Student Tasered After Asking John Kerry Questions

[underdog]

John Kerry was so brave to ignore this while it was going on and to keep talking.

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[Jujubees2]

Since it was a John Kerry speech, I thought they were tasering someone to wake him up.

[Earlshog]

I'd like to see what happened leading up to that question. Its kinda hard to make an informed judgment without all the facts.

[Earlshog]

[QUOTE=underdog;1462283]John Kerry was so brave to ignore this while it was going on and to keep talking.

Unlike the man sitting in the Whitehouse he fought for our country

[Furtherman]

I've seen a few angles of the footage. The kid was an asshole and deserved to get tasered.

Sorry, but if you resist and try and get away from the cops, which this kid did, you get tasered.

[DolaMight]

He should have been tazered the second he spoke just for his annoying conspiracy guy voice. And Kerry might have answered his question if he hadn't come to the mic with a confrontational and standoffish tone. This wouldn't have happened if he knew the difference between escorted out and arrested. And help help help couldn't have been more demasculating. I wish he got pepper sprayed as well.

PS - I love the defacto frantic screaming girl. You can never have a situation where one doesn't pop up.

[Tall_James]

"DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!!!"

Oh, that was rich. I could watch that all day.

[underdog]

I've seen a few angles of the footage. The kid was an asshole and deserved to get tasered.

Sorry, but if you resist and try and get away from the cops, which this kid did, you get tasered.

See, I love seeing dumb college kids get tased, but the cops had no reason here. There were like 6 of them, and all the kid was doing was asking why he was being arrested and being a little prick.

[underdog]

He should have been tazered the second he spoke just for his annoying conspiracy guy voice. And Kerry might have answered his question if he hadn't come to the mic with a confrontational and standoffish tone. This wouldn't have happened if he knew the difference between escorted out and arrested. And help help help couldn't have been more demasculating. I wish he got pepper sprayed as well.

PS - I love the defacto frantic screaming girl. You can never have a situation where one doesn't pop up.

Kerry said he wanted to answer the question, but the cops didn't care and then Kerry didn't care.

I loved at the end you hear someone scream "Police brutality!"

[Earlshog]

"DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!!!"

Oh, that was rich. I could watch that all day.


I like when he yelled Help

[Furtherman]

See, I love seeing dumb college kids get tased, but the cops had no reason here. There were like 6 of them, and all the kid was doing was asking why he was being arrested and being a little prick.

You haven't seen the footage of him resisting. Before he was on the ground he fought them off and actually got away a couple of steps before they grabbed him again. No cop would allow someone to do that twice. Plus he was being an ass. He's lucky they didn't use their nightsticks.

[foodcourtdruide]

I've seen a few angles of the footage. The kid was an asshole and deserved to get tasered.

Sorry, but if you resist and try and get away from the cops, which this kid did, you get tasered.

This is such bullshit. He was clearly restrained. There were 6 fucking cops around him and he was being held down you could see his hands behind his back. Was the kid an asshole? Maybe, but being an asshole shouldn't get you tasered.

[DolaMight]

This is such bullshit. He was clearly restrained. There were 6 fucking cops around him and he was being held down you could see his hands behind his back. Was the kid an asshole? Maybe, but being an asshole shouldn't get you tasered.

Is it bullshit? Those six cops weren't able get him up and out of there, that could have gone on for another half-hour. Time is money and he was wasting Kerry's and everyone else's. Besides that his first attempt to evade the police he was charging towards the stage. They had more than just cause.

[Furtherman]

This is such bullshit. He was clearly restrained. There were 6 fucking cops around him and he was being held down you could see his hands behind his back. Was the kid an asshole? Maybe, but being an asshole shouldn't get you tasered.

Sorry, but from the 2:00 mark to the 1:30 mark the kid resists and tries to throw the cops off him TWICE. They have him down and they have to assume when they pick him up he'll try again. Taser him, and he's less likely to do that, which is the cop's job to contain the situation as to not endanger others. The cops were in the right.

[foodcourtdruide]

Is it bullshit? Those six cops weren't able get him up and out of there, that could have gone on for another half-hour. Time is money and he was wasting Kerry's and everyone else's. Besides that his first attempt to evade the police he was charging towards the stage. They had more than just cause.

He was really not charging towards the stage. It doesn't bother you that the mentality of those police seemed to be "taze now, ask questions later"? Also, the tazing DID NOT COME WHILE HE WAS "charging" the stage. It came while he was down on the ground restrained by 6 police officers. There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

[Furtherman]

He was really not charging towards the stage. It doesn't bother you that the mentality of those police seemed to be "taze now, ask questions later"? Also, the tazing DID NOT COME WHILE HE WAS "charging" the stage. It came while he was down on the ground restrained by 6 police officers. There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

He shook them off TWICE. The tasing was so he would not shake them off a THIRD time. It's clearly the right thing to do. You resist, you get what you deserve. He deserved the taser. And please, all that "Help! Help!" bullshit didn't help him either.

[foodcourtdruide]

Sorry, but from the 2:00 mark to the 1:30 mark the kid resists and tries to throw the cops off him TWICE. They have him down and they have to assume when they pick him up he'll try again. Taser him, and he's less likely to do that, which is the cop's job to contain the situation as to not endanger others. The cops were in the right.

Completely 100% disagree.

You could make an issue that he should not have been removed from the stage, because all he was doing was asking questions (though obnoxiously). However, in the interest in keeping the discourse civil, I can see why the police removed him. After the approached him he did start jumping up and down and acting like a fool, for which he was properly thrown to the ground and RESTRAINED. The tasering came AFTER he was on the ground with his hands behind his back.

[Furtherman]

After the approached him he did start jumping up and down and acting like a fool, for which he was properly thrown to the ground and RESTRAINED.

Watch it again. After they approached him, she shook them off twice. Then he was restrained. The next course of action would be to pick him up and remove him from the room. Based on his action of shaking them off twice, they have to assume he will try and resist again. Tase him, and that doubt is removed, therefore making the removal of the subject safter for the public, and the police.

The cops are trained this way to deal with the public. It's the best way. It's the right way.

[Tall_James]

I would have like to see him pepper sprayed first.

[DolaMight]

He was really not charging towards the stage. It doesn't bother you that the mentality of those police seemed to be "taze now, ask questions later"? Also, the tazing DID NOT COME WHILE HE WAS "charging" the stage. It came while he was down on the ground restrained by 6 police officers. There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.

The exit was toward the back not towards the front, he was in a crazed hostile state when he did it, he set a precedent right there for tazing by demonstrating that he was a possible threat to Kerry.

He was as big as any cop there, resisting even after being warned of tazing. he never was fully restrained until he was tazed and started to cry. As a result everyone got what they wanted, the Q&A was able to continue, he got tazed and considers himself a victim/hero online. No difference.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm sorry, but the tasering was his punishment for being disobedient. The officers were CLEARLY in control of the situation when it happened. And to be honest, I'm fucking disgusted at you people that think it's funny. You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

Police: Act up and we will taser you.
Masses: This is a good thing because for some reason I don't like college students.

[underdog]

You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

See, I realize its wrong. But I think its fucking hilarious watching privileged college brats get tasered.

Hell, I think its hilarious no matter who get tased.

[Furtherman]

It seems to me you have a little bit of a bias against cops.

This has nothing to do with him being a college kid, or where and how he was speaking.

It has to do with the fact that the police's job was to remove him, he disobeyed, resisted TWICE and was tased so he did not resist again, which is dangerous.

You can't tase someone while their running, because that is dangerous as they could fall and hurt themselves and/or others. You tase them while they're stationary, to contain the situation.


We have some cops who post here, right? If I'm wrong here, let me know.

[JPMNICK]

for someone who was so smart and trying to press Kerry for the issue, how did he not know the difference between being arrested and being removed from a situation and detained. he just keeps screaming "why are you arresting me". he is a little pussy and thought he was going to be a funny tough guy and try to fuck with John Kerry and he had to pay the price. not for what he said, but for what he did. if when the officers came over, if he would have just walked out he would have been fine

[Earlshog]

I'm sorry, but the tasering was his punishment for being disobedient. The officers were CLEARLY in control of the situation when it happened. And to be honest, I'm fucking disgusted at you people that think it's funny. You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

Police: Act up and we will taser you.
Masses: This is a good thing because for some reason I don't like college students.



I don't think anyone is saying that. I think Furthermans point was ( and if I am not correct me) that if the kid did not resist he would not have been tazed

[Furtherman]

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think Furthermans point was ( and if I am not correct me) that if the kid did not resist he would not have been tazed

Exactly.

[mikeyboy]

Hell, I think its hilarious no matter who get tased.

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[DolaMight]

I'm sorry, but the tasering was his punishment for being disobedient. The officers were CLEARLY in control of the situation when it happened. And to be honest, I'm fucking disgusted at you people that think it's funny. You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

Police: Act up and we will taser you.
Masses: This is a good thing because for some reason I don't like college students.

You make a fool out of yourself, you get made fun of. I've been to many Q&A's just like that and there's always one conspiracy guy who thinks this is his big moment, and makes everyone else look bad. He's a dime-a-dozen instigator and the only thing funnier would be if his head got stomped in.

I'm fucking disgusted at people who can only see things as left or right and automatically label people for objectively judging facts for facts. Nobody here made any statements with a political bias.

[JPMNICK]

man fezzie drops like a ton of bricks on that, and listen to ronnie chuckle on the commentary is hysterical

[CruelCircus]

When did tasering become the equivalent of getting shot?

The reason police use tasers is b/c it's a relatively safe and temporary way of dealing with someone without having to resort to the use of guns.

Sure it hurts at the time, but you get over it. Can't say the same of a bullet hole.

[JPMNICK]

i would much rather take a taser in that situation than have 2 or 3 cops shove the elbows and knees into my back

[topless_mike]

the tazer (or taser, whatever it is) is simply, an attitude adjuster.

if i was the police, after the 2nd push away, i would have zapped him. i wouldnt not have even waited to take him to the ground.

im glad they zapped him. you can tell he went in there with the intention to disrupt, not be productive.

[underdog]

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What's up with the DVD commentary on that one? Is there a Ron & Ron DVD I know nothing about?

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think Furthermans point was ( and if I am not correct me) that if the kid did not resist he would not have been tazed

And my point is that he was not tazered to be restrained, but to be punished.

[JPMNICK]

and they knew there were camera's in there, so I am sure they waited as long as possible to do it just to avoid a situation like this one

[foodcourtdruide]

When did tasering become the equivalent of getting shot?

The reason police use tasers is b/c it's a relatively safe and temporary way of dealing with someone without having to resort to the use of guns.

Sure it hurts at the time, but you get over it. Can't say the same of a bullet hole.

Relatively safe means nothing, there are documented deaths from tazering.

[Tall_James]

See, I realize its wrong. But I think its fucking hilarious watching privileged college brats get tasered.

Hell, I think its hilarious no matter who get tased.

Ditto. This kid has probably never been told No in his entire life.

[Doctor Z]

Damn! Those Skull & Bones folks have more power than I thought!

[foodcourtdruide]

You make a fool out of yourself, you get made fun of. I've been to many Q&A's just like that and there's always one conspiracy guy who thinks this is his big moment, and makes everyone else look bad. He's a dime-a-dozen instigator and the only thing funnier would be if his head got stomped in.

I'm fucking disgusted at people who can only see things as left or right and automatically label people for objectively judging facts for facts. Nobody here made any statements with a political bias.

This isn't about left or right or politics. I'm referencing hate mongers that advocate taking a shit on our constitution. Tazering is not part of the Republican political agenda.

[Furtherman]

And my point is that he was not tazered to be restrained, but to be punished.

That is not the situation. He was being restrained and tased in order to stay restrained, which is the officers' job. You see cops punishing a guy, but it is he that is disobeying the police. We have police to protect us and in order for them to do their job correctly, we to must also follow rules. If a cop wants you to leave an area, you leave. And resistance will be met with the appropiate force. Yes, sometimes excessive force is used and yes there are some who abuse their power. But the majority adhere to proper rules and conduct and I doubt there is one police officer or investigative counsel that would view that tape and see the cops doing anything wrong. If anything, they would be docked points for letting him throw them off a second time.

[Earlshog]

And my point is that he was not tazered to be restrained, but to be punished.

so you think if he would have conformed for officers peacefully from the start and allowed them to escort him out without incident they still would have tazed him?

[CruelCircus]

Relatively safe means nothing, there are documented deaths from tazering.

Ok, now you're just being argumentative.
Relatively safe means everything in this case.
There are documented deaths for vending machines falling on people. Doesn't mean we stop using vending machines.

Again, would you rather then that they had just shot him?

[Chigworthy]

It's so sad when rich kids come to the crushing end of their privilege.

Anyway, foodcourt, you say that he was CLEARLY detained when they tased him. The only thing that is CLEAR is that the officers are trying to restrain the kid, and he has pulled his arm from their hold. If you pay attention, you can CLEARLY see the kid's hand on one of the theater seats at the very instant you hear the taser being deployed. I can only assume you don't know much about arresting someone who is resisting, but when they are struggling like this, more often than not an officer gets injured or the subject gets injured. A tase is a temporary thing, while injuries sustained in a fight can be permanent. This kid was tased to prevent him or the officers from getting injured.

[keithy_19]

I like how he yelled ow. And ow again, and again and again.

[torker]

Friggin hippie.

[mikeyboy]

What's up with the DVD commentary on that one? Is there a Ron & Ron DVD I know nothing about?

It's from the Ron & Ron VHS tape "Let the Puppies Breathe". There isn't any "DVD commentary". The tape's soundtrack has Ron Diaz and Ron Bennington commenting on the footage via voiceover through most of the tape. There are some other clips available on YouTube. I won't post them here, because I don't want to derail any further, but they are easy enough to find.

[LiddyRules]

I'm of the belief that if you say "bro" you should be tazed no matter what you're doing.

[DolaMight]

I'm of the belief that if you say "bro" you should be tazed no matter what you're doing.

Even Opie?

[Tall_James]

It's from the Ron & Ron VHS tape "Let the Puppies Breathe". There isn't any "DVD commentary". The tape's soundtrack has Ron Diaz and Ron Bennington commenting on the footage via voiceover through most of the tape. There are some other clips available on YouTube. I won't post them here, because I don't want to derail any further, but they are easy enough to find.

I would have known this but some prick outbid me for that tape at the last moment on eBay.

[mikeyboy]

I would have known this but some prick outbid me for that tape at the last moment on eBay.

Technically that was the other Ron & Ron tape "Pup Friction" :smile:

[MHasegawa]

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that video made this thread worth reading, you always come through in the clutch mikey, thanks.

[foodcourtdruide]

That is not the situation. He was being restrained and tased in order to stay restrained, which is the officers' job. You see cops punishing a guy, but it is he that is disobeying the police. We have police to protect us and in order for them to do their job correctly, we to must also follow rules. If a cop wants you to leave an area, you leave. And resistance will be met with the appropiate force. Yes, sometimes excessive force is used and yes there are some who abuse their power. But the majority adhere to proper rules and conduct and I doubt there is one police officer or investigative counsel that would view that tape and see the cops doing anything wrong. If anything, they would be docked points for letting him throw them off a second time.

Why couldn't he be handcuffed in order to keep being restrained? Why Tazer him?

[Furtherman]

Why couldn't he be handcuffed in order to keep being restrained? Why Tazer him?

He could be handcuffed, and not be tazed, but he resisted.

He resisted twice. The police have to assume he's not going to just let them put the handcuffs on. He can thrash, twist, bite, kick... any number of motions to prevent the cuffs going on. You taze him, you eliminate those factors and make a safer arrest.

[JPMNICK]

He could be handcuffed, and not be tazed, but he resisted.

He resisted twice. The police have to assume he's not going to just let them put the handcuffs on. He can thrash, twist, bite, kick... any number of motions to prevent the cuffs going on. You taze him, you eliminate those factors and make a safer arrest.

or reach in his pocket and get a knife

[foodcourtdruide]

It's so sad when rich kids come to the crushing end of their privilege.

Anyway, foodcourt, you say that he was CLEARLY detained when they tased him. The only thing that is CLEAR is that the officers are trying to restrain the kid, and he has pulled his arm from their hold. If you pay attention, you can CLEARLY see the kid's hand on one of the theater seats at the very instant you hear the taser being deployed. I can only assume you don't know much about arresting someone who is resisting, but when they are struggling like this, more often than not an officer gets injured or the subject gets injured. A tase is a temporary thing, while injuries sustained in a fight can be permanent. This kid was tased to prevent him or the officers from getting injured.

It may be the angle I'm looking at, but I don't see his hand on the chair. It looks to me like the officers have control of his hands.

Also, watching that do you honestly believe he was going to start throwing punches? He was on the ground with 6 officers above him. They were ON TOP of him.

[topless_mike]

Also, watching that do you honestly believe he was going to start throwing punches? He was on the ground with 6 officers above him. They were ON TOP of him.


in desperation, he may have.
have you never seen COPS before?

[foodcourtdruide]

He could be handcuffed, and not be tazed, but he resisted.

He resisted twice. The police have to assume he's not going to just let them put the handcuffs on. He can thrash, twist, bite, kick... any number of motions to prevent the cuffs going on. You taze him, you eliminate those factors and make a safer arrest.

Yes, tazing him eliminated that, but that doesn't make it right. If you have a belief that cops should be allowed to use tazers once a subject is restrained in order to prevent the possibilities of him/her thrashing, twisting, kicking or biting then we will never agree. At what point are they not allowed to use the tazer?

And please do not say "ughh you're anti-cop". I think there needs to be a definition of excessive force and in my mind a tazer should only be used in extreme situations, not to punish a rowdy kid. And people do die and get seriously injured from tazers.

[foodcourtdruide]

in desperation, he may have.
have you never seen COPS before?

Yes. I can never turn it off when it's on.

[foodcourtdruide]

or reach in his pocket and get a knife

If the reason is that they legitimately think some one has a weapon then I agree a tazer should be used. Do you think that was the case here?

[JPMNICK]

If the reason is that they legitimately think some one has a weapon then I agree a tazer should be used. Do you think that was the case here?

maybe, cops i know have said when people resist, you get suspicious about what they are hiding. usually drugs, but sometimes a weapon

[Furtherman]

It may be the angle I'm looking at, but I don't see his hand on the chair. It looks to me like the officers have control of his hands.

Also, watching that do you honestly believe he was going to start throwing punches? He was on the ground with 6 officers above him. They were ON TOP of him.

Next time you're in a fight, and if you get your opponent down on the ground, go ahead a think to yourself "I don't believe he's going to start and throw punches."

And there were six officers above him because he resisted the orders of one, then two, then three officers and it is the three that get him on the ground while the others make sure he stays there. This is what cops are trained to do!!

It's obvious that you have some kind of gripe against cops at this point. You're not looking at this impartially and logically.

If any kind of review is done on the cops behavior I guarantee they won't be reprimanded.

[DolaMight]

If the reason is that they legitimately think some one has a weapon then I agree a tazer should be used. Do you think that was the case here?

Yes he was crazy, completely irrational.

[DolaMight]

or reach in his pocket and get a knife

Or a poketnuke. Better safe then sorry.

[foodcourtdruide]

Next time you're in a fight, and if you get your opponent down on the ground, go ahead a think to yourself "I don't believe he's going to start and throw punches."

And there were six officers above him because he resisted the orders of one, then two, then three officers and it is the three that get him on the ground while the others make sure he stays there. This is what cops are trained to do!!

It's obvious that you have some kind of gripe against cops at this point. You're not looking at this impartially and logically.

If any kind of review is done on the cops behavior I guarantee they won't be reprimanded.

I have a gripe against excessive force. But if you feel that what goes against your point of view is impartial and illogical then the conversation's over. Thank you for figuring everything out for everyone.

[Furtherman]

He could be handcuffed, and not be tazed, but he resisted.

He resisted twice. The police have to assume he's not going to just let them put the handcuffs on. He can thrash, twist, bite, kick... any number of motions to prevent the cuffs going on. You taze him, you eliminate those factors and make a safer arrest.

Yes, tazing him eliminated that, but that doesn't make it right.

But therin lies the reason we have tazers, to elimate threats to the public AND the cops.

And please do not say "ughh you're anti-cop". I think there needs to be a definition of excessive force and in my mind a tazer should only be used in extreme situations, not to punish a rowdy kid. And people do die and get seriously injured from tazers.

Again, he wasn't being punished, he was being restrained. He'll be punished accordingly when he faces the judge.

[Furtherman]

If the reason is that they legitimately think some one has a weapon then I agree a tazer should be used. Do you think that was the case here?

You think a cop will stop and think, "Let's see, might he have a weapon?" No, they react as trained and that training saves lives. The person being restrained could be ANYBODY, and if they resist, they're going to get tazed. If that is the county's law, then that's the card you're gonna be delt.

[Furtherman]

I have a gripe against excessive force. But if you feel that what goes against your point of view is impartial and illogical then the conversation's over. Thank you for figuring everything out for everyone.

My point of view is looking at what happened. The kid resisted. I don't know what the police technical term is, and I wouldn't say it's extreme, but the kid resisted greatly. There was a situation that was getting out of control and it is the cop's JOB to contain any such situation. It was handled the way our laws state.

Is your gripe against excessive force because you got roughed up by a cop once? I did, and I deserved it. The cop told me to face a wall and I protested and put my hand up and he whacked my hand and pushed me against the wall and then to the gound. From that moment on I followed his instructions.

[SinA]

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people, let's not forget the important lesson in this. cops are dicks.

[foodcourtdruide]

My point of view is looking at what happened. The kid resisted. I don't know what the police technical term is, and I wouldn't say it's extreme, but the kid resisted greatly. There was a situation that was getting out of control and it is the cop's JOB to contain any such situation. It was handled the way our laws state.

Is your gripe against excessive force because you got roughed up by a cop once? I did, and I deserved it. The cop told me to face a wall and I protested and put my hand up and he whacked my hand and pushed me against the wall and then to the gound. From that moment on I followed his instructions.

Giving cops more grounds to use excessive force is just like restricting freedom of speech. On a case by case scenario you may be able to explain it away, but in the end freedom and rights are stripped from the individual. You say the kid "resisted greatly", but I don't see it that way. It looks to me like he was overpowered and running his mouth so the cops gave him a zap.

[jetdog]

Hmmmm....my opinion, solely based on the video posted, the guy was grandstanding, he should not have resisted, even if he was being unjustly removed from the sitiuation, but that was just stupid by the cops, a fucking taser? are you kidding me? put your fucking knee in his back, your arm around his throat and make him shut the fuck up, are the cops there at UF that fucking unable to restrain a little prick like that?
I would love to hear any cops comment on this? Was it really that necessary? Seems like they brought some uneccesarry trouble on themselves.


That being said, that was some funny shit! "Don't taze me Bro!" Suck it you little grandstanding, attention needing prick!

[Furtherman]

Giving cops more grounds to use excessive force is just like restricting freedom of speech. On a case by case scenario you may be able to explain it away, but in the end freedom and rights are stripped from the individual. You say the kid "resisted greatly", but I don't see it that way. It looks to me like he was overpowered and running his mouth so the cops gave him a zap.

Giving the cops more grounds to use excessive force would be allowing them to just walk up, taze him in the back, and then carry him away.

You don't see the kid resisting? You don't see him throwing the two cops off him TWICE?

Watch it again, at the 2 minute mark. He is taller than the two cops and they are struggling to keep a hold of him, and they can't.

At 1:36 a larger cop joins them and pushes him towards the back, all the while he is jumping up and down.

And then, at 1:31 HE MAKES ANOTHER BREAK FOR IT!

You think that's just a "rowdy" kid?

No excessive force here, just a routine situation handled correctly.

[foodcourtdruide]

Giving the cops more grounds to use excessive force would be allowing them to just walk up, taze him in the back, and then carry him away.

You don't see the kid resisting? You don't see him throwing the two cops off him TWICE?

Watch it again, at the 2 minute mark. He is taller than the two cops and they are struggling to keep a hold of him, and they can't.

At 1:36 a larger cop joins them and pushes him towards the back, all the while he is jumping up and down.

And then, at 1:31 HE MAKES ANOTHER BREAK FOR IT!

You think that's just a "rowdy" kid?

No excessive force here, just a routine situation handled correctly.

I think we're just going to disagree here. Though I do enjoy my post count going up.

[Furtherman]

And look at this asshole, he is so happy he got tazed. He's probably hoping to get on Larry King for this:

A university student with a history of taping his own practical jokes was Tasered by campus police and arrested after loudly and repeatedly trying to ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText)

Meyer has his own Web site and it contains several "comedy" videos that he appears in. In one, he stands in a street with a sign that says "Harry Dies" after the latest Harry Potter book was released. In another, he acts like a drunk while trying to pick up a woman in a bar.

"The police department does have a standard procedure for when they use force, including when they use a Taser," Orlando said. "That is what the internal investigation would address -- whether the proper procedures were followed, whether the officers acted appropriately."

The internal investigation will find that the officers acted appropriately.

This kid wasn't even serious and just wanted to get some attention. Not only did he deserve gettting tazed because he disobeyed police, but he also deserved it for being an asshole.

[underdog]

It's from the Ron & Ron VHS tape "Let the Puppies Breathe". There isn't any "DVD commentary". The tape's soundtrack has Ron Diaz and Ron Bennington commenting on the footage via voiceover through most of the tape. There are some other clips available on YouTube. I won't post them here, because I don't want to derail any further, but they are easy enough to find.

That's fucking awesome. I'm going to go find some of those clips. Thanks Mikeyboy!

And feel free to derail the thread. I posted it because I thought it was funny that some kid got tazed while John Kerry kept rambling on.

[FUNKMAN]

he cry like a sissy girl... probably shit his pants too

[Bob Impact]

And look at this asshole, he is so happy he got tazed. He's probably hoping to get on Larry King for this:

A university student with a history of taping his own practical jokes was Tasered by campus police and arrested after loudly and repeatedly trying to ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText)


The internal investigation will find that the officers acted appropriately.

This kid wasn't even serious and just wanted to get some attention. Not only did he deserve gettting tazed because he disobeyed police, but he also deserved it for being an asshole.

Of course it will. The police are the law in this country, whether or not you like that fact it means that when the speak, you listen. When they REPEAT their instructions clearly, and then TELL YOU you're about to be tazed, you absolutely fucking deserved it. Sorry.

DON'T TAZE ME BRO!! May be the funniest fuckin thing. ever.

[DolaMight]

In this angle you can see the cops can't even throw handcuffs on him, this would have taken an hour to get him out of there without a tazer. And barely 3 cops could fit on the narrow steps, so stop throwing the "6 cops had him restrained" out there.

Somebody should isolate this guy's "help" audio and compare it to dave's. He stole his gimmick.

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[badmonkey]

http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

[Bob Impact]

I now think the girl who screams police brutality is more annoying.

[dragon]

And there goes freedom of speech.....

[Thrice]

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[dragon]

I agree he was carrying on like a spoiled brat, but, can someone explain why he was tasered?
If you have 3 to 6 cops bringing him down, unless they are incompetent, they should have no problem controlling him, unless he was doing dust or x.
imho.

[Stankfoot]

I like the part where the college student says to Kerry "I think you're the fucking antichrist!"

[scottinnj]

John Kerry was so brave to ignore this while it was going on and to keep talking.

Unlike the man sitting in the Whitehouse he fought for our country

He did? I thought he joined the NAVY! What fighting? For the front row on movie night? Less starch in his skivvies? Oh, wait, color TVs in the rec areas-they were expensive back then.

[scottinnj]

Somebody should isolate this guy's "help" audio and compare it to dave's. He stole his gimmick.


No way even close to Dave. Dave screams like a six year old girl-that high pitch that makes your nose bleed and cracks windshield glass.

[scottinnj]

I would have like to see him pepper sprayed first.

Or hit with a good 'ol Billy Club. It's legal now, Kerry voted "yes" for the Patriot Act, didn't you read it?

Section 437, Paragraph g, subpoint 2007: "All college students who do not respectfully bow to U.S. elected Congressman/women prior to asking a pre-screened question during a speech allowed on campus by vote of 60% of the student body, shall automatically be tasered by said university police until student signs waiver giving up first amendment right until he/she is CEO of Exxon."

Clear as day to me-now that he is used to electricity running through his body, our only punishment option now is death by lethal injection.

[JerryTaker]

This is why you people disgust me. Anyone who goes/went to college is a spoiled rich brat who was never told "no" in his life? bitter much?

Whatever. Live with the society you've made. I hope some of you, one day find yourself wrongly accused of something, let's see how funny it is when it's not happening to somebody else.

I'm not saying anyone was wrongly accused in this particular case, but some of your attitudes really disgust me, and really make me understand why we're where we are as a society.

[underdog]

This is why you people disgust me. Anyone who goes/went to college is a spoiled rich brat who was never told "no" in his life? bitter much?

No, I live in Boston. I'm surrounded by BC, BU and Harvard kids. They are spoiled rich brats.

[scottinnj]

No, I live in Boston. I'm surrounded by BC, BU and Harvard kids. They are spoiled rich brats.

Got you beat. I live in Atlantic County NJ. Not only are the kids here spoiled rich brats, they are spoiled rich brats from FUCKING JERSEY!

[scottinnj]

This is why you people disgust me. Anyone who goes/went to college is a spoiled rich brat who was never told "no" in his life? bitter much?



What college did you go to?


You Forgot to enroll in Humor 101.

[underdog]

Got you beat. I live in Atlantic County NJ. Not only are the kids here spoiled rich brats, they are spoiled rich brats from FUCKING JERSEY!

Yeah, but I have the REALLY rich, spoiled brats from Jersey.

I fucking hate the kids that go to colleges here.

[JerryTaker]

What college did you go to?


You Forgot to enroll in Humor 101.

New Jersey institute of Technology in beautiful Newark, NJ.

Humor 101 was not an elective, I think you had to cross the street to Rutgers for that.

NJIT was basically for people who were inclined to go to Stevens in Hoboken, but didn't have any money. very dreary and soul crushing. lots of bomb scares though.

[ChrisTheCop]

Wow. When I watched this vid at the beginning of the thread, I thought "there is a classic situation where a taser is warranted. It will be used as a training video. These cops were way more than professional and courteous to this asshole." But then I read the comments (mostly by foodcourtdruid?), I am amazed.

No matter what cops do, we're wrong to some people.

I wont even try to explain, Furtherman, DolaMight and others have tried, and theyre hitting a wall with this guy.

Why even give us guns, night sticks and taser guns if every time we use them, we're wrong?

I found it interesting that Senator Kerry, a former protester himself, didnt stick up for this guy's right to say what he wanted to say... but since the powers that be wanted him removed, the cops did their job. Professionally and correctly. I give them an A.


Thanx for the recommendation DolaMight.

[FUNKMAN]

Wow. When I watched this vid at the beginning of the thread, I thought "there is a classic situation where a taser is warranted. It will be used as a training video. These cops were way more than professional and courteous to this asshole." But then I read the comments (mostly by foodcourtdruid?), I am amazed.

No matter what cops do, we're wrong to some people.

I wont even try to explain, Furtherman, DolaMight and others have tried, and theyre hitting a wall with this guy.

Why even give us guns, night sticks and taser guns if every time we use them, we're wrong?

I found it interesting that Senator Kerry, a former protester himself, didnt stick up for this guy's right to say what he wanted to say... but since the powers that be wanted him removed, the cops did their job. Professionally and correctly. I give them an A.


Thanx for the recommendation DolaMight.

i still wouldn't have minded if the police threw a few haymakers to the guys face

i just think it would have been funny

[PapaBear]

i still wouldn't have minded if the police threw a few haymakers to the guys face

i just think it would have been funny
I'm sorry Funk, but nothing could be any funnier than "owe, owe, owe, owe!!!"

OK. One thing could have been funnier. If he screamed "owie, owie, owie"

[Chigworthy]

I know this is ass-numbingly long, but I would hope that at least foodcourtdruide would read it:

It may be the angle I'm looking at, but I don't see his hand on the chair. It looks to me like the officers have control of his hands.

Also, watching that do you honestly believe he was going to start throwing punches? He was on the ground with 6 officers above him. They were ON TOP of him.

The angle you're looking at? Aren't we all seeing the same video?! How can you not see all these things that have been pointed out to you? If I couldn't see them, I might feel like you do, but they are right there in the video.

I will explain again. At about 35 seconds remaining in the video, the student, who has been forced onto his stomach on the ground, begins trying to get up by raising his torso up. As an officer tries to get a hold on the student's hand, the student yanks it away. This happens when there are about 33 seconds left in the video. Watch what he does with his hand that he has yanked away. He places it on the chair, out of the officer's reach. Why would someone grab onto a stationary object above them when they are being forcibly restrained on the ground? He is doing it to get leverage in order to continue fighting his way back to his feet. The officers cannot allow this to happen.

If the reason is that they legitimately think some one has a weapon then I agree a tazer should be used. Do you think that was the case here?

They don't legitimately think that he has a weapon. They legitimately analyze the situation: They have been trying to restrain the guy for almost two minutes, throughout which the man has been physically and verbally resisting their commands. After getting him to the ground, he is still trying to get up. They are in a crowded and cramped space, with lots of people around. They have no idea whether the guy has a weapon or not. Do you think that they should take a chance in that situation?

There have been certain problems with nutty students on campuses recently, and most campus police departments have recently undergone special training in how to deal with campus shooters. Before Virginia Tech, most campus departments had the protocol of establishing a perimeter around a shooting incident, and waiting for a SWAT team to resolve the problem. Now, the campus officers are trained to enter and stop the threat. The posibility of a student losing it and hurting people is very real to these officers, and they aren't likely to assume that someone acting like this guy did is harmless and not armed.

And people do die and get seriously injured from tazers.

As of April 7, 2007, forty one wrongful death or injury suits filed against TASER international have been dismissed in U.S. courts (Reuters). I found this quote interesting: "How many deaths related to these devices must occur before we have concrete, impartial information that accurately describes the potential dangers of use?" said Larry Cox, executive director for AIUSA, " (Amnesty International). Amnesty International is probably the biggest opponent of the use of tasers, and their executive director admits that there is no concrete information describing the dangers of tasers. According to them, there have been more than 220 "taser-related" deaths. A "taser-related" death would mean that someone died in custody after having been tased one or more times during their arrest and custody. From what I can tell, most of these deaths have been caused by a heart attack.

What I don't see Amnesty International analyzing is the overall in-custody deaths that have occured in recent years, before and after the taser came around. It is a fact that a lot of people die in the custody of the police and correctional institutions. The large majority of these deaths are caused by heart attacks and occur in people that are intoxicated, acting erratic, and resisting arrest. The heart attacks are usually the result of the subject's intoxication combined with the physical exertion of fighting the police for however long. Other causes can be poor health in the subject, as well as positional asphyxia, which refers to the subject having limited or no airway as a result of being hog tied or restrained incorrrectly. One thing common among nearly all of these deaths is the physical struggle with arresting officers. Something to think about: When do you think that officers are most likely to use a taser? It is probably when someone is acting erratically and resisting arrest, the two main causes of in-custody deaths.

The same arguments were given about OC (pepper spray) a few years ago, and it seems that they have gone by the wayside. At this point, there is not a lot of evidence supporting the position that tasers kill people, and that has been supported by our courts so far.

It seems like you have little knowlege of how police officers are trained and what they actually deal with in the real world. This is not meant as an insult. It's been explained here very well by different people why this was reasonable force and you simply cannot understand, or even see things that are very obvious in the video(s). You are condemning these officers without really understanding relevant facts. That is why I wrote this idiotically long post. Not to attack you. Just to present things that you weren't aware of.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wow. When I watched this vid at the beginning of the thread, I thought "there is a classic situation where a taser is warranted. It will be used as a training video. These cops were way more than professional and courteous to this asshole." But then I read the comments (mostly by foodcourtdruid?), I am amazed.

No matter what cops do, we're wrong to some people.

I wont even try to explain, Furtherman, DolaMight and others have tried, and theyre hitting a wall with this guy.

Why even give us guns, night sticks and taser guns if every time we use them, we're wrong?

I found it interesting that Senator Kerry, a former protester himself, didnt stick up for this guy's right to say what he wanted to say... but since the powers that be wanted him removed, the cops did their job. Professionally and correctly. I give them an A.


Thanx for the recommendation DolaMight.

I'm sorry if it's dogmatic to you to question police tactics. I think that's extremely unfair. I don't think it's wrong for police to use their guns, night sticks and tasers in certain situations. I'm just questioning this particular incident. But I'm really tired of being the lone defender in this case.

[foodcourtdruide]

I know this is ass-numbingly long, but I would hope that at least foodcourtdruide would read it:



The angle you're looking at? Aren't we all seeing the same video?! How can you not see all these things that have been pointed out to you? If I couldn't see them, I might feel like you do, but they are right there in the video.

I will explain again. At about 35 seconds remaining in the video, the student, who has been forced onto his stomach on the ground, begins trying to get up by raising his torso up. As an officer tries to get a hold on the student's hand, the student yanks it away. This happens when there are about 33 seconds left in the video. Watch what he does with his hand that he has yanked away. He places it on the chair, out of the officer's reach. Why would someone grab onto a stationary object above them when they are being forcibly restrained on the ground? He is doing it to get leverage in order to continue fighting his way back to his feet. The officers cannot allow this to happen.



They don't legitimately think that he has a weapon. They legitimately analyze the situation: They have been trying to restrain the guy for almost two minutes, throughout which the man has been physically and verbally resisting their commands. After getting him to the ground, he is still trying to get up. They are in a crowded and cramped space, with lots of people around. They have no idea whether the guy has a weapon or not. Do you think that they should take a chance in that situation?

There have been certain problems with nutty students on campuses recently, and most campus police departments have recently undergone special training in how to deal with campus shooters. Before Virginia Tech, most campus departments had the protocol of establishing a perimeter around a shooting incident, and waiting for a SWAT team to resolve the problem. Now, the campus officers are trained to enter and stop the threat. The posibility of a student losing it and hurting people is very real to these officers, and they aren't likely to assume that someone acting like this guy did is harmless and not armed.



As of April 7, 2007, forty one wrongful death or injury suits filed against TASER international have been dismissed in U.S. courts (Reuters). I found this quote interesting: "How many deaths related to these devices must occur before we have concrete, impartial information that accurately describes the potential dangers of use?" said Larry Cox, executive director for AIUSA, " (Amnesty International). Amnesty International is probably the biggest opponent of the use of tasers, and their executive director admits that there is no concrete information describing the dangers of tasers. According to them, there have been more than 220 "taser-related" deaths. A "taser-related" death would mean that someone died in custody after having been tased one or more times during their arrest and custody. From what I can tell, most of these deaths have been caused by a heart attack.

What I don't see Amnesty International analyzing is the overall in-custody deaths that have occured in recent years, before and after the taser came around. It is a fact that a lot of people die in the custody of the police and correctional institutions. The large majority of these deaths are caused by heart attacks and occur in people that are intoxicated, acting erratic, and resisting arrest. The heart attacks are usually the result of the subject's intoxication combined with the physical exertion of fighting the police for however long. Other causes can be poor health in the subject, as well as positional asphyxia, which refers to the subject having limited or no airway as a result of being hog tied or restrained incorrrectly. One thing common among nearly all of these deaths is the physical struggle with arresting officers. Something to think about: When do you think that officers are most likely to use a taser? It is probably when someone is acting erratically and resisting arrest, the two main causes of in-custody deaths.

The same arguments were given about OC (pepper spray) a few years ago, and it seems that they have gone by the wayside. At this point, there is not a lot of evidence supporting the position that tasers kill people, and that has been supported by our courts so far.

It seems like you have little knowlege of how police officers are trained and what they actually deal with in the real world. This is not meant as an insult. It's been explained here very well by different people why this was reasonable force and you simply cannot understand, or even see things that are very obvious in the video(s). You are condemning these officers without really understanding relevant facts. That is why I wrote this idiotically long post. Not to attack you. Just to present things that you weren't aware of.

Wow, that was really long. I'll touch on your key points.
1. There were multiple video's that came out, in the one that I was watching yesterday what you were saying wasn't clear. I kind of see what you're saying now, but the officer still looks like he has control of the right arm. I really am not buying your argument, sorry.

2. You are disagreeing with Amnesty International. I've read the same articles you have. Neither of us are privy to the medical examiner reports on the incidents where tasers were used and the subject died so it would be completely pointless for us to argue. Your approach of looking at deaths in custody without taser use compared to deaths with taser use is smart though, do you have those numbers? I gave a quick look and couldn't find them.

Also, and this isn't meant towards you chigworthy, but I'm really annoyed that the whole "your against the cops" argument is coming up. I thought this board was smarter than that. This country flushes its rights down the toilet and I think this particular case is an example of that. I wish no police officer ever had to be injured or killed in the line of duty. I wish there was a magic button that every police officer could press that would immediately freeze a suspect and not allow them to reach for a weapon, that doesn't injure, traumatize or kill potentially innocent people. However, that button does not exist.

I think I've said all I have to say, I really feel like we're going in circles.

[Yerdaddy]

I got no sound so all I saw was him hopping up and down and yelling:

"Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail007.jpg

[topless_mike]

wow... i never saw the full video, only the chopped one on cnn.

after seeing the full video, i further my stance that this idiot deserved to get zapped.

as a matter of fact, i would love to point and laugh at him.

[Earlshog]

He did? I thought he joined the NAVY! What fighting? For the front row on movie night? Less starch in his skivvies? Oh, wait, color TVs in the rec areas-they were expensive back then.

Right he got two purple hearts, a silver and bronze star sitting their watching TV.

[Earlshog]

Got you beat. I live in Atlantic County NJ. Not only are the kids here spoiled lower middle class brats, they are spoiled lower middle class brats from FUCKING JERSEY!

fixed

[Crispy123]

Right he got two purple hearts, a silver and bronze star sitting their watching TV.

Im thinking since Scott is an Army man he was just joshin. I would say FCD you put up a good fight and the rest of yous who blindly think all cops are good and have the right to tase someone who resists arrest are a bunch of sheep.

This was at the University of Florida. Not an Ivy league school by a long shot so you people are laughing at "privileged rich kids" getting their due are out to fucking lunch and are I can only assume bitter, uneducated pricks. To be fair, this kid does seems like a show boater and maybe a little conspiracy theory nut.

It is too little info for me to make an educated call about this scenario. The cops were right next to the kid the whole time so I would need to know what was going on before hand. Any investigation, IMO, is going to exonerate the cops behavior. My beef is that this was supposed to be an open forum and this kid was asking questions. Like I said I dont know what happened before hand so its impossible to say, we will have to wait for an investigation but of course cops are investigating the actions of other cops.

I will say that we are increasingly going to a police state and that seems to be fine with the majority of people in this thread. Cops should be peace-keepers and not play the role of judge and jury that they are allowed to get away with in this day and age. The cop mentality makes it hard for me to actually like many cops (C_T_C seems to be somewhat of a good guy). I think in the near future you people are going to get what you want and will see people getting arrested for terrorism, drugs, subversive acts and speaking against the government; I hope you all enjoy it.

[Earlshog]

Im thinking since Scott is an Army man he was just joshin. I would say FCD you put up a good fight and the rest of yous who blindly think all cops are good and have the right to tase someone who resists arrest are a bunch of sheep.

This was at the University of Florida. Not an Ivy league school by a long shot so you people are laughing at "privileged rich kids" getting their due are out to fucking lunch and are I can only assume bitter, uneducated pricks. To be fair, this kid does seems like a show boater and maybe a little conspiracy theory nut.

It is too little info for me to make an educated call about this scenario. The cops were right next to the kid the whole time so I would need to know what was going on before hand. Any investigation, IMO, is going to exonerate the cops behavior. My beef is that this was supposed to be an open forum and this kid was asking questions. Like I said I dont know what happened before hand so its impossible to say, we will have to wait for an investigation but of course cops are investigating the actions of other cops.

I will say that we are increasingly going to a police state and that seems to be fine with the majority of people in this thread. Cops should be peace-keepers and not play the role of judge and jury that they are allowed to get away with in this day and age. The cop mentality makes it hard for me to actually like many cops (C_T_C seems to be somewhat of a good guy). I think in the near future you people are going to get what you want and will see people getting arrested for terrorism, drugs, subversive acts and speaking against the government; I hope you all enjoy it.

Sorry Scott guess I am dosen't get the bit guy :surrender:

Lets remember these are campus police.

[Furtherman]

I think in the near future you people are going to get what you want and will see people getting arrested for terrorism

Call me crazy, but I hope that happens today. And yes, I will enjoy it.

[Crispy123]

Call me crazy, but I hope that happens today. And yes, I will enjoy it.

Crazy. :smoke::smoke::smoke:

Im sure you would have loved to seen the Redcoats shoot Paul Revere in the back as he was running around New England.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll bet he'd love to have seen Hitler punch Washington right in his wooden teeth.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen the Kaiser spear Lincoln right in the gut with his pointy helmet.

No, wait...I'll be he'd love to have seen Cobra Commander molesting Thomas Jefferson.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen Darth Vader kick FDR right in his crippled balls.

No, wait...

[Crispy123]

I'll bet he'd love to have seen Hitler punch Washington right in his wooden teeth.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen the Kaiser spear Lincoln right in the gut with his pointy helmet.

No, wait...I'll be he'd love to have seen Cobra Commander molesting Thomas Jefferson.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen Darth Vader kick FDR right in his crippled balls.

No, wait...

Are you F'en with me??? :nono::nono::nono:

[DolaMight]

I'll bet he'd love to have seen Hitler punch Washington right in his wooden teeth.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen the Kaiser spear Lincoln right in the gut with his pointy helmet.

No, wait...I'll be he'd love to have seen Cobra Commander molesting Thomas Jefferson.

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen Darth Vader kick FDR right in his crippled balls.

No, wait...

No, wait...I'll bet he'd love to have seen Steve the helpful guy slap the black off of earl.

[ChrisTheCop]

I love when people say we're heading toward a police state, but then ask me why I cant do anything about the punks sitting on their car, or blocking the entrance to their store.

Why? Because liberals like you protested my actions every time I tried to take care of business, and now I'm better off not having ANY interactions with anyone.

You guys are right. These cops should have just let this guy keep blabbering and if he wanted to fight, they shouldve just let him hit them. He had a right to do what he wants to do....these cops have none. What were they even doing at a political event?

I AM gonna use this as a training video now.
Just to show my guys that even when you do everything correctly...youre still wrong.



By the way, who even knew Kerry was still running til this video came out?

[Earlshog]

I love when people say we're heading toward a police state, but then ask me why I cant do anything about the punks sitting on their car, or blocking the entrance to their store.

Why? Because liberals like you protested my actions every time I tried to take care of business, and now I'm better off not having ANY interactions with anyone.

You guys are right. These cops should have just let this guy keep blabbering and if he wanted to fight, they shouldve just let him hit them. He had a right to do what he wants to do....these cops have none. What were they even doing at a political event?

I AM gonna use this as a training video now.
Just to show my guys that even when you do everything correctly...youre still wrong.



By the way, who even knew Kerry was still running til this video came out?

Running for what?

[TheMojoPin]

Why? Because libertarians like you protested my actions every time I tried to take care of business, and now I'm better off not having ANY interactions with anyone.

Fixed.

[DolaMight]

Running for what?

2004 Presidential Election, with bush's approval ratings he might pull it off.

[Crispy123]

I love when people say we're heading toward a police state, but then ask me why I cant do anything about the punks sitting on their car, or blocking the entrance to their store.

Why? Because liberals like you protested my actions every time I tried to take care of business, and now I'm better off not having ANY interactions with anyone.

You guys are right. These cops should have just let this guy keep blabbering and if he wanted to fight, they shouldve just let him hit them. He had a right to do what he wants to do....these cops have none. What were they even doing at a political event?

I AM gonna use this as a training video now.
Just to show my guys that even when you do everything correctly...youre still wrong.



By the way, who even knew Kerry was still running til this video came out?

First, I said I didn't know what happened before the cameras were rolling. Obviously something did because the cops were right behind the kid from the start and immediately grabbed him when he raised his hand. I agree the cops probably acted correctly according to their rules of conduct. However, if this was a question and answer period who are these cops to suddenly determine this kid had gone over the line? My main beef is with the laws in general nowadays. I also think that since the beginning of law and order some of the people charged with protecting it became corrupted. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the police in this country have unprecedented levels of power over the citizens of this country because we've allowed it to happen. We the people are also to blame for not taking an interest in civic duty and taking pride in our neighborhoods.

PS There are some good cops no doubt and they are not the only profession that tends to be corrupted, but lets not kid ourselves and think that we can solve all of this countries problems by locking everybody up and/or killing them.

[ChrisTheCop]

???

They werent trying to solve the worlds problems here.

They were trying to solve the auditorium's problem. And they did.

I just watched the second video, provided by DolaMight. It's even clearer that although he relaxes and lets them cuff one hand, he resists when they attempt the 2nd.

Without the taser, he wouldve been bashed in the nuts repeatedly until he complied.
Which is worse?

Also, in the first video you can see the cops looking over to someone, as in "now?"... My guess is they were being told by their boss to take action, and that boss was being told by the organizers (civilians) to take action. The cops werent there to limit this guys free speech, they were there to ensure the next guy's right to ask a question. Second video, you can see he was asked nicely by (someone) to move on. He refused. If you were next in line, and the cops didnt remove this guy, youd be crying about that.

[underdog]

Topical T-shirt (http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/09/19/bwe-tees-the-official-tasered-kid-t-shirts/)

[Chigworthy]

I would say FCD you put up a good fight and the rest of yous who blindly think all cops are good and have the right to tase someone who resists arrest are a bunch of sheep.


Blindly? Did you not read my long boring post explaining exactly why this was a case of reasonable force? It sounds more like you are blindly taking the side of the student without knowing the actual facts of when and why officers use different force options. While it's not really a right, police officers have the authority to tase someone who resists arrest. Thats what a taser is for. What else would it be for?


It is too little info for me to make an educated call about this scenario.....My beef is that this was supposed to be an open forum and this kid was asking questions. Like I said I dont know what happened before hand so its impossible to say, we will have to wait for an investigation but of course cops are investigating the actions of other cops.


How can you have a beef with this when you admittedly don't know what the context of the incident is? Well, if "It is too little info" for you to make an educated call, here's an excerpt from one of the police officer's reports. I highlighted some interesting things in case it is too much info for you. Keep in mind this a document that will be used in any criminal case, whether against the student or the officers, and that this document describes incidents that happened in front of a crowd of people and multiple cameras. This is from the report of Officer Nicole Mallo, the second officer who tased the student after the initial taser didn't deploy properly. (When you hear that classic taser "clicking" noise, it means that one or both of the probes is not contacting the subject sufficiently, and the taser will not work properly.)


On 09/17/07 at 1015 hours, I was working an overtime function at the University Auditorium for Accent presents Senator John Kerry. There were approximately 350 plus people in attendance. At approximately 1245 hrs., Ambassador Jett informed the audience that there would be a question and answer session and that Senator Kerry would only be answering about 6 questions, 3 on each side of the room where there were microphones set up. Senator Kerry told Ambassador Jett that he might be able to answer a couple more, time permitting. Senator Kerry was answering questions during the “question and answer stage” of his presentation when the audience was told there would only be one question left to be answered. After the question was answered, Senator Kerry stated the question and answer was over and thanked the audience for asking their questions. The approximate number of people in line asking questions was about 20, and Senator Kerry answered about 8 questions. All of the people standing in line started to dissipate and either sat back down or started to leave. As Senator Kerry was ending his speech, a man disrupted the senator by screaming, yelling, and flailing his arms. The man moved his way down the aisle yelling, “Why don’t you answer my questions, I have been waiting and listening to you speak in circles for the last two hours.”

“These officers are going to arrest me”. I didn’t see any officer directly next to him until I noticed Officer Wise walking down trying to get his attention. The man was screaming and yelling obscenities until Senator Kerry told him to calm down and that he would take his question, but he needed to calm down. At that point, the man stated, “You will take my question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours”. The man at that point turned to his friend and said, “Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?” The man was talking to a woman who was there to film him. Before asking the question, I had a chance to ask the man if he was a student and he stated, “I don’t have to tell you.” I the asked him if he knew the rules to the student code of conduct and he said, “What?” I informed the man that after he asked Senator Kerry the question that I needed to talk to him outside. After asking the question, the man would not let Senator Kerry finish his statement and kept badgering the senator about his beliefs, talking about “blow jobs”, and yelling as loud as he could as to sensationalize his presence. At that moment the Accent Director, Max Tyroler, asked us to take him out of the auditorium and had his microphone turned off stating, “He had said enough.” Officer Wise and I grabbed both of the man’s arms and asked him to come with us out of the auditorium to speak with us. The man then lifted me up and pushed Officer Wise to avoid being taken into custody. As he pushed and kicked Officer Wise, Sgt. King grabbed him and escorted him out of the room, but the man pushed Sgt. King out of the way and was yelling and trying to get back down the aisle. At this point Officer Sexton, Officer De Jesus, and Officer Lamb tried to assist Officer Wise and Sgt King in getting a hold of the punching and kicking irate man while Officer Dean, Officer Passero, and Officer Spurlin were present trying to assist.

The man continued to scream and yell as well as push, kick, and elbow the officers attempting to take him into custody. After multiple attempts to tell him to stop resisting, the man said, “No” and continued to push and elbow the officers. Only one handcuff was placed on the man as he continued to punch his way out of the hold. The officers could not get a hold of his other arm as he was kicking, punching, and elbowing into officers. After many attempts to get the man to comply, he chose to continue actively resisting the officers. I obeyed the command from Sgt. King to utilize the taser for the continuation of non-compliance by the man. One contact tase to the man’s left shoulder was deployed for the duration of its cycle. After the cycle ended, the man was asked to comply and stop resisting and for a brief moment he did, at which time he was placed in handcuffs. After he was lifted to his feet, he kept screaming and yelling to let him go by continually pushing the officers. I read the man his Miranda rights and explained why he was being placed under arrest. As the man was escorted down stairs with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again. Some of the comments that the man made were “You can’t kill me.”, “They are giving me to the government.” and “They are going to kill me.”

The man was identified not only by the people there filming for him, but also by a business card he had on him that had his picture on it. The card read, “TheANDREWMEYER.com
“Speak my mind.” I asked him if he was Andrew Meyer and he said, “Yes, I am.” Meyer was transported to the Alachua County Detention Center by my myself and Officer Vinson. Meyer stated he just wanted Senator Kerry to hear what he had to say and that he was upset when he ended the questions without being heard. Meyer stated, on the way to the jail, “I am not mad at you guys, you didn’t do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job.” Meyer was laughing and being lighthearted in the car, his demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight. Meyer did ask, at one point, if the cameras were going to be at the jail.

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[Thrice]

I can't stand cops. I think a large number of them get off on the fact that they get to drive around as fast as they want all day while carrying a gun BUT that being said they were completely in the right here. This kid wanted to be made a martyr. He wouldn't listen to their commands and their hands were tied.

[JPMNICK]

i am just happy this was a white kid, because if it was a black student this would be a nightmare.

[Chigworthy]

I can't stand cops. I think a large number of them get off on the fact that they get to drive around as fast as they want all day while carrying a gun BUT that being said they were completely in the right here. This kid wanted to be made a martyr. He wouldn't listen to their commands and their hands were tied.

I can't stand people like you.

[Bob Impact]

I can't stand cops. I think a large number of them get off on the fact that they get to drive around as fast as they want all day while carrying a gun BUT that being said they were completely in the right here. This kid wanted to be made a martyr. He wouldn't listen to their commands and their hands were tied.

I couldn't disagree with your first point more. I have friends and family who are cops, ranging from NYC to small towns in CT and if that was all they wanted, TRUST ME it ain't fuckin' worth it to anybody. The real problem i've seen over the years with my cop buddies is that this kind of shit and that kind of attitude wears them down from the "guy who wanted to uphold the law" to the "guy who just wants to get through the day so he can get his pension." We can either cut the shit now, or we can continue to make things more difficult for the police until we have NO order, and THEN we can really see what's worse.

[foodcourtdruide]

I love when people say we're heading toward a police state, but then ask me why I cant do anything about the punks sitting on their car, or blocking the entrance to their store.

Why? Because liberals like you protested my actions every time I tried to take care of business, and now I'm better off not having ANY interactions with anyone.

You guys are right. These cops should have just let this guy keep blabbering and if he wanted to fight, they shouldve just let him hit them. He had a right to do what he wants to do....these cops have none. What were they even doing at a political event?

I AM gonna use this as a training video now.
Just to show my guys that even when you do everything correctly...youre still wrong.



By the way, who even knew Kerry was still running til this video came out?

I loved this post because I like it when the word liberal is used as an insult. That always makes me chuckle.

The other day Ronnie B. put it perfectly (paraphrasing):
"You say someone on the left is a LIBERAL, like that's a fucking insult!"

[Chigworthy]

Bob, I agree with what you said. To me, that kind of blanket mistrust and assumption about the police is selfish and sociopathic. Most of the police go through the brutal application process multiple times, attend a six month academy that is not easy or comfortable, work ridiculous shifts in extremely uncomfortable attire, and take shit from people like Thrice just so they can drive fast and carry a fucking gun? What a load of shit.

[ChrisTheCop]

I loved this post because I like it when the word liberal is used as an insult. That always makes me chuckle.

The other day Ronnie B. put it perfectly (paraphrasing):
"You say someone on the left is a LIBERAL, like that's a fucking insult!"

Wasnt meant as an insult; if thats the way you took it, maybe you know something about Liberals that I dont.

What I meant was that liberals are indeed the ones who brought lawsuits against police agencies thru the years, decreasing our abilities little by little.

Ronnie's quote was pertinent and funny... yours was benign.




update: I just read chig's post. THANKS for that info. I cant wait to see FCD's next post that that is all police lies...even though its all on tape. I just still cant believe that people see something wrong here.

[Chigworthy]

Chris, I find it interesting that he said this earlier:

I'm sorry, but the tasering was his punishment for being disobedient. The officers were CLEARLY in control of the situation when it happened. And to be honest, I'm fucking disgusted at you people that think it's funny. You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

[foodcourtdruide]

Chris, I find it interesting that he said this earlier:

I made it clear before that my disdain with Limbaugh and O'Reilly have nothing to do with any hatred for Republicans. They are hate mongers that want to take a shit on the constitution.

[DolaMight]

I made it clear before that my disdain with Limbaugh and O'Reilly have nothing to do with any hatred for Republicans. They are hate mongers that want to take a shit on the constitution.

Yet anyone who disagreed with you was labeled a mindless tool of O'reilly or Limbaugh.

[Chigworthy]

Yet anyone who disagreed with you was labeled a mindless tool of O'reilly or Limbaugh.

Exactly my point. For a commie Canadian, you're alright.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wasnt meant as an insult; if thats the way you took it, maybe you know something about Liberals that I dont.

What I meant was that liberals are indeed the ones who brought lawsuits against police agencies thru the years, decreasing our abilities little by little.

Ronnie's quote was pertinent and funny... yours was benign.




update: I just read chig's post. THANKS for that info. I cant wait to see FCD's next post that that is all police lies...even though its all on tape.

Ok. I have tried to make it clear that I am not the fucking conspiracy guy and that I don't think the police are out to get us. I just have an issue with this particular incident. You are skewing my argument so I am totally done talking with you about it. And you really did use it in a derogatory manner. "Liberals like you.. blah blah blah". Come on.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yet anyone who disagreed with you was labeled a mindless tool of O'reilly or Limbaugh.

Twisting my words. I didn't say that at all. My comment said people who disagreed with me went along with that line of thinking. To say that people who disagree with me are tools of them is wrong. There is a big difference.

[foodcourtdruide]

This has gotten off the topic at hand and I really don't like being painted into a corner like this. I'm not stating my position again and if you all want to think I'm an idiot then do so, but DON'T PUT FUCKING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

[Zorro]

My problem with this kid is he starts the boulder downhill then complains when he's hit by it.

[mikeyboy]

Twisting my words. I didn't say that at all. My comment said people who disagreed with me went along with that line of thinking. To say that people who disagree with me are tools of them is wrong. There is a big difference.

It's a pretty fine line. Regardless, you are running down the opinions of others who don't agree with you simply because they don't agree with you. It's hard to have a a civil discourse with someone when they enter with the assumption that their own opinion is the only one that can possibly be right. :wallbash:

[ChrisTheCop]

Ok. I have tried to make it clear that I am not the fucking conspiracy guy and that I don't think the police are out to get us. I just have an issue with this particular incident. You are skewing my argument so I am totally done talking with you about it. And you really did use it in a derogatory manner. "Liberals like you.. blah blah blah". Come on.

You made me re-read my own comment, and I did nothing of the kind.

Do you agree with me that people who believe that we are living in a police state are Liberals?
If so, then if I call them Liberals, they are liberals. Even Liberals, like you.
It's like if a teenager complained to me about the price of car insurance. Id say, its because of teenagers like you. Is that an insult? I think not. Its just a sentence.

Youve jumped to one conclusion too many, FCD. I agree, you should be done with it.

[foodcourtdruide]

It's a pretty fine line. Regardless, you are running down the opinions of others who don't agree with you simply because they don't agree with you. It's hard to have a a civil discourse with someone when they enter with the assumption that their own opinion is the only one that can possibly be right. :wallbash:

I will agree with anything MikeyBoy says because he is saint mikey of the internet. In retrospect the O'Reilly/Limbaugh comparison was a little harsh and may have been said out of anger. However, I totally don't think I am completely right on this issue. I see others point of view and completely respect what Chigworthy is saying.

[foodcourtdruide]

You made me re-read my own comment, and I did nothing of the kind.

Do you agree with me that people who believe that we are living in a police state are Liberals?
If so, then if I call them Liberals, they are liberals. Even Liberals, like you.
It's like if a teenager complained to me about the price of car insurance. Id say, its because of teenagers like you. Is that an insult? I think not. Its just a sentence.

Youve jumped to one conclusion to many, FCD. I agree, you should be done with it.

No. I do not think liberals believe we are living in a police state. I think paranoid people believe that. I think liberals want to create a happy medium to maintain a civil society, while protecting the rights of the individual and not compomising the safety of the police.

I think the "like you" term is derogatory, but that's insignificant. It's all really semantics. If you didn't mean it in a derogatory manner then I believe you, I have no reason not to.

[DolaMight]

Twisting my words. I didn't say that at all. My comment said people who disagreed with me went along with that line of thinking. To say that people who disagree with me are tools of them is wrong. There is a big difference.

You may not have explicitly stated it but it was clearly implied. No difference.

[mikeyboy]

I think we haven't quite jumped the line yet, but we're walking it. Here's a gentle reminder to keep it civil.

[foodcourtdruide]

You may not have explicitly stated it but it was clearly implied. No difference.

I really didn't. I honestly can't imagine anyone from this board listening to those guys. If you listen to Ron and Fez AND Rush Limbaugh then you are one eclectic mother fucker.

[ChrisTheCop]

Why you......

oh. MikeyBoy's watching.

(putting taser back in its holster)....

...nothing to see here.

[foodcourtdruide]

Why you......

oh. MikeyBoy's watching.

(putting taser back in its holster)....

...nothing to see here.

lol

Everyone gets aggitated and angry during debates. Honestly, I have nothing but love for everyone here.

[TheMojoPin]

Mikey is a liberal-nazi-O'Reilly-pinko-Franken-Coulter-zombie for daring to mod in MY forum.

Fascist. Thanks for the police state.

[mikeyboy]

Mikey is a liberal-nazi-O'Reilly-pinko-Franken-Coulter-zombie for daring to mod in MY forum.

Fascist. Thanks for the police state.

Hrrrmph!

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[underdog]

Mikey is a liberal-nazi-O'Reilly-pinko-Franken-Coulter-zombie for daring to mod in MY forum.

Fascist. Thanks for the police state.

you forgot Puerto Rican.

[TheMojoPin]

Hrrrmph!

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VIVE LA REVOLUCION!

[jetdog]

So, I'm still kinda surprised that officers would use a taser in this sitiuation. Shouldn't a trained officer, let alone five or six, be able to physically handle a little guy like this?

[jetdog]

oh yeah....VIVA!

[badmonkey]

I really didn't. I honestly can't imagine anyone from this board listening to those guys. If you listen to Ron and Fez AND Rush Limbaugh then you are one eclectic mother fucker.

I flip back and forth between Ron and Fez, Rush, and Mike McConnell during the hour drive to work depending on commercial break timing and who's got the most interesting topics at the time.

[Chigworthy]

So, I'm still kinda surprised that officers would use a taser in this sitiuation. Shouldn't a trained officer, let alone five or six, be able to physically handle a little guy like this?

I guess we could start this all over.

[jetdog]

I guess we could start this all over.
No lets not, I'm tired of reading everones overinterpretations and accusations, but maybe Chris the Cop or another member who is involved in law enforcement could shed some light on the specific question?

[ChrisTheCop]

So, I'm still kinda surprised that officers would use a taser in this sitiuation. Shouldn't a trained officer, let alone five or six, be able to physically handle a little guy like this?

No lets not, I'm tired of reading everones overinterpretations and accusations, but maybe Chris the Cop or another member who is involved in law enforcement could shed some light on the specific question?

Well, I would hope that MY cops couldve controlled him a little faster. But, he was pretty big, and there happened to be only one cop (the sgt i believe) his size.

The fact is that they couldnt restrain him, and they needed some help in doing so. This is exactly what the taser is for. It worked, and no one, including the perp as far as I know, was injured.

I hope this answers your question.

[jetdog]

Well, I would hope that MY cops couldve controlled him a little faster. But, he was pretty big, and there happened to be only one cop (the sgt i believe) his size.

The fact is that they couldnt restrain him, and they needed some help in doing so. This is exactly what the taser is for. It worked, and no one, including the perp as far as I know, was injured.

I hope this answers your question.

Yeah, i would hope that any cops would be able to take this guy out quicker than what was shown.
I'm not trying to bust balls (and I appreciate your answer) but aren't there any physical tactics that would have immobillized this guy faster?

[scottinnj]

I You should all go listen to your fucking Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly talk about what a great win this was for the constitution and how people who assemble and question the mainstream media's selling points are not patriotic.

Police: Act up and we will taser you.
Masses: This is a good thing because for some reason I don't like college students.


I listened to Randi Rhodes today on AA have a nervous breakdown-she was so histrionic about this kid. Now I know he's a douche and she's a fool for backing him up and scaring her audience doing her show over a stunt done by a kid who loves this stuff and has a website full of videos of himself in "crazy" situations.

Did he plan on getting tased? Probably not. But he did count on the campus police dragging him out under arrest so he could have another video and more attention.

He's a douche. Most of you guys weren't around for Kent State, and I was a kid when that happened. Read up on that, and compare REAL censorship and government brutality to a immature child' stunt.

[scottinnj]

He did? I thought he joined the NAVY! What fighting? For the front row on movie night? Less starch in his skivvies? Oh, wait, color TVs in the rec areas-they were expensive back then.

Right he got two purple hearts, a silver and bronze star sitting their watching TV.


I was only jokin........


I'm Army, I'm obligated to rip the Navy. I swore an oath to do that right after I swore to the Constitution.

[scottinnj]

No, wait...I'll be he'd love to have seen Cobra Commander molesting Thomas Jefferson.





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Nice grab Mojo!

[scottinnj]

I can't stand cops. I think a large number of them get off on the fact that they get to drive around as fast as they want all day while carrying a gun BUT that being said they were completely in the right here. This kid wanted to be made a martyr. He wouldn't listen to their commands and their hands were tied.


Exactly.....including the "I can't stand cops" Chris the Cop, no offense, but the cops here in Jersey, especially Northfield, Egg Harbor Township and Linwood are glorified "revenuers" who spend half their day issuing nuisance tickets so our City Halls can pay for bike paths and clocks. Our state troopers have killed two girls and damn near our Governor in traffic accidents due to speeding this past year, but refuse to accept responsibility for any of it.

But to get back on topic: Thrice is right. The kid was being an attention whore, there were time limits so that a lot of people could participate in the Q & A and this kid knew that before he got to the microphone-time limits are not censorship, it is a good rule for public dialog.

[scottinnj]

Crazy. :smoke::smoke::smoke:

Im sure you would have loved to seen the Redcoats shoot Paul Revere in the back as he was running around New England.

Only if he was trying to get open for a pass from Tom Brady. Or if he had a videocamera.

[Yerdaddy]

You made me re-read my own comment, and I did nothing of the kind.

Do you agree with me that people who believe that we are living in a police state are Liberals?
If so, then if I call them Liberals, they are liberals. Even Liberals, like you.
It's like if a teenager complained to me about the price of car insurance. Id say, its because of teenagers like you. Is that an insult? I think not. Its just a sentence.

Youve jumped to one conclusion too many, FCD. I agree, you should be done with it.

I just hope you took note that most of the liberals on here have sided with the cops, and in fact this was one of the more non-partisan political threads in the forum until about last page. Also cops in midwest states will probably tell you about the right wing militias holed up in rural camps stockpiling weapons because they think you're coming to take their guns away - something the NRA has been trying to convince them and alot of other right-wingers for decades. The demonization of cops is truly bi-partisan, just maybe more liberal in urban and conservative in rural areas.

I'm more worried about you coming to take my behymen away than anything else. And I don't lock my doors at night and there's a big jar of Vasolube on the nightstand by the bed.

[ChrisTheCop]

I just hope you took note that most of the liberals on here have sided with the cops, and in fact this was one of the more non-partisan political threads in the forum until about last page. Also cops in midwest states will probably tell you about the right wing militias holed up in rural camps stockpiling weapons because they think you're coming to take their guns away - something the NRA has been trying to convince them and alot of other right-wingers for decades. The demonization of cops is truly bi-partisan, just maybe more liberal in urban and conservative in rural areas.

I'm more worried about you coming to take my behymen away than anything else. And I don't lock my doors at night and there's a big jar of Vasolube on the nightstand by the bed.

Are you coming on to me?

[Yerdaddy]

Are you coming on to me?

to you? No.

[suggums]

Well, I would hope that MY cops couldve controlled him a little faster. But, he was pretty big, and there happened to be only one cop (the sgt i believe) his size.

The fact is that they couldnt restrain him, and they needed some help in doing so. This is exactly what the taser is for. It worked, and no one, including the perp as far as I know, was injured.

I hope this answers your question.

how exactly were they not able to restrain him? i've seen the videos, there were roughly 10 of them around the solitary college student, and more than half of them were holding different parts of his body at the time of the tazing. sure he may have been squirming, but at no point did they not have him restrained. i call bullshit. they didnt need the tasers. even kerry says he would've answered the questions and handled it.


p.s. its still a hilarious scream, and im really not trying to extend the argument. just two more pennies

[Ritalin]

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[foodcourtdruide]

I listened to Randi Rhodes today on AA have a nervous breakdown-she was so histrionic about this kid. Now I know he's a douche and she's a fool for backing him up and scaring her audience doing her show over a stunt done by a kid who loves this stuff and has a website full of videos of himself in "crazy" situations.

Did he plan on getting tased? Probably not. But he did count on the campus police dragging him out under arrest so he could have another video and more attention.

He's a douche. Most of you guys weren't around for Kent State, and I was a kid when that happened. Read up on that, and compare REAL censorship and government brutality to a immature child' stunt.

Randi Rhodes is terrible. She's unlistenable and is the lefts equivalent of O'Reilly/Limbaugh. However, from Air America I really dig the Young Turks.

[Chigworthy]

Exactly.....including the "I can't stand cops" Chris the Cop, no offense, but...

No offense? This attitude has got to be some sort of sociopathy. It's fucking ridiculous. I'm tired and I don't really know what to say, but you are condemning my wife and my friends, so I take this shit personally. You are also condeming every other cop in the country with this bullshit. If you can't stand cops than don't ever fucking ask for help from one or appreciate the fact that you can move through your neighborhood without it being Beirut. Don't worry, they'll help you anyway.

[ChrisTheCop]

Thanks Chig.

I too laughed at the "no offense" followed by the... offense.

But I realized a long time ago that, being a bald white male police officer meant that I was never gonna be protected by political correctness.

Even though this board is full of hippies, LIBERALS, and pot heads, I know that for every ScottinNJ or FCD, there are a dozen who appreciate the work done every day by our men and women in uniform.

[foodcourtdruide]

Thanks Chig.

I too laughed at the "no offense" followed by the... offense.

But I realized a long time ago that, being a bald white male police officer meant that I was never gonna be protected by political correctness.

Even though this board is full of hippies, LIBERALS, and pot heads, I know that for every ScottinNJ or FCD, there are a dozen who appreciate the work done every day by our men and women in uniform.

I don't know why I am lumped into the end part. Becuase I disagreed with the tactics taken by the officers in the video doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work police do. I have been screaming that this whole time.

[ChrisTheCop]

I don't know why I am lumped into the end part. Becuase I disagreed with the tactics taken by the officers in the video doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work police do. I have been screaming that this whole time.

Without re reading the thread, I'll accept that as a fact. Thank you.
I may have lumped you in, for that I apologize, but your posts are the reason that made me angry about this matter. Not that you dont have the right, you do of course...

Just saying, that because u were so adamant about THESE cops being wrong, when I thought they were right, can u blame me for thinking just now that u were against cops? So..ok..anyway... sorry.

Man I am so tired...zzzzz.z......I dont think any of that made sense.

[Crispy123]

How can you have a beef with this when you admittedly don't know what the context of the incident is? Well, if "It is too little info" for you to make an educated call, here's an excerpt from one of the police officer's reports. I highlighted some interesting things in case it is too much info for you.

Woah, slow down...that is way too much info. Maybe I should blindly (see what I did there, I highlighted the part where you blindly believe the cops because you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that is what you are doing) believe all of this crap because a cop wrote it in his report. I mean they went to school for it so they never put stuff in a report unless its true...

[TheMojoPin]

Even though this board is full of hippies, LIBERALS, and pot heads, I know that for every ScottinNJ or FCD, there are a dozen who appreciate the work done every day by our men and women in uniform.

Actually, like I kinda said before, if you're talking about actual anti-cop sentiment, it's usually from the so-called libertarians as opposed to "liberals." They're the ones who are really gung-ho about the "fuck authority" thing to the degree you seem to be talking about, and others seem to be implying.

[angrymissy]

I'm a filthy liberal, and I say the kid was asking for it and the cops were justified in what they did. He was obviously trying to get another "look at me" youtube video up, and resisted the cops and got tazed.

Colbert report has had hilarious stuff on this video, where they show the kids in the crowd nonchalantly watching the kid get tazed.

I don't want to get tazed. If cops ask me to leave an area multiple times, I will. You can hear them say a million times "YOU WILL BE TAZED IF YOU DON'T STOP RESISTING ARREST".

[foodcourtdruide]

Without re reading the thread, I'll accept that as a fact. Thank you.
I may have lumped you in, for that I apologize, but your posts are the reason that made me angry about this matter. Not that you dont have the right, you do of course...

Just saying, that because u were so adamant about THESE cops being wrong, when I thought they were right, can u blame me for thinking just now that u were against cops? So..ok..anyway... sorry.

Man I am so tired...zzzzz.z......I dont think any of that made sense.

It's ok, like I said, these stupid political discussions get everyone heated. But hey, I think we broke a record for longest online political debate withone the word "nazi" being mentioend.

[Chigworthy]

Woah, slow down...that is way too much info. Maybe I should blindly (see what I did there, I highlighted the part where you blindly believe the cops because you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that is what you are doing) believe all of this crap because a cop wrote it in his report. I mean they went to school for it so they never put stuff in a report unless its true...

Now you are speaking out of your ass. If you had bothered to read my earlier posts, you would note that I presented evidence for why this was a use of reasonable force. Blindly would imply that I had no idea about arrest procedures, when in fact I graduated with honors from a law enforcement ranger academy, which included defensive tactics, use of force, CA penal code 832 arrest, and a healthy dose of pepper spray in my eyes. I received honors in report writing, so I do know a little about that, too. Blindly would imply that I have gone off all willy-nilly in defense of the cops, when I have presented pages of evidence supporting my belief that these particular cops were justified.

Did you do any researching? Or did you just watch the video once and make your decision? You obviously didn't read the report excerpt that I posted, because it was written by a female officer, not a male.

If you think that five police officers are going to falsify their reports (which will be used in court and be subject to the scrutiny of any opposing attorneys) regarding an incident with that many witnesses and cameras, than you are just out of touch.

Now, please back up your claim and show me where I blindly supported the cops.

[ChrisTheCop]

Woah, slow down...that is way too much info. Maybe I should blindly (see what I did there, I highlighted the part where you blindly believe the cops because you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that is what you are doing) believe all of this crap because a cop wrote it in his report. I mean they went to school for it so they never put stuff in a report unless its true...

Damn, I really blew an opportunity at radio psychic. When the police report was posted I remember wanting to type "how long before someone claims this is falsified and you cant believe what a cop writes"... but then I stopped myself because I couldnt come up with a funny way to say it. I never really thought anyone would say it...I mean most of what he says in the report is ON THE VIDEO. lol. Crap, I blew it.

[The Silencer]

fuck police brutality...if the guy wasnt a dickhead and got off the stage, the police would have let him go...but when you run away from 2 police officers and shove a women police officer, thats when you cross the line!

I love when the big black cop came and pushed him on the ground and he was crying for help!

[Zorro]

Actually, like I kinda said before, if you're talking about actual anti-cop sentiment, it's usually from the so-called libertarians as opposed to "liberals." They're the ones who are really gung-ho about the "fuck authority" thing to the degree you seem to be talking about, and others seem to be implying.

Disagree...when was the last time you saw a group of Libertarians out protesting the police? It's a Liberal thing to protest cops. Libertarians usually reserve their rancor for politicians.

[Furtherman]

It's a Liberal thing to protest cops.

That's idiotic. I know plenty of self proclaimed "liberals" who admire and respect the police. I also know some self proclaimed "conservatives" who have seen a jail cell a few times and will be quick to say they don't trust cops.

People who protest cops are assholes. That's the only label that fits.

[Thrice]

That's idiotic. I know plenty of self proclaimed "liberals" who admire and respect the police. I also know some self proclaimed "conservatives" who have seen a jail cell a few times and will be quick to say they don't trust cops.

People who protest cops are assholes. That's the only label that fits.

Yes because cops are perfect. They should never be second guessed and they always do the right thing.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/09/12/chetry.kid.pulled.over.dashcam.cnn

[Furtherman]

Yes because cops are perfect. They should never be second guessed and they always do the right thing.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/09/12/chetry.kid.pulled.over.dashcam.cnn

I am happy you posted that. Because that kid is another asshole.

Do you know the backstory to this kid? Well, it seems he got pulled over a couple of weeks before and didn't like the fact that he got a ticket or the tone of the officer's voice.

So what he did was put that camera in his car and went looking to find some angry cops.

The clip in question that you posted - have you seen the unedited version.

At the drunk driving checkpoint the cops asks where he is headed.

The kid says "I don't wish to discuss my personal life with you officer."

BAM - right there the kid starts rolling his shit downhill until it gathers into a big mess and waste of time for the officers in question. Yea, they yelled and threatened, but he was being totally uncooperative.

Those cops are out there to save lives. To stop drunk drivers from killing. Even killing assholes like this kid.

Fuck that kid. Fuck that college kid. They jusy have a chip on their shoulder and their bothering the people whose job is to keep us safe because someone yelled at them to loud. Boo-frinkin'-hoo, he needs a good tasin' too.

[Thrice]

I am happy you posted that. Because that kid is another asshole.

Do you know the backstory to this kid? Well, it seems he got pulled over a couple of weeks before and didn't like the fact that he got a ticket or the tone of the officer's voice.

So what he did was put that camera in his car and went looking to find some angry cops.

The clip in question that you posted - have you seen the unedited version.

At the drunk driving checkpoint the cops asks where he is headed.

The kid says "I don't wish to discuss my personal life with you officer."

BAM - right there the kid starts rolling his shit downhill until it gathers into a big mess and waste of time for the officers in question. Yea, they yelled and threatened, but he was being totally uncooperative.

Those cops are out there to save lives. To stop drunk drivers from killing. Even killing assholes like this kid.

Fuck that kid. Fuck that college kid. They jusy have a chip on their shoulder and their bothering the people whose job is to keep us safe because someone yelled at them to loud. Boo-frinkin'-hoo, he needs a good tasin' too.

Brett Darrow was parked in a parking lot when the officer "pulled him over." There was no checkpoint.

Do you actually research this shit before you throw it up against the wall?

http://www.bnd.com/336/story/133994.html

Now that the cop in question has been fired do you still think he was in the right?

[Furtherman]

Brett Darrow was parked in a parking lot when the officer "pulled him over." There was no checkpoint.

Do you actually research this shit before you throw it up against the wall?

http://www.bnd.com/336/story/133994.html

Now that the cop in question has been fired do you still think he was in the right?

As a matter of fact I do. I thought it was in a park & ride, but when I did look it up and found this transcript along with the story, it says he was stopped at a checkpoint.

St. Louis County, Missouri threaten to arrest a teenager for refusing to discuss his personal travel plans. (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp)

Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2585482423715017278)


And I do not know if the cop was fired. It would be a shame if he was. But the fact is this kid prodded and refused to cooperate with the officers. Who knows what kind of day they had, who knows what their story is - but this kid pissed him off.

But all he had to say was "I'm going home" or "I'm going to a friends house" but NO, he was looking for a fight, and if you question anyone enough you're gonna piss them off.

No one is courteous and proffessional 100% of the time in any job. It's just human nature. But that kid went looking for trouble and he found it.

It was the kid who is wrong.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I love the educated guys in the world who get pulled over and given a speeding ticket or caught at a DUI checkpoint, then go home and call up their friends talking about how all cops are general fascist assholes who are busting in on their personal freedoms, maaan. Yeah. That one experience with that one cop in that one town is the basis by which you should judge thousands of men and women who are doing their job. I call that GOOD JUDGMENT MAKING!!!! Friend of mine currently hates all cops because this one cop arrested her brother for DUI even though he was walking home... or that one cop arrested that woman for putting too much salt on his burger. Yeah, there are some shitty cops who twist things around and are assholes, but you don't know most cops so who are you to say you should start hating a whole group based upon the actions of one or two of them?

I'd personally rather get the tazer than get beat the fuck out of by the cops or get my shoulder dislocated because my constant flailing forced the cops to restrain me harder. In most cases, receiving a lasting bruise or injury of some other kind from a tazer is rare. I love the ignoramus statements that the cops have "unprecedented authority" to do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it for any reason they can "invent". Yeah sure. The cops who still use the anal/vaginal pear for interrogations in South America are better than the cops here who have "unprecedented authority". Sure. Read up on your history books a little and realize how fucking wrong you are when you say that. Or don't and act like you're an authority, because reading is the tool of the ignorant, right? If it's not written by you, then it's an agenda-driven lie. That's the universal bullshit excuse used by any guy who gets backed into a corner by raw DATA.

I think Kent State was a little worse (And both sides were wrong at Kent State in that the radical students went too far by burning down buildings and pelting soldiers with shit, and the soldiers obviously went too far because they should not have fired unless directly threatened and the kids who got killed had nothing to do with the library and ROTC burnings). I think the authority policemen had in Prohibition-Era Chicago was a little more stringent, authoritarian, and whatever else. They were also oftentimes more corrupt. Today any cop who does anything gets reported, news is on their ass, and they are publicly lambasted by the press and by elements within their departments on a level that I daresay is what the term unprecedented most accurately applies to.

Finally, I think this attitude of over-reacting (yes, I believe all the people outraged that some kid screaming his head off at a press conference and subsequently physically resisting police officers got tazed are over-reacting) and stating that this is endemic of the Hitler Times To Come America Edition is completely out of touch with reality. For instance, one of the cops was waiting for orders from his superior to taze the kid while he was thrashing around. In ye oldern days, you just would have tazed him... or hit him with the billy club, which you know, was less violent and brutalizing than a tazer. :dry: This waiting actually puts the officers at more risk. What if the kid managed to push off one of the cops, pull the gun from their holster and start firing while waiting for the O.K.? Suddenly the cops would be assholes because they took too long to taze him. There's a similar problem going on in Iraq with Marines not being allowed to return fire until getting the O.K. confirmation from CO's to return fire. I think alot of people are dying who don't need to because of this. So the whole idea that the guys with guns who have American flags on their uniforms are the Gestapo is ludicrous to me.

[Thrice]

As a matter of fact I do. I thought it was in a park & ride, but when I did look it up and found this transcript along with the story, it says he was stopped at a checkpoint.

St. Louis County, Missouri threaten to arrest a teenager for refusing to discuss his personal travel plans. (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp)

Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2585482423715017278)


And I do not know if the cop was fired. It would be a shame if he was. But the fact is this kid prodded and refused to cooperate with the officers. Who knows what kind of day they had, who knows what their story is - but this kid pissed him off.

But all he had to say was "I'm going home" or "I'm going to a friends house" but NO, he was looking for a fight, and if you question anyone enough you're gonna piss them off.

No one is courteous and proffessional 100% of the time in any job. It's just human nature. But that kid went looking for trouble and he found it.

It was the kid who is wrong.

The story and video you're referencing is NOT the same incident as the video link I provided.

Here is a link to the story I originally posted.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

Same driver, different officer, much different outcome.

The officer in the situation in 9/7/07 absolutely deserved to be fired.

http://www.bnd.com/336/story/133994.html

Uhrig said he recommended that aldermen fire Kuehnlein based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy. That's because Kuehnlein should have been taping the encounter himself with his police car's camera.

No such footage could be found, though the camera is functional, Uhrig said.


Uhrig is the Chief of Police.

Maybe we should ask the cops that visit this forum if it is common policy to threaten to falsify charges on someone just because they are having a bad day or don't like the tone of someone's voice?

I think it's more than troubling that in BOTH videos the cops threaten to trumph up charges on someone who has not committed a crime but I'm sure you don't.

[sailor]

Same driver, different officer, much different outcome.

wow, what a coincidence.

[Thrice]

wow, what a coincidence.

A dick is a dick is a dick.

That doesn't make what the cop did right, at all.

[ChrisTheCop]

That was the same kid? cmon...what a dope.

But ok. The first guy was a disgrace. I mean, cops are human, so they can fly off the handle like anyone, especially when provoked by a wanna be internet star. He didnt put his hands on the kid, he just let his "give this kid a talkin to" go way outta line. The kid tested the cop's patience, and the cop failed, miserably. I dont know if he deserved to be fired for losing his cool; there are certainly other ways to punish unprofessional, threatening conduct. But I guess if he violated department policy by not taping, or perhaps even tampering with the tape of, the incident... coupled with the behavior...ok. He gets what he gets.

I couldnt really hear much of the 2nd video, but what I did hear I didnt hear any threats to (trump) up the charges. But if you say so, I'll believe u, because again I couldnt hear after the kid tried his best at provoking a confrontation, and failed.

There are bad people in any profession. There are probably some in YOUR profession. I dont think anyone would say its wrong to question police officer's conduct in certain situations. What I believe people are upset about is those who question a cops every move, and sees cops as evil, power hungry, psychopaths (even with the"I support our troops" cover). It's just not so, and if you opened your mind along with your eyes, youd see there are more good than bad. And a situation like the tasering (this IS the taser thread isnt it?) was handled correcly, though not perfectly: correctly.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7060/donttasemechrisko3.jpg

I'm sorry. I'm just so sorry.

[ChrisTheCop]

ha...but wait...when did i get married???

well, i guess that explains who i'm tasering.

(thanx for the new avatar Matt)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Picky, picky, picky.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4521/donttase2hu1.jpg

And here's a clearer avatar.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4822/taseavatarqx9.jpg

[torker]

Some pre-taser options:
http://www.craphound.com/images/rubberslapper.jpg

[underdog]

They just played the clip on Best Week Ever and right when the kid goes "Don't taze me, bro," some kid in the background just starts laughing. Its fucking hilarious.

[scottinnj]

No offense? This attitude has got to be some sort of sociopathy.
Oh here we go, thank you for the diagnosis, Captain Know it all.
It's fucking ridiculous. I'm tired and I don't really know what to say, but you are condemning my wife and my friends, so I take this shit personally.
WHY? I didn't CONDEMN anyone, and does you're wife and "freinds" (I'm assuming they are cops too) live where I said the PROBLEM COPS are?
You are also condeming every other cop in the country with this bullshit.
No I'm not. I'm talking about NEW JERSEY STATE TROOPERS and the LOCAL POLICE here in ATLANTIC COUNTY, NEW JERSEY!
If you can't stand cops than don't ever fucking ask for help from one
I don't.
or appreciate the fact that you can move through your neighborhood without it being Beirut.
Well, the local cops did a DAMN FINE JOB stopping the Atlantic City football team and it's fans last Saturday night at Northfield's first home game of the season. Looked just like downtown Beruit when the game was over, including all the shit on the bathroom knobs and the visitor's bleachers covered in trash and puke by game's end. Real effective police work-tons of trash and shit, and tons of overtime for the local yocals.
Don't worry, they'll help you anyway.
Damn right about that-our pesky Constitution demands that when REAL crime happens, officer Johnson has to let the granny in the Caddy with a broken taillight go to respond to the crime. "protect and serve" and I bet the "serve" part really gets on your nerves.

[scottinnj]

Even though this board is full of hippies, LIBERALS, and pot heads, I know that for every ScottinNJ or FCD, there are a dozen who appreciate the work done every day by our men and women in uniform.



Oooh! Sooooorrrrry!

You don't get credit because you didn't form your answer in the form of a question. Had you ASKED, you would discover that Scottinnj is a conservative, registered Republican.
(oh shit, I'm talking in third person. Sorry Fat_Sunny!

I'm to the right of Cartman when it comes to Hippies.

My kids DVR "Cops". I guess you guys have a purpose. Just quit tailgating me on the fucking AC Expressway!

[ChrisTheCop]

Oooh! Sooooorrrrry!

You don't get credit because you didn't form your answer in the form of a question. Had you ASKED, you would discover that Scottinnj is a conservative, registered Republican.
(oh shit, I'm talking in third person. Sorry Fat_Sunny!

I'm to the right of Cartman when it comes to Hippies.

My kids DVR "Cops". I guess you guys have a purpose. Just quit tailgating me on the fucking AC Expressway!

Ok then. Where does the disrespect for cops come from then? Please give a serious answer. Where did the cops fail you or do to you personally?

[mikeyboy]

Tensions seem to be a tad high in this thread again. Please try to keep it civil.

XOXOXOXOX,

Mikey

[Yerdaddy]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/la_riots/king_rodney.jpg

"What's all the hubbub about?"

[ChrisTheCop]

God dammit.. every time it starts to get interesting... these damn thread cops come in here and...OH WAIT!! I SEE WHAT YOU GUYS MEAN NOW!!!!!

I hate authority too. You win.

[underdog]

Tensions seem to be a tad high in this thread again. Please try to keep it civil.

You're right, Mikeyboy.

I think everyone is missing the point of this post. A douchebag got tazered. That's funny. And the fact that Kerry kept rambling while it all went on like anyone cared what he said is also funny.

[TheMojoPin]

Disagree...when was the last time you saw a group of Libertarians out protesting the police? It's a Liberal thing to protest cops. Libertarians usually reserve their rancor for politicians.

True Libertarians don't like the police forces we have now at all and would prefer if law enforcement was handled by citizen police forces and militias. Granted, the bastardized American form of Libertarianism tends to shy away from this, but some of the hardcores no doubt long for such a day. It makes no sense to say that Liberals want to "do away" with cops or just "protest cops" in general. Liberals expect the government to care for its citizens, and a police force is a necessary part of that. What Liberals do tend to protest are cases of perceived police brutality or abuse of power...but to say that they're generally "anti-police" as if they don't want them around at all simply is not the case.

[SinA]

I just saw "Children of Men" which will change the way I look a at things from now on...

Sure, the kid was (is) a douche, but there are ways to deal with douches that don't involve high-voltage electrocution. When our "protectors" are so disillusioned that they think it's ok to use potentially deadly force to maintain quiet in an auditorium.... we're all fucked brother.

[TheMojoPin]

I just saw "Children of Men" which will change the way I look a at things from now on...

Sure, the kid was (is) a douche, but there are ways to deal with douches that don't involve high-voltage electrocution. When our "protectors" are so disillusioned that they think it's ok to use potentially deadly force to maintain quiet in an auditorium.... we're all fucked brother.

OK, so your first point is that a very well-made sci-fi movie about a fascist future deprived of children is changing your opinion about a kid who went out of his way to make a scene at a political Q&A and got zapped when he continued to resist the officers? Alright then...

Secondly, to toss out "potentially deadly force" as if tazers are designed to easily kill someone is really stretching things. Tazers are specifically designed to avoid using deadly force. Yes, there is the off chance something could go wrong...but there's the off chance that something could go wrong with ANYTHING a cop has at their disposal to remove someone who is resisting their commands repeatedly or being a threat. What are cops supposed to use then? Even their hands could "potentially be deadly."

Thirdly, it wasn't just to "maintain quiet."

[ChrisTheCop]

we're all fucked bro.

fixed it for ya.

[Crispy123]

Damn, I really blew an opportunity at radio psychic. When the police report was posted I remember wanting to type "how long before someone claims this is falsified and you cant believe what a cop writes"... but then I stopped myself because I couldnt come up with a funny way to say it. I never really thought anyone would say it...I mean most of what he says in the report is ON THE VIDEO. lol. Crap, I blew it.

Hey there Mr Radio Psychotic, I never said the report was falsified. I simply stated that when your buddy Dipshitworthy presented his "evidence" to back his claim up it was a police report. If that is what you believe is the gospel truth, more power to you. I don't, all I can go on is the video and like I said before it certainly does not come anywhere close to presenting a complete picture as to what went on.

[TheMojoPin]

Hey there Mr Radio Psychotic, I never said the report was falsified. I simply stated that when your buddy Dipshitworthy

Knock off the names.

[sailor]

Hey there Mr Radio Psychotic, I never said the report was falsified. I simply stated that when your buddy Dipshitworthy presented his "evidence" to back his claim up it was a police report. If that is what you believe is the gospel truth, more power to you. I don't, all I can go on is the video and like I said before it certainly does not come anywhere close to presenting a complete picture as to what went on.

you say "i never said the report was falsified" then you imply you don't believe it and say "all I can go on is the video." which is it?

[Crispy123]

Knock of the names.

Im assuming you meant off...

That first one was a play on psychic and not really meant as an insult, but the second one was for the guy who told me Im talkin out my ass...soooo...He started it!!! :smile::smile::smile:

you say "i never said the report was falsified" then you imply you don't believe it and say "all I can go on is the video." which is it?

I don't blindly believe anything that someone writes down or tells me. If the review comes back and supports this police report, which I think it will, then I will put more stock in it. To present it as "evidence" that this is exactly what happened at this point is a little premature.

[sailor]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"]I don't blindly believe anything that someone writes down or tells me. If the review comes back and supports this police report, which I think it will, then I will put more stock in it. To present it as "evidence" that this is exactly what happened at this point is a little premature.

just saying you had nothing but the video sounded like you put zero credibility in the report.

[Crispy123]

just saying you had nothing but the video sounded like you put zero credibility in the report.

I wouldn't say zero but there is such a thing as CYA and Florida Law Enforcement are reviewing the situation...

[sailor]

I wouldn't say zero but there is such a thing as CYA and Florida Law Enforcement are reviewing the situation...

i understand what you're saying. your wording at first just sounded much more dismissive.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't know who to believe. Both of you have such big, dark fonts.

[TheMojoPin]

Im assuming you meant off...

That first one was a play on psychic and not really meant as an insult, but the second one was for the guy who told me Im talkin out my ass...soooo...He started it!!! :smile::smile::smile:

Damn my typos.

But saying someone is "talkin out their ass" is attacking the argument, albeit pretty crudely. Calling someone names is simply attacking the poster and nothing else.

[SinA]

Secondly, to toss out "potentially deadly force" as if tazers are designed to easily kill someone is really stretching things. Tazers are specifically designed to avoid using deadly force. Yes, there is the off chance something could go wrong...but there's the off chance that something could go wrong with ANYTHING a cop has at their disposal to remove someone who is resisting their commands repeatedly or being a threat. What are cops supposed to use then? Even their hands could "potentially be deadly."

Thirdly, it wasn't just to "maintain quiet."

That's what they want you to believe... MAN !!!

That's why I said "potentially deadly." Sure a headlock could be deadly, but the chances go up drastically when electrical devices are introduced. I think they should try to keep to less dangerous methods of restraint when their dealing with douchbags.

And you're right that it wasn't just to maintain quiet. It was also to... wait, what else was it about?

[SinA]

we're all fucked bro.

fixed it for ya.


can i get that as a mod-quote?

[sailor]

I think they should try to keep to less dangerous methods of restraint when their dealing with douchbags.

but the tazers were introduced to be the less dangerous alternative.

[TheMojoPin]

but the tazers were introduced to be the less dangerous alternative.

Exactly. That's precisely why so many cops use mace, pepper spray and tazers now, yet people still act like they're all tools that are just barely not killing scores of people.

[JimBeam]

I didn't watch the vid yet but i've gotten the idea from most of the posts and I can assure you that the idea of tazering somebody was not meant for some clown college kid asking questions and being the ass.

Politics aside I dont care who was on the stage there was no reason for that.

6 cops can't physically escort one male away ?

Is that why they're working a campus security gig ?

Now putting it back into a " political " perspective would all thsoe in favor of the tazing have been so for it if something similar happened at the Cindy Sheehan demonstrations ?

Or would that have been considered part of the oppresive republican war machine ?

What if it was done to somebody marching against/for that Jen 6 issue ?

Clearly perspective is shaping how people feel about this.

Now I don't think it's a gross violation of basic human rights but I bet this kid get's himself a nice little settlment.

The escalation of force, based on the ratio of trained professionals to troublemakers, is way out of wack.

Now I must go watch the vid because I wanna hear the scream for help.

[TheMojoPin]

Now putting it back into a " political " perspective would all thsoe in favor of the tazing have been so for it if something similar happened at the Cindy Sheehan demonstrations .?

If the person they were trying to move was thrashing around and basically a threat to hit them at any moment and not stopping resisting, then yes. A bunch of people grabbing a thrashing dude is still likely to get hit or hurt or knocked around...why should they have to put up with that?

[JimBeam]

Because that's their job. To protect people from themselves as much as they have to protect others.

While te Rodney King beating was far more severe there was an opinion at the time that he was a major threat and should've been subdued in any way possible. That turned out to be incorrect.

I held that opinion before I had graduated a police academy but after going through the use of force courses and the training there's no way that was in any way what needed to be done.

A good tuning up is good though especially after a long chase.

Reminds me of some comedians bit ( I think it was Chris Rock but it might've been Dave Chappelle ) where he was pleading w/ black people to turn down their radios and not to run when the police pull them over because as he put it " if Whitey has to run he's bringing an ass-kicking w/ him "

[Crispy123]

Reminds me of some comedians bit ( I think it was Chris Rock but it might've been Dave Chappelle ) where he was pleading w/ black people to turn down their radios and not to run when the police pull them over because as he put it " if Whitey has to run he's bringing an ass-kicking w/ him "

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[TheMojoPin]

Because that's their job. To protect people from themselves as much as they have to protect others.

Their job is to keep the peace. To do that, it was decided this guy needed to be removed. He told to do so and refused. They moved to remove him and he resisted. You'll notice more and more officers were attempted to do so, telling him to knock it off, yet he continues to yell and push and shove and thrash. He is in no way complying with what he's been told to do, and he is physical resisiting more and more. And half of your statement makes no sense..."to protect people from themselves?" What does that even mean?

While te Rodney King beating was far more severe there was an opinion at the time that he was a major threat and should've been subdued in any way possible.

Which has what to do with this? Nobody is saying this kid was a "major threat" or that he needed to be "subdued in any way possible." Police officers have tazers for exactly this kind of situation...so they DON'T have to to go to extreme lengths to subdue anyone a la King. People are responded like tazers are supposed to be this last ditch items that cops have, and that's not why they have them. They have them because they are a much better and safer alternative (for the cops, suspects and bystanders) than anything else they have at their disposal.

[sailor]

Which has what to do with this? Nobody is saying this kid was a "major threat" or that he needed to be "subdued in any way possible." Police officers have tazers for exactly this kind of situation...so they DON'T have to to go to extreme lengths to subdue anyone a la King. People are responded like tazers are supposed to be this last ditch items that cops have, and that's not why they have them. They have them because they are a much better and safer alternative (for the cops, suspects and bystanders) than anything else they have at their disposal.

damn. now i'm starvin'!

[moochcassidy]

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_bv/don-imus-242.jpg

"dont taze me nappy headed ho"

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_bv/don-imus-242.jpg

"dont taze me nappy headed ho"

...you were saying something about trying too hard?

[moochcassidy]

...you were saying something about trying too hard?

youre really not very good at this..you shouldve kept your powder dry for an audio bit or something that actually took some work.

sometime youre so dull it takes half the fun out of it

[Tenbatsuzen]

youre really not very good at this..you shouldve kept your powder dry for an audio bit or something that actually took some work.

sometime youre so dull it takes half the fun out of it

Something that actually took work... like about an hour in photoshop that you just pissed over with no remorse?

You went for a five month old reference with almost zero heat, and you wedged extra syllables in there.

You would have gotten it if you left out "nappy headed" and left it at "don't taze me, ho!"

The point is Mooch, you really shouldn't be dispensing comedy advice.

[moochcassidy]

you spent an hour on that piece a shite?

[Tenbatsuzen]

you spent an hour on that piece a shite?

The best part about this is that you're so smalldicked you're carrying a grudge from five months ago. I see what this is about now - you're just bitter because I was right.

[moochcassidy]

The best part about this is that you're so smalldicked you're carrying a grudge from five months ago. I see what this is about now - you're just bitter because I was right.


no grudge pal..just a general distaste.

so i didnt find your photoshop funny... who gives a shit? dont fuckin obsess on it.


edit- id be more worried about the fact that most people think your a cunt

[Tenbatsuzen]

no grudge pal..just a general distaste.

so i didnt find your photoshop funny... who gives a shit? dont fuckin obsess on it.


edit- id be more worried about the fact that most people think your a cunt

Mooch, if you did or didn't find it funny, that's fine. But you took a shot at it which really didn't sit right with me and then went after it again.

It's not the first time you've gone after me, and it's not the first time that you've been flat out wrong about me.

And again, I'm amused by the fact that you talk about me with "most people." You do realize that the only time your name has come up in conversation with people that matter is... well, never, really.

[torker]

most people think your a cunt
Can we open that to a poll?

[moochcassidy]

Can we open that to a poll?

my thoughts exactly

we dont need to be overt in the wording..

id like to see where most people stand on 'Issue C'

[Tenbatsuzen]

my thoughts exactly

we dont need to be overt in the wording..

id like to see where most people stand on 'Issue C'

...and do you really, honestly think that the results would matter two shits to me, you dumb prick? The first person to admit that I'm an asshole is me, you idiot.

Hell, I'd put it up myself. Only problem? I don't care enough to.

As I said, I'm actually weirdly honored that you put me on that high of a pedestal that you discuss me at length enough to form deep-seeded opinions. Also shows me how worthless and socially retarded you are. But to each his own.

[TheMojoPin]

Enough, punks.

[Judge Smails]

Enough, punks.

Don't make him have to tase you, bros!

[BMoses]

Enough, punks.

You don't expect me to come up with my own entertainment over here do you? Thanks for nothing Mojo

[scottinnj]

Ok then. Where does the disrespect for cops come from then? Please give a serious answer. Where did the cops fail you or do to you personally?


Personally give my wife a ticket for an illegal u turn in Ogden Kansas-it was bullshit because she pulled into the post office's parking lot. She took it to court and the doucebag didn't even show up. So it got thrown out. Good for me, but it was part of a system where a town that was 1/2 a mile long was once on the Guiness Book of World's Records for most revenue raised for nuisance (my word for it) tickets. 8 cops and 4 patrol cars and the town raised enough money to replace the cop car fleet every two years.

And down here in South Jersey, we had about a year ago two girls (the daughters of my kids' principal) killed when a state trooper ran a stop sign at 90 MPH and tboned their minivan. He was not on a call, he did not have his lights or sirens on. But since his last name is Higbee, the FOP and his chain of command made up a story saying he was "closing the distance" on a speeder who he had clocked at 65 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. Unfortunately, that doesn't hold water, because where he had hit the girls, the road he is on at that intersection crosses with a county highway, and if he was "in hot pursuit" of the phantom speeder, he would have been aware of that and slowed down to turn onto the road. He didn't, ran the stop sign and killed two teenage girls. His lawyer said he was "unfamiliar" with the area. Bullshit. If you have lived in southern Atlantic County or Cape May County, you have been down that road unless you are hermit or a shut-in. The media didn't get a copy of the accident report for 3 months, and only then did the outcry from the public become so strong the Cape May County DA finally opened up a grand jury to investigate and indict the trooper.

Press Release Here (http://www.njlawman.com/news/Capemaytrooper.htm)

KYW TV story of beginning of legal proceedings here.
(http://cbs3.com/capemay/local_story_074081904.html)

The two girls were killed in September 2006, and the cop didn't get indicted until March 2007.

And that's just one of many. You know about the troopers driving Governor Corzine from Atlantic City to his mansion when they crashed. Don't try pinning it on the guy that was trying to pull over out of the way. New Jersey State Police are just aggressive drivers with no high speed skills.

Or during the Whitman governorship, when the black kids got shot by the state troopers. It was great PR for the state when the "profiling" debate ensued, and she was photographed "patting down" a black kid for the press. Wonderful.

Or over in Mays Landing, NJ where a cop responding to a call heading northbound on SR-50 has the call cancelled. He turns off his lights and sirens just south of the U.S. 322 interchange, but doesn't slow down, then after crossing over that he tbones the father of the Egg Harbor City Police Chief, killing him. Still waiting for the "investigation" to be done on that, which happened last spring.

And the CONSTANT parade of troopers east and west on the AC Expressway, doing 90 mph going where? To the barracks at the Farley Service Plaza. Not on a call, not chasing down a speeder, just going to the barracks to eat lunch or go off duty. And heaven forbid you're in the left lane passing another car. They'll pull up so close behind you it feels like you're being bump drafted down the back straightaway at Daytona or Talladega.

I've got more dude, you want more?

P.S. the kid was a douche and deserved to be tased. Just wanted to reiterate that point.

[PapaBear]

Those cases sound like good reason to hate those particular cops, but not cops in general. I can think of way more cases in which cops have done good things for me personally, or people in my life. There are dirt bags in every profession. That doesn't make all the people in those professions dirt bags.

[scottinnj]

I just saw "Children of Men" which will change the way I look a at things from now on...



My seminal moment was watching "Logan's Run" and I couldn't believe the state would kill such a hottie as Jenny Agutter just because she turned 30.................
It was also one of the first movies I saw that had naked boobies. I'll never trust the government's judgment again.


http://www.kornea.com/kimages/agutter.jpg


http://www.robbscelebs.co.uk/noops027/logans_run059.jpg

[scottinnj]

Those cases sound like good reason to hate those particular cops, but not cops in general. I can think of way more cases in which cops have done good things for me personally, or people in my life. There are dirt bags in every profession. That doesn't make all the people in those professions dirt bags.


Oh, I never said "hate" I don't hate cops. I just don't trust them. That's why the "No Offense" statement was invoked. Sort of like saying "no homo" before I.....

Wait. Forget that. NO HOMO!

[PapaBear]

True. You didn't say "hate". I think someone did at some point, but this thread is too annoying to read again. BTW... I have a Jenny Agutter folder somewhere on my comp. Freaking crazy about her!

[scottinnj]

True. You didn't say "hate". I think someone did at some point, but this thread is too annoying to read again. BTW... I have a Jenny Agutter folder somewhere on my comp. Freaking crazy about her!


I know what you mean. I went back to reread my post just to make sure I didn't say that. If I had had said "hate" I would owe Chris the Cop a HUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE apology.

Please post the Agutter pics someplace, like in the Movies thread. A lot of these kids have no IDEA what sexy means.

[torker]

My seminal moment was watching "Logan's Run" and I couldn't believe the state would kill such a hottie as Jenny Agutter just because she turned 30.................
It was also one of the first movies I saw that had naked boobies. I'll never trust the government's judgment again.


http://www.kornea.com/kimages/agutter.jpg


http://www.robbscelebs.co.uk/noops027/logans_run059.jpg:thumbup:

[ChrisTheCop]

Personally give my wife a ticket for an illegal u turn in Ogden Kansas-it was bullshit because she pulled into the post office's parking lot. She took it to court and the doucebag didn't even show up. So it got thrown out. Good for me, but it was part of a system where a town that was 1/2 a mile long was once on the Guiness Book of World's Records for most revenue raised for nuisance (my word for it) tickets. 8 cops and 4 patrol cars and the town raised enough money to replace the cop car fleet every two years.

And down here in South Jersey, we had about a year ago two girls (the daughters of my kids' principal) killed when a state trooper ran a stop sign at 90 MPH and tboned their minivan. He was not on a call, he did not have his lights or sirens on. But since his last name is Higbee, the FOP and his chain of command made up a story saying he was "closing the distance" on a speeder who he had clocked at 65 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. Unfortunately, that doesn't hold water, because where he had hit the girls, the road he is on at that intersection crosses with a county highway, and if he was "in hot pursuit" of the phantom speeder, he would have been aware of that and slowed down to turn onto the road. He didn't, ran the stop sign and killed two teenage girls. His lawyer said he was "unfamiliar" with the area. Bullshit. If you have lived in southern Atlantic County or Cape May County, you have been down that road unless you are hermit or a shut-in. The media didn't get a copy of the accident report for 3 months, and only then did the outcry from the public become so strong the Cape May County DA finally opened up a grand jury to investigate and indict the trooper.

Press Release Here (http://www.njlawman.com/news/Capemaytrooper.htm)

KYW TV story of beginning of legal proceedings here.
(http://cbs3.com/capemay/local_story_074081904.html)

The two girls were killed in September 2006, and the cop didn't get indicted until March 2007.

And that's just one of many. You know about the troopers driving Governor Corzine from Atlantic City to his mansion when they crashed. Don't try pinning it on the guy that was trying to pull over out of the way. New Jersey State Police are just aggressive drivers with no high speed skills.

Or during the Whitman governorship, when the black kids got shot by the state troopers. It was great PR for the state when the "profiling" debate ensued, and she was photographed "patting down" a black kid for the press. Wonderful.

Or over in Mays Landing, NJ where a cop responding to a call heading northbound on SR-50 has the call cancelled. He turns off his lights and sirens just south of the U.S. 322 interchange, but doesn't slow down, then after crossing over that he tbones the father of the Egg Harbor City Police Chief, killing him. Still waiting for the "investigation" to be done on that, which happened last spring.

And the CONSTANT parade of troopers east and west on the AC Expressway, doing 90 mph going where? To the barracks at the Farley Service Plaza. Not on a call, not chasing down a speeder, just going to the barracks to eat lunch or go off duty. And heaven forbid you're in the left lane passing another car. They'll pull up so close behind you it feels like you're being bump drafted down the back straightaway at Daytona or Talladega.

I've got more dude, you want more?

P.S. the kid was a douche and deserved to be tased. Just wanted to reiterate that point.

ok...so after typing all that... do you realize you still didnt answer my question? But ok... I'll accept one as a personal affront to you; your wife, making an admittedly illegal uturn, and getting caught. Does that mean youre mad at all wives too? The cop didnt even show up at court... cant you even be happy about that? No..he's a dick. I wish he showed up so I could pay the fine.
FYI- assuming that every cent that the cops raise goes to getting new police cars (big assumption), but lets assume it... shouldnt the taxpayers be happy that the money isnt coming from somewhere else? The cops that issue the tickets arent the problem; its the politicians. If they set forth an edict that cops have to write certain summonses in order to maintain the department, then the cop that doesnt do so will be fired. Will you be his pal then?

Back to your list... I can write a bad act list of plumbers, electricians, teachers, doctors, radio show hosts, even astronauts... does that mean we shouldnt trust or respect any others of the same profession?

I can also write a list of good things cops I know PERSONALLY have done... do you want me to...dude???

[ChrisTheCop]

I didn't watch the vid yet but i've gotten the idea from most of the posts and I can assure you that the idea of tazering somebody was not meant for some clown college kid asking questions and being the ass.

Politics aside I dont care who was on the stage there was no reason for that.

6 cops can't physically escort one male away ?

Is that why they're working a campus security gig ?

Now putting it back into a " political " perspective would all thsoe in favor of the tazing have been so for it if something similar happened at the Cindy Sheehan demonstrations ?

Or would that have been considered part of the oppresive republican war machine ?

What if it was done to somebody marching against/for that Jen 6 issue ?

Clearly perspective is shaping how people feel about this.

Now I don't think it's a gross violation of basic human rights but I bet this kid get's himself a nice little settlment.

The escalation of force, based on the ratio of trained professionals to troublemakers, is way out of wack.

Now I must go watch the vid because I wanna hear the scream for help.

I havent gone to the moon... but let me tell ya about it anyway.

What did you think NOW that youve seen it?

[suggums]

I havent gone to the moon... but let me tell ya about it anyway.

What did you think NOW that youve seen it?

christheastronomer? people can occasionally make informed opinions without first-hand experience

[ChrisTheCop]

christheastronomer? people can occasionally make informed opinions without first-hand experience

yes, but th evideo is RIGHT there. Why not watch it b4 commenting on it?

[sailor]

ok...so after typing all that... do you realize you still didnt answer my question? But ok... I'll accept one as a personal affront to you; your wife, making an admittedly illegal uturn, and getting caught. Does that mean youre mad at all wives too? The cop didnt even show up at court... cant you even be happy about that? No..he's a dick. I wish he showed up so I could pay the fine.
FYI- assuming that every cent that the cops raise goes to getting new police cars (big assumption), but lets assume it... shouldnt the taxpayers be happy that the money isnt coming from somewhere else? The cops that issue the tickets arent the problem; its the politicians. If they set forth an edict that cops have to write certain summonses in order to maintain the department, then the cop that doesnt do so will be fired. Will you be his pal then?

Back to your list... I can write a bad act list of plumbers, electricians, teachers, doctors, radio show hosts, even astronauts... does that mean we shouldnt trust or respect any others of the same profession?

I can also write a list of good things cops I know PERSONALLY have done... do you want me to...dude???

i'd like to hear the naughty teacher stories.

[Furtherman]

The story and video you're referencing is NOT the same incident as the video link I provided.

Here is a link to the story I originally posted.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

Same driver, different officer, much different outcome.



So I was right about a park & ride... but still, same driver, different officer? This punk went looking to bait officers and two of them took them bait. You question anyone enough, it'll piss them off.

You may think the officer deserved to be fired but I'd rather have him out on the streets trying to make them safe than some shlub who wouldn't have the stones to get angry and worry about hurting someone's feelings.

[Thrice]

So I was right about a park & ride... but still, same driver, different officer? This punk went looking to bait officers and two of them took them bait. You question anyone enough, it'll piss them off.

You may think the officer deserved to be fired but I'd rather have him out on the streets trying to make them safe than some shlub who wouldn't have the stones to get angry and worry about hurting someone's feelings.

If an officer can be "baited" into breaking official police policies then he should not be on the streets. If we as citizens are expected to follow the rules and laws of the land then the police force that is charged with enforcing those laws have an equal responsibility when it comes to following the rules and policies of their job.

Why do I get the feeling that you're in the camp that thinks there's no such thing as entrapment when it comes to criminals yet you just made a case for one motorist entrapping two different officers?

[Furtherman]

Why do I get the feeling that you're in the camp that thinks there's no such thing as entrapment when it comes to criminals yet you just made a case for one motorist entrapping two different officers?

You're feeling is wrong. But I know an asshole when I hear one and that kid fits the bill.

[scottinnj]

ok...so after typing all that... do you realize you still didnt answer my question? But ok... I'll accept one as a personal affront to you; your wife, making an admittedly illegal uturn, and getting caught. Does that mean youre mad at all wives too? The cop didnt even show up at court... cant you even be happy about that? No..he's a dick. I wish he showed up so I could pay the fine.
Did you even read my post? An admittedly illegal Uturn? No, I did not admit it was an illegal U-turn, in fact THE OPPOSITE! It was a turn using the POST OFFICE PARKING LOT, which means my wife left the road, did the turn and the proceeded back. A U-Turn is when you pull over to the shoulder and then turn around and go back the opposite way without leaving the road. How can I be mad at my wife for doing a legal maneuver and getting jacked by the cop for revenue? I am happy the cop didn't show up at court, but you missed my point-I called him a douchebag for issuing the ticket in the first place and having my wife take time off from school to fight it. Yaay! No fine! Boooo! Cop making my wife reschedule her day and then being a DOUCHEBAG for not showing-proof he shouldn't have issued the ticket IN THE FIRST PLACE!
FYI- assuming that every cent that the cops raise goes to getting new police cars (big assumption), but lets assume it... shouldnt the taxpayers be happy that the money isnt coming from somewhere else? The cops that issue the tickets arent the problem; its the politicians. If they set forth an edict that cops have to write certain summonses in order to maintain the department, then the cop that doesnt do so will be fired. Will you be his pal then?
No, because that is another no-brainer. We know it's the politicians who set the policy. But once again, cops just go along instead of allowing the FOP or whoever it is that goes public whining about raises and bennies, how about showing some guts and write an editorial about the problem. With all the "we want a raise" the public just assumes you are in on it for more money for yourselves at the cost of taxpayers.


Back to your list... I can write a bad act list of plumbers, electricians, teachers, doctors, radio show hosts, even astronauts... does that mean we shouldnt trust or respect any others of the same profession?
Of course not. But cops have one thing that those other professionals don't-WEAPONS!
I've never seen a guy shot by plumber over an estimate or thrown in jail by a teacher.
I can sue a doctor. With teachers you just nod and say yes, do what you have to do to pass the course and move on.


I can also write a list of good things cops I know PERSONALLY have done... do you want me to...dude???

Go right ahead. But let me first read you your Miranda Rights!
(That's a joke)