Heath Ledger---dead!!!!!!!

[legroommusic]

I guess we'll never see that Andy Gibb bio pic.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/automatic_writing/HeathLedger.jpg

http://www.mediastorehouse.com/pictures_180317/Andy-Gibb.jpg

[sailor]

If I ate Ambien like M&M"s no one would give a shit!

i heard it was anti-depressants, last night on the news. everywhere i read says sleeping pills. then again, on the news they said he starred in "the monster's ball"

[EliSnow]

Aintitcoolnews.com is reporting that Ledger had completely finished his scenes in Dark Knight, including dubbing, etc.

Ledger was going to be in a new movie by Terry Gilliam, which will have to be re-cast.

[A.J.]

I guess we'll never see that Andy Gibb bio pic.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/automatic_writing/HeathLedger.jpg

http://www.mediastorehouse.com/pictures_180317/Andy-Gibb.jpg

Damn. Nice call.

[EffMeBoobs]

Aintitcoolnews.com is reporting that Ledger had completely finished his scenes in Dark Knight, including dubbing, etc.

Ledger was going to be in a new movie by Terry Gilliam, which will have to be re-cast.

Terry Gilliam never catches a break.

[Team_Ramrod]

I can't help but think of this
http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/2/9/8/Z20060209193215847277892/img/crow-the-chair-4900002.jpg

Anyone think the scene where the Joker dies in the new Batman (if he dies of course) will be as oddly unsettling as when Brandon Lee was killed in the beginning of the Crow?

No, I don't think it will be nearly the same. Ledger was done with Batman, Lee was killed on set. But then again, these things are hit and miss. John Candy was found dead while filming Wagons East and the movie still ended up getting shit numbers... no one cared.

[EliSnow]

No, I don't think it will be nearly the same. Ledger was done with Batman, Lee was killed on set. But then again, these things are hit and miss. John Candy was found dead while filming Wagons East and the movie still ended up getting shit numbers... no one cared.

I agree. I think watching Dark Knight won't be as weird as watching the Crow because, as you mentioned he was killed during the making of the movie, during the very scene where his character is killed, forcing them to alter scenes and use body doubles, and because his character was a dead person.

[ChimneyFish]

Does it make me a sick bastard for being even more excited about him playing the Joker????

I feel dirty even typing that........:unsure:

[thepaulo]

no statement has been released on the Terry Gilliam film The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnasuss
But the feeling is disaster....the curse of Terry Gilliam.
Heath could barely get two hours sleep even with two or more Ambiens during the filming of Dark Knight partly because the part of the Joker was so challenging
Michelle Williams (Brokeback Mountain, Dawson's Creek is devastated even though they separated last and have a two year old daughter together....It looks like an accident.

[Zorro]

no statement has been released on the Terry Gilliam film The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnasuss
But the feeling is disaster....the curse of Terry Gilliam.
Heath could barely get two hours sleep even with two or more Ambiens during the filming of Dark Knight partly because the part of the Joker was so challenging
Michelle Williams (Brokeback Mountain, Dawson's Creek is devastated even though they separated last and have a two year old daughter together....It looks like an accident.

Heath dies and it's all about Terry Gilliam and Fez...

[TheMojoPin]

i heard it was anti-depressants, last night on the news. everywhere i read says sleeping pills. then again, on the news they said he starred in "the monster's ball"

He was one of the starring actors of Monster's Ball. He was Billy Bob's son.

[mikeyboy]

He was one of the starring actors of Monster's Ball. He was Billy Bob's son.

I think he was pointing out that they got the title a little bit wrong.

[sailor]

He was one of the starring actors of Monster's Ball. He was Billy Bob's son.

no, i meant just that they called it "the monster's ball" like it was about godzilla's left testicle. smacked of casey kasem and "the motley crue"

edit: just saw mikey explained it. waste of a post.

i was just wondering, why is it bad for tmz to have video of heath's body being brought out when news stations were broadcasting it as well?

[TheMojoPin]

I think he was pointing out that they got the title a little bit wrong.

Oh, because of the "the?"

Hey, look who's gonna be at the funeral!

http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg

So fucking awful.

[mikeyboy]

Oh, because of the "the?"

Hey, look who's gonna be at the funeral!

http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg

So fucking awful.

Yeah, Ron & Fez had Ms. Phelps-Roper on the air about 90 minutes ago. She's lovely.

[CountryBob]

Lighten up, Francis. If the OD story pans out, dude died by his own hand with a baby kid, which means he gets very, VERY little sympathy from me.

HAHA - HA ha, I totally get this quote. I laughed out loud "lighten up Francis" and startled everyone around me.

Stripes is the best!
Thank you for making me happy!

[Badinia]

Richard Cory
by Edwin Arlington Robinson, 1869-1935


Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at him;

He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean favored, and imperially slim.


And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;

But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
“Good-morning,” and he glittered when he walked.


And he was rich—yes, richer than a king—
And admirably schooled in every grace:

In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.


So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;

And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

[TooLowBrow]

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgment day,
On the bloody morning after....
One Heath Ledger rides away.

[zathrus]

A guy can't have a rolled up $20.00 bill in his bedroom, without the cops automatically thinking that drugs are involved. Come on.. he had several perscription bottles in the bedroom & bathroom. Can anyone say Co-pay?

[Rockvillejoe]

He was one of the starring actors of Monster's Ball. He was Billy Bob's son.

nah i think you got it wrong. wasn't he the redskins quarterback in the early 90's? he was a star at univ of tenessee. the guy went on to be a congressman i think. just tragic. who would of thought he would die of an apparent o.d.? ponderous man.

[keithy_19]

Oh, because of the "the?"

Hey, look who's gonna be at the funeral!

http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg



I don't hate many people, but I hate them. After watching the documentary on them, I've made it a point to go down to Topeka and do something about it. Though you can't really do much to phase people like this. :dry:

[reillyluck]

I don't hate many people, but I hate them. After watching the documentary on them, I've made it a point to go down to Topeka and do something about it. Though you can't really do much to phase people like this. :dry:

can we have an official ronfez.net field trip to Kansas? Pretty please.

[keithy_19]

can we have an official ronfez.net field trip to Kansas? Pretty please.

I would gladly go and support this.

[cougarjake13]

is he still dead ??

[Zorro]

can we have an official ronfez.net field trip to Kansas? Pretty please.

Kansas is a real place? I always assumed it was just a euphemism for the middle on nowhere

[keithy_19]

Kansas is a real place? I always assumed it was just a euphemism for the middle on nowhere

They have college basketball. And I know a girl from there. She's a sweetheart. Doesn't hate gays at all.

[Gmann]

can we have an official ronfez.net field trip to Kansas? Pretty please.


Im so down. Ive always wanted to go on a road trip My Cousin Vinny style.

[spoon]

Lighten up, Francis. If the OD story pans out, dude died by his own hand with a baby kid, which means he gets very, VERY little sympathy from me.

What does this have to do with anything? I don't give a shit if anyone maes jokes or calls him out for him being a douchebag for having a habit like this and leaving a kid behind. It was just annoying to yet again have to mae something that has nothing to do with you about you yet again for the bajillionth time.

Don't worry, Matty, I don't care about Heath...I was talking about you! It's OK!

Interesting give and take here. My problem with what you say Matty is that if in fact this guy had a mental illness, Fuck him! Way to take a stand. Sure there are plenty of selfish douches out there, but I guess I should take your word since you are so informed and connected...or perhaps they smell their own.

[Zorro]

... And I know a girl from there. She's a sweetheart. Doesn't hate gays at all.


Dorothy?

[spoon]

I don't hate many people, but I hate them. After watching the documentary on them, I've made it a point to go down to Topeka and do something about it. Though you can't really do much to phase people like this. :dry:

I couldn't agree more.

[keithy_19]

Dorothy?

Auntie Em.

[Zorro]

The Kansas Basketball Team


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/MidgetBasketball_sm.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why so serious?

Stop the presses... who is that?

No weirder than watching the Crow with Brandon Lee.

I swear to God, you're the only person on this board who gets me.

Liz walks into the apartment.

Matty: "Heath Ledger died."

Liz: "Who?"

Lighten up, Francis. If the OD story pans out, dude died by his own hand with a baby kid, which means he gets very, VERY little sympathy from me.

I'd commit suicide over a Knight's Tale than Brokeback. Besides, they said that his Joker in DKR is a fucking tour de force.

The Brokeback thing doesn't seem to affect Gyllenhaal at all.

Maybe he OD'ed on dehyrdrated UN council members?

Yeah, so what the fuck does you "I only talk about meeeee" comment come in? I made a reference to Eli being King o' Pop Culture on this board. So again, lighten the fuck up.

GYLLENHAAL DID IT!

You people have a strange fascination with Alex Mack.

Reason I don't like 10 Reasons = Heath Ledger does a piss-poor Frankie Valli.

I kinda did like Knight's Tale.

Apparently, Joker makes it through DKR, so whoever gets that role next is screwed.

Except with bigger boobs!

They're saying it's accidental - aren't all overdoses accidental? - and facedown.

If you aspriate vomit, you're face down, right?

His tombstone will read:

"If you gotta go, go with a smile."

Mojo's right. A day late, but he's right. Ron's comments on the air today really fucking bothered me, because with the way he presented it on the air, I was destroying Ledger with some of the "horrible shit" I was writing about him.

I don't see it.

I posted a ton of lines about the Joker that had to do with death and having a bad day, because it was part of the encircling drama and dark humor of the situation. This was NO FUCKING DIFFERENT than the huge bit they had when Anna Nicole died. Same hazy drug situation, same situation with a baby being left without a parent, and PROBABLY the same level of "celebrity" - in fact, I'd say that Anna was probably better known than Heath.

So yeah, I'm pissed off. I take credit for being the bad guy when it's deserved, but I just got crucified today.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo's right.

I didn't call you out for making taseless comments or it being "too soon" or anything along those lines.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I didn't call you out for making taseless comments or it being "too soon" or anything along those lines.

No, you're right about making the thread about me, you cold-hearted sullen person.

[reillyluck]

you should have been nicer to sheepy.

[mikeyboy]

Mojo's right. A day late, but he's right. Ron's comments on the air today really fucking bothered me, because with the way he presented it on the air, I was destroying Ledger with some of the "horrible shit" I was writing about him.

I don't see it.

I posted a ton of lines about the Joker that had to do with death and having a bad day, because it was part of the encircling drama and dark humor of the situation. This was NO FUCKING DIFFERENT than the huge bit they had when Anna Nicole died. Same hazy drug situation, same situation with a baby being left without a parent, and PROBABLY the same level of "celebrity" - in fact, I'd say that Anna was probably better known than Heath.

So yeah, I'm pissed off. I take credit for being the bad guy when it's deserved, but I just got crucified today.

That puts it all in perspective. That's a lot of mediocre jokes and references in one thread.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That puts it all in perspective. That's a lot of mediocre jokes and references in one thread.

I'm still a better poster than SOS.

[reillyluck]

wwhld?

[Snacks]

Mojo's right. A day late, but he's right. Ron's comments on the air today really fucking bothered me, because with the way he presented it on the air, I was destroying Ledger with some of the "horrible shit" I was writing about him.

I don't see it.

I posted a ton of lines about the Joker that had to do with death and having a bad day, because it was part of the encircling drama and dark humor of the situation. This was NO FUCKING DIFFERENT than the huge bit they had when Anna Nicole died. Same hazy drug situation, same situation with a baby being left without a parent, and PROBABLY the same level of "celebrity" - in fact, I'd say that Anna was probably better known than Heath.

So yeah, I'm pissed off. I take credit for being the bad guy when it's deserved, but I just got crucified today.

Maybe the difference is you are not a radio personality and (imo) you are not funny. When you talk about "its a bit" or "its similar to their bit" etc, you kind of look foolish since you dont have a radio show to compare. Sometimes you go too far with your attitude that nothing should bother anyone or people take somethings you say personal etc. I would say its more that you think you are funny and try way too hard when most of the time no one gets your jokes.

[mikeyboy]

I'm still a better poster than SOS.

There you go. Aim high.

[EliSnow]

This was the only post I thought that Ron may be referring to:

Originally Posted by Tenbatsuzen
Lighten up, Francis. If the OD story pans out, dude died by his own hand with a baby kid, which means he gets very, VERY little sympathy from me.

Other than that, I don't know.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This was the only post I thought that Ron may be referring to:



Other than that, I don't know.




Yeah, but even then, it's personal opinion, not writing horrible jokes. If you want to drink and drug yourself to death, I'm all for it - but if you're the father of a 2 year old, I see you as selfish. Problem schmoblem, I don't care if addiction is a disease, it's a disease of selfishness where that kid has to grow up without a dad. I felt the SAME exact way when Kurt Cobain died.

And even then, that was when it was an OD of drugs, which I thought it was, or potentially aspiration of vomit. I don't know what he died of, but it sounds like some stupid combination of drugs was involved. And if reports are true that he was popping ambien like candy, then again, he has a self-medication problem.

Ron's in recovery, and he has his POV. I have mine. I don't claim to be an absolute angel when I'm writing jokes, and I'll cop to trying too hard when writing a good portion of my posts. But Ron made it sound like I was pissing all over his grave. And I wasn't.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe the difference is you are not a radio personality and (imo) you are not funny. When you talk about "its a bit" or "its similar to their bit" etc, you kind of look foolish since you dont have a radio show to compare. Sometimes you go too far with your attitude that nothing should bother anyone or people take somethings you say personal etc. I would say its more that you think you are funny and try way too hard when most of the time no one gets your jokes.

The thing is this. I know not to get personal with people. I won't go after a person on this board for the way they are unless they bring it on themselves. There are plenty of people who I've tangled with on this board, but it's purely on a reactive - not proactive basis.

And the thing is, whether you have an audience of millions like Ron and Fez, or an audience of hundreds on RF.net, there is no difference between an on-air bit or a messageboard thread - it's still a free form attempt at comedy using a tragic situation as the fuse.

If Ron didn't get my jokes, I understand that. I KNOW not everyone gets my jokes. If that bothered me I would have stopped posting a long time ago. But Ron made it out like I was totally KILLING Heath Ledger and writing terrible things about him, his ex-fiance, and his daughter.

I left for a meeting right after Ron's comments, and I was stewing throughout the entire meeting because Ron wasn't making me a part of the bit. He was being serious. It's one thing when Dave brings me into shit because I know it's a bit - but Ron took two separate occassions to call me out.

I know I'm thinking too hard about it, but when someting like this gets under my skin, it's hard to let go.

[mikeyboy]

The thing is this. I know not to get personal with people. I won't go after a person on this board for the way they are unless they bring it on themselves. There are plenty of people who I've tangled with on this board, but it's purely on a reactive - not proactive basis.

And the thing is, whether you have an audience of millions like Ron and Fez, or an audience of hundreds on RF.net, there is no difference between an on-air bit or a messageboard thread - it's still a free form attempt at comedy using a tragic situation as the fuse.

If Ron didn't get my jokes, I understand that. I KNOW not everyone gets my jokes. If that bothered me I would have stopped posting a long time ago. But Ron made it out like I was totally KILLING Heath Ledger and writing terrible things about him, his ex-fiance, and his daughter.

I left for a meeting right after Ron's comments, and I was stewing throughout the entire meeting because Ron wasn't making me a part of the bit. He was being serious. It's one thing when Dave brings me into shit because I know it's a bit - but Ron took two separate occassions to call me out.

I know I'm thinking too hard about it, but when someting like this gets under my skin, it's hard to let go.

Your reputation may proceed you. You seem to revel in the misfortunes of celebrities more than just about anyone on this board, and you're probably the king of "What? Too soon?" comments.

[topless_mike]

so this story gets wierder.
the lady who first found his body didnt call 911 right away.
she called.............


mary-kate olsen.
story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_en_ot/ledger_s_final_moments)

is there a chance he was layin pipe with MKO ?

[PapaBear]

so this story gets wierder.
the lady who first found his body didnt call 911 right away.
she called.............


mary-kate olsen.
story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_en_ot/ledger_s_final_moments)

is there a chance he was layin pipe with MKO ?
That is some weird fucking shit!:ohmy:

[sailor]

she used his phone to call one of his friends, who also happened to be famous? this is crazy, why?

[PapaBear]

she used his phoneo call one of his friends, who also happened to be famous? this is crazy, why?
Crazy that she would call a friend instead of 911, and even crazier that said idiotic friend's first idea is to send her body guards instead of calling 911.

[yeti]

Who cares about the puff fucken cry baby...:flush:

[IamPixie]

this may be trite but he really was handsome.

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/wenn11971_wenn1732082__oPt.jpg

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/heath_ledger_03_wenn494376__oPt.jpg

[thepaulo]

The whole pneumonia angle isn't getting much play so far....Heath's co-star in the Terry Gilliam film, Christopher Plummer said that the London shoot was frezzing and that Heath had some degree of pneumonia. Plummer also said that Heath was very happy about the current film and other upcoming projects.

[FUNKMAN]

The whole pneumonia angle isn't getting much play so far....Heath's co-star in the Terry Gilliam film, Christopher Plummer said that the London shoot was frezzing and that Heath had some degree of pneumonia. Plummer also said that Heath was very happy about the cuurent film and other upcoming projects.

maybe he had fatty pneumonia?


i got nuthin as usual

[Snacks]

The thing is this. I know not to get personal with people. I won't go after a person on this board for the way they are unless they bring it on themselves. There are plenty of people who I've tangled with on this board, but it's purely on a reactive - not proactive basis.

And the thing is, whether you have an audience of millions like Ron and Fez, or an audience of hundreds on RF.net, there is no difference between an on-air bit or a messageboard thread - it's still a free form attempt at comedy using a tragic situation as the fuse.

If Ron didn't get my jokes, I understand that. I KNOW not everyone gets my jokes. If that bothered me I would have stopped posting a long time ago. But Ron made it out like I was totally KILLING Heath Ledger and writing terrible things about him, his ex-fiance, and his daughter.

I left for a meeting right after Ron's comments, and I was stewing throughout the entire meeting because Ron wasn't making me a part of the bit. He was being serious. It's one thing when Dave brings me into shit because I know it's a bit - but Ron took two separate occassions to call me out.

I know I'm thinking too hard about it, but when something like this gets under my skin, it's hard to let go.

I under stand what you are trying to say but another difference is on the radio it is easier to understand a bit or a joke. But written sarcasm isnt so easy to read. What happens is you come across extreme,y insensitive about everything and ever celeb that dies and way too soon.

As for it being ok to make fun or joke because the person died and left a kid behind, thats bullshit. Just because someone has a drug problem and dies from it doesnt make it better, easier, worst or whatever then anyone else who dies young and leaves a kid behind. I guess all the fat slobs that die because of heart attacks deserve to be shitted on because they were selfish and died leaving a kid behind? No one wants to die and leave a kid or anyone behind but shit happens. Everyone has their problems, drugs, food, alcohol, yours is different it is being unfunny on a messageboard!!!

BTW, we dont even know what drugs he was doing. If it was ambien and other sleeping pills then he was doing nothing wrong. The pressure of celebrity gets too people and sometimes they need sleeping aids or anxiety meds. Its a different story when someone is doing cocaine, meth, crack etc. All the guy wanted to do was sleep. I used to take ambien every night and when it didnt work I would take 2, if you continue to up your dosage this can happen accidentally

Your reputation may proceed you. You seem to revel in the misfortunes of celebrities more than just about anyone on this board, and you're probably the king of "What? Too soon?" comments.

he does this every time and that "Too soon" comment annoys the shit out of me. Its always a way to try and back out of an awful comment and to make it seem like its a joke. He obviously knows its too soon or he wouldnt write it everytime.

[sailor]

Crazy that she would call a friend instead of 911, and even crazier that said idiotic friend's first idea is to send her body guards instead of calling 911.

ah, that i can see. since topless mike's post was asking if they were, let's say, romantic with each other, i thought that was what the angle was. also, don't know if you read the article, but the woman who found him just thought he was sleeping.

[Rockvillejoe]

nah i think you got it wrong. wasn't he the redskins quarterback in the early 90's? he was a star at univ of tenessee. the guy went on to be a congressman i think. just tragic. who would of thought he would die of an apparent o.d.? ponderous man.

No-ho you maniac! You are thinking of Heath Shuler! That's way too funny. Dude you rule!

(has it come to this? a compulsion to comment and pat yourself on the back? who knows heath shuler anyway? this facile attempt at shits and grins only belies the true depth of your actual depravity and isolation. i implore, beseech you, cease and desist from such humiliating behavior or as god as a witness i will thow your keyboard through the locked cabinet of faberge eggs. you know i mean it.)

[mikeyboy]

No-ho you maniac! You are thinking of Heath Shuler! That's way too funny. Dude you rule!

(has it come to this? a compulsion to comment and pat yourself on the back? who knows heath shuler anyway? this facile attempt at shits and grins only belies the true depth of your actual depravity and isolation. i implore, beseech you, cease and desist from such humiliating behavior or as god as a witness i will thow your keyboard through the locked cabinet of faberge eggs. you know i mean it.)

You're a strange guy.

[grlNIN]

this may be trite but he really was handsome.

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/wenn11971_wenn1732082__oPt.jpg

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/heath_ledger_03_wenn494376__oPt.jpg

Would a posthumous "Heath Ledger Picture" thread be too creepy?



<img src="http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4499/tn2heathledger4yh4.jpg">

<img src="http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5577/heath7mj4.jpg">

[IamPixie]

Would a posthumous "Heath Ledger Picture" thread be too creepy?



<img src="http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4499/tn2heathledger4yh4.jpg">

<img src="http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5577/heath7mj4.jpg">

NO! it's a tribute, really.

[Thebazile78]

Your reputation may proceed you. You seem to revel in the misfortunes of celebrities more than just about anyone on this board, and you're probably the king of "What? Too soon?" comments.

He laps the celebreality "news" up like it's mothers' milk. There are better things to do with one's time. Reading. Exercising. Hanging up your work pants so they're not part of our dining room's permanent decor. You know, useful things.

There's a fine line between schadenfreude and being an ass. And even I think Matty crosses it more often than is tasteful.

... I would say its more that you think you are funny and try way too hard when most of the time no one gets your jokes.

He does try way too hard. Especially when he's not funny.

The difference between me and the rest of the board is that I can smack him when he's unfunny. You guys can't.

I win.

[grlNIN]

NO! it's a tribute, really.


Oh ok, i'll be at Google images for the next hour or so.

"Researching".

[mikeyboy]

I win.

Indeed. I guess it runs in the family.

http://www.ronandfezstore.com/images/sheepybackfront.jpg

[Zorro]

The whole pneumonia angle isn't getting much play so far....Heath's co-star in the Terry Gilliam film, Christopher Plummer said that the London shoot was frezzing and that Heath had some degree of pneumonia. Plummer also said that Heath was very happy about the current film and other upcoming projects.

How unfair is the world that Christopher Plummer keeps ticking like a Timex and Heath Ledger is dead?

[Furtherman]

How unfair is the world that Christopher Plummer keeps ticking like a Timex and Heath Ledger is dead?

Zorro, I shall blow you from the stars.

http://www.filmsound.org/game-audio/chang.jpg

[A.J.]

How unfair is the world that Christopher Plummer keeps ticking like a Timex and Heath Ledger is dead?

He's not one of your favorite things?

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1196/5370_0127.jpg

[IamPixie]

Oh ok, i'll be at Google images for the next hour or so.

"Researching".

oooo lemme do the same.:devil2:

[Freitag]

I under stand what you are trying to say but another difference is on the radio it is easier to understand a bit or a joke. But written sarcasm isnt so easy to read. What happens is you come across extreme,y insensitive about everything and ever celeb that dies and way too soon.

As for it being ok to make fun or joke because the person died and left a kid behind, thats bullshit. Just because someone has a drug problem and dies from it doesnt make it better, easier, worst or whatever then anyone else who dies young and leaves a kid behind. I guess all the fat slobs that die because of heart attacks deserve to be shitted on because they were selfish and died leaving a kid behind? No one wants to die and leave a kid or anyone behind but shit happens. Everyone has their problems, drugs, food, alcohol, yours is different it is being unfunny on a messageboard!!!

BTW, we dont even know what drugs he was doing. If it was ambien and other sleeping pills then he was doing nothing wrong. The pressure of celebrity gets too people and sometimes they need sleeping aids or anxiety meds. Its a different story when someone is doing cocaine, meth, crack etc. All the guy wanted to do was sleep. I used to take ambien every night and when it didnt work I would take 2, if you continue to up your dosage this can happen accidentally



he does this every time and that "Too soon" comment annoys the shit out of me. Its always a way to try and back out of an awful comment and to make it seem like its a joke. He obviously knows its too soon or he wouldnt write it everytime.


You're missing the point. R&F dedicated two shows of material - both the XM show and the Free FM show - to Anna Nicole dying. THE DAY OF AND THE DAY AFTER THE EVENT, THE VERY DEFINITION OF "TOO SOON".

In this thread, I didn't do any "too soon" material other than my personal opinion that if he had a drug problem, and OD'ed, then he was selfish. Not that he was a bad person, in my opinion, he was selfish. Everything else was material about the Joker and railing on how bad a movie "A Knight's Tale" was.

I don't want to hear this crap about the "pressures of celebrity". You know what a pressure job is? Being a cop. Being an air-traffic controller. There are TONS of celebrities who live normal, quiet lives and are in the spotlight WHEN THEY WANT TO BE.

Heath Ledger was is no way, shape, or form a "high pressure celebrity" like Britney is.

We don't know what killed Heath Ledger. Maybe he had a bad reaction to something. If that's the case, then it's a tragedy. But my key thought was, that if died BY HIS OWN HAND, he gets no sympathy from me.

And about being a fat slob and dying and leaving a kid behind - yes. Same difference. You die early, and it could have been prevented, you're being selfish. You drink and drive, and you die, it could have been prevented, and you're being selfish. Kurt Cobain, selfish. Jim Leyritz, selfish.

And it's just as easy to abuse prescription drugs than it is something like meth or crack. The only difference is that it's more "socially acceptable".

[TheMojoPin]

That's a fancy way of dancing around people saying you're not funny.

GET OFF THE STAGE, SCHECKY.

[reillyluck]

remember when Heath Ledger died?

[Freitag]

Matty, the issue seems to be you simply not being as funny as you think you are as opposed to any sense of "too soon."

That's Snacks' issue. He keeps harping on it. I never said that I wasn't the top comedian of RonFez.net. I acknowledge that my brand of comedy is very Dennis Milleresque - that only a select few get it. I have no issue with that.

My issue is that I was getting slammed on the air for "writing horrible stuff" about Heath when I did no such thing.

THAT'S my problem. Snacks was using this as an opportunity to trash me for "too soon" and/or unfunny material, when to be honest, I know I cross the line a LOT.

Mikey was right, my reputation preceeded me. I don't have an issue with that either.

[Furtherman]

I acknowledge that my brand of comedy is very Dennis Milleresque - that only a select few get it.

http://img.snlarc.jt.org/arc/imp/DaCa-Dennis%20Miller.jpg

Yea babe, we're so numero uno.

[TheMojoPin]

That's Snacks' issue. He keeps harping on it. I never said that I wasn't the top comedian of RonFez.net. I acknowledge that my brand of comedy is very Dennis Milleresque - that only a select few get it. I have no issue with that.

My issue is that I was getting slammed on the air for "writing horrible stuff" about Heath when I did no such thing.

THAT'S my problem. Snacks was using this as an opportunity to trash me for "too soon" and/or unfunny material, when to be honest, I know I cross the line a LOT.

Mikey was right, my reputation preceeded me. I don't have an issue with that either.

I give you kudos for your brutally honest and self-depricating sig pic.

[Snacks]

He laps the celebreality "news" up like it's mothers' milk. There are better things to do with one's time. Reading. Exercising. Hanging up your work pants so they're not part of our dining room's permanent decor. You know, useful things.

There's a fine line between schadenfreude and being an ass. And even I think Matty crosses it more often than is tasteful.



He does try way too hard. Especially when he's not funny.

The difference between me and the rest of the board is that I can smack him when he's unfunny. You guys can't.

I win.

You win!!! Nice a wife can speak honestly

You're missing the point. R&F dedicated two shows of material - both the XM show and the Free FM show - to Anna Nicole dying. THE DAY OF AND THE DAY AFTER THE EVENT, THE VERY DEFINITION OF "TOO SOON".

In this thread, I didn't do any "too soon" material other than my personal opinion that if he had a drug problem, and OD'ed, then he was selfish. Not that he was a bad person, in my opinion, he was selfish. Everything else was material about the Joker and railing on how bad a movie "A Knight's Tale" was.

I don't want to hear this crap about the "pressures of celebrity". You know what a pressure job is? Being a cop. Being an air-traffic controller. There are TONS of celebrities who live normal, quiet lives and are in the spotlight WHEN THEY WANT TO BE.

Heath Ledger was is no way, shape, or form a "high pressure celebrity" like Britney is.

We don't know what killed Heath Ledger. Maybe he had a bad reaction to something. If that's the case, then it's a tragedy. But my key thought was, that if died BY HIS OWN HAND, he gets no sympathy from me.

And about being a fat slob and dying and leaving a kid behind - yes. Same difference. You die early, and it could have been prevented, you're being selfish. You drink and drive, and you die, it could have been prevented, and you're being selfish. Kurt Cobain, selfish. Jim Leyritz, selfish.

And it's just as easy to abuse prescription drugs than it is something like meth or crack. The only difference is that it's more "socially acceptable".

Who is this? Tenbats? Do you have 2 names? Im guessing you are trying to be sneaky with a 2nd name so I will post thinking this is Tenbats.

My answer to all of that is see you wifes post above! I wont get into it on cops having or not having a more stressful job.


That's Snacks' issue. He keeps harping on it. I never said that I wasn't the top comedian of RonFez.net. I acknowledge that my brand of comedy is very Dennis Milleresque - that only a select few get it. I have no issue with that.

My issue is that I was getting slammed on the air for "writing horrible stuff" about Heath when I did no such thing.

THAT'S my problem. Snacks was using this as an opportunity to trash me for "too soon" and/or unfunny material, when to be honest, I know I cross the line a LOT.

Mikey was right, my reputation preceeded me. I don't have an issue with that either.

Im not the only one saying your not funny or you think you are funnier then you are or that no one gets you! Seems like a lot of people think this way.

[grlNIN]

remember when Heath Ledger died?

TRUE.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2848/heathon3.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2174/aug0206heathledgercw7.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1648/271357a14947pyk6.jpg

[IamPixie]

TRUE.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2848/heathon3.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2174/aug0206heathledgercw7.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1648/271357a14947pyk6.jpg

I was gonna make a funwithcorpses jokes...maybe not.

[topless_mike]

pull up a chair for good ol' shirley phelps at his funeral

story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/)

[angrymissy]

I wish they wouldn't even give her the press from it

[jetdog]

On another note, the trailer for new batman movie does not look that good. Yes Ledger is creepy in it, but the movie in its entirety looks too much like a rehash of the Keaton/Nicholson flick. Just a trailer though...

[EliSnow]

On another note, the trailer for new batman movie does not look that good. Yes Ledger is creepy in it, but the movie in its entirety looks too much like a rehash of the Keaton/Nicholson flick. Just a trailer though...

I have to disagree on the rehash part. What portions of it make you think that?

[Freitag]

I wish they wouldn't even give her the press from it

Good luck with that. People eat up salacious news, and this is no exception.

I don't get why people don't fight back against them. Throw water baloons, have some sort of counter protest.

I mean, Ron putting her on the air just feeds into that.

[Freitag]

I have to disagree on the rehash part. What portions of it make you think that?

Agreed... Nolan's vision of Batman is completely different than Burton's. Besides, this Joker is apparently the Red Hand version, not some Joe Chill/Joker amalgam.

[jetdog]

I have to disagree on the rehash part. What portions of it make you think that?

Well the feel of it...
The butler, whatever his name is, giving Bruce the moral pep talk, the joker showing up at the party and batman confronting him after he tangles with the girl, the street/alley scene where the joker is daring batman to hit him on the bike...doesn't that sound familiar to you?
It just doesn't look like it will have the creative story line and development like Batman Begins, but again, it's just a trailer.

[EliSnow]

Just as an aside, I want to vent anger at Access Hollywood, and I can't get a contact e-mail to do it to them directly.

I hate the show in general, but my wife loves it so it's always on. Last night, Access Hollywood's reporter on the Ledger story said that drug residue was found on the $20 bill in Ledger's apartment.

This was just 30 mintues after watching NBC and other sources saying the NYPD said no residue was found.

Now the Access Hollywood piece was filmed earlier in the day, but come on. And I know they won't run a retraction saying they made an error.

[jetdog]

Besides, this Joker is apparently the Red Hand version, not some Joe Chill/Joker amalgam.

I don't even know what that means...

[EliSnow]

Well the feel of it...
The butler, whatever his name is, giving Bruce the moral pep talk, the joker showing up at the party and batman confronting him after he tangles with the girl, the street/alley scene where the joker is daring batman to hit him on the bike...doesn't that sound familiar to you?
It just doesn't look like it will have the creative story line and development like Batman Begins, but again, it's just a trailer.

Okay, Alfred gives a prep talk in virtually every Batman movie and issue he appears in.

Bats confronting the Joker at a public function that the Joker disrupts is another familiar chestnut from Batman comics.

The alley thing, you may have something there, but just the way the Joker is portrayed in this film versus Nicholson's portrayal is just so different, that any thought of rehash doesn't occur to me.

[EliSnow]

I don't even know what that means...

Freitag meant Red Hood, but he's referring to the Joker's origin in the Tim Burton Batman, which differs from the comics origin.

In most origins of the Joker in the comics, the Joker is forced by crooks to dress as a villain called the Red Hood during a robbery/criminal act. I think his family is threatened. Then Batman breaks it up, but the Joker falls into a chemical vat, and is changed. Plus, his family is killed. So he snaps, and becomes the Joker.

Also, in many of the comics version of Batman's origin, a crook named Joe Chill kills Bats' parents. Not the Joker (as seen in Burton's Batman).

[jetdog]

Okay, Alfred gives a prep talk in virtually every Batman movie and issue he appears in.

Bats confronting the Joker at a public function that the Joker disrupts is another familiar chestnut from Batman comics.

The alley thing, you may have something there, but just the way the Joker is portrayed in this film versus Nicholson's portrayal is just so different, that any thought of rehash doesn't occur to me.

Sure, I'm not versed in the comic background, I guess I just saw something in almost every scene that, at least, reminded me of the Keaton/Nicholson flick. Agreed though on the difference of the Joker portrayal.

[Rockvillejoe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockvillejoe
No-ho you maniac! You are thinking of Heath Shuler! That's way too funny. Dude you rule!

(has it come to this? a compulsion to comment and pat yourself on the back? who knows heath shuler anyway? this facile attempt at shits and grins only belies the true depth of your actual depravity and isolation. i implore, beseech you, cease and desist from such humiliating behavior or as god as a witness i will thow your keyboard through the locked cabinet of faberge eggs. you know i mean it.)


You're a strange guy.

strange? or somehow prescient.... a personal statement, or more a comment on present day, human condition? isolated, yet part of a community-a, cyber-community, if you will, where the accepted form of interaction is via words to faceless souls....i say to you mikeyboy, strange? beg to differ, oh exalted commander of this forum. telling? oh, quite so.

[TheCarter]

That's not even a reliable account of what happened. That origin comes from the Joker's mouth in The Killing Joke, and if you notice, he mentions how he has different versions of his own origin in his head. We got the "family threatened, red hood origin."

I think in all likeliness he was fucking insane to begin with and became the Red Hood on his own volition. But who knows.

[EliSnow]

That's not even a reliable account of what happened. That origin comes from the Joker's mouth in The Killing Joke, and if you notice, he mentions how he has different versions of his own origin in his head. We got the "family threatened, red hood origin."

I think in all likeliness he was fucking insane to begin with and became the Red Hood on his own volition. But who knows.

I guess you're referring to my post?

You're right about the Killing Joke, but since then I believed that stories in the general contiuity have bought that origin story.

I may be wrong though. I was going off my memory of the last 20 years of Batman comics, and the continuity changes (which because of Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis) have been somewhat confusing.

[tupper65]

Did anybody hear about this?

Nicholson Warned Ledger About Joker Role:
Jack Nicholson has hinted he warned tragic Heath Ledger against taking on the role of The Joker in the new Batman film. Ledger, 28 - who was declared dead at 3:30pm at his Manhattan apartment on Tuesday - publicly declared himself exhausted and sleep deprived in November following the grueling shoot for The Dark Knight. Nicholson, who famously portrayed the menacing Joker in Tim Burton's 1989 movie Batman, implied to the waiting crowd outside plush London restaurant The Wolesley on Tuesday night he spoke to Ledger about his role in The Dark Knight - and warned him about the pitfalls of taking on such a demanding challenge. When asked by the London crowds for his reaction to Ledger's untimely demise, a defeated Nicholson simply replied, "I told him so."

See, the Joker killed Heath Ledger

[EliSnow]

Just some Joker origin stuff I found online.

Detective Comics #168 in 1951 has the Joker's origin being a small time crook known as the Red Hood, falling into the vat, etc.

The Killing Joke, as TheCarter said, has several versions, but has one version where he is a criminal, but his gang switches who the Red Hood appears to be. His wife dies from a household accident, he finds out, tries to back out, but is forced to go through with the break-in as the Red Hood, and he falls into the vat.

Gotham Knights #50-55 shows the Joker being forced into being the Red Hood by criminals who kidnap and kill his wife.

In a Paul Dini/Alex Ross story, he's a violent crminal who takes on the Red Hood persona, and falls into the vat of chemicals, etc.

On the DC Comics website, for the Joker, they're showing a two pager (http://www.dccomics.com/heroes_and_villains/?hv=origin_stories/joker&p=1)seen originally last year in 52 I believe, which leaves the origin wide open but references the different origns told over the years.

[keithy_19]

Oh ok, i'll be at Google images for the next hour or so.

"Researching".

Masterbating to a recently deceased guy? Creepy...























Yet I'm turned on by the thought...:unsure:

[Furtherman]

Just as an aside, I want to vent anger at Access Hollywood.

You can add Nancy Grace to that list. I don't usually watch the beast but last night, even after saying that no residue was found, she kept holding up a rolled $20 bill, but with a pencil... as if it was evidence. She then proceeded to ask guests why would a rolled up bill be there? Couldn't let it go. I had to change the channel.

[Rockvillejoe]

You can add Nancy Grace to that list. I don't usually watch the beast but last night, even after saying that no residue was found, she kept holding up a rolled $20 bill, but with a pencil... as if it was evidence. She then proceeded to ask guests why would a rolled up bill be there? Couldn't let it go. I had to change the channel.

nancy grace is a cunt. thank you.

[Furtherman]

He's funny in this clip:

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[IamPixie]

since I was at work all day....

http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/h/heath_ledger/thumbnails/tn2_heath_ledger_1.jpg

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/o/oscars06/eye_candy/heath1.jpg

http://bp2.blogger.com/_2EVRSbS-DF8/Rt1aDBhzLqI/AAAAAAAAEe0/9rPQwXsQRII/s1600/heath_ledger_4.jpg

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/news_heathledger3_thumb.jpg

[scottinnj]

Did anybody hear about this?

Nicholson Warned Ledger About Joker Role:
Jack Nicholson has hinted he warned tragic Heath Ledger against taking on the role of The Joker in the new Batman film. Ledger, 28 - who was declared dead at 3:30pm at his Manhattan apartment on Tuesday - publicly declared himself exhausted and sleep deprived in November following the grueling shoot for The Dark Knight. Nicholson, who famously portrayed the menacing Joker in Tim Burton's 1989 movie Batman, implied to the waiting crowd outside plush London restaurant The Wolesley on Tuesday night he spoke to Ledger about his role in The Dark Knight - and warned him about the pitfalls of taking on such a demanding challenge. When asked by the London crowds for his reaction to Ledger's untimely demise, a defeated Nicholson simply replied, "I told him so."

See, the Joker killed Heath Ledger


And yet Nicholson lives and is giving us this garbage:


http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Bucket_List/the_bucket_list_movie_poster_onesheet.jpg




Life is never fair.

[Snacks]

And yet Nicholson lives and is giving us this garbage:


http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Bucket_List/the_bucket_list_movie_poster_onesheet.jpg




Life is never fair.

I think that looks like a great movie. 2 great actors in a movie about doing everything before you die? Sounds pretty nice!

[thepaulo]

I'd like to sit on the Pyramids before I die.

[thepaulo]

There is a rumor that Johnny Depp will take over filming of Heath Ledger's role in the new Terry Gilliam film.....The film is half finished but they are at the point where Heath crosses over into another dimension and therefore could become a totally different person

[JimBeam]

Link to a story here about Gilliam and the current movie he's filming.

Apparently in the past he's gotten screwed on some other movie he was filming.

http://www.filmdrunk.com/post.phtml?pk=1013

[JimBeam]

I had also read that story about Nicholson/Ledger and it didn't make much sense.

Apparently this version is more plausible :

http://entertainment.aol.ca/article/jack-ambien-warning/67635/

My wife has taken Ambien before but I've never seen her sleepwalk or anything.

[zathrus]

Have the cops said if there was something on the rolled up $20 or are we still waiting?

[sailor]

Link to a story here about Gilliam and the current movie he's filming.

Apparently in the past he's gotten screwed on some other movie he was filming.

http://www.filmdrunk.com/post.phtml?pk=1013

did you really not know of gilliam's don quixote movie?

[JimBeam]

Honestly I hadn't heard anything at all about it.

If I had heard about it I never absorbed the information.

[HBox]

Gilliam never has a movie go out smoothly.

[Fallon]

Have the cops said if there was something on the rolled up $20 or are we still waiting?

No trace of drugs on it.

[TheMojoPin]

Gilliam never has a movie go out smoothly.

Seriously. He must have ulcers the size of babies.

What the fuck is Nicholson talking about if he "warned" Ledger that playing the Joker is an intense experience? Nicholson was entertaining in the Burton film, but let's face it...he was playing Jack Nicholson with clown makeup and little else. If that's "intense" for him, I guess he almost died making shit like Anger Management and The Bucket List.

[JimBeam]

Mojo he supposedly warned Ledger about taking Ambien and not about playing the part of The Joker.

Supposedly cited one time when he took Ambien that he wound up in his car and had no memory of it.

What I'd like to know is when they worked together or had a coversation that devolved into what medications they took.

[ChrisTheCop]

I thought Christian Slater was responsible for filling all dead kid roles.

[Jujubees2]

Heath Ledger died of accidental overdose

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23029566/

Does it still make him a bad person Matty?

[Snacks]

Heath Ledger died of accidental overdose

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23029566/

Does it still make him a bad person Matty?

Come on you already know what Mr opinionated will say. "Doesnt mater he should have known better, he has a kid" or "He shouldnt need drugs to sleep, thats just selfish"

The pressures of life can get to you at times. All of us go through shit, but when you are under a microscope at all times , sometimes you cant handle it. I know what its like not to be able to fall a sleep. Not like 1 night here or there but In talking about for days and months at a time. I took ambien and started getting used to it so i upped it to 2 pills. If I would have upped it to more or added something maybe I would have died. You never know but people out there like tenbats love to look in other people business and judge. Like they have any right!

[zathrus]

I had a feeling that it was going to be the same as Anna Nicole (accidental overdose). Still sucks. I thought he was a good actor.

[Heather 8]

Heath Ledger died of accidental overdose

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23029566/

Does it still make him a bad person Matty?


Knock it off with the tenbats baiting. Seriously. This thread's veered off topic too many times as is.

That said, not shocked with this news. Shit like that happens far too often, especially when someone is too ill to realize just how much meds they're taking at a time.

[EliSnow]

I had a feeling that it was going to be the same as Anna Nicole (accidental overdose). Still sucks. I thought he was a good actor.

While I get your point, I don't think we can call it "the same as Anna Nicole." From what I've read, Smith was abusing drugs a lot more than Ledger. I get the sense from the news that with the roles he was taking (Dark Knight and the last role) and the break-up, his health (both physicial and mental) was low.

I could be way off here.

[EliSnow]

Have the cops said if there was something on the rolled up $20 or are we still waiting?

Two days after his death, they said there was nothing on the $20.

[SPeeDy_Freak]

Just checking in.... is he still dead?

[TheMojoPin]

I think it was a suicide.

He just didn't write a note because of the strike.

[EliSnow]

I think it was a suicide.

He just didn't write a note because of the strike.

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/images/smilies/rimshot.gif

[zathrus]

I compared them because the medical examiner for each death, both said that it was an accidental overdose.

[EliSnow]

I compared them because the medical examiner for each death, both said that it was an accidental overdose.

I know. I guess I was making a distinction (which may not be accurate) that the two deaths were very different. I think Smith's death was just a matter of time given her lifestyle, substance abuse, etc., whereas Ledger did not seem to be on that pattern.

But then what do I know? Maybe he was abusing the substances more than Smith was.

[jetdog]

I think it was a suicide.

He just didn't write a note because of the strike.

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/images/smilies/rimshot.gif

:lol:

[zathrus]

With the combination of drugs that he was taking, why wasn't a dr keeping a close eye on him and why didn't his housekeeper call 911. Still trying to figure out the Mary Kate Olsen connection?

[PapaBear]

With the combination of drugs that he was taking, why wasn't a dr keeping a close eye on him and why didn't his housekeeper call 911. Still trying to figure out the Mary Kate Olsen connection?
I don't know if this is true with this case, but unfortunately, too many people go to more than one doctor and don't let all their docs know what the other docs are prescribing. Quite often, it's the pharmacist that catches this stuff. But in a case with someone who does a lot of traveling, I doubt he got all of his prescriptions filled by one pharmacist, either.

[zathrus]

I'm not positive, but i think i remember hearing that some of the meds were from over seas.

[joethebartender]

I love how the NY Daily News had to put little thumbnail pictures of all of the pills and their brand/generic names next to a picture of him today. Shit; they might as well put little lines coming out of the pills pointing to his head!

[PapaBear]

This sounds like a really stupid idea.

Law, Depp and Farrell to replace Ledger in film (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080219/en_nm/ledger_dc_1)



They will all play the role of Tony in the fantasy film which Ledger had been filming before his death.

It was not immediately clear how the role will be reconstructed for three actors.

[WampusCrandle]

This sounds like a really stupid idea.

Law, Depp and Farrell to replace Ledger in film (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080219/en_nm/ledger_dc_1)

that could be really bad or really good - either way, i am probably going to see that movie just to see what he looks like

[fezident]

Ho
ly
shit

I don't know how this movie did not garner more attention but, CANDY really is an amazing piece of work.
http://www.amazon.com/Candy-Abbie-Cornish/dp/B000LAZDPG

I suspect it's because the trailers don't really let the audience know that it's a devasting movie about drugs, addiction, love, loss, withdrawals, and pain. It's almost hard to watch.

Not for the faint of heart.
Heath goes to places that few actors go in this movie. As charming as he is troubled.

Truly truly devastating. Wow.