Al Gore, wins Nobel Peace Prize

[Dirtybird12]

:surrender: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/)

full story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/)

[A.J.]

And somewhere Bill Clinton puts his fist through a wall.

[cupcakelove]

And somewhere Bill Clinton puts his fist through a wall.

I think Bill is too busy getting blown to worry about it.

[drjoek]

That guy should run for president

[TheMojoPin]

That guy should run for president

Except he says he won't because he claims the "Hillary machine" is too unstoppable at this point, which just depresses the hell out of me.

I don't want another Bush, no more Clintons or anyone from the Clinton White House...we've basically had the same circle of administrations for almost 30 years now, goddammit.

[DarkHippie]

Except he says he won't because he claims the "Hillary machine" is too unstoppable at this point, which just depresses the hell out of me.

I don't want another Bush, no more Clintons or anyone from the Clinton White House...we've basically had the same circle of administrations for almost 30 years now, goddammit.

Obama/McCain in 2008!!

[Team_Ramrod]

I think Bill is too busy getting blown to worry about it.

But Bills wife is too busy to be blowing him.








ooooooohhhhhhhhh....

[high fly]

:surrender: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/)

full story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/)

Gore's been having a nice decade.
He damned near won the election, he was vindicated on the "creating the internet" comment, he was right to oppose the Iraq cakewalk, he scored an Emmy, he's been right about climate change, he had a lot of nice renovation work done on his house and now this....

[DarkHippie]

Gore's been having a nice decade.
He damned near won the election, he was vindicated on the "creating the internet" comment, he was right to oppose the Iraq cakewalk, he scored an Emmy and now this....

the best thing that could've happened to him was losing the election.

[lleeder]

Gore's been having a nice decade.
He damned near won the election, he was vindicated on the "creating the internet" comment, he was right to oppose the Iraq cakewalk, he scored an Emmy, he's been right about climate change, he had a lot of nice renovation done to his house and now this....

not to mention he was the 10th caller today

[ShowerBench]

Nice.

http://www.apple.com/

[high fly]

It's good to be Gore................

[K.C.]

If he was going to run, he really needed to be in the race about a month ago for fundraising purposes and what not.

Still, I honestly have a hard time believing he wouldn't immediately jump to first place if he declared tomorrow.

He polls like 13% right now, but if you ever see a candidates number before they declare vs. after, they always jump (Wesley Clark polled like 2% in '04 before he declared, and when he decided to run, he jumped into the lead for a period of time), and Gore would have the credibility to hold it and fight off Hillary.

You have to give him some credit, though...he's said he's done with it, and he's stuck to it.

[lleeder]

Kiss ups

[Doctor Z]

Of course he deserves it. He saved us all from Manbearpig.

http://image.hotdog.hu/_data/members1/077/3077/images/kepek_illusztraciok/sp/Manbearpig_Drawing.JPG

[scottinnj]

the best thing that could've happened to US was losing the election.

Fixed it for ya!

[scottinnj]

not to mention he was the 10th caller today


:clap:

[Devo37]

And somewhere Bill Clinton puts his fist <strike>through a wall</strike> in an intern.

fixed it for you...

[epo]

the best thing that could've happened to him was losing the election.

Fixed it for ya!

Ya....the other guy has been spectacular!

[high fly]

Ya....the other guy has been spectacular!

This got me to thinking back to the debates in 2000.
That was back when we had a budget surplus and projections of $2 trillion+ in surpluses for this decade.
Gore pointed out that Bush was proposing $2 trillion in spending as well as $2 trillion in tax cuts, and pointed out that would lead to $2 trillion in deficits.

Bush replied by cracking wise about Gore's "fuzzy math."

And here we are, going to surpass $2 trillion in deficits this decade, especially after you add in the money Bush took from the Social Security Trust Fund (which, by the way, he had promised not to do).

[scottinnj]

Apparently, not everyone is in lockstep with the NPP Committee (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Gore's+prize%3A+A+fraud+on+t he+people&articleId=c55c0e3e-f569-4b50-83f6-8431bde279dd)

I like some of the "comments" from the peanut gallery:

A couple who agreed with the article:

The Nobel Peace Prize was deemed meaningless when it went to Arafat 1994. But we aren't denying that "Global Warming" exists, I mean who doesn't go outside and feel the 1 degree difference than we had 100 years ago? The problem, though, is that he says we mere humans cause it and can control it. I don't think so, Al. That's pretty arrogant. We can't even predict earthquakes or the size and shape of fluffy cloud formations. It's still being debated among the scientific community. Its not even a scientific fact!!
- Jason H., Windermere, FL

Gore is about one thing.... Gore. How about giving that Peace Prize to the Monks in Burma? THAT Would have accomplished something that Nobel would have been proud of. Or a dozen other people around the world that easily qualify. The Peace Prize has been reduced to a libearl agenda "Oscar". Sad. It could serve peace by bringing attention to issues around the world more deserving then choosing sides in the global warming debate. And yes. there IS still much debate. But Gore strangely will not debate it.
- Jack B., San Diego, Ca


And a couple who didn't:

Tell FW de Klerk, Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela the peace prize has no worth. And while there may be errors in Gore's data, these do nothing to undermine the seriousness of global warning. Gore's passion for the subject, his willingness to pursue this agenda and drag America, and indeed, much of the first world and its businesses to acknowledge the greatest threat to our planet's health, demand that he should have gotten this award alone. But then something tells me this article was little more than a vindictive stab at a man who's views and beliefs are a legitimate threat to the redneck mentality it is currently enslaved by.
- Marlon B, Cape Town, South Africa

I think it's amazing how often people attack Gore and everything he does. Rather than listen to what the man is trying to say, a bunch of conservative wackos always bay the loudest and drown out the the true concerns common to all humanity. Conservatives are just sore their glorious leader Bush has turned into such joke of a president, so they lash out at anyone and anything else.
- Jason Parise, San Diego

Interesting article and debate going on there. Check it out, no matter how you feel about Gore or Global Warming.

[scottinnj]

More Dissent of Al Gore's Theories (http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html).


The funny thing is, I keep hearing (from Al) that the scientists of the world are "united" about global warming. But yet I keep seeing all these guys saying they disagree with Al.

What gives?

[Crispy123]

I can honestly say I wish I had voted for Gore in 2000. The man is definitely a politician and an accomplice to the Clinton White House but Im sure he would have been better than what we got.

:annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:

[lleeder]

More Dissent of Al Gore's Theories (http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html).


The funny thing is, I keep hearing (from Al) that the scientists of the world are "united" about global warming. But yet I keep seeing all these guys saying they disagree with Al.

What gives?

We're brainwashing our children," said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado

"We'll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was," Dr Gray said.
Thats great for him to say now since he'll most likely be dead before anyone can prove him wrong. :dry:

[epo]

More Dissent of Al Gore's Theories (http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html).

The funny thing is, I keep hearing (from Al) that the scientists of the world are "united" about global warming. But yet I keep seeing all these guys saying they disagree with Al.

What gives?

Here is what I truly don't understand about the dissent of Gore:

Even if Gore is wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do?

[LiddyRules]

Here is what I truly don't understand about the dissent of Gore:

Even if Gore is wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do? I'm not a moral person but the outrage of people over climate change or global warming never fails to confuse and amuse me. What's the worst that would happen if we clean up our act? Why do people get angry because of conservation?

[badmonkey]

I've got no issue with making an effort to maybe do some recycling and other things to be a little more environmentally friendly. I'm completely against adding a bunch of fake "feel good" taxes that aren't actually going to do anything for the environment. Clean up the environment... great... I'll help you. Put your hands in my wallet and I'll leave a carbon footprint in your ass.

Badmonkey

[scottinnj]

Here is what I truly don't understand about the dissent of Gore:

Even if Gore is wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do?

Absolutely.
I just totally disagree with Gore's solutions, like the carbon credits and the Kyoto Treaty.

[epo]

I've got no issue with making an effort to maybe do some recycling and other things to be a little more environmentally friendly. I'm completely against adding a bunch of fake "feel good" taxes that aren't actually going to do anything for the environment. Clean up the environment... great... I'll help you. Put your hands in my wallet and I'll leave a carbon footprint in your ass.

Badmonkey

What about a real pragmatic tax? Such as every dime going to energy research to rid ourselves of fossil fuel dependence....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've got no issue with making an effort to maybe do some recycling and other things to be a little more environmentally friendly. I'm completely against adding a bunch of fake "feel good" taxes that aren't actually going to do anything for the environment. Clean up the environment... great... I'll help you. Put your hands in my wallet and I'll leave a carbon footprint in your ass.

Badmonkey


Looks like Congressman John Dingell wants to reach into our wallets


http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-harney1014.6081312oct14,0,1603899.story?track=rss

[epo]

Looks like Congressman John Dingell wants to reach into our wallets

http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-harney1014.6081312oct14,0,1603899.story?track=rss

Here is the crazy thing about this nation of ours....our federal government simply has to stop this "no tax - all spend" policy. Sorry, but economically our federal government has to start taxing & start trimming spending or taxes are really gonna go fucking shithouse crazy.

The saddest thing ever is gonna be when the Baby Boomers (who spent all of the money) go to retire & our federal government has no choice but to tax their Social Security checks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Founder of the Weather Channel calls global warming a big scam. This isnt some political pundit, I think he does have some credibility and makes valid points


http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

[TheMojoPin]

Founder of the Weather Channel calls global warming a big scam. This isnt some political pundit, I think he does have some credibility and makes valid points

Really?

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens.

In all seriousness, that is completely paranoid raving that I just quoted, especially what I bolded. It has little connection to reality in terms of how this theory has arisen. It was not orchestrated by some kind of tiny scientific cabal that fooled the rest of the scientific community. That's essentially impossible.

And to bust balls a bit, what exactly is his "credibility?" He was an weatherman from Illinois who founded a channel of weathermen. Yes, he is a meteorologist, but what else is there? What distinguishes him from the overwhelming majortity of meteorologists who say otherwise?

[epo]

I'm gonna paraphrase myself again:

Even if we're wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do?

[Chigworthy]

I'm gonna paraphrase myself again:

Even if we're wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do?

Yes. While global warming is a reality, the jury is still out on whether or not we have caused it or have any control over it. But the real shame about Al Gore and his movie is that he barely touched on acid rain, which is an actual problem amplified by the CO2 in the atmosphere that will get worse. And if global warming is shown to be happening regardless of human behavior, it will be very hard to convince society as a whole that acid rain is something that merits attention.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm gonna paraphrase myself again:

Even if we're wrong about the human effect on Climate Change, wouldn't cleaning up our act be the moral thing to do?

Unfortunately China and India still have not caught on yet


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L054477.htm

[epo]

Unfortunately China and India still have not caught on yet


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L054477.htm

What a couple of asshole nations.

Seriously though, I hope this isn't some sort of excuse as to why our government is dragging its feet on this issue. If we are the "leaders of the free world" then let's starting acting like it.

[sailor]

What a couple of asshole nations.

Seriously though, I hope this isn't some sort of excuse as to why our government is dragging its feet on this issue. If we are the "leaders of the free world" then let's starting acting like it.

isn't it? even al gore back in the 90s (don't know if he's changed his mind since) said we shouldn't ratify the kyoto protocol unless nations such as these were also bound by its rules. it would put the u.s. at a grave disadvantage comparatively.

[epo]

So what if I were to tell you that our reluctance to Green efforts and energy interdependence is beginning to cost our nation alot of money. Click to story here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/09/AR2007110902573.html?hpid=topnews).

Do you wanna be Al Gore's friend now?

[SniperDudeMJS]

Of course he deserves it. He saved us all from Manbearpig.

http://image.hotdog.hu/_data/members1/077/3077/images/kepek_illusztraciok/sp/Manbearpig_Drawing.JPG

Actually, he says he created Manbearpig.

[SniperDudeMJS]

Global warming . . . the Earth's alternative to the Ice Age.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So what if I were to tell you that our reluctance to Green efforts and energy interdependence is beginning to cost our nation alot of money. Click to story here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/09/AR2007110902573.html?hpid=topnews).

Do you wanna be Al Gore's friend now?

Only if I can get to fly on his private jet.

In all seriousness though. Im in for the new energy technology. But It isnt something that is going to happen in the near future. It will probably take 10 maybe 20 years before we can get ourselves off oil. Also the reason behind close to $100 oil is that the economies of India and China have grown drastically over the last 5 years so it comes down to supply and demand as well.

[epo]

Only if I can get to fly on his private jet.

In all seriousness though. Im in for the new energy technology. But It isnt something that is going to happen in the near future. It will probably take 10 maybe 20 years before we can get ourselves off oil. Also the reason behind close to $100 oil is that the economies of India and China have grown drastically over the last 5 years so it comes down to supply and demand as well.

Why couldn't we do it sooner? Honestly I never understand why we would have to wait.

[epo]

Yesterday the UN released a report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm)about climate change, stating that it is real and releasing some frightening projections about the effects.

The key quote for me was from Ban Ki-moon, "We are all in this together-we must work together."

So I ask our government....what are ya gonna do?

[sailor]

Yesterday the UN released a report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm)about climate change, stating that it is real and releasing some frightening projections about the effects.

The key quote for me was from Ban Ki-moon, "We are all in this together-we must work together."

So I ask our government....what are ya gonna do?

that report is from the ipcc who did the science behind an inconvenient truth, so is it really anything new?

[Yerdaddy]

that report is from the ipcc who did the science behind an inconvenient truth, so is it really anything new?

They didn't do the science on An Inconvenient Truth. In fact much of the criticism of the science in the film was based on the Panel's reports. And the continuing work of this panel is going to be new because they've been doing a series of reports each wtih multiple areas of focus.

[earthbrown]

so in 200 years of industrialization we killed the planet???



COOL!!!

[KC2OSO]

Planet Earth is fine. If you can't find a job and need something to do, listen to this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCeVQgSSik)

[A.J.]

so in 200 years of industrialization we killed the planet???



COOL!!!

No...HOT!

http://www.ipc.shizuoka.ac.jp/~smsatis/Antarctica/images/It's%20global%20warming!.jpg

[Yerdaddy]

They didn't do the science on An Inconvenient Truth. In fact much of the criticism of the science in the film was based on the Panel's reports. And the continuing work of this panel is going to be new because they've been doing a series of reports each wtih multiple areas of focus.

And it might actually downplay the threat:

Alarming UN report on climate change too rosy, many say (http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=8378031)

VALENCIA, Spain: The blunt and alarming final report of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released here by UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, may well underplay the problem of climate change, many experts and even the report's authors admit.

The panel's fourth and final report summarized and integrated the most significant findings of three sections of the panel's exhaustive climate-science review that were released from January through April, to create an official "pocket guide" to climate change for policy makers who must now decide how the world will respond.

The first covered climate trends; the second, the world's ability to adapt to a warming planet; the third, strategies for reducing carbon emissions. With their mission now concluded, the hundreds of IPCC scientists spoke more freely than they had previously.

Although the scientific data is not new, this was the first time it had been looked at together in its entirety, leading the scientists to new emphasis and more sweeping conclusions.

But even as the IPCC was working toward its conclusions over the past several years, a steady stream of even more alarming data has come in.

"The IPCC is a five-year process and the IPCC is struggling to keep up with the data - we are all being inundated with new evidence and new science," said Hans Verolme, director of the Global Climate Change Program at the conservation organization WWF.

"And the new science is saying: 'You thought it was bad? No it's worse.' "

The IPCC chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, an engineer and economist from India, acknowledged the new trajectory. "If there's no action before 2012, that's too late," Pachauri said. "What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment."

He said that since the IPCC began work on its current report five years ago, scientists have recorded "much stronger trends in climate change," like a recent melting of polar ice that had not been predicted. "That means you better start with intervention much earlier."

Developments that affect the IPCC predictions and have made such scenarios even more likely, scientists said, include faster than expected industrial development in China and India. Economic growth has a huge effect because these countries' industries are largely powered by electricity from burning coal, a cheap but highly polluting source of energy.

"The IPCC report never imagined the world would move back to a coal- based energy economy - and that's essentially what we've done," said Gernot Klepper an economist who studies climate change at the Kiel Institute in Germany. "If you extrapolate from that we're running into a disaster."

Part of the reason the scientists inserted their alarming statements about polar ice melts in the synthesis report is because "recent observations" were not "fully included in ice sheet models" used by IPCC, the report said.

Some in the scientific community have gone so far as to question the effectiveness of the IPCC as the world's early warning system on climate change.

"Sadly, even the most pessimistic of the climate prophets of the IPCC panel do not appear to have noticed how rapidly the climate is changing," said James Lovelock, a British scientist, "Scientists have let this potentially disastrous future steal up on us unaware."

But most scientists have been awed by the IPCC's deliberate work, for which it was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize this year.

[SniperDudeMJS]

Gore's been having a nice decade.
He damned near won the election, he was vindicated on the "creating the internet" comment, he was right to oppose the Iraq cakewalk, he scored an Emmy, he's been right about climate change, he had a lot of nice renovation work done on his house and now this....

He lost the election; he shouldn't have made that stupid internet comment in the first place; George Bush has scored a miracle no one thought would ever happen: a pro-American muslim democracy in the middle-east (and it cost us fewer men than we lost in the first hour on the beaches of Normandy); he can have the Emmy; and NASA just released a report that says the ice-melt is due to natural climate trends and their effect on ocean current temperatures. The report also mentions the fact that we have been in this period of global warming for the last 12,000 years . . . since the last Ice Age. (Note to selves: that means it's been warming up without our help for at least 11,500 years.)

[Yerdaddy]

He lost the election; he shouldn't have made that stupid internet comment in the first place; George Bush has scored a miracle no one thought would ever happen: a pro-American muslim democracy in the middle-east (and it cost us fewer men than we lost in the first hour on the beaches of Normandy); he can have the Emmy; and NASA just released a report that says the ice-melt is due to natural climate trends and their effect on ocean current temperatures. The report also mentions the fact that we have been in this period of global warming for the last 12,000 years . . . since the last Ice Age. (Note to selves: that means it's been warming up without our help for at least 11,500 years.)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9959/planestrains18td2.gif

[Crispy123]

He lost the election; he shouldn't have made that stupid internet comment in the first place; George Bush has scored a miracle no one thought would ever happen: a pro-American muslim democracy in the middle-east (and it cost us fewer men than we lost in the first hour on the beaches of Normandy); he can have the Emmy; and NASA just released a report that says the ice-melt is due to natural climate trends and their effect on ocean current temperatures. The report also mentions the fact that we have been in this period of global warming for the last 12,000 years . . . since the last Ice Age. (Note to selves: that means it's been warming up without our help for at least 11,500 years.)

Where exactly is this pro-American muslim democracy that you speak of???

[HBox]

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9327/awkwardxf3.jpg

[high fly]

Where exactly is this pro-American muslim democracy that you speak of???

Not sure, but I think he's talking about that theocratic government based on the Ko-ran we installed and handed over to the Shiite allies of Iran so our biggest enemies will have expanded influence.
I hear Title IX is going over big in Anbar Province.







Or maybe he's talking about Turkey........................................

[scottinnj]

AL GORE
&
CARBON OFFSETS
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http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/643/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_479955.jpg

[badmonkey]

Gore Used Fictional Video to Illustrate ‘Inconvenient Truth' (http://newsbusters.org/node/20680?q=blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/22/abc-s-20-20-gore-used-fictional-film-clip-inconvenient-truth)

[scottinnj]

Gore Used Fictional Video to Illustrate ‘Inconvenient Truth' (http://newsbusters.org/node/20680?q=blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/22/abc-s-20-20-gore-used-fictional-film-clip-inconvenient-truth)

Yep, and my son's science teacher played that movie in class, as "science" to assist his teaching material. He should have just had Jake Gylenthal come in teach sex ed.....Cowboy Style!!!!

[Furtherman]

I think "Newsbusters" is making something out of nothing. Al Gore also used a Futurama clip. Is he suggesting we'll end up as heads!?

Besides, most scientists acknowledge that Gore's film was exaggerated pseudo science dipped in fear. Beleive it or not, there is nothing you can do to stop the Earth from going through changes.

[badmonkey]

I think "Newsbusters" is making something out of nothing. Al Gore also used a Futurama clip. Is he suggesting we'll end up as heads!?

Besides, most scientists acknowledge that Gore's film was exaggerated pseudo science dipped in fear. Beleive it or not, there is nothing you can do to stop the Earth from going through changes.

The "Newsbusters" video is a segment from ABC News. When we all end up as heads, I hope ABC reports it.

http://lifeboat.com/images/alcor.dewar.jpg
Alcor. Al Gore... coincidence... no fuckin way

[Furtherman]

The "Newsbusters" video is a segment from ABC News.

Right... but the website.. "exposing and combating liberal media bias" is laughable. As is the Sam Shepard... weatherman... report. I can do more than the weather ya know!

[badmonkey]

Right... but the website.. "exposing and combating liberal media bias" is laughable. As is the Sam Shepard... weatherman... report. I can do more than the weather ya know!

Yeah, it was just the only place that I could find on google that had the video after I saw it on TV.

[TheMojoPin]

Global warming...BUSTED.

Glad that's taken care of.

[epo]

The world is crazy enough that Al Gore is making alot of godamned sense.

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