Tom Cruise

[bradstinks]

The Tom Cruise stuff today was great...where did it come from? Anyone know where I can find it?

[Furtherman]

This thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66372)

I didn't put his name is it because I'm thinking those Scientologist legal team is searching the internet and telling people to delete it.

Edit: Ahhh shit... you better not be one of them bradstinks!!!!!

[bradstinks]

Nah....Im just a lonely SP.

[djjd]

it's funny, i was discussing this stuff with a co-worker when i came to the realization, i've never seen a tom cruise movie, not one, and i'm the right age (45) to have seen all of his early films in a theater, but somehow they passed me by, or i passed them by

[mikeyboy]

The Tom Cruise stuff today was great...where did it come from? Anyone know where I can find it?

The stuff they were playing on air was actually quotes from the movie Magnolia.

[TheMojoPin]

it's funny, i was discussing this stuff with a co-worker when i came to the realization, i've never seen a tom cruise movie, not one, and i'm the right age (45) to have seen all of his early films in a theater, but somehow they passed me by, or i passed them by

That's odd. He's been in a lot of big films, and a lot of good ones, too.

[djjd]

That's odd. He's been in a lot of big films, and a lot of good ones, too.

true and it's not like i went out of my way to avoid him, i'm gonna check imdb and see if i'm right about this

[djjd]

okay i'm wrong, i've seen him in two movies, war of the worlds and rain man, that's still not much considering his body of work

[buzzard]

That was very alien and not in a good way!

[Mike Teacher]

Scientology: Forging a New Religion (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m110/MizzleT/Ron%20Fez/scientology.jpg)

Hopefully the above opens to an image of a scanned page big enough to read; I know the original is big enough coz I've emailed it to a few thousand, anyway...

It's from The Week magazine a couple years back and for me the best one page explanation of the history of the religion and the battles Scientology and the IRS have gone through. It's also about the weirdest fucking thing I ever read.

The paragraph 'What Is It?' is mind numbing, but like Ron said, is it any more insane then any one of the thousand of creation stories of the organized religions of the world?

[fezident]

I mentioned this in the other thread but;

I don't have any problems whatsoever with Tom Cruise, Scientology, or his belief in it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The stuff they were playing on air was actually quotes from the movie Magnolia.

Thank you, Bill Burr :tongue: Linger Longer!

[CountryBob]

Am I the only one that is soooooo tired and fed up with Tom Cruise and his religious beliefs/perosnal life? I like most of his movies but I would probably punch his face if I ever ran into him.
The Fucker ruined Katie Holmes - I had great plans for me and her.

[TheMojoPin]

Am I the only one that is soooooo tired and fed up with Tom Cruise and his religious beliefs/perosnal life?

Someone could choke on the irony in this statement.

[fezident]

Could somebody explain, maybe in just a few bullet points, WHY Tom Cruise is suddenly so hated?
I ask this question in all seriousness.

I have my own thoughts on this "issue" and I welcome an honest debate.






Ciao for now. Back to work for the first time in weeks!

[Dirtybird12]

he's the reason Joe Gibbs left the redskins.

he makes movies that bore ME.

he's another genius who thinks anyone who doesnt think like him, is wrong.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Is it hate? I don't hate him, I just think he'd coming across as an ass. But so do most actors when not "in character", Scientologist or not, so I say "So what!?"

[TigerVen]

douche-bag. His religion is kookier than any other religion out there and he feels the need to impose it upon the rest of the world all the time. He's a complete asshole, and if he died tomorrow I'd jump for joy. Hell...I'd rather hang out with Dave than Tom Cruise.
.:thumbdown:

[TheMojoPin]

His religion is kookier than any other religion out there and he feels the need to impose it upon the rest of the world all the time.

Huh? How is he doing that?

[Golfman]

This SP fukin hates Tom Cruise! What a loser, thinking he and his cult of LRH cock gobblers are the "authorities" of everything. I wouldn't let him authoritize my monster brown turds splashin aroun the ol' shit bowl.:furious:

[Golfman]

he's the reason Joe Gibbs left the redskins.

he makes movies that bore ME.

he's another genius who thinks anyone who doesnt think like him, is wrong.

Are you kidding......"genius???" :banning:
He thinks they (scientologists ((nothing against the religion, to each his own)) ) are the only ones who can help in an accident or whatever ONLY because of their religion? You think that is intelligent?:thumbdown:

[Snacks]

Are you kidding......"genius???" :banning:
He thinks they (scientologists ((nothing against the religion, to each his own)) ) are the only ones who can help in an accident or whatever ONLY because of their religion? You think that is intelligent?:thumbdown:

Doesnt every religion think that? and isnt every religion an organized colt?

As I started to question my religion I looked into Scientology. It wasnt any more nuts then Catholicism, and all the others. I think it gets such a bad rap because the clebs attached to the religion along with the way they talk about it. Over religious Christians sound just as wacky and nuts.

[silas]

okay i'm wrong, i've seen him in two movies, war of the worlds and rain man, that's still not much considering his body of work

Given your age, surprised you never saw "Risky business" (Rebecca DeMornay, rrrrr)...i think that and "Fast tImes" were movies 99% of kids then had seen.

I saw Warof the Worlds on TV recently....ok, but some great scenes; i thought the "passing train" was ominously brilliant...

[TheMojoPin]

Doesnt every religion think that? and isnt every religion an organized colt?

As I started to question my religion I looked into Scientology. It wasnt any more nuts then Catholicism, and all the others. I think it gets such a bad rap because the clebs attached to the religion along with the way they talk about it. Over religious Christians sound just as wacky and nuts.

Pretty much. Old man on a cloud wih magical powers and his zombie son and his army of winged dudes fighting aganst a demon who lives beneath the earth or aliens mucking with our souls and living in volcanos. Hell, laid out like that, the latter sounds less insane.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

As an SP I find it highly offensive.

[fezident]

I was out to dinner with a few people. Some of whom I knew already and some were friends of those friends.

Now, I'm one of the few people who thinks Cruise is NOT a lunatic but, I am very aware that that is an unpopular opinion nowadays (or "anymore" as you kids like to say for some reason) so... I keep it to myself.
At one point during dinner, the conversation turned to Britney (who I somewhat defended because I believe she's getting a raw deal on CERTAIN things) and then to Tom Cruise.

A guy I was just meeting for the first time said "oh man, Cruise's crazy. just crazy. I mean... forgettaboutit, that dude is NUTS!". He said it with such fervor that, I bit. I said, "hey man... I don't wanna be a ballbuster but, can you really list for me all the ways that he's a lunatic? I mean... you almost sound ANGRY."

The exchange went like this:
"Well, that whole thing with Matt Lauer..."

"Go on."

"He just, I dunno, seemed crazy to me."

"Crazy? That's the word?? Not COMBATIVE, or ARGUMENTATIVE, or even ARROGANT but, full on lock-'em-up CRAZY?!"

"Well, it's not JUST that. I dunno. It's kinda, ya know."

I told him that people try to act like an expert on everything and we don't call THEM crazy. People who watch ESPN think that know everything about sports. And those debates get a lot more heated than calling the other guy "glib".


And he said
"And then there's the whole jumping on the couch thing."

To which I replied
"I watched that episode and it really seemed to ME like he was hamming it up for the crowd who, by the way, were eating it up, clapping wildly, and egging him on. I mean... it's not like he was bouncing off the walls during a serious interview on 20/20. I thought he was kinda playing off that insane energy that is an Oprah audience."

And he said "Well... I guess you're right. I mean, the guy IS a performer."

I then went on to say that I wasn't trying to change his mind or "prove him wrong", it's just that I think there's a SERIOUS media spin on that guy. The backlash seems undeserved to me. etc etc.

This seems to happen all the time. I believe that there's a whoooole lotta people hopping on a bandwagon.
We saw it happen with The Dixie Chicks too. And Bill Maher.


I think celebs get slaughtered in the press for a lot things that you and I do everyday.

I saw some TMZ show where they were trying to make it seem like Matthew McConnaghy was zany for, wait for it... WORKING OUT ON THE BEACH WITHOUT WEARING A SHIRT!! He was surrounded by people who were also not wearing shirts. But with Matthew, they made an issue out of it.

Tom Cruise is probably the same dude that everybody dug in the Jerry McGuire and Minority Report era. But NOW... he's getting bad press and back then he wasn't.

Sigh. Now somebody will feel compelled to tell me how much they hated those two movies.

[PapaBear]

^SCIENTOLOGIST!!!^^

I'm kidding, of course.

I was "on the fence" about Cruise for a while. He is definitely "different", but Ron made a very good point about his recent videos. He doesn't look any more crazy than any exuberant Christian. I think the main thing that makes Scientologists appear to be crazy is how secretive they are. They might actually be freaks, but who the hell cares?

I'll still probably end up making fun of him sometime, though. Maybe he should just fly jumbo jets. That way he'd just piss off environmentalists, instead of Christians.

[fezident]

I didn't hear Rons rant on Cruise. I wish I did because people here have mentioned it. Can I assume that Ronnie thinks Cruise is nuttier than a shithouse rat? Man, I would love to hear that whole break.

[PapaBear]

And now that I think of it... It's a lot harder to ridicule Vinnie Barbarino, than a guy who dances to Bob Seger songs in his tightie whities.:unsure:

[PapaBear]

I didn't hear Rons rant on Cruise. I wish I did because people here have mentioned it. Can I assume that Ronnie thinks Cruise is nuttier than a shithouse rat? Man, I would love to hear that whole break.
I wouldn't call it a rant. And no... He didn't portray him that way. He said he's no nuttier than any other religious person.

[wehitandrun]

I was out to dinner with a few people. Some of whom I knew already and some were friends of those friends.

Now, I'm one of the few people who thinks Cruise is NOT a lunatic but, I am very aware that that is an unpopular opinion nowadays (or "anymore" as you kids like to say for some reason) so... I keep it to myself.
At one point during dinner, the conversation turned to Britney (who I somewhat defended because I believe she's getting a raw deal on CERTAIN things) and then to Tom Cruise.

A guy I was just meeting for the first time said "oh man, Cruise's crazy. just crazy. I mean... forgettaboutit, that dude is NUTS!". He said it with such fervor that, I bit. I said, "hey man... I don't wanna be a ballbuster but, can you really list for me all the ways that he's a lunatic? I mean... you almost sound ANGRY."

The exchange went like this:
"Well, that whole thing with Matt Lauer..."

"Go on."

"He just, I dunno, seemed crazy to me."

"Crazy? That's the word?? Not COMBATIVE, or ARGUMENTATIVE, or even ARROGANT but, full on lock-'em-up CRAZY?!"

"Well, it's not JUST that. I dunno. It's kinda, ya know."

I told him that people try to act like an expert on everything and we don't call THEM crazy. People who watch ESPN think that know everything about sports. And those debates a LOT more heated than calling the other guy "glib".


And he said
"And then there's the whole jumping on the couch thing."

To which I replied
"I watched that episode and it really seemed to ME like he was hamming it up for the crowd who, by the way, were eating it up, clapping wildly, and egging him on. I mean... it's not like he was bouncing off the walls during a serious interview on 20/20. I thought he was kinda playing off that insane energy that is an Oprah audience."

And he said "Well... I guess you're right. I mean, the guy IS a performer."

I then went on to say that I wasn't trying to change his mind or "prove him wrong", it's just that I think there's a SERIOUS media spin on that guy. The backlash seems undeserved to me. etc etc.

This seems to happen all the time. I believe that there's a whoooole lotta people hopping on a bandwagon.
We saw it happen with The Dixie Chicks too. And Bill Maher.


I think celebs get slaughtered in the press for a lot things that you and I do everyday.

I saw some TMZ show where they were trying to make it seem like Matthew McConnaghy was, wait for it... WORKING OUT ON THE BEACH WITHOUT WEARING A SHIRT!! He was surrounded by people who were also not wearing shirts. But with Matthew, they made an issue out of it.

Tom Cruise is probably the same dude that everybody dug in the Jerry McGuire and Minority Report era. But NOW... he's getting bad press and back then he wasn't.

Sigh. Now somebody will feel compelled to tell me how much they hated those two movies.

I agree completely on Cruise. The jumping on the couch situation was thrown completely out of proportion, and I honestly thought at the time "Wow, he is excited about his relationship". Of course everybody tried to call THAT fake, and used this event as another opportunity to prove that.

Now with Britney, nah- can't help you out there. Then again, I am a guy who frequents the YEEEAH website (that I actually heard about on RNF, just a celebrity blog) and is fed the headlines almost instantly, along with their anti-Britney comments.

[fezident]

My thing on Britney is: she is now in the unenviable position of being NOTORIOUS rather than FAMOUS.

She drove a car while keeping her kid on her lap and she took heat for it. Fine.

Now there's a platoon of photogs blocking the entrance to a store and they won't move. When she screams "GET OUTTA MY WAY!", the headlines are "Crazy Britney Is At It Again!".

Do you know what I mean? If ya really think about it, she's handling that situation as well or maybe even better than you or I would if 30 people were deliberately blocking our path.
Britney's a mess. No argument there but, she's being crucified for things that aren't even abnormal.... much less crazy.
She can't just go to a restuarant, sit down, and eat because of the cameras. So... she goes to a drivethru and the headlines are "Britney won't stop eating fast food!". One reporter said that at any given moment there's 35 cars following Britney as soon as she leaves the house! And the guys on the sidewalk are sticking their feet under her wheels in an attempt to get "run over" by her recklessness.
She's a young mother with unlimited funds. She's a mess. But she doesn't belong in a straight jacket.

And I don't think Tom does either.


I remember a headline that said "Crazy Cruise Spends 30 Grand On a Sonogram Machine For His Home". Why is that crazy? He probably has a billion dollars in just his checking account. YOU would be crazy for spending that amount of money but, certainly not HIM.

Anybody?

Anybody??

[PapaBear]

I remember a headline that said "Crazy Cruise Spends 30 Grand On a Sonogram Machine For His Home". Why is that crazy? He probably has a billion dollars in just his checking account. YOU would be crazy for spending that amount of money but, certainly not HIM.

Anybody?

Anybody??

I think the main issue on that was that medical professionals said that it was bad for a non medical professional to try to use a Sonogram on their own. It could be dangerous. If he really did this however, I'm sure he probably sprung for a technician to actually operate it. Who knows?

[fezident]

I think the main issue on that was that medical professionals said that it was bad for a non medical professional to try to use a Sonogram on their own. It could be dangerous. If he really did this however, I'm sure he probably sprung for a technician to actually operate it. Who knows?

Even if you're right... why'd they mention the PRICE in the headline? This is kinda what I'm talking about. Everything feels very "spun" to me.
99.999 percent of the population doesn' t have FU money. Tom does. By stating that Crazy Tom spent what some people earn in a year on this ONE machine, makes him seem "out of control". It breeds contempt for him, and the editors of these tabloids know that.

I would ASSUME that Tom & Katie would be under medical advisement. IF doing frequent ultrasounds was a health risk for the baby or the mother, I think they'd be aware of that risk. I'm not putting blind faith in the guy. I just truly believe that THAT is something an expecting couple would know.

[fezident]

I wouldn't call it a rant. And no... He didn't portray him that way. He said he's no nuttier than any other religious person.
Fair enough.
I'd still love to hear that break though. Even if it's just for entertainment.

[jonyrotn]

I liked him until Cuba Gooding Jr caught him he shoplifting the pootie from Rene Zellweger..:thumbdown: