validate it either. This "emo" tag has been put on a lot of young bands that have hardly anything in common!

And even if they are "emo" (whatever that is) and you think it sucks, then maybe ITS NOT FOR YOU. Maybe its for young kids in their teens. Would you prefer they listened to rap and dressed like the Gotti brothers? I'm glad theses kids have their own scene.

And some of the bands are pretty good. Thursday were good. The singer can't sing all that well and is a little earnest - "I wrote this song when my grandmother died ..." , "This song is about alientation.." but the songs are enjoyable (at least I think so).

Here's two (only live versions on Youtube but you get to see the crowd response):

Paris in Flames:

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Jet Black New Year:

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Oh and this is not a response directed at Mojo but to the discussion in general ....

[TheMojoPin]

And just because a musical label or genre has been foisted on a band doesn't validate it either. This "emo" tag has been put on a lot of young bands that have hardly anything in common!

Right, which is why I brought up that I feel that the current use of "emo" is better applicable to a certain breed of music fan as opposed to actual musical acts. In that sense, "emo" is the new "hipster" or "slacker," and I think in that context it's pretty appropriate.

As for the former, agreed, but sometimes it works. There's not a band involved in it that didn't loathe the "trip-hop" label, but it was pretty accurate in who it was usually used for. Tricky, Massive Attack, Portishead, et al all had a very distinct and somewhat unifying sound...and the same goes for the early emo bands.

[Kublakhan61]

Does anyone here remember Cap'n Jazz? They were "emo". I just wanted to add them in here, considering that the emo experts in this thread keep referring to the same handful of "original emo bands".

As for the claim (somewhere up there) that all new bands from the last 10 years have been labeled emo -the reason is the first one to come up was called emo and then all the rest that follwed sounded exactly the same, hence all the bands being called emo.

[Fat_Sunny]

This is why I despise this whole "emo" thing... (from the wiki article)

"Emo" has been used to umbrella and marginalize damn near every young rock band that has come on the scene in the last 10 years, and I find this crushing to rock as a genre. Holy hell, if people don't start embracing some new bands, we'll be forced to listen to friggin Zepplin and AC-DC on "rock" radio for the rest of our natural lives.

Ok, yes, many, (most, actually) of the above bands fall into the "suck" category, and I know at least one doesn't even exist anymore (Thursday) but considering how terribly rock music has been buried ever since Cobain redecorated his apartment with his brains, having an amorphous, undefined and immediately negative category that everyone gets shoved into, guarantees that music like that awful Sean Kingston(?) song and many more like it will be blaring at us from every direction.

Hell, I wouldn't care if I wasn't walking into damn near empty rock clubs. The whole landscape has changed in the past 10 years, and this "emo" garbage has a lot to do with it, so hell, people, hold back the hate a little for the kids with the guitars....


...except Good Charlotte and Sum41, please take their guitars away and shove them up thier asses... :devil2:


F_S Is Still Totally Lost And Confused About What Emo Is And Isn't , And At This Point He Doesn't Care.

But He Did Want To Say That That Was A Highly Excellent And Entertaining Post!

[TheMojoPin]

F_S Is Still Totally Lost And Confused About What Emo Is And Isn't , And At This Point He Doesn't Care.

Greasy, floppy hair (usually bob or "mod" style combed forward, or even a complete reverse mullet combed over the eyes or half of the face...too tight jeans with a white or studded belt...competitions to see who can have less skin color...a perpetual frown or look of sadness, often appearing as if they're about to burst into tears...cutting marks sorta hidden by an army of crap worn on the wrists.

Just google "emo kids" and enjoy.

[Fat_Sunny]

Greasy, floppy hair (usually bob or "mod" style combed forward, or even a complete reverse mullet combed over the eyes or half of the face...too tight jeans with a white or studded belt...competitions to see who can have less skin color...a perpetual frown or look of sadness, often appearing as if they're about to burst into tears...cutting marks sorta hidden by an army of crap worn on the wrists.


That Mental Image Clarified Things More Than All The Words In All The Posts That Preceded It. Claro!

[realmenhatelife]

If you take nothing from this thread (and if you did I'm hugely surprised) please take the following two points.

Point 1: More sendspaces on R & F

Point 2: Discount is an awesome band that not enough people listen to.

[AJDELAWARE]

If you take nothing from this thread (and if you did I'm hugely surprised) please take the following two points.

Point 1: More sendspaces on R & F



I made a sendspace thread the other day and Hottub closed it within 2 minutes, because rf.net does not support illegal sharing of copyrighted material or something.

[JustJon]

I made a sendspace thread the other day and Hottub closed it within 2 minutes, because rf.net does not support illegal sharing of copyrighted material or something.

And you really have to ask why it was removed?

[AJDELAWARE]

And you really have to ask why it was removed?

No, i didn't ask at all, I was just telling him that sendspace threads aren't allowed (even though this thread starts with a sendspace thread of copyrighted music)