RIAA wins. $220,000 for 24 songs.

[LordJezo]

Woman loses against the RIAA. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071004233021.itudt24b&show_article=1)

So now that the RIAA has won in court I bet they will feel empowered and really start to ramp up their lawsuits.

We are all done for.

[empulse]

Save YOURSELVES FROM LAWSUITS!

Use PeerGuardian2. It is a firewall to keep the RIAA, MPAA, MEDIADEFENDER, Chinese Gov't, Israeli Gov't -- (actually you will shit when you see who is sniffing your torrents..)

Get your torrents from ThePirateBay

and get PeerGuardian2

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/


I know it sounds like I am advertising (its FREE) but keeping your Network defenses up should be a real concern if you download.

[DonInNC]

iTunes is another option. So is the local music store.

[paulisded]

There's one aspect of this trial that has me fuming. The prosecution called a rep from Sony who testified that it is their view that ripping your own CD's to put on an Ipod is priacy. To these clowns there is no longer any concept of fair use.

[Snoogans]

Save YOURSELVES FROM LAWSUITS!

Use PeerGuardian2. It is a firewall to keep the RIAA, MPAA, MEDIADEFENDER, Chinese Gov't, Israeli Gov't -- (actually you will shit when you see who is sniffing your torrents..)

Get your torrents from ThePirateBay

and get PeerGuardian2

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/


I know it sounds like I am advertising (its FREE) but keeping your Network defenses up should be a real concern if you download.

or, ya know, save yourself from lawsuits by NOT breaking the law. I used to get songs for free when albums were 18.99, but they are basically all 9.99 on itunes, and I'm fine with payin that or 99 cents for a song

[mikeyboy]

or, ya know, save yourself from lawsuits by NOT breaking the law. I used to get songs for free when albums were 18.99, but they are basically all 9.99 on itunes, and I'm fine with payin that or 99 cents for a song

...says the guy who got in trouble for downloading movies. :tongue:

[Snoogans]

it was 1 movie. And they haven't made as big a deal about that yet so I figured I'd get away with it. And lke I said, I used to steal music when it was insane to pay for. Recently I actually have bought a few movies off Itunes cause they are usually also around 10 bucks. But only cause I got caught

[paulisded]

I know I'm showing my age here but I will not purchase mp3's. I still buy 5 - 10 discs a week, but I'm not going to pay for an inferior-sounding product. Sorry, but I can hear the difference between mp3's and CD's. The day that a physical product no longer exists is the day that I retire from purchasing music and just utilize my 5,000 disc library.

[topless_mike]

it was 1 movie. And they haven't made as big a deal about that yet so I figured I'd get away with it. And lke I said, I used to steal music when it was insane to pay for. Recently I actually have bought a few movies off Itunes cause they are usually also around 10 bucks. But only cause I got caught

omg, you got caught?
what happened?

[Snoogans]

I downloaded a movie, i wasn't in the room when it finished. It started automatically seeding. I saw it, maybe 5 minutes later, closed everything. 3 weeks later I get what amounts to a Cease and Desist from NBC Universal through cablevision telling me basically, deleted it now and fuckin knock it off or you will owe us millions.

[Crippler]

Woman loses against the RIAA. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071004233021.itudt24b&show_article=1)

So now that the RIAA has won in court I bet they will feel empowered and really start to ramp up their lawsuits.

We are all done for.

Oh shit...:surrender:

[epo]

I know I'm showing my age here but I will not purchase mp3's. I still buy 5 - 10 discs a week, but I'm not going to pay for an inferior-sounding product. Sorry, but I can hear the difference between mp3's and CD's. The day that a physical product no longer exists is the day that I retire from purchasing music and just utilize my 5,000 disc library.

I'm totally with you on this one. I still purchase at least 50-100 discs per year from the local independent music store.

For me to get charged for buying that music again...or for ripping a song from the net when I'm when of the last people supporting their industry is absolutely crazy in my mind.

[ChrisTheCop]

So, as long as you download a song, but dont allow sharing or make a cd...youre ok?

I wonder if there was this much opposition in ye olden days, when the first library was started. "Holy crap, you mean we're gonna let the whole town read the book for free? How will the author make a living if only one book is sold?"

[JimBeam]

I can see both sides of the argument and I have downloaded songs but I think Chris' point is the most on point.

I view the songs as being shared and there shouldn't be anybody who can tell you who you can share something with if you paid for it.

Downloading is a modern version of mix taping.

[El Mudo]

Saw an interview with the RIAA president on CNN....these people don't realize that its not downloading that's "killing" the music industry, its their own shitty, overpriced product

[sailor]

Saw an interview with the RIAA president on CNN....these people don't realize that its not downloading that's "killing" the music industry, its their own shitty, overpriced product

everything is "overpriced" compared to free.

[danner1515]

I'm not very sympathetic about people getting prosecuted for downloading music. Everyone knows it's illegal and that you're taking a chance if you choose to download. Fighting a law you don't like by breaking it doesn't accomplish anything but putting you at risk for jail time.

[IMSlacker]

I know I'm showing my age here but I will not purchase mp3's. I still buy 5 - 10 discs a week, but I'm not going to pay for an inferior-sounding product. Sorry, but I can hear the difference between mp3's and CD's. The day that a physical product no longer exists is the day that I retire from purchasing music and just utilize my 5,000 disc library.

I'm totally with you on this one. I still purchase at least 50-100 discs per year from the local independent music store.

For me to get charged for buying that music again...or for ripping a song from the net when I'm when of the last people supporting their industry is absolutely crazy in my mind.

Weren't a lot of hippies saying the same thing 25 years ago about CD's vs. vinyl? You two will come around.

[Snoogans]

I'm totally with you on this one. I still purchase at least 50-100 discs per year from the local independent music store.

For me to get charged for buying that music again...or for ripping a song from the net when I'm when of the last people supporting their industry is absolutely crazy in my mind.

ummm, he wasn't sayin steal it, he was tryin to say he would rather buy a CD over buying something on itunes. And who the hell said you had to buy shit again, just rip your CD's to a computer. Just cause people get music online doesnt mean it was all illegal. And it's usually cheaper

[styckx]

Bumpity bUMP bUMP. Same woman in the OP. I hate these fucking faggots

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10268199-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

Court orders Jammie Thomas to pay RIAA $1.92 million

[boosterp]

RIAA can still go fuck itself.

[The Jays]

Eh, anything I want to download is free anyway, like a house mix or downtempo.. besides, I have my Inno, I have my ShoutCast, I have Soma FM... I don't download the crap they peddle nowadays.

[TripleSkeet]

RIAA can still go fuck itself.

This.

[FMJeff]

I'm not very sympathetic about people getting prosecuted for downloading music. Everyone knows it's illegal and that you're taking a chance if you choose to download. Fighting a law you don't like by breaking it doesn't accomplish anything but putting you at risk for jail time.

Really? A mother of four children who downloaded 24 songs, actual retail price $23.76, is now required to pay out 1.2 million dollars for said songs? You have no sympathy for that? That doesn't claw at your gut? That doesn't make you want to puke and spew the worst possible vitriol toward the record industry and the legal system in general? Where's your compassion?

For too long scumbags like the RIAA have skirted the eighth amendment through civil litigation reaping huge rewards for damages so minor that if it was any other property it probably wouldn't even be heard in a small claims court.

Forcing a mother of four into bankruptcy over 24 bucks worth of anything is one of the most disgusting and reprehensible things I've ever heard one human being do to another.

1.2 million dollars. I fucking spit on the RIAA and the jury who heard this case. Wanna charge the lady 100 times the song's value? That's still only 2400 bucks. To charge 80,000 times the song's value is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

She didn't kill anybody. She downloaded a fucking song. JESUS CHRIST i can't get over how fucking awful this is.

[ADF]

Really? A mother of four children who downloaded 24 songs, actual retail price $23.76, is now required to pay out 1.2 million dollars for said songs? You have no sympathy for that? That doesn't claw at your gut? That doesn't make you want to puke and spew the worst possible vitriol toward the record industry and the legal system in general? Where's your compassion?

For too long scumbags like the RIAA have skirted the eighth amendment through civil litigation reaping huge rewards for damages so minor that if it was any other property it probably wouldn't even be heard in a small claims court.

Forcing a mother of four into bankruptcy over 24 bucks worth of anything is one of the most disgusting and reprehensible things I've ever heard one human being do to another.

1.2 million dollars. I fucking spit on the RIAA and the jury who heard this case. Wanna charge the lady 100 times the song's value? That's still only 2400 bucks. To charge 80,000 times the song's value is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

She didn't kill anybody. She downloaded a fucking song. JESUS CHRIST i can't get over how fucking awful this is.

To be fair to the RIAA (I think I vomited a little when I typed that), the lady in question isn't being sued for downloading, but sharing songs. She made available over 1,700 songs, but the RIAA sued her for only twenty-four songs for the sake of simplicity. Additionally, at the beginning of the trial they offered to settle for three to five thousand dollars, but she decided to fight in the hope that they couldn't prove that it was actually she who downloaded the songs.

source = usatoday.com (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-06-18-music-downloading_N.htm)

[red_red_red]

I downloaded a movie, i wasn't in the room when it finished. It started automatically seeding. I saw it, maybe 5 minutes later, closed everything. 3 weeks later I get what amounts to a Cease and Desist from NBC Universal through cablevision telling me basically, deleted it now and fuckin knock it off or you will owe us millions.
so help me out here, don't allow any seeding? is that what gets you busted? cuz i may know someone who might allow utorrent downloads, and when that person got on the computer this morning, it was seeding. should panic ensue @ her house? do teenagers need to be lectured?

[lleeder]

I heard one of those songs was We Built This City. So that bitch was lucky she only got charged $220,000 for spreading that shit.

[JerseyRich]

What's an MP3? I buy vinyl.

[lleeder]

What's an MP3? I buy vinyl.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/WARRRIORRR/ALINABLACKPVCVINYLSUITHOT.jpg

who doesn't?

[dino_electropolis]

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/WARRRIORRR/ALINABLACKPVCVINYLSUITHOT.jpg

who doesn't?

Good lord!

[FMJeff]

To be fair to the RIAA (I think I vomited a little when I typed that), the lady in question isn't being sued for downloading, but sharing songs. She made available over 1,700 songs, but the RIAA sued her for only twenty-four songs for the sake of simplicity. Additionally, at the beginning of the trial they offered to settle for three to five thousand dollars, but she decided to fight in the hope that they couldn't prove that it was actually she who downloaded the songs.

source = usatoday.com (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-06-18-music-downloading_N.htm)


Again, it's semantics. Downloading...sharing...it's still several thousand times the value of the songs themselves. Even if they charged her for 100 times the value of all 1700, it's still dramatically less than 1.2 million.

And by the way, GOOD FOR HER for taking it to court...although she was a fucking idiot to do it in DULUTH of all places.

Here's a quote from a juror:

"I think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naïve. We’re not that stupid up here," he said. "I don’t know what the fuck she was thinking, to tell you the truth."

No jury in a real city would convict. "We're not THAT stupid up here."

Yes you are. You just set a precedent that will hurt many people....over mp3's. Live with that scumbag.

[styckx]

Again, it's semantics. Downloading...sharing...it's still several thousand times the value of the songs themselves. Even if they charged her for 100 times the value of all 1700, it's still dramatically less than 1.2 million.

And by the way, GOOD FOR HER for taking it to court...although she was a fucking idiot to do it in DULUTH of all places.

Here's a quote from a juror:

"I think she thought a jury from Duluth would be naïve. We’re not that stupid up here," he said. "I don’t know what the fuck she was thinking, to tell you the truth."

No jury in a real city would convict. "We're not THAT stupid up here."

Yes you are. You just set a precedent that will hurt many people....over mp3's. Live with that scumbag.

"What the fuck she was thinking"

Beautiful language and true signs of a professional, concerned human being on the panel of jurors. Holy shit did they pick 12 random people from a trailer park?

[TripleSkeet]

I wouldnt pay them a fucking dime.

Id put everything I own in my parents name and every month just send the RIAA a picture of me giving them the finger.

[Dougie Brootal]

I wouldnt pay them a fucking dime.

Id put everything I own in my parents name and every month just send the RIAA a picture of me giving them the finger.


this made me giggle
:lol:

[nate1000]

this made me giggle
:lol:

Me too
http://www.starzlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/oj_simpson300.jpg

[boosterp]

I wouldnt pay them a fucking dime.

Id put everything I own in my parents name and every month just send the RIAA a picture of me giving them the finger.

Here in Texas that would work. Go through a third party to buy and sell everything would defeat any lean they could put on you.

But, besides the finger; I'd alternate between the finger, my sack, and my ass hole just for the fuck of it. I could even take a picture of my cat's ass hole for a fifth month of fun.

[Serpico1103]

I know I'm showing my age here but I will not purchase mp3's. I still buy 5 - 10 discs a week, but I'm not going to pay for an inferior-sounding product. Sorry, but I can hear the difference between mp3's and CD's. The day that a physical product no longer exists is the day that I retire from purchasing music and just utilize my 5,000 disc library.

But, I think it is illegal to even backup music that you bought legally. So, if you buy a disc, they want you to also buy the mp3 to put on your player. Nonsense, but the lawsuits I am sure are considered an income stream for the recording industry.
Today, there are so many avenues for a person to spend their entertainment dollar, but movie and music companies would have you believe that they are losing money only to piracy. I think they are losing money to new technology; video games, indie music, other communication outlets. Kids used to listen to a record for hours doing nothing else, now they are busy twitting, IMing, texting, etc.

[keithy_19]

RIAA=scumbags. I know some muscians and what matters is getting your music out there and having people enjoy it. I understand that people have to eat, but give me a break. A band I'm sure some of you are aware of, Bomb The Music Industry, offer their music for free. You download it, and if you wish you can make a donation. They built a cult following with this method.

[KnoxHarrington]

I wonder if this isn't a totally Pyrrhic victory for the RIAA. It's such an insane figure tht a lot of people on the fence about this might say "You know, this is some bullshit" and it might make the case for copyright law reform that much stronger.

I mean, the notion that someone sticking a couple of dozen songs in a folder online does nearly $2 million in damages is ludicrous. This judgment will not stand, but it's an outrage anyway.

[Serpico1103]

Th recording industry, like all major corporations allowed themselves to be pushed out of their own business.
If before Napster they were offering 99 cent songs, file sharing would never have taken off.
They were locked into their old business model, they adapted too slowly.

[boosterp]

Th recording industry, like all major corporations allowed themselves to be pushed out of their own business.
If before Napster they were offering 99 cent songs, file sharing would never have taken off.
They were locked into their old business model, they adapted too slowly.

I am currently looking for it in Google search but a year or so ago there was a study of a couple thousand concert goers that the majority of them downloaded their music without paying. You like the band, listen to their music, and support them via concerts. Fuck you music companies and your RIAA.

MPAA are nearly as communist though not as publicized.

[keithy_19]

I am currently looking for it in Google search but a year or so ago there was a study of a couple thousand concert goers that the majority of them downloaded their music without paying. You like the band, listen to their music, and support them via concerts. Fuck you music companies and your RIAA.


My rule of thumb is, I'll download music without paying, but if I like the band and I consider myself a fan I purchase the actual record. But you nailed it on the head. Bands don't get money for cutting records. They make their money playing shows and selling merch at the shows. The money they make with a record label is shit because the label is in it for the money.

Of course, not all labels are like this. Prime examples are Dischord and Asian Man.

[MacVittie]

But, I think it is illegal to even backup music that you bought legally. So, if you buy a disc, they want you to also buy the mp3 to put on your player. Nonsense, but the lawsuits I am sure are considered an income stream for the recording industry.
Today, there are so many avenues for a person to spend their entertainment dollar, but movie and music companies would have you believe that they are losing money only to piracy. I think they are losing money to new technology; video games, indie music, other communication outlets. Kids used to listen to a record for hours doing nothing else, now they are busy twitting, IMing, texting, etc.

I don't think its illegal to back up music that you bought. Otherwise, why would iTunes make it easy to rip a CD if doing so was illegal? I think you can make a backup copy of a CD, but you can't give it to someone else, and if you sell the CD, you have to destroy your backup copy.

[Serpico1103]

I don't think its illegal to back up music that you bought. Otherwise, why would iTunes make it easy to rip a CD if doing so was illegal? I think you can make a backup copy of a CD, but you can't give it to someone else, and if you sell the CD, you have to destroy your backup copy.

It is very murky. They don't go after you for making a copy for yourself, but it is not clear whether they could.
However, with DVDs, merely cracking the copy protection, not even copying the DVD, is illegal. So, backing up your DVDs is a violation, because you have to crack the protection and there is no personal use exemption.

[MacVittie]

It is very murky. They don't go after you for making a copy for yourself, but it is not clear whether they could.
However, with DVDs, merely cracking the copy protection, not even copying the DVD, is illegal. So, backing up your DVDs is a violation, because you have to crack the protection and there is no personal use exemption.

That is true. Actually, I have seen on some newer CDs anti-piracy warning on the back saying that copying is illegal. I can't imagine they want you to buy a second copy for your ipod as well as the CD. Why not then put some protection so that you need extra software other than just itunes to copy the CD? If they want any hope of people not flagrantly breaking the copyright laws, they need to start making them reasonable.

[FMJeff]

I am currently looking for it in Google search but a year or so ago there was a study of a couple thousand concert goers that the majority of them downloaded their music without paying. You like the band, listen to their music, and support them via concerts. Fuck you music companies and your RIAA.

MPAA are nearly as communist though not as publicized.

The MPAA relies more on cease and desists than these ridiculous lawsuits. Most of the time they come by way of your ISP.

[Reynolds]

But, I think it is illegal to even backup music that you bought legally. So, if you buy a disc, they want you to also buy the mp3 to put on your player. Nonsense, but the lawsuits I am sure are considered an income stream for the recording industry.
Today, there are so many avenues for a person to spend their entertainment dollar, but movie and music companies would have you believe that they are losing money only to piracy. I think they are losing money to new technology; video games, indie music, other communication outlets. Kids used to listen to a record for hours doing nothing else, now they are busy twitting, IMing, texting, etc.

It's illegal to make a digital copy, not an analog one. It's stupid.

You can't digitally copy a song, but you can play it over a speaker, and record it to a digital format.

[scottinnj]

Get your torrents from ThePirateBay


:clap::tongue:
AWESOME!!!

[KC2OSO]

iTunes is another option. So is the local music store.
cool. now all we need is some good music and we're all set.

[badmonkey]

From the RIAA website:
Copying CDs (http://www.riaa.org/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_ the_law)

* It’s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.
* It’s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but, again, not for commercial purposes.
* Beyond that, there’s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:
o The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
o The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.
* The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
* Remember, it’s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.