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TheMojoPin

11-17-2008, 10:21 AM

The reference to "the Watchmen" by the characters in the trailer is rather eyebrow-raising. Nobody is ever actualy in a group officially called "the Watchmen" in the book. It's a derogatory, critical term in the book based out of the quote "who watches the watchers/watchmen?"

NYHCmikeX

11-17-2008, 11:34 AM

The reference to "the Watchmen" by the characters in the trailer is rather eyebrow-raising. Nobody is ever actualy in a group officially called "the Watchmen" in the book. It's a derogatory, critical term in the book based out of the quote "who watches the watchers/watchmen?"

Yeah, but the group did have a name, right? I forget what it was as its been a while since I read it. They will probably just refer to the whole group as "The Watchmen" for the purposes of Hollywood. I'm really excited to see this movie, but am not holding out hope for it to be really good, or stay true to the original story at all. Judging from alot of the shit I'm reading about it, it seems like they are straying from the story in key parts.

KingGeno

11-17-2008, 11:40 AM

Here's Director Zack Snyder's exact reply to this: (taken from CHUD)

The original [team] we called the Minutemen, as per the graphic novel. We never exactly say whether or not in the more modern version we call them the Watchmen/Crimebusters. We loosely called them Watchmen as more of a the symbolic name, more than anything else.

mikeyboy

11-17-2008, 11:45 AM

Yeah, but the group did have a name, right? I forget what it was as its been a while since I read it. They will probably just refer to the whole group as "The Watchmen" for the purposes of Hollywood. I'm really excited to see this movie, but am not holding out hope for it to be really good, or stay true to the original story at all. Judging from alot of the shit I'm reading about it, it seems like they are straying from the story in key parts.

From Wikipedia:

They came together only briefly as "The Crimebusters", a failed attempt in 1966 by Captain Metropolis to form a successor group to "The Minutemen".

NYHCmikeX

11-17-2008, 11:49 AM

Yeah, I was thinking about the Minutemen. I guess for the purpose of the film, if they're gonna use the term, "Who watches the Watchmen?" (which I assume they will, cause it fuckin rules) they kind of need to establish the name. I guess.

KingGeno

11-17-2008, 11:51 AM

What I posted above, Zack Snyder's response to the question about it, I take away that they sorta use it loosely in saying "We are Watchmen" as in people who watch over society. That's my guess, they aren't saying Watchmen meaning the Watchmen team, just the facade of these individuals.

NYHCmikeX

11-17-2008, 11:58 AM

What I posted above, Zack Snyder's response to the question about it, I take away that they sorta use it loosely in saying "We are Watchmen" as in people who watch over society. That's my guess, they aren't saying Watchmen meaning the Watchmen team, just the facade of these individuals.

Yeah, well thats better too. I find it better to keep my expectations low for a movie that has potential to be awesome. This way, if its good, but not great, I dont get disappointed, and if it sucks I kinda expected it.

KingGeno

11-17-2008, 12:05 PM

I mean, they have been speaking a lot about how the theatre cut will be just that. They are pushing the "Ultimate Watchmen" DVD and BluRay, where they will be incorporating the Black Freighter within the story itself, as well as having it as a separate movie starring Gerard Butler as the voice of the captain. This Black Freighter movie is going to be released on DVD 5 days after the launch of the movie (march 11, 2009).

So I'm going into this movie feeling that this will be a movie for the popcorners, but increasing us fans and readers for the ultimate version.

Dirtbag

11-17-2008, 02:26 PM

Yeah, well thats better too. I find it better to keep my expectations low for a movie that has potential to be awesome. This way, if its good, but not great, I dont get disappointed, and if it sucks I kinda expected it.
The only movie I was actually able to do that with was Spider-Man 3. I knew it was going to suck, and it most certainly did, but it was still far better than I expected going in.

PD

11-18-2008, 09:04 AM

I feel like I did before The Lord of the Rings movie.

great source material, hoping that it lives up to it.

Lots of action in the trailer, but a lot has to still be seen - like the ending change.

LordJezo

11-18-2008, 11:22 AM

cougarjake13

11-18-2008, 11:48 AM

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does it hurt or help me that i've never read the graphic novels, comics , etc. ??

also it looked like towards the end of the trailer in the crowd scene they were burning superman in effigy

NYHCmikeX

11-18-2008, 12:04 PM

does it hurt or help me that i've never read the graphic novels, comics , etc. ??

Judging from the many differences between the two thus far, probably help. Personally, I like reading the book before I see the movie typically, but thats me.

Doctor Manhattan

11-18-2008, 12:28 PM

does it hurt or help me that i've never read the graphic novels, comics , etc. ??

I always thought it's better to see the movie before reading the book. Books generally have more details and go places that would take too long in the movie, so when you watch the movie after reading the book you miss the stuff that was taken out, but when you read the book after seeing the movie it is like getting bonus material or a better insight into what happened in the movie.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but I always like to do it this way if possible.

Just keep in mind that the different forms of the same story should be judged on it's own merits, which can be hard to do.

TheMojoPin

11-18-2008, 03:16 PM

I always thought it's better to see the movie before reading the book. Books generally have more details and go places that would take too long in the movie, so when you watch the movie after reading the book you miss the stuff that was taken out, but when you read the book after seeing the movie it is like getting bonus material or a better insight into what happened in the movie.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but I always like to do it this way if possible.

Just keep in mind that the different forms of the same story should be judged on it's own merits, which can be hard to do.

I think you read the book first, then nothing is spoiled by the movie.

Dirtbag

11-18-2008, 05:38 PM

I think you read the book first, then nothing is spoiled by the movie.
But when the movie nowhere near lives up to it then you're that much more disappointed.

TheMojoPin

11-18-2008, 05:42 PM

But when the movie nowhere near lives up to it then you're that much more disappointed.

Sure, but why let a lackluster movie spoil the experience of reading a guarenteed amazing book? At least by reading the book first you'll always have that first read and how it just blew you away.

KingGeno

12-10-2008, 09:33 AM

Furtherman

12-11-2008, 09:31 AM

kdubya

12-11-2008, 04:08 PM

nite owl looks like batman.

Agreed, and where is his gut? The rubber owl suit has me very worried.

MisterSmith

12-11-2008, 04:38 PM

Nice! Rorschach's mask is going to morph. It isn't quite what I expected, but at least it isn't static, like I thought it might be. I envisioned something like oil on water, but as long as it moves...

SP1!

12-12-2008, 02:00 PM

Agreed, and where is his gut? The rubber owl suit has me very worried.

Yeah thats what I thought seeing this, also isnt he supposed to be older in the book?

Also I dont see how they will kill off Rorschach in the film, hes about the only character I found interesting in the book and where did he get a morphing mask from? Isnt he dirt poor?

The Ogre

12-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Yeah thats what I thought seeing this, also isnt he supposed to be older in the book?

Also I dont see how they will kill off Rorschach in the film, hes about the only character I found interesting in the book and where did he get a morphing mask from? Isnt he dirt poor?

They explain the mask in the book. It's in the chapter detailing his origin and examination by the prison psychiatrist. You did read the book right? It's not like Rorschach survives in it either.

MisterSmith

12-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Yeah thats what I thought seeing this, also isnt he supposed to be older in the book?

Also I dont see how they will kill off Rorschach in the film, hes about the only character I found interesting in the book and where did he get a morphing mask from? Isnt he dirt poor?

They explain the mask in the book. It's in the chapter detailing his origin and examination by the prison psychiatrist. You did read the book right? It's not like Rorschach survives in it either.

And morph isn't quite the right word. In the book the black pattern moves and looks like inkblots - thus Rorschach. That's why I imagined it as oil and water with the black parts moving, melding, and separating; or think of a flat, symmetrical lava lamp.

It doesn't appear to move like that in the movie, but it does move and in a somewhat similar fashion.

Furtherman

12-29-2008, 01:07 PM

Fox says it will try to stop 'Watchmen'

Dec 29, 3:44 PM (ET)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will continue to seek an order delaying the release of 'Watchmen.'

U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero flick, scheduled for release March 6.

Feess said Monday he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining issues.

Fox claims it never fully relinquished story rights from its deal made in the late 1980s, and sued Warner Bros. in February. Warner Bros. contended Fox isn't entitled to distribution.

Warner Bros.' attorney said Monday he didn't know if an appeal was coming, but thinks a trial is necessary and a settlement unlikely.

psycho

01-02-2009, 04:19 PM

Fox says it will try to stop 'Watchmen'

Dec 29, 3:44 PM (ET)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will continue to seek an order delaying the release of 'Watchmen.'

U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero flick, scheduled for release March 6.

Feess said Monday he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining issues.

Fox claims it never fully relinquished story rights from its deal made in the late 1980s, and sued Warner Bros. in February. Warner Bros. contended Fox isn't entitled to distribution.

Warner Bros.' attorney said Monday he didn't know if an appeal was coming, but thinks a trial is necessary and a settlement unlikely.

I will be so mad if this will pushes back the release date, let alone if it doesn't come out because of this...

Don Stugots

01-02-2009, 04:21 PM

the movie never coming out would add to the mystique of the book.

psycho

01-03-2009, 02:05 PM

I don't understand why everyone says it is a strictly a product of its medium. When I was reading it the whole thing felt like it would be perfect for a movie to me.

EliSnow

01-16-2009, 05:39 AM

The lawsuit between Fox and Warner Bros. has been settled. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/15/watchmen-settlement-official/)

Here's the general terms:
8.5% of the gross, a percentage of “everything going forward, including a sequel or spinoff,” as well as a substantial cash payment for Fox’s development costs and attorney fees.
8.5% of gross is a big sum, plus whatever the cash payment is.

I assume a percentage of everything going forward includes DVD sales, tv broadcast, etc.

There shouldn't be a sequal or a spinoff but if there is, that will likely be a bomb equivalent to The Spirit.

TonyStark

01-16-2009, 07:00 AM

Wow, Fox did really well for themselves just by filling a lawsuit.

Servo

01-22-2009, 02:58 AM

Tall_James

01-27-2009, 03:50 PM

Viral Flickr Page of "The New Frontiersman" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenewfrontiersman/)

Drunky McBetidont

01-27-2009, 04:04 PM

Viral Flickr Page of "The New Frontiersman" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenewfrontiersman/)

i want this.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenewfrontiersman/3227874583/

PD

01-27-2009, 05:51 PM

i want this.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenewfrontiersman/3227874583/

nice.

spadanko

01-28-2009, 04:12 AM

Just finished reading it.. amazing.. can't wait for the movie

spadanko

01-29-2009, 07:14 PM

some photos
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/nite-owl-ii-s-antarctica-suit#content

http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=24083

TonyStark

01-30-2009, 07:16 AM

i want this.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenewfrontiersman/3227874583/

Yeah man I'm in the same boat, that thing is sweet.

spadanko

02-02-2009, 11:46 AM

http://cdn.filmdrunk.uproxx.com-s1.simplecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/watchmenfinalposter2.jpg

booster11373

02-02-2009, 01:09 PM

http://www.thenewfrontiersman.net/

more cool stuff

spadanko

02-04-2009, 03:42 PM

awesome

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/02/watchmens-black.html

GreatAmericanZero

02-04-2009, 03:47 PM

awesome

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/02/watchmens-black.html

cool. i figured as much that they probably wouldn't have that stuff in the movie

in fact, i just skimmed through that stuff in the Graphic Novel

booster11373

02-05-2009, 06:14 AM

Dirtbag

02-05-2009, 11:42 AM

plus the costumes on the older heros look really bad
I've always thought they were supposed to look bad and its one of the biggest problems with the movie. These heroes, both the new and the old ones, aren't supposed to look like something out of The Dark Knight. Excepting Ozymandias who is kind of a combination Bruce Wayne/Tony Stark and obviously Dr. Manhattan they're pretty normal people with not unlimited cash flow.

SP1!

02-05-2009, 12:53 PM

The lawsuit between Fox and Warner Bros. has been settled. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/15/watchmen-settlement-official/)

Here's the general terms:

8.5% of gross is a big sum, plus whatever the cash payment is.

I assume a percentage of everything going forward includes DVD sales, tv broadcast, etc.

There shouldn't be a sequal or a spinoff but if there is, that will likely be a bomb equivalent to The Spirit.

I think they have already set it up to have a sequel and I read somewhere that the ending has been changed from the book.

My guess is that Rorschach doesnt die in the film, which is going to be completely stupid

PD

02-09-2009, 06:52 AM

The Financial Times- The relationship between cinema and comics (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e27d8426-f3db-11dd-9c4b-0000779fd2ac.html)

badorties

02-09-2009, 07:40 AM

i was watching the grammy's last night, and they had a trailer for the watchmen and i thought they really gave away a fairly major plot point:

that they were killing off the watchmen for something big

how early in the book was that revealed ...? i haven't read the book in a while, and i though it happened pretty late

drjoek

02-09-2009, 07:42 AM

I thought the Watchmen was some sort of gay porn site?!

mikeyboy

02-09-2009, 07:46 AM

I thought the Watchmen was some sort of gay porn site?!

I just went to see, and it looks like watchmen.com (http://www.watchmen.com/) was poached. There seems to be a basic disconnect as to the value of the domain though. While there are comic book links, the picture on the site is this:

http://images.mximg.com/mdnh/sitebox/splash/Entertainment/Entertainment31965157.jpg

...and the title of the page is capitalized like this:

WatchMen.com

drjoek

02-09-2009, 07:50 AM

I just went to see, and it looks like watchmen.com (http://www.watchmen.com/) was poached. There seems to be a basic disconnect as to the value of the domain though. While there are comic book links, the picture on the site is this:

http://images.mximg.com/mdnh/sitebox/splash/Entertainment/Entertainment31965157.jpg

...and the title of the page is capitalized like this:

WatchMen.com

You may want to clear your browser cache and History ASAP!

MisterSmith

02-09-2009, 07:50 AM

This is the first supplemental item that I didnt like, it feels like the wrong tone.....i dont know

plus the costumes on the older heros look really bad

How did it feel like the wrong tone? This is not an attack on you by any means - I am just trying to get where you are coming from.

IMO it was an excellent representation of what was put forth in the Comic; the government outlawed costumed vigilantes and used public fear to help enforce it. Much like the WWII and Red Scare propaganda used fear to get the American Public to keep a "watchful eye" on their communities.

The Watchmen themselves are trying to do the right thing despite the fact it is illegal and they can get into serious legal trouble for being vigilantes.

booster11373

02-09-2009, 09:47 AM

How did it feel like the wrong tone? This is not an attack on you by any means - I am just trying to get where you are coming from.

IMO it was an excellent representation of what was put forth in the Comic; the government outlawed costumed vigilantes and used public fear to help enforce it. Much like the WWII and Red Scare propaganda used fear to get the American Public to keep a "watchful eye" on their communities.

The Watchmen themselves are trying to do the right thing despite the fact it is illegal and they can get into serious legal trouble for being vigilantes.

It seemed sort of silly with the silhouette of nite-owl and the no masks, capes,gadgets, unlicensed vechiles bit

plus any usage of the image of the Comedian seems out of place since he was sanctioned and was sort of popular 3 years later when he freed the Iranian hostages

Ive been impressed with all the other material this one just seemed to miss it for me

Doctor Manhattan

02-09-2009, 05:11 PM

i was watching the grammy's last night, and they had a trailer for the watchmen and i thought they really gave away a fairly major plot point:

that they were killing off the watchmen for something big

how early in the book was that revealed ...? i haven't read the book in a while, and i though it happened pretty late

The book starts out with Rorschach investigating the death of the Comedian. At that point he suspects that someone is killing off heroes. So it's revealed very early on in the book.

IamFogHat

02-09-2009, 05:37 PM

I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet, but anyway, now that the legal shit is done, can I predict that this movie will most definitely not make it's money back but do well on DVD. Having said that, at some point in the last few months I was really looking forward to this film, or at least the director's cut we'll get on the DVD or whatever, but I've been rereading again it and I'm kind of worried about how this will work as one film. I definitely think it would have worked as a trilogy or two off, but we'll see. Everyone familiar with the book who has seen it loves it so my expectations are way high.
And I've contributed nothing to this discussion.

booster11373

02-12-2009, 11:55 AM

http://www.minutemenarcade.com/uk/

MisterSmith

02-12-2009, 12:10 PM

It seemed sort of silly with the silhouette of nite-owl and the no masks, capes,gadgets, unlicensed vechiles bit

plus any usage of the image of the Comedian seems out of place since he was sanctioned and was sort of popular 3 years later when he freed the Iranian hostages

Ive been impressed with all the other material this one just seemed to miss it for me

I can see your point. I was looking at the tone of the piece but you were looking at specifics. I can certainly see what you mean.

However, I am also taking it with a grain of salt since these videos and pics are trying to pull everybody in not just the hardcore fans like us. "Joe Average" isn't going to be aware of the Comedian's role and that he ends up being government sanctioned. In fact, they may have even altered some of those details for the movie.

You are right, it is a little cheesy. But it is kind of fun cheese (IMO).

Furtherman

02-13-2009, 10:06 AM

OK, I'm jumping into The Watchmen before the movie comes out. I've ordered the com... I mean, graphic novel (my first one!) and now I've heard about this Tales Of The Black Freighter DVD.

Is this something I should watch before or after the movie? I understand it's a comic, within the comic?

Servo

02-13-2009, 10:09 AM

OK, I'm jumping into The Watchmen before the movie comes out. I've ordered the com... I mean, graphic novel (my first one!) and now I've heard about this Tales Of The Black Freighter DVD.

Is this something I should watch before or after the movie? I understand it's a comic, within the comic?

I would say read the novel, then see the movie, then the Black Freighter DVD.

hammersavage

02-13-2009, 10:11 AM

You got three weeks to read it. It's not particularly long so you can do it.

badorties

02-13-2009, 10:21 AM

OK, I'm jumping into The Watchmen before the movie comes out. I've ordered the com... I mean, graphic novel (my first one!) and now I've heard about this Tales Of The Black Freighter DVD.

Is this something I should watch before or after the movie? I understand it's a comic, within the comic?

i say hold off on reading the book until you see the movie ... it always works better that way (except the godfather)

i read the book, loved it and i've resisted re-reading it

if the movie works, the super extensive DVD release should be impressive

realmenhatelife

02-13-2009, 01:06 PM

I just watched the Black Freighter trailer and the fact that they put this out as a supplement speaks volumes about how bad this movie is going to be. I doubt that they dont get why the book is so good, I just think they dont care. The whole point of the Black Freighter story is the context.

mikeyboy

02-13-2009, 01:08 PM

I just watched the Black Freighter trailer and the fact that they put this out as a supplement speaks volumes about how bad this movie is going to be. I doubt that they dont get why the book is so good, I just think they dont care. The whole point of the Black Freighter story is the context.

Yeah, but they need to keep the movie under a certain running length. Including the Black Freighter makes that pretty difficult. At least they are cutting it into the movie for the DVD version apparently.

biozombie

02-13-2009, 03:51 PM

I hope there's a full length DVD about Dan Dreiberg's bird article coming soon...

realmenhatelife

02-13-2009, 08:16 PM

Yeah, but they need to keep the movie under a certain running length. Including the Black Freighter makes that pretty difficult. At least they are cutting it into the movie for the DVD version apparently.

I dont think anything they may do would be unreasonable to make a palatable movie, but that doesn't mean any of it works for making a palatable adaptation of Watchmen. Certain things are unadaptable, and a lot of what Alan Moore writes about will not translate to the screen because it is all about exploring the literary form. Two of the landmark qualities of the book are the cinematic techniques, which arent special at all when put onto film, and the interweaving of narration- which will probably be completely absent.

I think the bottom line is watching the movie will be like having someone telling you what the book is about, and only by describing the plot.

badorties

02-19-2009, 12:35 PM

from zach snyder (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/02/19/watchmen-directors-cut-planned-for-theatrical-release-in-july/):

The director’s cut is three hours and 10 minutes and comes out in July,” Snyder revealed, calling his original edit “considerably more violent than this … and sexier” and explaining that if the movie does well, the director’s cut will get a theatrical release in Los Angeles and New York.

Following that, of course, will be the Watchmen DVD in the fall — which will include what he dubbed a “Crazy Ultimate Freaky Edition” boasting such time-omitted extras as Tales of the Black Freighter, Hollis Mason’s death, more Manhattan moments on Mars and dialogue-heavy scenes with the newsstand-bonding Bernies.

RingWraith

02-19-2009, 03:11 PM

from zach snyder (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/02/19/watchmen-directors-cut-planned-for-theatrical-release-in-july/):

AWESOME!!!:clap:

spadanko

02-23-2009, 11:46 AM

MisterSmith

02-23-2009, 12:13 PM

UGH!!! WTF was that?!?!?!

That wasn't even a good ripoff of MTV, and who the hell would do a superhero countdown?

This is by far the worst of the pre-release hype videos I have seen. :thumbdown:

booster11373

02-23-2009, 12:41 PM

UGH!!! WTF was that?!?!?!

That wasn't even a good ripoff of MTV, and who the hell would do a superhero countdown?

This is by far the worst of the pre-release hype videos I have seen. :thumbdown:

I felt the same way, it doesnt seem true to the Watchmen universe

thepaulo

02-23-2009, 02:21 PM

seeing it monday....

mikeyboy

02-23-2009, 02:33 PM

That was pretty bad.

lleeder

02-23-2009, 02:37 PM

I wish there was someone interviewed on the show to promote that.

Sinestro

02-23-2009, 05:22 PM

So which Watchperson gets killed in the movie?

IamFogHat

02-23-2009, 05:31 PM

So which Watchperson gets killed in the movie?

Well, hopefully the ones that die in the book.

Sinestro

02-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Well, hopefully the ones that die in the book.

All of them?

spadanko

02-24-2009, 05:32 AM

UGH!!! WTF was that?!?!?!

That wasn't even a good ripoff of MTV, and who the hell would do a superhero countdown?

This is by far the worst of the pre-release hype videos I have seen. :thumbdown:

yeah it was pretty horrible

KingGeno

02-24-2009, 07:25 AM

Watchmen Reviews are rollin' in.

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More here also: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40214

PD

02-25-2009, 10:47 AM

http://rss.warnerbros.com/watchmen/USAW090301cover.jpg

TheMojoPin

02-25-2009, 11:02 AM

Each of the main characters gets their own cover on this week's EW, too.

spadanko

02-25-2009, 03:52 PM

Just found out that our department head is taking the entire group opening day at 12:30pm. So psyched. They did the same for Dark Knight. awesome-o power

booster11373

02-25-2009, 04:14 PM

Why do you think they altered the ending?

TooLowBrow

02-25-2009, 04:42 PM

Why do you think they altered the ending?

Here's the deal: A recent test screening of the Watchmen film in Portland, Oregon, has brought to light the possibility that Alan Moore's apocalyptic ending to his comic series -- which has since been used for everything from describing 9/11 to giving Heroes its recyclable endgame -- has been changed, according to /Film.

Fanboys and literary critics alike will probably blanch, given the finale's inextricable relation to Moore's Gordian knot of a narrative, but Warner Bros. might have changed the nature of the book's apocalypse and its origin. That's as far as Underwire can go without spoiling the gory climax, but suffice it to say that Zack Snyder's foray into comic fandom might have forsaken the forest for the trees.

/Film cautions, and so will we, that this information is far from vetted. But Kevin Smith, after seeing an unfinished cut of the film, said something similar to Collider.

"It's a little different," Smith said of the movie's ending. "While it is a slight departure, it actually makes sense in the context of the story because it brings the characters back into it.... I love the ending of the Watchmen comic book, but I think this ending works just as well."

booster11373

02-25-2009, 06:15 PM

Here's the deal: A recent test screening of the Watchmen film in Portland, Oregon, has brought to light the possibility that Alan Moore's apocalyptic ending to his comic series -- which has since been used for everything from describing 9/11 to giving Heroes its recyclable endgame -- has been changed, according to /Film.

Fanboys and literary critics alike will probably blanch, given the finale's inextricable relation to Moore's Gordian knot of a narrative, but Warner Bros. might have changed the nature of the book's apocalypse and its origin. That's as far as Underwire can go without spoiling the gory climax, but suffice it to say that Zack Snyder's foray into comic fandom might have forsaken the forest for the trees.

/Film cautions, and so will we, that this information is far from vetted. But Kevin Smith, after seeing an unfinished cut of the film, said something similar to Collider.

"It's a little different," Smith said of the movie's ending. "While it is a slight departure, it actually makes sense in the context of the story because it brings the characters back into it.... I love the ending of the Watchmen comic book, but I think this ending works just as well."

Thats fine but Im just asking why people think they changed the ending after all the stuff that happens in the book is a giant alian squid too far of a reach?

TheMojoPin

02-25-2009, 06:51 PM

Thats fine but Im just asking why people think they changed the ending after all the stuff that happens in the book is a giant alian squid too far of a reach?

While I'm not happy with the change for now, I can see why they did it. To include the book's climax would require a bunch of little subplots that seemingly go nowhere until the sudden appearance of the "alien." In short, the way the build up is structured in the book just doesn't work in the compact structure of a film. Now, that's very easily an argument that the book itself is unfilmable, though I'm actually willing to give the new climax a shot. As it's been explained to me, I think it could actually work very well.

brettmojo

02-27-2009, 06:36 PM

Gvac

02-28-2009, 05:02 AM

Gizmodo.com (http://i.gizmodo.com/5161622/watchmen-featurettes-show-dr-manhattans-tron-suit-new-scenes) had a couple of "behind the scenes" links on their site yesterday.

boobieman

02-28-2009, 07:35 PM

Just spent the whole day reading the watchmen comic book. My wife bought me the hardcover collection. Have to say, one of the best written comics I have ever read. I am so looking forward to the movie. I don't think the movie will hold up, but it will just be cool to see the live action to the comic.

Just reading the comic and I realize the amount of influence the comic has on the current writers of today. Since I read so many comics before reading Watchmen I can see a influence, I can see Kingdom Come, and The Punisher Max series, the Garth Ennis, especially the Valley forge story.(Issue 55-60)

Alan Moore may be a nutso ass..but he can write a good comic.

SEYEYEYYAAYAYAYAYYAYAYA

grlNIN

02-28-2009, 07:54 PM

Bought our tickets for the 12:01am showing on Thursday night/Friday morning.

My friend who live sin the city is going at midnight and then going straight to IMAX after to see it again.

fezident

02-28-2009, 08:23 PM

I'm avoiding all previews, trailers, reviews, articles, and threads aboot this movie and it's killing me. Opening show, opening day.

I'm not here.

KingGeno

03-02-2009, 06:57 AM

I'm so excited to see this. And I will be even more excited to see the full cut movie later on.

thepaulo

03-02-2009, 04:01 PM

I saw it.
lots of Dr. Manhattan's weiner.

MisterSmith

03-02-2009, 04:43 PM

While I'm not happy with the change for now, I can see why they did it. To include the book's climax would require a bunch of little subplots that seemingly go nowhere until the sudden appearance of the "alien." In short, the way the build up is structured in the book just doesn't work in the compact structure of a film. Now, that's very easily an argument that the book itself is unfilmable, though I'm actually willing to give the new climax a shot. As it's been explained to me, I think it could actually work very well.

I don't know what the new ending is, but your supposition makes sense. In fact, I expect a lot of "little things" will be different because the structure of the film is so much different from that of the comic. EX: literally calling the super hero group "The Watchmen" in the film when in the comic it was used as a generalized term for masked vigilantes. They aren't going to be able to go as deeply into the background of the characters and how the public views them, so a few corners would naturally have to be cut.

IamFogHat

03-02-2009, 04:56 PM

I don't know what the new ending is, but your supposition makes sense. In fact, I expect a lot of "little things" will be different because the structure of the film is so much different from that of the comic. EX: literally calling the super hero group "The Watchmen" in the film when in the comic it was used as a generalized term for masked vigilantes. They aren't going to be able to go as deeply into the background of the characters and how the public views them, so a few corners would naturally have to be cut.

I've been spoiler free, but if the nuts and bolts of the ending are different then I will be pissed. I don't really give a shit about the nitty gritty details, it's a fucking film, an interpretation, it's a different animal. I'll still be able to read and love the comic even if the movie ending does its own thing.

thepaulo

03-03-2009, 12:18 PM

It's a much better movie than Sin City....but it has that kind of feel.

Melrapuo

03-03-2009, 01:59 PM

I saw it.
lots of Dr. Manhattan's weiner.

Fez is gonna LOVE IT.

TheMojoPin

03-05-2009, 08:37 AM

Can't wait for the saturday morning cartoon! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/485797)

KingGeno

03-05-2009, 03:50 PM

Tenbatsuzen

03-05-2009, 03:55 PM

Jon can give you cancer and turn into a car. Awesome.

The only thing that made me loff harder was the three Doc's getting read a bedtime story.

booster11373

03-05-2009, 04:13 PM

It almost seems like something from an alternate universe

drusilla

03-05-2009, 05:02 PM

i have been invited to a midnight showing. i can't wait to see what all the fuss is about.

badorties

03-05-2009, 08:09 PM

just came back from a screening, and boy:

the acting sucked
the directing sucked
the casting sucked
the parsed storyline sucked
the music sucked
the slo-mo action sequences sucked
the pacing sucked
the over-sexualization sucked
the excessive violence sucked

nothing worked

the watchmen was just a shitty, sucky kind of ilmfilm

total disappointment on every level

drusilla

03-05-2009, 11:18 PM

since i never read the graphic novel all i can report back is that there was way too much dangling penis. that & malin akerman is a terrible actress.

rorschach might be my favorite character ever.

grlNIN

03-05-2009, 11:51 PM

I thought they used the music really well & i could have done without the drawn out sex scene for no reason but to be overly graphic.

Comedian laying down the hand on Silk Spectre was ridiculous.

The dangling penis is whatever, it's almost a 3 hour movie and unless you're 5 there's no reason to really give it THAT much attention.

I have a new crush on Nite Owl II.

drusilla

03-06-2009, 06:16 AM

I thought they used the music really well

leonard cohen!!!

& i could have done without the drawn out sex scene for no reason but to be overly graphic.

a lot of the fanboys were complaining about that as we were walking out of the theater.

Comedian laying down the hand on Silk Spectre was ridiculous.

i have new found respect for jeffrey dean morgan. the only other thing i've ever seen him in is playing a stupid dead guy on grey's anatomy & helping run that stupid show into the ground. he definitely needs to branch out more often like this

grlNIN

03-06-2009, 07:25 AM

Both the sex scene and the "rape" scene weren't as drawn out like that in the GN, they definitely played those two aspects ups-for affect? Eh.

I also wanted to ask if anyone else noticed that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" was playing via elevator music during Ozymandias' speech before the assassination attempt.

Also at the very end i noticed the Prius looking car and i wonder if that was a nod to Ozymandias' whole electric cars running on hydrants and water thing, only because that car looked seriously out of place for the mid/late eighties. Like the Ride of the Valkyries during the 'Nam scene was to the back story of Hollis.

My boyfriend noticed that in that same scene the Pioneer Publishing company's symbol looked like Rorschach's signature.

joeyballsack

03-06-2009, 07:47 AM

Who was with Lee Iaccoca in the attempted assassination scene ?

I enjoyed the movie. I went with my girlfriend who has never read the book and she enjoyed the movie. I didn't think she would make it through the whole thing without falling asleep but she did so that tells me that a broader audience than comic book geeks will be able to watch this without scratching their heads wondering what they just watched.

It wasn't 100 % with the comic book, but what film adaptation is ?

Doctor Manhattan

03-06-2009, 07:48 AM

just came back from a screening, and boy:

the acting sucked
the directing sucked
the casting sucked
the parsed storyline sucked
the music sucked
the slo-mo action sequences sucked
the pacing sucked
the over-sexualization sucked
the excessive violence sucked

I noticed you didn't mention the blue cock. So that was okay?

grlNIN

03-06-2009, 08:19 AM

I think they just threw stuff in to give a nod to the the bgger picture they were reframing, like bubastis and the Knot Top gang fighting Dan and Laurie (and leaving out the Hollis Mason arch with them).

I think they did really well, it's a Zack Snyder movie you have to expect the freeze frame action sequences, style, graphicness and all. (btw his son was the second bully in Rorschach's flashback)

I want to go see it in IMAX now too.

badorties

03-06-2009, 10:34 AM

Both the sex scene and the "rape" scene weren't as drawn out like that in the GN, they definitely played those two aspects ups-for affect? Eh.

I also wanted to ask if anyone else noticed that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" was playing via elevator music during Ozymandias' speech before the assassination attempt.

Also at the very end i noticed the Prius looking car and i wonder if that was a nod to Ozymandias' whole electric cars running on hydrants and water thing, only because that car looked seriously out of place for the mid/late eighties. Like the Ride of the Valkyries during the 'Nam scene was to the back story of Hollis.

My boyfriend noticed that in that same scene the Pioneer Publishing company's symbol looked like Rorschach's signature.

i noticed the song and it really took me out ... in this otherworld, where nixon reign forever, and the world is on the perpetual brink of doom -- tears for fears still had hits

hammersavage

03-06-2009, 10:36 AM

Tears for Fears would own anytime in music history.

badorties

03-06-2009, 10:41 AM

I noticed you didn't mention the blue cock. So that was okay?

didn't want to spoil anything ...

Melrapuo

03-06-2009, 12:19 PM

I also wanted to ask if anyone else noticed that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" was playing via elevator music during Ozymandias' speech before the assassination attempt.

Yea I kinda started laughing at that one. It was weird to watch that scene and not at least chuckle at the thought of that song playing in the background.

grlNIN

03-06-2009, 12:30 PM

Well i just thought it was funny considering i knew the storyline so it was a nice little slip in, otherwise if anyone else was paying really close and attention and didn't know the storyline could have maybe put 2 and 2 together.

spadanko

03-06-2009, 12:51 PM

I think they just threw stuff in to give a nod to the the bgger picture they were reframing, like bubastis and the Knot Top gang fighting Dan and Laurie (and leaving out the Hollis Mason arch with them).

I think they did really well, it's a Zack Snyder movie you have to expect the freeze frame action sequences, style, graphicness and all. (btw his son was the second bully in Rorschach's flashback)

I want to go see it in IMAX now too.

oh hit that's right!!

I thought it was very well done. I can see how people who didn't rad it could get bored with teh Mars stuff, and manhattan in general.some stuff doesn't translate to the big screen. But overall enjoyed it very much and can't wait to see in IMax

hammersavage

03-06-2009, 03:08 PM

I don't know how it will appeal to those not familiar with the work but I liked it a lot. I thought the music was great, more towards the beginning, it began to wear towards the end.

Malin Ackerman is terrible but Rorschach made up for it, he was fantastic.

I appreciate that Snyder didn't overdue the special effects. It wasn't 100% an effect like 300 was, a lot of scenes just played naturally. Coulda been overdone.

An oddly, I didn't think there was enough blue penis. Different strokes...

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 03:15 PM

Shit. I thought Silk Spectre II was one of the better more detailed characters in the graphic novel. Too bad to hear the role isn't done justice.

hammersavage

03-06-2009, 03:18 PM

She does get the bejesus banged out of her. Fear not...

TheMojoPin

03-06-2009, 03:24 PM

I hear it's another pointlessly prolonged, awkward slo-mo sex scene like Snyder dumped on us in 300.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 03:32 PM

I hear it's another pointlessly prolonged, awkward slo-mo sex scene like Snyder dumped on us in 300.

Why don't you go watch the goddamn movie and then review it already. I'm anxious to hear what you think of it.

I meant that in a nice sincere not fuck you type of way. If I don't see watchmen tonight I'm watching Bloodsport specifically because of yesterday's clip.

TheMojoPin

03-06-2009, 03:36 PM

Why don't you go watch the goddamn movie and then review it already. I'm anxious to hear what you think of it.

I meant that in a nice sincere not fuck you type of way. If I don't see watchmen tonight I'm watching Bloodsport specifically because of yesterday's clip.

I'm going on Sunday, hopefully. I'm waiting out at least a bit of the opening hysteria.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 03:40 PM

I'm going on Sunday, hopefully. I'm waiting out at least a bit of the opening hysteria.

I'd watch it tonight with my friends, if they weren't all so busy banging their girlfriends like homos

drusilla

03-06-2009, 04:06 PM

I can see how people who didn't rad it could get bored with teh Mars stuff, and manhattan in general.some stuff doesn't translate to the big screen.

i actually thought the whole part when he was reflecting over his life was pretty fascinating. the same for the mars scenes. so for someone who didn't read it, i enjoyed all of those parts.

Dirtbag

03-06-2009, 04:36 PM

I hear it's another pointlessly prolonged, awkward slo-mo sex scene like Snyder dumped on us in 300.

The sex scene was definitely awkward, slo-mo, and unnecessary, but the movie as a whole can't even compare to 300 with the slo-mo.

spadanko

03-06-2009, 04:37 PM

i actually thought the whole part when he was reflecting over his life was pretty fascinating. the same for the mars scenes. so for someone who didn't read it, i enjoyed all of those parts.

that is good then... going over his life part was great. But the people I saw it with got very bored with him talking on Mars.

joeyballsack

03-06-2009, 04:56 PM

Since no one else has mentioned it, I just have to say I would sooo bang a 67 year old Carla Gugino.

hammersavage

03-06-2009, 04:57 PM

Since no one else has mentioned it, I just have to say I would sooo bang a 67 year old Carla Gugino.

I didn't think it needed to be said. She's awesomely hot.

drusilla

03-06-2009, 05:08 PM

i find it kind of funny that the most popular complaint is that the sex scene was too long

grlNIN

03-06-2009, 05:14 PM

It was 4-5 minutes that could have been awesome like the rest of the movie.

joeyballsack

03-06-2009, 05:20 PM

i find it kind of funny that the most popular complaint is that the sex scene was too long

As sex scenes go, it was pretty good too. The only thing making it awkward for me was the 15 year old girl who was there with her dad.

Caseyelan

03-06-2009, 05:28 PM

I thought it was silly.
The whole thing.

All I could picture was "divorcee" dads taking the ol' kiddies to a weekend movie and gettin a violent/cock filled mess.

Gmann

03-06-2009, 05:39 PM

i find it kind of funny that the most popular complaint is that the sex scene was too long

You make it sound like the people who post here get laid.
Of COURSE theyre gonna complain.

spadanko

03-06-2009, 05:41 PM

Since no one else has mentioned it, I just have to say I would sooo bang a 67 year old Carla Gugino.

she is just stupid hot

joeyballsack

03-06-2009, 06:01 PM

Apparently someone didn't appreciate the new ending.

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CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 06:02 PM

Apparently someone didn't appreciate the new ending.

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This was funny 2 years ago. Or whenever they first did this.

badorties

03-06-2009, 06:12 PM

The sex scene was definitely awkward, slo-mo, and unnecessary, but the movie as a whole can't even compare to 300 with the slo-mo.

i thought the openning fight had way too much slo-mom, and there's was more than enough of the gmmick through out the rest of the endless ordeal

Apparently someone didn't appreciate the new ending.

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that was a perfect review, as well as non-nazi a.o. scott's ... very funny clip

MagillaGorillaz

03-06-2009, 07:30 PM

There has got to be more little people in Hollywood than Verne Troyer and that little guy from Seinfeld.

Dirtbag

03-06-2009, 09:27 PM

i thought the openning fight had way too much slo-mom, and there's was more than enough of the gmmick through out the rest of the endless ordeal.I said it couldn't compare to 300. I didn't say there wasn't more than there needed to be.

Gmann

03-07-2009, 05:51 AM

There has got to be more little people in Hollywood than Verne Troyer and that little guy from Seinfeld.

True but none with the acting chops of those 2. They're the Newman and Redford of midgets.

DH 215

03-07-2009, 06:28 AM

The guy from Willow is the Daniel Day-Lewis of midgets because he works once every five or six years.

Gvac

03-07-2009, 08:08 AM

Is it really 2 hours and 45 minutes long? :surrender:

I don't think I could sit that long for anything.

grlNIN

03-07-2009, 08:12 AM

It goes by really fast. It's not like Benjamin Button type of long where it is dreadful uncomfortable.

TheMojoPin

03-07-2009, 08:39 AM

Is it really 2 hours and 45 minutes long? :surrender:

I don't think I could sit that long for anything.

http://www.albany.edu/writers-inst/graphics/7samurai2.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000AUHPG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://www.mrrl.org/blogs/wordpress/readerseye/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the-godfather-posters.jpg

If you can't sit down and watch at least one of these, there's no hope for you.

Gvac

03-07-2009, 08:40 AM

If you can't sit down and watch at least one of these, there's no hope for you.

I can. On DVD. In my house.

On a comfy chair or couch. Where I can pause it. Get up, get a drink. Go outside and have a smoke.

I have an incredibly short attention span.

TheMojoPin

03-07-2009, 09:19 AM

I can. On DVD. In my house.

On a comfy chair or couch. Where I can pause it. Get up, get a drink. Go outside and have a smoke.

I have an incredibly short attention span.

Shake that monkey off your back.

RingWraith

03-07-2009, 10:08 AM

I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was a great adaptation. Clearly the movie was made for the fans of the book IMO.
But I think that most of the people who didn't read the graphic novel, will most likely hate the movie, and will not "get it". That's the feeling I got from the crowd in my theatre.

Flea_Man

03-07-2009, 10:38 AM

First off I want to say that I'm a Watchmen book fan, but not a fanboy. Fanboys are clingy, complaining dipshits who will never, ever be grateful for any concession you make. So I understand that they have to trim certain things to fit the story in.

The opening credits were awesome. That was the best part of the film. Perfect song too. I'm so glad they included the "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me" Rorshcach prison scene. Such a badass. He was fleshed out perfectly I think. Same with Dr Manhattan. Both of them were done so well. I also think that Ozymandias was great. You actually understood his point and message by the end of it, and Rorchcach's too. So I'm glad they got both points and split your opinion on the issue.

So even while they couldn't get all the morals, I think the film reflected the comic with the cinematography. Holy shit was it beautiful to look at (insert Dr Manhattan penis joke). And I thought the ending change worked very well. Sure they could have had the blood and guts and destruction, but I think the ending worked and that's what matters.

It was a faithful adaptation. It got all the characters and plot points needed to get a Watchmen movie under two and a half hours. But one thing that got to me was that the graphic novel is very morally complex, and this movie just didn't feel like it had that.

I'm rambling. I loved it and thought it was awesome. They did the best they could and it worked. Can't wait for the DVDs.

MisterSmith

03-07-2009, 11:11 AM

Shake that monkey off your back.

Sorry dude, but that isn't a monkey. He is just that hairy.

Ewww.

Gmann

03-07-2009, 11:17 AM

I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was a great adaptation. Clearly the movie was made for the fans of the book IMO.
But I think that most of the people who didn't read the graphic novel, will most likely hate the movie, and will not "get it". That's the feeling I got from the crowd in my theatre.

I felt bad in a way for the chick who went with me cause at times even I felt it was slow going. Too many flashback scenes and side stories for the novice to keep up with, but she said she really liked it.

Uncle Fezster

03-07-2009, 11:26 AM

I wish they spent less time on the dangling blue cock and more on Nixon's prosthetic nose

Friday

03-07-2009, 11:39 AM

dangling blue cock, you say?

maybe i will see this flick after all. :innocent:

brettmojo

03-07-2009, 11:50 AM

http://www.albany.edu/writers-inst/graphics/7samurai2.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000AUHPG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://www.mrrl.org/blogs/wordpress/readerseye/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the-godfather-posters.jpg

If you can't sit down and watch at least one of these, there's no hope for you.
Can't watch the Godfather.

Never heard of the first one but OUATITW is pretty great.

grlNIN

03-07-2009, 12:00 PM

How have you never heard of Seven Samurai?

That's unfortunate.

Doctor Manhattan

03-07-2009, 01:02 PM

Apparently someone didn't appreciate the new ending.

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I can't believe that I agree with Hitler.

Framing Dr. Manhattan is stupid. The other changes made to the story I was fine with:
Showing Dr. Manhattan before Rorschach goes to see him while he's 40 ft tall (which is a great was to introduce the guy!), Moving key lines around the story and giving them to other characters, Rorschach killing the child killer with the butcher knife instead of giving him a saw and setting him on fire, not opening the movie on the smiley face button on the street with the blood on it already (The opening credits were very cool, worked very well).

I was fine with all those changes. I was fine with the squid not being in the movie and the attack not just being in NYC, but why frame Dr. Manhattan? The point was to unite to the world against an alien invasion, why blame Manhattan? And don't forget: Dr Manhattan is an American, which they left in the movie: "Superman exists and he's American!" Will the world unite because an American attacked all these cities? Dr. Manhattan was the US' major weapon in the Vietnam war, now that same weapon has been used to attach multiple cities around the world including ones in the US. Thanks Ozzy! The point was to unite the world against an unknown outside force.

And now Dr. Manhattan leaving earth to another Galaxy looks like he's running away because of the attack.

I think Zach understands the watchmen, the whole movie up to that ending seems to prove that to me. I loved the movie but cannot stand the ending and I thought there was too much Nixon shown.

Small nitpick, in the scene where they discuss the outcome of the attack and what they need to do now, you can see the Dr. Manhattan Blue LED suit in the reflection in Night Owl's goggles. Multiple times. It very easy to see, I am surprised they missed it.

furie

03-07-2009, 02:18 PM

CofyCrakCocaine

03-07-2009, 02:55 PM

I declare anyone who uses Youtube clips in this thread past page 15 are complete, intolerable, humor-killing cancers of humanity and should be quickly and promptly set aflame so as to rid us of their olfactory putresence.

In other words, get a new schtick you unfunny hacks.

p.s. So did you guys like the movie? Is this movie as awesome as Final Fantasy was?

Doctor Manhattan

03-07-2009, 03:04 PM

I declare anyone who uses Youtube clips in this thread past page 15 are complete, intolerable, humor-killing cancers of humanity and should be quickly and promptly set aflame so as to rid us of their olfactory putresence.

This only applies to those who did not quote someone else's use of a youtube clip.http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m41/soppdrake/smile.gif

Tenbatsuzen

03-07-2009, 03:17 PM

Fanboys are clingy, complaining dipshits

Oh... the irony.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-07-2009, 03:34 PM

This only applies to those who did not quote someone else's use of a youtube clip.http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m41/soppdrake/smile.gif

Sustained.

HBox

03-07-2009, 06:30 PM

This movie was god-awful.

pittphantoms

03-07-2009, 06:31 PM

I wanted to see something "new" so I did everything I could to avoid press about this movie - I avoided this thread - and I have never read the graphic novels... so I am as fresh as I could be to this movie with no expectations for the story or anything...

First, let me say the use of Dylan was awesome... throwing Desolation Row in at the end was really cool...

I LOVED the Rorschach character... he was the reason to watch this film.

BUT

The rest of the movie was JUMBLED AS HELL, very hard to understand, and very poorly edited. The back story was too much. The movie was too slow. The pacing was awful - awful - awful - and I love slower movies... I never knew why I should care about any of the main characters and in fact found myself rooting for Dr. Manhattan to be destroyed from the beginning.

I didn't think the nudity was over-the-top (the thong actually was more disturbing) and Malin didn't bother me at all, though I just read through this board and it apparently annoyed everyone else...

It was also said in this thread that the big problem with the ending was the fact that Dr. Manhattan was an AMERICAN. That was the first thing I thought of... this wouldn't have been an Earth unifying event - it would have caused an assault on the USA. Also, how do they not kill the bad guy at the end? Shouldn't he have to pay SOMEHOW?

I really left very disappointed...

Another shocker was how empty the theater was on a Saturday night for this movie... It was maybe 30 people in my theater... and 20ish by the end from people walking out. I had five separate walk-outs in this movie and only one was from a parent with a young child.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-07-2009, 06:32 PM

This movie was god-awful.

explain plz

HBox

03-07-2009, 06:45 PM

explain plz

It dragged on way too long mostly due to an obscene use of slo-mo. Was it really fucking necessary to use slo-mo as SWAT is preparing to kick the door down before going after Rorschach? The sex scene in Archie was a fucking farce. They toned down the violence of some of the most violent scenes in the comic (Rorschach and the child murderer) and amped it up in other scenes for no reason (Dan and Laurie's fight in the alley). It was hard to take seriously the fact that Dan and Laurie are just regular humans with the way they so effortlessly fought their way through dozens of enemies. Much of Laurie's inner conflict was non-existent. Her hate of her mother and costumed fighting in general was glossed over.

It was mostly the slo-mo. It fucked with the pacing very badly. It was going to be tough pick and choose pieces from 12 different issues and piece them together into a flowing narrative but to use slo-mo anytime anyone was doing something that looked even remotely cool made it completely unbearable. By the two-hour mark I couldn't wait for it to be over.

I didn't even have a problem with the ending. I think it makes more sense than aliens to be honest.

llc

03-07-2009, 06:45 PM

Here is my opinion.
What a terrible, terrible movie. Using your source material as storyboards and doing nothing additional to bring a graphic novel to film really isn't "adaptation." So the movie looks like the graphic novel-fine. I can just read the damn book again so this movie has no reason to exist. If you haven't read the book I'm pretty sure (based on the people I went to the movie with saying this) you'll think "why does everyone think Watchmen was so great." I'll be SHOCKED if Ron thinks this is actually a good movie.

The Dark Knight isn't the best "comic" movie ever but let me say this. Christopher Nolan had a reason to make his movies and brought something unique. All I can think is that Zack Snyder loved the graphic novel but had no views or theories on it that he wanted to bring to the his version.

And the girl in it is one of the worst actresses I've ever seen.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-07-2009, 06:49 PM

Jeezus, this movie sounds cheery as Ikiru

ToiletCrusher

03-07-2009, 07:32 PM

Never having read the graphic novel, I found the story to be engaging. There were a lot of flashbacks that really did a fine job of developing the characters. I would like to read the novel that this was taken from as well.

Also, there was a lot of unnecessary big blue dick throughout the film.

tus428

03-07-2009, 08:00 PM

I gotta say, this movie was really bad. Just like 300, you wanted it to be great but in the end it fell flat. I wish I had those 2 1/2 hours back.

TripleSkeet

03-07-2009, 09:22 PM

I havent seen the movie yet but in preparation just read the book. To be honest I was kinda puzzled as to why everyone had such a hard on for this story. It really didnt impress me that much.

But it was an interesting concept so I do want to see the film. If not for that then just to see how Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears does as Rorschach.

But from what you guys are saying about the end Im sure Ill be dissapointed with at least that part. The whole point in Ozymandias killing millions of people was to turn all countries towards outer space. To make them stop fighting each other because they think an alien invasion is coming. Now if you didnt want to use a giant squid to accomplish that, fine. Personally I thought that was pretty fucking dumb to begin with. But at least creat some giant spaceship looking thing. Or something else that would give an alien look to it. Blaming it on a guy that was basically an American weapon would do nothing except have the whole world turn on America.

The Dark Knight isn't the best "comic" movie ever but let me say this.

Really? What is? Because Ive seen just about every comic book movie thats come out and havent found one that comes even close. Spider-Man 2 comes in 2nd on my list.

SP1!

03-07-2009, 09:39 PM

Really? What is? Because Ive seen just about every comic book movie thats come out and havent found one that comes even close. Spider-Man 2 comes in 2nd on my list.

DK was over hyped and over rated, hell outside of ledger the movie sucked and I enjoyed Ironman better last year and anyone who puts spider man 2 anywhere in the top 5 for any movie list is just crazy.

TripleSkeet

03-07-2009, 09:44 PM

DK was over hyped and over rated, hell outside of ledger the movie sucked and I enjoyed Ironman better last year and anyone who puts spider man 2 anywhere in the top 5 for any movie list is just crazy.

Sorry but no. While I agree the movie was definitely overhyped it did not fucking suck. Like I said, its my opinion but as far as comic book movies go, Dark Knight is number 1 alltime right now. Followed by Spider-Man 2 and Iron Man.

If Im wrong, feel free to provide your own list. Id love to hear them.

Servo

03-07-2009, 09:53 PM

I thought it was fantastic. I'm relatively new to the story, having read the book for the first time less than a year ago. But I think the movie nailed it pretty well.

The entire film was shot beautifully. I had no problem with the slo-mo effects at all.

The performances were really strong. Jackie Earl Haley was awesome. I thought the whole cast did really well. Even Malin Ackerman wasn't as bad as she's being made out to be. I think people just want to shit on her because she's not known for her acting skills. I mean, she's not Meryl Streep or anything, but there really was nothing wrong with her performance at all.

My chick, who had never read the book, nor really has any desire to, enjoyed it too.

Blaming it on a guy that was basically an American weapon would do nothing except have the whole world turn on America.

It was also said in this thread that the big problem with the ending was the fact that Dr. Manhattan was an AMERICAN. That was the first thing I thought of... this wouldn't have been an Earth unifying event - it would have caused an assault on the USA.

Except American cities were "attacked" too, the implication being that Doc Manhattan turned on humanity as a whole, and therefore the entire world had to unite to face the threat. I thought it was completely plausible.

Great movie. I'd like to go catch it in an IMAX theater.

TripleSkeet

03-07-2009, 11:00 PM

Except American cities were "attacked" too, the implication being that Doc Manhattan turned on humanity as a whole, and therefore the entire world had to unite to face the threat. I thought it was completely plausible.

I understand what youre saying, I just think it would creat more of a "conspiracy theory" type response then a unified one. Not like America hasnt been accused of attacking its own citizens before.

Contra

03-08-2009, 06:25 AM

Saw it, loved it, want to see it IMAX!

DH 215

03-08-2009, 07:02 AM

I liked it but it felt like the pacing was off somewhat. It did shock me to see the amount of small children in the theater when I saw it at 7:30 PM.

My only real complaint was some of the music choices. Does anybody really listen to Leonard Cohen while having sex?

razorboy

03-08-2009, 08:11 AM

Does anybody really listen to Leonard Cohen while having sex?

Yes.

drusilla

03-08-2009, 08:36 AM

who doesn't?

SP1!

03-08-2009, 09:37 AM

How have you never heard of Seven Samurai?

That's unfortunate.
Its not uncommon for people, I have made it a point to record films on AMC and Turner Classic Movies to get the GF to watch classics.

Sorry but no. While I agree the movie was definitely overhyped it did not fucking suck. Like I said, its my opinion but as far as comic book movies go, Dark Knight is number 1 alltime right now. Followed by Spider-Man 2 and Iron Man.

If Im wrong, feel free to provide your own list. Id love to hear them.
In no real order:
X-Men
Superman-original of course
Iron Man
Hellboy
The Crow-would most likely be number 1 of my comic book films
Constantine
Blade-probably the best action in my comic film tastes

Thats not saying that the dark knight wouldnt be in the top 10 of my list, those are just comic book hero movies that I enjoyed a little more than the dark knight and all of those films were way better than any of the spiderman films, again I thought ledger did a good job but the rest of DK fell flat for me. Hell I love gary oldman and thought he was wasted in this film and dont even get me started on spiderman, its the blow em up comic book film that has horrible acting and seems to try and make up for it with action. Oh, heres a guy in a red suit shooting webs and flying!!!!! Please ignore our razor thin plot.

The others had a more cohesive plot and told a better story over all, I blame this on movies in general though since most are going for the quick buck.

Now I have to go, trying to catch an early showing of watchmen, judging by the response Im pretty sure I will like it and the GF will hate it.

DukeFett

03-08-2009, 09:50 AM

This movie was fucking great, I don't know what most of you people are talking about. I love the book, so it's not like I had no backstory, but I saw it with 3 people who hadn't read it and they fully understood it. The ending was different but in the end it made sense. Dr. Manhattan is as alien to the people on the planet as an alien anyway. The slow mo? Seriously, it was in a couple of fight scenes here and there, get over it.
I was really shocked at how well it came off.

TheMojoPin

03-08-2009, 09:57 AM

In no real order:
X-Men
Superman-original of course
Iron Man
Hellboy
The Crow-would most likely be number 1 of my comic book films
Constantine
Blade-probably the best action in my comic film tastes

I'd pick X-Men 2 over the first one. The first one is great through all the introductions, then it becomes REALLY underwhelming with a really silly and dospoabe plot, even by comic book standards. The second one doesn't have to worry about intros and just goes out full tilt, and I find it much more enjoyable and an all-around better film for those reasons.

That's actually why I like others in this thread love the second Spider-Man film so much. I think the first one is pretty "meh" and the third is laughably bad, but man, I really like the second one. To me, that's the only one of these superhero flicks that's come the closest to directly translating what it was for me as a kid reading those old Stan Lee and John Romita Amazing Spider-Man issues. It's corney, but I feel it's the only one of these comic flicks to actually get right the joy of being a kid and reading a comic.

Constantine is actually alright in its own right, but compared to the source material it's based on it's a really bad joke. I don't even consider it really a film adaptation of the Hellblazer series. Hell, they can't even get his name right. It's pronounced like "John Constan-THYNE," not "Constan-TEEN." Plus he's British, it's not an action comic, yadda-yadda-yadda...

fezident

03-08-2009, 10:56 AM

This film's ultra ultra stylized look will probably be it's undoing.
It's a solid piece of film making but, it's completely drowning in slow motion, pans, zooms, and close-ups.

People are actually yawning during the fight sequences! That's a backfire if there ever was one.
I like small quiet movies and I like huge hollywood spectacles. This movie rides the line and I suspect it will get mixed results from the fans and casual fans.
Zack definitely used a few too many tricks in this thing.

I enjoyed it. And I look forward to the longer DVD cut. Actually... Patrick Wilson just said in a televised interview that TWO extended cuts are being produced.

Death Metal Moe

03-08-2009, 11:02 AM

I'm a little concerned about how they changed the ending.

I read the graphic novel and found it to be great but not up to the YEARS of Fanboy love I've heard about it. But to be fair, almost nothing lives up to the hype.

I'm going to go see this move, my 1st movie in like 2 or 3 years, and hope that it's worth it. I'll probably check it out mid-week.

From what I've read, the end plot has been changed from the squid alien thing to somehow framing Dr. Manhattan, there by solidifying the world against a common threat. That sounds lame, but I'll give it a shot.

Gmann

03-08-2009, 11:43 AM

How come no one shows Superman 2 any love ??

COME ON PEOPLE....TERRANCE STAMP as Zod!!!!

TripleSkeet

03-08-2009, 11:49 AM

In no real order:
X-Men
Superman-original of course
Iron Man
Hellboy
The Crow-would most likely be number 1 of my comic book films
Constantine
Blade-probably the best action in my comic film tastes

Thats not saying that the dark knight wouldnt be in the top 10 of my list, those are just comic book hero movies that I enjoyed a little more than the dark knight and all of those films were way better than any of the spiderman films, again I thought ledger did a good job but the rest of DK fell flat for me. Hell I love gary oldman and thought he was wasted in this film and dont even get me started on spiderman, its the blow em up comic book film that has horrible acting and seems to try and make up for it with action. Oh, heres a guy in a red suit shooting webs and flying!!!!! Please ignore our razor thin plot.

The others had a more cohesive plot and told a better story over all, I blame this on movies in general though since most are going for the quick buck.

Now I have to go, trying to catch an early showing of watchmen, judging by the response Im pretty sure I will like it and the GF will hate it.

I understand what your saying, I just think I see it a little differently is all. When looking at my list I notice I like alot of the sequels more then the original films. Kind of like MojoPin stated, I guess once the origin is out of the way I like when they just go full tilt. I think thats why I liked Spider-Man 2, but feel your explanation was on the money when talking about the 1st and 3rd films.

Some of my favorites...

Dark Knight
Spider-Man 2
Iron Man
X2
Superman 2
Blade
Batman Begins
Sin City

I also like Constantine, but felt it was really watered down.
And I know its not popular but I liked Thomas Janes Punisher.

booster11373

03-08-2009, 11:52 AM

New ending stinks and is totally retarded

why would he do it?

Dirtbag

03-08-2009, 12:36 PM

Dr. Manhattan is as alien to the people on the planet as an alien anyway. That's the one thing I'm not sure of. Dan, Laurie, Veidt, etc. all know that, and the audience knows, but does the world at large really know what Dr. Manhattan's feelings towards humanity have become? Or are they all thinking the Great American God has gone off his rocker?

SP1!

03-08-2009, 12:45 PM

How come no one shows Superman 2 any love ??

COME ON PEOPLE....TERRANCE STAMP as Zod!!!!
Kneel before ZOD!!!! Loved it but the acting was atrocious.

I understand what your saying, I just think I see it a little differently is all. When looking at my list I notice I like alot of the sequels more then the original films. Kind of like MojoPin stated, I guess once the origin is out of the way I like when they just go full tilt. I think thats why I liked Spider-Man 2, but feel your explanation was on the money when talking about the 1st and 3rd films.

Some of my favorites...

Dark Knight
Spider-Man 2
Iron Man
X2
Superman 2
Blade
Batman Begins
Sin City

I also like Constantine, but felt it was really watered down.
And I know its not popular but I liked Thomas Janes Punisher.
Yeah I can agree with constantine and I liked punisher as well, its a shame thomas jane is too arrogant to let the people do their job.

I just didnt like the spiderman films much and thought for all the hype DK was a little of a let down, the show I was going to was sold out so Im hoping to catch it later tonight.

Death Metal Moe

03-08-2009, 01:14 PM

That's the one thing I'm not sure of. Dan, Laurie, Veidt, etc. all know that, and the audience knows, but does the world at large really know what Dr. Manhattan's feelings towards humanity have become? Or are they all thinking the Great American God has gone off his rocker?

That's very true. At least in the book, Dr. Manhattan is the savior of America. He won Veitnam for us in a week and although the world isn't very safe it seems us having the good Dr. is one of the main things keeping the Communists in check because they know our response will include him.

Also, I'm sure the propaganda machine of the Nixon administration has been keeping up Dr. Manhattan's near God-like reputation for decades now as well.

Another thing to consider is all the advances in technology that were a direct result of him. The electric hyrants that power everyone's electric cars comes to mind, which means our dependence on foreigh oil has been stopped, that's a pretty big deal.

Lastly, since Dr. Manhattan is so recognized as an American weapon, wouldn't attacks on other countries be seen more as an American attack rather than an attack by him? At least at 1st, until the other countries realize we got hit by him too? That might leave a window of time where Russia would want to press the button, not knowing America was a target of these attacks as well.

This may be a very large plot hole.

fezident

03-08-2009, 01:25 PM

You lost me with your last paragraph.
Say it in a different way ... I wanna make sure I'm followin' you.

( Manhattan being seen by the powers that be as American/threat... etc)

GreatAmericanZero

03-08-2009, 01:28 PM

i guess thats why Veidt gave the people Manhattan worked with cancer...he established him as an enemy of America so he has a motive for his destruction?

i thought the movie was pretty good but with this and 300 i am starting to get the feeling that Zak Snyder is more than "a little gay"

Death Metal Moe

03-08-2009, 01:33 PM

You lost me with your last paragraph.
Say it in a different way ... I wanna make sure I'm followin' you.

( Manhattan being seen by the powers that be as American/threat... etc)

All I meant was that we used Dr Manhattan in Veitnam to win it in record time. "The superman is real, and he's American" was a line used in the book a few times.

It's my opinion that during the fog or war, so to speak, the time right after the attacks on various cities around the world by something you would instantly recognize as Dr. Manhattan, you would probably think that was an American attack. At least before you realized that this so called attack was carried out on American targets as well. Before word reached around the world, you'd probably think "America's most awesome, awful weapon was just used on us, America has attacked us."

Like that post stated that I originally quoted, no one but those close to the Dr. knew he was losing his humanity and becoming disconnected, so no one would have thought to consider that, especially our enemies.

Death Metal Moe

03-08-2009, 01:37 PM

Also, I'm basing my statements on what I heard of the movie plot, I haven't seen it. If I'm missing something, I apologize. Maybe things will become clearer when I see it.

drusilla

03-08-2009, 01:46 PM

get his name right. It's pronounced like "John Constan-THYNE," not "Constan-TEEN." Plus he's British, it's not an action comic, yadda-yadda-yadda...

is he also a gay puerto rican?

TripleSkeet

03-08-2009, 01:46 PM

How come no one shows Superman 2 any love ??

COME ON PEOPLE....TERRANCE STAMP as Zod!!!!

Superman 2 is my favorite Superman movie and hes one of the main reasons.

Its 10 times better then the original and I have no idea why so many people fail to realize this.

Gvac

03-08-2009, 02:52 PM

My biggest disappointment based on the trailers I've seen is that it's pronounced "Vite."

All these years I was reading it as "Veet."

razorboy

03-08-2009, 03:43 PM

I saw it this afternoon. It was pretty clunky but I still enjoyed myself. My main problem was I kept saying to myself, that isn't Nite Owl, that's Pat my old summer camp counselor. It kind of took me out of it.

Foster

03-08-2009, 04:13 PM

just saw it, I enjoyed it, can't say for certain if someone who hasn't read the comic books would though.

also, there were a lot of young kids at this movie, with their parents, this is not a movie to take your kids to, way too much blue cock.

GreatAmericanZero

03-08-2009, 04:29 PM

just saw it, I enjoyed it, can't say for certain if someone who hasn't read the comic books would though.

also, there were a lot of young kids at this movie, with their parents, this is not a movie to take your kids to, way too much blue cock.

This link is some conservative group that has filed a complaint to the MPAA over the blue dick

http://www.movieguide.org/articles/1/243

but if you think about it, its not like its a real human dick...its essentially a cartoon cock. They let kids into art museums and stuff, right?

Foster

03-08-2009, 04:31 PM

This link is some conservative group that has filed a complaint to the MPAA over the blue dick

http://www.movieguide.org/articles/1/243

but if you think about it, its not like its a real human dick...its essentially a cartoon cock. They let kids into art museums and stuff, right?

and those dicks are usually hard too

GreatAmericanZero

03-08-2009, 04:34 PM

and those dicks are usually hard too

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/2467058731_f921366acc.jpg

hope i dont get in trouble from the admins for not writing NSFW

and David isn't as endowed as Dr. Manhattan though

grlNIN

03-08-2009, 04:43 PM

Don't let Chunk near that thing.

hammersavage

03-08-2009, 04:56 PM

Don't let Chunk near that thing.

If it was left to you, we'd all be pissing in our faces.

grlNIN

03-08-2009, 05:36 PM

It would only be for the benefit of females worldwide.

SP1!

03-08-2009, 07:05 PM

i thought the movie was pretty good but with this and 300 i am starting to get the feeling that Zak Snyder is more than "a little gay"
Only a little gay? No slightly straight man could have made 300 which is basically porn for gay men or straight women.

Superman 2 is my favorite Superman movie and hes one of the main reasons.

Its 10 times better then the original and I have no idea why so many people fail to realize this.

Loved the film but the acting outside of zod was fucking horrible, mainly because hackman and beatty were wasted in that film and reeves was already acting like his legs were stiff. "I promise you I wont leave you again" Bleh.

booster11373

03-08-2009, 07:27 PM

Watchmen has 2 Seinfeld alumni, who are they?

The first one is obvious but the second might not be

drusilla

03-08-2009, 08:00 PM

the little dude (mickey) & the original nite owl (he played a dr)

booster11373

03-08-2009, 08:09 PM

the little dude (mickey) & the original nite owl (he played a dr)

:clap:

TripleSkeet

03-08-2009, 10:41 PM

Only a little gay? No slightly straight man could have made 300 which is basically porn for gay men or straight women.

Loved the film but the acting outside of zod was fucking horrible, mainly because hackman and beatty were wasted in that film and reeves was already acting like his legs were stiff. "I promise you I wont leave you again" Bleh.

I thought Reevse performance was about identical to his role in the 1st one. While I agree Hackman and Beatty were underutilized in the 2nd one I think that also may be why I enjoyed it better.

Not because of the actors, but because of the roles. I always felt Lex Luthor as the main villain in a Superman movie was stupid. That criminal mastermind bullshit might work in the comic books but when you have a character with the powers a Superman has, you have to have him fighting someone that can physically go toe to toe with him

Thats why Superman Returns fucking blew. Stop fighting a smart human. Fucking fight Zod, Brainiac, Bizarro, Darkseid or Doomsday. I want to see something punch you and make you feel it without Kryptonite.

GreatAmericanZero

03-09-2009, 04:03 AM

Only a little gay? No slightly straight man could have made 300 which is basically porn for gay men or straight women.

i wrote "more than "a little gay"' and then you start your respond "Only a little gay?"

way to read a full sentence

angrymissy

03-09-2009, 08:01 AM

This link is some conservative group that has filed a complaint to the MPAA over the blue dick

http://www.movieguide.org/articles/1/243

but if you think about it, its not like its a real human dick...its essentially a cartoon cock. They let kids into art museums and stuff, right?

It's rated R anyway. Plus there are boobs too.

Flea_Man

03-09-2009, 08:51 AM

Spiderman 2 was garbage. Aside from the train fight, Doc Ock was a total pussy and his delivery of "and now she's dead" totally took me out. Spiderman 3 was even worse.

X-Men 1 and 2 were great. I give the nod to the second because of what Skeet said earlier about not having to introduce everyone again.

Superman 2 was the best definitely and Superman Returns was awful. She had no idea it was Superman's kid but he threw a fucking piano? Terrible.

Dark Knight, Iron Man, Sin City, Blade, and Punisher: Warzone ruled. Those were fantastic adaptations.

CountryBob

03-09-2009, 09:15 AM

Did the blue cock add to this movie? Hell no - why did they take his panties off in some scenes? Unless, they were going for the shock factor and get everybody talking about it.

I am getting tired of all the CGI lately. Watching I am Legend last night and kept wishing they would have used real people for the vampire's. Dont get me wrong - I like CGI but now a days it seems that movies are doing too much - it takes me out of it.

CountryBob

03-09-2009, 09:16 AM

It's rated R anyway. Plus there are boobs too.

Thank God there were - after looking at the blue shlong all movie I almost yelled out "hell yeah" when the boobies made an appearance.

Flea_Man

03-09-2009, 09:24 AM

Did the blue cock add to this movie? Hell no - why did they take his panties off in some scenes? Unless, they were going for the shock factor and get everybody talking about it.

it was in the book

TheMojoPin

03-09-2009, 11:02 AM

Did the blue cock add to this movie? Hell no - why did they take his panties off in some scenes? Unless, they were going for the shock factor and get everybody talking about it.

It's not supposed to be shocking...it's part of the character's progression as he loses/rejects his humanity. Why is a guy who is basically becomin one with the universe going to give a shit about clothes? He progressively sees them as less and less necessary as a physical manifestation of his detachment from human needs/rules/wants/etc..

SP1!

03-09-2009, 11:08 AM

it was in the book

Funny in the one I read he looked like a giant blue ken doll with no genitals.

angrymissy

03-09-2009, 11:12 AM

it was in the book

no, it wasn't - or if it was it was nondescript enough to not even be noticeable.

found it - not exactly swinging blue weener. I never even noticed it in the book, and I think this is the only frame it's in:

Sort of NSFW
http://21.media.tumblr.com/VzQFm78pXk3tejajodZ6NdJAo1_500.jpg

CountryBob

03-09-2009, 11:16 AM

Speaking for most of the world that hasent read the book - WTF?
Being as true as possible to the book is very important though when transferring over to the movie. I understand that - but come on.

BTW... I really enjoyed how violent the smackdown was when the heroes fought people. I really enjoyed the alley scene - not just knocking the thugs out - they killed basically most of them. It was more real - and not cheesy like other superhero movies.

HBox

03-09-2009, 11:28 AM

Speaking for most of the world that hasent read the book - WTF?
Being as true as possible to the book is very important though when transferring over to the movie. I understand that - but come on.

BTW... I really enjoyed how violent the smackdown was when the heroes fought people. I really enjoyed the alley scene - not just knocking the thugs out - they killed basically most of them. It was more real - and not cheesy like other superhero movies.

That alley scene was in no way real. In any sense of the word. It was violence porn for no reason whatsoever other than it made it look cool.

booster11373

03-09-2009, 11:38 AM

The alley scene bugged me, what the difference between Roschach and the others if the the others kill

TheMojoPin

03-09-2009, 12:27 PM

no, it wasn't - or if it was it was nondescript enough to not even be noticeable.

found it - not exactly swinging blue weener. I never even noticed it in the book, and I think this is the only frame it's in:

Sort of NSFW
http://21.media.tumblr.com/VzQFm78pXk3tejajodZ6NdJAo1_500.jpg

Yeah, you don't see a lot of dong in the book, but he's clearly nude after a while. It's just easier to strategically hide that in single panels.

GreatAmericanZero

03-09-2009, 01:31 PM

no, it wasn't - or if it was it was nondescript enough to not even be noticeable.

found it - not exactly swinging blue weener. I never even noticed it in the book, and I think this is the only frame it's in:

Sort of NSFW
http://21.media.tumblr.com/VzQFm78pXk3tejajodZ6NdJAo1_500.jpg

they show his dick a lot in the comic, i have it right next to me (i had to re-read the ending to remember it so i can understand why everyone didn't like the new one), but yeah..he wasn't so "porn star" looking. Then again, if anyone could reassemble their particles to any shape and size you gotta give yourself an impressive piece

Death Metal Moe

03-09-2009, 01:53 PM

I didn't noticed them animating the dick in the comic that much at all. Of course I did notice he was completely naked but they didn't make a huge deal about it.

From what it sounds like, they used every opportunity they had to put blue dong on screen. Why? It doesn't make or break the thing. I like that they're not afraid to just show it if it had to be there, but if it's in as much as I'm hearing about it sounds like the shove it in your face.

Not looking forward to that when I go see it this week.

GreatAmericanZero

03-09-2009, 02:14 PM

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From what it sounds like, they used every opportunity they had to put blue dong on screen. Why? It doesn't make or break the thing. I like that they're not afraid to just show it if it had to be there, but if it's in as much as I'm hearing about it sounds like the shove it in your face.

its actually pretty subtle in the movie, its usually covered but sometimes here and there its on frame...you're just hearing a lot about it because American audiences are soooooooooo uptight about nudity

remember, Janet Jackson showed her tit for less than a second and it was headline news for months

Death Metal Moe

03-09-2009, 03:15 PM

its actually pretty subtle in the movie, its usually covered but sometimes here and there its on frame...you're just hearing a lot about it because American audiences are soooooooooo uptight about nudity

remember, Janet Jackson showed her tit for less than a second and it was headline news for months

Oh, then that's fine. That's kinda the way it was in the book.

I guess Americans are kidna uptight about it because I've heard people commenting about the blue dong more than anything else about the movie.

It's a naked blue man, of course you're gonna see his penis every now and then, and it doesn't really matter.

Foster

03-09-2009, 03:43 PM

no, it wasn't - or if it was it was nondescript enough to not even be noticeable.

found it - not exactly swinging blue weener. I never even noticed it in the book, and I think this is the only frame it's in:

Sort of NSFW
http://21.media.tumblr.com/VzQFm78pXk3tejajodZ6NdJAo1_500.jpg

when you compare the comic version and movie version of Doc M, you can tell he was more excited to be on film

GreatAmericanZero

03-09-2009, 03:48 PM

after a day of reflection, if i had to give it a letter grade i'm with Dave and Pops that its in the "B" area. Some great stuff, Some great flaws. it is what it is. I'll say 82 out of 100 score

one thing that i thought was a problem that no one mentioned yet, all the fight scenes i kept thinking "why is just one guy fighting at a time?" It seemed like all the fight scenes were just the goons standing there waiting to get beat up..there didn't seem to be any danger for these heroes which would've been a good element to have since none of them have super powers

badorties

03-09-2009, 04:01 PM

what really bugged me about the movie was: for all the detail and 1980s characters, references and settings -- it felt like a modern, cheesey action film ladled with way too much CGI, other special effects and a score not reflective of its time ... not sure a post-MTV stlye was the right choice

reading the book, i always envisioned a more of bladerunner / 12 monkeys (or even seven) feel

TripleSkeet

03-09-2009, 04:01 PM

they show his dick a lot in the comic, i have it right next to me

You got a secret there GAZ?? ;)

TheMojoPin

03-09-2009, 04:28 PM

I'm about to head out to see this tonight.

Blue cock update at 11.

HBox

03-09-2009, 04:50 PM

I'm about to head out to see this tonight.

Blue cock update at 11.

God help you.

AKA

03-10-2009, 07:06 AM

Saw it Saturday - I wasn't bothered by the acting, the slow motion, the blue cock, the 4 minute sex scenes or the ending (I actually liked the ending). Ultimately I came away satisfied, but not out of my mind excited, and I think it's because they did an almost too faithful adaptation of the book - there were few brave choices made by the director; he bent over backwards to keep things pretty close to the order of things in the book - especially with the flashbacks - and as a result there were few surprises for me.

The film looked brilliant - loved the Comedian's death - the opening credits - I even liked the extended fight scenes to establish their hero cred - and of course Rorschach I thought was wonderful - the big joy for me were his scenes in prison - and I did not miss the squid at the end - the very ending they got it right.

My biggest distraction was the bad old-lady make-up - just fucking get an older actress - the audience doesn't need the same POA in both roles - it was too distracting and dumb. The music also distracted me, but I got over that.

ALWAYS bugged me, even back in the 80s, that Oz basically gets away with it, but I appreciate and own that frustration as something I should feel, and it got me again. I found myself really thinking about this film over and over again all day Sunday, which was a clue to me that maybe I liked it more than I let on - I don't know. Might be worth a second viewing - at the very least, it had me dig out my well read graphic novel again and dive back in.

TheMojoPin

03-10-2009, 07:21 AM

I realy enjoyed about 75% and fucking HATED about 25% of it.

The main thing that bugged me was how Snyder couldn't resist the urge to make everyone "super" like he did in 300. Yeah, these people can kick some ass when they need to, but outside of Dr. Manhattan the emphasis is uspposed to be that they're basically just people in funny costumes. Letting them bust out with ninja moves and snapping necks and limbs was incredibly stupid.

I really was not impressed with the people picked to play Ozy an Silk Spectre II. The guy playing Ozy was doing everything but tenting his fingers or twirling a handlebar moustache to seem as eeeeeeeeeevilllllllllllll as possible. I don't expect his "turn" to be a big twist, but the point behind Ozy in the book is how almost fanatically logical he strives to be. Nothing he does in the book is explicitly "evil" per se as opposed to being what he felt he had to do for the "greater good." In the movie he was played too much as an obvious and somewhat unforgiveable Bond villain the whole time.

The actress playing Laurie just seemed all wrong. She would have been fine playing the character as we see her in the flashbacks in the book to her younger days, but by the "present" of most of the film/book she's supposed to be way more mature than what we saw. Her reaction to the Doc making multiple copies of himself for her is something in the book that she reacts to with betrayal and anger and disgust like an adult. In the film she reacts like a confused teenybopper, just stuttering and stammering. That set the whole stage for the rest of the film and she came across to me as a spoiled and petulant character.

A lot of the added violence was ridiculous. I cannot figure out what the point was of having Rorschach chop up the kid killer as opposed to the choice he gave him in the book. Sawing that one dude's arms off was just pointlessly gratuitous. Most of the violence added by Snyder was really pointless and juvenile, and detracted from how much of the "thoughtful nature" of the book he was able to bring to the screen.

Didn't really care about the blue cock since it's hard to avoid when the character is naked so much, though the drawn out sex scene was pretty goofy. Poor music choice (what, they couldn't afford Billie Holiday?) and the thing played like a Skinemax scene just like his ridiculous sex scene in 300.

Contra

03-10-2009, 07:53 AM

I for one am all for the return of the gratuitus sex scene in films, thanks Snyder!

As far as the stylized violence, I think it all depends where you are coming from. If you've read the graphic novel and in that they aren't super strong or skilled then I can understand the complaint of that being in the film. However, for someone like me who hasn't read the book, I enjoyed the action, and feel without it the movie would be deadfully boring. Also it was marketed as an action film, so if I didn't see any action I would have been disappointed.

TheMojoPin

03-10-2009, 07:59 AM

I for one am all for the return of the gratuitus sex scene in films, thanks Snyder!

I didn't find it "gratuitus" at all...it was just silly.

As far as the stylized violence, I think it all depends where you are coming from. If you've read the graphic novel and in that they aren't super strong or skilled then I can understand the complaint of that being in the film. However, for someone like me who hasn't read the book, I enjoyed the action, and feel without it the movie would be deadfully boring. Also it was marketed as an action film, so if I didn't see any action I would have been disappointed.

It still doesn't jive with the rest of the film. Snyder carried over the fact that these people aren't supposed to be superpowered, yet he basically gives them superpowers. So much of the film hinges on the idea of them just being "regular people" outside of Doc Manhattan (and arguably Ozy). He could have still had plenty of action without making it ridiculous and Matrix-y.

The Ogre

03-10-2009, 09:24 AM

I didn't find it "gratuitus" at all...it was just silly.

It still doesn't jive with the rest of the film. Snyder carried over the fact that these people aren't supposed to be superpowered, yet he basically gives them superpowers. So much of the film hinges on the idea of them just being "regular people" outside of Doc Mnaattan (and arguably Ozy). He could have still had plenty of action without making it ridiculous and Matrix-y.

QFT. Did the Comedian really need to punch through marble walls? Did Rorschach have to take out twelve extra cops on the ground after jumping through the window? Did Dan and Laurie have to inflict compound fractures and broken necks on 99% of the knot-tops? And finally did someone need to fly into a goddamned wall every time they were kicked or punched? Eh, I'd say no.

Contra

03-10-2009, 09:45 AM

I say yes

Dirtbag

03-10-2009, 10:04 AM

Did Dan and Laurie have to inflict compound fractures and broken necks on 99% of the knot-tops? I wasn't bothered so much by the overstylized violence there, but more of what actually happened. I got the impression from the comic that both Nite-Owls and Silk Spectres were more the Spider-Man "no killing" type heroes, or at the very least not without great necessity. The way they took out those thugs made them no better than Comedian or Rorschach.

TheMojoPin

03-10-2009, 10:07 AM

I wasn't bothered so much by the overstylized violence there, but more of what actually happened. I got the impression from the comic that both Nite-Owls and Silk Spectres were more the Spider-Man "no killing" type heroes, or at the very least not without great necessity. The way they took out those thugs made them no better than Comedian or Rorschach.

The book makes that very clear. Rorschach is the obvious exception of the non-sanctioned heroes in that he's willing to kill criminals or allow them to die. The Comedian and Doc kill because they're allowed to by the government. The rest are an extension of the classic heroes who seemed to be doing it for kicks and beat up criminals for the good press. That's why it's an added level of surprising when Ozy's plan is revealed since it involves him killing millions of people.

Obviously, the world of the book is a complicated one and I'm sure that the heroes could easily fuck up or go to far and seriously hurt or even kill people along the way, but the point is that most of them don't or didn't kill people with abandon.

AKA

03-10-2009, 11:38 AM

I say yes

Shockingly, so do I.

Death Metal Moe

03-11-2009, 10:10 PM

OK, so I went out to see this movie. 1st move I went to see in years.

It was a very good movie in my opinion. A lot of it was very faithful to the comic.

I guess I could "fanboy" critique it to death but what fun is that? Things always change from book to movie, shit happens.

The only problem I had was the extra drink I had at dinner came back to haunt me just as Ozy was about to be attacked by his own hired assassin, and I had to go drain the beast. But except for having to piss this movie was great. I didn't notice how long it actually is and that's a very good sign, at least for me. I'm usually looking at my watch hoping things will move along at most movies, this one kept me.

I give it a thumbs up.:thumbup:

SP1!

03-14-2009, 03:30 PM

Just got back, loved the film, Rorschach was great but someone had told me he didnt die

But the sex scene was very out of place, as was Cohen's hallelujah in the scene, the song was always about an ending or something of grandeur not some sex scene in an owl ship, the song editor should be fired, then beaten by Cohen.

Oh and I loved how parents cant seem to realize when a movie is rated R, we had 5 little kids(under 8) in the theater with us, I tried to talk loudly about how they wouldnt like all the violence or the rape scene but nobody paid attention, it was hilarious watching parents get up and take their kids out in the middle of certain scenes. One was after the second fight scene, then lost all but 1 during the sex scene, just because it was based on a comic doesnt mean its not violent.

fezident

03-14-2009, 09:21 PM

Is the song "99 Red Balloons" somehow significant to the (back)story?

SP1!

03-15-2009, 07:11 AM

Is the song "99 Red Balloons" somehow significant to the (back)story?

Well I think it was just put in because of the change to the story line, that song is about nuclear war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Red_Balloons).

cougarjake13

03-15-2009, 04:22 PM

never read the comic or graphic novel

i enjoyed the movie, and it didnt feel like a 3 hr movie

rorsach was by far my favorite

a few questions i have

1. are those scientists at the end that get pulverized like doc manhatttan eventually gonna be like him ??

2. it seems like its implied that if the editor at the end runs all of rorsachs diary stuff it basically will undo what ozy was trying to accomplish

3. do they ever say in the comic or novel whether or not they lift the 2 term limit for nixon so that he can serve 5 terms ?? and if so was it something similar to FDR ??

TheMojoPin

03-15-2009, 04:30 PM

1. are those scientists at the end that get pulverized like doc manhatttan eventually gonna be like him ??

No.

2. it seems like its implied that if the editor at the end runs all of rorsachs diary stuff it basically will undo what ozy was trying to accomplish

Yes. That's also the final scene in the book, and it's basically what Doctor Manhattan warned Ozy about before leaving: no matter how unified everyone seems now, something or someone will undo it. Ozy's victory is inherrently finite, so is it ultimately worth the cost?

3. do they ever say in the comic or novel whether or not they lift the 2 term limit for nixon so that he can serve 5 terms ?? and if so was it something similar to FDR ??

Yeah, he was able to lift them due to his overwhelming popularity due to the quick victory in Vietnam. FDR didn't lift anything. Prior to the passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1951, presidents could run for and serve for as many terms as they wanted.

Death Metal Moe

03-15-2009, 04:32 PM

never read the comic or graphic novel

i enjoyed the movie, and it didnt feel like a 3 hr movie

rorsach was by far my favorite

a few questions i have

1. are those scientists at the end that get pulverized like doc manhatttan eventually gonna be like him ??

2. it seems like its implied that if the editor at the end runs all of rorsachs diary stuff it basically will undo what ozy was trying to accomplish

3. do they ever say in the comic or novel whether or not they lift the 2 term limit for nixon so that he can serve 5 terms ?? and if so was it something similar to FDR ??

to answer your questions the best I can:

1. I doubt it. I think the Dr. Manhattan accident was a one in a million thing that spawns superheroes, and anyway, those people were already dead when he hit the switch. Maybe the cat if it was intelligent enough to do whatever it was that Dr. Manhattan did to pull himself back together.

2. Yes, that is the point. Rorschach gets his last licks in even though he got smoked by the Doc. I guess it also implies that the truth can, will and must come out no matter what. But I guess that's left up to fanboy discussions.

3. They say something about him changing the laws, yes. I don't exactly remember but he was probalby so popular after winning the Vietnam war in a week with Dr. Manhattan that his proposal was just pushed through.

Death Metal Moe

03-15-2009, 04:34 PM

Oh, I didn't know about question 3, I guess Mojo answered it.

GreatAmericanZero

03-15-2009, 04:41 PM

upon a week reflection...i think i enjoyed "the watchmen" and glad to have the film experience, but i don't think i'll ever watch the movie again. it just seems that if i want to revist "the watchmen" to just read the book again

cougarjake13

03-15-2009, 04:42 PM

Yeah, he was able to lift them due to his overwhelming popularity due to the quick victory in Vietnam. FDR didn't lift anything. Prior to the passage of the 22nd Amendment in 1951, presidents could run for and serve for as many terms as they wanted.

oh yeh thats right

Dirtbag

03-15-2009, 04:52 PM

Does anyone remember if the book specifically states that Dr. Manhattan can only see his own past/future? I assume its implied by the ending, since if he's left the galaxy and Rorschach's journal gets published he would know that Ozy's scheme was useless but does nothing to stop it, but I don't think Moore used Snyder's typical blunt force trauma method of explaining it.

SP1!

03-15-2009, 09:00 PM

upon a week reflection...i think i enjoyed "the watchmen" and glad to have the film experience, but i don't think i'll ever watch the movie again. it just seems that if i want to revist "the watchmen" to just read the book again
I will probably get the extended blu ray to see the true version but I will definitely see it again.

Does anyone remember if the book specifically states that Dr. Manhattan can only see his own past/future? I assume its implied by the ending, since if he's left the galaxy and Rorschach's journal gets published he would know that Ozy's scheme was useless but does nothing to stop it, but I don't think Moore used Snyder's typical blunt force trauma method of explaining it.
Yeah that doesnt make sense, he can see others future just by touching them so he should be able to see everything that happens, weird up until now I thought everything was tied up neatly.

Slumbag

03-15-2009, 09:11 PM

I saw it the other day and thought it was phenomenal.
Never read the book, but thought it was a great movie. Comedian may be the greatest character of all time.