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El Mudo
02-17-2008, 12:12 PM
Yeah....this is going to end well... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_re_eu/kosovo_independence)


I give it about 5 minutes after NATO completely pulls out of there (which will happen eventually) that the first Serb tank crosses the border...

A.J.
02-17-2008, 12:48 PM
Ninety percent of Kosovo's 2 million people are ethnic Albanian — most of them secular Muslims — and they see no reason to stay joined to the rest of Christian Orthodox Serbia.

Kosovo is still protected by 16,000 NATO-led peacekeepers, and the alliance boosted its patrols over the weekend in hopes of discouraging violence. International police, meanwhile, deployed to back up local forces in the tense north.

Western troops occupying a Muslim country? BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!

furie
02-17-2008, 12:53 PM
a territory gets resettled by foreigners, declares independence, starts a war involving the country that owned the land and the country where the settlers came from? sounds like Texas...

El Mudo
02-17-2008, 02:23 PM
Western troops occupying a Muslim country? BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!




I bet it will take just ONE incident involving some nut taking out a bunch of NATO troops before they say "your mom's box" and end the whole thing

If anything this is a HUGE issue between us and the Russians...and something that should really have a lot of attention paid to it, which of course, means it won't

high fly
02-17-2008, 10:03 PM
Little known historic fact:
This is where Superstar Bill Clinton handed al Qaeda its first defeat.
In the negotiations for the Dayton Accords, the administration insisted in exchange for protecting the Muslims they must expel al Qaedas and dismantle their camps.
FoxNews military analyst Colonel David Hunt participated in operations to make sure these camps were dismantled and the terrists were sent packing.

El Mudo
02-18-2008, 11:41 AM
US, EU powers recognize Kosovo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080218/ap_on_re_eu/kosovo_independence)



Kosovo's leaders sent letters to 192 countries seeking formal recognition and Britain, France, Germany and U.S. were among the countries that backed the request. But other European Union nations were opposed, including Spain which has battled a violent Basque separatist movement for decades.


Serbia withdrew its ambassador from Washington over the U.S. decision to recognize Kosovo.


Despite calls for restraint, tensions flared in northern Kosovo, home to most of the territory's 100,000 minority Serbs. An explosion damaged a U.N. vehicle outside the ethnically divided town of Kosovska Mitrovica, where thousands of Serbs demonstrated, chanting "this is Serbia!"

The crowds marched to a bridge spanning a river dividing the town between the ethnic Albanian and Serbian sides. They were confronted by NATO peacekeepers guarding the bridge, but there was no violence.





There will be soon tho....this is going to get VERY ugly....

furie
02-18-2008, 12:37 PM
this'll turn into a Northern Ireland circa 1960 real soon.

El Mudo
02-21-2008, 06:07 PM
We got um....."removed" from our embassy in Belgrade... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/22/wbelgrade122.xml)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/02/22/wbelgrade122.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/02/21/kosovo/k7.jpg



This is another thing I thought was interesting...


The hardline nationalist Tomislav Nikolic, who narrowly lost Serbia's presidential election to the moderate Boris Tadic earlier this month, compared the struggle over Kosovo to the Second World War.

He said: "Hitler could not take it away from us and we will not rest until Kosovo is again under Serbia's control."


Thats one constant you will ALWAYS get from any hardline Serb nationalist...a discussion of past wrongs....they are forever looking backward, and thats a huge problem

El Mudo
02-22-2008, 05:17 PM
UN Police attacked (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_kosovo)


KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Kosovo - Violent protests rocked Serb-dominated northern Kosovo on Friday, as mobs chanting "Kosovo is ours!" hurled stones, bottles and firecrackers at U.N. police guarding a bridge that divides Serbs from ethnic Albanians.


There were disturbing signs the riots in Belgrade, Serbia, and in Mitrovica have the blessing of nationalists in the Serbian government. The government hopes somehow to undo the loss of the beloved province, the site of an epic battle between Serbs and Turks in 1389.

Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica's authorities have repeatedly vowed to reclaim the land, despite U.S. and other Western recognition of Kosovo's statehood. Some hard-line government ministers have praised the violent protests as "legitimate" — and in line with government policies of retaining control over Serb-populated areas.

In Washington, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said it was time for Serbs to accept that Kosovo is no longer theirs. She also suggested it was time to drop centuries of grievance and sentimentality in the Balkans.

"We believe that the resolution of Kosovo's status will really, finally, let the Balkans begin to put its terrible history behind it," Rice said Friday. "I mean, after all, we're talking about something from 1389 — 1389! It's time to move forward."


I think that's kinda short sighted on Condi's part....the battle of Kosovo has SOMETHING to do with Serbian interests in the area, but its not the whole deal. There's a whole lot of other things including hatred of the Turks (the Serb words for "turk" and "muslim" are the same), and all the other stuff that happened during World War Two among other things....its just a very very tense situation, and to just name one root cause is too simplistic

Bulldogcakes
02-22-2008, 05:38 PM
Yeah....this is going to end well... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_re_eu/kosovo_independence)


I give it about 5 minutes after NATO completely pulls out of there (which will happen eventually) that the first Serb tank crosses the border...


Let me guess. That's Iraq a year after we pull out?

El Mudo
07-23-2008, 10:45 AM
Big news this week was the arrest of Radovan Karadzic....a really big figure on the war crimes circuit, most responsible for the massacre at Srebenica


Who was hiding in plain sight for 10 years (albeit with this fancy disguise) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7521383.stm)


More details have emerged of Mr Karadzic's life on the run practising alternative medicine under the name of Dragan Dabic.

Masquerading as an expert in human quantum energy, the fugitive was so confident in his disguise he even had his own website, and would give out business cards during alternative medicine lectures.

His card gave his name as D D David, D D apparently standing for his pseudonym Dragan Dabic.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44855000/jpg/_44855300_karadzic_afp226b.jpg



Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic have both been charged and indicted by the United Nations war crimes tribunal at The Hague.

They face numerous counts of genocide, crimes against humanity and violation of the laws of war in Bosnia-Hercegovina between April 1992 and July 1995.

There are 11 counts against Mr Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb political leader, and 15 against Mr Mladic, who commanded the Bosnian Serb army.

The indictment says they were responsible for persecution of Bosnian Muslim (Bosniak) and Bosnian Croat civilians on national, political and religious grounds.

The tribunal says Mr Karadzic's and Mr Mladic's squads killed more than 7,000 Bosnian Muslims captured around Srebrenica in July 1995.






And further...

It says Mr Karadzic and Mr Mladic are responsible for the unlawful confinement, murder, rape and inhumane treatment of the non-Serb civilian population in Bosnia-Hercegovina. Detainees were terrorised by random brutality and sexual violence, it says.

It lists detention facilities - such as Omarska, Keraterm and Luka - where Bosniaks and Croats were detained, and says the camp commanders were accountable to Mr Karadzic and Mr Mladic.

In many instances, women and girls were repeatedly raped in the camps.

Food rations and medical care in the prisons were inadequate.

Mr Karadzic and Mr Mladic are also accused of shelling Sarajevo, and of using 284 UN peacekeepers as human shields in May and June 1995.

The hunt is still on for Mladic, but many feel that they should be somewhat close to getting him depending on if Karadzic talks


The ultra nationalists are making noise again tho...it could get bad again...

El Mudo
07-23-2008, 10:51 AM
And just for kicks, here's Karadzic's Alternative Medicine website... (http://www.psy-help-energy.com/Index.html)