Watchmen

[WampusCrandle]

just watched it and thought that it was great! had a good time watching the movie, though it was a bit long, and they should have put a bit more stressing on who was the bad guy (just from a movie stand point)

[KingGeno]

The only bad guy was the threat of nuclear wipeout. I thought they stressed it quite well.

[WampusCrandle]

The only bad guy was the threat of nuclear wipeout. I thought they stressed it quite well.

well, the movie was setting up that there was a bad guy, Ozymandias.

[TheMojoPin]

well, the movie was setting up that there was a bad guy, Ozymandias.

That's, in my opinion, one of the movie's flaws. It's supposed to be subjective and questionable as to who is really the "villain," if anyone at all. The movie played Ozy too villainous. He's not supposed to do any of the "evil" things he does because he's a bad guy: he does them all for what he perceies as the greater good. He really thinks he's doing the right thing.

[kdubya]

That's, in my opinion, one of the movie's flaws. It's supposed to be subjective and questionable as to who is really the "villain," if anyone at all. The movie played Ozy too villainous. He's not supposed to do any of the "evil" things he does because he's a bad guy: he does them all for what he perceies as the greater good. He really thinks he's doing the right thing.

Exactly. One of the key points of the story is to throw doubt on what is a hero, and the fine line between hero and villian As you said it is all subjective. Do the ends justify the means, whether it is Rorschach, the Comedian, Ozymandias, etc.. If the movie missed that, then they missed a huge part of the story.

[TheMojoPin]

Exactly. One of the key points of the story is to throw doubt on what is a hero, and the fine line between hero and villian As you said it is all subjective. Do the ends justify the means, whether it is Rorschach, the Comedian, Ozymandias, etc.. If the movie missed that, then they missed a huge part of the story.

Yeah, my biggest beefs with the film (though I mostly liked it), was how willing Snyder was to fuck up that blurring of the lines. I think Ozy acting evil was more the choice of the actor than anything else, but then stuff like making Rorschach and Silk Spectre II and Nite Owl II much more brutal and willing to kill left and right made them seem much less ambiguous and far more, well, nuts and "bad."

[WampusCrandle]

That's, in my opinion, one of the movie's flaws. It's supposed to be subjective and questionable as to who is really the "villain," if anyone at all. The movie played Ozy too villainous. He's not supposed to do any of the "evil" things he does because he's a bad guy: he does them all for what he perceies as the greater good. He really thinks he's doing the right thing.

that's what i was thinking. but, as i was leaving the movie, people were like, why did it take so long to say who the villain was? i wanted to say that there wasn't a one per say, but then i noticed how big and muscular they were, and i stopped.

[foodcourtdruide]

Mojo, your review scares me and may make me wait until this movie comes out on DVD. I absolutely H-A-T-E-D 300. I hated the story. I hated it stylistically. I hated the acting. I hated the directing. If I have to sit through another 2 hours of slow motion, overly violent fighting and people screaming for no apparent reason I might slit my wrists.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo, your review scares me and may make me wait until this movie comes out on DVD. I absolutely H-A-T-E-D 300. I hated the story. I hated it stylistically. I hated the acting. I hated the directing. If I have to sit through another 2 hours of slow motion, overly violent fighting and people screaming for no apparent reason I might slit my wrists.

He gets in a totally unecessary scream that I cracked up over.

He inexplicably has Nite Owl II witness Rorschach's death seemingly just so he can fall to his knees and do this ridiculous "RRRRRRRRAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!!!" thing. It's right up there with Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" nonsense.

[Death Metal Moe]

I've heard a lot of people make a big deal out of the Night Owl scream. I didn't care either way. I know he wasn't actually there but the scream didn't fill me with a douche chill or anything.

[TheMojoPin]

It's less the change and more just how freakin' ridiculous and silly it is. Having a big dramatic shot and the music swell and a character clenching or shaking their fists and screaming because something bad happened is never not cliche and goofy in a movie.

[GregoryJoseph]

I'm finally seeing Watchmen this Saturday night. A good buddy of mine is a comic geek and insists I see it with him.

I'll give you all the definitive review on Sunday.

You're welcome.

[foodcourtdruide]

It's less the change and more just how freakin' ridiculous and silly it is. Having a big dramatic shot and the music swell and a character clenching or shaking their fists and screaming because something bad happened is never not cliche and goofy in a movie.

That sounds like the closing scene in "chubby rain", the fake film from Bowfinger. I don't know if I can deal with the sillyness. When the dude screamed out, "THIS IS SPARTA!" in 300, I seriously had to close my eyes and wish I was somewhere else for the next hour and a half.

[cougarjake13]

Mojo, your review scares me and may make me wait until this movie comes out on DVD. I absolutely H-A-T-E-D 300. I hated the story. I hated it stylistically. I hated the acting. I hated the directing. If I have to sit through another 2 hours of slow motion, overly violent fighting and people screaming for no apparent reason I might slit my wrists.


there wasnt much slow motion fighting

[nassue]

why do we get a backstory on every character except for the one that is responsible for the death of millions of people and the rebirth of a unified society?

Veidt is completely one demensional as a character; even though he plays a pivitol role within the entire story i felt he was ignored within the film.

i feel that is the major flaw

[Gvac]

Saw it last night and I wish I stayed home.

My main beef was that there was absolutely no reason for the movie. It practically followed the book to a T. I knew what lines were coming next. There was nothing new and original here. It seems even more pointless because the book was a comic, for Christ's sake. THERE WERE ALREADY PICTURES!

I also detest CGI and think it looks fake as hell. Dr. Manhattan might as well have been Shrek, and he sounded like a fruit.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

[mdr55]

Saw it last night and I wish I stayed home.

My main beef was that there was absolutely no reason for the movie. It practically followed the book to a T. I knew what lines were coming next. There was nothing new and original here. It seems even more pointless because the book was a comic, for Christ's sake. THERE WERE ALREADY PICTURES!

I also detest CGI and think it looks fake as hell. Dr. Manhattan might as well have been Shrek, and he sounded like a fruit.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

How about if you never read the book. How does the movie stand by itself?

[Gvac]

How about if you never read the book. How does the movie stand by itself?

I really don't think so, to be honest. I think people who aren't familiar with the characters will be even more bored than I was.

The goddamn movie is almost three hours long, and some of the acting is so atrocious it's embarrassing.

[Contra]

I never read the book and I enjoyed it, but I like story development so...

[fezident]

I agree that the CGI was a bit distracting. Then again.... I say that aboot every single movie that has even the tiniest bit of CGI.
I f'ing hate that shit.

[cougarjake13]

How about if you never read the book. How does the movie stand by itself?

I really don't think so, to be honest. I think people who aren't familiar with the characters will be even more bored than I was.

The goddamn movie is almost three hours long, and some of the acting is so atrocious it's embarrassing.




i never read the books and overall i liked the movie

i didnt find it boring but i also was hard pressed to figure out what the movie was about other than one superhero got killed and another was obsessed with why


maybe b/c im so indoctrinated in the usual superhero movies

guy gains ability
guy learns to use new abilities
guy finds an enemy
they fight
set up for sequel

[boobieman]

Finally saw the movie...I thought it was really good. Liked that they took a lot of lines from the comics and used them in the movie. Understand that they could not do everything that was in the comic, if they did it would of been a 4 to 5 hour movie. I am so looking forward to the DVD. Even like the changed ending. I think if they did the comic book ending, non-comic book people would of thought the ending was stupid. I felt with the ending in the movie you still got the same feel and the same effect as in the comic book ending.

Silk spectrum is hot. Great ass. Great legs. Any nudes of her please post.
Really liked the way they did Dr. Manhattans creation. Again with the amount of time they couldn't do the full story, but the way they did it in the movie was great. Wish they took some more time on Rorschach's origin. Thought the way they did the comedian was great as well.

Only thing that took me out of the movie was the makeup job on Nixon, Kennedy, and the old silk spectrum, with those bad makeup crows feet. Just looked horrible. Some of the acting was ok, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I read on Superherohype.com they might re-release the movie with added scenes. So might wait to go see it again.

Either way, once that super long dvd version comes out, I will be getting it.

SEEYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

[Death Metal Moe]

i never read the books and overall i liked the movie

i didnt find it boring but i also was hard pressed to figure out what the movie was about other than one superhero got killed and another was obsessed with why


maybe b/c im so indoctrinated in the usual superhero movies

guy gains ability
guy learns to use new abilities
guy finds an enemy
they fight
set up for sequel


I think the fact that this story WASN'T that normal rehash we're used to is one of the main reasons it's so popular.

There's layers to the story, but that don't matter to the average viewer. It came out, there aint gonna be a sequal, so that's that. I'm just looking forward to the director's cut DVD with the cut scenes and the Black Freighter put back into it.

[Death Metal Moe]

Finally saw the movie...I thought it was really good. Liked that they took a lot of lines from the comics and used them in the movie. Understand that they could not do everything that was in the comic, if they did it would of been a 4 to 5 hour movie. I am so looking forward to the DVD. Even like the changed ending. I think if they did the comic book ending, non-comic book people would of thought the ending was stupid. I felt with the ending in the movie you still got the same feel and the same effect as in the comic book ending.

Silk spectrum is hot. Great ass. Great legs. Any nudes of her please post.
Really liked the way they did Dr. Manhattans creation. Again with the amount of time they couldn't do the full story, but the way they did it in the movie was great. Wish they took some more time on Rorschach's origin. Thought the way they did the comedian was great as well.

Only thing that took me out of the movie was the makeup job on Nixon, Kennedy, and the old silk spectrum, with those bad makeup crows feet. Just looked horrible. Some of the acting was ok, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I read on Superherohype.com they might re-release the movie with added scenes. So might wait to go see it again.

Either way, once that super long dvd version comes out, I will be getting it.

SEEYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY


SPECTRE GODDAMN IT!

[Drunky McBetidont]

i just watched. it was long and it enjoyed to take its liberties with the sex, nudity and graphic fucking violence. it also kicked ass. very close adaptation from source material to film. the changes at the end worked for the film. cloverfield killed the squid bomb for cinema. i am going to watch the extras now. hope they do justice.

8.2 popcorn dumpsters out of 10 for what it tried to do and succeeded to do.:clap:

[boobieman]

SPECTRE GODDAMN IT!

I am sorry spelling is not my strong smooth.

WE NEED A SPELL CHECK HERE!!!!

SEEYAYAYAYAYYAA

[mikeyboy]

I am sorry spelling is not my strong smooth.

WE NEED A SPELL CHECK HERE!!!!

SEEYAYAYAYAYYAA

That wouldn't have helped in this case.

[boobieman]

A thesaurus then...

SEEYAYAYAAAA

[Furtherman]

WATCHMEN Director’s Cut to Show In Select Theaters For One Weekend in July (http://www.collider.com/2009/06/24/confirmed-watchmen-directors-cut-to-show-in-select-theaters-for-one-weekend-in-july/)

But the highlight of the day was director Zack Snyder confirming the news that the “Watchmen Director’s Cut” would be playing in select movie theaters next month! If you remember, he talked about a possibly release when the film first came out.

Zack said the movie would show in theaters “the weekend before Comic-Con in Los Angeles, Dallas, Minneapolis, and New York.” He said the release would only be for one weekend and in one theater. He also said they made a new “Watchmen” movie poster to help promote the release.

No date mentioned in the article (fail) but LA Comic-Con is July 23-26 so the movie should be in theaters the weekend of July 17th.

[fezident]

According to Matthew Goode, THREE extended editions of the movie are being produced.

[BinaryTaoist]

There were things I loved and hated about this movie...

For instance, Doc Manahattan's voice was awesome; no matter what was going on it always zen... perfect.


What I hated most about the film was the ultra-violent scene when Laurie & Dan were fighting the knot-tops in the alley... They were breaking necks and causing bones to become exposed. They weren't supposed to be killers, but heroes... plus it made Rorshach and his finger breaking seem kind of vanilla in comparison... weak.

[Dougie Brootal]

when the fuck is this comin out on dvd?

[TheMojoPin]

What I hated most about the film was the ultra-violent scene when Laurie & Dan were fighting the knot-tops in the alley... They were breaking necks and causing bones to become exposed. They weren't supposed to be killers, but heroes... plus it made Rorshach and his finger breaking seem kind of vanilla in comparison... weak.

Definitely. A completely ridiculous thing that shows for as much of the little things that Snyder got right, tons of critical things just flew right over his head.

[lleeder]

WATCHMEN Director’s Cut to Show In Select Theaters For One Weekend in July (http://www.collider.com/2009/06/24/confirmed-watchmen-directors-cut-to-show-in-select-theaters-for-one-weekend-in-july/)



No date mentioned in the article (fail) but LA Comic-Con is July 23-26 so the movie should be in theaters the weekend of July 17th.

I think thats this week I heard a commercial for it on the radio. i ooled and couldn't find anythin

[Death Metal Moe]

There were things I loved and hated about this movie...

For instance, Doc Manahattan's voice was awesome; no matter what was going on it always zen... perfect.


What I hated most about the film was the ultra-violent scene when Laurie & Dan were fighting the knot-tops in the alley... They were breaking necks and causing bones to become exposed. They weren't supposed to be killers, but heroes... plus it made Rorshach and his finger breaking seem kind of vanilla in comparison... weak.

I was bitching about that alley fight scene on the way out of the movies too. They were supposed to be the more like the "Old Fashioned" masked heroes that never really hurt anyone too much. They killed a few of those guys, it made no sense to add the killing and of course, it was nothing like the comic scene. A completely unnecessary change.

[boobieman]

Ok the movie comes out on DVD tommorrow(7/21). Anyone know where I can get the ulitmate version with everything. I did some searching on Amazon and I find the directors cut, but I know their is a version with everything, the trial of the black freighter, under the hood too.

I info anyone has pass along to me.

SEEYEYsYSYYSYEYEYAAAA

[Dirtbag]

That one's not coming out till December. The one tomorrow is just the Director's Cut. I'm not entirely sure what the differences are, but I think I'll just give this first one a rental and wait to buy the Ultimate edition later.

[boobieman]

After I posted on here, I did some searching and found out that the ultimate is coming out in Dec. Damn Now I have to wait.

Thanks for the info.

SEEYYSYEYAYAAA

[sr71blackbird]

I have the directors cut version and there are a few things that I like and dislike. They did alter the story, its not 100% to the book. In the movie they make it seem as if Adrain mimicked Dr Manhattans power signature to make the world believe it was he that caused the distruction. In the book, Adrain teleported a giant brainwave octopus into Manhattan to make the world think we were bing attacked by aliens so that the US and Russia would unite against a common foe, because Dr Manhattan seemed to vanish off the Earth and we needed to unite. I guess they did as best they could given the time restraint. They modified other aspects of the story too. Visually, it is very much like the splash panels in the book.

[Dirtbag]

The director's cut is much better. They put my favorite line from the comic back in (Rorschach's "There is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished. Even in the face of armageddon I shall not compromise in this.") and I really liked the way they handled the Knot-Tops killing Hollis Mason. The stuff with Laurie and the government guys was unnecessary, but everything else seemed to fit.

[Contra]

After I posted on here, I did some searching and found out that the ultimate is coming out in Dec. Damn Now I have to wait.

Thanks for the info.

SEEYYSYEYAYAAA

What is the ultimate edition going to have that the blu-ray directors cut doesn't have?

[Dirtbag]

What is the ultimate edition going to have that the blu-ray directors cut doesn't have?
It's going to include the Under the Hood/Tales of the Black Freighter DVD and the Motion Comic DVD that were released earlier this year, plus the version of the movie with those edited back in. Also a bunch of other special features that aren't on this recent release.

[Contra]

Dammit! That's enough to make me wait

[Patient zer0]

What a piece of shit that movie was. I know nothing about the stories, so I went in with an open mind. I wanted to love it. I didn't understand what the fuck was going on. Such an odd inside movie. It felt like to me, if you didn't read the novels, your shit out of luck to follow the movie.

Not one part made any sense.

Gay fat balls I say.

[razorboy]

Gay fat balls.

Finally, I have a title for my autobiography.

[foodcourtdruide]

Finally saw it. Had potential to be great, but failed in many ways. Story was too much. Just too much happening. It tried to be everywhere at once. Also, needless over-violent scenes were just too much. The comedian can't just shoot the woman, she has to be pregnant. The girl puts the flower in the gun, then they shoot. Snapped neck, snapped arm. 5 minute sex scene. Just too much.

I like Rorshac though, whose name I'm spelling wrong.

[TjM]

Finally saw it. Had potential to be great, but failed in many ways. Story was too much. Just too much happening. It tried to be everywhere at once. Also, needless over-violent scenes were just too much. The comedian can't just shoot the woman, she has to be pregnant. The girl puts the flower in the gun, then they shoot. Snapped neck, snapped arm. 5 minute sex scene. Just too much.

I like Rorshac though, whose name I'm spelling wrong.

I also have no idea why they changed the Grice scene

[foodcourtdruide]

I also have no idea why they changed the Grice scene

Whi is grice? Howd they change it?

[Dougie Brootal]

What a piece of shit that movie was. I know nothing about the stories, so I went in with an open mind. I wanted to love it. I didn't understand what the fuck was going on. Such an odd inside movie. It felt like to me, if you didn't read the novels, your shit out of luck to follow the movie.

Not one part made any sense.

Gay fat balls I say.

this is exactly how i feel. i really wanted to like this movie, i looked forward to it all year long. so disappointed.

[Furtherman]

First Look at the Features and Box Art for WATCHMEN - THE ULTIMATE CUT (http://www.collider.com/2009/09/22/first-look-at-the-features-and-box-art-for-watchmen-the-ultimate-cut/)

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/W/Watchmen/Watchmen_DVD/watchmen_ultimate_cut_dvd_specs_box_art_01.jpg

Available 11/3/09

[JustJon]

First Look at the Features and Box Art for WATCHMEN - THE ULTIMATE CUT (http://www.collider.com/2009/09/22/first-look-at-the-features-and-box-art-for-watchmen-the-ultimate-cut/)

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/W/Watchmen/Watchmen_DVD/watchmen_ultimate_cut_dvd_specs_box_art_01.jpg

Available 11/3/09

Announced before the Director's Cut. Hope no one bought that one.

[boobieman]

I have been waiting for this version. I told the wife I would get it for Christmas, but I thought it was coming out in December...fuck that..I will be pre-ordering it.

SEESYAYAYYAYAA

[boobieman]

Got the Ultimate cut yesterday. It is great. Liked the way they did the tale of the black freighter. Animated. Sort of looked like the old spawn cartoon from HBO. Done really well. Added a few other small scenes to make it flow better. Added all the scenes with the newspaper guy and the black kid reading the comic. Have not seen the movie since I saw it in the theater, so I don't remember what was really added. Or if anything was taken out. I know they added a scene after John leaves for Mars.

Also includes under the hood doc. Some cool extra stuff about the comic. Also has the animated comic, have not watched it yet but looking forward to it.

Recommend getting this version. It is great. Amazon has it at a good price.

SSSSSSEYAYAYAYAAAA

[JimBeam]

OK so I finally dedicated the almost 3 hours ( if you count the replaying of scenes ) need to watch the movie and I liked it for the most part but didn't care for the ending.

A few questions though.

I get the whole peace and love thing but is the final scene, when the guy at the newpaper looks at Rorshack's ( sp ?? ) journal supposed to mean that if he prints the journal the whole " Dr Manhattan did it " hoax would be exposed ?

But he died before he could reveal the whole plot in his journal.

And why did the Doctor have to kill Rorshack and not the others ?

Sure Rorshack said he'd tell everybody the truth and the Doctor didn't want that but how did he know Spectre 2 and that Owl dude wouldn't ever say anything ?

Did The Comedian kill Kennedy and if so why'd the rest of them not investigate that ?

Who was the guy in the flashbacks, wearing a noose and a hangman's mask, that beat up The Comedian when he was trying to rape Spectre and why was he not in it later ?

Who killed the lesbo heros ?

[newport king]

i had heard this movie sucked...i couldnt disagree more.

[Death Metal Moe]

OK so I finally dedicated the almost 3 hours ( if you count the replaying of scenes ) need to watch the movie and I liked it for the most part but didn't care for the ending.

A few questions though.

I get the whole peace and love thing but is the final scene, when the guy at the newpaper looks at Rorshack's ( sp ?? ) journal supposed to mean that if he prints the journal the whole " Dr Manhattan did it " hoax would be exposed ?

But he died before he could reveal the whole plot in his journal.

And why did the Doctor have to kill Rorshack and not the others ?

Sure Rorshack said he'd tell everybody the truth and the Doctor didn't want that but how did he know Spectre 2 and that Owl dude wouldn't ever say anything ?

Did The Comedian kill Kennedy and if so why'd the rest of them not investigate that ?

Who was the guy in the flashbacks, wearing a noose and a hangman's mask, that beat up The Comedian when he was trying to rape Spectre and why was he not in it later ?

Who killed the lesbo heros ?

Rorschach had enough proof in his journal, or so he felt, to mail it before he left for the south pole. He felt there was enough in there to get people digging and the truth would be unavoidable to anyone willing to find it.

Rorschach's attitude was was set him apart from Nightowl a Spectre 2. They were willing to live the lie to keep the world in peace, Rorschach wasn't. Never compromise. That's why just he had to die.

The Comedian killing Kennedy wasn't a major plot point, just another thing to show you his ruthless nature.

The guy in the flashbacks was called Hooded Justice. He was a minor character really. Introduced as the guy that inspired Nightowl to put on a mask and fight crime. He was rumored to be a Nazi Sympathizer, so when WW2 came along and full disclosure of Super Heros was demanded by the government, he chose to simply disappear rather than give his identity to the US government. Again, more of a side story character in my opinion.

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh, and The Silhouette and her lesbian partner were killed by lower level crooks it seems, one of her enemies at the time. I forget if they named the killer or if it was just said something like "an arch nemesis got her."

I'm pretty sure Rorschach described it in the comic and he made reference to their lifestyle like it wasn't a normal thing. Rorschach was a buzzkill.

[JimBeam]

Thanks Moe.

I'm watching it now for a 2nd time and some things are starting to fall in place.

I actually think that The Comedian killed the lesbos, possibly on gov't orders, due to their embarassing nature.

I think he kinda alludes to this when he goes to Mollock.

He says something about " you and Silk Spectre 2 were on the list too ".

He doesn't say Silk Spectre 2 exactly but says whatever the original Silk Spectre's daughter or something to that effect.

I still think that Rorshack was missing a lot fom his journal and I'm not sure that much would've been revealed.

Plus if Dr M had let him go back people wouldn't believe him thinking that for one he was crazy, which is what they thought anyway, and the secondly he would be covering for Dr M who was one of his pals.

I as reading some links about the comic and I guess the Oz character uses a monster/alien to destroy NY and not nuclear war.

Also read that the Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis were queer together.

The scene in the movie when Mikey from Seinfeld has the one thug cut off the other other thugs arms to get into the jail cell is so unneccesary. Just a reason to show more blood.

Couldn't the thug have cut anywhere else on the bars to the cell ?

Kinda senseless violence like the fight in the alley that others had mentioned.

Also the scene in the beginning when the Lesbo kisses that nurse afer Japan surrenders is that supposed to be a real pic ?

It had the feel of being an alternate reality version of a pic possibly of a soldier kissing a nurse or something.

[mikeyboy]

Thanks Moe.

I'm watching it now for a 2nd time and some things are starting to fall in place.

I actually think that The Comedian killed the lesbos, possibly on gov't orders, due to their embarassing nature.

I think he kinda alludes to this when he goes to Mollock.

Trying to remember the movie and the comic, but I though the "the list" had something to do with the people who supposedly got cancer from being around Doctor Manhattan.

[Dirtbag]

I actually think that The Comedian killed the lesbos, possibly on gov't orders, due to their embarassing nature.Silhouette was kicked out of the Minutemen because she was a lesbian. She was killed by an old enemy out for revenge. In the book anyway. The movie made it out to be more than it was, and I kinda though it worked better that way.
The guy in the flashbacks was called Hooded Justice. He was a minor character really. Introduced as the guy that inspired Nightowl to put on a mask and fight crime. He was rumored to be a Nazi Sympathizer, so when WW2 came along and full disclosure of Super Heros was demanded by the government, he chose to simply disappear rather than give his identity to the US government. Again, more of a side story character in my opinion.He was believed to be a communist sympathizer, not Nazi. Although I suppose in the 50s it didn't really make a difference.


Rorschach was a buzzkill.
No, Rorschach ruled. :clap:

[JimBeam]

No, Rorschach ruled.

I agree. By far the best character in my opinion.

That's why I disliked the callousness of killing him.

I mean couldn't Dr M make him forget or something less drastic ?

I loved the acting but that creepy kid/guy rom the Bad News Bears movies.

[Contra]

Finally this is out! I will pick it up shortly. I am happy I didn't give in and get any of the other ones.

[boobieman]

Go with the ultimate cut..I picked it up and it is worth it. Love the way they did the comic book inside of the comic book.

Debating if I want to re-pick it up but in blue ray.

SSEYAYAAA

[Death Metal Moe]

He was believed to be a communist sympathizer, not Nazi. Although I suppose in the 50s it didn't really make a difference.


Oh yea, I messed up my eras in my head.

And Rorschach was the best character in the movie, don't get me wrong. It's just that his strict moral code made him a guy I wouldn't want to party with. That's what I meant as a buzzkill.

[JimBeam]

But I think his strict moral code made him the most qualified to be a super hero.

Fuck Dr M and his feeling of superiority.

He let The Comedian kill that innocent Vietnamese lady, Kennedy and who knows who else.

And regardless of whether or not Oz's plan was just/right he should've killed him.

Based on one of the last scenes in the movie it looked like Oz's company was gonna clean up financially after the disaster.

What's moral or just about that ?

[JimBeam]

This past week they've been showing an extended/director's cut on one of the cable channels which contains some interesting bonus material.

I still like this movie a lot but I HATE the ending.

I wanna kill the actor that played Oz because I hate that he gets away w/ his plan.

I guess I've gotta read the comics to get more background by ust because he's the smartest man in the world why is he able to kick all of their butts at the same time ?

[realmenhatelife]

This past week they've been showing an extended/director's cut on one of the cable channels which contains some interesting bonus material.

I still like this movie a lot but I HATE the ending.

I wanna kill the actor that played Oz because I hate that he gets away w/ his plan.

I guess I've gotta read the comics to get more background by ust because he's the smartest man in the world why is he able to kick all of their butts at the same time ?

He intellectually would understand how to fight all of them, and in the comic they do make a bigger point of him as a physical specimen. Also Sally Jupiter is a girl, Rorshack is a tiny man, and Night Owl is supposed to be middle aged and out of shape.

Ozymandias isn't a moral character, he's a utilitarian character, and the Watchmen extrapolates that utilitarian philosophy to a final horrow.

[JimBeam]

It bothers me that Dr Manhattan didn't kill Oz.

I can see why he reluctantly went along w/ the scam but he still could've exacted a little retribution.

[realmenhatelife]

It bothers me that Dr Manhattan didn't kill Oz.

I can see why he reluctantly went along w/ the scam but he still could've exacted a little retribution.

Manhattan has been made completely inhuman because of his powers, so he doesn't understand the desire for retribution or the idea of morality. He's a criticism of the super powers in the cold war, how inhuman the idea it was that we were holding eachother hostage with nukes, and how the power to wield that destruction distanced us from our humanity.

They do a better job of making Manhattan seem autistic in the comic.