HUCKABEE is DONE

[MikeB]

HUCKABEE WANTED TO ISOLATE AIDS PATIENTS
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids)

[KnoxHarrington]

It was obvious this was going to happen as soon as he became seen as a viable candidate and people started looking at what he really believes.

He's a religious fascist, and all his jokes and stale Chuck Norris lines can't cover that.

[Fezticle98]

You really think he's done because of this story? It broke on a Saturday and is not going to generate the firestorm that you think.

A lot of the base probably agrees with what he wrote back in '92, or at least understands it.

[TheMojoPin]

If he had sad thi in say, 1982 as opposed to 1992, MAYBE it would be more understandale given how new the disease was at the time...but to be saying that kind of stuff by 1992, with all we knew about AIDS and HIV at that point, it just makes him look moronic.

[epo]

I would agree with Knox on this one that Huckabee has skated for free for quite awhile. Now that he's viewed as a threat, he'll get bombarded until the Iowa caucus.

And like Mojo....to say that in 1992? Fucking crazytalk. That will definitely get used by his opponents into a talking point of "Huckabee has poor judgement, look at this track record".

[cupcakelove]

I think the people that would vote for him aren't going to care about this stuff.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think the people that would vote for him aren't going to care about this stuff.

Yeah, but just those people can't elect a President, thankfully.

I think the Republican party is going to pay for giving the religious right the keys to the party, and are headed for an assbeating of historic proportions next year.

[epo]

Yeah, but just those people can't elect a President, thankfully.

I think the Republican party is going to pay for giving the religious right the keys to the party, and are headed for an assbeating of historic proportions next year.

As a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party I want to believe that, but refuse to. Until proven otherwise, it will be another hard-fought election. If the Dems think otherwise, we are gonna fumble this one away.

[scottinnj]

"The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his fourth term"

I guess there is something to that phrase "silence is golden"

[JohnWC]

I think the people that would vote for him aren't going to care about this stuff.

Exactly.

[Fezticle98]

I guess there is something to that phrase "silence is golden"

I'm sure Huckabee regrets it now, but I doubt the questionnaire made any headlines in Arkansas in 1992. It's unlikely that his loss in that election had anything to do with him filling it out. If anything, he probably thought that running against the incumbent, he needed as much exposure as possible, so he decided to respond.

[lleeder]

I think he had AIDS confused with the Shanti Virus.

[sailor]

15 years ago he had a mildly controversial response to a questionnaire? wow.

[Doctor Z]

Like he ever had a shot.

[TheMojoPin]

15 years ago he had a mildly controversial response to a questionnaire? wow.

A lot of times these various "little things" help shape the bg picture of the person running for office. I'm always quite curious why people dismiss questionable issues in a candidate's past unless it's some kind of giant, slam dunk revelation. AIDS and HIV treatment and research are still important issues facing this country and the world, so it's definitely something that you'd want to know your president's take on. Again, he was saying this in 1992...over a decade after the disease emerged on the public scene a we know very much about it, and he's responding to it as if it's some unknown plague that requires massive quarantines...yet he's also saying that maybe the government is spending too much money on research into it. Those ideas are incrediby conflicting and both are very ridiculous.

[KnoxHarrington]

And that position was not "mildly controversial" in 1992, by the way. It was pretty much as controversial as it is now, at least amongst non-dumbfucks.

[sailor]

A lot of times these various "little things" help shape the bg picture of the person running for office. I'm always quite curious why people dismiss questionable issues in a candidate's past unless it's some kind of giant, slam dunk revelation. AIDS and HIV treatment and research are still important issues facing this country and the world, so it's definitely something that you'd want to know your president's take on. Again, he was saying this in 1992...over a decade after the disease emerged on the public scene a we know very much about it, and he's responding to it as if it's some unknown plague that requires massive quarantines...yet he's also saying that maybe the government is spending too much money on research into it. Those ideas are incrediby conflicting and both are very ridiculous.

my point is it's nowhere near his stance now-a-days, whatever your view of him is.

And that position was not "mildly controversial" in 1992, by the way. It was pretty much as controversial as it is now, at least amongst non-dumbfucks.

name calling accomplishes so much.

[TheMojoPin]

my point is it's nowhere near his stance now-a-days, whatever your view of him is.

But it's still reflective of how slow he can be to the table. There's really no excuse to be that clueless about such a major issue that long after it had become a major issue.

[epo]

But it's still reflective of how slow he can be to the table. There's really no excuse to be that clueless about such a major issue that long after it had become a major issue.

Exactly. Let's put this together:


Initial judgements bad.
Slow to change based upon evidence.


Who does that sound like to you? No wonder the evangelicals love this guy!

[HBox]

He could still have this position and it would help him in the Republican Primary.

[spoon]

He could still have this position and it would help him in the Republican Primary.


Soooo sad, but true. Man I miss Stewart and Colbert when shit like this breaks. You know they'd just love to cover this one!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mojo, AIDS was nowhere near "known" around 82, it was still known as GRIDS at that point.

In 92, AIDS awareness was still blooming. It took Magic's admission in November 91 and Mercury's death later that month for it to really get out there.

We KNEW of it, but in 1992, we were still a lot more scared shitless of it than we are today.

[Freakshow]

Soooo sad, but true. Man I miss Stewart and Colbert when shit like this breaks. You know they'd just love to cover this one!

Colbert gave him the 'Colbert bump,' which has was around the start of his surge. He would probably have him on the defend himself, which he has done with everything else thrown at him until this point.

Like he ever had a shot.

Yes, but just because he doesn't have money. It has very, very little to do with actual issues.

[scottinnj]

A lot of times these various "little things" help shape the bg picture of the person running for office. I'm always quite curious why people dismiss questionable issues in a candidate's past unless it's some kind of giant, slam dunk revelation. AIDS and HIV treatment and research are still important issues facing this country and the world, so it's definitely something that you'd want to know your president's take on. Again, he was saying this in 1992...over a decade after the disease emerged on the public scene a we know very much about it, and he's responding to it as if it's some unknown plague that requires massive quarantines...yet he's also saying that maybe the government is spending too much money on research into it. Those ideas are incrediby conflicting and both are very ridiculous.


We as a country were still really hyped up about AIDS back then, and the disease was directly tied to homosexuality. A lot of Americans hadn't heard that AIDS was spreading (rapidly) through the heterosexual community as well. There were a lot of celebrities getting infected with the HIV virus, Magic Johnson and Eazy-E (who died of complications due to having full blown AIDS) as examples. This was still a "gay" disease in 1992 as far as most of the public was concerned, no matter their political affiliation.
There was a lot of controversy over President Clinton's decision to let gays openly serve in the military, even within his own party who at the time controlled both houses of Congress. If it were a "conservative" issue back then, President Clinton could have sailed his decision through. He didn't couldn't and compromised with "don't ask, don't tell".

Now this is not an endorsement of Huckabee's answers to the AP questions, but it is not a condemnation of them either. I'm just saying that in 1992 even after 10 years of AIDS we as a country were still not up to speed about the disease.

I know I changed my views on things, I would wonder what Huckabee's evolution has been on these issues.

[DolaMight]

Huckabee has recently experienced rapid weight loss. When it comes to homophobia, the republicans have shown to be hypocritical in some cases. I'm just sayin maybe...

[patsopinion]

HUCKABEE WANTED TO ISOLATE AIDS PATIENTS
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids)

you couldnt be more wrong
a-the story is easily spinable when put into context
b-thats what his entire party believes
c-it will actually end up being a selling point(religious motivated bigots love other religious motivated bigots

[Freakshow]

you couldnt be more wrong

b-thats what his entire party believes


This is scariest thing i've read in this whole thread.

Whatever you need need to keep that hate going, man.

[badmonkey]

you couldnt be more wrong
a-the story is easily spinable when put into context
b-thats what his entire party believes
c-it will actually end up being a selling point(religious motivated bigots love other religious motivated bigots

This is scariest thing i've read in this whole thread.

Whatever you need need to keep that hate going, man.

I enjoyed c as well. Now I just gotta find a regular church to attend so I can be told who to hate and what my role will be in keeping them down.

[SniperDudeMJS]

As a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party I want to believe that, but refuse to. Until proven otherwise, it will be another hard-fought election. If the Dems think otherwise, we are gonna fumble this one away.

As a card-carrying member of the Republican Party, I think Epo is one smart cookie. I also think both parties are in for one hell of a fight, mainly because I think the country is nearly evenly divided on most of these issues. Where there are majority opinions in the country, the margins are pretty slim for either side. Maybe that's not such a bad thing. The Founding Fathers wanted government to be slow and inefficient because they feared it. They also feared what could happen to minority opinions when too many people joined the majority.

[torker]

you couldnt be more wrong
a-the story is easily spinable when put into context
b-thats what his entire party believes
c-it will actually end up being a selling point(religious motivated bigots love other religious motivated bigots
http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/baldwin_glengarry_glen_ross-1.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

We as a country were still really hyped up about AIDS back then, and the disease was directly tied to homosexuality. A lot of Americans hadn't heard that AIDS was spreading (rapidly) through the heterosexual community as well. There were a lot of celebrities getting infected with the HIV virus, Magic Johnson and Eazy-E (who died of complications due to having full blown AIDS) as examples. This was still a "gay" disease in 1992 as far as most of the public was concerned, no matter their political affiliation.
There was a lot of controversy over President Clinton's decision to let gays openly serve in the military, even within his own party who at the time controlled both houses of Congress. If it were a "conservative" issue back then, President Clinton could have sailed his decision through. He didn't couldn't and compromised with "don't ask, don't tell".

Now this is not an endorsement of Huckabee's answers to the AP questions, but it is not a condemnation of them either. I'm just saying that in 1992 even after 10 years of AIDS we as a country were still not up to speed about the disease.

We were light years beyond what Huckabee was clearly aware of at the time.

[epo]

We were light years beyond what Huckabee was clearly aware of at the time.

Or now.

Huckabee stands by AIDS Statement (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee;_ylt=AmiFlFVQfN4eS8IdHBe82.Ss0NUE)

Huckabee acknowledged the prevailing scientific view then, and since, that the virus that causes AIDS is not spread through casual contact, but said that was not certain.

[scottinnj]

Or now.

Huckabee stands by AIDS Statement (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee;_ylt=AmiFlFVQfN4eS8IdHBe82.Ss0NUE)



This is the part of the story that gets me-Guiliani's words of wisdom:

Giuliani, who appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press," said in response to a question that he did not believe homosexuality was aberrant.

"The way somebody leads their life isn't sinful. It's the acts," said Giuliani, who supports gay rights and lived with an openly gay couple after separating from his second wife while mayor. "It's the various acts that people perform that are sinful, not the orientation that they have."

That's dishonesty to both social liberals and religious conservatives. If you believe being gay is not sinful, then how can you explain the sexual activity is sinful?

That's like saying that if I want to cheat on my wife, I'm okay, until I actually goto a bar and pick up a woman and actually cheat.

[TheMojoPin]

And that man has done his share of sinnin'.

[HBox]

This is the part of the story that gets me-Guiliani's words of wisdom:



That's dishonesty to both social liberals and religious conservatives. If you believe being gay is not sinful, then how can you explain the sexual activity is sinful?

That's like saying that if I want to cheat on my wife, I'm okay, until I actually goto a bar and pick up a woman and actually cheat.

It makes PERFECT SENSE. Wanting to rape somebody? That's not a sin. There's nothing even wrong with that! That's perfectly normal. Raping somebody, now that's a sin. And a crime in most states.

[NewYorkDragons80]

HUCKABEE WANTED TO ISOLATE AIDS PATIENTS
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids)
Done? I didn't know he ever started. Huckabee's riding a freak surge that we always see leading into early primaries. Any numbers we see is curiosity, not support. This is a race between McCain, Giuliani, and Romney, period.

[epo]

Done? I didn't know he ever started. Huckabee's riding a freak surge that we always see leading into early primaries. Any numbers we see is curiosity, not support. This is a race between McCain, Giuliani, and Romney, period.

I would agree & disagree with you on that one.

Yes, Huckabee was probably riding a freakish surge that caused an unnatural curiousity. Many of his supporters did not get ample opportunity to see his underbelly until now.

But saying this is a McCain/Guiliani/Romney only race is kinda weird. It's the weakness of those frontrunners that made Huckabee possible and furthermore make that crazy sombitch Ron Paul possible.

There is a great discontent in the Republican Party and I don't see any of these guys filling this void.

[DonInNC]

It's amazed me that Huckabee hasn't gotten more support all along. He's exactly what the religious right want.

[pennington]

But saying this is a McCain/Guiliani/Romney only race is kinda weird. It's the weakness of those frontrunners that made Huckabee possible and furthermore make that crazy sombitch Ron Paul possible.

Don't forget, this is IOWA we're talking about here. Have you ever been there? I can see why a Baptist preacher/former governor of Arkansas would be more popular there than someone from NY or Mass. McCain did himself in with immigration.

[badmonkey]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/h/C/harvey_in_court1.jpg
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/iaphotos05/huckabeewfp2f.jpg

Anybody else notice the resemblance?

[HBox]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/h/C/harvey_in_court1.jpg
http://www.gwu.edu/%7Eaction/2008/iaphotos05/huckabeewfp2f.jpg

Anybody else notice the resemblance?

Wrong Hanna Barbara character.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2093/droopyiq2.gif

[Grendel_Kahn]

In all honesty this is a nowhere story. The people he is hoping to represent agree with this line of tripe in the here and now, let alone in 1992. Was it Tancredo, or Frist who said he wasn't sure if you could catch AIDS from tears? I forget. I think it was Frist with the irony being that he is a doctor. We all have to realise that the people deep in the red states are holding progress and social change back. WAAAAYYYYY back. It's head in the sand I LOVE JESUS, 9/11 was bad nonsense. Huckabee has always been on my "douchebag list" ever since he refused to weigh in on the WEST MEMPHIS 3 case.

[Grendel_Kahn]

I would agree & disagree with you on that one.

Yes, Huckabee was probably riding a freakish surge that caused an unnatural curiousity. Many of his supporters did not get ample opportunity to see his underbelly until now.

But saying this is a McCain/Guiliani/Romney only race is kinda weird. It's the weakness of those frontrunners that made Huckabee possible and furthermore make that crazy sombitch Ron Paul possible.

There is a great discontent in the Republican Party and I don't see any of these guys filling this void.

There might be a Ron Paul thread in here somewhere.................

[Grendel_Kahn]

Sorry to post whore. I just saw this story over on Drudge and I wanted to share.

[URL="http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/jonesboro/afhuckabee08.asp"]

[badmonkey]

In all honesty this is a nowhere story. The people he is hoping to represent agree with this line of tripe in the here and now, let alone in 1992. Was it Tancredo, or Frist who said he wasn't sure if you could catch AIDS from tears? I forget. I think it was Frist with the irony being that he is a doctor. We all have to realise that the people deep in the red states are holding progress and social change back. WAAAAYYYYY back. It's head in the sand I LOVE JESUS, 9/11 was bad nonsense. Huckabee has always been on my "douchebag list" ever since he refused to weigh in on the WEST MEMPHIS 3 case.

Staten Island... is that a jewish, irish, italian, dominican, puerto rican, mexican, spanish, jamaican, haitian, or arab neighborhood or is it also divided up into neighborhoods by both race and nationality? Huckabee didn't weigh in on the West Memphis 3, although it happened in 1993 and he wasn't governor of Arkansas until 1996. Hell... Bill Clinton called it a troubling case and yet he pardoned convicted cocaine dealers on his way out of the Presidency but "didn't weigh in on the West Memphis 3" when he could have pardoned them as well. If only they'd had the 200k each for the pardons, Bill might have hooked them up. Talk about fake outrage or is Clinton also on your douchebag list?

9/11 wasn't bad? Oh... right... red state... i get it.

http://www.princeton.edu/~petehill/time-election-map-1996.jpg

[Freakshow]

Done? I didn't know he ever started. Huckabee's riding a freak surge that we always see leading into early primaries. Any numbers we see is curiosity, not support. This is a race between McCain, Giuliani, and Romney, period.

McCain is still in the race? I completely forgot.

I think he has a strange shot at this thing. People love to vote for people from Hope, who rise above humble circumstances to become Governor of Arkansas.

And he's polling in second place nationally if you haven't been paying attention.

[epo]

McCain is still in the race? I completely forgot.

I think he has a strange shot at this thing. People love to vote for people from Hope, who rise above humble circumstances to become Governor of Arkansas.

And he's polling in second place nationally if you haven't been paying attention.

National polls are kinda useless in the primary/caucus season.

The question should be how is he doing in Iowa, NH & S. Carolina?

BTW...don't count McCain out yet. I know this sounds weird, but he looks to have gotten a second wind. I'm totally shocked by it as I thought he was finished 2 months ago.

[Freakshow]

National polls are kinda useless in the primary/caucus season.

The question should be how is he doing in Iowa, NH & S. Carolina?

BTW...don't count McCain out yet. I know this sounds weird, but he looks to have gotten a second wind. I'm totally shocked by it as I thought he was finished 2 months ago.

He leads in Iowa and SC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/06/500510.aspx

[scottinnj]

Wanting to rape somebody? That's not a sin. There's nothing even wrong with that!

It's even a great goto punchline for Norton. I laugh every time. :clap: :lol:

[scottinnj]

BTW...don't count McCain out yet. I know this sounds weird, but he looks to have gotten a second wind. I'm totally shocked by it as I thought he was finished 2 months ago.


I know what you mean. I made a prediction at my office that he was going to be out and broke by August. He's got staying power, and as long as he is here, the more Romney and Guiliani pound on each other in the debates and in the media, the better he looks.

[scottinnj]

c-it will actually end up being a selling point(religious motivated bigots love other religious motivated bigots

I'll be sure to add you to the prayer list at our next meeting.
waka waka!

[epo]

He leads in Iowa and SC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/06/500510.aspx

Iowa is a weird animal. I'd be interested to see what his "second-choice" numbers are for the caucus, which makes it such a hard state to totally predict.

I'll admit that he's made quite a charge as the sleeper, but he's done so without any scrutiny. It will be interesting to see how strong his numbers are in a week, now that he's been bloodied.

[epo]

I know what you mean. I made a prediction at my office that he was going to be out and broke by August. He's got staying power, and as long as he is here, the more Romney and Guiliani pound on each other in the debates and in the media, the better he looks.

Scott, would you say part of that is that now you've got to "meet" the other candidates and haven't fallen in love, republicans still like McCain despite some of his terrible alliances in the past 4 years?

I say that because he seems to have gone back to the "Straight-Talkin' John" persona he rode in 1999. And it sure seems to be working..........

[Grendel_Kahn]

Staten Island... is that a jewish, irish, italian, dominican, puerto rican, mexican, spanish, jamaican, haitian, or arab neighborhood or is it also divided up into neighborhoods by both race and nationality? Huckabee didn't weigh in on the West Memphis 3, although it happened in 1993 and he wasn't governor of Arkansas until 1996. Hell... Bill Clinton called it a troubling case and yet he pardoned convicted cocaine dealers on his way out of the Presidency but "didn't weigh in on the West Memphis 3" when he could have pardoned them as well. If only they'd had the 200k each for the pardons, Bill might have hooked them up. Talk about fake outrage or is Clinton also on your douchebag list?

9/11 wasn't bad? Oh... right... red state... i get it.

http://www.princeton.edu/~petehill/time-election-map-1996.jpg

Actually Clinton has been on that list for 12 years. Ever since he gave in and signed Newts Contract On ...um....For America. Not to mention the WM3. Be that as it may, history will be very kind to the 8 years of unrivaled peace and prosperity across the land during his presidency.
Huckabee was asked DIRECTLY to intervene on this case as it pertained to the death penalty IN HIS STATE ON HIS WATCH. But they don't listen to Jesus music so they must be guilty right? I mean that's what they were arrested for in the first place right?

Staten Island is really not big enough to be divided up so sectionally. Every one of those races seem to live with and in some cases right on top of one another with out too much of a dust up. Unlike that crowning jewel of a melting pot D.C. is.

As far as your red state dig............... Traditional Red states are the ones holding back education on evolution, equal rights for gays, and are guilty of general hayseedery.

As far as 9/11 goes......I was there. I lost friends and family there, but I refuse to let that be the benchmark of my life. It would be a horrendous crime to remember them merely as victims and not as individuals. This carrying the standard around that we are a wounded country, that we are perpetual victims........THAT is what angers me. We need only look back at the lessons that HAVE NOT BEEN HEEDED from every other war/conflict this county has been involved in since WW2. Year after year we go out of our way AS A COUNTRY to pound home with one hand how helpless we are and scream for war with the other. Politicizing the issues and shifting bedfellows are what is wrong with our country. They are keeping you weak, and reaping the benefits of your complacency. Why is there no outrage over the never ending and ever shifting reasons for going into Iraq? What happened to "OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE"? Why have we let that man enter our national consciousness like some dark boogy man lurking around every corner? Because the money is in keeping you scared. But at the same time why are our ports STILL NOT secure? I can't even bring up immigration.

But 2 guys kissing are a national crisis. Not enough Jesus is what will help us fight Al Queda.

As an aside....why is it that all these Bible quoting Jesus carpetbaggers are ALL against abortion but not a one is against the death penalty? Life is life no? Fuck them all up their collective new testament asses.




( The use of the word "you" in this was in no way directed at any one person but used as the collective )

[scottinnj]

Scott, would you say part of that is that now you've got to "meet" the other candidates and haven't fallen in love, republicans still like McCain despite some of his terrible alliances in the past 4 years?

I say that because he seems to have gone back to the "Straight-Talkin' John" persona he rode in 1999. And it sure seems to be working..........


That's partly it. But also it's just that his base is so hardcore he still isn't broke, and is still hanging in there.

I do like McCain. But as a Senator. I'm still not on board with him because of his immigration stuff, and his campaign finance law.

I'm not ready to put in another president with a "messianic" complex like Bush. So no Huckabee.

I'm not in the Romney camp. Not because he's a Mormon, but because he is all over the place on issues. He's pro-life, he's pro-choice, he's against taxes but raised them in Massachusetts.....dare I say a "flip-flopper?"

Guiliani I like but can't vote for because of his faith in Bernard Kerik, and his weird statements on gays while being divorced and remarried 3 times. I like his rhetoric, but I just don't trust him.

I'm a conservative, and I am not in love with any of my party's candidates. You guys can almost at this time count on my vote if you all nominate Senator Obama.

I'm dead serious about that. My wife and I were talking about him, and even though he's promised to raise taxes and such and all the other liberal talking points he's said to get where he is in the primaries, we like his optimism for the country and the fact he isn't afraid to talk about issues. He has treated his opponents, both Democrat and Republican with respect, and I find that refreshing. He would be a good leader, even if he did some things I disagreed with.



And I'm religious, conservative and a card carrying Republican. And there are more like me then you might guess. Enough to guarantee an Obama win if nominated? Probably not, but compare us to the Democrats who voted for Reagan-twice-in the 80s and you'll see some similarities.

[Grendel_Kahn]

I do like McCain. But as a Senator. I'm still not on board with him because of his immigration stuff, and his campaign finance law.

That's really important. I think guys like Mccain and Ron Paul can do more good where they are. Unless you get the full support of the Congress behind you.....what can a president really do?

[badmonkey]

Actually Clinton has been on that list for 12 years.

*multiple lines of crazy talk snipped out for brevity*

( The use of the word "you" in this was in no way directed at any one person but used as the collective )

http://img.sparknotes.com/content/sparklife/sparktalk/instructoart_cuckoo.gif

:thumbup:

[Grendel_Kahn]

I can not even begin to say how hard that made me laugh. :clap: :surrender:

[badmonkey]

I can not even begin to say how hard that made me laugh. :clap: :surrender:

http://www.gonemovies.com/www/wanadoofilms/misdaad/GoodTommyMoeder.jpg

I make you laugh... I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?

:tongue:

[NewYorkDragons80]

McCain is still in the race? I completely forgot.

I think he has a strange shot at this thing. People love to vote for people from Hope, who rise above humble circumstances to become Governor of Arkansas.

And he's polling in second place nationally if you haven't been paying attention.
McCain has an excellent shot of winning NH, and an even better shot of winning SC. Winning those 2 early states really makes it a showdown with Rudy in the big states Rudy's been focusing on.

As a matter of fact, I have been paying attention, and that's why I explained away the Huckabee surge and expressed my opinion that his resurgence will not withstand the test of time.

[NewYorkDragons80]

That's really important. I think guys like Mccain and Ron Paul can do more good where they are. Unless you get the full support of the Congress behind you.....what can a president really do?
But Ron Paul and John McCain have credibility and a history within the legislature. They are both principled bi-partisans who can work with both parties. Who better to be president than McCain and Paul? By the way, I think they're the only candidates with military experience

[HBox]

But Ron Paul and John McCain have credibility and a history within the legislature. They are both principled bi-partisans who can work with both parties. Who better to be president than McCain and Paul? By the way, I think they're the only candidates with military experience

I think you're talking about McCain, and just about McCain.

I mean I'll give Ron Paul principled. But I wouldn't call him bipartisan.

[epo]

I think you're talking about McCain, and just about McCain.

I mean I'll give Ron Paul principled. But I wouldn't call him bipartisan.

Nor would I call him credible.

[Freakshow]

McCain has an excellent shot of winning NH, and an even better shot of winning SC. Winning those 2 early states really makes it a showdown with Rudy in the big states Rudy's been focusing on.

As a matter of fact, I have been paying attention, and that's why I explained away the Huckabee surge and expressed my opinion that his resurgence will not withstand the test of time.

I don't think you meant to use resurgence. That implies he was a frontrunner previously.


I love how a thread started as a angry rant has turned into a legit discussion. I'm pretty sure i've only seen it work in the other direction.

[scottinnj]

I love how a thread started as a angry rant has turned into a legit discussion. I'm pretty sure i've only seen it work in the other direction.


Alright then...


"NUKE THE LIBERALS AND KILL THE DOLPHINS AND PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY AND TURN THE MIDDLE EAST INTO GLASS AND SCREW PUTIN AND TELL CHAVEZ TO GOTO HELL AND HILLARY IS A CONTROL STOCKING WEARER AND And and and......"

Oh heck. I'm too tired right now.

[Yerdaddy]

In Poll, Huckabee Closes on Giuliani (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/11/AR2007121101621_pf.html)


As for the excuses for such a belief in 1992 - from the National Institute of Health: (http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/NN/Views/Exhibit/narrative/aids.html)

The Surgeon General's reports on Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or AIDS, showed the federal government's uncertain response to a new, deadly, and frightening epidemic. By educating Americans about the causes, transmission, consequences, and prevention of AIDS, the Surgeon General materially changed medical and public conceptions of the disease. Initially AIDS had been understood in analogy to catastrophic but cyclical outbreaks of the past, such as yellow fever, which had been fought with mandatory screening, quarantine, and other severe public health measures. The Surgeon General helped redefine AIDS as a chronic, preventable disease, best countered with voluntary screening and drug treatment, and one that allowed the full integration of carriers into society.

In June 1981, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), an agency of the U.S. Public Health Service, reported on five homosexual men admitted to Los Angeles hospitals with Pneumocystis carinii, an often fatal form of pneumonia so rare that few clinicians in the United States could identify it. A month later, the CDC reported on 26 cases of young homosexual men diagnosed with an equally rare form of cancer, Kaposi's sarcoma. Epidemiologists soon realized that these rare diseases were manifestations of a new, underlying, and contagious disease, soon called Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. AIDS was caused by a virus, identified in 1983 and now called Human Immunodeficiency Virus, which spread by blood or sexual contact, or through transmission during pregnancy. By the summer of 1985, nearly 12,000 cases of AIDS had been reported nationwide, with almost 6,000 deaths.

The first victims of AIDS were homosexual men and intravenous drug users. These findings enmeshed AIDS in the moral politics of the first Reagan administration. Reagan's domestic policy staff feared that a discussion of AIDS would involve the administration in explicit debates over sexual practices and drug use, likely to alienate mainstream voters. So a coordinated public response was lacking. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop did not become a member of the Assistant Secretary's Executive Task Force on AIDS until 1985, four years after the CDC first noted its occurrence. He was not asked to produce a report on AIDS until early 1986, a belated response to the scale of the epidemic.

The Surgeon General's Report on Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome was released in October 1986, to both great acclaim and instant criticism. Rather than delegate the report's preparation, as is often done, Koop wrote the report himself in the basement of his home, with the input of only a dozen close advisers. In candid but dispassionate language, the report reviewed the symptoms of the disease and its modes of transmission (through sexual intercourse, sharing of contaminated needles among drug users, from infected mother to child during pregnancy or birth, and through transfusion of contaminated blood or blood products). The report reassured Americans that AIDS could not be spread casually, so that public schools and facilities were safe. It called for a nationwide education campaign--including early sex education in schools, for increased use of condoms, and for voluntary testing, arguing that mandatory testing would drive AIDS sufferers underground, to the detriment of their rights and the public's health. A brochure summarizing the report was sent to 107 million American households in 1988. A workshop on children with AIDS was held under the auspices of the Surgeon General in 1987, and a follow- up report was published in 1992 under Surgeon General Antonia Novello.

The 1986 report did not resolve the political and moral debate over AIDS. Conservatives charged that the measures recommended in the report would corrupt schoolchildren by teaching promiscuity. Against the report's recommendations, some politicians called for mandatory AIDS testing. AIDS activists, on the other hand, hailed the report for launching an open, national discussion about the pandemic, and thus putting public health ahead of politics. The development of national AIDS policies in the United States was highly controversial, leaving many economic and legal issues raised by AIDS to activists, health insurers, local and state governments, courts and AIDS patients themselves. However, the report on AIDS was crucial in changing public understanding of the disease. First regarded as a devastating pandemic necessitating mandatory testing and quarantine, the public now conceived of AIDS as a chronic disease, treatable and survivable, and one that did not exclude its carriers from full participation in society.

Huckabee was just one of many conservative politicians who have now proved to have been behind the ball on HIV/AIDS awareness - and it wasn't because the science wasn't there to know fact from fiction. And he seems to have gotten a bump since this news broke.

[K.C.]

HUCKABEE WANTED TO ISOLATE AIDS PATIENTS
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids)

That'll actually help him with the base he's trying to build.