Who is wearing black today for The Jenna Six?

[LordJezo]

Came into work this morning and one of the black women here said she is wearing all black today in support of The Jenna Six thing that's going down today.

Anyone else out there wearing black for the protest that's planned?

[landarch]

What color do I wear to protest the protests?

Maybe a bright cheery color that suggests these friggin busybodies spend a day working at an actual job, rather than stirring up more trouble in Louisiana.

[topless_mike]

screw the Jena 6...

[Death Metal Moe]

Put criminals in jail.

I wear black a lot, it's in support of nothing but the color I like.

[Hottub]

I'm wearing a white shirt today.
Not for any particular reason. Just because I look fantastic. Let people think whatever the fuck they want!



If you commit a crime, you must pay the price.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Theres too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.



Oh... wait. Jena Six?

[topless_mike]

Theres too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.



Oh... wait. Jena Six?

:thumbdown:

[Earlshog]

David Bowie has made a $10,000 (£4,981) donation to a legal defence fund for six black teenagers charged with assault on a white student in the US.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7004151.stm

[drjoek]

thank god for google cuz I had no idea who or what Jena 6 was/is.
I havent owned a black tee shirt since 1978 it was a Little Feat concert t shirt.

hoy hoy

[nate1000]

What color do I wear to protest the protests?

Haven't you been following the story- You wear a noose.

[JackStraw]

Presumably Angelina Jolie......and Earl

[Tall_James]

"Jenna Six"? I thought this was all about Jenna Van Oy who played "Six" on the classic television sitcom "Blossom".

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/mittins/Six025.jpg

I wasn't going to wear black today. However, I was going to wear a big floppy hat with a flower on it to protest her lack of decent acting roles recently.

[Jujubees2]

What color do I wear to protest the protests?

Maybe a bright cheery color that suggests these friggin busybodies spend a day working at an actual job, rather than stirring up more trouble in Louisiana.

Just wear a white sheet. The hood is optional.

[angrymissy]

Why? They beat the living shit out of a kid, jumped him as a gang. This has nothing to do with black or white, they beat the kid so hard he had blood clots in his eyes! What are these protests about????? WTF?!!!

[Dougie Brootal]

fuck the jena 6. they oughta fry those assholes. i kept getting all these myspace bulletins about it so i put one out last week with all thefacts on it and all the black people on my myspace deleted me.


by the way hottub, you do look fantastic!:wub:

[Earlshog]

I'm wearing a white sheet today.
Not for any particular reason. Just because I look fantastic. Let people think whatever the fuck they want!



If you commit a crime, you must pay the price.


fixed

:ohmy:

[Dougie Brootal]

jenna six? id say shes about a four, now.
http://thesuperficial.com/2007/09/jenna_jameson_heatherette_07.jpg

[SinA]

I was wearing all black to support another cause, but I'll go change to all white in support of the kid that the Jena Six kids jumped.

[Jujubees2]

Why? They beat the living shit out of a kid, jumped him as a gang. This has nothing to do with black or white, they beat the kid so hard he had blood clots in his eyes! What are these protests about????? WTF?!!!

Yes, a crime was committed but it's not as black and white as it seems. One of the black kids was tried as an adult when he shouldn't have and the original charges were attempted second degree murder when the white student they beat was harassing them.

And this all started because a black student at the school had to ask permission to sit under a tree that is reserved for whites! Then after nooses where hung on the tree, the District Attorney told the black students not to make a big deal out of it and was quoted as saying "I can make your lives disappear with a stroke of a pen."

Shortly after that a black student was beaten by a white student with a beer bottle and the white student was only charged with simple battery.

[angrymissy]

Yes, a crime was committed but it's not as black and white as it seems. One of the black kids was tried as an adult when he shouldn't have and the original charges were attempted second degree murder when the white student they beat was harassing them.

And this all started because a black student at the school had to ask permission to sit under a tree that is reserved for whites! Then after nooses where hung on the tree, the District Attorney told the black students not to make a big deal out of it and was quoted as saying "I can make your lives disappear with a stroke of a pen."

Shortly after that a black student was beaten by a white student with a beer bottle and the white student was only charged with simple battery.

Where are the facts to back this up? A whites only tree? All I read was that kids hung nooses off of a tree. Does that remove all guilt from these kids and justify a beating? In fact, here is what the US Attorney said:

In late July, U.S. Attorney Donald Washington noted the lack of connection between the noose incident and the beating at Jena High school, noting that the more than 40 statements all failed to mention the noose incident.[8]

A DA saying something like that? Who said the DA said that? The kids that were arrested? Don't those kids also have criminal histories already as well?

I would try them as attempted murder as well. They beat the living shit out of a kid. 6 on 1. I don't care if they're asian/white/black. They stomped on his head. They beat him so badly his eye almost popped out. They jumped him. Why should they get leniency?

[Jujubees2]

Wow, now I know what you go by ANGRYmissy.

Here are some links that I should have included in my last post. And no where did I see that the white kid's eye almost popped out. As a matter of fact, from the NPR story it said:
But the injuries turned out to be superficial. Barker was examined by doctors and released; he went out to a social function later that evening

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=30&num=101615

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12353776

[angrymissy]

Wow, now I know what you go by ANGRYmissy.

Here are some links that I should have included in my last post. And no where did I see that the white kid's eye almost popped out. As a matter of fact, from the NPR story it said:
But the injuries turned out to be superficial. Barker was examined by doctors and released; he went out to a social function later that evening

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=30&num=101615

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12353776

I think it should be taken seriously when 6 kids beat on 1. The injuries were FAR from superficial.


The teens were initially charged with attempted murder after they allegedly knocked out Justin Barker -- a white classmate -- while stomping and kicking him during a school fight on December 4, 2006.

Barker was taken to a hospital with injuries to both eyes and ears, as well as cuts. His right eye had blood clots, said his mother, Kelli Barker.

They beat him badly enough to knock him out and stomped on his head.

Maybe it bothers me because my brother was jumped by a group of kids. He went to the ER and home the same day, but it took him 2 weeks to recover physically.

The main reason I am heated about this is, why should they receive special treatment after they beat a kid so severely. No one has been able to explain why.

That Post article, is it an OPED piece? Because its written incredibly biased. I've been just reading mainstream AP pieces on this case. That whole I can end your life with the stroke of a pen was said to an auditorium full of white AND black students, not just to the black students.

My point is, a beating like that should be taken extremely seriously and dealt with REGARDLESS of race. If it was 6 white kids on 1 black kid, I would hope they would be charged the same.

[Death Metal Moe]

I honestly don't even understand why there's a discussion and protest about this other than scumbags like Rev. Al and Jesse trying to use this to further their own agenda and make themselves more money.

The segregation and racism is a seperate issue here. Deal with that on it's own at a later date.

We're talking about 6 criminals who beat a single guy down. Cowardly, calculated and illegal.

Put them in jail. Period.

[RoyMunson]

I’m not sure how I feel about this, I have heard (read) info on both sides that points to the other side being at fault. But now that the national media has gotten a hold of it we will most likely never know the real truth. The part I don’t understand is why some are treating this as a Civil Rights march, whose civil rights are they marching for? The ONE kid who was charged as an adult was overturned because he was a Juvenile.

[angrymissy]

I honestly don't even understand why there's a discussion and protest about this other than scumbags like Rev. Al and Jesse trying to use this to further their own agenda and make themselves more money.

The segregation and racism is a seperate issue here. Deal with that on it's own at a later date.

We're talking about 6 criminals who beat a single guy down. Cowardly, calculated and illegal.

Put them in jail. Period.

Exactly.

[A.J.]

I honestly don't even understand why there's a discussion and protest about this other than scumbags like Rev. Al and Jesse trying to use this to further their own agenda and make themselves more money.

The segregation and racism is a seperate issue here. Deal with that on it's own at a later date.

We're talking about 6 criminals who beat a single guy down. Cowardly, calculated and illegal.

Put them in jail. Period.

Semi-colon. And let them get gang raped there.

[angrymissy]

JENA — In addition to Mychal Bell's recent felony conviction, his criminal history was revealed Friday to contain four other violent crimes.

Three months prior to that attack, Bell committed two violent crimes while on probation for a battery Christmas Day 2005, according to testimony. Later that same week, he led the Jena Giants to a shutout victory in a football game against the Buckeye Panthers. Bell was adjudicated — the juvenile equivalent to a conviction — of battery Sept. 2 and criminal damage to property Sept. 3, said Cynthia Bradford, LaSalle Parish deputy clerk.

4 prior violent crimes? On probation? Then involved in this attack???

[Snacks]

You people make me laugh at times. If this was reversed and some black kids did something similar to intimidate the white kids and then the white kids beat the crap out of a black kid you would then say "the black kid got what he deserved". I wont mention any names but some would be cheering for what the white kids did for defending themselves or taking care of it. Why is it any different? These black kids were threatened. How many whites have been hung by a tree just for sitting in the wrong place? None. This goes back generations of putting fear and murdering blacks. What they did was wrong, but where was the justice in what the white kids did to start with? They hung nooses over the tree to put fear in these kids, to scare them off "the mans tree". Basically telling them that you come near our tree we will hang you from it. Is that right? This is no different then a bully picking on someone and then one day a few of those kids that are being bullied just jumping the asshole.

Sorry, but this comes down to race. I hate to say it but the whites pulled the race card before Rev Al did. They made it a race issue from the start with hanging nooses to keep blacks from sitting in a place they wanted reserved for whites.

[mikeyboy]

You people make me laugh at times. If this was reversed and some black kids did something similar to intimidate the white kids and then the white kids beat the crap out of a black kid you would then say "the black kid got what he deserved". I wont mention any names but some would be cheering for what the white kids did for defending themselves or taking care of it. Why is it any different? These black kids were threatened. How many whites have been hung by a tree just for sitting in the wrong place? None. This goes back generations of putting fear and murdering blacks. What they did was wrong, but where was the justice in what the white kids did to start with? They hung nooses over the tree to put fear in these kids, to scare them off "the mans tree". Basically telling them that you come near our tree we will hang you from it. Is that right? This is no different then a bully picking on someone and then one day a few of those kids that are being bullied just jumping the asshole.

Sorry, but this comes down to race. I hate to say it but the whites pulled the race card before Rev Al did. They made it a race issue from the start with hanging nooses to keep blacks from sitting in a place they wanted reserved for whites.

You are talking out of your ass.

[angrymissy]

You people make me laugh at times. If this was reversed and some black kids did something similar to intimidate the white kids and then the white kids beat the crap out of a black kid you would then say "the black kid got what he deserved". I wont mention any names but some would be cheering for what the white kids did for defending themselves or taking care of it. Why is it any different? These black kids were threatened. How many whites have been hung by a tree just for sitting in the wrong place? None. This goes back generations of putting fear and murdering blacks. What they did was wrong, but where was the justice in what the white kids did to start with? They hung nooses over the tree to put fear in these kids, to scare them off "the mans tree". Basically telling them that you come near our tree we will hang you from it. Is that right? This is no different then a bully picking on someone and then one day a few of those kids that are being bullied just jumping the asshole.

Sorry, but this comes down to race. I hate to say it but the whites pulled the race card before Rev Al did. They made it a race issue from the start with hanging nooses to keep blacks from sitting in a place they wanted reserved for whites.

Absolutely not. I'm insulted that you would even imply that. I think that ANYONE jumping a single kid is a fucking cowardly sick crime, and should be dealt with harshly, especially if the attacker has a prior record.

I might think differently if one kid confronted the other and they fought it out. This was a situation where one kid attacked the other, then 6 attacked the kid while he was down.

They had a US Attorney investigate this matter out of the 40 statements taken about the beating, not one person mentioned the nooses as a factor in the attack.

[Jujubees2]

Missy,

What you're missing is the fact that all of this could have been nipped in the bud. Why weren't the white students who hung the nooses expelled as the principal asked? Why did the DA threaten the black students? Why were no white kids arrested when they beat a black kid?

The next night, 16-year-old Robert Bailey and a few black friends tried to enter a party attended mostly by whites. When Bailey got inside, he was attacked and beaten. The next day, tensions escalated at a local convenience store. Bailey exchanged words with a white student who had been at the party. The white boy ran back to his truck and pulled out a pistol grip shotgun. Bailey ran after him and wrestled him for the gun.

The six did not just randomly pick up this one white kid to attack. He instigated the attack by harassing the black kids. Do the six blacks deserve to be punished? Absolutely. But the circumstances of the case also need to be considered.

[angrymissy]

Missy,

What you're missing is the fact that all of this could have been nipped in the bud. Why weren't the white students who hung the nooses expelled as the principal asked? Why did the DA threaten the black students? Why were no white kids arrested when they beat a black kid?

The next night, 16-year-old Robert Bailey and a few black friends tried to enter a party attended mostly by whites. When Bailey got inside, he was attacked and beaten. The next day, tensions escalated at a local convenience store. Bailey exchanged words with a white student who had been at the party. The white boy ran back to his truck and pulled out a pistol grip shotgun. Bailey ran after him and wrestled him for the gun.

The six did not just randomly pick up this one white kid to attack. He instigated the attack by harassing the black kids. Do the six blacks deserve to be punished? Absolutely. But the circumstances of the case also need to be considered.

If they are not punished for jumping the kid, that teaches children that it is ok the beat the living shit out of someone if they harass you. I also have seen all over the AP that a US Attorney has investigated this case, and out of 40 statements taken about the beating, not one person mentioned the nooses. They are two separate incidents. The school needs to be dealt with regarding the noose incident, if they know who did it, the students should have absolutely been expelled.

We actually agree. My point is they should be punished. Especially the kid that has 4 prior violent offenses. I just can't believe people are saying they should be freed.

[CaptClown]

You are talking out of your ass.
In this case he isn't.

The next night, 16-year-old Robert Bailey and a few black friends tried to enter a party attended mostly by whites. When Bailey got inside, he was attacked and beaten. The next day, tensions escalated at a local convenience store. Bailey exchanged words with a white student who had been at the party. The white boy ran back to his truck and pulled out a pistol grip shotgun. Bailey ran after him and wrestled him for the gun.
All of that seems to have been left out. If he didn't get his ass beat for the nooses. He should have gotten his ass beat for pulling a shotgun on someone and getting it taken from him.

[SinA]

it might have been wrong to think that the tree/shady area was for "whites only", but it's not quite realistic to think that everyone can get along anywhere in the world (especially in Louisianna)

i know of may places in my town that, without being officially designated as "black only," i'm not welcome, but that wouldn't make me right to beat up the people that don't want me around.

[King Imp]

Jeez, and here I thought the big uproar over this case was simply that the jury was made up of 6 white people. I figured they felt that was unfair and that's why they had their panties in a bunch.

[CaptClown]

I honestly don't even understand why there's a discussion and protest about this other than scumbags like Rev. Al and Jesse trying to use this to further their own agenda and make themselves more money.

The segregation and racism is a seperate issue here. Deal with that on it's own at a later date.

We're talking about 6 criminals who beat a single guy down. Cowardly, calculated and illegal.

Put them in jail. Period.
But they are the issues that started this whole sorted ball of wax going. They took the boy's shotgun, that he pulled on them. The situation changed when the gun was pulled.

[Snacks]

You are talking out of your ass.

Nice come back. Next time you talk the nonsense like you usually do. I will now use your line.

Missy,

What you're missing is the fact that all of this could have been nipped in the bud. Why weren't the white students who hung the nooses expelled as the principal asked? Why did the DA threaten the black students? Why were no white kids arrested when they beat a black kid?

The next night, 16-year-old Robert Bailey and a few black friends tried to enter a party attended mostly by whites. When Bailey got inside, he was attacked and beaten. The next day, tensions escalated at a local convenience store. Bailey exchanged words with a white student who had been at the party. The white boy ran back to his truck and pulled out a pistol grip shotgun. Bailey ran after him and wrestled him for the gun.

The six did not just randomly pick up this one white kid to attack. He instigated the attack by harassing the black kids. Do the six blacks deserve to be punished? Absolutely. But the circumstances of the case also need to be considered.

Your correct the 6 need some sort of justice but it should have never gotten that far. If the police, school, parents etc took control of the situation when it started. They didnt and the black kids who see that the justice system never helps them took shit into their own hands. Once again wrong, but some people understand why this shit happens. The double standards continue and its terrible.

In this case he isn't.

Thanks, I think!


All of that seems to have been left out. If he didn't get his ass beat for the nooses. He should have gotten his ass beat for pulling a shotgun on someone and getting it taken from him.

thats the point of this whole story. It isnt that a few whites told a few blacks get away from the tree. Is the intimidation that the white kids continued to do to the blacks and the black kid getting jumped at the party. These black kids(being wrong for jumping a kid) Decided enough was enough and no one was looking out for them. So they beat the shit out of this kid. Sorry but this kid pulled a gun and threatened these kids with hanging them. If it was me and I was their age and the cops and no one else was protecting me then I would get my boys and protection ourselves and send a message.

This type of shit will continue. The only way it stops is when society treats people the same and protects them the same. A lot of blacks still to this day dont feel they are being looked at and protected. They are right, they arent.

[Death Metal Moe]

But they are the issues that started this whole sorted ball of wax going. They took the boy's shotgun, that he pulled on them. The situation changed when the gun was pulled.

The act of 6 men beating another is a criminal act.

How you arrived at that point doesn't matter.

A guy who beats the shit out of his wife goes to jail no matter how many years she was nagging him before hand, right?

[mikeyboy]

Nice come back. Next time you talk the nonsense like you usually do. I will now use your line.

Like I usually do? You're one to talk. You're full of shit in your broad brush painting of people on either side, but that's pretty much standard that you do that to anyone who doesn't agree with you. It's horse shit to state that everyone on one side is there for racial reasons. It's also ludicrous to state that those same people would be cheering if 6 white kids did the same thing. Speak for yourself and not anyone else.

[angrymissy]

In this case he isn't.


All of that seems to have been left out. If he didn't get his ass beat for the nooses. He should have gotten his ass beat for pulling a shotgun on someone and getting it taken from him.

From what I read, that was not the kid the beat. The kid they beat was overheard making fun of the guy that got beat up by a white kid.

[Death Metal Moe]

No "Antique Farm Equipment" jokes yet?

[CaptClown]

Just trying to help.:innocent:

[Snacks]

The act of 6 men beating another is a criminal act.

How you arrived at that point doesn't matter.

A guy who beats the shit out of his wife goes to jail no matter how many years she was nagging him before hand, right?

so if you re threatened by someone constantly and the police wouldnt or wont help you or protect you then what would you do? Reading you for the past year and how your a tough guy, Im guessing you would beat the shit out of someone threatening you (or try) and if this same person that has been threatening you jumped you at a partywith his friends and he also pulled a gun on you wouldn't most people try to protect themselves? Wouldn't most people who have friends help?

It does matter how you arrived at this point.

[Dougie Brootal]

was it even the same kid who pulled the gun that got beat up?

i havent read anything about that.

[mikeyboy]

was it even the same kid who pulled the gun that got beat up?

i havent read anything about that.

It wasn't.

[angrymissy]

so if you re threatened by someone constantly and the police wouldnt or wont help you or protect you then what would you do? Reading you for the past year and how your a tough guy, Im guessing you would beat the shit out of someone threatening you (or try) and if this same person that has been threatening you jumped you at a partywith his friends and he also pulled a gun on you wouldn't most people try to protect themselves? Wouldn't most people who have friends help?

It does matter how you arrived at this point.

Where does it say they kids that were harassed went to the cops and they wouldn't help?

Maybe he didn't want to go to the cops since he was already on probation for 4 prior crimes. I guess he was provoked all those times as well.

[Dougie Brootal]

so if you re threatened by someone constantly and the police wouldnt or wont help you or protect you then what would you do? Reading you for the past year and how your a tough guy, Im guessing you would beat the shit out of someone threatening you (or try) and if this same person that has been threatening you jumped you at a partywith his friends and he also pulled a gun on you wouldn't most people try to protect themselves? Wouldn't most people who have friends help?

It does matter how you arrived at this point.

moe is a non violent person. ive never seen him come to fisticuffs. even with spoon.

[Death Metal Moe]

so if you re threatened by someone constantly and the police wouldnt or wont help you or protect you then what would you do? Reading you for the past year and how your a tough guy, Im guessing you would beat the shit out of someone threatening you (or try) and if this same person that has been threatening you jumped you at a partywith his friends and he also pulled a gun on you wouldn't most people try to protect themselves? Wouldn't most people who have friends help?

It does matter how you arrived at this point.

Man, fuck you. I'm a tough guy? When did I ever say that or even imply that? I don't get in fights, I just don't let people disrespect me or misrepresent me. It's called standing up for yourself, and I always get my point across with words.

So you're a proponent of "Vigilante Justice?" Great, we'll send all the cops home and install "Snacks Rules."

You're intertwining like 5 different fucking problems with the beating. Stop being a child about this. The harassment is seperate. The noose thing should be delt with in it's own way.

THE BEATING WAS A CRIMINAL ACT. Did it fucking sink in yet?

[TheMojoPin]

The act of 6 men beating another is a criminal act.

How you arrived at that point doesn't matter.

Uh, actually, motive and such circumstances matters a whole lot in criminal cases. I'm not picking a side here, I'm just pointing out that such a simplified approach is totally unrealistic and not how our investigative and trial system has ever been set up.

Tenbats' crappy joke aside, I seriously thought this thread was going to be about some female Genesis cover band that appeared on the show or something. I've never even heard of the "Jenna Six" until now.

[CaptClown]

The act of 6 men beating another is a criminal act.
He escalated a verbal altercation into a physical one when he went and got the shotgun.

How you arrived at that point doesn't matter.

A guy who beats the shit out of his wife goes to jail no matter how many years she was nagging him before hand, right?
I have had several cousins get into similar situations as above. One had mitigating circumstances, such as her pulling a weapon, and got off and the other went to jail.

[Death Metal Moe]

Where does it say they kids that were harassed went to the cops and they wouldn't help?

Maybe he didn't want to go to the cops since he was already on probation for 4 prior crimes. I guess he was provoked all those times as well.

He doesn't need facts silly, he's on a roll.

[Dougie Brootal]

It wasn't.

thats what i thought. so basically a couple people on here are taking 4 or 5 unrelated incidents and tying them together to justify a mob beating a single kid.

nice.

[TheMojoPin]

moe is a non violent person. ive never seen him come to fisticuffs. even with spoon.

Yeah, when has Moe ever threatened anyone here or talked about what a tough guy he is? He's often blunt and no-nonsense, but I've never seen him post anything like he's talking about how he either does or can throw down.

[Dougie Brootal]

He escalated a verbal altercation into a physical one when he went and got the shotgun.

HE DIDNT GET A SHOTGUN!!! HE JUST GOT BEAT UP!!! THESE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!!

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Death Metal Moe]

Uh, actually, motive and such circumstances matters a whole lot in criminal cases. I'm not picking a side here, I'm just pointing out that such a simplified approach is totally unrealistic and not how our investigative and trial system has ever been set up.

Tenbats' crappy joke aside, I seriously thought this thread was going to be about some female Genesis cover band that appeared on the show or something. I've never even heard of the "Jenna Six" until now.

I understand that, but there's like 2 sides here: Get off Scott Free and go to jail for some period of time. I am not saying that 20 years isn't excessive for the kid to go away, but if these kids get absolutely nothing for what the did, it's a grave injustice.

[Death Metal Moe]

Yeah, when has Moe ever threatened anyone here or talked about what a tough guy he is? He's often blunt and no-nonsense, but I've never seen him post anything like he's talking about how he either does or can throw down.

Thank you, both of you.

[Snacks]

Like I usually do? You're one to talk. You're full of shit in your broad brush painting of people on either side, but that's pretty much standard that you do that to anyone who doesn't agree with you. It's horse shit to state that everyone on one side is there for racial reasons. It's also ludicrous to state that those same people would be cheering if 6 white kids did the same thing. Speak for yourself and not anyone else.

"I wont mention any names but some would be cheering"

Thats what I said. I didnt use a broad brush on anyone. I called it as it has been discussed in this thread and then other threads. "Some" people have their double standards on here. When it comes to shit like this and other things. Not all but "some". All I was saying is if the roles were reversed "some" would be on the other side defending it.

It isnt horse shit, because you can see that the one side did start because of race. WHITES DID NOT WANT BLACKS SITTING UNDER "THEIR" TREE. THE HUNG NOOSES OVER THE TREE . Thats how this thing started. The nooses proved its about race. You think these white kids didnt know the meaning of putting a rope over a tree? They knew it. Basically they were saying "WE will hang you like they did in the old days so stay away"

It started because the whites made it about race.

[Dougie Brootal]

Yeah, when has Moe ever threatened anyone here or talked about what a tough guy he is? He's often blunt and no-nonsense, but I've never seen him post anything like he's talking about how he either does or can throw down.

was that sarcasm? not being an ass, its just hard to tell on a screen. i only say that cuz ive never seen him do it. but i could be wrong.

[mikeyboy]

"I wont mention any names but some would be cheering"

Thats what I said. I didnt use a broad brush on anyone. I called it as it has been discussed in this thread and then other threads. "Some" people have their double standards on here. When it comes to shit like this and other things. Not all but "some". All I was saying is if the roles were reversed "some" would be on the other side defending it.

It isnt horse shit, because you can see that the one side did start because of race. WHITES DID NOT WANT BLACKS SITTING UNDER "THEIR" TREE. THE HUNG NOOSES OVER THE TREE . Thats how this thing started. The nooses proved its about race. You think these white kids didnt know the meaning of putting a rope over a tree? They knew it. Basically they were saying "WE will hang you like they did in the old days so stay away"

It started because the whites made it about race.

I'm talking about the sides people are taking -- your statement that the people in this thread who don't support these 6 guys are motivated by race is a blanket statement. The people who have come down on that side have made it more than clear that for them it comes down to 6 people beating up one person, regardless of race. To make a blanket statement about motivations is painting with a broad brush.

I haven't even assessed all of the facts on this case to make a decision on my position either way, but I really hate to see this type of discourse.

[ChimneyFish]

My point is they should be punished. Especially the kid that has 4 prior violent offenses. I just can't believe people are saying they should be freed.

This "person", black or white, should lose his right to walk among society for the rest of his days.

[Death Metal Moe]

was that sarcasm? not being an ass, its just hard to tell on a screen. i only say that cuz ive never seen him do it. but i could be wrong.

I hope he was being serious because what he said was the truth.

Either way I took it as a compliment or at least a backing of the truth.

[CaptClown]

They should serve time for Assault and Battery not attempted murder. Had they been white it wouldn't have gotten this far.

[Fallon]

Yes, a crime was committed but it's not as black and white as it seems. One of the black kids was tried as an adult when he shouldn't have and the original charges were attempted second degree murder when the white student they beat was harassing them.
You can charge a 16 year old as an adult. It's up to the judge. The jury I was on this year convicted a 19 year old with murder one when he committed the crime at 15/16.

[zentraed]

I jokingly called a friend racist in an email, and she wrote back saying "I'm even wearing black for Jenna Six kids today." I had no idea this was even happening today, and it's beyond silly (in my not so humble opinion).

Regarding the case, the only things I really know about it are what I heard on O&A yesterday. I thought the cause of the protest was charging them with attempted murder vs. something lesser. It seems to me that if 6 people jump you and you don't even have an overnight stay at the hospital, they weren't trying to kill you.

[TheMojoPin]

I hope he was being serious because what he said was the truth.

Either way I took it as a compliment or at least a backing of the truth.

Oh, I was totally being serious. I've never seen you try and come off as the "e-muscle" type. The only thing you talk about chewing out is some delicious bacon.

And I agree that letting these kids off for what they did is just wrong. I definitely think the circumstances regarding the whole affair are important and should be considered, but to use them to try and brush off what they did as somehow justified or even not as bad isn't very realistic. Nobody is really right in this situation and punishments need to be dealt out for pretty much everything...nooses, threats, "whites-only," pulled shotguns, smashing people with bottles, beating some guy down 6-1...bunch of winners here. It's like white trash and black trash colliding to form a putrid puddle of grey.

[TheMojoPin]

They should serve time for Assault and Battery not attempted murder. Had they been white it wouldn't have gotten this far.

Agreed. White or black, demanding that someone be locked away for the rest of their life for something like this is absurd.

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh, I was totally being serious. I've never seen you try and come off as the "e-muscle" type. The only thing you talk about chewing out is some delicious bacon.

And I agree that letting these kids off for what they did is just wrong. I definitely think the circumstances regarding the whole affair are important and should be considered, but to use them to try and brush off what they did as somehow justified or even not as bad isn't very realistic. Nobody is really right in this situation and punishments need to be dealt out for pretty much everything...nooses, threats, "whites-only," pulled shotguns, smashing people with bottles, beating some guy down 6-1...bunch of winners here. It's like white trash and black trash colliding to form a putrid puddle of grey.

Exactly. There are a whole bunch of bad things going on in this town, and they all should be dealt with by them. I don't think they even need the whole fucking media watching them. No one seems in the right here, and if there are "Areas whites and blacks know not to go" in that town, then both sides are wrong. I don't think it's gonna be easy to change or fast, but it's also up to that community.

This thread was really about a march to clear them of all charges and that's where I still say they need to see punishment for the cowardly act of a 6 on 1 beating.

[angrymissy]

He escalated a verbal altercation into a physical one when he went and got the shotgun.

I have had several cousins get into similar situations as above. One had mitigating circumstances, such as her pulling a weapon, and got off and the other went to jail.

I don't think you understand. The kid they beat was not the kid who got the shotgun.

[CaptClown]

Exactly. There are a whole bunch of bad things going on in this town, and they all should be dealt with by them. I don't think they even need the whole fucking media watching them. No one seems in the right here, and if there are "Areas whites and blacks know not to go" in that town, then both sides are wrong. I don't think it's gonna be easy to change or fast, but it's also up to that community.

This thread was really about a march to clear them of all charges and that's where I still say they need to see punishment for the cowardly act of a 6 on 1 beating.
They need the national media to watch them, other wise an assaukt wuld have gotten blown waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy out of proportion because of the color of their skin. By all reports the beating was instigated by the kid pulling a gun.

[Jujubees2]

[QUOTE=Death Metal Moe;1464160]Exactly. There are a whole bunch of bad things going on in this town, and they all should be dealt with by them.QUOTE]

But Moe, how can the town take care of things if the town is led by a bunch of bigots? Things won't change unless there is OUTSIDE pressure. That's the reason to involve the national media.

[Dougie Brootal]

They need the national media to watch them, other wise an assaukt wuld have gotten blown waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy out of proportion because of the color of their skin. By all reports the beating was instigated by the kid pulling a gun.

why are you so stupid?

im going to post this in large letters so you can understand it. ok?


THE

KID

THAT

GOT

BEAT

UP

IS

NOT

THE

SAME

KID

THAT

PULLED

THE

SHOTGUN

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE ARE NO REPORTS OF THE BEATING BEING CAUSED BY THE HANGING OF NOOSES OR THE PULLING OF A GUN. THESE ARE ALL SEPERATE INCIDENTS INVOLVING DIFFERENT PEOPLE. GET IT?

[mikeyboy]

why are you so stupid?

im going to post this in large letters so you can understand it. ok?


THE

KID

THAT

GOT

BEAT

UP

IS

NOT

THE

SAME

KID

THAT

PULLED

THE

SHOTGUN

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Easy there.

[Doogie]

Back to the original point: I am wearing beigish pants with a red shirt cause they match. Case closed.

[underdog]

THE

KID

THAT

GOT

BEAT

UP

IS

NOT

THE

SAME

KID

THAT

PULLED

THE

SHOTGUN

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm very disappointed that there's no mention of a dingo eating anything in these large letters.

[Doogie]

I think the problem of making a total summary assessment before we have the facts is a grievous error. Everyone here is making an assumption due to facts they got from news stories. Remember there is sometimes a difference between fact and truth. My personal thing is let the professionals handle this.

The people protesting today, and many of us here arguing DONT have all the facts. And the facts that people do have are a hodge podge and jumbled mix that are missinterpretted. When was the last time you heard a news story that was 100% accurate?? The only place you might find that accuracy is in the box scores of the sports section.

To be categorizing people into a category of hypocracy is wrong. The truth is you dont know many of us and a generalization is being made about everyone here. I say everyone calm down and lets not knee jerk react like those we are all quick to critisize in the media today. I am sure that the truth will come out, albeit there will be time goes by before that happens. Until then, let the pros handle it.

[CaptClown]

why are you so stupid?

im going to post this in large letters so you can understand it. ok?


THE

KID

THAT

GOT

BEAT

UP

IS

NOT

THE

SAME

KID

THAT

PULLED

THE

SHOTGUN

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE ARE NO REPORTS OF THE BEATING BEING CAUSED BY THE HANGING OF NOOSES OR THE PULLING OF A GUN. THESE ARE ALL SEPERATE INCIDENTS INVOLVING DIFFERENT PEOPLE. GET IT?
I know it's wikipedia but the reference links check out.

Check the link out.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

[angrymissy]

I know it's wikipedia but the reference links check out.

Check the link out.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

OMG. It does not say ANYWHERE that it was the same kid.

Here it is from the links referenced in the Wiki (WHICH CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GUY WITH THE GUN IS NOT A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT):


Gotta Go incident
On Dec. 2, there was an encounter at the Gotta Go convenience store that appears to have been spurred by the Friday night fight. The white man, not a student, gave one version of the story, while the three black students gave another. Walters based his charges on the statement from the witness and neither of the sides involved, and charged one of the black students with battery and theft.

The white man ran into the black students, something was said indicating they were going to fight, so the white man turned and ran back to his truck to get his firearm -- a regular-barreled shotgun with a pistol grip. One of the black students began to wrestle the white man for his gun, and the other students jumped in to help.

It is reasonable to assume, Washington said, that the two students who jumped in to help and the white man presumed a threat.

Although there were reports of the black students calling the police, there was no report from either the Sheriff's Office or Police Department.

The Jena High incident
Out of the 40-plus statements, including those from the black students and some of the students charged in the fight, none suggested that the Dec. 4 incident was imminently caused by the nooses, although many now are claiming that one could not have come without the other. There was no mention of the nooses at all in any of the statements, Washington said.

and the bottle incident:

Fair Barn incident
On Dec. 1, there was a private, invitation-only birthday party at the Fair Barn. Around 11 p.m., five black students tried to come into the party but were told by a woman that they weren't allowed inside without an invitation. The boys persisted, saying they had friends inside. A white man then jumped in front of the woman, and a fight started.

A group broke the two up, and the woman asked the white man, not a student, and the black students to leave the party. Once outside, another fight started between a group of white men, not students, and the black students. Police were called, and a white man was arrested. He pleaded guilty to simple battery.

Even though there were reports of one of the black students receiving injuries that required medical attention, there is no record of that.
http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707310322

[Dougie Brootal]

I know it's wikipedia but the reference links check out.

Check the link out.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

sigh.
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[torker]

That side's yours, this side's mine
Brother you ain't my kind


ps~was the shotgun loaded?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hes definitely wearing black


http://www.oapedia.com/images/2/26/Blackearl.jpg

[Furtherman]

I know it's wikipedia but the reference links check out.

Check the link out.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

http://www.rif.org/assets/Images/Coordinators/RIF-Logo-black_large.gif

[buzzard]

I'd never be caught wearing the same colors as Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson,I deplore photo-op/sound-byte events.:thumbdown:

[SatCam]

im so glad the kid with the shotgun got beat up

[LiddyRules]

NM, someone already made the joke.

[QUOTE=IamPixie;1464514]it made me chuckle, if it makes you feel better. Eh screw it, here we go again.

No, but I am wearing weird masks.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Genesis-Land-of-confusion-single-cover.jpg

[IamPixie]

NM, someone already made the joke.

it made me chuckle, if it makes you feel better.

[CaptClown]

http://www.rif.org/assets/Images/Coordinators/RIF-Logo-black_large.gif

Actually comprehension is fundamental. If I wanted to fight about it. I wouldn't have posted a link that provided the opposite.

[lleeder]

I think the problem of making a total summary assessment before we have the facts is a grievous error. Everyone here is making an assumption due to facts they got from news stories. Remember there is sometimes a difference between fact and truth. My personal thing is let the professionals handle this.

The people protesting today, and many of us here arguing DONT have all the facts. And the facts that people do have are a hodge podge and jumbled mix that are missinterpretted. When was the last time you heard a news story that was 100% accurate?? The only place you might find that accuracy is in the box scores of the sports section.

To be categorizing people into a category of hypocracy is wrong. The truth is you dont know many of us and a generalization is being made about everyone here. I say everyone calm down and lets not knee jerk react like those we are all quick to critisize in the media today. I am sure that the truth will come out, albeit there will be time goes by before that happens. Until then, let the pros handle it.

Who are these professionals you speak of?

[badmonkey]

I think the funniest part of the whole thread is that because this happened in Louisiana, so many of you actually beleive that there is such a thing as a tree or anything else designated "whites only".

I remember high school... it's been awhile, but it was high school in the south. The preppy kids hung out under two big trees in the courtyard, the metalheads hung out by the dumpsters, the punks hung out by the stairs in the courtyard, the gangsters hung out by the football field, and everybody else kinda spread out all over the fucking place.

I'm betting that the preppy rich kids have been hanging out under that tree in Jena for over 50 years and that's just where they go before school, during breaks, and at lunch because that's where their friends are. Other people don't sit under the tree because they don't belong to that high school clique, just like I didn't spend a lotta time under that tree with the preppies when I was in high school either.

Some asshole hung some nooses and got suspended for 3 days.

Basically everybody involved in this crap (white and black) in Jena wants the death penalty for every racial injustice and it's finally escalated to this point. As long as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson continue telling people they shouldn't be satisfied with anything less, they never will.

I'm trying now to remember where the Al and Jesse were this time last year when the 3 white girls had the shit beaten out of them and their 9 attackers walked away with probation. Oh, that's right... white people can't be victims of hate crimes.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime/15346/
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime-verdict/15545/
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/that-bitter-aftertaste/15754/

Badmonkey

[LiddyRules]

I think the funniest part of the whole thread is that because this happened in Louisiana, so many of you actually beleive that there is such a thing as a tree or anything else designated "whites only". I don't think people actually believe in a legal distinguished "white only" tree, I think most people are seeing it in the high school definition like the cool table.

[Dougie Brootal]

I think the funniest part of the whole thread is that because this happened in Louisiana, so many of you actually beleive that there is such a thing as a tree or anything else designated "whites only".

I remember high school... it's been awhile, but it was high school in the south. The preppy kids hung out under two big trees in the courtyard, the metalheads hung out by the dumpsters, the punks hung out by the stairs in the courtyard, the gangsters hung out by the football field, and everybody else kinda spread out all over the fucking place.

I'm betting that the preppy rich kids have been hanging out under that tree in Jena for over 50 years and that's just where they go before school, during breaks, and at lunch because that's where their friends are. Other people don't sit under the tree because they don't belong to that high school clique, just like I didn't spend a lotta time under that tree with the preppies when I was in high school either.

Some asshole hung some nooses and got suspended for 3 days.

Basically everybody involved in this crap (white and black) in Jena wants the death penalty for every racial injustice and it's finally escalated to this point. As long as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson continue telling people they shouldn't be satisfied with anything less, they never will.

I'm trying now to remember where the Al and Jesse were this time last year when the 3 white girls had the shit beaten out of them and their 9 attackers walked away with probation. Oh, that's right... white people can't be victims of hate crimes.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime/15346/
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime-verdict/15545/
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/that-bitter-aftertaste/15754/

Badmonkey

will you marry me? no homo.

[badmonkey]

I don't think people actually believe in a legal distinguished "white only" tree, I think most people are seeing it in the high school definition like the cool table.

Wanna take a guess at who calls it the "white tree"?

[DonInNC]

Theres too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.



Oh... wait. Jena Six?

Thanks. I used it today.

Q- What do you think about that Jenna Six?

A- I think Phil Collins sucks.

[torker]

4 prior violent crimes? On probation? Then involved in this attack???

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it.
I felt I owed it to them.
http://thestockmasters.com/images/judge-smails-hat.gif

[underdog]

Wanna take a guess at who calls it the "white tree"?

Probably the white kids.

[Doogie]

Who are these professionals you speak of?

My point is this trial by media is a very very bad thing that we have allowed to happen. The other thing I was pointing out is how many people have different facts all gathered from different sources. We dont know what the official file investigation contains, so we dont know all the facts. By the professionals I mean the police and the courts. They are the ones who should do the investigating. They also are the ones who could have of prevented this from becoming a media frenzy too. What do you want though, it is Louisiana.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm trying now to remember where the Al and Jesse were this time last year when the 3 white girls had the shit beaten out of them and their 9 attackers walked away with probation. Oh, that's right... white people can't be victims of hate crimes.


OK, I think the distinction of a "hate crime" is often far too subjective, though to present this as if non-white people have never been charged with them is simply false. I also agree it should be charged against the accused in those stories you linked to.

That said, however, it always seems like such a false argument and non-point to always bring up guys like Sharpton and Jackson with stuff like this, as if cases like this somehow negate their stances when it comes to possible hate crimes perputrated against blacks. Now I'm not arguing for these guys in general...as a whole, they're pretty much jokes...but what is the point of tossing it out there like they should be raising a stink over a case like that? Why would you expect them to? Their causes have typically focused on black citizens because they are, for better or for worse, presented as black leaders who deal with black causes. They're not anti-"hate crime" advocates in general...they're minority advocates. Pointing out their lack of action with a case like that ultimately means nothing because it isn't reflective of their agendas. SHOULD it be? Sure, why not? It should be on EVERYONE'S agendas. But getting pissed at them for not rallying around that case is like getting pissed at Bush for not showing up at a Democratic fundraiser.

I mean, what are you saying they should do? As black activists, they're supposed to show up every time someone black commits a crime or a hate crime? And do what? Should gay activists be there too since they were big pushers of hate crime legislation?

[joeyballsack]

Can someone be charged with attempted murder if they shoot at someone but miss ?

If so, why cant these kids be charged with attempted murder for jumping this kid ? We don't know if any of the kids said something to the effect of "I am going to kill this kid." or something else that could be considered intent.

What if they were actually trying to kill this kid but they are just really bad fighters and the kid they jumped was a ninja or cyborg that was able to stop them ?

I know Ron is against them..but someone really needs to step up for the cyborgs.

[TheMojoPin]

Can someone be charged with attempted murder if they shoot at someone but miss ?

If so, why cant these kids be charged with attempted murder for jumping this kid ? We don't know if any of the kids said something to the effect of "I am going to kill this kid." or something else that could be considered intent.

Why not charge anyone who ever hits anyone with attempted murder?

[MobCounty]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/nikkisx/The%20Crue/Nikki%20Sixx/No%20Make%20Up/Studio%20Shots/280917111_78cefcef28_b.jpg

Rest in piece bro..



MoCo

[Doogie]

Can someone be charged with attempted murder if they shoot at someone but miss ?

I am sure that some of law enforcement experts can help answer that question with better clarity, but I believe that yes someone can be charged with attempted murder for the aforementioned scenario you bring up. Now what the final disposition after pleaing down from the court will be is a totally different thing.

[Dougie Brootal]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/nikkisx/The%20Crue/Nikki%20Sixx/No%20Make%20Up/Studio%20Shots/280917111_78cefcef28_b.jpg

Rest in piece bro..



MoCo

dont even joke about that!:nono:

[dolemyte]

I actually am...

Not a big racial rabble rouser, but my fam is from the south and i know how things can get down there w/ 'southern justice'


That and the fact that there was no justice for the black kid jumped by an adult before this incident in Jena... You want these kids to do time, then charge the whites the exact same way...

[Death Metal Moe]

I actually am...

Not a big racial rabble rouser, but my fam is from the south and i know how things can get down there w/ 'southern justice'


That and the fact that there was no justice for the black kid jumped by an adult before this incident in Jena... You want these kids to do time, then charge the whites the exact same way...

Fine. Then do that. NO ONE is saying "Let whites go and put blacks away." At least no one in here.

If the system allows things like that to happen, fix the system. I know that won't happen overnight.

But to say "Let these criminals go because other ones have been let go in the past" is absurd and ignorant.

[dolemyte]

Fine. Then do that. NO ONE is saying "Let whites go and put blacks away." At least no one in here.

If the system allows things like that to happen, fix the system. I know that won't happen overnight.

But to say "Let these criminals go because other ones have been let go in the past" is absurd and ignorant.


Nope, they commited a crime..assualt if im not wrong, charge that... I cant lie and say that i want them to do time for beating some racist hick down, but i live in this country so i live by the rules, they have too also. So charge them as you charge the white adult that allegedly hit a kid over the head with a bottle... Charge the asses that pulled a gun, which has to be breaking some law... Thats what im supporting, actual justice...

With that said, everything leading up to the actual jumping of the white kid screams 'Old South'

[Death Metal Moe]

Nope, they commited a crime..assualt if im not wrong, charge that... I cant lie and say that i want them to do time for beating some racist hick down, but i live in this country so i live by the rules, they have too also. So charge them as you charge the white adult that allegedly hit a kid over the head with a bottle... Charge the asses that pulled a gun, which has to be breaking some law... Thats what im supporting, actual justice...

With that said, everything leading up to the actual jumping of the white kid screams 'Old South'

Well yea, I'm not lighting a candle for the fucking hayseed jerkoff kid who thought it was funny to start shit with these 6 kids, but Sharpton and the like are marching to try to get the kids cleared. That's just not going to fly.

And yes, this does scream "Old South." I've been down to the area once or twice and the people were nice to me. I'd like to see shit like this stop so people don't look down their noses at someone with a southern accent.

[dolemyte]

And yes, this does scream "Old South." I've been down to the area once or twice and the people were nice to me. I'd like to see shit like this stop so people don't look down their noses at someone with a southern accent.

We agree there, some of the kindest ppl i know live below the Mason-Dixie line, white and black, but i also know that this kind of thing will raise its ugly head, and we (blacks) will get the short end of the stick in this environment

[Furtherman]

This would never happen in Chickasaw County.

[torker]

"Six black kids indicted as adults for attempted murder, and the weapons charged in the indictment is their sneakers, this is the most blatant example of disparity in the justice system that we've seen," Sharpton said
Yeah, and a noose is just a piece of rope. Dickweed.

[FUNKMAN]

i'm doing my part by not changing my underwears today...

actually I don't know all the facts but it seemed clear the boys were initially " overcharged " with attempted murder. now anyone could rationalize the charge being warranted when someone gets beaten this bad but if their system never brought such charges against white's that beat down a black kid then it's unfair and has a stink of prejudice and racism...

[lleeder]

Can't we all just watch Remember The Titans and agree to disagree.

[JimBeam]

Why is race even an issue in this case ?

I'd be for the same charges regardless of who dd what.

You know why race is an issue ? Because of ridiculous hate crime laws.

Assault should be assault regardless of the motivation.

As long as a jury's given the right to chose between manslaughters and dgrees of murder there's not other reason for a charge to be legislated.

As always Jackson and Sharpton have no respect for the people they are supposedly helping because when they're long gone the grudges will still be there and in the end that'll probably hurt the blacks more. Including those who have no opinion about what happened.

[Knowledged_one]

Well lets see if good ol Reverend Al can put a spin on this as being racial

or maybe this kid is just a thug

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/jena.defendant.arrested/index.html

[TheMojoPin]

High school fights now make national news?

[Drunky McBetidont]

Well lets see if good ol Reverend Al can put a spin on this as being racial

or maybe this kid is just a thug

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/jena.defendant.arrested/index.html

he moved to another town to finish high school? he is 19. waste of time, they offer g.e.d. in prison anyway and after jenna 6 trial he will have plenty of time to fnish school in the can.

[Snacks]

Well lets see if good ol Reverend Al can put a spin on this as being racial

or maybe this kid is just a thug

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/jena.defendant.arrested/index.html

I guess getting into fights in high school lead to arrests. Everyone in my high school would be considered criminals. People get into fights when they are in high school it happens. No reason to make a criminal out of everyone.

Talking about thugs. If I remember correctly Sean Taylor would be considered a thug based on your idea of a thug? He got into a lot of trouble in high school and college.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I guess getting into fights in high school lead to arrests. Everyone in my high school would be considered criminals. People get into fights when they are in high school it happens. No reason to make a criminal out of everyone.

Talking about thugs. If I remember correctly Sean Taylor would be considered a thug based on your idea of a thug? He got into a lot of trouble in high school and college.

Yeah, and he got money, and he got his life straightened out.

Little bit of a difference there, chuckles.

[Snacks]

Yeah, and he got money, and he got his life straightened out.

Little bit of a difference there, chuckles.

exactly. some of these "thugs" or kids from the ghetto just need an opportunity. The problem is that most of them never get a chance or people give up on them to quickly and figure its easier to put them in jail then teach them.

Get it, Suzy?

[keithy_19]

exactly. some of these "thugs" or kids from the ghetto just need an opportunity. The problem is that most of them never get a chance or people give up on them to quickly and figure its easier to put them in jail then teach them.



How do you change a lifestyle?

[PapaBear]

How do you change a lifestyle?
By changing the way you live your life. I think you may be confusing the way the religious right uses the word "lifestyle" (when referring to homosexuals), with the actual definition of "lifestyle".

[Tenbatsuzen]

exactly. some of these "thugs" or kids from the ghetto just need an opportunity. The problem is that most of them never get a chance or people give up on them to quickly and figure its easier to put them in jail then teach them.

Get it, Suzy?

They are products of their environment. Opportunities are what you make of them. You hear plenty of stories about people who made it out of the ghetto, so ultimately, the choice lies with them.

[Snacks]

They are products of their environment. Opportunities are what you make of them. You hear plenty of stories about people who made it out of the ghetto, so ultimately, the choice lies with them.

for every 1 good story there are thousands of bad. Yes they are a product of their enviroment and it all starts with education, equality, and opportunity which they all dont get. its hard to make any choice when you dont have many, the schools in the inner city are pathetic. teachers dont care and there is nothing to look forward to or thinj they can make it.

It will always ly with the idivdual but society has a lot to do with the problems of some people. Especially when we are the richest society in the world and we have people starving while the rich get richer and the govt only looks out for the rich.

[badmonkey]

What ghetto? We're talking about a town with a population of under 3,000 in rural Louisiana.

Everybody in that town has pretty much the same opportunity as far as education anyway. They all go to the same schools. There were only 538 students in their entire high school in 2006-2007. Looked at the Jena High School webpage and did a quick teacher count that showed 29 teachers on staff. That's 18.5 students per teacher. Student:Teacher ratios don't get much better than that. According to the 2006 -2007 Accountability Results (http://www.louisianaschools.net/lde/saa/ReportCards07/detailedp/2007_DPR_030.pdf), Jena High School is actually a pretty good school.

Sometimes, the kids just become a thugs because him and his friends think it's cool to be thugs.

[TheMojoPin]

Some kids in high school get into fights. I went to two schools during those years on opposite ends of the world, one a poorly funded collision of black and white trash in Southern VA and the other a rich, brand new private school overseas. I honestly don't know which I saw more kids from get into fights.

Nobody was arguing whether or not the kids in the "Jena 6" story were "good" or "bad," and if they were, what was the point? Honestly, what does it matter if any of the kids involved, white or black, get into trouble now? What did it matter then? Why is any of this news?