who are YOU supporting?

[keithy_19]

Among the myriad of presidential threads, if this is already one, please do away with it.

Very simply, who are YOU supporting for president. Not who you think will will win, just who you would like to see take the oval office next january.

After much debating between John McCain and Barak Obama, I am officially tipping my hat to Mr. Obama. When I researched the issues, him and McCain aren't all that different in what they stand for. Of course the big issue is the Iraq war, in which Obama supports a timed withdrawl.

If it is Hillary and McCain, than I want McCain.

If it is Obama and Romney, I want Obama.

If it is Obama and McCain, I want Obama.

If it is Hillary and Romney, I'm going third party.

What say you fine American citizens, who are YOU supporting?

[Yerdaddy]

I'm almost equally happy with McCain or Clinton. I'm really hoping they both win the nomination so I can stop caring about them and really kick off the PiMB/FiFB campaign proper.

[Snacks]

I was voting in this order no matter what.

Edwards
Obama
Clinton
Mcain

Now that Edwards is out Im in for Obama.

[sailor]

i voted for mccain on super tuesday 8 years ago and will do the same in two days.

[Ritalin]

Obama

[A.J.]

Who is the Libertarian candidate?

[keithy_19]

Who is the Libertarian candidate?

http://www.xcomment.com/g1/img/marv1102607104251.gif

[DarkHippie]

I've got a crush on Obama

[keithy_19]

Who is the Libertarian candidate?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/Ron_Paul_Photo_4.jpg

[keithy_19]

It's weird how Obama fills me with optimism. Yes, it's all words right now, but I guess he's saying all the right things for me.

[Gvac]

It's weird how Obama fills me with optimism. Yes, it's all words right now, but I guess he's saying all the right things for me.

God bless you Keithy.

I wish I was 19 and could actually believe in political rhetoric again.

[epo]

My choices are simple:

1. Obama
2. Clinton

It's very partisan of me.

[Gvac]

My choices are simple:

1. Obama
2. Clinton

It's very partisan of me.

Your mother must be very proud.

[keithy_19]

God bless you Keithy.

I wish I was 19 and could actually believe in political rhetoric again.

I don't know if I believe it, but he seems to really stand for what he believes in. I like that. Though I know that's the key to being a politican. Get people to believe that you are true.

[epo]

Your mother must be very proud.

No doubt, I'm adorable.

[scottinnj]

No doubt, I'm adorable.

Mod Quote!

[Snoogans]

Ross Perot

[El Mudo]

Free Soil....


http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~walters/web%20103/Free%20Soil%20poster%201848.jpg




....Bitches.....

[ShowerBench]

1. Clinton
2. McCain

[high fly]

I don't have a favorit candidate and will take plenty more time to settle on one.

I do not see any Republican I would vote for, so it looks like my choice would be between Hillary or Obama.


The Republican I like the most would be Paul, because of his stands on budgets and Iraq, which reflect two conservative principals I share.

[led37zep]

1) John McCain.

[Hottub]

1) John McCain.

2nd.

[Uncle Fezster]

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ySFEVuVJwsU&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ySFEVuVJwsU&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

[FUNKMAN]

Fidel Castro

i mean if he didn't trip so much DOHHHHHHHHH!

i like Obama. if McCain gets in I may go Postal

[BoondockSaint]

Jeb.

[MellySmelly]

McCain

[Snacks]

2nd.

you know thats a wasted vote in NJ? I cant see any republican getting the NJ electoral votes. Come with Obama, hes very presidential. Something we havent had since Clinton. The only Republican that seems/looks/acts presidential is Romney but he is fucking nuts!

Kidding a side, imo Obama is the only choice now that Edwards has dropped out.

[epo]

Kidding a side, imo Obama is the only choice now that Edwards has dropped out.

The only choice? What is this Russia? This isn't Russia, is it?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/caddyshack/_group_photos/chevy_chase1.jpg

[thejives]

Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination this country is heading for a revitalization of politics. Some people say it's just words, but words are what form the poltical dialogue. If Clinton gets the nomination we're headed for the bunker again, with parties lobbing political bombs at each other for the next four to 8 years.

[scottinnj]

Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination this country is heading for a revitalization of politics. Some people say it's just words, but words are what form the poltical dialogue. If Clinton gets the nomination we're headed for the bunker again, with parties lobbing political bombs at each other for the next four to 8 years.

So true. Whatever the Republicans are loading up in anticipation for an Obama nomination will backfire on them, the first time he just smiles in response to the attack and gives us a Reagan "well, there you go again."

[sailor]

Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination this country is heading for a revitalization of politics. Some people say it's just words, but words are what form the poltical dialogue. If Clinton gets the nomination we're headed for the bunker again, with parties lobbing political bombs at each other for the next four to 8 years.

eh, whatever the public may think of them i've often heard two of the best at working across the aisle are mccain and clinton.

[Snacks]

The only choice? What is this Russia? This isn't Russia, is it?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/caddyshack/_group_photos/chevy_chase1.jpg

Im guessing you didnt notice "imo" meaning in my opinion. I think he is clearly the best choice now!!!

[AKA]

Clinton - the most qualified person to run for the office of president, imo, since Al Gore - and before him Richard Nixon; smart on all issues - domestic and foreign - she has also proven she can work across party lines (maybe even better than Bill). If she gets the nomination, the pressure will be intense for her to pick Obama as a running mate - which would be a huge gamble, but a huge victory if it pays off.

Obama - there should be no shame in being "swept up" - the guy is brilliant, and is one of the few people who really talks about the future for all Americans. My big fear is that we are seeing Jimmy Carter II (one-and-done) more so than a return to Camelot - but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hopeful and a little inspired. I think Hillary would be out for his possible running mate - look for Richardson or even Edwards, but maybe even the female Govenor of Kansas, who is stumping hard for him right now.

McCain - way too hawkish for my taste, but will work well with everyone (unless you're Mitt Romney, then he will just lie about your record) - he's the third best Democrat running (now that Edwards dropped out). The Republicans love to reward the also-rans: Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Dole were all GOP nominees who had previously lost the nominations years earlier - so, it really isn't a huge shock that he might get it.

Romney - just ballsy how he can co-opt any message and pretend it is his own (he is using the same "change" font as Obama in those signs, isn't he?) - while he is an improvement (on paper) over the Bush crowd, and he might be able to do a thing-or-two with the economy, he just gives off that creepy John Kerry vibe.

[Furtherman]

I'm glad McCain seems to be beating Romney. I can't vote for someone who follows a religion that was created in upstate New York by a guy who was trying to get out of debt.

I also like Obama's fresh and change in American politics that he could bring, but he's also inexperienced. I'd feel more comfortable voting for him later in his career.

It looks like McCain for me... but it may be a game time decision.

[A.J.]

Clinton - the most qualified person to run for the office of president, imo, since Al Gore - and before him Richard Nixon;-

How so? She's only spent seven years as the junior Senator from New York.

When Gore first ran for President in 1988 he had only been a year or two into his Senate from a couple of House terms. Gore and Nixon served two terms as Veep. THAT'S where they got their experience and qualifications.

[AKA]

How so? She's only spent seven years as the junior Senator from New York.

When Gore first ran for President in 1988 he had only been a year or two into his Senate from a couple of House terms. Gore and Nixon served two terms as Veep. THAT'S where they got their experience and qualifications.

Yeah - she learned nothing from 1992-1999.

[A.J.]

Yeah - she learned nothing from 1992-1999.

Following that logic, Andy Card should be the next GOP nominee. Or Karl Rove. Or Laura Bush.

I'm not busting your balls -- I just don't happen to think she's as qualified as Nixon or Gore.

[Dirtybird12]

Hands down - OBAMA

[high fly]

After 8 years of acting as George W. Bush's toilet paper, McCain is not the "maverick" he likes to make himself out to be.....


After the way he smilingly accepted the scummy way Bush treated him, it's hard to imagine McCain has anything but air in his bozack......

[topless_mike]

unfortunatly, i will be skipping this election.
none of the candidates seem like they give a shit about the people.

in my closed minded stark opinion, whoever we vote for will end up giving the people the shocker, so why bother.

[keithy_19]

unfortunatly, i will be skipping this election.
none of the candidates seem like they give a shit about the people.

in my closed minded stark opinion, whoever we vote for will end up giving the people the shocker, so why bother.

I would probably see who has the softest, smoothest hands then. I hear Obama lathers them every chance he can.

[high fly]

I would probably see who has the softest, smoothest hands then. I hear Obama lathers them every chance he can.


Yeah, but isn't that Muslim lather?

[keithy_19]

Yeah, but isn't that Muslim lather?

Yes. Camel lather.

[FUNKMAN]

Yes. Camel lather.

http://www.ssmt-reviews.com/images/difranco/band.jpg

[joethebartender]

voting for the good doctor later today.

http://silenceisdefeat.org/~chris/blog/images/cartoon20071212.gif

[Heather 8]

Just put in my vote for Obama this morning.

[Gritty]

Ron Paul.

He's just crazy enough that it might work.

[high fly]

Ron Paul.

He's just crazy enough that it might work.

I liked Arlo Guthrie's endorsement of Dr. Paul.
Guthrie said he was supporting Paul because Paul was the only candidate who wouls support the Constitution as it is written today.

I am surprised at how many Republicans have raced right past Paul in order to support Huckabee, thinking the Huckster is more "conservative."
Or, for that matter, Romney or McCain.

The fact is, Ron Paul is the most consistently conservative candidate in the bunch.
The rest have been disastrous in terms of financial responsibility, yet Paul has never voted for a budget that wasn't balanced.
The rest have gone along with unwarranted expansion of federal power.
And the rest have become convinced that a far-left Wilsonian 'make-the-world-safe-for-democracy' foreign policy is somehow conservative.........


I think Ron Paul functions as one who exposes the faux conservatives for not being truly "conservative" after all................

[JerseySean]

Among the myriad of presidential threads, if this is already one, please do away with it.

Very simply, who are YOU supporting for president. Not who you think will will win, just who you would like to see take the oval office next january.

After much debating between John McCain and Barak Obama, I am officially tipping my hat to Mr. Obama. When I researched the issues, him and McCain aren't all that different in what they stand for. Of course the big issue is the Iraq war, in which Obama supports a timed withdrawl.

If it is Hillary and McCain, than I want McCain.

If it is Obama and Romney, I want Obama.

If it is Obama and McCain, I want Obama.

If it is Hillary and Romney, I'm going third party.

What say you fine American citizens, who are YOU supporting?

ROmney

[thejives]

unfortunatly, i will be skipping this election.
none of the candidates seem like they give a shit about the people.

in my closed minded stark opinion, whoever we vote for will end up giving the people the shocker, so why bother.


Hey... buck up.

[thejives]

Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination this country is heading for a revitalization of politics. Some people say it's just words, but words are what form the poltical dialogue. If Clinton gets the nomination we're headed for the bunker again, with parties lobbing political bombs at each other for the next four to 8 years.

So true. Whatever the Republicans are loading up in anticipation for an Obama nomination will backfire on them, the first time he just smiles in response to the attack and gives us a Reagan "well, there you go again."

Holy crap scott. We agree on something.
Because of Obama.

It's started already.

[high fly]

Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination this country is heading for a revitalization of politics. Some people say it's just words, but words are what form the poltical dialogue. If Clinton gets the nomination we're headed for the bunker again, with parties lobbing political bombs at each other for the next four to 8 years.

I wish it were so.
Unfortunately, the right-wing bombthrowers will still be out there, dug in, demanding not one inch be compromised in a system that is based upon compromise.

There are still far too many of them and they have waaay too much political influence.

[thejives]

I wish it were so.
Unfortunately, the right-wing bombthrowers will still be out there, dug in, demanding not one inch be compromised in a system that is based upon compromise.

There are still far too many of them and they have waaay too much political influence.

You have a point. I'm not completely out of touch.
But if there was ever a time to take a shot at it... this is it.

The right is fragmented, Obama has the rhetoric and values to draw in a coalition of moderates, and he can beat 100-years-of-war-made-love-to-Bush McCain. It's definitely not a slam dunk, but it's worth going for.

[high fly]

I agree, good points.

This certainly is the best opportunity we have seen in a looong time to get beyond the polarization that has kept our nation so divided.


Last night I was thinking about a point I think GVac made about the paucity of talent and/or experience.
Then I got to thinking about the idea of term limits.
If we had term limits, wouldn't that ensure we would have candidates with thin resumes?

[thejives]

Term limits are interesting.
I don't know what I think about them.

But this year we'll see the first senator elected president since Kennedy.
And if it's McCain it'll be the longest serving Senator elected president (possibly ever? Epo?)

So a lot of experience in congress doesn't seem to have been attractive credentials for a President. It could also be that being president has less to do with longevity in government, and more to do with the ability to connect with voters and overwhelming ambition.

[extracheese]

http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460


This is the best website. It asks 14 simple multiple choice questions. And tells you which candidates you most align with.

[AKA]

Term limits are interesting.

I have always wanted presidential term limits - one 6 year term - to eliminate the full year used to run for re-election during their administration. Maybe allow the former president to run again in another 6 year cycle. Maybe they can do that unlimited, if they like.

[epo]

Term limits are interesting.
I don't know what I think about them.

But this year we'll see the first senator elected president since Kennedy.
And if it's McCain it'll be the longest serving Senator elected president (possibly ever? Epo?)

So a lot of experience in congress doesn't seem to have been attractive credentials for a President. It could also be that being president has less to do with longevity in government, and more to do with the ability to connect with voters and overwhelming ambition.

If elected you are correct, John McCain would be the longest serving Senator elected President. Andrew Jackson had the previous record.

Also, if Clinton, McCain or Obama were elected, the next President would only be the third active Senator to be elected to the presidency. The other two were JFK & Warren Harding.

[thejives]

If elected you are correct, John McCain would be the longest serving Senator elected President. Andrew Jackson had the previous record.

Also, if Clinton, McCain or Obama were elected, the next President would only be the third active Senator to be elected to the presidency. The other two were JFK & Warren Harding.

I knew I could count on Epo.

Would McCain also be the first pirate?
http://punchup.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/john_mccain.jpg

[epo]

McCain would be the first Pirate-elect. However this is a small accomplishment in the annuls of history, as William Harrison was the first Munster-elect:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/images/wh9.gif

[high fly]

Notice how in olden times instead of a side-to-side comb-over, they went back-to-front...

[thejives]

Notice how in olden times instead of a side-to-side comb-over, they went back-to-front...

Harrison's comb over is even more impressive when you realize that's back hair.

[sailor]

http://users.marshall.edu/~haynes21/bartles_jaymes.jpg

[A.J.]

Last night I was thinking about a point I think GVac made about the paucity of talent and/or experience.
Then I got to thinking about the idea of term limits.
If we had term limits, wouldn't that ensure we would have candidates with thin resumes?

Exactly. And it's institutionalized apathy. You want term limits? Go to the ballot box and vote the bastards out. On the other hand, if you think your President, Senator or Rep. is doing a good job for you and the country, let them keep their jobs.

[high fly]

I agree.
If there are institutional advantages to incumbency, then we can work on eliminating them.
If someone with real talent is in there, then they should be allowed to keep the job, just as in the private sector.

For me, the ideal resume of a president would include having been a governor, U.S. representative, U.S. senator and experience in combat.
I want a man or woman in there who has managed a large bureaucracy, who has some foreign policy experience, and who has given orders that have gotten people killed.
A president needs to have exceptional judgement, and this repugnance of "elites" is misplaced, because a president often has to choose between conflicting advisors and intelligence reports. A president must have the wisdom to recognize when a minority view may be the course to take, and that the "worst case scenario" may lead him to take the wrong decision.
I want a president who can stand up to the powers-that-be of his party and public opinion as well.
I want a president who understands that government can indeed do good things and is there to protect the people and to make their lives better.

This election is tough for me, because I don't see candidates who are anywhere close to what I want....