New York Mets Offseason WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[docgoblin]

How can a 7-1 9th inning lead be such a problem!? :wallbash:

[Towelie]

How can a 7-1 9th inning lead be such a problem!? :wallbash:

Because we're Mets fans?

[TheMojoPin]

Salut, Mets. I'll resume hating you after this series.

[Friday]

i missed the game... but w00t!

same bat time tomorrow ;)

[Towelie]

Boston seems to want Manny gone, Manny seems to want out of Boston

Hmmmm

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/docs/images/manny.jpg

[Towelie]

GM Theo Epstein told FOX broadcaster Tim McCarver before Saturday's game that the Red Sox will make an effort to deal Manny Ramirez if he his no-trade clause.
We go through this every year with Manny, but the drama that has been stirred up this time around makes it seem a bit more legit. It's highly doubtful a deal could get done in time, but Epstein should get plenty of phone calls in the next couple of days.

Get it done Omar.

Anyone but Fernando, Flores, Tejada or Pena.

[Kevin]

Get it done Omar.

Anyone but Fernando, Flores, Tejada or Pena.

Sooooooooo.. You want to get Manny without giving up anyone remotely good..


Yea, that will get done.

You start with F Mart and work from there.

[Towelie]

Sooooooooo.. You want to get Manny without giving up anyone remotely good..


Yea, that will get done.

You start with F Mart and work from there.

No. They have absolutely no leverage.

None.

He's a free agent after the year, hes disgruntled, the team doesn't want him there and no other team has the money or the slot open for him.

We got Santana and a new contract without giving up Fernado, what makes you think Omar would deal him for an aging pending free agent?

[K.C.]

Sooooooooo.. You want to get Manny without giving up anyone remotely good..


Why are you surprised by that comment?


A Manny Ramirez for Marlon Anderson swap is obviously beneficial for both sides.

[K.C.]

No. They have absolutely no leverage.

None.

He's a free agent after the year, hes disgruntled, the team doesn't want him there and no other team has the money or the slot open for him.

We got Santana and a new contract without giving up Fernado, what makes you think Omar would deal him for an aging pending free agent?

Except the Red Sox are in a three way division race.

So it makes PERFECT sense they're going to deal one of their top bats for third rate Mets prospects.

[Kevin]

No. They have absolutely no leverage.

None.

He's a free agent after the year, hes disgruntled, the team doesn't want him there and no other team has the money or the slot open for him.

We got Santana and a new contract without giving up Fernado, what makes you think Omar would deal him for an aging pending free agent?

He is not a FA after the year. Redsox have 2 more team options on him.

[Kevin]

Why are you surprised by that comment?


A Manny Ramirez for Marlon Anderson swap is obviously beneficial for both sides.

Marlon can go right into LF, you are right.

[Towelie]

He is not a FA after the year. Redsox have 2 more team options on him.

The Red Sox agreed before the season to not pick up the options.

If they did, they'd face an epic shitstorm from the MLBPA

[Towelie]

Except the Red Sox are in a three way division race.

So it makes PERFECT sense they're going to deal one of their top bats for third rate Mets prospects.

Has Texieria's ball landed yet?

[Kevin]

The Red Sox agreed before the season to not pick up the options.

If they did, they'd face an epic shitstorm from the MLBPA

Where the hell are you getting this info?

The Redsox have said all year that they will pick up his options and they do not need to negotiate with him.

That is the whole problem. Manny wants a new deal and Redsox say they will just pick up the option.

[Towelie]

Where the hell are you getting this info?

The Redsox have said all year that they will pick up his options and they do not need to negotiate with him.

That is the whole problem. Manny wants a new deal and Redsox say they will just pick up the option.

(Not everything that happens behind the scenes is reported)

Manny does want a new deal. Just not in Boston.

[K.C.]

Has Texieria's ball landed yet?

Hope you didn't give up on that game yet.

Tee hee.

[K.C.]

IF Manny gets trade, the Mets are about the last place he would land.

Now, if he walks as a free agent, yeah, I could see him as a Met in '09.

But they have nothing worth anything to trade, save Fernando Martinez.

And if the Red Sox actually shopped Manny
a) They're not going to take just prospects.
b) They can get a better haul than Fernando Martinez.

My guess is he would land in LA, but I really see no shot of the Red Sox doing it in a pennant race.

Every year this rumor creeps up and every year it makes no sense.

[spadanko]

IF Manny gets trade, the Mets are about the last place he would land.

Now, if he walks as a free agent, yeah, I could see him as a Met in '09.

But they have nothing worth anything to trade, save Fernando Martinez.

And if the Red Sox actually shopped Manny
a) They're not going to take just prospects.
b) They can get a better haul than Fernando Martinez.

My guess is he would land in LA, but I really see no shot of the Red Sox doing it in a pennant race.

Every year this rumor creeps up and every year it makes no sense.



why would NY be the last place he would go? He is from Ny and he has a no trade clause and can basically decide where he would want to go. Why would he go to LA?

I don't see it happeneing, but i think he'd welcome a move to NY

[lleeder]

I think Manny will be on the Mets, Favre on the Jets, and the Islanders will get Iron Man to back up DiPietro.

[K.C.]

why would NY be the last place he would go? He is from Ny and he has a no trade clause and can basically decide where he would want to go. Why would he go to LA?

I don't see it happeneing, but i think he'd welcome a move to NY


The Mets have absolutely nothing to give up that the Red Sox would accept. Their farm system blows.

There's absolutely no way they could pull that trade off.

Manny will not be traded.

But if for some reason, Theo Epstein decides to blow up a team in the midst of a pennant race for some unknown reason, the Dodgers would easily be the best fit.

They've got a ton of prospects (far more than the Mets), they need offense desperately, and they could absorb the salary.

[Towelie]

The Mets have absolutely nothing to give up that the Red Sox would accept. Their farm system blows.

There's absolutely no way they could pull that trade off.

Manny will not be traded.

But if for some reason, Theo Epstein decides to blow up a team in the midst of a pennant race for some unknown reason, the Dodgers would easily be the best fit.

They've got a ton of prospects (far more than the Mets), they need offense desperately, and they could absorb the salary.

Do the words No Trade Clause mean anything to you?

[K.C.]

Do the words No Trade Clause mean anything to you?

The Red Sox will let him play out and walk, before they trade him for nothing.

That's why I will say for the third time, Manny won't be traded.

Nobody can explain to me how it would be remotely in the Red Sox interest to trade Manny for Martinez. If they were 10 games out...ok, maybe. But it's ridiculous to suggest they're going to give him up for prospects.

(Nevermind, that you believe they'll get Manny without Martinez being in the deal).

The Mets have no MLB ready prospects other than Martinez. They don't have anyone on their MLB team they'd part with...it makes no sense on any level on Boston's end.

[Towelie]

Jose! Jose! Jose!

Mvp Mvp Mvp!

[NickyL0885]

The Red Sox will let him play out and walk, before they trade him for nothing.

That's why I will say for the third time, Manny won't be traded.

Nobody can explain to me how it would be remotely in the Red Sox interest to trade Manny for Martinez. If they were 10 games out...ok, maybe. But it's ridiculous to suggest they're going to give him up for prospects.

(Nevermind, that you believe they'll get Manny without Martinez being in the deal).

The Mets have no MLB ready prospects other than Martinez. They don't have anyone on their MLB team they'd part with...it makes no sense on any level on Boston's end.

well, the sox can trade for Texiera, put Youkilis in left. so, ..Manny is replaceble.

[NickyL0885]

Jose! Jose! Jose!

Mvp Mvp Mvp!

If Reyes keeps it up, hes def MVP worthy. Heck, Wright has a shot as well.

[Towelie]

If Reyes keeps it up, hes def MVP worthy. Heck, Wright has a shot as well.

Braun I would say is the favorite.

But if they dont win the division, it will be Reyes or Wright (or dare I even consider Delgado)

[spadanko]

Jason Bay, Nate McClouth and Freddie Sanchez all pulled from the Pirates game

[Kevin]

Jason Bay, Nate McClouth and Freddie Sanchez all pulled from the Pirates game

I highly doubt McClouth is getting traded.. Where did u hear this.

[Kevin]

And that is the Ron Villone, Joe Torre broke..

[spadanko]

I highly doubt McClouth is getting traded.. Where did u hear this.

check the box score of the game. I doubt McClouth is going anywhere, but the other 2 could very well be. Or maybe because the game was 9-4... but still, it was early on in the 5th

hey Francessa said he'd trade Hughes Melky and who ever for Mcclouth

[spadanko]

The Red Sox will let him play out and walk, before they trade him for nothing.

That's why I will say for the third time, Manny won't be traded.

Nobody can explain to me how it would be remotely in the Red Sox interest to trade Manny for Martinez. If they were 10 games out...ok, maybe. But it's ridiculous to suggest they're going to give him up for prospects.

(Nevermind, that you believe they'll get Manny without Martinez being in the deal).

The Mets have no MLB ready prospects other than Martinez. They don't have anyone on their MLB team they'd part with...it makes no sense on any level on Boston's end.

i also heard Mets couldn't get Johan without dealing Reyes

[Friday]

i loves me some Ankiel.... but he loses out tonight!

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/01/amd_tatis_mets.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Friday]

this game is killing me. and now i will be triple-multi-tasking!!
(quadruple if you add drinking to watching BTTF on the laptop, the game on the telly, and listening to xm 202 )

:wallbash:

[midwestjeff]

Pujols!!

[Kevin]

Pujols!!

Fixed.

[Friday]

Pujols!!

merry fucking christmas, hacks. :bye:

[spadanko]

well that sucked... shake it off, get out there tomorrow and win the series boys!

[Friday]

i loves me some Ankiel.... but he loses out tonight!

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/01/amd_tatis_mets.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

x2!! *swoon*

[Towelie]

Tatis!!

Castro!!

[NickyL0885]

CASTRO!!!!!!!

[sailor]

i loves me some Ankiel.... but he loses out tonight!

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/01/amd_tatis_mets.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:


x2!! *swoon*

you're agreeing with yourself? kooky.

[NickyL0885]

Anyone else think its time to take off the Interim tag from Manuel yet? I mean, he cant do a thing wrong lately with the line-ups. Someone new is always contributing.

[Towelie]

C'mon Johan, what are you doing there?

[Friday]

you're agreeing with yourself? kooky.

hey
when i'm right... i'm right.

[sailor]

hey
when i'm right... i'm right.

x2!!

[Towelie]

beltran!!!

[Friday]

What a catch by Beltran! wheeeeeee!

[NickyL0885]

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[Friday]

1st complete game by one Mets pitcher since 2006. Nicely done!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0802/mlb.old.faces.new.places/images/johan.santana.jpg

Yeah Mets!

[cougarjake13]

1st complete game by one Mets pitcher since 2006. Nicely done!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0802/mlb.old.faces.new.places/images/johan.santana.jpg

Yeah Mets!


it shoulda been back to back complete games

oh well

[Friday]

it shoulda been back to back complete games

oh well

debbie downer!
enjoy the win, dammat!!

[Kevin]

Sources said the Mets' No. 1 nemesis, the Phillies, have the best chance to trade for Manny Ramirez because Philadelphia manager Charlie Manuel has perhaps the strongest relationship with him of anyone in the majors. Manuel was Ramirez's hitting coach with the Indians from 1994-99 and his manager in Cleveland in 2000, and the two have remained close.

And Towlie.. They hold the 2 options and did not promise him anything

Manny Ramirez is said by a friend to be "very, very frustrated'' over his contract, which includes team options for $20 million for both 2009 and 2010 and gives the Red Sox the power. Ramirez would prefer Boston to either extend him or release him after this year, allowing him to shop himself to all suitors. He is said by some to have his eye on the Angels, whose only obvious need is for another big bat and who may have Vladimir Guerrero coming off the books after the season. An Angels person said they don't expect to make any major changes before the July 31 trade deadline.

[cougarjake13]

Anyone else think its time to take off the Interim tag from Manuel yet? I mean, he cant do a thing wrong lately with the line-ups. Someone new is always contributing.

they'll prob wait til after the season is over but who is out there that the mets could get as mgr ??

[cougarjake13]

debbie downer!
enjoy the win, dammat!!

i am but i always wonder what could have been

and the phils are losing right now but mojo;s fucking cubs arent doin shit to florida

[Towelie]

Those pesky Marlins just won't go away.

A three game sweep of them would be nice, considering I'll be at all the games

[Towelie]

And Towlie.. They hold the 2 options and did not promise him anything

Whatever you say.

When he is a free agent after the year, I'll stop by to say I told you so.

[spadanko]

Sources said the Mets' No. 1 nemesis, the Phillies, have the best chance to trade for Manny Ramirez because Philadelphia manager Charlie Manuel has perhaps the strongest relationship with him of anyone in the majors. Manuel was Ramirez's hitting coach with the Indians from 1994-99 and his manager in Cleveland in 2000, and the two have remained close.

And Towlie.. They hold the 2 options and did not promise him anything

Manny Ramirez is said by a friend to be "very, very frustrated'' over his contract, which includes team options for $20 million for both 2009 and 2010 and gives the Red Sox the power. Ramirez would prefer Boston to either extend him or release him after this year, allowing him to shop himself to all suitors. He is said by some to have his eye on the Angels, whose only obvious need is for another big bat and who may have Vladimir Guerrero coming off the books after the season. An Angels person said they don't expect to make any major changes before the July 31 trade deadline.

I don't take any joel Sherman column sreiously. I still don't think the sox deal him

[spadanko]

Posted by Jayson Stark

Manny Ramirez to the Phillies? The New York Post reported Sunday that the Red Sox view the Phillies as "the best fit" for a potential Manny deal before the deadline. But the Phillies seem to differ.

One Phillies official told ESPN.com there was "no substance whatsoever" to that Manny talk. And while the Phillies have done some bat-shopping (losing out on both Casey Blake and Xavier Nady), they're mostly focused on pitching. And they would only be in the market for a hitter who could play right field.

The Phillies remain interested in both Brian Fuentes and George Sherrill, as well as a number of left-handed set-up men (Jack Taschner, John Grabow, etc.). But it's possible they might not make a trade until the August waiver period, while they try to assess Brett Myers' comeback and Joe Blanton's impact on their rotation. If neither goes as plans, they may opt to shift course and attempt to deal for a starter next

[Kevin]

Whatever you say.

When he is a free agent after the year, I'll stop by to say I told you so.
He might be. But my point is the dont have to trade Manny for low prospects because they will get better prospects with the picks they would get. Or pick up option and pay some of his salary and trade him. Like we did with Shef.

[PD]

If phillies didn't have prospects to trade for Xavier, how are they going to trade for Manny?

Manny is going nowhere.

I was there at Shea; nice to see a dominant performance, including big defensive play from Beltran.

[BoondockSaint]

I hope that the Phils get Manny. Him and Rollins can show up late together.

[NickyL0885]

Anyone else think we can sweep the Marlins? We have Maine, Perez and Pelfrey going. Who would have thought that out of those three, I feel most confident in Pelfrey at this point. I know Ollie has been good but I want to see it again. Maine has been up an down. Its a huge park so it could help him out.


As far as trades go, Mets have said Martinez, Neise and Parnell are off limits. People say we got nothing but thats only at AAA. All our prospects are in A and AA. People say Nick Evans stinks but hes never been higher then AA and he hits well there. He could be worth something.

[BeerBandit]

As far as trades go, Mets have said Martinez, Neise and Parnell are off limits. People say we got nothing but thats only at AAA. All our prospects are in A and AA. People say Nick Evans stinks but hes never been higher then AA and he hits well there. He could be worth something.
But for what? I understand that we don't know how long Tatis can keep this up, but who besides Matt Holliday is better. Ibanez? Stop it. If they're bent on getting an outfielder it has to be Holliday or nothing and then they have to lock him up. As for the bullpen, same deal. Who's better than what we have. These guys all have flashes of brilliance, but let's face it, relievers are relievers for a reason. They aren't great pitchers, closers excluded. Let's not forget, Fuentes lost his job as closer. Sure he's been outstanding at times, but I wouldn't give up anything in the Mets system for him with the exception of Chris Aguila. I stand by the "Do not trade for relief!" strategy, unless it's a mess, and this bullpen is far from a mess. Bullpens are a go with the hot hand and pray he doesn't fall apart aspect of the team. Don't give up a prospect for somebody a relief pitcher, unless it's a relief pitcher (Muniz, Collazo). I hear people giving the Mets shit all of the time for trading Heath Bell. Sure he's been good for San Diego, but how about two guys who were rated higher than Bell, Henry Owens and Royce Ring. One still isn't in the Majors and one has a 6.75 ERA. Relief pitchers are expendable and if someone wants them, let them go.
I'm just glad that we didn't have any of these schlubs on the All-Star teams this year. Remember last year? Hideki Okajima is not an All-Star.

[hammersavage]

no name floating around right now puts the Mets in a better position with regards of what they would give up.

maybe Bay but Pitt is done after moving Marte and Nady. this is the guys for the rest of the way and frankly, i'm fine with that. especially if Church can comeback and have an impact. they have enough to get this thing to the end.

[K.C.]

Anyone else think we can sweep the Marlins? We have Maine, Perez and Pelfrey going. Who would have thought that out of those three, I feel most confident in Pelfrey at this point. I know Ollie has been good but I want to see it again. Maine has been up an down. Its a huge park so it could help him out.


The Marlins have Nolasco and Olsen in the first two games, who are statistically better than Maine and Perez.

So I'd be surprised if the Mets swept the Marlins, although, it wouldn't be the worst thing. I'd like to see either the Mets or Marlins fall back a little bit. Get this thing down to a two team race.

[spadanko]

The Marlins have Nolasco and Olsen in the first two games, who are statistically better than Maine and Perez.

So I'd be surprised if the Mets swept the Marlins, although, it wouldn't be the worst thing. I'd like to see either the Mets or Marlins fall back a little bit. Get this thing down to a two team race.

Well, Mets historically have done well against Nolasco and recently against Olsen.

But I am not one to talk about sweeps. go out and win series.

[PD]

no name floating around right now puts the Mets in a better position with regards of what they would give up.

maybe Bay but Pitt is done after moving Marte and Nady. this is the guys for the rest of the way and frankly, i'm fine with that. especially if Church can comeback and have an impact. they have enough to get this thing to the end.

But for what? I understand that we don't know how long Tatis can keep this up, but who besides Matt Holliday is better. Ibanez? Stop it. If they're bent on getting an outfielder it has to be Holliday or nothing and then they have to lock him up. As for the bullpen, same deal. Who's better than what we have. These guys all have flashes of brilliance, but let's face it, relievers are relievers for a reason. They aren't great pitchers, closers excluded. Let's not forget, Fuentes lost his job as closer. Sure he's been outstanding at times, but I wouldn't give up anything in the Mets system for him with the exception of Chris Aguila. I stand by the "Do not trade for relief!" strategy, unless it's a mess, and this bullpen is far from a mess. Bullpens are a go with the hot hand and pray he doesn't fall apart aspect of the team. Don't give up a prospect for somebody a relief pitcher, unless it's a relief pitcher (Muniz, Collazo). I hear people giving the Mets shit all of the time for trading Heath Bell. Sure he's been good for San Diego, but how about two guys who were rated higher than Bell, Henry Owens and Royce Ring. One still isn't in the Majors and one has a 6.75 ERA. Relief pitchers are expendable and if someone wants them, let them go.
I'm just glad that we didn't have any of these schlubs on the All-Star teams this year. Remember last year? Hideki Okajima is not an All-Star.

agree with both-
for OF the key is if Church can come back and be decent; I think a platoon (not strict) of Tatis & Endy would be fine. It's having to fill 2 OF spots that get me nervous.

and as for Relievers, there are many many cases of people over paying for relievers.
Jason Isringhausen for Billy Taylor anyone?

[hammersavage]

Hopefully Church can play everyday right while Tatis plays 4 or 5 games out of 6 with Endy off the bench and defensive replacement.

[NickyL0885]

O lord...dont tell me Maine is hurt. BLAH. Hes my fav met besides Wright.

[NickyL0885]

Maine left with shoulder stiffness in his pitching arm. booo.

[spadanko]

Maine left with shoulder stiffness in his pitching arm. booo.

Hopefully Jerry is bring overly cautious. Maine looked pretty pissed.

This team needs another bullpen arm in the worst way

[docgoblin]

Bullpen implosion once again... It's beginning to be an ugly trend with these guys... :wallbash:

[Friday]

Bullpen implosion once again... It's beginning to be an ugly trend with these guys... :wallbash:

beginning?

[spadanko]

Well, Mets historically have done well against Nolasco and recently against Olsen.

But I am not one to talk about sweeps. go out and win series.

Of course Nolasco was nasty

ugh.. I hate being a jinxy mcGhee

[cougarjake13]

ahh we cant get holiday .. he's white

ibanez is a strong possibility


also did you know jason bay was in the mets farm system ??




July 31, 2002: Traded by the New York Mets with Josh Reynolds (minors) and Bobby Jones to the San Diego Padres for Steve Reed and Jason Middlebrook.

[cougarjake13]

DELGADO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NickyL0885]

Delgado should be a Comeback Player of the Year candidate. Also, Gary Cohen has the best home run call in the games, hands down.

[NickyL0885]

Maine has a mild shoulder strain. Hmm i dont think a DL stint is needed. Gary is right. With two off days coming on thursday and monday, he wont have to pitch for 10 days. That is ample time off. Its close to a DL stint. No one in the rotation has to miss a start an no one needs to be brought up.

[cougarjake13]

Delgado should be a Comeback Player of the Year candidate. Also, Gary Cohen has the best home run call in the games, hands down.

ahh only problem is he didnt have that bad a season last year and his stats this yr vs last wont be that dramatic


as for an in season comeback player yeh he should get that

[spadanko]

Apparently jayson Stark is saying we are close to Ibanez... who knows though

[NickyL0885]

So, does Big Pelf get win number 10 tonight? Although Josh Johnson has given us fits in the past. Btw, ESPN saying we should get Washburn b/c of Maines situation and b/c Perez an Pedro are free agents at the end of the year.............NO Thanks. If the mets are smart, re-sign Ollie. Although...you will prob get 1rd pick for him if he walks.....I wonder what Pedro nets.....ehh...prob a second rounder.

[cougarjake13]

ahhh fuck i thought delgado hit that one out


fucking camera guy

[Towelie]

Well the game sucked for sure, but I did get Easley's home run ball.

So thats pretty sweet.

[Towelie]

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[NickyL0885]

Very Nice! I thought we were gonna win the game after that HR. I felt the offense would knock in a few more. Delgado almost tied it up, if it wasnt for that damn park....

[tbagnu]

hope you enjoyed your stay beeeeootches!!!:smoke:

(this will probably go back and forth for the rest of the year!!)

[spadanko]

Nice work Towlie aka AH

[docgoblin]

Bases loaded and no one out!.... Are you kidding me?!?! It reminds me of the 14 inning game I sat through last Saturday! AAAAUUUUGH!!!!!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[PD]

Bases loaded and no one out!.... Are you kidding me?!?! It reminds me of the 14 inning game I sat through last Saturday! AAAAUUUUGH!!!!!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

yes, very dissapointing.
Pedro gives up HR to Kaz and the pitcher? then settles down and team doesnt score with bases loaded and no outs? then Joe Smith fine, and Heilman implodes including HR to Loretta?

eccch.

Only good news is Phils lost with Hammels on the mound.

[cougarjake13]

yes, very dissapointing.
Pedro gives up HR to Kaz and the pitcher? then settles down and team doesnt score with bases loaded and no outs? then Joe Smith fine, and Heilman implodes including HR to Loretta?

eccch.

Only good news is Phils lost with Hammels on the mound.

small consolation

[Towelie]

Dan Murphy up and playing LF

Beltran in the two hole

Tatis in right and Castro starting

Finally.

[hammersavage]

Dan Murphy up and playing LF

Beltran in the two hole

Tatis in right and Castro starting

Finally.

Fantastic!!! Now substitute Murphy for Church and let that be the permanent lineup thru September.

[Towelie]

Don't be shocked if Church is shut down for the year in the near future.

Then again, don't be shocked if he's back next week.

[cougarjake13]

Don't be shocked if Church is shut down for the year in the near future.

Then again, don't be shocked if he's back next week.



he'll be back but it wont be 100%

then he'll get shut down for the year

[Towelie]

Head injuries are no joke. I have faith the Mets and Church will make the right decision.

[Towelie]

Way to go Murphy!

And his first run scored too on the Easley HR

Nice start off Oswalt.

[cougarjake13]

Head injuries are no joke. I have faith the Mets and Church will make the right decision.

if he was in the AL and could dh he might be ok

but they cant run the risk of him getting hurt in the field or on the basepaths

[Kevin]

As we Yankee fans will tell you... DONT MESS WITH LATROY HAWKINS!!

[Kevin]

I am sure Gary loved hearing concentration camp. Gotta love Keith.

[spadanko]

DAN MUTHAFUCIN MURPHY!!!!!



oh and that concentration camp thing was pretty bad. he correted hmself with the quickness

[Meve]

Wow this Murphy fella is good. I like him already. Hope to see him in more games now.

[Kevin]

DAN MUTHAFUCIN MURPHY!!!!!



oh and that concentration camp thing was pretty bad. he correted hmself with the quickness

A prison camp, a prison camp.

[Kevin]

Wow. That was like something of Major Leauge. Nice work big game Billy.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow. That was some Keystone Cops shit last night. Mets fans stunned into silence?

[PD]

Wow. That was some Keystone Cops shit last night. Mets fans stunned into silence?

Yes.:flush:

[cougarjake13]

thats the 5th win blown for santana this year

[PD]

we need to pray now that Kunz is a savior.

This team reminds me more and more of 1987- key injuries at key spots.

[cougarjake13]

we need to pray now that Kunz is a savior.

This team reminds me more and more of 1987- key injuries at key spots.

well he cant be much worse than heilman or wagner

[PD]

OK.
I've been a huge Met fan for a long time, but I want to know who plans on buying these.

(from Metsblog)
“We have received a number of inquiries regarding the dismantling of Shea following the 2008 season and access to purchase memorabilia from Shea. We are pleased to advise that the Mets - in partnership with the City of New York which owns and operates Shea Stadium - are offering you the first opportunity to purchase a pair of YOUR seats from Shea Stadium.

“The cost of the pairs of seats is $869 during this limited-time, exclusive offer.

“Proceeds from the Mets’ share of net revenues generated through the sale of seat pairs will be donated to the Mets Foundation, which will distribute the funds to various charities.”

[spadanko]

i would love to buy a set, but that is awfully pricey

[BeerBandit]

i would love to buy a set, but that is awfully pricey
Agreed. I would love some Shea Stadiums seats but I don't exactly have $900 to blow. My kinds need wine.

[cougarjake13]

i might pay 900 if its for those comfy looking blue seats behind home plate

[PD]

It wasn't a pretty finish (again), but a W is a W.

[Friday]

SSWA, PD.

[spadanko]

i'll take it and please no more heilman in the 9th

[cougarjake13]

god damn bulpen

[cougarjake13]

ive been trying to google it but to no avail

is the padres catcher nick hundley any relation to our very own todd hundley ??

[K.C.]

ive been trying to google it but to no avail

is the padres catcher nick hundley any relation to our very own todd hundley ??


Was he 0-5 with 4 Ks?

[cougarjake13]

Was he 0-5 with 4 Ks?

nope that was his dad randy

[NickyL0885]

ive been trying to google it but to no avail

is the padres catcher nick hundley any relation to our very own todd hundley ??

nope. Gary Cohen said there is no relation.

[cougarjake13]

nope. Gary Cohen said there is no relation.

thanks

[spadanko]

D-WRIGHT!!!!

Oh and a litttle Johan stat:

20 Quality starts
9 wins
11 losses or ND's

6 blown saves

[Snoogans]

I can't wait til Santana fucks you guys in a season ending game that costs you the playoffs. Like how Glavine fucked you guys last year for doing this exact thing to him

[PD]

I can't wait til Santana fucks you guys in a season ending game that costs you the playoffs. Like how Glavine fucked you guys last year for doing this exact thing to him

someone didn't get what they wanted for christmas last year.


as I said the other day,
way too scary, but it is a W.

and Argenis Reyes can play defense (tuesday's pop up not withstanding)

[Towelie]

I can't wait til Santana fucks you guys in a season ending game that costs you the playoffs. Like how Glavine fucked you guys last year for doing this exact thing to him

Im pretty sure Santana doesn't give a fuck about not getting a decision if the team wins.

When Santana gives up 7 runs in 1/3 of an inning, let me know.

[BoondockSaint]

I was at the game today with my 7 year old nephew. David Wright made the ride home a lot easier because, "Uncle John never turns the radio on after the Mets lose."

[Kevin]

I was at the game today with my 7 year old nephew. David Wright made the ride home a lot easier because, "Uncle John never turns the radio on after the Mets lose."

So you went with your uncle John??

[BoondockSaint]

So you went with your uncle John??

Yes, and his last name is Papplebon.

[Snoogans]

Im pretty sure Santana doesn't give a fuck about not getting a decision if the team wins.

When Santana gives up 7 runs in 1/3 of an inning, let me know.

Thats the point. He will wait to do that til you absolutely have to win, then do it on purpose. Like Glavine

[K.C.]

Thats the point. He will wait to do that til you absolutely have to win, then do it on purpose. Like Glavine

Ouch!

Low blow.

hee hee hee

[Towelie]

Thats the point. He will wait to do that til you absolutely have to win, then do it on purpose. Like Glavine

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

It makes me sad how stupid some baseball "fans" are.

[Snoogans]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

It makes me sad how stupid some baseball "fans" are.

first of all im not a mets fan. Secondly, if you even try to tell me Glavine didnt enjoy fuckin the mets after all the wins they fucked him out of, you are insane. HE EVEN HAD A SICK, EVIL SMILE AS HE SAT THERE IN THE DUGOUT WATCHING THEM LOSE AND MISS THE PLAYOFFS.


Go back and watch the tape if you are in denial, but Glavine definately gave the Mets a nice big dick in the ass last year

[Towelie]

first of all im not a mets fan. Secondly, if you even try to tell me Glavine didnt enjoy fuckin the mets after all the wins they fucked him out of, you are insane. HE EVEN HAD A SICK, EVIL SMILE AS HE SAT THERE IN THE DUGOUT WATCHING THEM LOSE AND MISS THE PLAYOFFS.


Go back and watch the tape if you are in denial, but Glavine definately gave the Mets a nice big dick in the ass last year

Why didnt he shit the bed in the 2006 playoffs then?

No, it was all part of his evil plan to watch the Mets collapse the next year. He poisoned Reyes, made Willie go to Mota and Show in the wrong spots

Yes! It was Glavine!

So dumb.

[K.C.]

first of all im not a mets fan. Secondly, if you even try to tell me Glavine didnt enjoy fuckin the mets after all the wins they fucked him out of, you are insane. HE EVEN HAD A SICK, EVIL SMILE AS HE SAT THERE IN THE DUGOUT WATCHING THEM LOSE AND MISS THE PLAYOFFS.


Go back and watch the tape if you are in denial, but Glavine definately gave the Mets a nice big dick in the ass last year


Ahhhhh...such pleasant memories.

[Towelie]

Ahhhhh...such pleasant memories.

Followed by all those Philly playoff wins right?

[Snoogans]

Why didnt he shit the bed in the 2006 playoffs then?

No, it was all part of his evil plan to watch the Mets collapse the next year. He poisoned Reyes, made Willie go to Mota and Show in the wrong spots

Yes! It was Glavine!

So dumb.

not the whole year, just that last game. He saw the writing on the wall and said "You know what, fuck this. Im done after this year anyway, and they fucked me. Fuck them, Im not gonna try. ill be in Atlanta next year."

Take off the Orange and Blue glasses and you will see. KC Knows, I know, Kevin knows, even my hardcore mets fan parents know. My step dad still curses Glavine to this day for the smile he had in the dugout during the 7th inning.

[Towelie]

not the whole year, just that last game. He saw the writing on the wall and said "You know what, fuck this. Im done after this year anyway, and they fucked me. Fuck them, Im not gonna try. ill be in Atlanta next year."

Take off the Orange and Blue glasses and you will see. KC Knows, I know, Kevin knows, even my hardcore mets fan parents know. My step dad still curses Glavine to this day for the smile he had in the dugout during the 7th inning.

Um no. If he went out there and pitched a respectable game he would have retired.

He was done after #300. But he has too much competitiveness in him to call it a career after that mess.

Thats why hes trying so hard to get back this year, even if he probably is finished.

And Glavine was gone from the dugout after the first inning. Your parents are either senile or just plain stupid. I'll bet my house that not one camera catches Glavine after the end of the first inning.

Stop being an idiot.

[K.C.]

HE EVEN HAD A SICK, EVIL SMILE AS HE SAT THERE IN THE DUGOUT WATCHING THEM LOSE AND MISS THE PLAYOFFS.


To be fair, quite a few Mets had that look on their face during that game.

And who could forget Jose and Lastings' (or was it Delgado??) epic 16 part dance the day before, as if they weren't in the throws of the worst collapse in MLB history.

[Snoogans]

Um no. If he went out there and pitched a respectable game he would have retired.

He was done after #300. But he has too much competitiveness in him to call it a career after that mess.

Thats why hes trying so hard to get back this year, even if he probably is finished.

And Glavine was gone from the dugout after the first inning. You're parents are either senile or just plain stupid. I'll bet my house that not one camera catches Glavine after the end of the first inning.

Stop being an idiot.

go look back bro. You can go to the clubhouse and come back. I know for a fact he was in there later in the game iwth a rye smile. Maybe it was a replay from when he first came off the mound. But at some point in that game, they caught him in the dugout looking as if he just finally got back at the bully who took his lunch money every day. You are in denial. No one is being an idiot except for the blind Mets follower

[Snoogans]

To be fair, quite a few Mets had that look on their face during that game.

And who could forget Jose and Lastings' (or was it Delgado??) epic 16 part dance the day before, as if they weren't in the throws of the worst collapse in MLB history.

Good. Then they all don't care. But I would bet the farm Glavine, today, would laugh at what he did that game last year., Especially after how all the Mets fans, the day before, were like dont worry, Tom Glavine will come out and pitch a gem and save us.


and seriously, Glavine retire as a Met? You are fuckin insane

[K.C.]

The game is actually watchable for free on MLB.com TV, if you go back to the date.

But I usually only watch the last five minutes and the barrage of camera shots on all the sad-faced stupid Mets fans.

Then I giggle and watch the Top of the 9th of the Phils/Nats game for Harry Kalas's brilliant call.


Aaahhhhhh...this has been such a pleasant conversation. I'm really enjoying this reminiscing.

[Gmann]

not the whole year, just that last game. He saw the writing on the wall and said "You know what, fuck this. Im done after this year anyway, and they fucked me. Fuck them, Im not gonna try. ill be in Atlanta next year."

Take off the Orange and Blue glasses and you will see. KC Knows, I know, Kevin knows, even my hardcore mets fan parents know. My step dad still curses Glavine to this day for the smile he had in the dugout during the 7th inning.



:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[Snoogans]

The game is actually watchable for free on MLB.com TV, if you go back to the date.

But I usually only watch the last five minutes and the barrage of camera shots on all the sad-faced stupid Mets fans.

Then I giggle and watch the Top of the 9th of the Phils/Nats game for Harry Kalas's brilliant call.


Aaahhhhhh...this has been such a pleasant conversation. I'm really enjoying this reminiscing.

yea dont get too excited. I hate Philly more then anything on this planet, and you dont know how much it pains me that the mets didnt choke to Florida, but to you guys

[Kevin]

http://brooklynmetfan.com/images/uploads/Glavine%20Superman.jpg

[Towelie]

go look back bro. You can go to the clubhouse and come back. I know for a fact he was in there later in the game iwth a rye smile. Maybe it was a replay from when he first came off the mound. But at some point in that game, they caught him in the dugout looking as if he just finally got back at the bully who took his lunch money every day. You are in denial. No one is being an idiot except for the blind Mets follower

Oh my god look at his sick sadistic smile as he walked off the mound:

http://i38.tinypic.com/i2u2ye.gif

Yea, kinda hard to lie when it takes 40 seconds to pull the video.

Glavine was gone after the first inning. Never on camera as a Met again.

But keep those conspiracy theories a flying.

And man it sucks those Phillies went on to win the NL and then the World Series

What could have been

[Snoogans]

Oh my god look at his sick sadistic smile as he walked off the mound:

http://i38.tinypic.com/i2u2ye.gif

Yea, kinda hard to lie when it takes 40 seconds to pull the video.

Glavine was gone after the first inning. Never on camera as a Met again.

But keep those conspiracy theories a flying.

And man it sucks those Phillies went on to win the NL and then the World Series

What could have been

I said while sitting in the dugout. Not while walking off the mound. I guess the place that taught you how to be a blind fan didnt teach you how to read. Of course he was gonna make it look good when he knew he was on camera. I didnt say he was a stupid man.

[K.C.]

yea dont get too excited. I hate Philly more then anything on this planet, and you dont know how much it pains me that the mets didnt choke to Florida, but to you guys

Hmmmm....yeah, I guess I can see why.

The Lakers/Sixers finals where Iverson stepped over Tyrone Lue after hitting the game winning shot in the first game had to have upset you (Or are you a Clippers fan??...I don't know which parts of the city break for which team out there...if that's the case, than you're surely pissed about Elton Brand).

[Towelie]

I said while sitting in the dugout. Not while walking off the mound. I guess the place that taught you how to be a blind fan didnt teach you how to read. Of course he was gonna make it look good when he knew he was on camera. I didnt say he was a stupid man.

You're wrong. Just stop it. How much more of an ass do you want to look like?

Yeah, a 300 game winner wants to lose on purpose five years after he left Atlanta, and a year after he pitched the Mets to within one game of the World Series.

It was his plan all along. Keep resigning. Wait for the team plays under .500 for a few months and then blow a start that he may or may not make depending on the calendar.

A plan so flawlessly planned in 2002 that it couldn't ever fail.

Good god you're a retard.

Tell your dumb parents they didnt see him in the dugout. He left after the first inning.

[K.C.]

And man it sucks those Phillies went on to win the NL and then the World Series

What could have been

Yeah, it's not quite the '06 Mets when they beat the Cardinals...I mean, that catch by Endy Chavez...UNBELIEVABLE!!!

I turned the game off after that, because i KNEW then it was destiny.

And then they took that quality brand of ball in to '07 and here now in '08.

[Snoogans]

Hmmmm....yeah, I guess I can see why.

The Lakers/Sixers finals where Iverson stepped over Tyrone Lue after hitting the game winning shot in the first game had to have upset you (Or are you a Clippers fan??...I don't know which parts of the city break for which team out there).

eat a dick with that LA shit.

The reason I hate Philly is, when I was just barely 16, I went to a Giants vs Eagles game at the Vet as a guest of a few friends of my cousin who lives down in the area. Anyway, I wore a Giants jersey to the game. Now I know this isnt the smartest thing, but I dont give a fuck what people say. I rock my sox shit all over the NY area and never had a problem other then some words.

Anyway, I walked through the lot back fromthe porto toilet, and 3 guys who were IN THEIR 30's decided they were gonna jump a 16 year old kid. They stomped the shit out of me, then held me down while one guy pulled my jersey off, and then they set it on fire on their little BBQ. And I was left to see the game in a beater, with a black eye, bloody nose and mouth and what turned out to be fractured ribs

[Snoogans]

You're wrong. Just stop it. How much more of an ass do you want to look like?

Yeah, a 300 game winner wants to lose on purpose five years after he left Atlanta, and a year after he pitched the Mets to within one game of the World Series.

It was his plan all along. Keep resigning. Wait for the team plays under .500 for a few months and then blow a start that he may or may not make depending on the calendar.

A plan so flawlessly planned in 2002 that it couldn't ever fail.

Good god you're a retard.

Tell your dumb parents they didnt see him in the dugout. He left after the first inning.

Why is it so hard to believe that after gettin fucked so many times, that a guy would get pissed and say fuck you back? EVERYONE does that at some point. Believe it or not, its not like us fans think. this is just a job to these guys, just how its just a shitty job to us. I dont know too many people who wouldnt like to fuck their boss. That doesnt just go for the middle class workers, fool.

[K.C.]

eat a dick with that LA shit.

The reason I hate Philly is, when I was just barely 16, I went to a Giants vs Eagles game at the Vet as a guest of a few friends of my cousin who lives down in the area. Anyway, I wore a Giants jersey to the game. Now I know this isnt the smartest thing, but I dont give a fuck what people say. I rock my sox shit all over the NY area and never had a problem other then some words.

Anyway, I walked through the lot back fromthe porto toilet, and 3 guys who were IN THEIR 30's decided they were gonna jump a 16 year old kid. They stomped the shit out of me, then held me down while one guy pulled my jersey off, and then they set it on fire on their little BBQ. And I was left to see the game in a beater, with a black eye, bloody nose and mouth and what turned out to be fractured ribs


Oh, Eagles fans, especially in the Vet days, are HUGE assholes.

I don't think anyone would dispute that.

[Towelie]

Yeah, it's not quite the '06 Mets when they beat the Cardinals...I mean, that catch by Endy Chavez...UNBELIEVABLE!!!

I turned the game off after that, because i KNEW then it was destiny.

And then they took that quality brand of ball in to '07 and here now in '08.

Well, at least I can say I've seen a playoff victory in the last 15 years.

Its pretty nice.

You might lose a series 3-1 one day.

One day.

[Snoogans]

And I understand your point. I really do. So maybe he didnt do it on PURPOSE. But he definately didnt give a fuck. And at that point, if you are out there not given a fuck, you might as well be doin it on purpose, cause you will get the same results. Again, its just a job to them, its not like we see it

[Snoogans]

Well, at least I can say I've seen a playoff victory in the last 15 years.

Its pretty nice.

You might lose a series 3-1 one day.

One day.

Yea but past is past. And currently you guys are seeing 3rd place. Dont dont get snappy at anyone there, tough guy

[Towelie]

Why is it so hard to believe that after gettin fucked so many times, that a guy would get pissed and say fuck you back? EVERYONE does that at some point. Believe it or not, its not like us fans think. this is just a job to these guys, just how its just a shitty job to us. I dont know too many people who wouldnt like to fuck their boss. That doesnt just go for the middle class workers, fool.

Why would Glavine want to fuck the Mets over?

Give me one good reason.

Was it the millions of dollars they paid him?

Was it all the times that the Mets beat him when he was a Brave?

Did the Braves win the NL East because of his loss?

Did they take away his World Series ring and his MVP when he signed with the Mets?

Your conspiracy theory is so awful. The Braves fucked him over so bad when he left. Read John Schuerholz's book.

He told the Phillies to fuck themselves in 2003. Why would he want to help them 4 years later?

He choked. Not because he wanted to fuck the Mets, not because he wanted to be a Brave again. He choked.

He could have pitched 7 innings and gave up 2 runs and lost and went back to Atlanta and people wouldn't care.

To think a professional athlete, especially a guy like Glavine, the players union rep and a guy who was always team and league first would blow up like that on purpose is so fucking dumb I don't know where to begin.

He blew it, but to say he did it on purpose is possibly the dumbest statement in the history of sports message boarding.

[K.C.]

Well, at least I can say I've seen a playoff victory in the last 15 years.

Its pretty nice.

You might lose a series 3-1 one day.

One day.


Well, don't feel too bad. We'll have our shot at a 3-1 series loss again this year.


I hope we can pull it off, though, because the window may close in '09. After all, the Mets are a nice team with a lot of young talent that's only going to get better with a little more experience.

I mean, right now, Delgado's a very green 36 year old...but when he shows the steady, veteran presence of a spry 37 year old in '09....yikes.

And Fernando Tatis....what a killer call-up. One of the best prospects I"ve seen in years. He's going places!

[Towelie]

And I understand your point. I really do. So maybe he didnt do it on PURPOSE. But he definately didnt give a fuck. And at that point, if you are out there not given a fuck, you might as well be doin it on purpose, cause you will get the same results. Again, its just a job to them, its not like we see it

I'll agree that maybe he didnt give a fuck after the fact

But absolutely no way did he not want to win that game when it started.

He blew it, and maybe he didnt care after the fact, but he no way did he fuck up on purpose.

[K.C.]

He told the Phillies to fuck themselves in 2003. Why would he want to help them 4 years later?


Well, I think it's pretty obvious he made a mistake and he wanted to correct it. :thumbup:

[Towelie]

I mean, right now, Delgado's a very green 36 year old...but when he shows the steady, veteran presence of a spry 37 year old in '09....yikes.

Funny how Carlos Delgado is raping Ryan Howard all over the place and is a solid bet to do it again in 2009

2009 the Mets are also under no financial obligation to Delgado either.

So yeah.

[K.C.]

Funny how Carlos Delgado is raping Ryan Howard all over the place and is a solid bet to do it again in 2009

2009 the Mets are also under no financial obligation to Delgado either.

So yeah.

Funny how Ryan Howard leads the league in HR (unless Dunn hit one today) and RBI, and is very likely to finish Top 3 in MVP voting again this year.

But then again...you have Delgado at #2, and Wright at #1...right?

[Snoogans]

I'll agree that maybe he didnt give a fuck after the fact

But absolutely no way did he not want to win that game when it started.

He blew it, and maybe he didnt care after the fact, but he no way did he fuck up on purpose.

I dont know, man. The more I watch sports, the more I see guys mail in shit and openly seem not to care during the game. Especially when at the end of a deal in a place they know they arent staying. And it was obvious to me during his performance that he really didnt give a fuck what happened in that game. He has his ring and knew he was outta there. So he didnt give a fuck. and Im not making shit up. Im telling you I, and I know of a good 20 other people, remember seeing a shot of Glavine sitting on the bench with a sick sort of smile. Maybe it was the first inning right before he went to the clubhouse, maybe he came back later in the game to the bench, I dont know. But I know I remember this and Im not alone.

[Snoogans]

Funny how Ryan Howard leads the league in HR (unless Dunn hit one today) and RBI, and is very likely to finish Top 3 in MVP voting again this year.

But then again...you have Delgado at #2, and Wright at #1...right?

It actually is funny how he leads in all that despite having 9 million Ks

[K.C.]

It actually is funny how he leads in all that despite having 9 million Ks

It's funny how nobody gives a shit about strikeouts when he's driving in a large portion of the runs for a first place team.



Nobody in their right mind, or with a functioning brain, would take Delgado over Howard, at Towelie suggests.

But then again, I'm sure he's preparing the Eddie Kunz is better than Brad Lidge debate for later on.

"Well he DID lose the All-Star Game!"

[Towelie]

Funny how Ryan Howard leads the league in HR (unless Dunn hit one today) and RBI, and is very likely to finish Top 3 in MVP voting again this year.

But then again...you have Delgado at #2, and Wright at #1...right?

Um yeah

Delgado 121 OPS+

Howard 113 OPS+

And just for fun David Wright OPS+ is 133

Stop thinking cause Howard hits a bunch of cheap dingers he's worth anything.

He's a shitty hitter, the worst fielder in the NL and is going to strike out 250 times.

And J-Roll at 98 OPS +

LOLOLOLOLOLLZ

[Snoogans]

It's funny how nobody gives a shit about strikeouts when he's driving in a large portion of the runs for a first place team.



Nobody in their right mind, or with a functioning brain, would take Delgado over Howard, at Towelie suggests.

But then again, I'm sure he's preparing the Eddie Kunz is better than Brad Lidge debate for later on.

"Well he DID lose the All-Star Game!"

I thought Towellie would be on the Aaron Heilman bandwagon now that Wagner is hurt.

And just incase you Mets fans forgot when I was hearing you all depressed on WFAN, BILLY WAGNER SUCKS. It's not like you just lost fuckin Mo

[K.C.]

Um yeah

Delgado 121 OPS+

Howard 113 OPS+

And just for fun David Wright OPS+ is 133

Stop thinking cause Howard hits a bunch of cheap dingers he's worth anything.

He's a shitty hitter, the worst fielder in the NL and is going to strike out 250 times.

And J-Roll at 98 OPS +

LOLOLOLOLOLLZ



Stop with the fucking OPS!!! You're like a broken record.

He's a stat for you. Runs Batted In....you know, because 'runs' are what you score to win baseball games.

Howard has 97.

Delgado...hmmm...70

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZZZZ

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Snoogans]

Stop with the fucking OPS!!! You're like a broken record.

He's a stat for you. Runs Batted In....you know, because 'runs' are what you score to win baseball games.

Howard has 97.

Delgado...hmmm...70

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZZZZ

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

In fairness, thats also cause all the other Mets suck too. So they arent ever on base when Delgado does get hits

[K.C.]

In fairness, thats also cause all the other Mets suck too. So they arent ever on base when Delgado does get hits

But....but....Reyes is a present and future Hall of Famer!!!

SURELY, Delgado has opportunities.

[Towelie]

Runs batted in is the key for better hitters?

Odd, I didn't know Howard or Delgado controlled who got on base in front of them to drive runs in.

Runs batted in is the definition of team based stat. Delgado was hitting 5, 6 or 7 for the better part of the year while Howard was batting 4th.

On base percentage and slugging percentage is clearly the inferior stat compared to RBIs.

Howard has 97 solo homers this year. My bad.

[Snoogans]

I love how you 2 are just gonna fight as I keep KILLING both your teams

[K.C.]

Delgado batted 5th most of the year. Yeah, 5th in the lineup guys don't drive in runs...

And when you bat 4th or 5th, they pay you to DRIVE IN RUNS.

I don't care if Ryan Howard strikes 800 times when no one is on base....who the fuck in the Phillies lineup batting 7th and 8th could drive him in anyway??...Go ahead, big man...let it fly!

When guys set the table for him, he drives them in.

And that's born out by the .321 average and 66 RBI with RISP...the .319 average with RISP w/ two outs, and the .290 average and 78 RBI with runners on, period.

That's his job, and he does it.

[Snoogans]

by the way, Kevin informed me while watching the MLB.tv mets game that glavine pitched. After he was pulled, they have a shot of him in the dugout just sitting htere chillin, chewing his gum, lounging and lookin like he didnt give a shit, like he just went out and pitched great.


Im watching now so I can see it again myself. Its during the first inning if you wanna see what I mean Towellie

[Towelie]

Justify Howard all you want, but no one who is baseball intelligent would take Howards seasons so far over Delgados.

Howard has a .776 OPS on the road. He's a beneficiary of a bandbox. Its that simple.

Outside of that shitbox he's a below average player.

You give Delgado 82 games in CBP he'd hit 50 every year.

But I know OPS is a dumb stat. Its just so silly.

[Towelie]

by the way, Kevin informed me while watching the MLB.tv mets game that glavine pitched. After he was pulled, they have a shot of him in the dugout just sitting htere chillin, chewing his gum, lounging and lookin like he didnt give a shit, like he just went out and pitched great.


Im watching now so I can see it again myself. Its during the first inning if you wanna see what I mean Towellie

I said he left after the first inning. I'm not his conscience or his brain, I don't know what he was thinking.

But no way does Glavine lose a game on purpose. Its just dumb.

[Snoogans]

I said he left after the first inning. I'm not his conscience or his brain, I don't know what he was thinking.

But no way does Glavine lose a game on purpose. Its just dumb.

I will let you know when I see it

[K.C.]

Justify Howard all you want, but no one who is baseball intelligent would take Howards seasons so far over Delgados.

Howard has a .776 OPS on the road. He's a beneficiary of a bandbox. Its that simple.

Outside of that shitbox he's a below average player.

You give Delgado 82 games in CBP he'd hit 50 every year.

But I know OPS is a dumb stat. Its just so silly.


EVERYONE who's intelligent in baseball would take Howard's season over Delgado's.

Just like EVERYONE would take Howard's 2007 season over Delgado's.

Just like EVERYONE would take Howard's 2006 over Delgado's.

And Howard will be Top 3 in MVP voting this year, and Delgado will be non-existent.


He HITS WITH RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION. For a 4th and 5th hole hitter, that is the most important stat.


And, of course...your old failsafe, the ballpark argument. The cry of the loser Mets fan every time one of them wants to disparage a Phillie who's playing well.

I DARE you to look at Howard's home and away power numbers for the last three seasons. Please, please, PLEASE do it...I beg you.

Then make that argument to me again.

[Towelie]

I will let you know when I see it

If you find the footage of him in the dugout after the first inning gimme the time and I will absolutely retract whatever I had said

[Towelie]

EVERYONE who's intelligent in baseball would take Howard's season over Delgado's.

Just like EVERYONE would take Howard's 2007 season over Delgado's.

Just like EVERYONE would take Howard's 2006 over Delgado's.

And Howard will be Top 3 in MVP voting this year, and Delgado will be non-existent.


He HITS WITH RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION. For a 4th and 5th hole hitter, that is the most important stat.


And, of course...you're old failsafe, the ballpark argument. The cry of the loser Mets fan every time one of them wants to disparage a Phillie who's playing well.

I DARE you to look at Howard's home and away power numbers for the last three season. Please, please, PLEASE do it...I beg you.

Then make that argument to me again.

I never said Delgado out performed Howard in any year past.

Yes I'm crying ballpark, forget that the stats say that his OPS is like 200 points lower on the road. Im a loser Mets fan. Numbers are confusing and scary

[Snoogans]

If you find the footage of him in the dugout after the first inning gimme the time and I will absolutely retract whatever I had said

no like i said i might have fucked up when. It was the first inning. My point wasnt about when, but how he looked, how he looked like he part didnt care, part like he was satisfied by it. That was my main point

[Towelie]

no like i said i might have fucked up when. It was the first inning. My point wasnt about when, but how he looked, how he looked like he part didnt care, part like he was satisfied by it. That was my main point

I'll give you that he didn't care, but I dont think any professional athlete is satisfied by a disaster.

I can see him pitching 6 innings of 2 run ball and saying I did my best and blah blah

But he didn't want to walk off the field like that, especially with no guarantees that he was going to come back

The Mets could have picked up his option and fucked up his plan to go back to Atlanta

[Snoogans]

I'll give you that he didn't care, but I dont think any professional athlete is satisfied by a disaster.

I can see him pitching 6 innings of 2 run ball and saying I did my best and blah blah

But he didn't want to walk off the field like that, especially with no guarantees that he was going to come back

The Mets could have picked up his option and fucked up his plan to go back to Atlanta

thats my point. look at his face. You will be shocked. He seems fine with it. I almost cant believe it, but go watch. You will see what i mean

[Snoogans]

and glavine threw a ball away. He hit dontrelle willis with a 1-2 count. How the fuck is this not on purpose?

[Snoogans]

and his throw to 3rd was like 8 feet wide. Seriously, something was up here

[K.C.]

I never said Delgado out performed Howard in any year past.

Yes I'm crying ballpark, forget that the stats say that his OPS is like 200 points lower on the road. Im a loser Mets fan. Numbers are confusing and scary

2006 Home
SLG: .656
OBP: .422

2006 Away
SLG: .661
OBP: .427

2007 Home
SLG: .580
OBP: .384

2007 Away
SLG: .588
OBP: .399

2008 Home
SLG: .544
OBP: .361

2008 Away
SLG: .476
OBP: .300


There is a notable difference this year, for the first time.

But when you combine that with the fact that he hits .322 with RISP, and .198 with the bases empty...the numbers aren't as meaningful.

He does his job when he has to.

Meanwhile, Delgado is .239 w/ RISP, .269 w/ runners on base, .250 w/ bases empty.


Howard's OBP is .50 higher with RISP, and his SLG is nearly 100 points higher.

Delgado's OBP is .20 lower with RISP and his SLG is .50 lower.

(Howard's numbers overall are higher with RISP).


So Howard gets the job done w/ RISP...Delgado...not as much.


NOW, if I"m anchoring a guy in the middle of the lineup, as the force of my offense. Do I focus primarily on OPS with no one on base?

Or, do I maybe give A LOT more weight to what my #4 or #5 hitter does with RISP.

[Snoogans]

Mets got fucked man. Ive never seen someone look so calm and peaceful. If that was me I woulda been breaking shit, not sitting there chewin gum like a rockstar after I just choked AND threw a ball that was meant for third almost to center field

[PD]

wow.

I missed all that yesterday?

oh yeah,
if we are gonna bring up history, there are a few of my favorites

Phillies are No. 1 in loss column (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/phillies/2007-07-02-Loser-Phillies_N.htm)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517M77XKRML._SL500_AA240_.jpg
and


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/Ssport/CARTPHU016009~Joe-Carter-1993-World-Series-Home-Run-Celebration-Posters.jpg

How about we just deal with this year?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Giuseppe Franco is going to be on the FAN momentarily.

"Who has time for this nonsense?"

[spadanko]

Giuseppe Franco is going to be on the FAN momentarily.

"Who has time for this nonsense?"

Just listened to it.. absolutely brilliant... and now for your enjoyment

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Just so you know.. born in Italy, raised in Hoboken

[BeerBandit]

Spy Report! Spy Report!

No Niese on Saturday. Brian Stokes will start against The Fish.

[PD]

Spy Report! Spy Report!

No Niese on Saturday. Brian Stokes will start against The Fish.

yeah, thats been the the thought for a few days now.
as for Guisseppe Franco, nice few stories on metsblog, about how Matt stalked him in LA, and then met him in NY- and it turns out the guy was pretty cool. (unlike the infomercials)

[PD]

well, Ollie & Heilman pitched a beauty.

3-0, solid game.

[cougarjake13]

well, Ollie & Heilman pitched a beauty.

3-0, solid game.

yeh i got a lil antsy when heilman came in but he held it down for at least tonight

[BeerBandit]

Stokes is getting it done tonight.

[BeerBandit]

Murphy! 1st MLB Homer!

[cougarjake13]

Stokes is getting it done tonight.

you might wanna retract that

[cougarjake13]

Murphy! 1st MLB Homer!




sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[NickyL0885]

im inconsolable. My cable box is being a bitch an keeps rebooting on its own. So, i missing the game. i only saw 4 innings. damn it. fuck cablevision. i want FiOS

[cougarjake13]

im inconsolable. My cable box is being a bitch an keeps rebooting on its own. So, i missing the game. i only saw 4 innings. damn it. fuck cablevision. i want FiOS

mets win 8-6

and now for the happy recap

[Marc with a c]

church

[PD]

ok, another win thanks to Murphy and Heilman.

Heilman???????

damn right. 2 saves in a row.

I only realized yesterday that as awful as he's been at times, right handed hitters are only hitting .209 vs him. He's got some bizarre splits. Dan Warthen said the seems to have found something in his delivery - we'll see.

anyway, its 2-2 vs fish so far.

[cougarjake13]

ok, another win thanks to Murphy and Heilman.

Heilman???????

damn right. 2 saves in a row.

I only realized yesterday that as awful as he's been at times, right handed hitters are only hitting .209 vs him. He's got some bizarre splits. Dan Warthen said the seems to have found something in his delivery - we'll see.

anyway, its 2-2 vs fish so far.


yeh for the most part heilman is solid

its just those few bad outings he has are so monumental it overshadows the weeks of brilliance he has

maybe he should be the closer

[hammersavage]

Pedro looked sharp today. Only 1 run in 6 innings. Hope he can ride this momentum and get better as the season winds down.

Now if only the bullpen could put together some consistency. It will be our undoing. :help::wallbash:

[Servo]

Un-fucking-real.

[spadanko]

fucking cunt rags

[K.C.]

OUCH!

Three in the 9th off big Heil.

I was hoping for it when I saw it was 5-4 in the 8th, but I figured...hey...Pittsburgh blows.

Who knew.

[BeerBandit]

I can't fucking take this anymore. How did this bullpen get so fucking awful. Every game, every one of the comes in and gives up runs. There isn't a single person in that bullpen to trust.

We're fucked.

[cougarjake13]

I can't fucking take this anymore. How did this bullpen get so fucking awful. Every game, every one of the comes in and gives up runs. There isn't a single person in that bullpen to trust.

We're fucked.


its painful

[spadanko]

Cougar, when did you change your avatar? past 2 days crawford and Longoria both hurt

[cougarjake13]

Cougar, when did you change your avatar? past 2 days crawford and Longoria both hurt

3 minutes ago

[PD]

its painful

qft.

Not only is this bullpen giving up hits, it's committing mortal sins of giving up too many walks.

When the other team brings in relief pitchers, it seems its always "strike 1, strike 2"
when Met relievers come in, its always "Ball 1, Ball 2"

[spadanko]

Jerry said Heilman will no longer be put in as closer. Kunz looks like he will get the call, and possibly Maine or Ollie until wagner comes back on Monday

[King Hippos Bandaid]

My Nexium Intake has tripled since the Wagner Injury


if El Duque was available, Id want him trying to close

[spadanko]

Hippo you get the link I sent you for Bacon flavored floss?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Hippo you get the link I sent you for Bacon flavored floss?


Ooh an IM, its been soo long since I got one , will check now

[dino_electropolis]

why does this team always do this to us?????



Hopefully Citi-field can give us a new tradition of being winners....

[hammersavage]

Uh oh, Santana's out. Here come the pen......................................echhhh

[cougarjake13]

why does this team always do this to us?????



Hopefully Citi-field can give us a new tradition of being winners....



b/c we will always be the bastard step child

[docgoblin]

Wow!... They held one for Santana!... Don't get used to this!

[spadanko]

i'll take it

[Gmann]

Wow!... They held one for Santana!... Don't get used to this!

yay he'll get a win once a month!!!

:drunk:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

uggh Feliciano will get another shot, then sometime this week he will blow a save

this is NOT the Answer

[hammersavage]

I think Jerry's still gonna mix and match. I still don't understand why they didn't just put Kunx in there immediately. He knows the job and opponents don't know his stuff yet. No one else would have had to been effected unless he struggled. Hope he gets a chance tonight.

I can't believe were 1 game out. This is torture.

[Towelie]

The Phillies have 2 more @ LA, then 3 @ SD, 3 vs. Wash and then 4 more with LA before our 2 game set with them

We have 2 @ Was, 3 @ Pit, 3 vs. Atl and 3 vs. Hou in that time.

So if we can go 7-4 or 8-3 in that time span I would like to think we'd be back in first before that series.

But this season has been so inconsistent I don't know what to guess.

Wags should be back on Monday and Maine is back tonight so hopefully things will be more stable.

Church might be back for the Atlanta series, but who knows

[cougarjake13]

I think Jerry's still gonna mix and match. I still don't understand why they didn't just put Kunx in there immediately. He knows the job and opponents don't know his stuff yet. No one else would have had to been effected unless he struggled. Hope he gets a chance tonight.

I can't believe were 1 game out. This is torture.



i know every time they lose a few and i feel like giving up on them, they go and win a few and reel me back in

its ponderous... effing ponderous

[Gmann]

ok...
its 3rd inning and we're up 10-0

I think its safe to say theres NO WAY we can fuck this one up!!!!!




























































and let the disaster start......

[Towelie]

If they blow this, they might as well forfeit the season

[cougarjake13]

theres no way the bullpen can blow this can they ???


normally id say no but last night boston blew a 10 run lead

[hammersavage]

Looks like no!!! hizzah!!! go dodgers...

[docgoblin]

I'm a huge Dodgers fan right now... LETS GO MAN-NY!!!

[PD]

nice to have an easy one. Stokes looks like we now have a long man as well.

[hammersavage]

Stokes looked sick. I don't care if it was the Nats. Beat up a crappy offensive team, build some confidence and go from there.

[hammersavage]

And We Are All Tied Once Again!!!

[Towelie]

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Love the hat James.

[cougarjake13]

video no longer available towelie

what was it ??




mets looking good again tonight

[Towelie]

video no longer available towelie

what was it ??




mets looking good again tonight

After beating Federer today James Blake did his post match interview rocking the Mets hat.

[cougarjake13]

After beating Federer today James Blake did his post match interview rocking the Mets hat.



nice !!!

[BeerBandit]

Sweep!

[Chip196]

Sweep!

Cunt!

[Friday]

After beating Federer today James Blake did his post match interview rocking the Mets hat.

that's brilliant! i knew i liked that guy!

nice... and much needed... sweep.

goodness, it's hard keeping up with the Olympics AND baseball!

[cougarjake13]

Sweep!

Cunt!


NATS fan ??

[Chip196]

NATS fan ??

No ... a Mets fan who is very happy about the sweep, but was making a dig at Beerbandit! Should have put the wavey Smiley Guy :bye:

[cougarjake13]

No ... a Mets fan who is very happy about the sweep, but was making a dig at Beerbandit! Should have put the wavey Smiley Guy :bye:

yeh cause i thought you were a mets fan but couldnt remember

[hammersavage]

If Kuroda can finish can finish the job, it'll be an actual LEAD in the division. unreal...

[BeerBandit]

yeh cause i thought you were a mets fan but couldnt remember
It's ok, Chip gets confused sometimes. He was called a "cunt" once and he thought he was being praised, so now he shouts it out whenever he's excited. Just be glad you weren't at his wedding. Awkward.:unsure:

[PD]

If Kuroda can finish can finish the job, it'll be an actual LEAD in the division. unreal...

done, thanks to him and Kemp.

this from ESPN fast facts:
• This was the Dodgers' first sweep of the Phillies in a four-game series since 1962.

• Philadelphia has lost five of its last seven games.

-- ESPN.com research

need to continue to beat the teams mets SHOULD beat.

[spadanko]

and Heilman with the save

[cougarjake13]

and Heilman with the save

thankfully

[BeerBandit]

Let's go Padres!