Has America Changed Since 9/11?

[LiddyRules]

It's been 6 years and we all remember the speeches immediately after. Do you tihnk 9/11 has changed America in any significant way? I, of course, don't. Aside from some heightened security, the landscape of America and more specifically Americans has still continued down the same self-important, lack of personal responsibility, selfish, ignorant, decadent path as on September 10th. But I'll put it out to you.

[AJDELAWARE]

Nothing positive has come from it. We now live in a world of terror levels and threat colors. The state of fear has helped no one but the media, giving them something to over sensationalize for ratings. Its criminalized everyone from the middle east.

[MHasegawa]

we've certainly become more desensitized since 9/11 considering we're so goddamn tired of hearing about it.

[topless_mike]

it depends on what side of the political field you are in.
if you are on the left, aligned with the mainstream media, then you love post-9/11 era.
if you are on the right, then you hate post 9/11 era.
i wont continue unless asked.

[cupcakelove]

it depends on what side of the political field you are in.
if you are on the left, aligned with the mainstream media, then you love post-9/11 era.
if you are on the right, then you hate post 9/11 era.
i wont continue unless asked.

I'm pretty far on the left and I don't see where you get the 'left loves post-9/11 era' idea.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Definitely at Airports

I can't wear socks with Holes anymore when i go to an Airport

They are also making Ladies take flip flopz offf, thats a lil too paranoid dontcha think...


Americans havent changed much..We are still a bunch of Overeating Overspending Over Acessorizing Sack of Cunts...

And loving it...

:king:

[topless_mike]

I'm pretty far on the left and I don't see where you get the 'left loves post-9/11 era' idea.

they are using it as artillery to destroy the right side and win the '08 election.


...also- please note- i am an independant. i despise both the left and right.

[LiddyRules]

they are using it as artillery to destroy the right side and win the '08 election. And the Right didn't use 9/11 to further destroy the left and win the 2002 and 2004 election? And the right is going to use the war to win the 2008 election by showing the ineffectiveness of the Democrats. And even though the Dems won the House and Senate, they still, at least to me, seem weak and cowardly and useless.

The Republicans, especially in the years following, LOVED the post-9/11 era. They could do no wrong. They were America's party. They were protecting us from terrorism and we were willing to bend over backwards to let that happen. It's just because someone (not mentioning names) got us into a country (not mentioning which) that shit began to hit the fan.

And the problems with the post-9/11 era doesn't really have much to do with politics. I am thinking more of the average people, the guy on the street. The country, which is not necessarily defined by the people in Congress, has not changed. Increased security in airports does not completely affect who we are as a people. We haven't grown more compassionate or caring or interested in anything beyond our close-minded views.

[cupcakelove]

they are using it as artillery to destroy the right side and win the '08 election.


...also- please note- i am an independant. i despise both the left and right.

The right did it to themselves, and I hate it because it keeps the democrats from having to actually come up with good ideas. Just because you're on the left doesn't mean you love the dems!

[LiddyRules]

The right did it to themselves, and I hate it because it keeps the democrats from having to actually come up with good ideas. Just because you're on the left doesn't mean you love the dems! The Democrats are still running on the "Hey, we're not George W. Bush" platform and they will do the same in 2008. You can probably find more and diferent ideas from the top Republican candidates.

[topless_mike]

not to start a holy war, but here is a few examples.

they (congress) were provided with evidence of WMD's. Congress approved the measure to go to war, including hillary, kerry, etc. this is all on tape from the senate floor.

just because now they cant find the wmd's, or they were moved, the left has used this to show that Bush lied, or the white house twisted the facts. again, this is all on tape.
flip-flopping at its best.

take chuck schumer- he, last week, said our troops were ineffective in resolving peace, and that the warlords are the reason that there is some peace in anbar. again, this is on tape on the senate floor.
which side is he rooting for? the americans or the terrorists.

karl rove was abused and discredited with "allegedy dropping valerie plame's name and blowing her cia cover". rove didnt do it. a demcrat by the name of richard armitage did, and he even admitted to it, yet rove was still driven out of office. so was gonzales, and a few others that i cant think of at the moment.

now, i think bush is a babbling idiot for a president, especially with his whole stance on immigration. but, i will have to admit, he has kept us safe in the 6 years since 9/11.

also- if you read up on the fairness doctrine (i think thats what its called), it calls for conservative talk shows must present some liberal views to be "fair", but not for liberal talk shows to present conservative ideas. this is nothing more than an attempt to shut up Hannity, Rush, etc from disclosing the crookedness of the left side.

to me, all politicians are crooked- you dont arrive at that much power without scratching somebody's back.

i will stop here, but i can go further if warrented.

[LiddyRules]

take chuck schumer- he, last week, said our troops were ineffective in resolving peace, and that the warlords are the reason that there is some peace in anbar. again, this is on tape on the senate floor.
which side is he rooting for? the americans or the terrorists. Americans. Why is admitting that there's something we can't do, or something we are ineffective at, automatically "rooting for the terrorists?" Why does it have to be us or them? So many people have said that Saddam have kept Iraq under control a lot better than we have. Is that also terrorism supporting to you?

yet rove was still driven out of office. YEARS after the fact. Not everything is based on a single issue.

so was gonzales Not on Plame but other shit that he had his greasy hands in.

also- if you read up on the fairness doctrine (i think thats what its called), Who brought up The Fairness Doctrine in this thread? And it's doubtful it will pass anyway. And in the late 90s, early 2000s the Republicans were kicking the Democrats ass in the public perception anyway. You don't think the Democrats would have wanted this even without 9/11?

[S0S]

There were plenty of attacks on America before 9/11 including the WTC, embassies, and our troops....

[topless_mike]

and, much like pearl harbor, 9/11 will go away and be forgotten unless you physically knew and loved somebody lost in this tragedy.

while i did not personally know anyone lost on 9/11, i cannot imagine the pain some of you went through and will always go through. but being so close and seeing the smoke, all i can say is that there are people out there that want to hurt us, and we must do whatever we can to protect ourselves, even if this includes profiling, spying, and force.

[Yerdaddy]

we get along so much better

[Fat_Sunny]

we get along so much better


You Can Blame That Even More On The Election Of 2000 And The Florida Re-Count.

[Recyclerz]

not to start a holy war, but here is a few examples.

they (congress) were provided with evidence of WMD's. Congress approved the measure to go to war, including hillary, kerry, etc. this is all on tape from the senate floor.

just because now they cant find the wmd's, or they were moved, the left has used this to show that Bush lied, or the white house twisted the facts. again, this is all on tape.
flip-flopping at its best.

take chuck schumer- he, last week, said our troops were ineffective in resolving peace, and that the warlords are the reason that there is some peace in anbar. again, this is on tape on the senate floor.
which side is he rooting for? the americans or the terrorists.

karl rove was abused and discredited with "allegedy dropping valerie plame's name and blowing her cia cover". rove didnt do it. a demcrat by the name of richard armitage did, and he even admitted to it, yet rove was still driven out of office. so was gonzales, and a few others that i cant think of at the moment.

now, i think bush is a babbling idiot for a president, especially with his whole stance on immigration. but, i will have to admit, he has kept us safe in the 6 years since 9/11.

also- if you read up on the fairness doctrine (i think thats what its called), it calls for conservative talk shows must present some liberal views to be "fair", but not for liberal talk shows to present conservative ideas. this is nothing more than an attempt to shut up Hannity, Rush, etc from disclosing the crookedness of the left side.

to me, all politicians are crooked- you dont arrive at that much power without scratching somebody's back.

i will stop here, but i can go further if warrented.


Dude, I'm not sure if it is "Opposite Day" or if I'm just "Don't get your bit" guy but just about everything you posted above is wrong.

WMD's - There is a ton of easily accessible, well researched information now available that Cheney's crew cherry picked a handful of facts about Saddam's WMD programs and twisted them into an elaborate narrative that ultimately had zero congruence with reality. If you want me to recommend just one source, read "Hubris" by Michael Isikoff and David Corn.

Schumer is pointing out what everybody (including our military leaders and Republicans in Congress) agrees with: there is no way for our Army & Marines to "win" in Iraq; all they can do is provide the opportunity for Iraqis themselves to reach a political settlement (short of genocide) that will enable us to get out. The Marine Generals that "flipped" the Sunni tribal chiefs deserve all the props in the world - they pulled off "some" positive developments on their own, more than our civilian leadership has been able to.

Karl Rove and Scooter Libby did release to journalists (at least Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, respectively) the fact that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent as part of an effort to discredit Joe Wilsopn, who had publicly disagreed with one aspect of the Administration's bum rush to war and they PROBABLY did so at the direction of Dick Cheney. Richard Armitage, a Republican, was the first to "out" Plame (to Robert Novak and Bob Wooward) but apparently did so only because he had a big mouth, and does not appear to have been part of the scheme to discredit Wilson. If you read Hubris, you'll get the background story on this.

The fairness doctorine was an old regulation from the FCC to try to guarantee all points of view get heard. It has nothing to do with favoring or forcing liberal views onto an unsuspecting public. Some dopey liberals have talked about getting equal time with Limbaugh, Hannity et al. on conservative radio stations. I think this is a stupid idea that will go nowhere, but I'm sure that Rush & Friends are raising a misleading ruckus about it to confuse and rile up the hayseeds.


I'll stop here for now (to go back to work) but will carry on later, warranted or not. :wink:

[The Silencer]

R.I.P For my Fallen Brothers...NYPD Finest, May God rest on your soul!

[topless_mike]

Dude, I'm not sure if it is "Opposite Day" or if I'm just "Don't get your bit" guy but just about everything you posted above is wrong.

WMD's - There is a ton of easily accessible, well researched information now available that Cheney's crew cherry picked a handful of facts about Saddam's WMD programs and twisted them into an elaborate narrative that ultimately had zero congruence with reality. If you want me to recommend just one source, read "Hubris" by Michael Isikoff and David Corn.
Bill and Hilary Clinton , Al Gore and almost every other Democrat including Russian and French and German Intelligence supported the UN sanctions against iraq. and the fact that iraq had WMD’s since the UN inspectors were kicked out under the Clinton administration Bush need Sadaam to come clean about WMD’s and he gave him 6 months to let Inspector’s into iraq and to prove there were no WMD’s Sadaam would not and the UN resolution 1421 was voted on by all but one Democrat to give the President the authority to go to war and that is what he did after 911


Schumer is pointing out what everybody (including our military leaders and Republicans in Congress) agrees with: there is no way for our Army & Marines to "win" in Iraq; all they can do is provide the opportunity for Iraqis themselves to reach a political settlement (short of genocide) that will enable us to get out. The Marine Generals that "flipped" the Sunni tribal chiefs deserve all the props in the world - they pulled off "some" positive developments on their own, more than our civilian leadership has been able to.
this i have to agree with you on- we can only do so much- iraq has to hold onto their end of the bargain and git it done.

Karl Rove and Scooter Libby did release to journalists (at least Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, respectively) the fact that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent as part of an effort to discredit Joe Wilsopn, who had publicly disagreed with one aspect of the Administration's bum rush to war and they PROBABLY did so at the direction of Dick Cheney. Richard Armitage, a Republican, was the first to "out" Plame (to Robert Novak and Bob Wooward) but apparently did so only because he had a big mouth, and does not appear to have been part of the scheme to discredit Wilson. If you read Hubris, you'll get the background story on this.
Armitage did leak Valerie Plame’s name to Robert Novak and since he is a Democrat leaning Rep. it was kept secret from the public. about Valerie Plame being a covert agent that was proven not to be the case by the CIA and the video tape of Valerie Plame denying she influeced the decision to send her husband Joe Wilson to Niger to discredit and lie about the Bush Whitehouse and the fact Niger was soliciting to buy Uranium has been documented and there is talk about an indictment against these two liars. Libby and Rove were responding to the reporters questions ..when they were asked why would Joe Wilson who lied under oath against the administration to the 911 commission regarding Niger and Uranium have been hand picked by the Bush administration when he was not even qualified to go? ..well both Rovbe and Libby had to say it wasn’t us who sent him but we hear it was his wife who pushed for this and the reporters said ..doesn’t she work for the CIA and they said yes.

The fairness doctorine was an old regulation from the FCC to try to guarantee all points of view get heard. It has nothing to do with favoring or forcing liberal views onto an unsuspecting public. Some dopey liberals have talked about getting equal time with Limbaugh, Hannity et al. on conservative radio stations. I think this is a stupid idea that will go nowhere, but I'm sure that Rush & Friends are raising a misleading ruckus about it to confuse and rile up the hayseeds.
The problem here is that only conservative talk show hosts are being targeted. Yet the twisted moveon .org, The Times and other Left sources are not going to be targeted.

I'll stop here for now (to go back to work) but will carry on later, warranted or not. :wink:
me too- i've devoted way to much time for this, rather than search nsfw material while at work.

xoxo...

[DarkHippie]

Bill and Hilary Clinton , Al Gore and almost every other Democrat including Russian and French and German Intelligence supported the UN sanctions against iraq. and the fact that iraq had WMD’s since the UN inspectors were kicked out under the Clinton administration Bush need Sadaam to come clean about WMD’s and he gave him 6 months to let Inspector’s into iraq and to prove there were no WMD’s Sadaam would not and the UN resolution 1421 was voted on by all but one Democrat to give the President the authority to go to war and that is what he did after 911


this i have to agree with you on- we can only do so much- iraq has to hold onto their end of the bargain and git it done.

Armitage did leak Valerie Plame’s name to Robert Novak and since he is a Democrat leaning Rep. it was kept secret from the public. about Valerie Plame being a covert agent that was proven not to be the case by the CIA and the video tape of Valerie Plame denying she influeced the decision to send her husband Joe Wilson to Niger to discredit and lie about the Bush Whitehouse and the fact Niger was soliciting to buy Uranium has been documented and there is talk about an indictment against these two liars. Libby and Rove were responding to the reporters questions ..when they were asked why would Joe Wilson who lied under oath against the administration to the 911 commission regarding Niger and Uranium have been hand picked by the Bush administration when he was not even qualified to go? ..well both Rovbe and Libby had to say it wasn’t us who sent him but we hear it was his wife who pushed for this and the reporters said ..doesn’t she work for the CIA and they said yes.

The problem here is that only conservative talk show hosts are being targeted. Yet the twisted moveon .org, The Times and other Left sources are not going to be targeted.

me too- i've devoted way to much time for this, rather than search nsfw material while at work.

xoxo...

You listen to the media too much.

[Furtherman]

The problem here is that only conservative talk show hosts are being targeted. Yet the twisted moveon .org, The Times and other Left sources are not going to be targeted. ...

The problem with two conservative talk shows, such as O'Reilly and Rush, is that a rapist and a pill-head have too many parrots as listeners. What they say, their fans repeat to anyone and everyone that can hear them. It's pathetic and they should be discredited. Not only do they not practice what they preach, but they sleep on a fat pile of money due to the simplicity of the uneducated.

Moveon.org, the New York Times - guilty of the same thing. They hate the administration no matter what - even the good things they've done, which will be ignored because it goes against their hatred for everything the administration does.

Your best bet is to tune out any talking head and use your own.

[buzzard]

WOW, and I thought I wrote novels...things changed for awhile then people go back to who they basically were to begin with.I personally appreciate lots more of the moments of my life rather than the events.I feel much closer to those of you who were so deeply affected by 9/11 Conversely,I feel much more cynically towards the politicians & profiteers who have done their best to line their pockets,further their own agendas and feed off of our misery.

[Leticia]

The world definitely changed for the worst.

Mostly for the Media.( I mean that the media has made it horrible)

But now 9/11 is used to start wars and discriminate against people and they made heroes out of Rudy Gulliani and George Bush who didn't do anything except exist when it happened. And visit the grounds.

I mean obviously 9/11 didn't do us good. But the fact that people(the two above) keep living off of the fame they got politically because of it sickens me.

I didn't read the last few arguments posted. So sorry if I just repeated what everyone else said. I wouldn't think I have some kind of radical thought, obviously, but it's what I think.

[LiddyRules]

and the fact that iraq had WMD’s since the UN inspectors were kicked out under the Clinton administration Bush need Sadaam to come clean about WMD’s and he gave him 6 months to let Inspector’s into iraq and to prove there were no WMD’s Sadaam would not and the UN resolution 1421 was voted on by all but one Democrat to give the President the authority to go to war and that is what he did after 911 Thanks to misleading information and scare tactics and the ball-less, cowardly Democrats.

this i have to agree with you on- we can only do so much- iraq has to hold onto their end of the bargain and git it done. Really? Git it done?

The problem here is that only conservative talk show hosts are being targeted. Yet the twisted moveon .org, The Times and other Left sources are not going to be targeted. How do you know? I had no CLUE that the NY Post was going to be forced to present liberal views with the Fairness Doctrine. Moveon.org is online and therefore not regulated by Congress. And there are so many fucking propositions of insanity and senselessness posed to Congress and hardly any of them go through. Of course The Fairness Doctrine targets those poor unfortunate Republicans and conservatives who are so weak and helpless that they must unite the people to fight on their wallet-bulging behalf. So let's further divide this nation.

But I truly feel that most if not all of of this would have happened had 9/11 not happened. The average American only seems to care about 9/11 if it's brought up and they need to save face. Most of the time I really just think life continues as usual for them.

[Hottub]

It was a gorgeous morning. Warm, with a nice breeze. Cloudless. And the sky was the most amazing shade of blue. I remember sitting in "Stugot's Studio" with my coffee and almost speaking out loud what a beautiful day it was.

I showered, shaved, got dressed, and whistled a happy tune on my way to the car. 7:20 A.M.

The mood at the office was light and friendly. I had an early meeting with a client/friend. The beauty of the day seemed to have everyone in good spirits. Another customer came in. "Tub. You got a radio? Something is going on in the city!"





As I have done for the last 5 years, I just lit my candle. I will spend tomorrow not doing much work. Mostly thinking about the innocent people we all lost, and, of course, their families.

[LiddyRules]

As I have done for the last 5 years, I just lit my candle. I will spend tomorrow not doing much work. Mostly thinking about the innocent people we all lost, and, of course, their families. And what do you think most people will act like?

[Hottub]

And what do you think most people will act like?

The people who know, remember, and care, will more than likely be in the same mindset. I know all of my friends, co-workers and long time clients will be. I think it will basically be

"You got a serious issue? Call me tomorrow I'm dealing with my own issues now."

[TheMojoPin]

Yes.

For the worse, mainly due to how our current administration played on our confusion and fears and anger afterwards, creating an environment far more divisive than anything in our country's history since the civil rights reform era.

[Hottub]

The fucking buildings were struck by fuel-loaded planes. They were engulfed in flames, an soon after collapsed.

I'm going to log off for a few minutes.

[epo]

Armitage did leak Valerie Plame’s name to Robert Novak and since he is a Democrat leaning Rep.


This is the damn funniest thing I've read in weeks. I actually spit soda out of my nose laughing!

Wait....you are serious. This is the craziest statement I've ever read since Bush claimed in 2000 that he believed in a "humble foreign policy".

Robert Novak has been called the "Prince of Darkness" by progressives for years. He is currently drawing a check from Fox Fucking News & he spawned a son who was one of the architects of the 2004 Swift Boat Campaign. This sir, is no "Democratic leaning Republican".

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[A.J.]

Yes.

For the worse, mainly due to how our current administration played on our confusion and fears and anger afterwards, creating an environment far more divisive than anything in our country's history since the civil rights reform era.

I assume you mean in terms of politics.

[TheMojoPin]

I assume you mean in terms of politics.

Yes. EVERYTHING gets satamped on as either being "liberal" and "conservative," as if both sides are actually each other's enemies and completely wrong and need to be "stopped."

[Freitag]

The problem with two conservative talk shows, such as O'Reilly and Rush, is that a rapist and a pill-head have too many parrots as listeners. What they say, their fans repeat to anyone and everyone that can hear them. It's pathetic and they should be discredited. Not only do they not practice what they preach, but they sleep on a fat pile of money due to the simplicity of the uneducated.

Moveon.org, the New York Times - guilty of the same thing. They hate the administration no matter what - even the good things they've done, which will be ignored because it goes against their hatred for everything the administration does.

Your best bet is to tune out any talking head and use your own.

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. I'm not a huge fan of O'Reilly's but it's a turbo leap to go from the interpersonal misconduct that he was accused of and settled for than what you just branded him as.

And yes, America has changed. We've become polarized and lost our unity. I'm not sure if it'll get better when Bush leaves office. I think the damage has been done.

[A.J.]

And yes, America has changed. We've become polarized and lost our unity. I'm not sure if it'll get better when Bush leaves office. I think the damage has been done.

I think that's more to do with Iraq than 9/11. (Yes, I know people want to link the two.)

[TheMojoPin]

I think that's more to do with Iraq than 9/11. (Yes, I know people want to link the two.)

Yeah. They run the country.

[Furtherman]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. I'm not a huge fan of O'Reilly's but it's a turbo leap to go from the interpersonal misconduct that he was accused of and settled for than what you just branded him as.

Well I do know that there is a young lady with an 8 million dollar condo downtown who will tell you that she was raped. It was not told to me, but from a friend who knew her. Now I'm in no position to say what her definition is of raped is, but she got A LOT of money for some interpersonal misconduct.

[TheMojoPin]

Well I do know that there is a young lady with an 8 million dollar condo downtown who will tell you that she was raped. It was not told to me, but from a friend who knew her. Now I'm in no position to say what her definition is of raped is, but she got A LOT of money for some interpersonal misconduct.

Wait...what?

[Freitag]

Well I do know that there is a young lady with an 8 million dollar condo downtown who will tell you that she was raped. It was not told to me, but from a friend who knew her. Now I'm in no position to say what her definition is of raped is, but she got A LOT of money for some interpersonal misconduct.

Unless he was tried and convicted in a court, a statement like that is pretty much libel and slander. And there's a lot of people who have gotten big money for harassment, especially with companies with deep pockets like News Corp who just want things to go away.

I've NEVER heard the R word in relations to allegations with O'Reilly. Misconduct, yes. But never force.

[ralphbxny]

My commute through there was so fuckin quiet today. It freaked me out. The only noise was peoples shoes and the Path Train. No one looked out at the construction. It was heads down and to work or down to the train.

It should have changed us, but I dont think it has made us a better country. I forgot who said it earlier, but I think the Pearl Harbor reference is dead on. Here it will always be remembered. I was living out side of NY/DC/PA area and people were tired of coverage 24 hours in.

[ralphbxny]

Unless he was tried and convicted in a court, a statement like that is pretty much libel and slander. And there's a lot of people who have gotten big money for harassment, especially with companies with deep pockets like News Corp who just want things to go away.

I've NEVER heard the R word in relations to allegations with O'Reilly. Misconduct, yes. But never force.

Why do you care so much?

Reilly is still a Jerk off weather it was Rape or misconduct...arent we just arguing semantics?

[Doogie]

But now 9/11 is used to start wars and discriminate against people and they made heroes out of Rudy Gulliani and George Bush who didn't do anything except exist when it happened. And visit the grounds.

Yes I agree that the two of them are still living off that day. But to say that this made Guilliani became a hero out this you must not remember that in 1990, NY was ranked one of the 10 worst cities in the country. Crime was rampant, tourists were shot on a near daily basis, and Time Square was a sesspool of drugs, hookers, and porn stores. Guilliani came in and cleaned up the city in his first term by improving the quality of living. Starting by cleaning up the subways and having mass stings for subway jumpers. Hiring 10,000 new cops, and putting them on many street corners in the place of hooker in Times Square. By 1996, NY was one of the more improved cities in the country. Now yes in his 2nd term Guilliani did go a lil too far with things, and his approval rating was low on 9-10-2001. But then again what president or mayor who is about to go out have a high approval rating?? I think Guilliani would have of run for office on the platform of improving NY in 2004 and might have of been just as successful. We dont know cause we are playing the "what if" game there.

[Freitag]

Well I do know that there is a young lady with an 8 million dollar condo downtown who will tell you that she was raped. It was not told to me, but from a friend who knew her. Now I'm in no position to say what her definition is of raped is, but she got A LOT of money for some interpersonal misconduct.

...got a blanket pulled off her?

[Freitag]

Why do you care so much?

Reilly is still a Jerk off weather it was Rape or misconduct...arent we just arguing semantics?

Personal attacks against mods aren't allowed, son.

[Furtherman]

Look, all I'm saying is that I got it from a trusted source. Yea, in all likelyhood he was just a sexually abusive creep. He let his power get to his head, like how all people in power fail: thinking they are untouchable. The man is a scumbag and deserves to be labeled as such.

[Freitag]

Why do you care so much?

Reilly is still a Jerk off weather it was Rape or misconduct...arent we just arguing semantics?

And no. Semantics is arguing the difference between "pancake" and "crepe". This is between harrassment and ASSAULT, which is two TOTALLY different things.

It's like me calling Mikey a bunch of names and spitting on him, and then someone calling me a murderer.

[Furtherman]

My commute through there was so fuckin quiet today. It freaked me out. The only noise was peoples shoes and the Path Train.

I made an effort to get in ealy today only to be stuck in the Path tunnel for 20 minutes due to a switch failure. Of all the days...

[Freitag]

Look, all I'm saying is that I got it from a trusted source. Yea, in all likelyhood he was just a sexually abusive creep. He let his power get to his head, like how all people in power fail: thinking they are untouchable. The man is a scumbag and deserves to be labeled as such.

Again, I have no problem with you calling him a scumbag. But calling him what you did before with no evidence, either in the press or in a court of law is what I had the problem with. The matter is settled and you made a good point outside of the false accusation.

[Furtherman]

I'll take my chances with O'Reilly and side with the girl.

[LiddyRules]

For anyone wondering why I said "we haven't changed," it's because today's top news story (other than Remembering 9/11) is Britney's VMA performance and what does it all mean. It's being discussed more than the Petreaus report. So as this country goes further to hell, remember that Britney had a bit of a paunch and seemed bored with performing.

And I'm not saying it's bad to move on. And I'm not saying this should just be us sitting around mourning all day. That's not my point. My point is that when 9/11 happened everyone was saying how it fundamentally changed America and American values. And something like this further prove to me that it has not.

[Yerdaddy]

For anyone wondering why I said "we haven't changed," it's because today's top news story (other than Remembering 9/11) is Britney's VMA performance and what does it all mean. It's being discussed more than the Petreaus report. So as this country goes further to hell, remember that Britney had a bit of a paunch and seemed bored with performing.

And I'm not saying it's bad to move on. And I'm not saying this should just be us sitting around mourning all day. That's not my point. My point is that when 9/11 happened everyone was saying how it fundamentally changed America and American values. And something like this further prove to me that it has not.

Christ! I've got CNN Global - or whatever - BBC World and Voice Of America in my hotel room and I haven't seen anything but Petraeus and Crocker hearings. (Which is fine by me of course.) But I've seen almost nothing about 9-11 or Britney Spears. I also pulled about a dozen articles off the NYT and WP on the hearings and didn't see much on 9-11 except sidebar links. And, yes, I think it was no accident that these hearings we've been wating nine months for were scheduled by the White House on Sept 10th and 11th.