Get High on Mount Sinai - Moses was a dope fiend?

[DolaMight]

Moses was stoned when he set Ten Commandments, researcher claims (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/05/religion.israelandthepalestinians)


http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/images/moses_red_sea.jpg
Whoa. That was intense man.

[LaBoob]

That's awesome and I don't doubt it for a second...

There's been evidence to suggest that the Oracle at Delphi was "under the influence" of natural gas; that Delphi is on a major fault line and that's what caused the visions/hallucinations.

There's also evidence that suggests that the Salem Witch Trials were caused by a food supply being contaminated with a fungus that when ingested causes hallucinations.

I think the extent to which drugs have affected and influenced the human race is limitless and I find it fascinating.

Joe Rogan, anything to add?

[Franklyn]

just heard this. lol. Maybe it just opened his mind to the experience?

[Furtherman]

All historical records that mention "visions" or "prophecies" were most likely occurred when people were high as fuck. The Oracles of Greece would announce their visions of the future from caves, which later were found on fault lines seeping gasses that would cause hallucinations. The Eastern cultures had mushrooms and roots which frequently cause alerted states of minds. Although the story of Moses and the Exodus has no archaeological proof and is in all probably a metaphor and made up story, it's no surprise that thousands of years ago, the human race had very little understanding about the effects of nature on the human mind and so many ordinary and simple things were seen as "godly". It's too bad to, because the effects linger on to this day. People are still trippin'!

[DolaMight]

just heard this. lol. Maybe it just opened his mind to the experience?

Maybe it just felt like 40 years in the desert and they were just in Moses' parents basement the whole time.

[Franklyn]

Maybe it just felt like 40 years in the desert and they were just in Moses' parents basement the whole time.

HAHHAHA, trying to chase the sun and wink at god.

[LaBoob]

Maybe it just felt like 40 years in the desert and they were just in Moses' parents basement the whole time.

"God" handing down the 10 commandments was really Moses' mom asking if he or any of his nice friends want some cookies and milk...

[BeerBandit]

So, is it possible that Jesus was just in a heroin coma for 3 days, then tweeked out to move that big ass boulder out of the way?

[Mike Teacher]

All historical records that mention "visions" or "prophecies" were most likely occurred when people were high as fuck.

For sure many were brought forth by varying altered states of consciousness, some of which can be from 'simple'' hunger, thirst, lack of sleep. Many coultures are all about strecthing bodies to the limit in one way to send the brain off to vision/prophecy land.

But...

I am a huge fan of visionary art and in my learnings I learned one thing: there are people out there, good and true, and dead sober, and they believe, with every fiber of their being, that God or some manifestation of; Angels perhaps, have visited them, often instructing them to do things, which they do.

I've only mentioned James Hampton a dozen or so times here but his story obsesses me. In short, while a janitor in Wash DC, God visited to Hampton, in physical form, several times, and instructed him to build the Throne for His return. Hampton rented out an unlit unheated workspace and built it over the last 18 years of his life; 187 pieces, which now reside in the Smithsonian Museum of American Art.

Almost broke, no art experience whatsoever; he took old furniture, lightbulbs, and plenty of tin foil and built this:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m110/MizzleT/Art/hamptonthrone.jpg

The photo shows only a portion of the 187 pieces that surround the central throne:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m110/MizzleT/Art/throne.jpg

Now, was he tripping? Or just crazy? For me, either is utterly irrelevant.

HAMPTONS THRONE (http://www.fredweaver.com/throne/throneessay.html)

[Furtherman]

Janitors mix a lot of chemicals. Trippin'.


Even authors and artists from 19th century and before, when researching older books or paintings in old museums were not aware of the fungus that would grow on these old, moldy places. It's been found that these old books and parchments, when opened or disturbed, the fungus would go airborne - and when inhaled, you might as just ate an 8th of shrooms.

But it's true, the mind can create visions on it's own. Out of body experiences can be recreated in the lab with a little jab here and there to the brain - so if someone wants to say it's an angel - so be it - it's the end results that counts. I'd rather have someone say "god told me to build a throne!" rather than "god to me to kill you all!"

[topless_mike]

Maybe it just felt like 40 years in the desert and they were just in Moses' parents basement the whole time.

holy shit
i havent laffed that hard at something in the longest time...

post of the day- lock it up !

[Thebazile78]

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There's also evidence that suggests that the Salem Witch Trials were caused by a food supply being contaminated with a fungus that when ingested causes hallucinations....

That's the ergot hypothesis. (http://www.google.com/search?q=ergot+%2B+salem+witch+trials&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) (The link is the results of a Google search using "ergot + salem witch trials" as my search terms.)

Ergot is the name of the fungus; it grows on crops like wheat and rye. When it's consumed it does cause hallucinations.

It's an intriguing hypothesis and would seem to explain the visions, but I think you would first need to believe that these visions actually occurred. 17th century forensics leave much to be desired, especially in cases of accusations of witchcraft...spectral evidence, anyone?

Of course, that's not directly related to the overall topic, but that's my $0.02

[topless_mike]

remember... mel brooks and gregory peck escaped the evil roman empire by getting the roman guards high as fuck...

[dino_electropolis]

not sure if this offends me as a christian, or makes me proud as a stoner.

[dino_electropolis]

remember... mel brooks and gregory peck escaped the evil roman empire by getting the roman guards high as fuck...

yeah, Union!

[scottinnj]

Or it could have been real.....think about it, maaaaan!

[cougarjake13]

you know i believe that these people were high and came up with this shit more than the bullshit fairytale they want you to believe

[Sinestro]

you know i believe that these people were high and came up with this shit more than the bullshit fairytale they want you to believe

That there's a heaven? And if your good you'll get there.

Fuck, I'm screwed.

[badmonkey]

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/speedlemania/dazed16.jpg

Absolutely George toked weed. Are you kidding me man. He grew fields of fields of that stuff man. That's what I'm talking about. Fields. -He grew that shit up Mount Vernon man? -Mount Vernon man. He grew it all over the country man. He had people growing it all over the country, you know. The whole country back then was getting high... let me tell you man cause he knew, he was on to something man. He knew that it would be a good cash crop for the southern states man, so he grew fields of it man, but you know what... behind every good man there's a woman and that woman was Martha Washington man, and everyday George would come home and she had a big fat bowl waiting for him man... When he'd come in the door man... She was a hip,hip,hip lady man. and she was real real cool too man, she would like harvest the crops man thats what im talkin about, shed put it in like ya know....like bushels and stuff and sell it, ya know? because they had to ya know make ends meet and stuff...i mean they...did you ever look at a dollar bill man? there's some spooky stuff goin on on a dollar bill man and i mean and its like green too man.

[FUNKMAN]

The Virgin Mary, sure?

you know Joseph slipped her a roofie

[keithy_19]

Although the story of Moses and the Exodus has no archaeological proof

I thought that Egyptian history references the exodous of the Jewish people from Egypt.

[Furtherman]

I thought that Egyptian history references the exodous of the Jewish people from Egypt.

You may have been taught that, but that is just one of many lies our school teach.

Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation. (http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.archaeology/2006-12/msg00318.html)

Such startling propositions the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years have gained wide acceptance among non- Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity until now.

[keithy_19]

The Virgin Mary, sure?

you know Joseph slipped her a roofie

...or was really really small?

[keithy_19]

You may have been taught that, but that is just one of many lies our school teach.
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This could be true.

[scottinnj]

The Virgin Mary, sure?

you know Joseph slipped her a roofie

He was a carpenter, he slipped off the roof. Get it right, maaaan!

[Bulldogcakes]

For sure many were brought forth by varying altered states of consciousness, some of which can be from 'simple'' hunger, thirst, lack of sleep. Many coultures are all about strecthing bodies to the limit in one way to send the brain off to vision/prophecy land.



and Saint Peter (the Roman tax collector) was very likely to have had an epileptic seizure when he had his "vision" and conversion. Medical reasons are a factor as well.

[Thebazile78]

and Saint Peter (the Roman tax collector) was very likely to have had an epileptic seizure when he had his "vision" and conversion. Medical reasons are a factor as well.

There are a few things wrong with your posting:

(1) Saint Peter was an apostle and is widely recognized as the first Pope. ("And upon this Rock, I shall build my Church." Matthew 16:18)

(2) Saint Matthew was a tax collector. (http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=84)

(3) Saint Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle), on the other hand, who had a vision and converted on the road to Damascus, was self-described as a Pharisee. In Acts, he's described as a Roman Citizen...although, if he were born a Jew, I don't know how accurate that might be. (Romans had their own set of rules about who could be a Citizen and who couldn't.)

If you're going to debunk, at least get your story straight first! Sheesh!

[Thebazile78]

For sure many were brought forth by varying altered states of consciousness, some of which can be from 'simple'' hunger, thirst, lack of sleep. Many coultures are all about strecthing bodies to the limit in one way to send the brain off to vision/prophecy land.

I just re-read your quote and remembered one of the books a professor of mine in college wrote about mysticism and its relation to fasting to gain that altered state of consciousness, variously described by mystics as "trance" or "rapture" ....

Check out Holy Anorexia (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Anorexia-Rudolph-M-Bell/dp/0226042057/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204901327&sr=8-1), which is a study of 250 Italian women, many who are today recognized as saints or mystics within the Catholic Church, whose means of controlling their lives could be diagnosed today as anorexia...it's really fascinating. Professor Bell was a load of fun; he team-taught a history lecture called Patterns in Civilization: Death .... that was a freaking great class!

[scottinnj]

I just re-read your quote and remembered one of the books a professor of mine in college wrote about mysticism and its relation to fasting to gain that altered state of consciousness, variously described by mystics as "trance" or "rapture" ....

Check out Holy Anorexia (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Anorexia-Rudolph-M-Bell/dp/0226042057/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204901327&sr=8-1), which is a study of 250 Italian women, many who are today recognized as saints or mystics within the Catholic Church, whose means of controlling their lives could be diagnosed today as anorexia...it's really fascinating. Professor Bell was a load of fun; he team-taught a history lecture called Patterns in Civilization: Death .... that was a freaking great class!

How many fattie pig fatties were in the class?

L I N G E R L O N G E R!!!!!

[Midkiff]

The Virgin Mary, sure?

you know Joseph slipped her a roofie

I think she was just a liar. She was funneling throat yogurt into every hole with every guy in town.

[scottinnj]

Midkiff, Where have you been?

[Midkiff]

Midkiff, Where have you been?

Hey, budday. I took a new job in stupid Alabama for three months, and had no time to breathe, much less post here. I told those hayseeds to shove those six figures right up their dirty asses, and now I am back at my old job.

Thanks for asking, by the way.

[scottinnj]

Wow, man. You missed a lot. I gotta cool mod quote, I now think Bush blows, and will probably vote for Obama if he gets by the Clinton Brothers.

You should have seen it! It was exciting times!

[Midkiff]

Wow, man. You missed a lot. I gotta cool mod quote, I now think Bush blows, and will probably vote for Obama if he gets by the Clinton Brothers.

You should have seen it! It was exciting times!

Dang! That sounds awesome. Exciting times! I will definitely try to hang out here more now.

[A.J.]

See? This is why Muhammad is the last prophet. God had to straighten everything out these stoned prophets had said. It all makes sense now!

[DolaMight]

See? This is why Muhammad is the last prophet. God had to straighten everything out these stoned prophets had said. It all makes sense now!

I'd say I have my suspicions about him too but I don't want to have images of ronfez.net burned in effigy throughout the middle east.

[ralphbxny]

Best Biblical story since Jesus!