Penn State Students Dress up as VA Tech Victims for Halloween

[Bulldogcakes]

and as you can imagine, VA Tech thought it was just hilarious (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22147248)

Some members of the Virginia Tech community were outraged on Thursday night after some pictures of a controversial Halloween costume were posted on the Internet. The pictures displayed on the social networking site Facebook showed two Penn State students dressed as the Virginia Tech shooting victims.

In the photos, the students are wearing Virginia Tech T-shirts, have bullet holes in their clothes and are wearing elaborate makeup.

Since I know we have a lot of VA folks around here, I'll just link the photos and not post them

Here (http://www.drudgereport.com/vt2.jpg)

and Here (http://www.drudgereport.com/vt.jpg)

[Tenbatsuzen]

and as you can imagine, VA Tech thought it was just hilarious (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22147248)



Since I know we have a lot of VA folks around here, I'll just link the photos and not post them

Here (http://www.drudgereport.com/vt2.jpg)

and Here (http://www.drudgereport.com/vt.jpg)

Yeah, so? It's not like they walked around VT's campus doing it. absolutely no difference between doing that and wearing an OJ mask.

Go shit in your hat, VT.

[scottinnj]

One of my co-worker's kid goes to VT, I expect her to be thoroughly pissed off come Monday.

Yeah, somebody thought this was funny, but WTF? Why think taking pictures and posting them on the web is a good idea?

The only worse idea I can come up with is borrowing Ant's swastika armband and wearing it when I take my kid to attend his freind's bar mitzvah.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That makeup isn't exactly elaborate. I lol'ed, and this is fake outrage. fuck you, we know what happened, Tragedy + Time = Comedy, especially since this wasn't on your turf. You fucking know that if it wasn't your school, someone at VT would have done the same thing.

That, plus the fact it was a couple of kids at PSU. Not the entire campus. Again, go shit in your hat.

[Judge Smails]

I used to spend many a weekend visiting my future wife up at Penn State and I can vouch for the fact that Penn State students are some of the biggest douchbags I've ever met (except for my lovely wife, of course.)

[scottinnj]

I do hope nothing happens to these students. I'd hate to think stupidity is grounds for expulsion.

[Tenbatsuzen]

One of my co-worker's kid goes to VT, I expect her to be thoroughly pissed off come Monday.

Yeah, somebody thought this was funny, but WTF? Why think taking pictures and posting them on the web is a good idea?

The only worse idea I can come up with is borrowing Ant's swastika armband and wearing it when I take my kid to attend his freind's bar mitzvah.

NO IT'S NOT.

If these students went to VT and did this, then I could see the problem.

These were Penn State Students, who were at least 500+ miles away from the campus. It was a localized tragedy. They had harmless, semi-offensive Halloween fun. IT WAS A HALLOWEEN PARTY. I give them points for creativity + a "Too Soon?" bonus.

They didn't specifically seek out students. They just wore VT shirts with blood.

[Bossanova]

Imitation is the best form of flattery

[TheMojoPin]

If there's douchebagery afoot, you can count on Matty to be there to defend it.

AVAST, THERE BE YON DOUCHEBAG-SIGNAL!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I do hope nothing happens to these students. I'd hate to think stupidity is grounds for expulsion.

I guarantee you they'll try to get them in trouble for something.

[TheMojoPin]

NO IT'S NOT.

If these students went to VT and did this, then I could see the problem.

These were Penn State Students, who were at least 500+ miles away from the campus. It was a localized tragedy. They had harmless, semi-offensive Halloween fun. IT WAS A HALLOWEEN PARTY. I give them points for creativity + a "Too Soon?" bonus.

They didn't specifically seek out students. They just wore VT shirts with blood.

Nobody here is saying anything should happen to them.

If you put your asshole-iness out to the public for review, don't be surprised when people call you an asshole.

Tit for tat.

[scottinnj]

I guarantee you they'll try to get them in trouble for something.

Which is bullshit. You and I disagree on taste, but we seem to agree on the rest.

They should just run an Imus clip:

"I'm sorry I did that....I'm ashamed that I did that!"

[SatCam]

probably wouldve been more realistic if they actually shot themselves

[scottinnj]

"asshole-iness"

Beautiful. I love you Mojo.

[scottinnj]

probably wouldve been more realistic if they actually shot themselves

Then it would have been "art" and they could claim First Amendment priviledges.

[Bulldogcakes]

God, you folks can be so predictable at times.

[scottinnj]

God, you folks can be so predictable at times.

I disagree. Mojo's asshole-iness word is brand new, and funny as hell.

[Bulldogcakes]

I disagree. Mojo's asshole-iness word is brand new, and funny as hell.

http://images.zap2it.com/20050930/stephencolbert_colbertreport_240.jpg
I SAID "TRUTH-INESS" FIRST!!

STOP RIPPING ME OFF!! HOOHOOO!!

[Bulldogcakes]

Am I the only one here who wants to bang the shit out of the girl?

Any woman with such a horrible, cruel, mean spirited sense of humor sounds perfect to me.

Oh, the things I'd do to her.

[Bulldogcakes]

Imitation is the best form of flattery


:huh: :wacko: :blink:

Are there awards given out somewhere for posts like this?

[TheMojoPin]

Am I the only one here who wants to bang the shit out of the girl?

Any woman with such a horrible, cruel, mean spirited sense of humor sounds perfect to me.

Oh, the things I'd do to her.

Stop the presses.

[WampusCrandle]

Am I the only one here who wants to bang the shit out of the girl?

Any woman with such a horrible, cruel, mean spirited sense of humor sounds perfect to me.

Oh, the things I'd do to her.

they are the only date able girls, to be quite honest

[pennington]

I went to a "Jim Jones" party once. All the men wore Hawaiian shirts and sunglasses and we drank Kool Aid punch (only laced with alcohol, though). This is what you do when you're young.

People are way too sensitive now.

[Tallman388]

I do hope nothing happens to these students. I'd hate to think stupidity is grounds for expulsion.

In my experience, stupidity usually ends up in academic suspension, while insensitivity ends up in nothing. This is just asshole-iness (good one!) on display. I'm sure Penn State wasn't the only school to have a halloween party with insensitive costumes, they're just the only ones dumb enough to let the pictures get out.

[epo]

So college students got drunk and acted like dickheads. And this is news why?

[TheMojoPin]

If PSU is gonna start suspending people for being assholes, the campus would be barren after the winter break.

I'm still trying to figure out why just calling an asshole an asshole is being "too sensitive."

[Chigworthy]

It's not about defending douche-baggery, it's about defending the right for someone to commit douche-baggery, which is an American hearthstake. (I think I just made up "hearthstake" but it sounds pretty wholesome and valuable, doesn't it?)

[TheMojoPin]

Alright...

WHO IS SAYING THESE PEOPLE CAN'T DO THIS?!?

The people that don't like it here have just called them out for being jerks with their costume choices. That's it.

[underdog]

I'm still trying to figure out why just calling an asshole an asshole is being "too sensitive."

I'm assuming people are talking about the outrage of other people that's going on now, rather than people like you who are just calling them assholes. And I don't mean on this board. I meant in the general public.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm assuming people are talking about the outrage of other people that's going on now, rather than people like you who are just calling them assholes. And I don't mean on this board. I meant in the general public.

But even that "outrage"...what's the big deal? Are there actually people out there en masse calling for these kids to be punished?

I just don't see how this is people "becoming" too sensiive or too PC...something like this is going to generally be considered in bad taste or insulting or whatever by a ton of people no matter when it happened or where or who did it. If you go out of your way to push buttons like this, hey, a lot of people are going to respond negatively. No, they shouldn't be punished, but nobody should be surprised when they get a negative response. When someone goes out of thei way to be insulting, don't cry foul when people are insulted.

[underdog]

But even that "outrage"...what's the big deal? Are there actually people out there en masse calling for these kids to be punished?

I think people here might be reacting to an outrage they think is coming.

They're getting mad at something that hasn't happened yet.

[Fallon]

Go shit in your hat, WV.

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/m_88a2661b77069a9c8eb1e24aad16691f.gif

[waltermitty]

This is done in poor taste.
In my mind this is the same as the frat parties that have people in black face.
The people who get caught in black face often get suspended or expelled...
I don't really agree with this punishment, but I'm interested to see if the punishments match up....
I for one believe it is a freedom of expression issue. If someone wants to dress crazy at thier own private function, who is to say that they don't have the right to do so?

[underdog]

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/m_88a2661b77069a9c8eb1e24aad16691f.gif

Damnit. I came here with my hopes high that you had done something with a crying Benoit, and I see this.

You've failed me, sir. You've failed me.

[TheMojoPin]

This is done in poor taste.
In my mind this is the same as the frat parties that have people in black face.
The people who get caught in black face often get suspended or expelled...
I don't really agree with this punishment, but I'm interested to see if the punishments match up....
I for one believe it is a freedom of expression issue. If someone wants to dress crazy at thier own private function, who is to say that they don't have the right to do so?

But isn't the line kind of blurred here?

People ultimately aren't responding to the pirvate use of these costumes...they're reacting to the public pictures of them.

[waltermitty]

But isn't the line kind of blurred here?

People ultimately aren't responding to the pirvate use of these costumes...they're reacting to the public pictures of them.

The ultimate message here is about the reality we live in... There are cameras EVERYWHERE... (Ask Pepper Hick and Bronx Johnny)
The people in these pictures showed incredibly poor judgement...
I've been really drunk, really high and really immature at times in my life and I still managed not to do anything stupid on tape....

[Fallon]

Damnit. I came here with my hopes high that you had done something with a crying Benoit, and I see this.

You've failed me, sir. You've failed me.

I gotta mix it up, then BLAM! You don't see it coming!

[underdog]

I gotta mix it up, then BLAM! You don't see it coming!

Ok. You're off the hook this time.

[PapaBear]

Tasteless, but so what. If Tech parents are upset about it, they can send the photos to prospective employers of the Penn kids. That would be a shitty thing to do, but it would make them think twice about posting that kind of stuff on the web next time.

[suggums]

if this was a Halloween costume isnt this a month and a week late? who cares at this point


also, i love the description of the students trying to be "trendy," as if they wear this outfit on a weekly basis for cool points. jesus christ, theres offensive costumes every single fucking year, whos shocked by anything these days

[moochcassidy]

If there's douchebagery afoot, you can count on Matty to be there to defend it.

AVAST, THERE BE YON DOUCHEBAG-SIGNAL!

think im startin to understand this word a lil more

[Bulldogcakes]

I wonder what our buddy DouchebagSean thinks about this. He would seem to be an expert on the matter.

[scottinnj]

But isn't the line kind of blurred here?

People ultimately aren't responding to the pirvate use of these costumes...they're reacting to the public pictures of them.


Mojo is right.

Who is the douchebag that put the pics on the internet?

"Look at what I can do....take some pictures and piss off the entire East Coast of America"

[sailor]

But isn't the line kind of blurred here?

People ultimately aren't responding to the pirvate use of these costumes...they're reacting to the public pictures of them.

i disagree. i think people are upset over the costumes in and of themselves and the internet posting is only responsible for bringing them to the public's attention.

as for my view, if i went to VT i'd probably be upset but that's life. i didn't and find the costumes funny, even if in poor taste. i don't understand why people with no personal interest would be offended.

[TheMojoPin]

i don't understand why people with no personal interest would be offended.

I'm not sure why someone has to have "personal interest."

To use an extreme hypothetical, if I saw somone had defaced a synagogue with a giant swastika or worse, I'd have zero "personal interest" invested in any of that, but I'd still be horrified/saddened/offended/whatever.

[lleeder]

I'm not sure why someone has to have "personal interest."

To use an extreme hypothetical, if I saw somone had defaced a synagogue with a giant swastika or worse, I'd have zero "personal interest" invested in any of that, but I'd still be horrified/saddened/offended/whatever.

What if they dressed up as defaced synagogue would that be alright?

[TheMojoPin]

What if they dressed up as defaced synagogue would that be alright?

But what does "alright" mean? There's this tone in this thread as if some kind of "rights" are being infringed on, yet the only people telling other people how they should act and what they say are those rushing to the defense of the students.

If someone wants to wear an offensive costume, hey, great, have at it...but at the same time, the choice to wear that costume is also a choice to open up to the criticisms and negative responses of the people who see it and don't like it. Cause and effect...despite what people want to think, these kind of choices and actions don't happen in some kind of limbo.

[sailor]

I'm not sure why someone has to have "personal interest."

To use an extreme hypothetical, if I saw somone had defaced a synagogue with a giant swastika or worse, I'd have zero "personal interest" invested in any of that, but I'd still be horrified/saddened/offended/whatever.

i didn't say you could never care unless you were personally involved. your example is one i agree with. this one specific case, i do not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The context of these pictures aren't a re-enactment of VT or a Harmony Korine style "shocker" context. The shot of the guy is just posing with a chick, and the girl just looks drunk. the public pictures aren't "Ohhhhh, we're making frun of VT", the pics are "Hey! It's my Halloween party, there's Bobby and Jessica!"

[TheMojoPin]

Harmony Korine style "shocker" context

Pedophilia?

[TheMojoPin]

The context of these pictures aren't a re-enactment of VT or a Harmony Korine style "shocker" context. The shot of the guy is just posing with a chick, and the girl just looks drunk. the public pictures aren't "Ohhhhh, we're making frun of VT", the pics are "Hey! It's my Halloween party, there's Bobby and Jessica!"

Seriously though, this is just a re-hash of the same "it's not racist/racially insulting if it's funny" argument this board has seen plenty of times. In short, if someone is just trying to be cute or funny, people have no "right" to take it as anything but.

[BoondockSaint]

link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/12/08/2007-12-08_campus_outrage_as_penn_state_students_dr.html?p age=0)

"It's not that it was funny," the student said of the costumes. "It's that we are notorious and infamous and very popular in the state college, so we have to do things that push the envelope just for shock value," he said.

He went on to imply that Virginia Tech students' public displays of grief less than a year after the massacre are at least partly for show.

"This is a group of college students who now think it's trendy to be upset about their friends being killed," said the Penn student.

See, they only did it because they are very popular. I hope all of you unpopular people understand now.

[sailor]

"This is a group of college students who now think it's trendy to be upset about their friends being killed," said the Penn student.

wow, that's crazy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Penn State student makes a point - are these people who are upset actually tied in with the victims? Or just tied in with the University? There's a gaping difference.

We've seen from 9/11 that people who have had nothing to do with the tragic event like to tie themselves into a situation. And I'm not saying that people from VT shouldn't be able to grieve. But... speaking as someone who was in High School when a student died tragically, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON CAMPUS tried to tie themselves into his life even though his circle of friends was really quite limited, I can totally see what the PSU student is trying to say.

[Bulldogcakes]

What if they dressed up as defaced synagogue would that be alright?

On Halloween.

I challenge anyone to come up with an objective standard of what is and isn't acceptable for Halloween costumes and then be consistent when applying it. Give us all a rule, a line that shouldn't be crossed.

[high fly]

Yeah, so? It's not like they walked around VT's campus doing it. absolutely no difference between doing that and wearing an OJ mask.

Go shit in your hat, VT.


When I was a kid, my mommy taught me the following lesson:

Just because little Johnny down the street jumps off the roof, it doesn't mean YOU have to jump off the roof, too


Sadly, there are some out there who never learned this lesson....................................





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[TheMojoPin]

On Halloween.

I challenge anyone to come up with an objective standard of what is and isn't acceptable for Halloween costumes and then be consistent when applying it. Give us all a rule, a line that shouldn't be crossed.

There's no line. It's how the world works...choices we make causes people to react. That's it. Like the argument that humor somehow magically makes anything insulting OK, Halloween isn't some excuse to do or say whatever someone wants and nobody i allowed to respond negatively. If you go out of your way to be "shocking" or insulting simply for the sake of being shocking and insulting, don't be surprised when a lot of people react negatively. Halloween isn't "Hey, everyone can be a moronic anus Day."

Again, these people can wear whatever they want to their party. And people can respond however they want to seeing those costumes, whether they were there to see it or seeing it in a photo or seeing it online or seeing in a news report. Somebody who has nothing to do with them seeing that and saying "wow, those guys are assholes" deprives absolutely nobody of anything. Nothing is "lost", no non-existent "rights" are trampled...the world spins on. Some people think it's funny, some don't care, and some think it sucks.

[TheMojoPin]

The Penn State student makes a point - are these people who are upset actually tied in with the victims? Or just tied in with the University? There's a gaping difference.

We've seen from 9/11 that people who have had nothing to do with the tragic event like to tie themselves into a situation. And I'm not saying that people from VT shouldn't be able to grieve. But... speaking as someone who was in High School when a student died tragically, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON CAMPUS tried to tie themselves into his life even though his circle of friends was really quite limited, I can totally see what the PSU student is trying to say.

Now people who only have personal ties with the killings can respond negatively to something like this? Or only people personally connected to them can still feel some kind of emotional respone to what happened?

That dick made a general statement basically implying that he thinks the students at VA Tech...not which students or which people or any of the stuff you just pulled out of your ass for that post, but all of them...are only trying to be "trendy" in any grief or sorrow they still show over the killings. He didn't say anything even remotely close to what you tried to spin it to.

I love how you think that he has some kind of insightful point after this nugget where he spells out exactly why he said what you're trying to defend:

"It's not that it was funny," the student said of the costumes. "It's that we are notorious and infamous and very popular in the state college, so we have to do things that push the envelope just for shock value," he said.

You're absolutely unbelievable sometimes.

[Bulldogcakes]

There's no line. It's how the world works...choices we make causes people to react. That's it. Like the argument that humor somehow magically makes anything insulting OK, Halloween isn't some excuse to do or say whatever someone wants and nobody i allowed to respond negatively. If you go out of your way to be "shocking" or insulting simply for the sake of being shocking and insulting, don't be surprised when a lot of people react negatively. Halloween isn't "Hey, everyone can be a moronic anus Day."

Again, these people can wear whatever they want to their party. And people can respond however they want to seeing those costumes, whether they were there to see it or seeing it in a photo or seeing it online or seeing in a news report. Somebody who has nothing to do with them seeing that and saying "wow, those guys are assholes" deprives absolutely nobody of anything. Nothing is "lost", no non-existent "rights" are trampled...the world spins on. Some people think it's funny, some don't care, and some think it sucks.

I lay my trap for you, and you don't even have the decency to take the bait. You suck.

[Freakshow]

I used to spend many a weekend visiting my future wife up at Penn State and I can vouch for the fact that Penn State students are some of the biggest douchbags I've ever met (except for my lovely wife, of course.)

Hi. Class of 2000. Thanks to letting me know where I stand.


Looks at insensitive PSU supporting VT in their spring game (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/04/04-23-07tdc/04-23-07dnews-11.asp)
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/04/04-23-07tdc/04-23-07dnews-11b.jpg


Would have it been better if they dressed up as victims of the Penn State shooting? (http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/1996/09/18/Resources/Shooting.At.Penn.State.Leaves.One.Student.Dead-2175691.shtml)

[PhilDeez]

The Penn State student makes a point - are these people who are upset actually tied in with the victims? Or just tied in with the University? There's a gaping difference.

We've seen from 9/11 that people who have had nothing to do with the tragic event like to tie themselves into a situation. And I'm not saying that people from VT shouldn't be able to grieve. But... speaking as someone who was in High School when a student died tragically, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON CAMPUS tried to tie themselves into his life even though his circle of friends was really quite limited, I can totally see what the PSU student is trying to say.

I am enraged at your moronic posts - or attempts at being edgy - not working, just makes you come off as a complete ass.

I really could give two shits about your opinion, but you are coming off so blase about the situation it is ridiculous. 32 innocent people died while just trying to get an education, less than a year ago. I realize kids will be kids, but your continual defenses of the jabs at this tragedy are annoying. I know you think the situation is funny as you have made jokes about it on the board before. You have your right to think tragedy+time=comedy, as do I to assume moronic posts+jackass=DoucheBag.

By the way, Penn State was one of the most supportive schools to Va Tech after the tradegy, I could care less about the attempt at humor of an isolated group of students/kids.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am enraged at your moronic posts - or attempts at being edgy - not working, just makes you come off as a complete ass.

I really could give two shits about your opinion, but you are coming off so blase about the situation it is ridiculous. 32 innocent people died while just trying to get an education, less than a year ago. I realize kids will be kids, but your continual defenses of the jabs at this tragedy are annoying. I know you think the situation is funny as you have made jokes about it on the board before. You have your right to think tragedy+time=comedy, as do I to assume moronic posts+jackass=DoucheBag.

By the way, Penn State was one of the most supportive schools to Va Tech after the tradegy, I could care less about the attempt at humor of an isolated group of students/kids.

Then why are you even posting in this thread? Hypocrite. My entire point is that I don't care what these PSU kids did. Neither should VT. Fake outrage.

[PhilDeez]

Then why are you even posting in this thread? Hypocrite. My entire point is that I don't care what these PSU kids did. Neither should VT. Fake outrage.

I was enraged by your stupid posts, that's why I even responded. And ass, I don't have have fake outrage. Explain why I am a hypocrite for posting my displeasure at your comments.

[The Nature Boy]

I blame the blacks

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was enraged by your stupid posts, that's why I even responded. And ass, I don't have have fake outrage. Explain why I am a hypocrite for posting my displeasure at your comments.

because if you're expressing an opinion over my opinion of this fake outrage, then yes, you care.

I'm not saying these are the facts. I said there was a kernel of truth in what the PSU student said, idiot or not. People latch on to tragedy because they want to be a part of what happened, if they were affected or not.

[PhilDeez]

because if you're expressing an opinion over my opinion of this fake outrage, then yes, you care.

I'm not saying these are the facts. I said there was a kernel of truth in what the PSU student said, idiot or not. People latch on to tragedy because they want to be a part of what happened, if they were affected or not.


Okay, I really don't care what your opinion is. You are right; my posts are directed at your opinion so it would appear I do. I guess I didn't clarify in my first response, your posts - or opinion - annoyed me to the point I felt, for what ever reason, compelled to respond.
I am not trying to tie myself into the tragedy, rather it hit close to home, so I was forced into it. So forgive me if I was a bit testy towards you, the events of that day still resonate with with me. Also, I don't know you, so forgive me for calling you an ass and a douchbag.

[scottinnj]

because if you're expressing an opinion over my opinion of this fake outrage, then yes, you care.

I'm not saying these are the facts. I said there was a kernel of truth in what the PSU student said, idiot or not. People latch on to tragedy because they want to be a part of what happened, if they were affected or not.

Which still doesn't excuse these students at Penn State from the anger they have stirred up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Which still doesn't excuse these students at Penn State from the anger they have stirred up.

If you care about what dumb college students did six weeks ago for one night, and the context is a Halloween party, not some sort of glorification of the event in question, you have priority issues.

I feel sympathy for the VT victims and their families. But for some reason, this reminds me of the furor that was stirred up when a 9/11 Widow got a boob job with some of the money she got from the donation fund. I know it's two completely different situations, but still.

Nobody made any money. Nobody was shoving it in VT's face. It was dumb kids being dumb kids on a holiday where being shocking and outrageous is OK. Someone had to seek these pictures out. It's not like they were posted all over the VT website or something.

EDIT: My point is this: This is something that people's lives do not deserve to be ruined over, or at least given a major setback to. As we've seen before, media-generated fake outrage is VERY capable of doing something like that.

[badmonkey]

That's the great thing about this country. Anybody and everybody is free to be an asshole and anybody and everybody is free to react to it.

If you choose to express yourself by engaging publicly in shocking/edgy/offensive/racist/etc behavior that pisses off lots of people because you think it's funny, please hold still while those people express themselves publicly by kicking the shit out of you. If you can't hold still then at least have the decency to not be surprised that your being assaulted. Try to remember that tragedy+time=comedy and you'll be laughing your ass off about it in 6 months or so even if you're not completely healed.

[Dougie Brootal]

im gonna go ahead and say yes these kids are assholes, and yes it may be a little too soon, but they havent broken any laws or campus rules so they should not be punished. called out for their "asshole-iness" (TM MojoPin 2007) and maybe beaten up. but suspended or expelled? no way.

dear sweet jesus, did i just agree with mojo? i feel so dirty.

[FUNKMAN]

they must have ate paint chips when they were kids

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's the great thing about this country. Anybody and everybody is free to be an asshole and anybody and everybody is free to react to it.

If you choose to express yourself by engaging publicly in shocking/edgy/offensive/racist/etc behavior that pisses off lots of people because you think it's funny, please hold still while those people express themselves publicly by kicking the shit out of you. If you can't hold still then at least have the decency to not be surprised that your being assaulted. Try to remember that tragedy+time=comedy and you'll be laughing your ass off about it in 6 months or so even if you're not completely healed.

There's a difference between public broadcasting and a specific group on Facebook. You have to seek that material out. What the VT people doing are essentially worse than that Sharpton's people did.

And yes, they are being edgy and tasteless. But this furor has the potential to wreck lives for a simple joke among friends. Do you think the people they were hanging out with found it offensive? Maybe, maybe not. BUT THIS IS MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE.

What about the girl in the picture who posed with the guy? She's guilty by proxy now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

im gonna go ahead and say yes these kids are assholes, and yes it may be a little too soon, but they havent broken any laws or campus rules so they should not be punished. called out for their "asshole-iness" (TM MojoPin 2007) and maybe beaten up. but suspended or expelled? no way.

dear sweet jesus, did i just agree with mojo? i feel so dirty.

Doesn't fucking matter. Cat is out of the bag. As soon as their names are out, a google search by any potential employer will FUCK THEM OVER.

[badmonkey]

There's a difference between public broadcasting and a specific group on Facebook. You have to seek that material out. What the VT people doing are essentially worse than that Sharpton's people did.

And yes, they are being edgy and tasteless. But this furor has the potential to wreck lives for a simple joke among friends. Do you think the people they were hanging out with found it offensive? Maybe, maybe not. BUT THIS IS MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE.

What about the girl in the picture who posed with the guy? She's guilty by proxy now.

Who said anything about broadcasting? They went out in public dressed that way. You've got to be kidding comparing this to Sharpton's people. It's way more likely that somebody found it by accident, found it offensive, and showed it to more people who found it offensive and eventually it became news.

What exactly do you mean about "MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE"? It may have happened six weeks ago, but it was just brought up recently and I'm sure the outrage is real. By your logic, it's perfectly acceptable for your wife/gf to sleep around as long as she waits six weeks to tell you about it. If you get pissed off about it six weeks after it happened, it will be "MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE"

"That's the problem with college students," he continued. "They all live in an ivory tower of privilege. They don't understand, when it all boils down to it, it's someone wearing a costume."

The sad thing is that this kid doesn't even realize he's an asshole.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Who said anything about broadcasting? They went out in public dressed that way. You've got to be kidding comparing this to Sharpton's people. It's way more likely that somebody found it by accident, found it offensive, and showed it to more people who found it offensive and eventually it became news.

What exactly do you mean about "MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE"? It may have happened six weeks ago, but it was just brought up recently and I'm sure the outrage is real. By your logic, it's perfectly acceptable for your wife/gf to sleep around as long as she waits six weeks to tell you about it. If you get pissed off about it six weeks after it happened, it will be "MANUFACTURED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIX WEEKS GONE"



The sad thing is that this kid doesn't even realize he's an asshole.

Look, I'm not going to argue semantics, but if you want to argue, Your "found it by accident, found it offensive, showed it to more people and it became news" is EXACTLY how the Imus mess started. Someone heard it, made a big stink, and it flipped into the news.

The difference here is it's a lot harder to find stupid facebook pictures than it would be to hear Imus' show.

Why is this news because someone was an asshole? Why should these kids be crucified because someone wants to remind us what happened at VT and why we should feel sorry?

This is an example of our society becoming too PC and too sensitive. This should NOT be news. And now because it is, peoples lives are ruined.


Here's an example. This and other 202-related websites are FILLED with offensive jokes, comments and photoshops. By your thinking, do you have the right to fuck with those people's jobs and real lives because of their "online persona" or something that happens one night a year?

[MikeB]

Look, I'm not going to argue semantics, but if you want to argue, Your "found it by accident, found it offensive, showed it to more people and it became news" is EXACTLY how the Imus mess started. Someone heard it, made a big stink, and it flipped into the news.

The difference here is it's a lot harder to find stupid facebook pictures than it would be to hear Imus' show.

Why is this news because someone was an asshole? Why should these kids be crucified because someone wants to remind us what happened at VT and why we should feel sorry?

This is an example of our society becoming too PC and too sensitive. This should NOT be news. And now because it is, peoples lives are ruined.


Here's an example. This and other 202-related websites are FILLED with offensive jokes, comments and photoshops. By your thinking, do you have the right to fuck with those people's jobs and real lives because of their "online persona" or something that happens one night a year?


Dolphin Crash

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I love how some people presume to know whether your feelings are "real" or "fake" when they don't know jack dick about anyone other than themselves. Matty, I like ya as a person, but this opinion of yours is a bit far fetched. You are merely applying your life experience of whatever went on in college to every other tragedy experienced at college universities- because one student died and your campus didn't go into prolonged mourning= anyone who mourns differently is not the one true way of mourning and thereby are "fake". Sorry to call ya out, but that's shit logic. I don't buy that logic when religions spew it about other religions, so I'm not going to be convinced by the same argument with a different label. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree :flush:

This kind of shit always pisses me off because it's the stupidest shit in the world when some zitz-addled fuckstick decides to plug 50 people because he thinks he's so unique in his suffering or idolizes famous murderers.

I was disgusted and furious about Columbine hours before I learned that a friend was involved in the shootings- so every time I've ever been pissed off at school shootings it happened where I had no personal connections to the actual events. I think it's personally disgusting to see these things trivilized and exploited by people for a cheap laugh- that's my personal line, I don't force it on anyone but it does make a difference for me in whether I like someone or not. It's far from motherfucking fake - maybe the media is fake, but individuals getting angry is a totally different story. Fuck the student who is quoted in the paper, he's a douchebag who probably thinks he's exposing something.

And I fully believe time + tragedy = funny, but this shit isn't even a year old. This is just tasteless arrogance more than it is comedy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I love how some people presume to know whether your feelings are "real" or "fake" when they don't know jack dick about anyone other than themselves. Matty, I like ya as a person, but this opinion of yours is a bit far fetched. You are merely applying your life experience of whatever went on in college to every other tragedy experienced at college universities- because one student died and your campus didn't go into prolonged mourning= anyone who mourns differently is not the one true way of mourning and thereby are "fake". Sorry to call ya out, but that's shit logic. I don't buy that logic when religions spew it about other religions, so I'm not going to be convinced by the same argument with a different label. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree :flush:

This kind of shit always pisses me off because it's the stupidest shit in the world when some zitz-addled fuckstick decides to plug 50 people because he thinks he's so unique in his suffering or idolizes famous murderers.

I was disgusted and furious about Columbine hours before I learned that a friend was involved in the shootings- so every time I've ever been pissed off at school shootings it happened where I had no personal connections to the actual events. I think it's personally disgusting to see these things trivilized and exploited by people for a cheap laugh- that's my personal line, I don't force it on anyone but it does make a difference for me in whether I like someone or not. It's far from motherfucking fake - maybe the media is fake, but individuals getting angry is a totally different story. Fuck the student who is quoted in the paper, he's a douchebag who probably thinks he's exposing something.

And I fully believe time + tragedy = funny, but this shit isn't even a year old. This is just tasteless arrogance more than it is comedy.

I'm not saying that it's not offensive. What I'm upset about is the attempt to ruin people's lives. People can find it offensive. You move on.


The point:

Is this REALLY worth ruining two people's lives over?

and

Why is this news?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

As for the whole Imus/Mike Vick/Duke Lacrosse style of argumentation about how the media is a bunch of witch-hunting motherfuckers who just want to stir the pot and be firebrands so they can get it on the TV and make money off of it all, YES THEY ARE. They lost their authenticity a long time ago when they decided they should focus solely on BAD news at all times of the day every day because it gets more ratings, thereby altering the media into a negativity-obsessed entertainment form that somehow still has the standards of "respectable" and "reliable" stamped upon it. I hate the news because they are one-sided vultures praying for tragedy to occur. I saw a news van camped out all day long in the Columbine parking lot during summer break- you know they were hoping something else would happen.

I also consider the news very important even though it's now a bastardized version of what it claims to be- objective with the purpose of informing the public rather than merely entertaining them. Even if we get a rather slanted view of what's happening out there, it still informs the public (albeit with a flair of mediocrity) which is better than if the public was not informed at all.

The whole objective news media idea lasted only 20 or so years anyway... bias and non-objectivity has always contaminated all news media presses in all its incarnations and centuries of existence. It's just more rampantly commercialized... it doesn't even have the purpose of serving someone's agenda anymore- it's all about making the best ratings and keeping people glued to their TVs. That's why they dig up this irrelevant shit and try to tag it as "important".

And hey, this forum's no better. The fact we have 4 pages of discussion makes us just as culpable because we're eating it up and talking about it. Guilty as charged, Your Honor.

[spoon]

God, you folks can be so predictable at times.

Like a Steve from Bayside call to the Fan?

[spoon]

Stop the presses.

And to think he was calling others predictable!? Ha!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm not saying that it's not offensive. What I'm upset about is the attempt to ruin people's lives. People can find it offensive. You move on.


The point:

Is this REALLY worth ruining two people's lives over?

and

Why is this news?



(1): It's worth a punch in the face if someone who lost somebody in the shootings came across them in their costumes at the time- other than that, it's not worth even acknowledging anymore. I still think they're idiots, but since I don't know any of them it's not my business to think about them beyond this conversation.

(2): It shouldn't be. See above post.

[ScottFromGA]

should they be punished? yes....


simple answer....They should know better.


knowing that simple rule made me the person I am today, I don't find this funny at all.

[spoon]

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I believe they call that their "Toilet" in the great WV.

[spoon]

The context of these pictures aren't a re-enactment of VT or a Harmony Korine style "shocker" context. The shot of the guy is just posing with a chick, and the girl just looks drunk. the public pictures aren't "Ohhhhh, we're making frun of VT", the pics are "Hey! It's my Halloween party, there's Bobby and Jessica!"

They did it to be witty/shocking and it was fucking lame at best. They can do what they want as long as it's within the laws of our society. However, they can't cry when they get the reaction they knew they would and whatever results from it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

(1): It's worth a punch in the face if someone who lost somebody in the shootings came across them in their costumes at the time- other than that, it's not worth even acknowledging anymore. I still think they're idiots, but since I don't know any of them it's not my business to think about them beyond this conversation.

(2): It shouldn't be. See above post.

Point 1: That goes back to my original post that this wasn't at VT. It wasn't shoved in VT's face. It's not like people went to a VT Halloween party dressed like that. It's pictures from a private Halloween party where ostensibly, everyone knew each other and people knew that there wouldn't be any emotional ambush. The pics were put up on the web without thinking about them being offensive content (going back to my Harmony Korine allegory) - the point was "pics from my halloween party", not "FUCK YOU VT, HERE ARE SOME PICS, BAHAHAHAHA!" Plus the fact is that someone from VT had to go and seek out those pictures. Going back to my point that this is manufactured. (Which was part of the Imus thing - instead of saying, "Fuck it, whatever," they HAD to make a big deal out of this)

The people from VT have turned this into a tragedy against mankind, that EVERYONE should be outraged over this. Yes, the kids were being dopey college kids. Should they be crucified because they showed bad judgment and someone who THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW get their feelings hurt? No.

Is what happened at VT tragic? Yes. Should we have sympathy? Yes. Should we be outraged over these pics? No. Should these kids be punished? Not in the slightest. If Penn State even TOUCHES these kids, and as long as the Halloween party was not on Campus, sick the ACLU on them IMMEDIATELY.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Point 1: That goes back to my original post that this wasn't at VT. It wasn't shoved in VT's face. It's not like people went to a VT Halloween party dressed like that. It's pictures from a private Halloween party where ostensibly, everyone knew each other and people knew that there wouldn't be any emotional ambush. The pics were put up on the web without thinking about them being offensive content (going back to my Harmony Korine allegory) - the point was "pics from my halloween party", not "FUCK YOU VT, HERE ARE SOME PICS, BAHAHAHAHA!" Plus the fact is that someone from VT had to go and seek out those pictures. Going back to my point that this is manufactured. (Which was part of the Imus thing - instead of saying, "Fuck it, whatever," they HAD to make a big deal out of this)

The people from VT have turned this into a tragedy against mankind, that EVERYONE should be outraged over this. Yes, the kids were being dopey college kids. Should they be crucified because they showed bad judgment and someone who THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW get their feelings hurt? No.

Is what happened at VT tragic? Yes. Should we have sympathy? Yes. Should we be outraged over these pics? No. Should these kids be punished? Not in the slightest. If Penn State even TOUCHES these kids, and as long as the Halloween party was not on Campus, sick the ACLU on them IMMEDIATELY.

The people at VT are entitled to have their agendas and feelings about how the rest of the world should react to their tragedy as well as all families involved. God knows, that's everyone's right and entitlement. Trying to force people to think like you is a different story, and that's where I agree with you in that while they are entitled to hate these kids and if they saw them, to kick their asses, they are NOT entitled to make these students' lives a living hell. Not that I've read anywhere that such measures are being taken anyway beyond the hypothetical conjectures being lobbed in this thread.

If the ACLU defended the KKK and Neo Nazis (or so I think, I could be totally wrong about that), why the hell not these kids? But I still think they're lame douches who did this to create a stir even if they didn't intend for it to get out of hand, but they're educated college students and it's 2007 where even 90 year olds know about the Internet, so this may well have been calculated to make the news eventually- at the very least, they were most likely aware of it- or else they truly are as stupid as their notions of what constitutes risque humor.

Fuck 'em, if people think they're assholes for awhile, that's a deserved thing. Interfering with their lives in any serious prolonged way (beyond aforementioned momentary discomfort of a fist in the face) is naturally wrong.

[sailor]

they are entitled to hate these kids and if they saw them, to kick their asses



i doubt you're entitled to kick people's asses for hurting your feelings.

[Bulldogcakes]

Like a Steve from Bayside call to the Fan?

I'll have you know I slipped in a 72 Dolphins call to MadDog this past Saturday which had a boxing reference. So there.

[spoon]

I'll have you know I slipped in a 72 Dolphins call to MadDog this past Saturday which had a boxing reference. So there.

That's bc you're just afraid of being laughed at again! I wish they would read your posts in the yankee thread too! And to think Mike is a yank fan too! :lol:

[CofyCrakCocaine]

i doubt you're entitled to kick people's asses for hurting your feelings.

There are some laws the Law doesn't adequately cover.

[PhilDeez]

[QUOTE=Tenbatsuzen;1542803]

The people from VT have turned this into a tragedy against mankind, that EVERYONE should be outraged over this. QUOTE]

No, the same media that you crucify for blowing things out of proportion has made this tragedy one against all mankind. I can assure you no one involved with the situation, or at the school, or in the state has tried to over exaggerate or hype this horrific event.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

[QUOTE=Tenbatsuzen;1542803]

The people from VT have turned this into a tragedy against mankind, that EVERYONE should be outraged over this. QUOTE]

No, the same media that you crucify for blowing things out of proportion has made this tragedy one against all mankind. I can assure you no one involved with the situation, or at the school, or in the state has tried to over exaggerate or hype this horrific event.

I think he was referring specifically to just the Penn State kids, not the actual VT event. I've been wrong before tho.

[PhilDeez]

[QUOTE=PhilDeez;1542836]

I think he was referring specifically to just the Penn State kids, not the actual VT event. I've been wrong before tho.

After looking back, I think you are probably right.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My comments were about VT blowing up the Halloween incident out of proportion, not VT actually blowing the Massacre out of proportion.

[Bulldogcakes]

That's bc you're just afraid of being laughed at again! I wish they would read your posts in the yankee thread too! And to think Mike is a yank fan too! :lol:

When was I ever laughed at?

[TheMojoPin]

My comments were about VT blowing up the Halloween incident out of proportion, not VT actually blowing the Massacre out of proportion.

Which is still false. If anyone is "guilty" of false outrage in regards to al of this, it's you.

Statements like this...

The people from VT have turned this into a tragedy against mankind, that EVERYONE should be outraged over this.

...are completely false. Please show me where "the people from VT" en masse are trying to turn this into a major issue or get these kids punished. Please show me how this has turned into a MAJOR news story...because it hasn't. It's getting nowhere near the coverage and outrae and heat that you're constantly going on about. You're trying to prop these kids up as being pseudo-victims caught up some kind of insane firestorm of abuse and media scrutiny, and that's simply not happening.

Yes, this was picked up on a relatively minor national level because it ties directly in with the biggest domestic news story (minus anything out of DC) this year. Yes, of course some yammering talking heads glommed on to it, as they do with pratically anything. No, it hasn't erupted into anything major and ongoing.

This was a "news" story in the sense of, "hey, look at these jackasses" and that's it.

[MikeB]

Did anyone actually see the news report that was on druge where they interview the guy from the picture? The kid was an ass that no doubt wanted it to be blown up.

[spoon]

When was I ever laughed at?

I know Kev, Snoogs and I did!

[NewYorkDragons80]

One of my co-worker's kid goes to VT, I expect her to be thoroughly pissed off come Monday.

Yeah, somebody thought this was funny, but WTF? Why think taking pictures and posting them on the web is a good idea?

One group of people make tasteless and insensitive Halloween costumes. Another group of people wants to stir up synthetic rage and distributes photos of said costumes to victims and their loved ones/acquaintances who would have never been exposed to them otherwise. Who's the bigger dick?

[TheMojoPin]

Synthetic rage?

I have enough to worry about without furious robots being added to the mix.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Synthetic rage?

I have enough to worry about without furious robots being added to the mix.
http://www.robot.net/qrio/images/sony_13.jpg

[badmonkey]

Synthetic rage?

I have enough to worry about without furious robots being added to the mix.

Do you have stairs in your house? Please go stand by the stairs so they can protect you.
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[Bulldogcakes]

I know Kev, Snoogs and I did!

That doesn't count. You guys were stoned.

[ralphbxny]

I just wanted to see if Matty had shit in someone elses hat!

[reillyluck]

I just wanted to see if Matty had shit in someone elses hat!

:lol:

[scottinnj]

HTF can a simple no-brainer topic like this get to what is now post 107? Jesus Christ, I wish I could make an epic thread like this.


Well,

when at first you don't suceed, try try again is what I say!

[Team_Ramrod]

College kids these days....

Such jokers.