One Man potentially has cure for cancer and global warming...amazing

[FMJeff]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/10/tech/main3246430.shtml

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw

This is why the mankind will always triumph. What an awesome discovery...

Think about it. Saltwater....as FUEL? Powering our power plants, lighting our cities? No more coal, no more natural gas, no more need for any fossil fuel. Hell, if you think about it, you could probably saltwater power in even smaller engines...like cars...that idea isn't novel, there are water powered vehicles...but I think now more than ever the science MUST be explored and implemented. With this much heat, you maybe able to achieve the kind of combustion level compression ratios you would expect from gasoline engines, which means people can still drive their fast cars....on water.

WHY ISN'T THIS A PRIORITY OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

This could save the planet, literally...not figuratively...LITERALLY!!!!

[ChrisTheCop]

I betcha it wont be a priority of an Obama, McCain, Clinton or Paul administration, either.

[booster11373]

Watch the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car" specifically the part about the battery guy

[Zorro]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/10/tech/main3246430.shtml

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw

This is why the mankind will always triumph. What an awesome discovery...

Think about it. Saltwater....as FUEL? Powering our power plants, lighting our cities? No more coal, no more natural gas, no more need for any fossil fuel. Hell, if you think about it, you could probably saltwater power in even smaller engines...like cars...that idea isn't novel, there are water powered vehicles...but I think now more than ever the science MUST be explored and implemented. With this much heat, you maybe able to achieve the kind of combustion level compression ratios you would expect from gasoline engines, which means people can still drive their fast cars....on water.

WHY ISN'T THIS A PRIORITY OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

This could save the planet, literally...not figuratively...LITERALLY!!!!


and if you got to drain the oceans for fuel we'd eliminate those pesky stingrays....

[Chimee]

He won't live to see Christmas.

[jauble]

Hes a dead man soon.

[Jimbo_NY75]

so now we'll fight over water...... can't wait

[FMJeff]

They can't keep killing these water fuel guys forever. We need more public awareness.

[Snacks]

Watch the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car" specifically the part about the battery guy

loved it. it proved that the oil companies run everything and that politicians are assholes. they dont work for the people they work for big business.

[Recyclerz]

He won't live to see Christmas.

Hes a dead man soon.

Those stories are from Sept. 2007.

Ron's uncle's voice: You won't see him no more. You wanna get a message to him? Give it to a gopher.

[Knowledged_one]

Jeff while nice you have to realize that an invention like this would not be implemented for close to 20 years. Other then testing this stuff and implementing it, it would not be feasible to the world economy

Lets face it the world operates on an oil economy and all that revolves around it, if a new invention like this were released on the world overnight global economies would collapse, its the main reason that Chevy talks about its plan to eventually go to hydrogen powered cars over the next what 30 years? Economies would collapse all over the world if something like this were pushed fast on the public

[FMJeff]

Jeff while nice you have to realize that an invention like this would not be implemented for close to 20 years. Other then testing this stuff and implementing it, it would not be feasible to the world economy

Lets face it the world operates on an oil economy and all that revolves around it, if a new invention like this were released on the world overnight global economies would collapse, its the main reason that Chevy talks about its plan to eventually go to hydrogen powered cars over the next what 30 years? Economies would collapse all over the world if something like this were pushed fast on the public

I think that's fear talking. Nothing would collapse. You still have cars, trucks, tanks and planes running on gasoline, and you will continue to have them for decades. Just b/c you introduce a new technology doesn't mean the world gasoline demand will dissapear. It will take a long time for gasoline vehicles to slowly phase out of use. Let's not forget the other uses for petroleum based products outside of gasoline. It will be a gradual decline in gasoline consumption, not an immediate one.

I need to hear Mike the Teacher's views on this.

[pennington]

I saw this on another message board a while ago. I had two reactions then:

1) In the old days, something like this would have been buried figuratively, if not literally, and no one would have known about it. But now with the internet, this news is out, it can't be hidden.

2) The immediate impact of this, if true, would be power plants. New ones could be built in a fraction of the time it takes now in the U.S. because there won't be the pollution concerns (and the inevitable law suits). Existing plants could be retrofitted, especially those near oceans. Although salt water is corrosive, I sure some sort of distribution system could be set up for in-land plants (pipelines, tanker trucks).

New cars could be phased in while older models still used gasoline. I'm sure gas stations could be modified to sell salt water for a modest fee.

It would be nice if this is true.

[Mike Teacher]

"His machine could actually burn salt water"

This is the pathetic, horrific state of science reporting. If reality isnt exciting enough, make up some bullshit phrase thats utterly wrong, but sounds cool.

They make it sound so futuristic, so brand new. Its novel but nothing new:

'Burning water' = electrolysis. You put a current through water and the H and the O bonds that make up H2O break apart, giving you flammable H2 and O2. You may well have done this in high school science: battery wires in inverted water filled test tubes, watch the bubbles form on each electrode... ignite the test tube gas and hear the pop!

Thats what is going on, but instead the current is induced by Radio waves, like your microwave oven. I think You Tube has vids of burning water; electrolysis w/ batteries...

=

Anyway the whole thing rests on how efficient the system is. Meaning, this would be good if the amount of energy you got from the flame was close to the amount you put in to generating the RF energy to do the electrolysis and 'burn' the water. I dont think it is. I could be wrong.

=

As to the Cancer? No idea.

[JPMNICK]

"His machine could actually burn salt water"

This is the pathetic, horrific state of science reporting. If reality isnt exciting enough, make up some bullshit phrase thats utterly wrong, but sounds cool.

They make it sound so futuristic, so brand new. Its novel but nothing new:

'Burning water' = electrolysis. You put a current through water and the H and the O bonds that make up H2O break apart, giving you flammable H2 and O2. You may well have done this in high school science: battery wires in inverted water filled test tubes, watch the bubbles form on each electrode... ignite the test tube gas and hear the pop!

Thats what is going on, but instead the current is induced by Radio waves, like your microwave oven. I think You Tube has vids of burning water; electrolysis w/ batteries...

=

Anyway the whole thing rests on how efficient the system is. Meaning, this would be good if the amount of energy you got from the flame was close to the amount you put in to generating the RF energy to do the electrolysis and 'burn' the water. I dont think it is. I could be wrong.

=

As to the Cancer? No idea.

I agree with mike here. all of my schooling has told me that this is not really going to be feasible. this is approaching the perpetual motion machine idea. the strength of the H20 bond is REALLY strong and needs a lot of energy to separate.

if this was true and this produced a positive net energy, it would mean this was a self-sustaining reaction on par with finding a way to harness nuclear fission.

[Zorro]

"His machine could actually burn salt water"

This is the pathetic, horrific state of science reporting. If reality isnt exciting enough, make up some bullshit phrase thats utterly wrong, but sounds cool.

They make it sound so futuristic, so brand new. Its novel but nothing new:

'Burning water' = electrolysis. You put a current through water and the H and the O bonds that make up H2O break apart, giving you flammable H2 and O2. You may well have done this in high school science: battery wires in inverted water filled test tubes, watch the bubbles form on each electrode... ignite the test tube gas and hear the pop!

Thats what is going on, but instead the current is induced by Radio waves, like your microwave oven. I think You Tube has vids of burning water; electrolysis w/ batteries...

=

Anyway the whole thing rests on how efficient the system is. Meaning, this would be good if the amount of energy you got from the flame was close to the amount you put in to generating the RF energy to do the electrolysis and 'burn' the water. I dont think it is. I could be wrong.

=

As to the Cancer? No idea.

Today's version of a perpetual motion machine?

[Mike Teacher]

All we need is the pres and the public and the world to have to balls to will the death of the oil age into reality. Thats 'all'.

But we can do this. History shows...

JFK with one fucking sentence changed the world.

'I believe this nation should achive the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon, and returning him safely to earth.'

And we fucking did it. Sadly the single man who changed the world didnt live to see that he had.

Meaning: We can do the impossible. He gave that speech 20 days after Alan Shepard accrued all of 15 minutes of space time. We didnt even get into orbit! His advisers told him: It will cost 20 to 40 billion dollars and oh yeah, many of the experts insist its impossible.

JFK said: Fuck That. Yes its impossible. Now. But if were good at one thing, its turning the impossible into reality. The science and technology, the fucking metals the computers the navigation and propulsion systems used didnt exist when he gave the speech, but he had the faith that we could invent them. And we did.

=

Fusion power is so powerful and safe its just not worthy of debate. I'm not talking tomorrow, I'm talking about what humans Will end up using. Except it sounds so futuristic. It isnt. We can do it. We could have solved the cost efficiency problem by now, just as we could have been walking on Mars now. All we haveto do is want to. Really want to. And for fusion and Mars, we dont want it enough.

Pass the oil, please.

[Furtherman]

Today's version of a perpetual motion machine?

There wasn't ever a yesterday version either. Not impossible, but improbable.

[badmonkey]

There are ecological concerns with something like saltwater as a major fuel. When you start removing massive amounts of salt water from the ocean, you will change the salinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity) of the water in those areas. That can cause devastating effects on the existing plant and animal life and even wipe them out completely.

[Gvac]

When you start removing massive amounts of salt water from the ocean, you will change the salinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity) of the water in those areas. That can cause devastating effects on the existing plant and animal life and even wipe them out completely.

So what's the down side?

[Mike Teacher]

Low salt fish would be great for us.

Earl?...

[TheMojoPin]

So, if my awful science understanding is correct, this theorietically would take more energy to produce than the energy it would create?

And Jeff, where did you get the cancer part from? It just said he was a cancer researcher.

[Gvac]

So, if my awful science understanding is correct, this theorietically would take more energy to produce than the energy it would create?

And Jeff, where did you get the cancer part from? It just said he was a cancer researcher.

It would have been a cancer cure but the Chinese sabotaged it.

[FUNKMAN]

hopefully there's enough leftover for taffy

[NewYorkDragons80]

Fusion power is so powerful and safe its just not worthy of debate. I'm not talking tomorrow, I'm talking about what humans Will end up using. Except it sounds so futuristic. It isnt. We can do it. We could have solved the cost efficiency problem by now, just as we could have been walking on Mars now. All we haveto do is want to. Really want to. And for fusion and Mars, we dont want it enough.
Fusion power beats rock, paper, and scissors combined. Whoever can pull off a functioning fusion generator should be compensated by at least $100. Who's with me?

[badmonkey]

Fusion power beats rock, paper, and scissors combined. Whoever can pull off a functioning fusion generator should be compensated by at least $100. Who's with me?

http://daz.com/img/00/00/00/2956.jpg

Done

[pennington]

And Jeff, where did you get the cancer part from? It just said he was a cancer researcher.

Watch the youtube video. It's a TV news report.

[K.C.]

so now we'll fight over water...... can't wait


"I've seen dry land!"

http://images.digitalmedianet.com/2006/Week_33/61rboolg/story/waterworld-1.jpg

[FMJeff]

So, if my awful science understanding is correct, this theorietically would take more energy to produce than the energy it would create?

And Jeff, where did you get the cancer part from? It just said he was a cancer researcher.

Read the first article, watch the video. His radio wave technology involves injecting nano-particles that theoretically would bond to cancer cells and using the radio waves cause them to vibrate at a frequency which would generate enough heat to kill them without affecting the surrounding tissue.

[TheMojoPin]

Read the article, watch the videos. His radio wave technology involves injecting nano-particles that theoretically would bond to cancer cells and using the radio waves cause them to vibrate at a frequency which would generate enough heat to kill them without affecting the surrounding tissue.

Yeah, I finally saw the video.

[FMJeff]

There are ecological concerns with something like saltwater as a major fuel. When you start removing massive amounts of salt water from the ocean, you will change the salinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity) of the water in those areas. That can cause devastating effects on the existing plant and animal life and even wipe them out completely.

It would depend, I guess, on how much saltwater is needed to generate what they need and how fast it would be replenished...but I mean cmon...this is the ocean we're talking about...

Plenty of water to go around...

[keithy_19]

Read the first article, watch the video. His radio wave technology involves injecting nano-particles that theoretically would bond to cancer cells and using the radio waves cause them to vibrate at a frequency which would generate enough heat to kill them without affecting the surrounding tissue.

Anything that could potentially help fight off cancer should be researched and tried.

[FMJeff]

http://daz.com/img/00/00/00/2956.jpg

Done

Man...flavor flav is looks awful lately...

[Yerdaddy]

"His machine could actually burn salt water"

This is the pathetic, horrific state of science reporting. If reality isnt exciting enough, make up some bullshit phrase thats utterly wrong, but sounds cool.

They make it sound so futuristic, so brand new. Its novel but nothing new:

'Burning water' = electrolysis. You put a current through water and the H and the O bonds that make up H2O break apart, giving you flammable H2 and O2. You may well have done this in high school science: battery wires in inverted water filled test tubes, watch the bubbles form on each electrode... ignite the test tube gas and hear the pop!

Thats what is going on, but instead the current is induced by Radio waves, like your microwave oven. I think You Tube has vids of burning water; electrolysis w/ batteries...

=

Anyway the whole thing rests on how efficient the system is. Meaning, this would be good if the amount of energy you got from the flame was close to the amount you put in to generating the RF energy to do the electrolysis and 'burn' the water. I dont think it is. I could be wrong.

=

As to the Cancer? No idea.

Three years ago I discovered a way to burn my own posts for fuel. I've been in hiding ever since.

[nate1000]

and if you got to drain the oceans for fuel we'd eliminate those pesky stingrays....

Zorro- seems this got lost in the shuffle, but I'd like to give it the chuckle it merits: :lol:

So this is what Al Gore's been working on since inventing the intertubes. (Other than destroying the environment.)

[MadMatt]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/lex/lex-president.jpg

[Kris10]

This is good news for myself and SR71, our jobs are safe!

[mendyweiss]

Yeah, But Where Is The "Saltiest" Water ? The Dead Sea ! Where Is That ?
Oh Yeah, The Middle East !! Back To Square One !!

[jauble]

It would depend, I guess, on how much saltwater is needed to generate what they need and how fast it would be replenished...but I mean cmon...this is the ocean we're talking about...

Plenty of water to go around...

could combat the ice caps melting

[badmonkey]

It would depend, I guess, on how much saltwater is needed to generate what they need and how fast it would be replenished...but I mean cmon...this is the ocean we're talking about...

Plenty of water to go around...

There is plenty of water to go around, but the salt content of the ocean isn't evenly distributed accross the ocean like the water content. Think about it more like tying a goat up to a tree in your yard. Plenty of grass in the yard, but the goat is always eating the same spot.

[SatCam]

Yeah, But Where Is The "Saltiest" Water ? The Dead Sea ! Where Is That ?
Oh Yeah, The Middle East !! Back To Square One !!

:lol: potd

[FMJeff]

There is plenty of water to go around, but the salt content of the ocean isn't evenly distributed accross the ocean like the water content. Think about it more like tying a goat up to a tree in your yard. Plenty of grass in the yard, but the goat is always eating the same spot.

Yeah but like with oil you can have pipelines bringing water in from the deep ocean...its an engineering challenge and not a considerably difficult one all things considered.

[DolaMight]

is this guy dead yet? anybody that burns water always dies.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah but like with oil you can have pipelines bringing water in from the deep ocean...its an engineering challenge and not a considerably difficult one all things considered.

But again, like the other "burning water" theories, at this point it takes more energy to do it than it produces. Of course, these avenues should be pursued, bt it doesn't sound like this guy has the answer now anymore than the other "burning water" ideas.

[pennington]

But again, like the other "burning water" theories, at this point it takes more energy to do it than it produces.

No where does it say it takes more energy to do than it produces. They don't know yet they want to research it. But I find this quote from a Penn State chemistry professor encouraging:

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

[TheMojoPin]

No where does it say it takes more energy to do than it produces. They don't know yet they want to research it. But I find this quote from a Penn State chemistry professor encouraging:

I thought that was already discussed earlier in the thread. If it doesn't, awesome!

[Mike Teacher]

Bumpy Bumperton sees TV Guide dot com says for tonight

13 Apri 2008

60 Minutes 7:00pm WCBS

"...Lesley Stahl interviews John Kanzius, who discusses his invention that could potentially kill cancer cells in humans..."

[scottinnj]

Yeah but like with oil you can have pipelines bringing water in from the deep ocean...its an engineering challenge and not a considerably difficult one all things considered.

I can just see Greenpeace fucking it all up..."raping the seas" and all that nonsense.

[keithy_19]

I can just see Greenpeace fucking it all up..."raping the seas" and all that nonsense.

Just say the sea was drunk and wearing sluttly clothing. Problem solved.

[furie]

I thought that was already discussed earlier in the thread. If it doesn't, awesome!

it wasn't discussed, you simply brought up the question earlier in the thread

[TheMojoPin]

it wasn't discussed, you simply brought up the question earlier in the thread

Nah, I was referring to Mike Teacher's first post.

[Mike Teacher]

I bumped the thread back up, coz TV guide said there was a segment on the guy on 60 mins last night.

The Masters went over, so 60 Mins ran late, and as DVRs are still unintelligent, it, and I, missed it.

Anyone see the segment? Anywhere online?

[Furtherman]

Anyone see the segment? Anywhere online?

The Kanzius Machine: A Cancer Cure? (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml)

[furie]

I bumped the thread back up, coz TV guide said there was a segment on the guy on 60 mins last night.

The Masters went over, so 60 Mins ran late, and as DVRs are still unintelligent, it, and I, missed it.

Anyone see the segment? Anywhere online?

Hmm... sounds like the PGA is in big oil's pocket, not wanting the information to get out.

[Justice4all]

and if you got to drain the oceans for fuel we'd eliminate those pesky stingrays....


http://www.theipinionsjournal.com/uploaded_images/steveIrwin-734563.jpg



When I read the thread title I thought it might have been about this guy:

http://nerdguitarhero.com/chuck_norris_toilet_paper2.PNG

[furie]

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this shows promise too.
and the oil companies haven't killed him yet.

[PapaBear]

<object height="350" width="425">
<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iL4GOsIhdLk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="350" width="425"> </object>

this shows promise too.
and the oil companies haven't killed him yet.
You managed to get the video removed. CONSPIRACY!!!!

[Franklyn]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/10/tech/main3246430.shtml

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw

This is why the mankind will always triumph. What an awesome discovery...

Think about it. Saltwater....as FUEL? Powering our power plants, lighting our cities? No more coal, no more natural gas, no more need for any fossil fuel. Hell, if you think about it, you could probably saltwater power in even smaller engines...like cars...that idea isn't novel, there are water powered vehicles...but I think now more than ever the science MUST be explored and implemented. With this much heat, you maybe able to achieve the kind of combustion level compression ratios you would expect from gasoline engines, which means people can still drive their fast cars....on water.

WHY ISN'T THIS A PRIORITY OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

This could save the planet, literally...not figuratively...LITERALLY!!!!

Because their families eat of the oil industry. No need for oil no wealthy Bush's.

[furie]

You managed to get the video removed. CONSPIRACY!!!!

it's working now

[PapaBear]

it's working now
Wow. That's pretty freakin' cool!

[Mike Teacher]

Because their families eat of the oil industry. No need for oil no wealthy Bush's.

Or, the administration grabs it, owns its, rolls it out with exclusive USA rights and rules the world in energy for decades making the USA, him, and his buddies untold trillions, such is the high intelligence and insight of this administration...

Dude I'd agree if I thought this administration had ANY intelligence, but I dont see it.

=

As to the technology, it IS a good Q; if this is the Eureka that weve been waiting for, why hasnt the word spread? Skepticism has a negtive, brooding feel to it, which sucks. But I gotta say: until this is tested independently and shown to work as claimed in terms of energy out vs energy in, its only a claim.

But hey I hope hes right so we can forget the flux capacitor and just piss in the gas tank.

[Justice4all]

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this shows promise too.
and the oil companies haven't killed him yet.


Yea, congress invited him to Washington to give a test and talk to them about his invention.

How much to bet he never makes it back from that trip?

[paracetamol flanders]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/i-am-legend-2.jpg

One thing about a cure for cancer I never could stomach: all the damn vampires.