Movies That Sparked Crappy Knockoffs

[DiabloSammich]

I'm watching Krush Groove. Don't ask.

But I was thinking, that there was this run of urban, rap, breakdancing, movies in the early '80s that was started by Breakin'.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Platoon started a run of Vietnam war based movies in the '80s as well, most of them not good.


What other movies came out as fairly innovative originals, or creative recalling of older genres, and was immediately followed by four or five years of similar, much weaker films in the same vein?



Oh, Krush Groove is sooo bad. But I can't stop.

[fezident]

Lemme just get it outta the way already:
PULP FICTION.

[pennington]

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[Tall_James]

Uh... Star Wars anyone?

[pennington]

Disaster Movies:

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[TooLowBrow]

anything preceded by 'national lampoon's'

[DiabloSammich]

Uh... Star Wars anyone?


God yeah, remember how bad the Black Hole was? Then there was Battlestar Galactica, Return of the Jedi.....just crap.

[Tall_James]

God yeah, remember how bad the Black Hole was? Then there was Battlestar Galactica, Return of the Jedi.....just crap.

For every "Battlestar Galactica" there were three pieces of shit like "Ice Pirates".

[TheMojoPin]

For every "Battlestar Galactica" there were three pieces of shit like "Ice Pirates".

The original BG was a piece of shit.

I vote for Jaws because of Orca.

Sammich, which do you think are the crappy Vietnam flicks? I was trying to think of the bad ones, and most of the 80's ones seemed good. I'd say the Rambo sequel blew, and any of those shitty Delta Force movies...were the Iron Eagle movies there?

[DiabloSammich]

The original BG was a piece of shit.

I vote for Jaws because of Orca.

Sammich, which do you think are the crappy Vietnam flicks? I was trying to think of the bad ones, and most of the 80's ones seemed good. I'd say the Rambo sequel blew, and any of those shitty Delta Force movies...were the Iron Eagle movies there?


When I was thinking Platoon it felt like Hanoi Hilton and Hamburger Hill were hot on it's heels. I don't even remember if they were vietnam flicks or not, but it felt like Platoon came out of nowhere, and then all of a sudden everybody had a modern war movie.

Oh and Full Metal Jacket, of which only half was any good.

[smiler grogan]

Mad Max, and its sequal The Road Warrior, granted neither are superb movies but the endless amount of post apocaliptical (sp.) nonsense that followed was painful.

[RhinoinMN]

When I think of "spoof movies" Airplane comes to mind. The sequels blew, but then came many, many more. These recent ones like Epic movie and Date Movie I didn't care for.

Was Airplane somewhat of the pioneer for movies of these type? I know that Kentucky fried movie was before airplane, but not as popular.

[smiler grogan]

Conan the Barbarian gave us beastmaster, krull, Red Sonya and many more of this fantast genre.

[DiabloSammich]

Mad Max, and its sequal The Road Warrior, granted neither are superb movies but the endless amount of post apocaliptical (sp.) nonsense that followed was painful.

When I think of "spoof movies" Airplane comes to mind. The sequels blew, but then came many, many more. These recent ones like Epic movie and Date Movie I didn't care for.

Was Airplane somewhat of the pioneer for movies of these type? I know that Kentucky fried movie was before airplane, but not as popular.



These are both perfect examples of what I'm talking about. The "spoof movie" still hasn't died off.

Unfortunately.

[DiabloSammich]

Conan the Barbarian gave us beastmaster, krull, Red Sonya and many more of this fantast genre.



Don't you think Conan was a byproduct of Jason and the Argonauts, Hercules, et al.?

[TheMojoPin]

Oh and Full Metal Jacket, of which only half was any good.

Yeah, the first half is good, the second half is great.

[smiler grogan]

Don't you think Conan was a byproduct of Jason and the Argonauts, Hercules, et al.?

Yes, but there was a decent amount of time btw. those movies and Conan. Conan and maybe more importantly Arnold himself started a new wave of these types of films.

[smiler grogan]

Smokey and the Bandit. Burt Reynolds tried to take this formlua and bleed it dry all by himself. Cannonball run, stroker ace, boogie nights.

[Hottub]

Apocolypse Now was first. Then Platoon.

I'll put Hamburger Hill up there with both of them. I am probably in the minority on this one.

[Judge Smails]

Alien sparked a shitload of movies about people trapped somewhere remote while a creature picks them off one by one. Spaceship, remote planet, asteroid, ship at sea, deep sea drilling station etc. etc. etc.

Also, Halloween = shitload of slasher films.

[Hottub]

Alien sparked a shitload of movies about people trapped somewhere remote while a creature pixks them off one by one. Spaceship, remote planet, asteroid, ship at sea, deep sea drilling station etc. etc. etc.

Also, Halloween = shitload of slasher films.

GAP. :nono:

[fezident]

Alien sparked a shitload of movies about people trapped somewhere remote while a creature pixks them off one by one. Spaceship, remote planet, asteroid, ship at sea, deep sea drilling station etc. etc. etc.



Good call.
Also... ALIEN might be one of the first movies I can remember with that small-squad-of-military-experts plot device. This one's a weapons expert, this one is a communications expert, this one can fix anything. etc etc.
After that, I saw that same group dynamic a million times over.
I know it was like that on Star Trek but, for some reason, in ALIEN it felt "smaller"... for lack of a better word. Almost like the team was a family (if that makes any sense.)

[TheMojoPin]

Good call.
Also... ALIEN might be one of the first movies I can remember with that small-squad-of-military-experts plot device. This one's a weapons expert, this one is a communications expert, this one can fix anything. etc etc.
After that, I saw that same group dynamic a million times over.

What about The Dirty Dozen? Or Kelly's Heroes? They did that first.

[jauble]

The original BG was a piece of shit.

I vote for Jaws because of Orca.

Sammich, which do you think are the crappy Vietnam flicks? I was trying to think of the bad ones, and most of the 80's ones seemed good. I'd say the Rambo sequel blew, and any of those shitty Delta Force movies...were the Iron Eagle movies there?

Im going to go with Casualties of War for this one, anything that has Shakey J. Fox as a soldier makes me cringe.

[Judge Smails]

Uh... Star Wars anyone?

Yeah, but Star Wars never had David Hasselhoff with a light saber

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[donnie_darko]

matrix anyone?

fucking "bullet time"

can't think of anything that's been ripped off more..

if only they had created that for dark city as well...

[fezident]

What about The Dirty Dozen? Or Kelly's Heroes? They did that first.
Never saw either of 'em.



(goes back into geekboy cave)

[TheMojoPin]

Im going to go with Casualties of War for this one, anything that has Shakey J. Fox as a soldier makes me cringe.

I gotta disagree. That flick is pretty good.

[mdr55]

Dawn of the Dead or Night of the Living Dead-----whatever the original zombies movie came out.

[Coach]

Ninja Movies/Chop Saki Movies..I loved Enter the Ninja..but American Ninja and it's sequals..bleech!!! although I will say that No retreat No Surrender was so bad it was funny..plus it was the first time I ever saw Van Damme in a movie

[Mike Teacher]

Alien sparked a shitload of movies about people trapped somewhere remote while a creature picks them off one by one. Spaceship, remote planet, asteroid, ship at sea, deep sea drilling station etc. etc. etc.

It sure spawned a clone army of like biomechanical-ish ripoffs in movies, album art, some done by Giger himself, sadly. I think it diluted the beauty of his work. But then again, I like AVP.

But Alien is essentially a re-write of 'It! The Terror from Beyond Space' released in 1958 and I think even Cameron may have borrowed a bit; check out the Wikipedia [yeah, I know]...

They have found only one survivor, Col. Edward Carruthers, and suspect him of having murdered the others to save rations for himself. Carruthers pleads his innocence, blaming the deaths of his colleagues on an unknown creature they encountered on the planet.

The commander is unsympathetic and orders the ship to return to Earth. However, before blasting off, a junior crew-member unwisely leaves a door to the spaceship open for a time...

After lift-off, the crew settle down for the long trip back to Earth. It is not long before things start to go amiss: In (now) typical horror-movie fashion, unimportant crew-members wander off to isolated parts of the ship and are dispatched by It. Usually, we see only a character's reaction shot and, perhaps, a looming shadow - the creature, at this point, is not clearly seen.

[Mike Teacher]

Good call.
Also... ALIEN might be one of the first movies I can remember with that small-squad-of-military-experts plot device. This one's a weapons expert, this one is a communications expert, this one can fix anything. etc etc.

Alien or Aliens?

Aliens had a bunch of experts in that they were Military; for Alien, Scott and O'Bannon specifically went away from the expert crew look/feel in previous movie Space Crews. 'Truckers in Space' was a phrase I think they used to convey they wanted this to seem like a regular job, not even a desirable one. Other then science officer Ash they seemed like a bunch of people who were tired and dirty and wanted to go home.

Why no, I havent over-analyzed the movie... not at all...

[EffMeBoobs]

Stupid cop movies:

Police Academy movies
Beverly Hills Cop movies
Super Troopers
Bad Boys


More recent:
Hot Fuzz
Reno 911

[tele7]

The Ring. Ever since it came out there has been a boatload of knockoffs. Also, all of them use the same creepy high speed special effect.

[Judge Smails]

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Started the whole "Talkie" fad

[jauble]

I gotta disagree. That flick is pretty good.

Perhaps I just dont get MJF. I get why people enjoy the back to the futures except the cowboy one, although I dont like any of them. I just never liked him as a movie guy. Family Ties was fine but I just was bothered by him (except as the OCD Dr. in scrubs).

[AKA]

The original Michael Keaton BATMAN in the 80s made Hollywood take notice of the potential of super-hero/comic book movies, but it wasn't until they could get the technology right that a SPIDER-MAN kicked down the door. It's now important to get big name directors and stars. Superhero movies are the modern equivilant of old westerns, 40s musicals, the 70s disaster movies or 80s, explosive action movies, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down - each year, it is always about "what's the big superhero movie?"

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There's an entire company in California that does nothing these days but rushed, crappy knock-offs. They normally try and have them done to coincide with the theatrical release. These are all real movies:

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and coming soon...

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[EliSnow]

Mojo mentioned Jaws, and Orca as a follow-on, but there were more like Pirahna, at least one giant Alligator/Crocodile movie, and The Deep (I beleive).

Blade Runner started a host of movies adapting Phillip K. Dick's work, none of them to the success that Blade Runner did (that's still going on). Although Total Recall was a good movie, and I liked Minority Report. I think it also started future distopia movies that also still go on.

Die Hard of course started a huge wave of man-against-terrorist movies like the Speeds, Under Seiges, Sudden Death.

[jauble]

Mojo mentioned Jaws, and Orca as a follow-on, but there were more like Pirahna, at least one giant Alligator/Crocodile movie, and The Deep (I beleive).

Blade Runner started a host of movies adapting Phillip K. Dick's work, none of them to the success that Blade Runner did (that's still going on). Although Total Recall was a good movie, and I liked Minority Report. I think it also started future distopia movies that also still go on.

Die Hard of course started a huge wave of man-against-terrorist movies like the Speeds, Under Seiges, Sudden Death.




I think they made a sequel to lake placid.

[TheMojoPin]

Stupid cop movies:

Police Academy movies
Beverly Hills Cop movies
Super Troopers
Bad Boys


More recent:
Hot Fuzz
Reno 911

That's pretty broad.

[TheMojoPin]

The Ring. Ever since it came out there has been a boatload of knockoffs. Also, all of them use the same creepy high speed special effect.

The Ring itself was a knockoff/remake of a Japanese film, so all those "J-Horror" flicks are knockoffs twice over.

[DiabloSammich]

Stupid cop movies:

Police Academy movies
Beverly Hills Cop movies
Super Troopers
Bad Boys


More recent:
Hot Fuzz
Reno 911


I agree with Mojo, EffMe, but you're on the right track.

Police Acadademy launched a whole string of classroom jerkoffs coming together deal (Moving Violations)

Beverly Hills Cop I think started the wisetalking cop/buddy formula that Murphy himself duplicated in 48 Hours.

[TheMojoPin]

I agree with Mojo, EffMe, but you're on the right track.

Police Acadademy launched a whole string of classroom jerkoffs coming together deal (Moving Violations)

I'd say that was more an extension of Altman's MASH and then Animal House. The big group of cool screwballs who step up when they have to at the end.

Beverly Hills Cop I think started the wisetalking cop/buddy formula that Murphy himself duplicated in 48 Hours.

Man, this whole thread could be about the cop buddy flick.

[EliSnow]

Beverly Hills Cop I think started the wisetalking cop/buddy formula that Murphy himself duplicated in 48 Hours.

Nope. Eddy Murphy did 48 Hours first, and then Trading Places, then Best Defense, and then Beverly Hills Cop.

[EliSnow]

Man, this whole thread could be about the cop buddy flick.

So what was the original?

I can't believe 48 hours was the first, although right now, I can't think of what came before. Lethal Weapon was later.

The cop buddy flick also is just a spin-off of the Odd Couple like dynamic, I think too.

[DiabloSammich]

Nope. Eddy Murphy did 48 Hours first, and then Trading Places, then Best Defense, and then Beverly Hills Cop.



Holy shit, did I ever fuck that up.

I think we can say that 48 Hours started the cop/buddy picture then.

Or maybe we can't.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Dracula


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and

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and Courtesy of desperate Eddie Murphy

[TheMojoPin]

Dracula


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112896/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112896/)

courtesy of Mr Leslie Nielson


and

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and Courtesy of desperate Eddie Murphy

Why start/stop there? The early classic vampire flicks spawned dozens of shitty knockoffs over the decades.

[TheMojoPin]

So what was the original?

I can't believe 48 hours was the first, although right now, I can't think of what came before. Lethal Weapon was later.

The cop buddy flick also is just a spin-off of the Odd Couple like dynamic, I think too.

48 Hours is the first of the stereotypical "buddy cop/detective" movies. Odd pairings of characters in general was old by the time The Odd Couple rolled around, though that definitely kicked off the specific slob/tight assed guy formulathat has kept Jack Black working steadily for 10 years now.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Why stop there? The early classic vampire flicks spawned dozens of shitty knockoffs over the decades.


true there is a whole list out there (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/forum/2853/movies.htm)

just wanted to be somewhat current

[DiabloSammich]

48 Hours is the first of the stereotypical "buddy cop/detective" movies. Odd pairings of characters in general was old by the time The Odd Couple rolled around, though that definitely kicked off the specific slob/tight assed guy formulathat has kept Jack Black working steadily for 10 years now.


Not if Farley was still alive. All those roles would have been taken by him and Spade.

[EffMeBoobs]

That's pretty broad.

Sorry just going from the top off my head and thinking of shitty cop movies that I feel started with the Police Academies and Beverly Hills Cops and spun off from there.

[A.J.]

What about Porky's which led to a series of "horny teenager"-type movies in the 80s such as Losin' It, My Tutor, Class (to name a few) and is a genre that continues today with your American Pie- type movies.

[TheMojoPin]

Sorry just going from the top off my head and thinking of shitty cop movies that I feel started with the Police Academies and Beverly Hills Cops and spun off from there.

Damn, way harsh. That first BHC is awesome. And no love for Hot Fuzz? Man alive!

[MagillaGorillaz]

Not if Farley was still alive. All those roles would have been taken by him and Spade.

I always thought Spade and Farley were crappy knockoffs of Steve Martin and John Candy. Whenever I watch Tommy Boy, the whole car trip they take reminds me of Planes, Trains & Automobiles.

[Gvac]

I remember after "Big" there was a whole slew of teenager-trading-places-with-adult type movies, like "18 Again."

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I remember after "Big" there was a whole slew of teenager-trading-places-with-adult type movies, like "18 Again."


yup and Vice Versa, with the Great Judge Reinhold


they were tewwible

[lleeder]

I remember after "Big" there was a whole slew of teenager-trading-places-with-adult type movies, like "18 Again."

Don't forget Vice Versa and Like Father Like Son.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Don't forget Vice Versa and Like Father Like Son.

:lol: with Kirk Cameron, was having a Brain Fart thinking of that one, I didn't want IMDB Cheat

[lleeder]

:lol: with Kirk Cameron, was having a Brain Fart thinking of that one, I didn't want IMDB Cheat

That shit was on HBO for years and years.

[TheMojoPin]

Don't forget Vice Versa and Like Father Like Son.

Those are more knock-offs of Freaky Friday.

[sailor]

I remember after "Big" there was a whole slew of teenager-trading-places-with-adult type movies, like "18 Again."

13 going on 30

[EliSnow]

Don't forget Night of the Living Dead.