Pac Is Looking For Volunteers To Lead! Join Us!

[happytypinggirl]

Hi All!!! Help us to build a strong future for People Against Censorship.

We are looking for hardworking dedicated volunteers to help us build the core of our organization. We tremendously appreciate the hundreds of general offers of help that we have received. To ensure that we best utilize the talents of everyone, People Against Censorship is currently seeking a small group of highly motivated, dedicated individuals to steer the organization. Interested Individuals should be willing to commit to a minimum of a year of service to the organization. Time commitments will vary based upon the position. Every position wil be responsible for working with volunteers to accomplish their duties.

Those interested in volunteering for one of these positions should submit an email to volunteers@peopleagainstcensorship.org The Subject Line should specify the position you are interested in. The email should contain your name, where you are from, and why you would be a good candidate for the position. Thank you very much in advance for your interest and your help.

Webmaster: We are looking for someone with experience to oversee PAC's internet presence and run peopleagainstcensorship.org. Interested individuals should have experience coding, dealing with server/hosting issues, troubleshooting, implementing design changes, search engine management and the ability to work with our web team.

Director of Media Relations: This position will be the chief liason between People Against Censorship and the media. Interested individuals should have experience with the development and maintenance of press releases and the development of press packets. Other duties may involve speaking to the press on PAC's behalf, and aiding PAC directors in their communications with the media.

Director of Current Events, Web Content: This position will oversee PAC's effort to inform and educate the public about relevant issues. Duties will chiefly involve overseeing PAC website content relating to news and current events, by a) working with our web design team to design a suitable and user friendly format to present information, b) managing a team of volunteers who will monitor the media for relevant news, and c) ensuring that the information is presented on the website in a timely and accurate manner.

Director of Public Relations: This position will be responsible for the maintance of PAC's image and providing information about PAC's activities and events to the public. This will include the responsibility of working with our web design team to design a means to present information about PAC to our members, including videos, photographs and articles about PAC events, and this position will also be responsible overseeing the development of any PAC pamphlets, brochures, etc.

Director of Member Relations: Interested Individuals for this position must be outgoing and creative. The Membership Relations Director will be responsible for the growth of PAC by facilitating the growth of grassroots and national PAC membership. You will be required to put together a plan for growth of PAC and be able to come up with ideas to facilitate growth. Ability to work with other branches of PAC to ensure efficient and effective use of our most important asset, our volunteers, is essential.

Events Coordinator: The growth of PAC will require someone responsible for arranging all events, including demonstrations, rallies, and other grass roots ways to get our message out. This person should be able to develop an events program that will reach out to the public and get PAC's message across. Upon developing the events campaign this position will oversee the securing of permits, equipment and facilitate in the running of the event the day of.

Financial Director: The financial director will oversee PAC's donations program as well as aiding in the development of PAC budgets. The ideal candidate should be familiar with not for profit accounting and the relevant tax concerns.

Additional positions will be opening as soon as these positions are filled, including volunteers to work with each director on their team....so if you dont see the right fit for you, please wait for our next notice.

Remember...submit an email to volunteers@peopleagainstcensorship.org Specify the position you are interested in and include your name, where you are from, and why you would be a good candidate for the position.

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IN THE THREAD IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN A POSITION. SUBMIT AN EMAIL AS DEFINED ABOVE. ALL APPLICATIONS WILL BE KEPT STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

[happytypinggirl]

apparently that email isn't working

please use dwolf@peopleagainstcensorship.org or happytypinggirl@aol.com.

thanks!

[Tenbatsuzen]

ALL APPLICATIONS WILL BE KEPT STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

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[Tenbatsuzen]

n/m

[Tenbatsuzen]

Actually, I won't like an ass.

Deb should be commended for trying to make the PAC look legit. This is something I would do.

But here's the thing I'd do first: Evolve the name into something different. Why? Several reasons:

1) The PAC shares an acronym with Political Action Commitees, which is basically a term for lobbyists. Not good.

2) The PAC has already shown itself to be nothing more than a front group for O&A fans. Not good.

3) As O&A was never truly "censored" in the truest sense of the term, it defeats the entire ideology of the organization. A truer name would contain something pertaining to Free Speech, give it a positive connatation rather than a negative one. You don't want to be AGAINST something, you want to be FOR something.

[MadMatt]

1) The PAC shares an acronym with Political Action Commitees, which is basically a term for lobbyists. Not good.



This is a very good point, and something that has always bugged me about the organization's name. I love the group, but not the name (but it's not a deal breaker).

I like Citizens For Free Expression, but I don't know if it is taken. Nothing came up in a Google search though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is a very good point, and something that has always bugged me about the organization's name. I love the group, but not the name (but it's not a deal breaker).

I like Citizens For Free Expression, but I don't know if it is taken. Nothing came up in a Google search though.

Right. Free Expression, Open Expression, all of these things are good, so the group doesn't fall into the trap of controlling speech.

What THEY need to do is be a watchdog of the anti-expression watchdog groups, like Parents Television Council, that video game lawyer jackass, etc.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Citizens for Open and Responsible Expression. C.O.R.E.

The "responsible" part comes in telling parents that instead of letting the news and other things dictate what their kids do, be responsible. Be a parent.

[The Blowhard]

CORE is taken: Congress of Racial Equality.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Speech Protection In Comedy?

[moochcassidy]

http://coppermine.galacnet.com/Eire32/albums/userpics/10001/McElwee-Quinn.jpg

[Stankfoot]

Actually, I won't like an ass.

Deb should be commended for trying to make the PAC look legit. This is something I would do.

But here's the thing I'd do first: Evolve the name into something different. Why? Several reasons:

1) The PAC shares an acronym with Political Action Commitees, which is basically a term for lobbyists. Not good.

2) The PAC has already shown itself to be nothing more than a front group for O&A fans. Not good.

3) As O&A was never truly "censored" in the truest sense of the term, it defeats the entire ideology of the organization. A truer name would contain something pertaining to Free Speech, give it a positive connatation rather than a negative one. You don't want to be AGAINST something, you want to be FOR something.

still pissed you weren't invited to the Rock-a-Hula Luau? :wink:

[MadMatt]

Speech Protection In Comedy?

:lol:

I think that one is taken, although not "officially."

[OneEyeJack]

how about the Stop the Persecution.

the STPers

[MadMatt]

How about these two:

Citizens Alliance for Protection of the First Amendment (CAPFA)

or

Citizens Alliance for Protection of First Amendment Rights (CAPFAR)

HTG - I apologize if this thread has taken a turn outside of your initial intentions. No harm is meant by it - at least not by me.

And although I hate to admit it, Matty had some good points RE: the name and connotations it has already gained.

[happytypinggirl]

Just a quick comment on the name issue. When you have established some name recognition, its not always smart to change your name.

We named ourselves in the middle of the night when we never expected to hit more than 500 members. Once we grew to 13,000 and received media attention, we began to realize that there might be a better name out there to describe what we stand for.

However, given that we have name recognition now, but have falled a short ways off the map due to all our technical difficulties, a name change is not sensible right now. If we change our name, it will be as if we were a brand new group, and all of the press and members we were able to generate during the O&A suspension would likely be lost.

Therefore, we have decided to keep our name until we are able to rebuild a bit.. Once we are strong again, we can comfortably announce a name change. In the meantime, when we are asked about our name, it presents a great opportunity to tell the story about how quickly we grew, practically overnight.

I wont bother with the rest of mattys comments, as stankfoot seems to have answered them sufficiently. :)

[happytypinggirl]

How about these two:

Citizens Alliance for Protection of the First Amendment (CAPFA)

or

Citizens Alliance for Protection of First Amendment Rights (CAPFAR)

HTG - I apologize if this thread has taken a turn outside of your initial intentions. No harm is meant by it - at least not by me.

And although I hate to admit it, Matty had some good points RE: the name and connotations it has already gained.

These would be inaccurate. There are MANY organizations that are watchdog groups to support the first amendment which protects us from government intrusion on free speech, most notably the ACLU.

PAC seeks to step in as a counter force to special interest groups who are trying to get companies to shut down anything that a small group of people finds offensive.

Our mission is to petition non-govermental entities to stop restricting what people can say, and to petition corporations who choose to produce and or support controversial programming, not to cave in to the demands of small special interest groups.

More on this appears on our 'About Us' page on the pac website.

In the near future, i hope to host a discussion on Paltalk about what PAC is, what we're about and answer any questions. If you dont already have a name on paltalk, you should sign up and join in. Membership is free!

[happytypinggirl]

Right. Free Expression, Open Expression, all of these things are good, so the group doesn't fall into the trap of controlling speech.

What THEY need to do is be a watchdog of the anti-expression watchdog groups, like Parents Television Council, that video game lawyer jackass, etc.

that is precisely what we are.

[mikeyboy]

I wont bother with the rest of mattys comments, as stankfoot seems to have answered them sufficiently. :)

:lol:

[Freitag]

Just a quick comment on the name issue.

We named ourselves in the middle of the night when we never expected to hit more than 500 members. Once we grew to 13,000 and received media attention, we began to realize that there might be a better name out there to describe what we stand for.

However, given that we have name recognition now, but have falled a short ways off the map due to all our technical difficulties, a name change is not sensible right now. If we change our name, it will be as if we were a brand new group, and all of the press and members we were able to generate during the O&A suspension would likely be lost.

Therefore, we have decided to keep our name until we are able to rebuild a bit.. Once we are strong again, we can comfortably announce a name change. In the meantime, when we are asked about our name, it presents a great opportunity to tell the story about how quickly we grew, practically overnight.

I wont bother with the rest of mattys comments, as stankfoot seems to have answered them sufficiently. :)


Zing. No, wait.. zing.

What "rest of my comments"? The fact of the matter which you may not want to recognize is that I'm giving you free advice. In my own way, but I'm not bashing your group. The fact that you think I'm being petty because I wasn't invited to your party - especially since that thread wasn't supposed to be taken seriously - shows how clouded your judgment can be. You don't know me. I don't know you. Why do you think I believe I should have been invited to your party? It was mainly a commentary on private events being made public and excluding people, which pretty much goes against the entire R&F concept. NOT because of a personal snub. If you DID know anything about me - and this is the part where Mikey goes, "Oh crap, he's right" - is that I can count on one hand how many events I've gone to in the past calendar yet. I'm not an R&F social butterfly, so excuse me if you think I'm waiting outside Hyde trying to get in and getting snooty with the bouncer.

It was mainly because I felt terrible for MadMatt when he posted about going to the Luau and then was told BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED ON R&F that it was a private event.

And although your comments make sense about the name change, the time is NOW, when you're in a lull, to change the name and come back re-branded and stronger than ever. You get a PR pop when you change the name, so when your services ARE needed by the next big media issue, you're ready.

Let's say when GTA4 comes out and Jack Thompson makes a huge stink about it, if you play your cards right, you'll be on CNN. That's something you can FORECAST. You know it's coming. So why not change up NOW rather than later and confuse people?

Also, I noticed a position that you're missing on this help wanted list and sorely in need of is a researcher. If it is in fact true that you appeared on Television and said that you didn't visit Drudge Report, it makes you look really bad. Although you may not want to do it, it'll help if you have a volunteer to do prep with you so you know what you're talking about. You may not play video games, but you'll have someone else on the team that will know the issue, so when you make the appearance, you know what's going on.

The problem with a large number of these talking heads that appear on TV is that they don't know what they are talking about or they are misinformed. You can curtail that.

Sorry I'm not blowing sunshine up your ass like 99 percent of the people around here do. But I'm giving you cold, hard, honest opinions and ideas, rather than bashing you for the sake of bashing or getting personal, which you and Stankfoot are implying.

[EliSnow]

How about these two:

Citizens Alliance for Protection of the First Amendment (CAPFA)

or

Citizens Alliance for Protection of First Amendment Rights (CAPFAR)

HTG - I apologize if this thread has taken a turn outside of your initial intentions. No harm is meant by it - at least not by me.

And although I hate to admit it, Matty had some good points RE: the name and connotations it has already gained.

These would be inaccurate. There are MANY organizations that are watchdog groups to support the first amendment which protects us from government intrusion on free speech, most notably the ACLU.

PAC seeks to step in as a counter force to special interest groups who are trying to get companies to shut down anything that a small group of people finds offensive.

Our mission is to petition non-govermental entities to stop restricting what people can say, and to petition corporations who choose to produce and or support controversial programming, not to cave in to the demands of small special interest groups.

More on this appears on our 'About Us' page on the pac website.

In the near future, i hope to host a discussion on Paltalk about what PAC is, what we're about and answer any questions. If you dont already have a name on paltalk, you should sign up and join in. Membership is free!

Just as an add-on to what HTP is saying. The First Amendment only applies to governmental restrictions on free speech, and thus, would not apply to efforts by special interest groups to use economic or other pressure to restrict speech. Since the purpose of the group is to counteract such special interest groups, it should not tie itself to protecting First Amendment rights.

[Freitag]

:lol:

BTW, what did happen to your admonishing comment last night?

[OneEyeJack]

I can draw very well and have an idea for a logo



THEIR GOOD FOR YOU
THEIR GOOD FOR ME
JOIN STP......

[mikeyboy]

BTW, what did happen to your admonishing comment last night?

I decided not to start shit, even though you were acting like an ass, so I deleted my post a minute or so after I posted it.

BTW, the post that you removed was absolutely moronic.

[Freitag]

I decided not to start shit, even though you were acting like an ass, so I deleted my post a minute or so after I posted it.

BTW, the post that you removed was absolutely moronic.

Yeah, so? I deleted it. I don't have the advantage of completely obliterating the post although I know that feature is available to regular users and not just mods.

And I'm not starting shit. I'm providing cold honest advice to people fromt a media/PR standpoint.

She's right that the PAC branding is known in the O&A circles, but that could also be that something that works against her too, especially since one of the main knocks on the group is that it's a Pest front group.

[MadMatt]

Just a quick comment on the name issue. When you have established some name recognition, its not always smart to change your name.

We named ourselves in the middle of the night when we never expected to hit more than 500 members. Once we grew to 13,000 and received media attention, we began to realize that there might be a better name out there to describe what we stand for.

However, given that we have name recognition now, but have falled a short ways off the map due to all our technical difficulties, a name change is not sensible right now. If we change our name, it will be as if we were a brand new group, and all of the press and members we were able to generate during the O&A suspension would likely be lost.

Therefore, we have decided to keep our name until we are able to rebuild a bit.. Once we are strong again, we can comfortably announce a name change. In the meantime, when we are asked about our name, it presents a great opportunity to tell the story about how quickly we grew, practically overnight.

I wont bother with the rest of mattys comments, as stankfoot seems to have answered them sufficiently. :)

Good point. However, I was looking at it from the opposing viewpoint - things got screwed up with PAC and the site, participation dropped, etc. I saw this downtime as an opportunity to regroup and re-purpose with a new name and renewed vigor. [EDIT: and as I re-read the thread, Freitag made this point too. Not trying to steal your thunder Budday).

I see your point though. It may be easier to rebuild from the base you already have and eventually change the name when things are more stable.

These would be inaccurate. There are MANY organizations that are watchdog groups to support the first amendment which protects us from government intrusion on free speech, most notably the ACLU.

PAC seeks to step in as a counter force to special interest groups who are trying to get companies to shut down anything that a small group of people finds offensive.

Our mission is to petition non-govermental entities to stop restricting what people can say, and to petition corporations who choose to produce and or support controversial programming, not to cave in to the demands of small special interest groups.

More on this appears on our 'About Us' page on the pac website.

In the near future, i hope to host a discussion on Paltalk about what PAC is, what we're about and answer any questions. If you dont already have a name on paltalk, you should sign up and join in. Membership is free!

Aaahhh, I now see the distinction you are going for. I will admit that I climbed onboard early then forgot about the site after I couldn't get back on (essentially like many other people), so I haven't even seen the "About Us" section.

Again, I was looking at it from a different perspective - PAC is fighting to protect the First Amendment Rights of performers, etc. from being trampled upon by small interest groups who are trying to squelch that right.

Either way, I will refrain from additional name suggestions. :wink:

And thanks again for all of your efforts HTG. I hope to get more involved with PAC, although this first round of positions seems a little out of my "commitment range" at the moment. Keep up the great work!

[Freitag]

Just as an add-on to what HTP is saying. The First Amendment only applies to governmental restrictions on free speech, and thus, would not apply to efforts by special interest groups to use economic or other pressure to restrict speech. Since the purpose of the group is to counteract such special interest groups, it should not tie itself to protecting First Amendment rights.

Correct, which goes back to #1 about the name change. Censorship infers 1st Amendment issues. The PAC should be about the following core values:

1) Responsible news and media broadcasting - a double edged sword that goes for both "shock jocks" and the news.

2) Watching the Watchdogs - making sure things aren't misrepresented, like the PTC going after the WWE, most notably for the Al Snow/Head issue.

3) Counteracting the Special Interests group - being a group that raises a voice in a sensible manner. You don't see people destroying stuff when they don't get their way.

4) Creating a positive, forward thinking mindset among members and passing that along to the media. You should not be AGAINST something - you should be for something. It immediately gives you better leverage in a debate forum.

5) Building and helping out in the community. Want to gain some positive press and using your people at the same time? Take part in a charity walk. Publicize it. You don't see Al Sharpton taking part in canned food drives.

[Dougie Brootal]

i would volunteer but (in keeping with the spirit of the thread)

1) im lazy

2) im cant keep anything together

3)im very disorganized

4)and im too shy to even say hi to htg when i saw her in dc at the virus tour with pat from moonachie.

[Freitag]

Deb, I'm going to throw this out there. Now, if you want to take this on, feel free. If not... well, then I can't say I didn't try to help.

Grand Theft Auto 4 comes out in March. Jack Thompson is blitzing it. CNN wants you on for a counterpoint. What are the topics and ideas you hit on?

[EliSnow]

Again, I was looking at it from a different perspective - PAC is fighting to protect the First Amendment Rights of performers, etc. from being trampled upon by small interest groups who are trying to squelch that right.


PAC is not doing that. The 1st Amendment right only applies to the government. Small Interest Groups can only trample that right to the extent that they are seeking passage of legislation that would affect that right.

PAC is seeking to protect a broader ideal of free speech.

[MadMatt]

PAC is not doing that. The 1st Amendment right only applies to the government. Small Interest Groups can only trample that right to the extent that they are seeking passage of legislation that would affect that right.

PAC is seeking to protect a broader ideal of free speech.

Yeah, I said I get that. I had a misconception that she cleared up.

[Snoogans]

I wanna run the budget

[Snacks]

I hate to admit it but tenbat/frietag sounds like he should be running this group. You know your shit or at least you sound like it, which is all that matters when it comes to speical interests groups and the media. No one cares about real facts and the truth, they only care about what you tell them are facts and the truth.

I vote for Matt to start his own group that actually represents all!

[MadMatt]

I hate to admit it but tenbat/frietag sounds like he should be running this group. You know your shit or at least you sound like it, which is all that matters when it comes to speical interests groups and the media. No one cares about real facts and the truth, they only care about what you tell them are facts and the truth.

I vote for Matt to start his own group that actually represents all!

Thanks Snacks - I have actually thought about it. Either a first amendment group or a new political party.

I just wish I had more time. Working and supporting a family have taken more energy and time than I ever thought it could/would. However, something needs to be done in this country and somebody has to get off their butt and do it.

Maybe I should practice what I preach...

[deepinthewoods]

Maybe a name change to PAC UK will appease the haters.

[happytypinggirl]

Zing. No, wait.. zing.

What "rest of my comments"? The fact of the matter which you may not want to recognize is that I'm giving you free advice. In my own way, but I'm not bashing your group. The fact that you think I'm being petty because I wasn't invited to your party - especially since that thread wasn't supposed to be taken seriously - shows how clouded your judgment can be. You don't know me. I don't know you. Why do you think I believe I should have been invited to your party? It was mainly a commentary on private events being made public and excluding people, which pretty much goes against the entire R&F concept. NOT because of a personal snub. If you DID know anything about me - and this is the part where Mikey goes, "Oh crap, he's right" - is that I can count on one hand how many events I've gone to in the past calendar yet. I'm not an R&F social butterfly, so excuse me if you think I'm waiting outside Hyde trying to get in and getting snooty with the bouncer.

It was mainly because I felt terrible for MadMatt when he posted about going to the Luau and then was told BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED ON R&F that it was a private event.

And although your comments make sense about the name change, the time is NOW, when you're in a lull, to change the name and come back re-branded and stronger than ever. You get a PR pop when you change the name, so when your services ARE needed by the next big media issue, you're ready.

Let's say when GTA4 comes out and Jack Thompson makes a huge stink about it, if you play your cards right, you'll be on CNN. That's something you can FORECAST. You know it's coming. So why not change up NOW rather than later and confuse people?

Also, I noticed a position that you're missing on this help wanted list and sorely in need of is a researcher. If it is in fact true that you appeared on Television and said that you didn't visit Drudge Report, it makes you look really bad. Although you may not want to do it, it'll help if you have a volunteer to do prep with you so you know what you're talking about. You may not play video games, but you'll have someone else on the team that will know the issue, so when you make the appearance, you know what's going on.

The problem with a large number of these talking heads that appear on TV is that they don't know what they are talking about or they are misinformed. You can curtail that.

Sorry I'm not blowing sunshine up your ass like 99 percent of the people around here do. But I'm giving you cold, hard, honest opinions and ideas, rather than bashing you for the sake of bashing or getting personal, which you and Stankfoot are implying.

psssst ....it was a joke. even pac spokespeople are allowed to have a sense of humor.

and in all honestly, your other comments have been addressed ad infinitum and frankly, for you to say we were clearly an O&A only group, is not good free advice that i should be greatful for. its a bunch of crap.

sure some of our members joined just to support o&a. and thats their right. but if you choose to ignore that we formed when imus was fired, and stood outside for hours to support jv and elvis, then i dont know what else to say.

we can agree to disagree about the timing of the name change.

as far as missing positions, please go back and read the last part of the request which clearly states that AS SOON AS THESE POSITIONS ARE FILLED WE WILL BE SEEKING ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. please at least carefully read my post before you accuse me of being uniformed. fyi, the team that will be focusing on getting news out to our members, (director of media relations) will be comprised of researchers.

[happytypinggirl]

Correct, which goes back to #1 about the name change. Censorship infers 1st Amendment issues. The PAC should be about the following core values:

1) Responsible news and media broadcasting - a double edged sword that goes for both "shock jocks" and the news.

2) Watching the Watchdogs - making sure things aren't misrepresented, like the PTC going after the WWE, most notably for the Al Snow/Head issue.

3) Counteracting the Special Interests group - being a group that raises a voice in a sensible manner. You don't see people destroying stuff when they don't get their way.

4) Creating a positive, forward thinking mindset among members and passing that along to the media. You should not be AGAINST something - you should be for something. It immediately gives you better leverage in a debate forum.

5) Building and helping out in the community. Want to gain some positive press and using your people at the same time? Take part in a charity walk. Publicize it. You don't see Al Sharpton taking part in canned food drives.

censorship does not infer first amendment. censorship can come from many sources.

i understand your point about how in some cases it is preferable to be for something rather then against. but i dont think there is necessarily anything wrong with being against something as well. the reality is, the group IS against a number of things, and that is a very important part of our mission.

going out and buliding in the community is an excellent thing for an organization to do ONCE YOU HAVE a strong and dedicated core group. i will certainly keep that in mind for the future.

[happytypinggirl]

Deb, I'm going to throw this out there. Now, if you want to take this on, feel free. If not... well, then I can't say I didn't try to help.

Grand Theft Auto 4 comes out in March. Jack Thompson is blitzing it. CNN wants you on for a counterpoint. What are the topics and ideas you hit on?

its really not appropriate for me to respond to every person who wants to 'test' me on my response to a potential issue for several reasons

a) pac isn't all about me and my thoughts
b) you think you're the only person who wants an answer to your every thought, but its simply not the case. you simply will not find ANY leader of ANY organization who will sit on a list of 10 message boards answering every single comment, criticism, or challenge thrown out there. you have to choose when to make public statements. i should learn and stop getting engaged in message board conversations alltogether, but i try to answer what seems to be a simple point, and then get sucked in.
c) feel free to tune in for the response. see you in march!
d) i dont see how you're putting this question 'out there' purports to help?

btw matt, for all of your comments and desires to take charge, im curious why you havent thrown your skills into the ring now that the opportunity to help run the organization is being offered?

[MadMatt]

btw matt, for all of your comments and desires to take charge, im curious why you havent thrown your skills into the ring now that the opportunity to help run the organization is being offered?


Why take shots at me? I never said I wanted to take charge - I just offered some other name choices and mentioned that I have wanted to create a similar group RE: free speech/political change for years.

Unfortunately, my "regular life" has made it nearly impossible to do so, but I hope to help in a subordinate/support PAC position if/when they become available.

I'm just trying to help - sorry if I pissed you off. :surrender:

[Freitag]

btw matt, for all of your comments and desires to take charge, im curious why you havent thrown your skills into the ring now that the opportunity to help run the organization is being offered?


Eh? I gave comments, insight, opinions, and feedback. That shouldn't be construed in any way, shape, or form that I want to "take charge". No one takes me seriously, nor should they, and if they do, they have a problem. I have no leadership skills and the people skills I do have are limited at best, mainly hampered by social anxiety and trust issues. I am wildly creative, and have multiple experience in all of the fields that you have spoken of. But I choose not to immerse myself in the 202 fanbase, rather keeping them at arm's length. I like it better that way. I don't trust people I don't know other than words on a screen. Ron and Fez said on the air today that I've said some pretty awful things and not a lot of people like "me", or at the very least, the "me" they see on RF.net. I don't have an issue with that.

So in answer to your question, I'm perfectly happy playing armchair quarterback. You don't have to listen to me. If you do, great, if you don't, I'm not worried.

[Freitag]

Why take shots at me? I never said I wanted to take charge - I just offered some other name choices and mentioned that I have wanted to create a similar group RE: free speech/political change for years.

Unfortunately, my "regular life" has made it nearly impossible to do so, but I hope to help in a subordinate/support PAC position if/when they become available.

I'm just trying to help - sorry if I pissed you off. :surrender:

Hi. My real name is Matt too.

[Furtherman]

For fuck's sake, drop the "nobody likes me" shtick already, will ya? It's embarrassing.

Wildy creative? Multiple experience? Prove it. Because if you didn't want be involved you wouldn't told us you could do it.

[happytypinggirl]

Why take shots at me? I never said I wanted to take charge - I just offered some other name choices and mentioned that I have wanted to create a similar group RE: free speech/political change for years.

Unfortunately, my "regular life" has made it nearly impossible to do so, but I hope to help in a subordinate/support PAC position if/when they become available.

I'm just trying to help - sorry if I pissed you off. :surrender:

ooops not you! other matt. mattyfridays matt.

[spoon]

These would be inaccurate. There are MANY organizations that are watchdog groups to support the first amendment which protects us from government intrusion on free speech, most notably the ACLU.

PAC seeks to step in as a counter force to special interest groups who are trying to get companies to shut down anything that a small group of people finds offensive.

Our mission is to petition non-govermental entities to stop restricting what people can say, and to petition corporations who choose to produce and or support controversial programming, not to cave in to the demands of small special interest groups.

More on this appears on our 'About Us' page on the pac website.

In the near future, i hope to host a discussion on Paltalk about what PAC is, what we're about and answer any questions. If you dont already have a name on paltalk, you should sign up and join in. Membership is free!

That's a good and much needed stance. I'm up for helping out if we keep things geared in this nature. Time, work and life (as with everyone else) will surely limit my ability to help at times, but I'd surely pitch in.

[OneEyeJack]

STAY FREE
JOIN STP..
I,m good..

[Tenbatsuzen]

For fuck's sake, drop the "nobody likes me" shtick already, will ya? It's embarrassing.

Wildy creative? Multiple experience? Prove it. Because if you didn't want be involved you wouldn't told us you could do it.

Excuse me? What the fuck do I have to prove to YOU?

I didn't say "nobody likes me". Ron and Fez mentioned on the show yesterday that a large part of the fanbase has issues with me, because of my attitude, my opinions, or rumors about me. It's useless for me to fight what other people think of me through the internet, so I don't. Just like spoon, a lot of people who know me "in real life" realize that I am WILDLY different in real life than how I'm perceived on the boards.

And tell me this, Freuderman - how did you deduce I want to be involved if I simply said I could do it? I have no time nor desire to be a part of something like this.

[Fezticle98]

For fuck's sake, drop the "nobody likes me" shtick already, will ya? It's embarrassing.

Wildy creative? Multiple experience? Prove it. Because if you didn't want be involved you wouldn't told us you could do it.

Excuse me? What the fuck do I have to prove to YOU?

I didn't say "nobody likes me". Ron and Fez mentioned on the show yesterday that a large part of the fanbase has issues with me, because of my attitude, my opinions, or rumors about me. It's useless for me to fight what other people think of me through the internet, so I don't. Just like spoon, a lot of people who know me "in real life" realize that I am WILDLY different in real life than how I'm perceived on the boards.

And tell me this, Freuderman - how did you deduce I want to be involved if I simply said I could do it? I have no time nor desire to be a part of something like this.

No, you are!

[The Blowhard]

Whether you agree with the way HTG has been handling things or not, she should be commended for doing SOMETHING! Starting an advocacy group from the ground up is a slow and at times a very difficult process, and instead of rambling on and on with suggestions and criticisms in a public forum, why not just e-mail her? Messageboards like this one have great political potential, and if you disagree with me, think about this: instead of posting about your favorite ice cream flavor or what meds you're on, how about writing to your elected officials?
These are scary times, and to HTG and PAC, I say bravo. Fuck apathy, it's time to wake the fuck up and get involved!

[Furtherman]

And tell me this, Freuderman - how did you deduce I want to be involved if I simply said I could do it? I have no time nor desire to be a part of something like this.

OK Sawyer, you don't want to be involved, I get it.

[MadMatt]

ooops not you! other matt. mattyfridays matt.

Ooops here too. I guess I am too paranoid...

:tongue:

[moochcassidy]

For fuck's sake, drop the "nobody likes me" shtick already, will ya? It's embarrassing.

Wildy creative? Multiple experience? Prove it. Because if you didn't want be involved you wouldn't told us you could do it.


whooa whoooa there doggie

let the man speak

[Midkiff]

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[JPMNICK]

OK Sawyer, you don't want to be involved, I get it.

tom sawyer or Sawyer for lost?

[Furtherman]

tom sawyer or Sawyer for lost?

Lost.

[JPMNICK]

Lost.

nice reference

[TheMojoPin]

instead of posting about your favorite ice cream flavor or what meds you're on, how about writing to your elected officials?

Oh, the irony.

These are scary times

Are they? What does this even mean?

[Fezticle98]

Are they? What does this even mean?

Really makes you think.

[spoon]

Really makes you think.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?:wacko:

[underdog]

Are they? What does this even mean?

Really makes you think.

Its a slippery slope.

[Fezticle98]

Its a slippery slope.

Not for nothing, but it is what it is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Whether you agree with the way HTG has been handling things or not, she should be commended for doing SOMETHING! Starting an advocacy group from the ground up is a slow and at times a very difficult process, and instead of rambling on and on with suggestions and criticisms in a public forum, why not just e-mail her? Messageboards like this one have great political potential, and if you disagree with me, think about this: instead of posting about your favorite ice cream flavor or what meds you're on, how about writing to your elected officials?
These are scary times, and to HTG and PAC, I say bravo. Fuck apathy, it's time to wake the fuck up and get involved!

So you're saying that if we want to talk about free speech, we shouldn't make our opinions public?

[Tenbatsuzen]

tom sawyer or Sawyer for lost?

I'd rail Becky Thatcher like you wouldn't fucking believe.

[underdog]

Not for nothing, but it is what it is.

You win some, you lose some.

[TheMojoPin]

"RIGHT NOW...there's no tomorrow..."

Damn you, Van Hagar.

[Stankfoot]

New York Super Fudge Chunk :thumbup:

[The Blowhard]

Oh, the irony.



Are they? What does this even mean?

No,you're right. Everything is hunky dory, Pravda boy.

[Mafialife Chris]

Eh? I gave comments, insight, opinions, and feedback. That shouldn't be construed in any way, shape, or form that I want to "take charge". No one takes me seriously, nor should they, and if they do, they have a problem. I have no leadership skills and the people skills I do have are limited at best, mainly hampered by social anxiety and trust issues. I am wildly creative, and have multiple experience in all of the fields that you have spoken of. But I choose not to immerse myself in the 202 fanbase, rather keeping them at arm's length. I like it better that way. I don't trust people I don't know other than words on a screen. Ron and Fez said on the air today that I've said some pretty awful things and not a lot of people like "me", or at the very least, the "me" they see on RF.net. I don't have an issue with that.

So in answer to your question, I'm perfectly happy playing armchair quarterback. You don't have to listen to me. If you do, great, if you don't, I'm not worried.

Many fans of Free Speech and supporters of the PAC appreciate ALL of the feedback and advice you just gave. Deb may be getting a bit defensive after reading this thread, but from someone who also cares standing on the outside, she is commended for her work in all this!

I know regardless at any one of these rallies the PAC are doing, i will be there supporting Free Speech. Good Job Deb. I can never take initiative the way you did.

PAC are on thier way to diong exactly what they want to do. I have faith in them.

Excuse me? What the fuck do I have to prove to YOU?

I didn't say "nobody likes me". Ron and Fez mentioned on the show yesterday that a large part of the fanbase has issues with me, because of my attitude, my opinions, or rumors about me. It's useless for me to fight what other people think of me through the internet, so I don't. Just like spoon, a lot of people who know me "in real life" realize that I am WILDLY different in real life than how I'm perceived on the boards.

And tell me this, Freuderman - how did you deduce I want to be involved if I simply said I could do it? I have no time nor desire to be a part of something like this.

Regardless, your advice should be respected as well. So thanks for chiming in. it matters to those who wanted these threads to start, in order to push the process along. It seemed the PAC fell off for a while.
I'm so glad things are on the up and up now. You made great points to show other sides of the coin. Thx

Whether you agree with the way HTG has been handling things or not, she should be commended for doing SOMETHING! Starting an advocacy group from the ground up is a slow and at times a very difficult process, and instead of rambling on and on with suggestions and criticisms in a public forum, why not just e-mail her? Messageboards like this one have great political potential, and if you disagree with me, think about this: instead of posting about your favorite ice cream flavor or what meds you're on, how about writing to your elected officials?
These are scary times, and to HTG and PAC, I say bravo. Fuck apathy, it's time to wake the fuck up and get involved!

There is nothing wrong with doing both. Something has to keep things in check. We had post on spreadtheiris with ppl who CARE wante dto ask things. I agree, if they cared enough they will certainly email the corperation. Still wouldve been nice gesture to at least clear some confusion. So i am personally glad she posted and ppl commented pro and con.

Also shows HTG got balls of steel! She had to know posting these things on the boards wouldve led to some heat. And it's being handled well IMO , Kudos.

When the fuck are we going to L and B Blowhard?

Go Brooklyn!

Seeya

[TheMojoPin]

No,you're right. Everything is hunky dory, Pravda boy.

I didn't say that.

What specifically makes these times so clearly dire? Are they moreso scary than previous times in our history? Why? What is happening now that is so much different or worse than things typical in our society in the past? Special interest groups decrying the content of public media has been around since this country began. It was raging in full force when we didn't have electronic media invented yet. That's not to excuse people getting things shut down for stupid reasons, but how exactly are things so "scary" as compared to any other time? What PAC is doing is very cool and people should support them if they can, but they're ultimately just a special interest group the same as the others that they disagree with. What's so terrifying?

It's just that those generel doom 'n' gloom statements get tossed around so much they ultimately loose all meaning.

[The Blowhard]

I didn't say that.

What specifically makes these times so clearly dire? Are they moreso scary than previous times in our history? Why? What is happening now that is so much different or worse than things typical in our society in the past? Special interest groups decrying the content of public media has been around since this country began. It was raging in full force when we didn't have electronic media invented yet. That's not to excuse people getting things shut down for stupid reasons, but how exactly are things so "scary" as compared to any other time? What PAC is doing is very cool and people should support them if they can, but they're ultimately just a special interest group the same as the others that they disagree with. What's so terrifying?

It's just that those generel doom 'n' gloom statements get tossed around so much they ultimately loose all meaning.

Is it worse now? Of course it is. From the p.c. left to the religious right, free speech is under attack, whether it be from corporate media consolidation(which silences and squashes small, independent media outlets) to the tyranny of the FCC and it's selective persecution. I can go on forever, but I think you get my point Mojo. From The Dixie Chicks to Michael Savage, unpopular speech is as polarizing as it's ever been in my lifetime, and yes, it's scary.
And that's all I have to say on the subject. I don't think I post here anymore.
And Chris, we gotta hit L&B before it gets too cold, but I am cutting down and only eating 10 slices at a time now.(Squares, of course!)

[TheMojoPin]

Is it worse now? Of course it is. From the p.c. left to the religious right, free speech is under attack, whether it be from corporate media consolidation(which silences and squashes small, independent media outlets) to the tyranny of the FCC and it's selective persecution. I can go on forever, but I think you get my point Mojo. From The Dixie Chicks to Michael Savage, unpopular speech is as polarizing as it's ever been in my lifetime, and yes, it's scary.

I don't think it's all a good thing, but just speaking as someone who lives and breathes American history as my eventual occupation, the social history of America has included these kind of conflicts almost since day one just due to the very nature of our social freedoms. It only seems so much more expansive now because the media and social structure has expanded so dramatically in such a relatively short period of time. You point out how "it's worse as it's even been in your lifetime"...well, think over your lifetime and compare how pervasive the media and our pop culture is now compared to any other point in your liftetime. As THOSE social "monsters" naturally get bigger and bigger, so are the conflicts, debates and clashes that go along with it.

[EliSnow]

I don't think it's worse now than before. If anything that's what the people opposing content on the airwaves is saying. Look at broadcast television and radio, and think whether some of the things aired could have been aired 30, 20 or 10 years ago. Yes, the FCC is trying to regulate more content than say 5-8 years ago, that type of content would never have seen the light of day in the '70s or before.

Yes, some types of content is being scrutinized/objected to more than it was before. There's not disputing that. But other content is being permitted. And it's not like we're back in the '50s, etc., when you couldn't say pregnancy on tv or elsewhere, or in the movies when you had the Hays office.

There is an ebb and flow with regard to the acceptance of speech and content, with some more expressive times and some more restricted times, but overall, we're still better off now than we were 30 or 40 years ago.

[Freitag]

Is it worse now? Of course it is. From the p.c. left to the religious right, free speech is under attack, whether it be from corporate media consolidation(which silences and squashes small, independent media outlets) to the tyranny of the FCC and it's selective persecution. I can go on forever, but I think you get my point Mojo. From The Dixie Chicks to Michael Savage, unpopular speech is as polarizing as it's ever been in my lifetime, and yes, it's scary.
And that's all I have to say on the subject. I don't think I post here anymore.
And Chris, we gotta hit L&B before it gets too cold, but I am cutting down and only eating 10 slices at a time now.(Squares, of course!)

Only one problem with your Dixie Chicks argument: They weren't censored. They made a choice to say the things they said, and they made another choice to stand their ground when they knew it would affect their fanbase. Radio stations made THEIR choice not to play their music because their listeners said they didn't want to hear their music. No one STOPPED the Dixie Chicks from making political statements or making music.

This goes back to issue #1 that censorship isn't the problem; It's social responsibility and open expression, which is a different can of worms.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think it's worse now than before. If anything that's what the people opposing content on the airwaves is saying. Look at broadcast television and radio, and think whether some of the things aired could have been aired 30, 20 or 10 years ago. Yes, the FCC is trying to regulate more content than say 5-8 years ago, that type of content would never have seen the light of day in the '70s or before.

Yes, some types of content is being scrutinized/objected to more than it was before. There's not disputing that. But other content is being permitted. And it's not like we're back in the '50s, etc., when you couldn't say pregnancy on tv or elsewhere, or in the movies when you had the Hays office.

There is an ebb and flow with regard to the acceptance of speech and content, with some more expressive times and some more restricted times, but overall, we're still better off now than we were 30 or 40 years ago.

Exactly. The content of all forms of media is so much more expressive and broad and, dare I say it, liberal (not in the political sense, so calm down, everyone) than it has ever been in our nation's history.