Journeyman

[LiddyRules]

JustJon seemed to have done all the readily available pilots except for this one. It's the Quantum Leapy show with the guy from Rome. So far it's one of the few pilots this season that I actually liked. But I also liked Quantum Leap.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

JustJon seemed to have done all the readily available pilots except for this one. It's the Quantum Leapy show with the guy from Rome. So far it's one of the few pilots this season that I actually liked. But I also liked Quantum Leap.

I just hope he doesn't recreate a paradox and have sex with his grandmother and becomes his own father.

[JustJon]

JustJon seemed to have done all the readily available pilots except for this one. It's the Quantum Leapy show with the guy from Rome. So far it's one of the few pilots this season that I actually liked. But I also liked Quantum Leap.

Yeah, didn't watch this one or Life.

[LiddyRules]

Yeah, didn't watch this one or Life. Yeah, Life doesn't interest me. Someone else can take that one. And they canned the really hot chick from Life too (Melissa Sagemiller).

[ChimneyFish]

I will definitely try to check this out.
He was my favorite part of Rome as Lucius Vorenus.

[MadMatt]

I just hope he doesn't recreate a paradox and have sex with his grandmother and becomes his own father.

Actually, he would be his own Grandfather, not Father.

And why not have sex with his Grandmother? We have to have SOMEBODY that can fight the giant brains...

[LiddyRules]

This is the best new show this season (that I have seen) with a true emotional core, highlighed by Vorenus' performance, with the sci-fi twist. Chuck seems like zany fun (I liked it). Bionic Woman or as I call it the Bore-Yawn-Ic Woman was just meh. So I'm definitely going to give it more chances to see what it can do.

[Dudeman]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002LJW.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[drusilla]

never watched rome, but i know he was tommy in trainspotting if that helps spark anyone's interest in the show.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

Actually, he would be his own Grandfather, not Father.

And why not have sex with his Grandmother? We have to have SOMEBODY that can fight the giant brains...


Your totally right. Sometimes when you get the opportunity to use a Futurama reference, you get too worked up in it and forget the logic. But, that is a very logical thing...becoming your own grandfather.

[BIGASS307Buddays]

I saw the pilot a month ago. I think it was good for network tv, a little more serious than Quantum Leap but a lot more confusing. I'm giving it a chance .. I recommend Pushing Daisies, it was off-beat and different from all other shows in primetime.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

the only thing I know about Pushing Daisies is that it was created by the guy who did Dead Like Me and Wonderfall. And maybe a theme about death. Not quite sure. I'll have to see a trailer for it or something. I'm kinda excited for Reaper. The Ghostbuster fan in me is jazzed about it. And it actually looks funny. Is there any word about Reaper sucking, blowing, or pretty good?

[underdog]

I was pretty pleased with the first episode. Some of the dialog and acting was really bad at times, but I like where the story can go.

[angrymissy]

I'll give it a shot, but they are going to play out the "LOOK AT ALL THE YEAR SPECIFIC ITEMS LIKE BOOMBOXES AND SILLY CLOTHING TO SHOW YOU WHAT YEAR IT IS" angle

[Furtherman]

I'll give it a shot, but they are going to play out the "LOOK AT ALL THE YEAR SPECIFIC ITEMS LIKE BOOMBOXES AND SILLY CLOTHING TO SHOW YOU WHAT YEAR IT IS" angle

They did do that, but it seemed more with the music they played every place he entered - The Cranberries, Oasis, etc.

I like the twist that his ex-fiance showed up and is somehow part of "it". Not a bad show to watch after Heroes.

[Freitag]

I said in the heroes thread it felt like they jammed 8 hours of plot into 60 minutes of show. I think the subplot that his current wife was with his brother before coming to him, the fact that he had a mysterious past concerning substance abuse, etc. etc. was just too much for one show, but I guess that's why they call it a pilot. They want to paint as big a picture as possible.

DEFINITELY better than Studio 60.

Something that really annoyed me was Dan - in late 1997 - trying to get information on the people he was trying to help. The Internet *was* available back then, ESPECIALLY in a place like San Francisco.

[Freitag]

I also keep seeing Dead Zone Anthony Michael Hall instead of Rome Guy

[Freitag]

Also, here's the paradox that annoys me.

Whoever is pulling the strings sent him back to 89, where he saves Neal Gaines. That means if he doesn't go back to 89, Gaines dies right there. But the higher power intended solely for Gaines to get married and have a kid, but then kill him anyway?

This is why I hate time travel shows.

[underdog]

Also, here's the paradox that annoys me.

Whoever is pulling the strings sent him back to 89, where he saves Neal Gaines. That means if he doesn't go back to 89, Gaines dies right there. But the higher power intended solely for Gaines to get married and have a kid, but then kill him anyway?

This is why I hate time travel shows.

He needed to save him so he'd have the kid so the kid would save children in a fire or accident or something.

[underdog]

I'll give it a shot, but they are going to play out the "LOOK AT ALL THE YEAR SPECIFIC ITEMS LIKE BOOMBOXES AND SILLY CLOTHING TO SHOW YOU WHAT YEAR IT IS" angle

They did a lot of that. It really seemed like there was good writing and then the network was like, "People aren't going to understand he went back in time unless we shove it in their face. Let's have someone walk by with a boom box and then later, we'll have someone standing next to him with a huge cell phone."

[Furtherman]

Something that really annoyed me was Dan - in late 1997 - trying to get information on the people he was trying to help. The Internet *was* available back then, ESPECIALLY in a place like San Francisco.

It was available, but nowhere near whereas you can just put in a name and find an address or phone number. Plus, he didn't have access to a computer. It certainly wasn't available on his cell phone.

And yea, he needed to save Gaines in order for him to have a son, who would become a doctor, and that would save the six children in the school bus accident.

[Freitag]

He needed to save him so he'd have the kid so the kid would save children in a fire or accident or something.

Higher power is awfully good at jumping to conclusions. Time Paradox algebra doesn't work that way.

[Furtherman]

Higher power is awfully good at jumping to conclusions. Time Paradox algebra doesn't work that way.

They showed the footage of the son saving the children. If he didn't exist, chances are the kids would have died.

[angrymissy]

They showed the footage of the son saving the children. If he didn't exist, chances are the kids would have died.

Yeah, he showed his brother a video of the Gaines kid saving a bunch of kids in a school bus fire, said something like he pulled them out and did a tracheotomy. That was the whole point of him saving the guys life initially, so he could have the kid.

[Freitag]

They showed the footage of the son saving the children. If he didn't exist, chances are the kids would have died.

Yeah, he showed his brother a video of the Gaines kid saving a bunch of kids in a school bus fire, said something like he pulled them out and did a tracheotomy. That was the whole point of him saving the guys life initially, so he could have the kid.

That's just it. Was the bus accident mentioned or shown BEFORE he went back? The video footage doesn't exist without the kid.

It's a reverse Terminator predetermination paradox. Was there an alternate timeline where the kid existed? The higher power who is sending Dan back is assuming this kid is meant for good things, but how did the kid exist in the first place and how did the higher power know this?

The only explanation is that there are other people who are messing with time, which explains why an older, alive Olivia was around too in the apartment.

Timeline A:

Gaines dies. Suicide. 1987. Does not meet Nicole, does not have the kid. Bus accident occurs. So if that's the unaltered timeline, why does the higher power know things like Nicole and the Kid happen in the first place?


Timeline B:

Gaines lives. Meets nicole in 1997-98, they have the kid.

Timeline B-1:

Gaines lives, kills Nicole and the kid.

Timeline B-2:

Gaines dies before killing Nicole and the kid. Kid saves the bus accident.

THIS IS WHAT HIRO WARNED US ABOUT FIVE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.

[Furtherman]

That's just it. Was the bus accident mentioned or shown BEFORE he went back? The video footage doesn't exist without the kid.

It doesn't matter. The footage would exist, but it would just be a bus full of kids on fire. The son pulled the kids out.

It's best not to think too hard about timelines and such.

[Freitag]

It doesn't matter. The footage would exist, but it would just be a bus full of kids on fire. The son pulled the kids out.

It's best not to think too hard about timelines and such.

THIS IS WHY I HATE TIME TRAVEL YET LOVE TO WATCH

[drusilla]

the show was pretty interesting, but it took about 40 minutes to get there. i guess i understand that they had to jam everything in to the first episode for you to really get what was going on. i'll stick around for a while. but considering how much hotter/ nicer/ more understanding his old girlfriend was, i think i see some big problems with his wife & brother coming up since she's back in his life.

[Zorro]

Seems like a Life on Mars knockoff

[drusilla]

Seems like a Life on Mars knockoff

i was thinking that too, but then didnt quantum leap come first?

[drusilla]

oh i also like how the episode ended with him sitting in the chair fully dressed so that if he "leaps" in the middle of the night again he's prepared this time.

[Zorro]

i was thinking that too, but then didnt quantum leap come first?

Quantum Leap was first. I was referring more to the style of the show.

[PD]

damn; wrong thread.

I enjoyed this show - esp once we see that Olivia also "leaps"

that added something

[Freitag]

damn; wrong thread.

I enjoyed this show - esp once we see that Olivia also "leaps"

that added something

Yes, but didn't Olivia warn him "not to change anything"? With the indication that he's messing things up?

Future Olivia = Evil?

[drusilla]

i thin khe is supposed to go back & change things for a purpose, but i think she warned him about not fucking other things up like running into her or other people from the past that he's not supposed to interact with.

[Furtherman]

i thin khe is supposed to go back & change things for a purpose, but i think she warned him about not fucking other things up like running into her or other people from the past that he's not supposed to interact with.

Then why was future Olivia headed to her own apartment, where past Olivia was? Hmmm...

[Freitag]

Speaking of other ripoffs, wasn't Dan's final leap after Gaines' death pulled directly from Timecop?

(which is probably the best Van Damme movie after Bloodsport)

[drusilla]

Then why was future Olivia headed to her own apartment, where past Olivia was? Hmmm...

i dont think she was heading to her own apartment. she might have been watching out for / watching over dan. but who knows. she could be the evil leaper.

[Furtherman]

Well she came real close to running into herself and destroying the space-time continuum!

[drusilla]

great scott!

[King Imp]

I went into this thinking it was just going to be another Quantum Leap. While it has it's similarities, I honestly feel this show has done it better. I really dug this and will be watching every week.

As for his "mission" this week, I wasn't completely thrilled with the payoff. I mean I love how he had to change 3 things at 3 different times just to get the end result, but he went through all that simply so the boy could grow up and save 6 people on a bus? Seems like a lot of work for a small payoff.

Either way, I was pleased and will be sticking around. Of course it doesn't hurt having Moon Bloodgood on the show either. Strange name, but man is she gorgeous.

[LiddyRules]

I liked the pilot. I did wonder if the second episode would actually continue my like of the show. And damn it, it did. I am now into this show and I like how his chick fully accepts that he's a time traveller and we don't have to spend half a season of him trying to convince her.

[angrymissy]

Just in case you don't realize it is 1996, we are going to play a Smashing Pumpkins song and have people dressed in flannel with bad hair

[ChrisTheCop]

Just in case you don't realize it is 1996, we are going to play a Smashing Pumpkins song and have people dressed in flannel with bad hair

dont forget "shining star" in the 70's plane.

I am still enjoying this show.
My fave this week was the cop chasing him was his brother. NICE. He got away...now he'll never make detective!


....or WILL he???

[King Imp]

Just in case you don't realize it is 1996, we are going to play a Smashing Pumpkins song and have people dressed in flannel with bad hair

I personally don't mind it. Hell, I actually enjoy it, seeing the sights and hearing the sounds of a different time. It's not like they are ramming it down our throats and frankly what do people expect, him to go back 10-20 years and have everything look the same?

[sailor]

Also, here's the paradox that annoys me.

Whoever is pulling the strings sent him back to 89, where he saves Neal Gaines. That means if he doesn't go back to 89, Gaines dies right there. But the higher power intended solely for Gaines to get married and have a kid, but then kill him anyway?

This is why I hate time travel shows.

when did he try to access the internet? are you talking about on his cell, where the point would be that he had no cell plan on that phone in that year, not that there was no internet.

and everyone complaining about the clothing...that's what it was like, sadly. should they dress like hipsters of today? no, it would make no sense. relax and have some fun peoples. (apologies to king imp who pretty much says the same thing. i too enjoy the past scenes.)

[LiddyRules]

About the 90s clothing, I just accept it. All other decades have "stock" clothing (70s, 80s) and a "stock" soundtrack. It's fair time for the 90s to get that.

[S0S]

Journeyman makes no sense!

:ohmy:

[Furtherman]

dont forget "shining star" in the 70's plane.

I am still enjoying this show.
My fave this week was the cop chasing him was his brother. NICE. He got away...now he'll never make detective!


....or WILL he???

I thought that was a nice touch as well. However, his brother did pocket the "future" money. Maybe this will change his timeline somehow?

Good second epidose. Loved the 70's plane with the token drunk proctologist!

[angrymissy]

I like the show.

I just think its going to get a little cliche'd with the over the top dated references

[King Imp]

Loved the 70's plane with the token drunk proctologist!

I actually got a kick out of the kid with the toy gun considering how much things have changed now.

[barjockey]

really liked the show hope it sticks around long enough to catch on

[legroommusic]

This journeyman brings me back to the 80's
http://blogs.sltrib.com/tv/uploaded_images/StevePerry-772215.jpg

[led37zep]

My "girl" somehow deleted last weeks episode so I missed it. :wallbash::furious:
i will be watching tonight, its a great show.

[Chris from TX]

I really enjoyed the first three episodes. I can't remember if any of the other philanthropic time-traveling shows had much of a story arc. Just hope it walk that fine line between reasonably possible to utterly ridiculous. It also kinda reminds me of that old CBS show "Early Edition".

[TooLowBrow]

has anyone read 'the time travelers wife'? this show seems similar, in a good way. on a side note i think that i had read that brad pitt and jen aniston had optioned the rights for the book to be turned movie. pitt picks pretty good movies so i think it'll turn out well.

[RichieRich]

What do people think about the premise of the show that certain events are inevitable while others can be changed? I think it's an interesting idea that certain people’s fates are written in stone and the harder you push to change their fate the harder it pushes back. Although, I am sure this show will be canceled it's interesting while it lasts.

[LiddyRules]

I'm really nervous that they'll axe the fantastic Journeyman and move that utterly generic piece of shit Bionic Woman. Every week I'm into this show more.

[sailor]

My "girl" somehow deleted last weeks episode so I missed it. :wallbash::furious:
i will be watching tonight, its a great show.

does "girl" mean it's a boy?

[TooLowBrow]

does "girl" mean it's a boy?

i think quotes just means take it with a grain of salt

[Chris from TX]

I saw the latest Journeyman, and while I liked how the series started, I have seemed to lose interest. The whole "wife pissed that her husband is time traveling with his ex-fiance and always misses my dinner party" story is kinda old-hat.

It could also be that between the last episode and this one, I watched LOST for the first time. In between having no life, I finished the entire series thus far. Maybe after being blown away by LOST, other shows are gonna have to try a little harder for a while. I guess I'm jaded.

[Aggie]

I saw the latest Journeyman, and while I liked how the series started, I have seemed to lose interest. The whole "wife pissed that her husband is time traveling with his ex-fiance and always misses my dinner party" story is kinda old-hat.

It could also be that between the last episode and this one, I watched LOST for the first time. In between having no life, I finished the entire series thus far. Maybe after being blown away by LOST, other shows are gonna have to try a little harder for a while. I guess I'm jaded.

So do you go to A&M or just live in College Station? Class of 2000 checking in but remember, I'm the original board Aggie! :thumbup:

I feel the same and I was going to use Lost to explain why. This show has been interesting to a point and I've watched all 3 episodes but it's just not GRABBING me. I haven't bought into the mystery of the show yet like I did with Lost. I was dying to know who was behind the events on the Island and Dharma and all that.

This show just hasn't gotten me to care or have me on the edge of my seat. I'll give it a little more time but I might have to drop this one.

[Chris from TX]

Aggie: I just graduated this past summer, now I just work for 'em. Nice to see a fellow Aggie on here, and no prob, you can be the original.:bye:

As for Journeyman, it has to be the quality of the show and not just my LOST jadedness. The characters haven't exactly fleshed out, so I'm getting a little fed up with their one dimension. Also, he's doing this for some higher purpose, but he never messes things up (at least not yet), affects the present to any degree, or is any immanent danger of dying. How far can they go with this premise and still have me on board? Plenty of shows keep the tension up and at least some empathy with its characters: the aforementioned LOST, Dexter, even the Riches. I'll save my money for a while and not purchase this show on iTunes and only catch it when it is on.

[drusilla]

i like the show a lot. his wife is really annoying though. every week it's the same shit with her bitching, but last night was great cause he totally put her in her place. it's starting to annoy me that olivia isn't answering any of his questions or really explaining what the hell her deal is, but i do like the show. it seems like it's going to start getting a little crazy in the near future with the liquor store robbery & all the money he just stumbled upon.

but seriosuly... a liquor store without a video camera?


oh i've also started to realize that he "leaps" when he seems to be in a stresfull situation (mostly involving the wife). i wonder if that is just a coincidence, or really has something to do with when he jumps.

[Chris from TX]

I agree with your take on it drusilla. I watched the latest episode, but am still getting frustrated when I watch. Livia is getting a little annoying now, as is Dan's brother. Either let him in on it (just bury something else, that seems to work), or give us some more Livia information if she is such an expert on jumping/travelling/quantum leaping.

[ChrisTheCop]

all valid points, but lets not compare anything to the amazingnessishment of Lost.

you will never enjoy another show again if you expect it to be Lost.

I agree that occasionally, I yawn at this show, but enough interesting things pop up to make me say, "coool"....like when his kid saw him leap.

One thing I was wondering though, early on, werent they using Google for everything, like on Life? He'd come back from a mission and immediately Google someone...now he uses Fynder-Spyder. There was even a throwaway line about, if ya wanna be a millionaire dont write a book invent a search engine. I wonder if Google made a fuss?

He also has an Iphone by the way.

I still dig the show and am willing to give it some slack.

[sailor]

all valid points, but lets not compare anything to the amazingnessishment of Lost.

you will never enjoy another show again if you expect it to be Lost.

I agree that occasionally, I yawn at this show, but enough interesting things pop up to make me say, "coool"....like when his kid saw him leap.

One thing I was wondering though, early on, werent they using Google for everything, like on Life? He'd come back from a mission and immediately Google someone...now he uses Fynder-Spyder. There was even a throwaway line about, if ya wanna be a millionaire dont write a book invent a search engine. I wonder if Google made a fuss?

He also has an Iphone by the way.

I still dig the show and am willing to give it some slack.

i agree, it's a fun show, but it's crazy to expect a new show to be lost or not enough. another thing, didn't ron say it was better than lost or am i imagining that? that's madness to me, if true.

[drusilla]

i thought he was always using finder spyder the whole time because my boyfriend always makes a comment about how dumb the name is. it just came up in another show we were watching the other night as well, svu i think. i'm pretty sure it's the new "555"

[LiddyRules]

Every week this show continues to impress me more and more. I had no idea after the pilot it would be this good and use continuity so well.

[BIGASS307Buddays]

Journeyman continues to impress each week. They answer questions and create new ones each week. I hate shows that string you along with no payoff, Journeyman like Dexter gives you a nice dose of plot twists, good acting and a solid payoff (hopefully for Journeyman, damn NBC only ordered initial 13 episodes).

[ChrisTheCop]

Wine doesnt travel well thru time.

Such a well written show; the writers seem to know exactly where they want to go with every little thing...even if it takes a few weeks to get there. That 20 dollar bill for example... now his brother is gonna catch on. And Livia definitely got some depth this week. Such a cool premise, her journey could be its own show!

[Furtherman]

And Livia definitely got some depth this week. Such a cool premise, her journey could be its own show!

Exactly... how cool was that. 1948 I think it was? I need to see that picture of her again.

And we got a little glimpse of why he's time traveling... it's gotta be something with Livia and quartz and the minerals the professor said he was studying. The hippie kids had them around their necks.

And Luke Duke as a swinger. Nice.

[BIGASS307Buddays]

Journeyman just fucken gets better and better.... I pray for NBC to pick it up. They never ordered the full season pick-up (just 13 espisodes) before the writer's strike, which worries me, and I'm actually in the know.

[King Imp]

Journeyman just fucken gets better and better.... I pray for NBC to pick it up. They never ordered the full season pick-up (just 13 espisodes) before the writer's strike, which worries me, and I'm actually in the know.


Unfortunately things are not looking too good and I am pissed about it.

NBC gives Journeyman two weeks notice (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2007/11/nbc-gives-journ.html)

Considering the fact that the "Nielsen family" seems to be made up of morons who would rather watch and keep crap on the air (i.e. Dancing with the Stars, Super Nanny, Wife Swap, Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?, etc."), I have little faith that they will have the intelligence to switch over to this show to save it.

[underdog]

I hate the wife in this show. It irritates me to no end that she gets mad that he is traveling. He has no choice. I hate her character so much.

But other than that, I fucking love this show. Last night's episode was great and next week's looks even better. I really hope it pulls up the ratings in the next two weeks.

[ChrisTheCop]

I come here to give my weekly "one of the best shows on television" posts, and you tell me it's about to get xxld??!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it has a huge fanbase, much like Jericho did, so I'm sure the networks would eventually have to cave and give us what we want.. but that combined with the writers strike has me nervous. This story is going in a great direction, and the possibility that I may never get to see the ending pisses the shit out of me... ew.

ok...ok....i'll go on as if ive never heard of the strike, nor read the above few comments.

When the kid disappeared I did think for a second that maybe Dan's condition was Hereditary.

The fact that Jack hasnt figured it out, now that history has changed, doesnt mean he wont figure it out. The $20 bill is still on his mind, so why wouldnt he ask Dan about it again? (or maybe Livia tells him on the elevator)
Also, it looks like theyre setting that fbi guy up to be like a Jack McGee or Lt Gerard.

the kidtoucher looks very scary next week.



edit: wait-- please tell me I'm JustJon and this is make up stuff tuesday...?

[S0S]

I still don't get why Dan Vassar(Kevin McKidd) is traveling back in time but the scientist who studies tachyons could be the answer.
Livia Beale(Moon Bloodgood) who was from 1948! is so much more hotter than Katie Vasser(Gretchen Egolf) who has this dragged-out storyline about become a television reporter again.
Jack Vasser (Reed Diamond) giving up his brother was a scummy thing to do but I guess it was needed for the FBI agent adversary angle to happen.

[margin]

If Dan and his brother never had that conversation about the twenty dollar bill and the murdered kid, then why would Dan remember it? Seems like after Dan changed the past, he'd forget why he time travelled in the first place.

And why can't Dan travel back in time and comeback at the same time he left? Is the only reason to piss off his wife?

[King Imp]

The show just gets better and better, but because morons would rather watch mindless crap, we won't get to see where this goes. The Nielsen system seriously needs to enter the 21st century and be overhauled.

[Chris from TX]

This nights episode fleshed out the story pretty nicely. Goddamn NBC. Renewing Chuck and Life. Never watched Life, but Chuck, meh. C'mon!

I heard Journeyman's demise is imminent, but they were waiting until after this week's ratings.

[sailor]

This nights episode fleshed out the story pretty nicely. Goddamn NBC. Renewing Chuck and Life. Never watched Life, but Chuck, meh. C'mon!

I heard Journeyman's demise is imminent, but they were waiting until after this week's ratings.

what's life? i really like chuck, tho'

[King Imp]

what's life?

Life is a show that pulled in 6.10 million viewers for the week of November 12th while Journeyman pulled in 6.09 million. Life is being kept on the air while Journeyman is being cancelled.

No, the Nielsen system works perfectly well. :dry:

[sailor]

Life is a show that pulled in 6.10 million viewers for the week of November 12th while Journeyman pulled in 6.09 million. Life is being kept on the air while Journeyman is being canceled.

No, the Nielsen system works perfectly well. :dry:

wouldn't that be a fault of the network, not the ratings system?

[Chris from TX]

Yep, if they are overly reliant on Nielson Ratings, while not considering online/iTunes/dvr viewers. Maybe the big advertisers only look at the Nielsens(?), if so you can't blame the fat cats for dumping lower rated shows.

I dunno, pure speculation.

[Furtherman]

Also, it looks like theyre setting that fbi guy up to be like a Jack McGee or Lt Gerard.

You called it Chris and I thought of your theory once he said "Money always trips them up."

Yes! There is someone onto the time travelers.

No! He gets SHOT!?!? (Can that guy do a TV show where he isn't shot?)

Although it was never established that he was killed.

Now, although reports of the shows demise have been exaggerated thus far, let's just hope that NBC keeps this show going. They've got a great Monday night lineup and it would be a shame to break it up.

[King Imp]

wouldn't that be a fault of the network, not the ratings system?

Yes, but they go by what the ratings tell them and I cannot understand how they can justify keeping one and dropping the other over a 0.01 million difference.

[ChrisTheCop]

First, LIFE is a great show that also has a great mystery arc.
Second, I LOVE Chuck too!!! (more on that in the Chuck thread).

Third, since this is the Journeyman thread, I will not yet cry for Journeyman! If the above quotes are correct (6.9 mill), thats still pretty damn good, and all they have to do is watch 2 eps and the big wigs will also be hooked!

About the episode, man was I pissed when the fbi agent walked in the house... I said goodbye to him right there. But there will be more of his type to follow...apparently connected to that (quartz) professor in some way. And now that Jack is on board, Dan will have more research tools at his disposal... in the real world of course that would mean two out of work brothers.. but in hollywood, there's a reason they brought jack in... because the mysteries are about to get more complicated.

I also liked Liv's explanation of what she felt her job was being in Dan's life.

Great show...nbc, cancel deal or no deal before you cancel any of these three!!!!

[Furtherman]

About the episode, man was I pissed when the fbi agent walked in the house... I said goodbye to him right there.

Well, like I said, it wasn't established that he was killed. I think if he survives, that event will give him the motivation to persue his suspisions full time, maybe even leaving the FBI as such.

[ChrisTheCop]

Good point. I was kinda waiting for him to jump up and shoot the guy, just as Dan convinced him to surrender. Anything can happen on this show.

Furtherman... i pronounce your name Further Man. Just as I pronounce it Journey Man.
But at the beginning of each show, Dan says, "previously on Journeymun" like he's jewish...

comment?

[Kevin]

Good point. I was kinda waiting for him to jump up and shoot the guy, just as Dan convinced him to surrender. Anything can happen on this show.

Furtherman... i pronounce your name Further Man. Just as I pronounce it Journey Man.
But at the beginning of each show, Dan says, "previously on Journeymun" like he's jewish...

comment?

I think thats his english accent showing up...

[ChrisTheCop]

I think thats his english accent showing up...

so he's not as good an actor as youd think.

someone should coach him on that one...its the first thing he says every show.
bothers me each time.

[LiddyRules]

Nothing much to add other than that I think this is the best show of the new season.

[sailor]

Good point. I was kinda waiting for him to jump up and shoot the guy, just as Dan convinced him to surrender. Anything can happen on this show.

Furtherman... i pronounce your name Further Man. Just as I pronounce it Journey Man.
But at the beginning of each show, Dan says, "previously on Journeymun" like he's jewish...

comment?

you should pronounce it just like a journeyman ball player.

i think there's no way the fbi guy survives based on where he was shot.

why do you think the two brothers would be out of work in real life?

i thought doogie was great in the role of aeden bennett.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm literally sipping a beer while reading, and nearly dropped it from the Doogie reference.
Very funny Sailor...why didnt I come up with that? Spot on.

Ok...anyway... the FBI agent was shot in the chest...but we see no blood.... and what do FBI agents wear on their chests??? The same thing Chuck wears at the BuyMore on black friday. Thats right...the ole bullet proof vest!

And as to why I think theyd both be out of work in real life... Dan hasnt turned in any stories since he became what he is, and if Jack follows suit, not arresting people, but spending his time helping his bro and/or using dept computers for non dept affairs....he'd be fired too.
I'm just sayin in real life...not on the show.

[Fallon]

I think thats his english accent showing up...

Scottish.

[ChrisTheCop]

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!
http://www.peeyourpantsforthebrewers.com/images/myers_scottish.jpg

[sailor]

ok, i thought i saw blood on his chest, but could be wrong. i guess that's what it comes down to, if we saw blood he's dead, no blood he's alive. like there was no pool of blood shown, but it looked to me like as soon as he was shot there was blood at the point of impact. too bad i deleted the show.

ok, dan i can see having trouble with his job. heck, it's been at least hinted at on the show. jack i don't see why he can't provide some peripheral help and still get his job done. run a few plates, get some info on a person/address...how much time would it really take for him?

[Doctor Manhattan]

I heard Ronnie mention this show a little while back so I checked it out.

I don't like the show. I Love it!

I'm only 4 shows in so I didn't read much of this thread.

The only think I don't like so far is the music they have been picking to make it clear what year he is in. They are picking songs that were really big and it's annoying as hell. They could be a bit more subtle with it.

[ChrisTheCop]

ok, i thought i saw blood on his chest, but could be wrong. i guess that's what it comes down to, if we saw blood he's dead, no blood he's alive. like there was no pool of blood shown, but it looked to me like as soon as he was shot there was blood at the point of impact. too bad i deleted the show.

ok, dan i can see having trouble with his job. heck, it's been at least hinted at on the show. jack i don't see why he can't provide some peripheral help and still get his job done. run a few plates, get some info on a person/address...how much time would it really take for him?

Again, Im talking real life... if I were caught running ONE plate for you, I would be in serious trouble, if not automatically suspended. Or if I run someone's name and they come up wanted for murder... and I dont arrest them... my superiors would wanna know why I ran that name.
I just said it as a toss out joke, I realize Hollywood jobs are more secure than real life jobs. :wink:

and yeah, I dont know if i saw blood or not, i also deleted from tivo immediately. But they didnt make a big deal about him being dead in the house at the end. Heck, the FBI wasnt even there investigating his death. Just the local PD...

[ChrisTheCop]

Dont panic people!!! (like i did right after watching "Life" just now)...

Journey man will be back in 2 weeks. Life is just doing a a little 2 parter on Monday and Wednesday and needed to borrow some airtime.

phew.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wine doesnt travel well thru time.

Livia mentioned that citrus explodes. So maybe food in general is affected by "traveling"

I know this is a very delayed reply. I just watched all 10 episodes in the past couple days

[Chris from TX]

There was some rumors saying NBC might not air all of the complete episodes. Luckily this is not the case.

AICN EXCLUSIVE!! NBC To Air The Last Completed JOURNEYMAN Episode After All!! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34919)

Things are looking up?

[Doctor Manhattan]

NBC has decided to air the 12th episode ("Perfidia") on Wednesday, December 19th at ten o'clock. That means our 10th episode will air on Monday the 10th ("Home by Another Way"), the 11th will air on 17th ("The Hanged Man").

I thought that "Blowback" was the 10th episode and that "Perfidia" would be the 13th episode. I've just watched 10 "hours" of the show and everywhere I look for info about the show lists the 10 episodes I've seen with 3 unaired ones to come (mentioned in the quote above)

1 "A Love of a Lifetime" September 24
2 "Friendly Skies" October 1
3 "Game Three" October 8
4 "The Year of the Rabbit" October 15
5 "The Legend of Dylan McCleen" October 22
6 "Keepers" October 29
7 "Double Down" November 5
8 "Winterland" November 12
9 "Emily" November 19 (Part 1 of 2)
10 "Blowback" November 26 (Part 2 of 2)

I think I have OCD regarding this show and I want to make sure I didn't miss something.

I really hope they don't cancel this show. Chuck isn't that bad but this show is better. Perhaps they can put this in Bionic Woman's place. That show stinks

[Chris from TX]

'Blowback' was the 10th episode, aka episode 109. The pilot was designated 100, not 101, and 'Perfidia' is 112, although in actuality it is the 13th episode. You didn't miss anything.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Thank you. Now I feel better.

That is weird, I've never seen a show have a normal episode of any other show have a production number like 100,200 etc.

I also don't know why they stick with 13 as the initial order for a series (They even did that with 24 the first year, so it it didn't take off they would have just ended after 13 hours of that day) I thought that were superstitious in Hollywood, why not order 12 or 14?

[TooLowBrow]

i just realized than if he is literally a 'journeyman'
then maybe the ex-girl is the 'expert'
season 2, they should be teaching an 'apprentice'

[Fallon]

i just realized than if he is literally a 'journeyman'
then maybe the ex-girl is the 'expert'
season 2, they should be teaching an 'apprentice'

Season 2?

[PapaBear]

i just realized than if he is literally a 'journeyman'
then maybe the ex-girl is the 'expert'
season 2, they should be teaching an 'apprentice'

That's a really good point.

Season 2?

What Fallon said.

[TooLowBrow]

Season 2?

journeyman 2 : journeymen:smoke:

[Chris from TX]

Save Journeyman! (http://savejourneyman.net/)

Links to what you can do to save your show.

[TooLowBrow]

one thing i've noticed, am i wrong? lydia's journeying seems to be linear, but dan's is erratic.
has this been mentioned?

[sailor]

one thing i've noticed, am i wrong? lydia's journeying seems to be linear, but dan's is erratic.
has this been mentioned?

linear? in what respect?

[TooLowBrow]

linear? in what respect?

like she knows hes done the 80's, 70's, 90's ... in the episode order


proof... latest episode... she says, 'last time i saw you you had a hole in your shoulder and ...'


if she was meeting with him as randomly as he travels she would have to ask him where he was in HIS timeline so she could temporally place him

[Chris from TX]

The only difference I can see is Livia jumps from the past. She accompanies Dan on his missions, so her jumps are just as "erratic" as his. She jumps just as unexpectedly as Dan, as seen when she ends up at the paper or is pulled away when she is celebrating Christmas.

[sailor]

The only difference I can see is Livia jumps from the past. She accompanies Dan on his missions, so her jumps are just as "erratic" as his. She jumps just as unexpectedly as Dan, as seen when she ends up at the paper or is pulled away when she is celebrating Christmas.

exactly.

[TooLowBrow]

exactly.

yeah but if he goes to 1979 she will meet him
then if he goes to 1984 shes there and they talk about '79
next he's in 1980 and she will bring up the '84 trip

otherwise shed be in 80 with him and say, i havent seen you in '84... yet

thats why her tripping is future oriented, yet still linear

[Chris from TX]

like she knows hes done the 80's, 70's, 90's ... in the episode order


proof... latest episode... she says, 'last time i saw you you had a hole in your shoulder and ...'


if she was meeting with him as randomly as he travels she would have to ask him where he was in HIS timeline so she could temporally place him

I think both share the same timeline when in Journeymanland. And perhaps, their individual real-time lives (in 2007 and 1948, respectively) are set up to run concurrently with the other, so they encounter each other in a journey time with less time confusion.

[TooLowBrow]

I think both share the same timeline when in Journeymanland. And perhaps, their individual real-time lives (in 2007 and 1948, respectively) are set up to run concurrently with the other, so they encounter each other in a journey time with less time confusion.

but that just proves the whole, someone is behind the whole thing, thing

[Chris from TX]

but that just proves the whole, someone is behind the whole thing, thing

Maybe it's Jacob

[TooLowBrow]

Maybe it's Jacob

dont talk stupid

[Chris from TX]

Ok, OK.

Someone is behind the whole thing. I dunno who, as long as it isn't that quartz guy. Could be anyone. I personally think they are angels.:innocent:

Aaaand, today was the deadline for NBC to renew the show. They let it expire. Already established was its probable demise, this makes it a certainty.

[Doctor Manhattan]

dont talk stupid

Jacob loves you!

[RAAMONE]

isnt this show basically just a ripoff of quantum leap?

[spadanko]

Journeyman done

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Times-Journeyman/800029221


Kevin McKidd's timetravels appear to be over. NBC had until Tuesday to award a full-season pickup to Journeyman — as it has done with freshman series Chuck and Life — but... didn't, says the Reporter, and thus has essentially dismissed the drama.

Small consolation to Journeyfans: the show was able to complete its original 13-episode order before the WGA struck, and the remaining two will air as scheduled, an NBCer assures the trade.

[Fallon]

isnt this show basically just a ripoff of quantum leap?

No, on Quantum Leap the dude turned into other people. Journeyman stays the same where ever he goes.

[Furtherman]

Journeyman done

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Times-Journeyman/800029221


Kevin McKidd's timetravels appear to be over. NBC had until Tuesday to award a full-season pickup to Journeyman — as it has done with freshman series Chuck and Life — but... didn't, says the Reporter, and thus has essentially dismissed the drama.

Small consolation to Journeyfans: the show was able to complete its original 13-episode order before the WGA struck, and the remaining two will air as scheduled, an NBCer assures the trade.

Terrible news. NBC is going to have another "Freaks And Geeks" and "Arrested Development" on their hands. Fools.

[nate1000]

Excellent!!!!

This brings us one step closer to the ultimate TV experience: every channel tuned to a camera pointed at your fucking head so you can spend hours at a time watching your fucking hairline recede. :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash:

We are a nation of chaw spittin' idiots.Yeah, I'm looking at you, Bama. (not really- more your neighbors.)

Can't wait to see the new, hippest, hottest reality show they put in Journeyman's slot.

Every day I feel a little more like Alex DeLarge strapped to a chair, my droogies. :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[zentraed]

Terrible news. NBC is going to have another "Freaks And Geeks" and "Arrested Development" on their hands. Fools.

To Fox's credit, they did let AD run for 2.5 seasons. And recently, NBC gave The Office and 30 Rock time to build an audience.

I just watched Journeyman last week on the internet. I don't even pay attention to new network shows anymore until they get good word of mouth. I'd have probably stuck with this one for a while.

[PD]

This show teases me with its quality.

damn good ep.

I think everyone needs to send Rice-a-roni into NBC offices.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/12/14/journeyman-fans-start-a-rice-a-roni-campaign/

and don't forget next new episode is WEDNESDAY

[CruelCircus]

Really good ep. I'm glad they really got into showing how badly things can get screwed up by "messing" witht the past.

Two things, though:
1) Since Dan didn't start traveling until well after his child's birth, how was he still able to remember Zach when the timeline changed? Wouldn't he have gone into the past from a reality in which he had a daughter, Caroline? If Zach was never born, traveling Dan shouldn't remember him. (Yes, I do realize that there would be no dramatic effect in that. (Although, how over-the-top bizarre would it have been for the writers to change the reality, have Dan be none the wiser, and ask the audience to move on now with Caroline instead of Zach as the child!))

2) Is it weird that I'm completely willing to accept the premise and plot of this show, but the inclusion of a psychic is something I have a real problem with?

[zentraed]

Really good ep. I'm glad they really got into showing how badly things can get screwed up by "messing" witht the past.

Two things, though:

2) Is it weird that I'm completely willing to accept the premise and plot of this show, but the inclusion of a psychic is something I have a real problem with?

I hope not, 'cuz I'm the same way. Although there appears to be some higher power guiding his jumps, it's still "just" time travel (sci-fi). But, then they threw in a "real" psychic (fantasy element). It's like in the third Matrix when suddenly Neo was interacting with machines outside of the Matrix. I hated it.

This episode was great though. I'm really going to miss this series. Hopefully we'll find out more about the physicist Wednesday night.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Two things, though:
1) Since Dan didn't start traveling until well after his child's birth, how was he still able to remember Zach when the timeline changed?

2) Is it weird that I'm completely willing to accept the premise and plot of this show, but the inclusion of a psychic is something I have a real problem with?

1) Dan is not affected by the changes that he makes. There are different schools of thought when it comes to time travel movies, but usually in movies/TV the person/people who are traveling through time are not affected so that they will be able to tell when changes are made. In Journeyman he is able to bring objects with him which are also not affected (Like his picture of Zach: Unlike Back to the Future, the picture was not affected)

2) Looked like they knew the series was ending and they need to explain it quickly.

[margin]

Really good ep. I'm glad they really got into showing how badly things can get screwed up by "messing" witht the past.

Two things, though:
1) Since Dan didn't start traveling until well after his child's birth, how was he still able to remember Zach when the timeline changed? Wouldn't he have gone into the past from a reality in which he had a daughter, Caroline? If Zach was never born, traveling Dan shouldn't remember him. (Yes, I do realize that there would be no dramatic effect in that. (Although, how over-the-top bizarre would it have been for the writers to change the reality, have Dan be none the wiser, and ask the audience to move on now with Caroline instead of Zach as the child!))

2) Is it weird that I'm completely willing to accept the premise and plot of this show, but the inclusion of a psychic is something I have a real problem with?

I posted about this earlier. It seems like after he changed the past, he shouldn't remember how it was before he had changed it. He wouldn't have any reason to travel back in time, because he would have nothing to change, because it was already changed.

Like Doctor Manhattan said, Dan isn't affected when he changes the past. I'll never understand why though, it seems like a flaw in the whole genre of timetravelling shows and movies.

The whole psychic part of the episode pissed me off. There was no reason for it.

[zentraed]

The whole psychic part of the episode pissed me off. There was no reason for it.

I usually blame stuff like this on trying to appeal to women.

[K.C.]

I posted about this earlier. It seems like after he changed the past, he shouldn't remember how it was before he had changed it. He wouldn't have any reason to travel back in time, because he would have nothing to change, because it was already changed.

Like Doctor Manhattan said, Dan isn't affected when he changes the past. I'll never understand why though, it seems like a flaw in the whole genre of time travelling shows and movies.


Dan and Livia were born outside of the space and time as part of some experiment.

They were jumped to certain time-periods as children (Dan the late 60s, Livia the early 30s), and raised there until they matured and developed their ability.

They were created to study the ripple effect throughout time.

Since they were born outside of time, they don't lose their memories of the changes they caused.

At least that's my guess.

It was probably part of some experiment by this Professor who seems to be the father of time-travel. My guess is that Dan's father is in on it somehow too, given the picture.

[underdog]

I usually blame stuff like this on trying to appeal to women.

I think that's why we get so much of the wife trying to "deal" with her husband traveling, too.

We get it. He's not going to be home for dinner and you're upset. Enough.

[ChrisTheCop]

Dan and Livia were born outside of the space and time as part of some experiment.

They were jumped to certain time-periods as children (Dan the late 60s, Livia the early 30s), and raised there until they matured and developed their ability.

They were created to study the ripple effect throughout time.

Since they were born outside of time, they don't lose their memories of the changes they caused.

At least that's my guess.

It was probably part of some experiment by this Professor who seems to be the father of time-travel. My guess is that Dan's father is in on it somehow too, given the picture.

Nice explanation actually.

But until tonight's revelation on the show, I wouldve just assumed that:
Dan has a son when he travels back. (he leaves his son)
Dan does something that makes the son disappear. (he thinks he has a son)
Dan return travels to the present, to FIND OUT he has no son.

What I mean is, he is the same person, he's not travelling on a boat, he's travelling thru time, his knowledge has no time to "update".

I dunno if I'm explaining it right, but it makes perfect sense to me that he would have the same memory when he returns as when he left.

Again, however, thanks to the writers, k.c.'s explanation is probably the best for this show.

[K.C.]

Nice explanation actually.

But until tonight's revelation on the show, I wouldve just assumed that:
Dan has a son when he travels back. (he leaves his son)
Dan does something that makes the son disappear. (he thinks he has a son)
Dan return travels to the present, to FIND OUT he has no son.

What I mean is, he is the same person, he's not travelling on a boat, he's travelling thru time, his knowledge has no time to "update".

I dunno if I'm explaining it right, but it makes perfect sense to me that he would have the same memory when he returns as when he left.

Again, however, thanks to the writers, k.c.'s explanation is probably the best for this show.

I agree that it's completely logical that Dan has the memories of his son even though he changed his son's existence.

But there's a whole host of issues that are created, in accepting that premise, that need to be addressed.

1) For it to even be possible for Dan to have memories of his son, it means that Dan created an alternate timeline (or parallel universe) from his action. Time split from the point he lost the camera, with the old reality in which his son exists, and the new reality in which his daughter exists.

Seems simple enough, but the problem there is that if there's two realities, there should be two Dans. So where the hell was the other Dan in his daughter's reality??

2) If Dan created an alternate reality when he changed his son's existence, doesn't that mean that everything he does when he goes back in time creates alternate realities? Wouldn't that mean there's a reality in which Jacob Gaines lives, and a reality in which Jacob Gaines is dead...and so forth down the line with each episode. That means there could literally be hundreds of realities Dan is creating over time.

Again, the problem is that, unless there was an unforeseen tragedy, there should be another Dan in each new reality.


So it leads me to believe that they're going to explain that Dan is 'special' in some way and for some reason or another, time doesn't work the same way for him that it does for normal people.

[Doctor Manhattan]

What I mean is, he is the same person, he's not travelling on a boat, he's travelling thru time, his knowledge has no time to "update".

His brain is not affected because he is not living out the changed timeline. Dan's wife in the changed 2007 San Francisco had a girl instead of a boy and lived during the time that technology was advancing further than it had in the 2007 SF that Dan lived through with his son. His brain doesn't go through that change which happens in the instant during the flash that we see when he travels.

[silera]

So it leads me to believe that they're going to explain that Dan is 'special' in some way and for some reason or another, time doesn't work the same way for him that it does for normal people.

He travels through time! I would say he's special and time doesn't work for him the way it does for normal people.

[K.C.]

His brain is not affected because he is not living out the changed timeline. Dan's wife in the changed 2007 San Francisco had a girl instead of a boy and lived during the time that technology was advancing further than it had in the 2007 SF that Dan lived through with his son. His brain doesn't go through that change which happens in the instant during the flash that we see when he travels.

But he logically should go through the change, unless he's unless time is split from the moment he changes something, and he's jumping back into the alternate timeline, or for whatever reason, he exists outside of the rules of time as a result of whatever is causing him to have his ability to journey.

There's also the possibility that it's a Desmond from Lost type situation where he's living out flashes of what would happen if he doesn't fix what he's suppose to.

The problem with that is that he's seeemingly permanently altered time several times already, so it suggest that the future he alters is real.

[K.C.]

He travels through time! I would say he's special and time doesn't work for him the way it does for normal people.

There's a difference between being able to manipulate time and move through it, and existing outside of the rules of time, though. Logically speaking, if a normal person travelled through time and changed something, it should reconfigure their memories when the arrive back in their present and they should have no knowledge of what they did.

So what's happened would make him 'special' even for someone who travels through time which is already 'special'.

If that is the route they go with explaining it, it's a tough explaination to make and have everything kind of make sense.

Then again, doing anything related to time travel is tough to do with out causing some contradictions.


Either way, phenominal show.

[TooLowBrow]

is there a new jouneyman on tonight?

[zentraed]

is there a new jouneyman on tonight?

Last episode tonight, 10p EST

[Doctor Manhattan]

But he logically should go through the change, unless he's unless time is split from the moment he changes something, and he's jumping back into the alternate timeline, or for whatever reason, he exists outside of the rules of time as a result of whatever is causing him to have his ability to journey.

As soon as he jumps out of his time (2007) into the past he has seperated from it and is not affected by the changes he makes since he is no longer there to be affected by those changes. The people he leaves behind are affected by the changes in the timeline because they are there to be affected.

In the past he makes changes and when he jumps back to 2007 he sees the changes but is still not affected because he wasn't there until his jump back. He begins to be affected once there (like being told he didn't have a son but did have a daughter, he didn't know that until his jump back, but his finding out is something that affects him: a much smaller effect then to his wife who gave birth to his daughter. If he didn't change things back then he would be further affected as his remained in the altered timeline)

I'm leaving out the fact that Dan Vassar is there in the altered timeline as well. I am still trying to work on that. Some version of Dan did have a daughter in the altered timeline so he would not be made aware of the change, but where is he and does he travel too?

The problem with that is that he's seeemingly permanently altered time several times already, so it suggest that the future he alters is real.

I would think that just the simple act of being in the past (due to time travel) would make changes that he may not be aware of and would not be able to change back, but that's just my theory.

[King Imp]

I hate these network web sites. Every time I go to watch a show I've missed, the fucking thing doesn't work. This latest episode refuses to come up and I had to settle for that lame 2 minute recap video.

[PapaBear]

I want more. DAMMIT.

[Furtherman]

Anyone else scream "Fuck you NBC" after last night's show? And such a good show at that, with so much more potential. Dammit this pisses me off. NBC embargo on.

[Chris from TX]

Anyone else scream "Fuck you NBC" after last night's show? And such a good show at that, with so much more potential. Dammit this pisses me off. NBC embargo on.

Yes. Fuck them and their huge advertisements over shows they quit supporting a long time ago.

Yay! More choirs fighting for ultimate choir dominance!

Great episode. More, please. I don't want to start sending NBC Rice-a-Roni.

[TooLowBrow]

in Evan's notebook i noticed he had written 'take care of THE FOE'.
anyone else see this or anything else that would give the writers some pathway in case they got a season 2?[/SPOILER]

[boonanas]

Good show. They should go ahead and explain that Deja Vu is caused by a change in the time line by a traveler if there is a next season. It seemed that way with the wife recognizing the salsa song.

[ChrisTheCop]

Anyone else scream "Fuck you NBC" after last night's show? And such a good show at that, with so much more potential. Dammit this pisses me off. NBC embargo on.

Yes. Fuck them and their huge advertisements over shows they quit supporting a long time ago.

Yay! More choirs fighting for ultimate choir dominance!

Great episode. More, please. I don't want to start sending NBC Rice-a-Roni.

2 things. One made me sad, the other pissed.

1st) Dan tells Livia he has a feeling its gonna be awhile til they see eachother. She agrees.
The writers knew...so sad.
2nd) Following the ending... "In 2 weeks, Medium is back with all new shows!"
Medium? MEDIUM? Yeah why have an intelligent, ORIGINAL show like "journeymun" when you can have a ghostwhisperer ripoff show with an uglier chick that no one i know wants. THAT was a slap in the face by nbc... i really felt them saying "send all the riceroni ya want...we're gonna keep giving you crap"

[PapaBear]

2nd) Following the ending... "In 2 weeks, Medium is back with all new shows!"
Medium? MEDIUM? Yeah why have an intelligent, ORIGINAL show like "journeymun" when you can have a ghostwhisperer ripoff show with an uglier chick that no one i know wants. THAT was a slap in the face by nbc... i really felt them saying "send all the riceroni ya want...we're gonna keep giving you crap"

Is that what they really said? Medium is a cable show. Ghost Whisperer is an NBC show (and ripped of Medium). In any case... Journeyman would have been a HUGE hit, if it had been on cable. Maybe it will go there. I hope so.

[ChrisTheCop]

Is that what they really said? Medium is a cable show. Ghost Whisperer is an NBC show (and ripped of Medium). In any case... Journeyman would have been a HUGE hit, if it had been on cable. Maybe it will go there. I hope so.

damn u for making me look....but for the 1st time since ive known you...youre....WRONG!

Medium is nbc. Ghost whisperer is cbs.



But I agree that Sci Fi Network should pick up Journeyman. ANY NETWORK SHOULD!!!

[PapaBear]

damn u for making me look....but for the 1st time since ive known you...youre....WRONG!

Medium is nbc. Ghost whisperer is cbs.



But I agree that Sci Fi Network should pick up Journeyman. ANY NETWORK SHOULD!!!

I think you're still wrong. Medium isn't NBC. It's one of the NBC cable networks. They may be putting it on the NBC broadcast channels, though... because of the strike. It's always been USA/TNT, or whatever. I get them all confused. I don't watch it, but I always see the ads, and my parents love it. And... it came before Ghost Whisperer.

[PapaBear]

This is fucked up. I'm checking the web, too. It looks like it IS a network show. I was so sure it was an NBC owned cable show. I'm all confluzzled now.

[ChrisTheCop]

This is fucked up. I'm checking the web, too. It looks like it IS a network show. I was so sure it was an NBC owned cable show. I'm all confluzzled now.

well, I used to think you were black.

we're even.

[PapaBear]

well, I used to think you were black.

we're even.
PROFILER!!! Sure... it was a felony. And it was coke. But it was POWDER!!!!:unsure:

[boonanas]

Instead of bringing Monk/Psych to NBC for the writer's strike, they should bring Burn Notice. What a great show.

[sailor]

i don't get how people are confused by dan remembering the changed past. doc brown also explains the different timelines in one of the BttF movies (he uses the chalkboard to illustrate if you're looking). his mind/body does not change, it just moves around (albeit thru time). think of space/time like a river, flowing forward. he is picked up out of the stream and placed further back, after a while he is picked up and moved forward to where he started. even though the water flowing past him at that spot up is now different, he remembers the water that was there before he was moved in the first place. it's a very simplistic explanation, and may not work for some, but there ya go.

[Furtherman]

There is a poll on the people choice awards website about Journeyman.

When the writer's strike ends, should they give Journeyman another try but with better advertising? (http://www.pcavote.com/pca/singlepoll.jsp?pollId=5000029)

[OGC]

Probably won't do any good but I voted.

[ChrisTheCop]

Dont really understand the better advertising angle, but I voted YES!!!

Just bring back Journeyman!

[EliSnow]

i don't get how people are confused by dan remembering the changed past. doc brown also explains the different timelines in one of the BttF movies (he uses the chalkboard to illustrate if you're looking). his mind/body does not change, it just moves around (albeit thru time). think of space/time like a river, flowing forward. he is picked up out of the stream and placed further back, after a while he is picked up and moved forward to where he started. even though the water flowing past him at that spot up is now different, he remembers the water that was there before he was moved in the first place. it's a very simplistic explanation, and may not work for some, but there ya go.

Sorry, but Back to the Future 2's time theories are bullshit.

[indymike]

Wanted to try someting...

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OHHH - it works

[indymike]

EP #2

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[led37zep]

Oh Journeyman...why did you have to leave us so soon?!?!?!?!?!?!!?


Thanks Indy mike!

[indymike]

NBC had the episodes for a while but they are off their site - but hulu has all 13 now - kinda cool that you can embed them too.

[K.C.]

It's been common knowledge for a while that the show was done, but the show was officially axed a couple days ago.

NBC Renewals (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23925190/)

Damn shame. One of the best new shows in a long time, and Kevin McKidd's turning into one of my favorite actors. Between this and Rome, the guy owns. It'd be awesome to see him land Thor, as rumored.

Anyone who's never checked out the show, watch the pilot...one of the best pilots to come down the pike in a while.

[CruelCircus]

"“Kings,” described as an “exploration of the timeless David vs. Goliath struggle” and starring Ian McShane (“Deadwood”)."

I hope they find a role for Mr. Woo!

"Swearingen!!"

[PapaBear]

I keep getting disappointed when this thread pops up. I click on it, and I look for "Journeyman is back!". Oh, well.:glurps:

[led37zep]

I keep getting disappointed when this thread pops up. I click on it, and I look for "Journeyman is back!". Oh, well.:glurps:


I know buddy...me too.

Wanna hug?
http://img265.echo.cx/img265/3882/hug6405dd.jpg

[Crippler]

I keep getting disappointed when this thread pops up. I click on it, and I look for "Journeyman is back!". Oh, well.:glurps:

Very true...it gets me every time.

[EliSnow]

Journeyman's creator reveals some of what could have been (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37863)if NBC had any taste.

[King Imp]

Everytime I see this thread show back up, I hope that someone somewhere decided to put this show back on the air. :sad:

Man, this show was really gonna get good according to that interview. Plus, I miss seeing Moon Bloodgood. :wub:

[ChrisTheCop]

Someone in this thread had mentioned that Journeyman either reminded them of, or that the show was based on, the book "The Time Traveler's Wife".

Well, now that book has been made into a movie.
I'm guessing (hoping) that if you dug the premise of Journeyman, youll dig this too.
More of a romance I suppose, but thought youd like to know.

It opens August 14, and stars Rachel McAdams.

[King Imp]

Someone in this thread had mentioned that Journeyman either reminded them of, or that the show was based on, the book "The Time Traveler's Wife".

Well, now that book has been made into a movie.
I'm guessing (hoping) that if you dug the premise of Journeyman, youll dig this too.
More of a romance I suppose, but thought youd like to know.

It opens August 14, and stars Rachel McAdams.

Yeah, I saw the trailer for this a couple of weeks ago.
Definitely a Sci-Fi Chick Flick.

Probably watch it once it comes on TV, but no way is this worth theater prices.