New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Towelie]

They could come out of the break going:

Santana
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey
Pedro

So you still have Pedro and Santana back to back and you still have a decent R/L split

[Kevin]

They could come out of the break going:

Santana
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey
Pedro

So you still have Pedro and Santana back to back and you still have a decent R/L split

The main problem i have with that staff is not stuff wise, besides Pedro, who now has borderline AVG stuff, the rest have pretty good to great. But the prob is, none of them go deep into games, Johan is 6 tops 7 on a good day , 8 maybe on a great. Maine Pelfry and Perez throw a shit load of pitches, And Pedro you would take more than 5 and run with at this point. That Pen is going to be really over used and maybe fall apart in mid to late sept.

[Towelie]

The main problem i have with that staff is not stuff wise, besides Pedro, who now has borderline AVG stuff, the rest have pretty good to great. But the prob is, none of them go deep into games, Johan is 6 tops 7 on a good day , 8 maybe on a great. Maine Pelfry and Perez throw a shit load of pitches, And Pedro you would take more than 5 and run with at this point. That Pen is going to be really over used and maybe fall apart in mid to late sept.

Thats a problem with all of baseball now and especially a Willie problem. He lived and died by pitch counts.

And after all that our starters have pitched the 5th most innings and our pen is 8th in the NL in innings.

We really need to find an Darren Oliver guy though, Vargas/Armas haven't done the job.

[Towelie]

Futures game on ESPN2 if anyone cares

Fernando is starting for the World Team in CF, batting 7th

[cougarjake13]

Futures game on ESPN2 if anyone cares

Fernando is starting for the World Team in CF, batting 7th

thanks for the heads up

[BoondockSaint]

Ever since that game against the Yankees Delgado has just been mashing.

[NickyL0885]

Pelfrey for MVP!!! ok ok....im being sarcastic but its nice to see the kid finally come around. Hes been brilliant tonight. I hope the break doesnt ruin his momentum. Same with Delgado and the rest of the team.

[foodcourtdruide]

Thats a problem with all of baseball now and especially a Willie problem. He lived and died by pitch counts.

And after all that our starters have pitched the 5th most innings and our pen is 8th in the NL in innings.

We really need to find an Darren Oliver guy though, Vargas/Armas haven't done the job.

I agree with both you and Kevin, I think what it comes down to is poor bullpen depth.

[Towelie]

Well I guess we're doing pretty good.

What a shit time for the All Star Break.

[Towelie]

Big Pelf's last nine starts:

59.2 IP
2.26 ERA
15 ER
44 K
1.24 WHIP

Good lord

[Gmann]

I still hate Mike Pelfrey.

Minute I start rooting for him the fucker is gonna collapse.

[PD]

Big Pelf's last nine starts:

59.2 IP
2.26 ERA
15 ER
44 K
1.24 WHIP

Good lord

even better, he's the only one who throws DP balls.

damn that was a fun game last night.

[BeerBandit]

http://www.observer.com/2008/style/sports/live-bait

I say bring him up. He's gotta be better than Chris Aguila.

[Towelie]

even better, he's the only one who throws DP balls.

damn that was a fun game last night.

For comparison's sake:

Santana's last 9 starts:

59.2 IP
2.26 ERA
15 ER
56 K
1.17 WHIP

So Pelfrey has given up 3 more hits/walks, besides they've been equally nasty.

[cougarjake13]

I still hate Mike Pelfrey.

Minute I start rooting for him the fucker is gonna collapse.

than dont root for him

[PD]

http://www.observer.com/2008/style/sports/live-bait

I say bring him up. He's gotta be better than Chris Aguila.

Chris Aguila isn't there as a starter; more a fill-in.

Minaya may skip deals (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07152008/sports/mets/amazin_plans_120019.htm)

you may see F-Mart before season ends; also seems that Omar has belief in Evans.

[spadanko]

I don't believe that Omar thing for a second. He'll go out and get someone. Maybe a Juan Rivera, Austin kearns type, but he will get a RH bat.

[PD]

I don't believe that Omar thing for a second. He'll go out and get someone. Maybe a Juan Rivera, Austin kearns type, but he will get a RH bat.

if they are "cheap"- I don't think they have the prospects to give up without killing the system.

[spadanko]

.

Nice knowing you, Willie
Here's a lowlight that many of you didn't see during last night's broadcast of the All-Star festivities at Yankee Stadium -- former Mets manager Willie Randolph arriving with his wife, Gretchen, as the guests of George Steinbrenner.

While it was nice of The Boss to invite one of his favorite players back, Randolph showed zero respect for any of the writers that covered him during his three-plus years in Flushing -- and more than a decade before that in the Bronx -- by completely ignoring them on his way into the building.

OK, so Randolph is still bitter over his firing. And maybe the fact that the Mets are in the middle of a nine-game winning streak that has them just a half-game out under the guidance of his former bench coach, Jerry Manuel. That's understandable.

But then why even bother showing up at the Stadium, where you know reporters will be waiting to talk to you. And perhaps the worst of it all was Randolph acting oblivious to the half-dozen reporters walking with him through the gate. Not even making eye contact. Simply pretending to hear or see nothing.

There was no "I'm not talking tonight, guys," or "I'm excited George invited me back." Nothing. I've been treated far better by Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and whoever else has been painted a villain in the media. Joe Torre was not thrilled by the way he was dumped by the Yankees at the end of last season, but his dealings with the media have never been affected. He may not always be overjoyed to speak with reporters, but he is always professional. Torre gets it.

Here's a news flash for Willie: None of the beat reporters fired you. I guess we'll all just have to wait for the book -- Randolph signed an exclusive deal last year with Daily News reporter Wayne Coffey -- to know if he enjoyed last night's All-Star tribute to Yankee Stadium.

[foodcourtdruide]

.

How could you blame Willie? He had to take a LATE FLIGHT! It was the worst moment in sports history. DISGRACE!

[BoondockSaint]

Pedro got a cortizone shot today and had his start pushed back from Sunday to Tuesday.


But in other news, tonight we go for the
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/images/perfect10.jpg

[BeerBandit]

Phillies just picked up Joe Blanton. Pressure's going to be on Omar. I hope he doesn't panic. Let's see how this shakes out.

[BoondockSaint]

Phillies just picked up Joe Blanton. Pressure's going to be on Omar. I hope he doesn't panic. Let's see how this shakes out.

Actually, he has dominated the Mets in 2 starts. But if Beane is trading him then his arm is about to fall off.

[hammersavage]

fuckin beans....

[tbagnu]

wow!! santana sure looks scary!! he might win 30 games this year i might add!!:flush:

[NickyL0885]

wow!! santana sure looks scary!! he might win 30 games this year i might add!!:flush:

yea b/c Adam Eaton is the next cy young.

[K.C.]

yea b/c Adam Eaton is the next cy young.

Is Eaton making $20 mil?

The best thing about it is that Steve Phillips said on Baseball Tonight last night that Santana would be undefeated the rest of the year.

Who knows, maybe the Mets tie it up to take that jackass off the hook for another start.

[tbagnu]

dude..ALL phils fans know eaton blows..we didn't announce to the world that the division was ours when we signed him though, as a majority of mets fans seemed to do when you acquired santana

[K.C.]

dude..ALL phils fans know eaton blows..we didn't announce to the world that the division was ours when we signed him though, as a majority of mets fans seemed to do when you acquired santana

Eaton's not even in the rotation anymore with the Blanton trade.

He's old news.

[BoondockSaint]

Tatis!

[NickyL0885]

I just want the team to win. I dont care if Johan wins 20 or not. W's are what matters. and with Pedro and El Duque being hobbled, why not bring up Jon Niese? He is the best pitching prospect they have. why not. or even Bobby Parnell.

[NickyL0885]

Orlando Hernandez was removed due to foot soreness after pitching one inning in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton tonight.


Game Over Man! oy vey.....

[BoondockSaint]

Wright!

[Friday]

Wright!

Wrong!




sorry... i couldn't help myself. :flush:

[BoondockSaint]

Wrong!




sorry... i couldn't help myself. :flush:

Boooooooooooooooo


This team is awesome.

[BoondockSaint]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_53/114505670260wCwI.jpg

[K.C.]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_53/114505670260wCwI.jpg

*ahem*

[spadanko]

What a fucking win!!!!

[Kevin]

Ol Johan did not have his best stuff tonight, i see..

[spadanko]

Ol Johan did not have his best stuff tonight, i see..

eh.. i'll get over it... he seems to be the time of guy that too much rest or if he is not on schedule he gets all jammed up (like how Mussina likes to always stay on schedule)

[Kevin]

eh.. i'll get over it... he seems to be the time of guy that too much rest or if he is not on schedule he gets all jammed up (like how Mussina likes to always stay on schedule)

Again, and i made this argument for Wang, so is not an anti Met thing..

A real ace pitches anywhere any time. So you are telling me say the Mets sweep a playoff series, and the other series goes 7, and you have to wait 5 6 days to pitch that Johan will not be good for game 1?

[hammersavage]

http://pbskids.org/sesame/coloring/images/10_cookie.gif

[K.C.]

A real ace pitches anywhere any time. So you are telling me say the Mets sweep a playoff series, and the other series goes 7, and you have to wait 5 6 days to pitch that Johan be good for game 1?


Why waste your time with hypotheticals about things that will never happen?

[spadanko]

Again, and i made this argument for Wang, so is not an anti Met thing..

A real ace pitches anywhere any time. So you are telling me say the Mets sweep a playoff series, and the other series goes 7, and you have to wait 5 6 days to pitch that Johan will not be good for game 1?


oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. this is something he needs to get over. i'll attribute this one to too much rest. But i do expect more from him indeed. it's crunch time now

[spadanko]

listening to Santana now, interesting point, he couldn't get a bullpen session in because of the Billy joel concert.

He probably should have just thrown on Sunday. they should have prepared for that

[Friday]

listening to Santana now, interesting point, he couldn't get a bullpen session in because of the Billy joel concert.

He probably should have just thrown on Sunday. they should have prepared for that

that seems kind of retarded.
shouldn't the team come before the guest artist? such silliness.

but a nice win tonight! glad the All Star break didn't kill the momentum. w00t!

[spadanko]

that seems kind of retarded.
shouldn't the team come before the guest artist? such silliness.

but a nice win tonight! glad the All Star break didn't kill the momentum. w00t!

yeah i guess they had to take monday and tuesday to set up for last night.. pretty crazy

[Kevin]

yeah i guess they had to take monday and tuesday to set up for last night.. pretty crazy

Couldn't he have went to Keyspan to throw? Its not that far from Shea.

[Gmann]

because you need THAT much room to basically play catch ?

Excuses excuses

[NickyL0885]

Why waste your time with hypotheticals about things that will never happen?

if i remember correctly, 2 years ago the Mets swept the Dodgers in the first round.

[foodcourtdruide]

Santana had a bad start.. it happens, hopefully he can bounce back next start. Honestly, he's the least of my concerns with this team. Very good win tonight, but I'm bracing myself for a 10 game losing streak so we can prove our mediocrity.

[BoondockSaint]

Tonight, this streak goes to
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/Movies/SpinalTap.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

It's hard to pinpoint what this team will do at the deadline. They don't have much to give up in the ways of prospects, so I don't expect them to land a big name, however they are definitely short on outfield depth. With the unexpected resurgence of Tatis it makes ZERO sense to take him out of the line-up right now, however anyone who has ever watched baseball knows he's probably just as likely to go 0 for the next 21 as he is to continue his hot hitting. I like having Chavez in the line-up because his outfield glove is so phenominal (though he made a bad play yesterday), but I don't think he fits as a 2 hitter.

Part of me just wants them not to do anything with the outfield. There is no telling what you will get out of Church for the rest of the season, but if he returns I could totally live with Church, Chavez, Tatis and Beltran in the outfield, but I think it's a big risk. If Tatis comes back to reality and Church is constantly on the DL that puts a HUGE hole in LF and in a line-up that will already contain Chavez, Schneider and Castillo/Easley that could be dangerous.

[K.C.]

It's hard to pinpoint what this team will do at the deadline. They don't have much to give up in the ways of prospects, so I don't expect them to land a big name, however they are definitely short on outfield depth. With the unexpected resurgence of Tatis it makes ZERO sense to take him out of the line-up right now, however anyone who has ever watched baseball knows he's probably just as likely to go 0 for the next 21 as he is to continue his hot hitting. I like having Chavez in the line-up because his outfield glove is so phenominal (though he made a bad play yesterday), but I don't think he fits as a 2 hitter.

Part of me just wants them not to do anything with the outfield. There is no telling what you will get out of Church for the rest of the season, but if he returns I could totally live with Church, Chavez, Tatis and Beltran in the outfield, but I think it's a big risk. If Tatis comes back to reality and Church is constantly on the DL that puts a HUGE hole in LF and in a line-up that will already contain Chavez, Schneider and Castillo/Easley that could be dangerous.


As someone who follows the rumor mill pretty closely, the ONLY player in the last two months I've heard the Mets name mentioned with is reliever Brian Fuentes from the Rockies.

And even that doesn't make much sense (assuming they had the goods to pull it off, which they don't appear). That'd give them four lefties in the bullpen. A little excessive.

Ibanez came up, briefly, too, but is another left-handed bat. They need a righty.


I don't think they have the goods to get Xavier Nady or Jason Bay unless they part with Fernando Martinez. I don't think they'll do that.


I know you guys are having a Tatis lovefest right now, but I would honestly be stunned if he:
a) stayed healthy all year.
b) played anywhere close to this caliber for most of the second half.


And Chavez stinks offensively.

Church is decent if they get him back, but they need another, preferably right-handed corner outfielder, and maybe a right-handed reliever.

Not sure they have the goods they can pull off a top notch player at either position.


You may see them take a shot on someone's overpriced garbage that they're trying to dump, since the one thing the Mets can do is absorb salary.

But it's hard to see a significant move for them at this point. They kind of fired most of their bullets with Santana.

The one guy that may be a Wild Card in terms of value is Heilman, if someone wants him as a starter.

[foodcourtdruide]

As someone who follows the rumor mill pretty closely, the ONLY player in the last two months I've heard the Mets name mentioned with is reliever Brian Fuentes from the Rockies.

And even that doesn't make much sense (assuming they had the goods to pull it off, which they don't appear). That'd give them four lefties in the bullpen. A little excessive.

Ibanez came up, briefly, too, but is another left-handed bat. They need a righty.


I don't think they have the goods to get Xavier Nady or Jason Bay unless they part with Fernando Martinez. I don't think they'll do that.


I know you guys are having a Tatis lovefest right now, but I would honestly be stunned if he:
a) stayed healthy all year.
b) played anywhere close to this caliber for most of the second half.


And Chavez stinks offensively.

Church is decent if they get him back, but they need another, preferably right-handed corner outfielder, and maybe a right-handed reliever.

Not sure they have the goods they can pull off a top notch player at either position.


You may see them take a shot on someone's overpriced garbage that they're trying to dump, since the one thing the Mets can do is absorb salary.

But it's hard to see a significant move for them at this point. They kind of fired most of their bullets with Santana.

The one guy that may be a Wild Card in terms of value is Heilman, if someone wants him as a starter.

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. Chavez is a liability offensively, but he's SO good defensively that it's not as hard to swallow as the liability that Castillo is. If Minaya can magically land Nady without giving up Martinez I'd be very happy, but I seriously doubt that, because as you mentioned they simply don't have enough to get him.

Do you think they'll get enough for Heilman to trade that for Nady?

I would be just as stunned as you would if Tatis continued his production.

[K.C.]

Do you think they'll get enough for Heilman to trade that for Nady?

Heilman won't get them Nady, and I'm not entirely positive Heilman would get them anything worth the cost of losing him.

A lot of his value I think is contingent on if there's GMs who like him as a potential starter. I know Billy Beane used to, although the moves he's made suggest he's looking to add prospects.

One appealing thing about Heilman, though, is that he's under club control until 2010.

There's not a lot of great fits for the Mets, but maybe a guy like Randy Winn from the Giants who's a switch-hitter and can balance their lineup a little might work.

He'd be a nice veteran addition to the club.

The Mets might be able to pull something like that off. I imagine Winn will be a name that gets thrown around with a lot of teams before the deadline.

[PD]

I'm almost embarrassed to say I bailed out last night when Show gave up the double.

I'm not worried about Santana- a win is a win.

I agree that Mets will probably not make a big deal, and (esp if Church comes back), I'm not looking for a deal- I'd rather keep what few prospects there are.

[foodcourtdruide]

Bah.. crappy game tonight.

[scottinnj]

Phils win, Mets lose.

And the first place Phillies are a full game in first.....again.

(Just giving Boss some heat-wakka wakka!)

[BoondockSaint]

Can't win 'em all, I guess.

[BeerBandit]

Hey even the Rockies lost 1 outta 23 at the end of last year. Let's get another one started tonight behind Ollie.

[Kevin]

Hippos was back last night.. And the Mets end their 10 game winning streak..

Coincidence??

[K.C.]

Hippos was back last night.. And the Mets end their 10 game winning streak..

Coincidence??

I'd suggest that the Mets fans here pull together and ship him back to Vegas until the end of the season, but I hear he likes dice and ponies.

...so that could be a pretty steep tab.

[Bossanova]

Phils win, Mets lose.

And the first place Phillies are a full game in first.....again.

(Just giving Boss some heat-wakka wakka!)

Well at least we only blew a tie this time and not a 7 game lead

[BeerBandit]

How do both Wright and Beltran watch strike 3 blow past them, when Lincoln's clearly pitching with control. He was not going to miss with a full count and the bases loaded. Fucking passive hitting.

[cougarjake13]

Hippos was back last night.. And the Mets end their 10 game winning streak..

Coincidence??



god damn jinxy

i shoulda known he was behind this

[BoondockSaint]

Congrats to Reyes. Can't believe that he already owns the Mets triples record. He's going to have the stolen bases record this year, too.

[NickyL0885]

fucking anderson........if we lose, id bench his ass. he screwed up Pelfrey this inning.

[Friday]

pfft

:sleep:

[BoondockSaint]

They really need to win this game.

[BoondockSaint]

Carlos Delgado is my favorite Delgado.

[cougarjake13]

Congrats to Reyes. Can't believe that he already owns the Mets triples record. He's going to have the stolen bases record this year, too.

he already has the steals record he set it last year

unless you meant career wise

[Kevin]

Carlos Delgado is my favorite Delgado.

Wilson is inconsolable, somewhere.

[hammersavage]

We HAVE to win this game

[hammersavage]

RAAAAAAAMMMOOOOOOOONNNN, give me an RBI!!!!

[hammersavage]

Tatis has to be on second when Beltran gets thrown out. Should scored there.

[Friday]

roar.

[hammersavage]

Hey, 3 pitches in Dusty woke up. thats good to see...

[Kevin]

See the thing Dusty is wearing on his head? He is really Gangsta!

[Friday]

error!

w00t!

[Friday]

bring on the Phils.

[PD]

it still wasn't pretty, but I'll take it.

[BoondockSaint]

bring on the Phils.

3 out of 4

[hammersavage]

Absolutely had to have it and they pulled it out. This team easily could have been swept with the way they played but managed to get a split and sit in 1st place.

I'll be at the stadium Wednesday cheering with every ounce of my being. Let's go boys...

[Towelie]

Statement series coming up.

We can clinch the season series with a sweep.

Santana v. Blanton
Maine v. Moyer
Perez v. Myers

Yea, we really should sweep.

[PD]

good sign - delgado hitting.
bad sign - those replacements in OF can't play defense;
also - Jerry needs to call for more lessons on how to run bases.
as was pointed out by Keith, Cancel almost didn't score in 10th because he didnt take the appropriate lead on attempted DP; Tatis should have followed Beltran when he tried to steal 3rd, etc.

Even though Big Pelf gave up 3 hrs (he had only given up 4 for season), he persevered and gave em 7.

Mets have fly ball pitchers, not good for Philly, but 2 are lefties. the bats need to keep it up.

[Towelie]

And we sit only 5 games behind the Cubs for the best record in the NL.

Funny how things work out

[Bossanova]

How do both Wright and Beltran watch strike 3 blow past them, when Lincoln's clearly pitching with control. He was not going to miss with a full count and the bases loaded. Fucking passive hitting.

Do you think Beltran even realizes that he strikes out with the bat glued to his shoulder almost every game.

[Kevin]

Do you think Beltran even realizes that he strikes out with the bat glued to his shoulder almost every game.

He is a very selective, patient hitter.

[BoondockSaint]

Do you think Beltran even realizes that he strikes out with the bat glued to his shoulder almost every game.

Of course.

[Bossanova]

Of course.

I guess i should have asked if he cares though

[BoondockSaint]

I guess i should have asked if he cares though

Don't worry, sexy!

[Bossanova]

Don't worry, sexy!

You always know how to make me feel better

[BoondockSaint]

You always know how to make me feel better

I {heart} you

[Bossanova]

I {heart} you

Ditto :wub:

[Kevin]

Get a room

[BoondockSaint]

Ditto :wub:

You know what we should do?

[BoondockSaint]

Get a room


F U Big G

[Bossanova]

Phils win, Mets lose.

And the first place Phillies are a full game in first.....again.

(Just giving Boss some heat-wakka wakka!)

Hey Cunt Job, look who is tied for first again. Good job against the Marlins.


wakka-wakka

[Bossanova]

Well why wouldnt this happen now? Wagner to have his shoulder examined tomorrow

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080720&content_id=3164254&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

[lleeder]

Time to make Pedro the closer.

[Kevin]

Well why wouldnt this happen now? Wagner to have his shoulder examined tomorrow

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080720&content_id=3164254&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

I blame Delgado. If he would not have gotten that game tying RBI single, then Wagner would have never pitched, and felt any discomfort.

[Bossanova]

I blame Delgado. If he would not have gotten that game tying RBI single, than Wagner would have never pitched, and felt any discomfort.

A bunch of bums for making him work extra

[BoondockSaint]

I blame Delgado. If he would not have gotten that game tying RBI single, than Wagner would have never pitched, and felt any discomfort.

Racist.

[Kevin]

Racist.

Err. I meant, Latino American, Delgado.. Sorry.

[BoondockSaint]

Err. I meant, Latino American, Delgado.. Sorry.

You better hope that Big Daddy Delgado never shows up in Kosovo.

[PD]

"I'm old -- I'm supposed to hurt," said Wagner, who turns 37 on Friday.
I know philly hated him, but I like his mouth.

Beltran is known for having a selective eye, but he needs to learn situational hitting- there is a time and place to let a borderline pitch go.

[Bossanova]

You better hope that Big Daddy Delgado never shows up in Kosovo.

Sadly though, the only thing Kevin needs to do is say there is 1 out and a runner on first and Delgado will collapse

[Kevin]

Sadly though, the only thing Kevin needs to do is say there is 1 out and a runner on first and Delgado will collapse

Or, GROUND BALL TO 1ST!!

[hammersavage]

Beltran is known for having a selective eye, but he needs to learn situational hitting- there is a time and place to let a borderline pitch go.

Well said. He has a great eye but in that spot, against a pitcher with decent control, you have to swing. Same thing for David.

[Bossanova]

Well said. He has a great eye but in that spot, against a pitcher with decent control, you have to swing. Same thing for David.

Or any at bat he has two strikes on him. Little League gentlemen, "anything close"

[BoondockSaint]

Or, GROUND BALL TO 1ST!!

At least he doesn't refer to himself as the Big D.

[Kevin]

At least he doesn't refer to himself as the Big D.

Who refers to himself as the big D?

[Bossanova]

Who refers to himself as the big D?

I think thats what Jeter refers to ARod at night

[BoondockSaint]

Who refers to himself as the big D?

Giambi now calls himself "Big G"

[Kevin]

I think thats what Jeter refers to ARod at night

I wouldn't be making gay jokes when you have Jose Reyes on your team.

[Kevin]

Giambi now calls himself "Big G"

Eww, when the hell did this happen? I have not been able to watch any games all weekend.

[Bossanova]

I wouldn't be making gay jokes when you have Jose Reyes on your team.

We here in Met land live by a don't ask don't tell policy

[BoondockSaint]

Eww, when the hell did this happen? I have not been able to watch any games all weekend.

It started when the the Big G was making a push for the All Star game.

[spadanko]

By the way, No Mri for wagner... he felt better on the flight home

[PD]

By the way, No Mri for wagner... he felt better on the flight home

and his wife had stuff for him to do today that didn't include Dr visit.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

lets take 2 of 3

I like the pitching match ups




also, fuck Castillo in his old ass, I hope he tears an ACL

[cougarjake13]

Time to make Pedro the closer.

i'd give it a shot he cant go past 4 innings anymore anyway

[PD]

MRI shows no structural damage (http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080722&content_id=1468614&oid=36018&vkey=9)

day to day.

Need a statement game from Sanatana.

[NickyL0885]

MRI shows no structural damage (http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080722&content_id=1468614&oid=36018&vkey=9)

day to day.

Need a statement game from Sanatana.

yea, he cant blame Billy Joel this time around.

[hammersavage]

Dear Johan,

This is why we traded for you buddy. Step up big tonight. Don't pitch well, or effective, just get a win. Tonight is an absolute statement game.

-Mets fans

[Kevin]

Dear Johan,

This is why we traded for you buddy. Step up big tonight. Don't pitch well, or effective, just get a win. Tonight is an absolute statement game.

-Mets fans

Odd...

[hammersavage]

I meant don't just pitch well or effective. that's not good enough.

[Kevin]

I meant don't just pitch well or effective. that's not good enough.

Oh, ok, that makes more sense.

[hammersavage]

I guess I gotta start trusting Delgado again?

Hold this Johan!!

[docgoblin]

Be nice if they could get a few extra runs for him for once.

[docgoblin]

You HAVE to be kidding me!!!!! Tom Seaver once said that no one should ever be able to get a bat on an 0-2 pitch!... With the Mets it happens CONSTANTLY!!!!

[Kevin]

Nice work Jose..

[docgoblin]

I can't watch this disaster... goodnight!

[NickyL0885]

FIRE WILLIE!!!.....j/k


But seriously, i just woke up from a nap an I got to see this shit?


http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/02/13/joe_beningo_does_a_sammy_davis_sn_2.jpg

"What A Disasta!"

[spadanko]

yeah we don't need wagner.. right guys?

Feliciano is fucking garbage....

[NickyL0885]

The only person i dont blame is Smith b/c he got the groundball but Jose tried to be fancy and do too much!!!

[Kevin]

FIRE WILLIE!!!.....j/k


But seriously, i just woke up from a nap an I got to see this shit?


http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/02/13/joe_beningo_does_a_sammy_davis_sn_2.jpg

"What A Disasta!"

Oh... The Pain..

This one has to hurt.

[Friday]

jesus fucking christ.

ugh.

i like you Reyes.... but really?
and now we suffer.

[tbagnu]

Dear Johan,

This is why we traded for you buddy. Step up big tonight. Don't pitch well, or effective, just get a win. Tonight is an absolute statement game.

-Mets fans

YES!! Statement MADE!!! FACE!!!:clap:

[scottinnj]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2008/02/23/lidge_brad_getty_260.jpg


TURN THAT SHIT UP!!!

[Friday]

pleh

[scottinnj]

"Beat the Mets!"

"Come up to Shea, and BEAT the Mets!"



Yeah, you're fight song stinks, just like the team.

[K.C.]

"Beat the Mets!"

"Come up to Shea, and BEAT the Mets!"



Yeah, you're fight song stinks, just like the team.


And what the hell is this thing???

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/mrmets.jpg


None of the class of the Phillie Phanatic...the greatest mascot in sports!

[scottinnj]

And what the hell is this thing???

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/mrmets.jpg






That's Wagner on a bender.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6636/disasta1um6.jpg

[scottinnj]

Seriously, I like the baseball coverage on XM because I get to hear the other teams' announcers when the Phightin Phils are on the road...and your guys aren't that bad.

[scottinnj]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/themarshal/MetsLose.jpg

[spadanko]

man you guys are erally coming out tonight... you weren't here when teh Mets won 10 straight.. it's ok though.. have fun

[spadanko]

Seriously, I like the baseball coverage on XM because I get to hear the other teams' announcers when the Phightin Phils are on the road...and your guys aren't that bad.


I don't like wayne Hagan that much. Howie Rose rules jsut because he has been a fan forever and he knows the pain

[K.C.]

man you guys are erally coming out tonight... you weren't here when teh Mets won 10 straight.. it's ok though.. have fun

Don't feel bad. Look on the bright side.

You guys DEFINITELY won the first eight innings.

:tongue:

[spadanko]

Don't feel bad. Look on the bright side.

You guys DEFINITELY won the first eight innings.

:tongue:

*shakes fist*

why I outta!!!

[Kevin]

Don't feel bad. Look on the bright side.

You guys DEFINITELY won the first eight innings.

:tongue:

Technically.. 2-8..

Phils won the 1st..

[Tenbatsuzen]

Seriously, I like the baseball coverage on XM because I get to hear the other teams' announcers when the Phightin Phils are on the road...and your guys aren't that bad.

For a "second rate team", the Mets' TV and Radio presentation is much, much better than the Yankees. The best was Howie and Ed Coleman last year, but their TV crew is awesome. It's Ed Coleman plus Ron Darling (who is lightyears better than Cone but Leiter is pretty good) and Keith Hernandez (who rules)

[K.C.]

For a "second rate team", the Mets' TV and Radio presentation is much, much better than the Yankees. The best was Howie and Ed Coleman last year, but their TV crew is awesome. It's Ed Coleman plus Ron Darling (who is lightyears better than Cone but Leiter is pretty good) and Keith Hernandez (who rules)

QFT

I will give that to the Mets ANY day.

John Sterling and Susyn Waldman are an ABOMINATION.

Not sure about the Yanks' TV broadcasters. Isn't Paul O'Neill on that team?

[Kevin]

QFT

I will give that to the Mets ANY day.

John Sterling and Susyn Waldman are an ABOMINATION.

Not sure about the Yanks' TV broadcasters. Isn't Paul O'Neill on that team?

Yes.. but he is not on that much

I like Lieter the best from all of the announcers. He even makes Kay tolerable by tooling on him.

[NickyL0885]

For a "second rate team", the Mets' TV and Radio presentation is much, much better than the Yankees. The best was Howie and Ed Coleman last year, but their TV crew is awesome. It's Ed Coleman plus Ron Darling (who is lightyears better than Cone but Leiter is pretty good) and Keith Hernandez (who rules)

Ed Coleman? You Mean GARY COHEN? and last year on the radio, it was Howie Rose and Tom McCarthy. Ed Coleman is the mets sideline guy an occasionaly fill in for the Radio. Gary, Keith and Ron do the TV.

[K.C.]

I'm going to, in Opie speak, 'break down the fourth wall' for a second and ask a legitimate question.

The masochistic side of me drove me to listen to a little WFAN after the game tonight, and look around and kind of gauge the pulse of the Mets fan base.

And I can't understand for a second how anybody can hang that loss on Santana not having the 'killer instinct' to pitch the 9th, yet I've seen and heard it at least two dozen times tonight.

The guy pitched fantastic. Eight innings, two earned runs...you can't ask for much more. If your bullpen can't get three outs with a three run lead, you don't DESERVE to win. No team does.

That loss has nothing to do with Santana.


Yet, he, along with Manuel are getting brutalized by their own fans for this. How can Mets fans NOT like Santana?

[NickyL0885]

I'm going to, in Opie speak, 'break down the fourth wall' for a second and ask a legitimate question.

The masochistic side of me drove me to listen to a little WFAN after the game tonight, and look around and kind of gauge the pulse of the Mets fan base.

And I can't understand for a second how anybody can hang that loss on Santana not having the 'killer instinct' to pitch the 9th, yet I've seen and heard it at least two dozen times tonight.

The guy pitched fantastic. Eight innings, two earned runs...you can't ask for much more. If your bullpen can't get three outs with a three run lead, you don't DESERVE to win. No team does.

That loss has nothing to do with Santana.


Yet, he, along with Manuel are getting brutalized by their own fans for this. How can Mets fans NOT like Santana?

B/c alot of NY fans are fickle an fake. I hate to say it but its true.

[scottinnj]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/themarshal/PhilsTortureMets.png


Is the guy on the left with his beer on the dugout, and the kid on the right with the look of horror as he watches his team disintegrate in front of him.

[scottinnj]

man you guys are erally coming out tonight... you weren't here when teh Mets won 10 straight.. it's ok though.. have fun

The beauty of that statement is like I said before.


You have played brilliant ball in July while the Phils have been at the lowest for the season, and yet, we are still a full game ahead of you, and look out! Here come the Marlins to put you into third.



But then the baseball gods will decide I've been gloating too much and by the end of August Utley will be on the DL and we're 10 games below .500

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Johan is the almost win Cy Young

[spadanko]

The beauty of that statement is like I said before.


You have played brilliant ball in July while the Phils have been at the lowest for the season, and yet, we are still a full game ahead of you, and look out! Here come the Marlins to put you into third.



But then the baseball gods will decide I've been gloating too much and by the end of August Utley will be on the DL and we're 10 games below .500

Hahaha I have a huge fear of the baseball gods. I try to never talk shit and give credit where credit is due.

[spadanko]

I'm going to, in Opie speak, 'break down the fourth wall' for a second and ask a legitimate question.

The masochistic side of me drove me to listen to a little WFAN after the game tonight, and look around and kind of gauge the pulse of the Mets fan base.

And I can't understand for a second how anybody can hang that loss on Santana not having the 'killer instinct' to pitch the 9th, yet I've seen and heard it at least two dozen times tonight.

The guy pitched fantastic. Eight innings, two earned runs...you can't ask for much more. If your bullpen can't get three outs with a three run lead, you don't DESERVE to win. No team does.

That loss has nothing to do with Santana.


Yet, he, along with Manuel are getting brutalized by their own fans for this. How can Mets fans NOT like Santana?


Most of the people that call in WFAN are fucking retards and they put them on to get a rise out of the listeners. That loss had nothing to due with santana. Sanchez needed to man up, and feliciano needed to be shot.

but I digress. Back to FAN. Most of those people also think that Johan has 200 CGs in his career. They don't know he only has 6 (i believe). And they are always hung up on the money. Which for me is not a big deal because 1) it's not my money 2) we are a NY team. the money doesn't matter

[PD]

Most of the people that call in WFAN are fucking retards and they put them on to get a rise out of the listeners. That loss had nothing to due with santana. Sanchez needed to man up, and feliciano needed to be shot.

but I digress. Back to FAN. Most of those people also think that Johan has 200 CGs in his career. They don't know he only has 6 (i believe). And they are always hung up on the money. Which for me is not a big deal because 1) it's not my money 2) we are a NY team. the money doesn't matter


absolutely.
This loss killed me- not because they lost, but it was the same crap we saw last year- bad d, bleeders, and no one in pen to stop the bleeding.

Yes, it would have been nice if Santana demanded the ball, but it was Manuel's call, and no matter what, your Pen needs to hold a 3 run lead vs the bottom of the order.

We'll see today if this carries over, or team can right ship.

[Friday]

hopefully they can take advantage of the pitching weakness of the Phils tonight and even up the series.

they better!!

or else.

*sigh*


Steve Somers here, you there!

[NickyL0885]

John Maine needs to be John Maine and pitch a good game. Stop with the 100 pitch count by the 5th inning. Work that high fastball. Speaking of Maine, im debating getting a jersey with him on it. Is it worth it? You think the Mets will re-sign him? Id hate to get it then in like a yr or two, hes with like...Texas or Seattle

[hammersavage]

Am i gonna get all the way out there to get rained out? Nothing worse than a rain out. Unless it was gonna be another game like last night, then it should never stop raining.

[Kevin]

Delgado's stache is trash, and his beard is weird.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/tien%20mao/2006_05_sjustformen.jpg

[hammersavage]

Well, I'm here. No rain so far unless you count the bombs hit off Maine. Get out of the 5th and THEN pour. Blackberrys rule.

[Kevin]

Well, I'm here. No rain so far unless you count the bombs hit off Maine. Get out of the 5th and THEN pour. Blackberrys rule.

After last nights disaster, you really would settle for a cheap ass win like that?

I would take it, but i'd want my tem to show me something and beat this team the right way.

[Friday]

ooh ooh

thank you, jose :)

[hammersavage]

After last nights disaster, you really would settle for a cheap ass win like that?


I've settled for cheap ass my whole life. Why stop now?

[cougarjake13]

win is a win who cares how many innings it takes

[hammersavage]

Billy, Billy, Billy. This is a big inning Billy. C'mon Billy...

[cougarjake13]

Billy, Billy, Billy. This is a big inning Billy. C'mon Billy...



sssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[docgoblin]

BEAUTIFUL!!!... WELCOME BACK WAGS!!!!:clap:

[Friday]

schweet!

[cougarjake13]

alls right in mets land

[scottinnj]

Hoped you enjoyed that win tonight. Tomorrow at noon, you face Moyers. We'll win this series, and you'll be back a game with the Marlins tomorrow night.

[Friday]

Hoped you enjoyed that win tonight. Tomorrow at noon, you face Moyers. We'll win this series, and you'll be back a game with the Marlins tomorrow night.

what is this "you" and "we'll" shit?
YOU will be sitting on your ample bottom and watching.
THEY will be playing.

good day, sir!

[hammersavage]

I'm glad we have Friday on our side...

[scottinnj]

what is this "you" and "we'll" shit?
YOU will be sitting on your ample bottom and watching.
THEY will be playing.

good day, sir!

Well, you have a point.

[hammersavage]

Hoped you enjoyed that win tonight. Tomorrow at noon, you face Moyers. We'll win this series, and you'll be back a game with the Marlins tomorrow night.

Myers is 0-6 with a 7.91 ERA in 10 starts on the road this year. I like our chances...

[Towelie]

12:10 getaway day?

Awful.

[hammersavage]

Bump so no one forgets about the early start. Need Perez to keep on owning the Phils if the rain holds out.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

uggh all you are gonna see in the crowd are those UGLY camp shirts

can those evil camps humiliate kids anymore than those ugly bright shirts

[PD]

Myers is 0-6 with a 7.91 ERA in 10 starts on the road this year. I like our chances...

mets do poorly vs soft tossing Moyer.
I still like the pitching matchup; maybe its time to do to Moyers what they did to Adam Eaton earlier in the year.

HUGE play last night was Wags hustling to beat Victorino at 1b; if he non-chalants the way other Met pitchers have done, it starts to feel like Deja vu.

[K.C.]

mets do poorly vs soft tossing Moyer.
I still like the pitching matchup; maybe its time to do to Moyers what they did to Adam Eaton earlier in the year.

HUGE play last night was Wags hustling to beat Victorino at 1b; if he non-chalants the way other Met pitchers have done, it starts to feel like Deja vu.

The only thing they're going to do with Moyer is watch that 75 MPH heat blow by them.

[NickyL0885]

Im looking for Ollie to pitch good. Ever since Dan Warthen came in, hes been so much better. I know we lost his last start but he didnt pitch bad, he kept the team in the game. We just couldnt put up any runs. Plus Ollie thrives in these big games. If he has a good second half, give him 5/55. Sorta like what Gil Meche got. Hey, someone will give it too him and with Boras as his agent, your not gonna get him cheap. Hes a a power lefty. Teams love that, especially if he becomes consistent. I mean, Id like Sheets next yr b/c he takes over Pedros slot but will they commit the years an money to another pitcher. I would like Santana-Sheets-Maine-Perez-Pelfrey. But if no Sheets, give a young kid in the system a chance.

[Kevin]

uggh all you are gonna see in the crowd are those UGLY camp shirts

can those evil camps humiliate kids anymore than those ugly bright shirts

repressed childhood feelings, Hippos?

[K.C.]

uggh all you are gonna see in the crowd are those UGLY camp shirts

can those evil camps humiliate kids anymore than those ugly bright shirts

Ugly shirts, on ugly kids, in an ugly stadium.

Sounds like a winner of a promotion to me!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

repressed childhood feelings, Hippos?


mine was Orange, I looked like a young Billy Staples

[hammersavage]

9 k's for Ollie. I guess the rock made all the difference

[Friday]

doh

better get those bats on, boys.

[hammersavage]

Can't let a dominate start like this go to waste. Somebody step up! (although I guess Philly could be saying the same thing)

[Friday]

ugh

[Friday]

now That was a sweet hit.

[Servo]

Delgado!

[NickyL0885]

WOO WOO!!! come on Billy, shut the door.

[hammersavage]

Delgado!!!!!

[NickyL0885]

Suck It Philly!!! Mets In 1st Place!!!!!!

[Friday]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuckers!!

[hammersavage]

Your up to the minute standings:

2008 National League - Standings
EAST W L PCT GB
NY Mets 55 47 .535 -
Phila. 54 48 .535 1
Florida 53 48 .525 1.5
Atlanta 48 53 .475 6.5
Wash. 38 63 .376 16.5

[PD]

Wagner 2 saves in this series

Delgado (yes Delgado?????!!!!!!) with huge hit

[PD]

The only thing they're going to do with Moyer is watch that 75 MPH heat blow by them.
At least you can take one positive today-

Phillies FINALLY scored a run vs Ollie

[Kevin]

Nice job by the Mets. Showed alot bouncing back from that terrible loss.

[Towelie]

But in reality...who cares. They're second tier right now.

I need to get back to talking about a winner. :wink:

:bye:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

1 bad inning away from a sweep


good work boys in rebounding


Time to Bash the Birds and Squish the Fish






uggh squish the fish, and bash the birds, I stink, just kill me

[hammersavage]

uggh squish the fish, and bash the birds, I stink[/SIZE], just kill me


don't beat yourself up. we need rhyming puns in the world.

[Towelie]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2hykmll.gif

[Towelie]

Jimmy Rollins is sooooooooooo much maturer then Reyes.

Way to show up 2 hours late

And this made me lol

Before leaving, he added a confident assessment of the division race: "(The Mets) find themselves in first place right now. Not too much different than this time last year."

I love that line of thinking. If he thinks we'll blow another 7 game lead, he's insane.

[cougarjake13]

Hoped you enjoyed that win tonight. Tomorrow at noon, you face Moyers. We'll win this series, and you'll be back a game with the Marlins tomorrow night.

how'd that work out for ya ??

[scottinnj]

Congrats on the win on Thursday. I hope we kept first place nice and warm for you. Enjoy.

[scottinnj]

how'd that work out for ya ??

Not so good. Congrats on the win.

[Marc with a c]

the best part about the win is the absence on KC

[K.C.]

the best part about the win is the absence on KC

What...I was on the whole game!

When have I ever not taken my beating when deserved?

[cougarjake13]

Not so good. Congrats on the win.

thanks although i had nothing to do with it

im sure we'll be co-firsters again in the future

[NickyL0885]

Not that it matters much but wtf is the with announcer speaking spanish when saying who is coming up next to bat? Did i miss something? Is it bring your spanish to work day?

[K.C.]

Xavier Nady pulled from the Pirates lineup tonight. Suspected to have been traded. No indication of where to.

UPDATE: Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte were traded. No indication of what team.

[Towelie]

Xavier Nady pulled from the Pirates lineup tonight. Suspected to have been traded. No indication of where to.

Marte is in the deal as well.

Now its wait and see....Yankees maybe?

However Reid Brignac isnt in the Rays lineup tonight...


Hmmmm

[K.C.]

Marte is in the deal as well.

Now its wait and see....Yankees maybe?

However Reid Brignac isnt in the Rays lineup tonight...


Hmmmm

Rays is what I'm thinking. They were the last team linked with him in the latest rumors.

[Kevin]

Marte is in the deal as well.

Now its wait and see....Yankees maybe?

However Reid Brignac isnt in the Rays lineup tonight...


Hmmmm

Could be the Yanks.. or whatever 5 6 teams.

[K.C.]

Could be the Yanks.. or whatever 5 6 teams.

It's the Yankees.

Just been announced.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=958

[NickyL0885]

eh, Yanks still have no pitching.

[Towelie]

Yea I figured once Marte was in the deal it was going to be the Bronx.

[Kevin]

Espn news just said Yankees.

[Kevin]

eh, Yanks still have no pitching.

Really? Have you watch the Yankees pitch?

Their Pen with Marte is gunna be NASTY.

[K.C.]

Espn news just said Yankees.

I guess even Hank couldn't bring himself to sign Bonds.

Gotta think Kennedy's in the deal. Maybe Tabata, the outfield prospect, as well.

[Kevin]

I guess even Hank couldn't bring himself to sign Bonds.

Gotta think Kennedy's in the deal. Maybe Tabata, the outfield prospect, as well.

Tebata oledorf and 2 other prospects. Have not heard Kennedy..

[K.C.]

I guess even Hank couldn't bring himself to sign Bonds.

Gotta think Kennedy's in the deal. Maybe Tabata, the outfield prospect, as well.


Update: Peter Abraham is reporting via his blog that Phil Coke, a pitcher at Double-A Trenton has been pulled from his game. It’s expected, but not confirmed, that he is one of the players headed to Pittsburgh. I’ve also just learned that Ross Ohlendorf and at least one other player, perhaps two, will be the cost of Nady and Marte.

Wow, if they didn't give up Kennedy, it's a steal.

[Kevin]

Wow, if they didn't give up Kennedy, it's a steal.

Yea, he just pitched a dominating 1 hitter in the minors Thursday..

[Towelie]

That a boy Jose.

Thanks for those gimme runs St. Louis

[Kevin]

That a boy Jose.

Thanks for those gimme runs St. Louis

There is a game going on?

[Towelie]

There is a game going on?

Apparently.

[Kevin]

Apparently.

Isn't it such a let down after a big series? I know you still watch, but its not the same.

[Towelie]

Isn't it such a let down after a big series? I know you still watch, but its not the same.

Now it becomes "They better not fucking blow this lead"

But I do love watching Pelfrey pitch. Guy is just destroying people.

[cougarjake13]

Now it becomes "They better not fucking blow this lead"

But I do love watching Pelfrey pitch. Guy is just destroying people.



i'm just glad they didnt give up on him

[Kevin]

Now it becomes "They better not fucking blow this lead"

But I do love watching Pelfrey pitch. Guy is just destroying people.

He always had great stuff, just needed to harness it...

Was Pelfry pre or post awful 'i'll fix him in 10 minutes', Peterson..

I know Oli got better after he left.

[cougarjake13]

He always had great stuff, just needed to harness it...

Was Pelfry pre or post awful 'i'll fix him in 10 minutes', Peterson..

I know Oli got better after he left.


he hasnt lost since may 26 and peterson was fired june 17

so its close enough to maybe say post peterson

[Towelie]

Pelfrey has turned it around about a week before Willie was fired.

He's just starting to get command of all his stuff.

People forget he doesnt even have 2 years service time yet.

The Mets just rushed him way way way too fast

[cougarjake13]

delgado !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Man has Delgado been on fucking FIRE since that Yankee game.

[Kevin]

delgado !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ODAGLED!!!!!

[Towelie]

Good god. Delgado is fucking WRECKING.

Can he end July over .400?

[cougarjake13]

wow just looking at pelfreys baseball reference page pelfreys page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pelfrmi01.shtml#TRANS) and he was drfated in 02 by the d-rays but didnt sign and went to college


good for us

[Towelie]

wow just looking at pelfreys baseball reference page pelfreys page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pelfrmi01.shtml#TRANS) and he was drfated in 02 by the d-rays but didnt sign and went to college


good for us

The Mets drafted Clemens out of HS, the Yankees drafted Prior out of HS

Happens a lot.

[cougarjake13]

Good god. Delgado is fucking WRECKING.

Can he end July over .400?



he's currently at .397 so its within reach but he'd have to go 2 for 4 every night just about to do it

[cougarjake13]

The Mets drafted Clemens out of HS, the Yankees drafted Prior out of HS

Happens a lot.



finally someone else knows

ive been trying to tell my buddy for like forever that the mets drafted clemens but he didnt sign and he said bullshit and at the time i couldnt find anything to prove it other than the topps baseball card i had that said it on the back but i couldnt find the card


imagine if we had clemens and gooden ?? holy fuck

[NickyL0885]

Omg......is this Deja Vu? Please...get Sanchez out of there!!!!