Has Anyone Noticed???

[bobrobot]

Has anyone noticed that Bcuz Easter is a month B4 Passover, this year Jesus would hafta die & resurrect a full month B4 his Last Supper...
http://cinetext.philo.at/magazine/schmidl/images/supper.jpeg
http://lego-creations.com/static/images/uploads/lego-last-supper.jpg
:innocent:

[pennington]

Is he being crucified again this year? If so, ask him if that's Mary Magdalene next to him in that painting.

[oh_kee_pa]

are you saying that a dead man cant get a little hungry and want to come back for some grub?

[bobrobot]

Is he being crucified again this year? If so, ask him if that's Mary Magdalene next to him in that painting.

I think that's Homer Simpson's finger...

http://cinetext.philo.at/magazine/schmidl/images/supper.jpeg
http://www.desktoprating.com/wallpapers/anime-wallpapers-pictures/homer-simpson-anime-wallpaper.jpg

[Hottub]

I was discussing this with one of my clients today. We were wondering which calender is more screwed up.
He also mentioned that today is a Holiday. Mostly for the kids. He talked about a triangular, jelly filled cookie that my Irish tongue could not dream of pronouncing.
Little help, Rabbi Bobo?

[TooLowBrow]

I was discussing this with one of my clients today. We were wondering which calender is more screwed up.
He also mentioned that today is a Holiday. Mostly for the kids. He talked about a triangular, jelly filled cookie that my Irish tongue could not dream of pronouncing.
Little help, Rabbi Bobo?
hem-in-tosh-en?

[bobrobot]

I was discussing this with one of my clients today. We were wondering which calender is more screwed up.
He also mentioned that today is a Holiday. Mostly for the kids. He talked about a triangular, jelly filled cookie that my Irish tongue could not dream of pronouncing.
Little help, Rabbi Bobo?

Holiday = Purim

Cookie = Hamantashen (named after the bad guy in the story, Haman (kinda like an Old Testament Simon Legree), who wore a 3 cornered hat)

http://baronesstapuzina.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/baked-hamantashen.JPG

[Midkiff]

Holiday = Purim

Cookie = Hamantashen (named after the bad guy in the story, Haman (kinda like an Old Testament Simon Legree), who wore a 3 cornered hat)

http://baronesstapuzina.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/baked-hamantashen.JPG

Mmmmmmm, Hamantashen. Yummy.

[Hottub]

Thaaank you, Bobo. Now I can sleep tonight.
If you don't know, Rabbi means teacher.
Between Mike and Bobo, we can all get our PhD's!!

[Thebazile78]

Holiday = Purim

Cookie = Hamantashen (named after the bad guy in the story, Haman (kinda like an Old Testament Simon Legree), who wore a 3 cornered hat)

http://baronesstapuzina.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/baked-hamantashen.JPG

My Dit taught me how to make hamentashen. *sigh*

I miss my Dit, but she's a mommy now and she's got her own family to teach to make hamentashen. And they are yummy-yummy... even the prune butter ones are yummy.

I like Purim, too. In college, it usually meant that I would get candy from my friends. At Pesach, I ask them if they remembered to count their Homers....because someone had an Omer counting card that had Homers on it on their fridge.

BTW, the calendars are out of synch because they actually run on different counting systems. Although both Easter and Pesach are dependent upon a version of the lunar calendar (Easter happens on the first Sunday following the first Full Moon following the Spring Equinox; Pesach is calculated according to the lunar calendar) and they often coincide with each other, Pesach has an exact date within the Jewish calendar while Easter is a moveable date. Tell the truth, Pesach and Orthodox Easter (Greek & Eastern Rite Churches) may actually coincide this year because of the difference between the Orthodox calendar and the Roman calendar, but I don't know anyone who is Greek or Russian Orthodox anymore so I can't just ask someone like I used to.

It's fascinating to think about these things, isn't it?

[bobrobot]

PLUS last year was a Jewish leap year (shanah meuberet, "a pregnant year") & hadda whole extra month added to it which alters the 2 calendar's respective relationships even more... & Easter won't fall this early again for 300 years, my pal Curtis told me that.

http://www.chocolategelt.com/catalog/images/purim-masks.jpg

[MagillaGorillaz]

What about Greek Orthodox Easter? Is that next week? That is usually a week after Easter Sunday.

Tell the truth, Pesach and Orthodox Easter (Greek & Eastern Rite Churches) may actually coincide this year because of the difference between the Orthodox calendar and the Roman calendar, but I don't know anyone who is Greek or Russian Orthodox anymore so I can't just ask someone like I used to.

Sorry, didn't see that you already mentioned it. I was too busy looking at the pictures of Hamantashen

[Mike Teacher]

Thaaank you, Bobo. Now I can sleep tonight.
If you don't know, Rabbi means teacher.
Between Mike and Bobo, we can all get our PhD's!!

Gotta love those who know the true meaning of the word Rabbi.

Mike the Rabbi. I like it.

I only have a Masters, alas

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I said it ad nausem and you all prolly know it, but Easter, the date that is, is 100% astronomy.

Date of Easter [any year] = First Sunday after First Full Moon after Vernal Equinox

Vernal Equinox = March 20 [Thurs]
Full Moon = March 21 [Friday]
Sunday = March 23 [Easter]

Everything is squeezed together there. I think some christian/catholic semi-holidays that come between dates just dont exist this year.

My discussion on calendars is waaaaay too long, just know we change things all the time, we just adjusted a day Feb 29, we have leap-seconds. There have been times in history where adjustments were made where weeks just disappeared. They never existed.

[bobrobot]

Gotta love those who know the true meaning of the word Rabbi.

Mike the Rabbi. I like it.

I only have a Masters, alas



Yeah, Mike the Rabbi & Pope bobo... go figure...

PLUS the word Easter comes from the pagan celebration Ashtar (a "rites of Spring" celebration which is symbolized by 2 representations of fertility, the Rabbit & the Egg) & purim is from the Old Testament Book of Esther...

Ashtar, Esther, Easter (hmmm...)



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/boboEasterBusk.jpg

[Ogre]

I have never felt more under educated than when I read Bobo and Mizzle's knowledge. I think you two should do a show together. I am being serious. I think you guys would be informative and entertaining. Just a thought. I know Vegas aint exactly close to NYC, but they make wonderful electronic gizmos and whatnot for that. Im just sayin...

The Pope Bobo and Rabbi Mike Hour...has a nice ring to it.

[Hottub]

Second!

It is quite easy to do a show via Skype. Talk to Badmonkey.

[FANDICK]

Has anyone noticed that Bcuz Easter is a month B4 Passover, this year Jesus would hafta die & resurrect a full month B4 his Last Supper...
http://cinetext.philo.at/magazine/schmidl/images/supper.jpeg
http://lego-creations.com/static/images/uploads/lego-last-supper.jpg
:innocent:

lol...nice.

Yet another inconsistency in religion.

:devil2:

[Contra]

Holiday = Purim

Cookie = Hamantashen (named after the bad guy in the story, Haman (kinda like an Old Testament Simon Legree), who wore a 3 cornered hat)

http://baronesstapuzina.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/baked-hamantashen.JPG

Now I'm fuckin' starvin'

[Thebazile78]

My discussion on calendars is waaaaay too long, just know we change things all the time, we just adjusted a day Feb 29, we have leap-seconds. There have been times in history where adjustments were made where weeks just disappeared. They never existed.

That's how Ben Franklin's birthday is calculated to be January 17th instead of January 6th in the modern calendar (http://www.livescience.com/history/060104_franklin_calendar.html) ... they changed over from the Julian to the Gregorian calendars in 1752. Which meant that on the morning of what would have been September 3rd the calendar skipped ahead to September 14th.

And the only reason I'm dimly aware of this is because of all of the ale and beer specials at local breweries and pubs in celebration of the Franklin Tercentenary back in 2006.

[Thebazile78]

Yeah, Mike the Rabbi & Pope bobo... go figure...

PLUS the word Easter comes from the pagan celebration Ashtar (a "rites of Spring" celebration which is symbolized by 2 representations of fertility, the Rabbit & the Egg) & purim is from the Old Testament Book of Esther...

Ashtar, Esther, Easter (hmmm...)





Bobo ... would that Ashtar come from Ishtar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar) or Astarte? (Ishtar/Astarte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte) was the ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love/beauty/fertility, roughly analogous to Aphrodite/Venus in Greco-Roman mythology ... she, like Venus, was also the Evening Star...)

... I just Googled "Astarte" ... and in the Wikipedia article it's indicative that "Esther" could be derived from "Ishtar" ... I will have to do more research to get the linguistic derivations, but I would not be surprised.

[A.J.]

PLUS the word Easter comes from the pagan celebration Ashtar (a "rites of Spring" celebration which is symbolized by 2 representations of fertility, the Rabbit & the Egg) & purim is from the Old Testament Book of Esther...

Ashtar, Esther, Easter (hmmm...)

Bobo ... would that Ashtar come from Ishtar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar) or Astarte? (Ishtar/Astarte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte) was the ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love/beauty/fertility, roughly analogous to Aphrodite/Venus in Greco-Roman mythology ... she, like Venus, was also the Evening Star...)

... I just Googled "Astarte" ... and in the Wikipedia article it's indicative that "Esther" could be derived from "Ishtar" ... I will have to do more research to get the linguistic derivations, but I would not be surprised.

I thought "Esther" came from studying the Kabbala.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/weekinphotos/040927/madonna.jpg

[bobrobot]

Bobo ... would that Ashtar come from Ishtar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar) or Astarte? (Ishtar/Astarte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte) was the ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love/beauty/fertility, roughly analogous to Aphrodite/Venus in Greco-Roman mythology ... she, like Venus, was also the Evening Star...)

... I just Googled "Astarte" ... and in the Wikipedia article it's indicative that "Esther" could be derived from "Ishtar" ... I will have to do more research to get the linguistic derivations, but I would not be surprised.

I believe it, all that shared culture & spirituality comes from the brave souls in the ancient world who would travel to other lands, & some of the tribes that lived really close to each other are just splinters of the same branch & share variations of their original tribe's culture, eg, Arabs (Muslims) & Jews, even tho they hate each other, as family members sometimes do, they share the same essential language & beliefs & practices & foods & music & art, etc... I wanna read up more about the possible connections btween Esther, Ashtar, Astarte, Ishtar (horrible movie) et al...

I would just caution against Wikipedia as a source for anything cuz of the way it is assembled (by any mook that wants to contribute).

http://imp.lss.wisc.edu/~mfox/Religions%20of%20the%20ANE/Israel/Astarte.jpg



Oh... & A.J. is a Kabbalah Bimbo!!!

[Thebazile78]

I believe it, all that shared culture & spirituality comes from the brave souls in the ancient world who would travel to other lands, & some of the tribes that lived really close to each other are just splinters of the same branch & share variations of their original tribe's culture, eg, Arabs (Muslims) & Jews, even tho they hate each other, as family members sometimes do, they share the same essential language & beliefs & practices & foods & music & art, etc... I wanna read up more about the possible connections btween Esther, Ashtar, Astarte, Ishtar (horrible movie) et al...

I would just caution against Wikipedia as a source for anything cuz of the way it is assembled (by any mook that wants to contribute).

I totally agree about Wikipedia, which is why I initially called for a linguist ... because they would study the similarities among the languages in that part of the world. We're talking about ancient Sumerian/Babylonian, Hebrew and Arabic for starters, not to mention tossing some Phoenician and Aramaic into the mix, so you have a massive habitat for all kinds of languages and traditions inbreeding.

Speaking of Babylonians ... was the Book of Esther written after the Babylonian Exile (http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_23_-_Babylonian_Exile.asp) ... ? (Oooh! Just found this: "ABC's of Purim" (http://www.aish.com/purimbasics/purimbasicsdefault/The_ABCs_of_Purim.asp) ... very cool. I think it assembles things nicely.)

Yup, cross-pollinations are inevitable.

[A.J.]

I believe it, all that shared culture & spirituality comes from the brave souls in the ancient world who would travel to other lands, & some of the tribes that lived really close to each other are just splinters of the same branch & share variations of their original tribe's culture, eg, Arabs (Muslims) & Jews, even tho they hate each other, as family members sometimes do, they share the same essential language & beliefs & practices & foods & music & art, etc... I wanna read up more about the possible connections btween Esther, Ashtar, Astarte, Ishtar (horrible movie) et al...




Oh... & A.J. is a Kabbalah Bimbo!!!

Thank you Your Holiness!

That's one of the things I learned during my time in the Middle East -- Jews and Arabs have so much more in common than they care to admit. But as is often the case in human nature, we have to point out the differences to make themselves feel more special or important.

[Thebazile78]

Thank you Your Holiness!

That's one of the things I learned during my time in the Middle East -- Jews and Arabs have so much more in common than they care to admit. But as if often the case in human nature, we have to point out the difference to make themselves feel more special or important.

Dude, my dad has been saying that about all 3 religions of the Book for years.

He thinks that a good way to bring peace among the three is to acknowledge the differences, but use them as a way to embrace the traditions ... like extending a "thank you" to Jews for the foundation on which the other two "Houses" are built ...

It's a good idea, too.

[Lenay]

Orthodox Easter is on April 27th peeps and peoples :innocent:Orthodox Easter and Passover are always together:wacko:so i always get 2 Easters :huh:and i said this on my show last Saturday:blink::thumbup:you should have listened:nono:

Lenay D

[Thebazile78]

Orthodox Easter is on April 27th peeps and peoples :innocent:Orthodox Easter and Passover are always together:wacko:so i always get 2 Easters :huh:and i said this on my show last Saturday:blink::thumbup:you should have listened:nono:

Lenay D

Thank you Lenay. It's much appreciated!

I was pretty sure about Orthodox Easter & Passover (Pesach) falling within a few days of each other pretty consistently because of the way their calendars are more closely related than the Roman calendar.

This year, Passover is April 19th-ish, though, so it would actually fall right around Orthodox Holy Week. . .

[BrooklynKat]

What about Greek Orthodox Easter? Is that next week? That is usually a week after Easter Sunday.

Sorry, didn't see that you already mentioned it. I was too busy looking at the pictures of Hamantashen

Thats why we (of the Greek Orthodox faith) are more right than Catholics, sorry Ron. Our Easter is always a week after Passover, i.e. the Last Supper. Technically, it should be the same week, but I guess the church wanted to distance themselves from being "too Jewish." So Greek/Eastern Orthodox Easter is next month.

[Thebazile78]

Thats why we (of the Greek Orthodox faith) are more right than Catholics, sorry Ron. Our Easter is always a week after Passover, i.e. the Last Supper. Technically, it should be the same week, but I guess the church wanted to distance themselves from being "too Jewish." So Greek/Eastern Orthodox Easter is next month.

Sometimes they coincide, actually. (For example, in 2001, the dates did actually coincide.)

All kinds of weirdness was happening anyway ... part of the reason the US & Britain switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1752 (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/GregorianCalendar.html) was because seasons were getting out of whack.

This article (http://webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-christian-easter.html) does a tolerable job of explicating the differences between the calendars our faith traditions use to calculate the dates.

Passover is always a fixed date in the Hebrew year.
Orthodox Easter is always calculated according to the Revised Julian Calendar.
Roman Easter is always the first Sunday following the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox.

All 3 use lunar dates to some effect, but not all are figured according to the same counting. Fascinating, really.