Chinese Democracy

[Uncle Fezster]

Dr Pepper Will Give Everyone* in America a Free Soda If Axl Rose Releases New Guns N' Roses Album, Chinese Democracy, In 2008
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/49539-ichinese-democracyi-in-2008-free-dr-pepper-for-all

[fezident]

Can I have just the free soda?

[JustJon]

8 years now. I don't expect a cd or a free soda.

[nate1000]

They'd be nuts not to get this out to coincide with the opening of the Olympics.

Chinese Democracy begins now!

[Doctor Manhattan]

8 years now. I don't expect a cd or a free soda.

I think that it's been 13-15 years. I've read that work started in 1993 (sometimes I read 1994) but this was started soon after Use Your Illusion which they stole the title of from this guy:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5967/tonywonder288x442jf0.jpg

They'd be nuts not to get this out to coincide with the opening of the Olympics.

You mean he was waiting all this time for China to get the Olymics?!?!

[cupcakelove]

I only drink Diet Dr Pepper.

[topless_mike]

fuck the chinese.

[Doctor Manhattan]

ESD mentioned this yesterday and I saw this on gunsnroses.com (http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080326&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)

Press Release from Axl Regarding Dr Pepper
We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr Pepper with our album "Chinese Democracy," as for us, this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time. And as some of Buckethead's performances are on our album, I'll share my Dr Pepper with him.

Axl Rose

Won't Buckethead get his own Dr. Pepper?

[Thebazile78]

Won't Buckethead get his own Dr. Pepper?

No.

Buckethead and Slash are ineligible.

DR PEPPER WILL GIVE EVERYONE* IN AMERICA A FREE SODA IF AXL ROSE RELEASES NEW GUNS N’ ROSES ALBUM, CHINESE DEMOCRACY, IN 2008

*Guitarists Slash and Buckethead Will Not Be Eligible For Free Soda (http://pressreleasetosaveworld.blogspot.com/)

[Epschtein]

^lol

i decided about 5 years ago that i wouldnt allow myself to get excited about this album anymore, i even mostly ignored it when the leaks hit the internet, if it ever comes out and i happen to hear something great from it maybe i will check it out.

so indifferent now tho after all the BS axl has pulled with concerts etc.

[Fallon]

I tried Dr. Pepper for the first time a couple weeks ago cause the douche at Wendys messed up the Diet Coke part of my order, but I'm loving it now. Diet Dr. Pepper rules. :drunk:

[PapaBear]

Try a hot Dr. Pepper. Just stick it in the microwave. Very tasty! When you're done, throw a Guns n Roses CD in the fireplace.

[IMSlacker]

Try a hot Dr. Pepper. Just stick it in the microwave. Very tasty! When you're done, throw a Guns n Roses CD in the fireplace.

I tried that once and the can exploded. Holy crap, what a mess.

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/12/microwave-fire.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

Is there anyone other than Dave who doesn't think that if this DVD does see the light of day -- which is unlikely -- it won't be anything other than a total clusterfuck?

[nate1000]

Haven't heard anything about a DVD.

[patrick187]

Guns N Roses just announced, via Fox News and CNN yet another Chineese Democracy update. THey say they are in talks to finally release the album "soon".

What do you think? Bullshit??????


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352014,00.html

[Furtherman]

Yes. Fox News is bullshit.

[K.C.]

When has it not been bullshit?

[IMSlacker]

I can't wait for my free Dr. Pepper (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68276).

[RhinoinMN]

One time I was alone together with this pretty ugly chick. We ate jumbo shrimp.

[booster11373]

Axle is just waiting for the opening cermonies

[Doctor Manhattan]

I already have some of it on my iPod, but I will buy this thing when it comes out in the next 10 years.

[furie]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/247278/0_61_guns_n_roses.jpg

what's sad is, this is probably the most recent photo of GNR

[Devo37]

Guns N Roses just announced, via Fox News and CNN yet another Chineese Democracy update. THey say they are in talks to finally release the album "soon".

What do you think? Bullshit??????


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352014,00.html

ah, yes, FoxNews and CNN...the giants of the music world!

[Mike Teacher]

When 'Guns and Roses' makes an announcement, who exactly does this mean?

[furie]

When 'Guns and Roses' makes an announcement, who exactly does this mean?

Just Axl at this point

[Bulldogcakes]

When 'Guns and Roses' makes an announcement, who exactly does this mean?

Anyone who ever played with them, even as a warm up act, is a possible recruit.

Figure the dead former band members are out.

Maybe. If Iron maiden gets involved dead band members can be used as the latest "Eddie".

[dino_electropolis]

...and here i thought there was some political developments as a result of the Olympic Torch protests.


Would want nothing more than a new "GnR" album, but have been holding my breath for 12 years now......

[drjoek]

This is me trying to care......





nope, incapable

[nate1000]

9 new tracks leaked Wed. 3 new songs, 6 "maybe"-finished versions of previously leaked demos.

chinese Democracy begins now.

[Sue_Bender]

This is me trying to care......





nope, incapable


Your negativity is astounding.

[realmenhatelife]

I really cant imagine how this album, by this band, taking this long could come within any conceivable distance of musical relevance when it actually hits record stores.

[CambriaBurning]

I really cant imagine how this album, by this band, taking this long could come within any conceivable distance of musical relevance when it actually hits record stores.

Fully agree. I've heard the leaked stuff, and I wasn't impressed.

[razorboy]

I really cant imagine how this album, by this band, taking this long could come within any conceivable distance of musical relevance when it actually hits record stores.

Because, It's a Chinese Democracy, man. It's like China... if China were a democracy.

[realmenhatelife]

Because, It's a Chinese Democracy, man. It's like China... if China were a democracy.

you just blew my mind. its like if all the people that are alive are really dead, and all the people that are dead are really alive!

[Gerald]

There Was A Time (TWAT) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g2cYFsaJayE)
Message for You (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZhhsUiWf0cA&feature=related)
If the World (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VOWRg8y3E34&feature=related)
The Blues (http://youtube.com/watch?v=05IBUhpeXoY)
Madagascar (http://youtube.com/watch?v=UkMaj7Z06Y4)
I.R.S. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RbkoJPBZNN0)
Better (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ODjGNqTo36A)
Rhiad and the Bedouins (http://youtube.com/watch?v=btxMGF_NFV0&feature=related)
Chinese Democracy ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7hAoV4xiG8)

[Snoogans]

That shit is awful. His voice isnt even the same. It so high now

[TheGameHHH]

es no bueno

[Gerald]

That shit is awful

.

[hammersavage]

I think this youtube comment for the first track pretty much sums it up: "ick. who let the cat being sucked into a vacuum cleaner into the recording studio?"

[Bob Impact]

That shit is awful. His voice isnt even the same. It so high now

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10 years for THAT?

[KnoxHarrington]

I don't think this is going to get released any time soon. This has happened once already, where tracks from the album leak, people say they suck, and Axl pulls them back.

He's batshit crazy, after all.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think this youtube comment for the first track pretty much sums it up: "ick. who let the cat being sucked into a vacuum cleaner into the recording studio?"

I punched it up, saw that it was 6:51 long, and when Axl's voice came on, I punched out. Awful.

If ESD defends this dreck, it's clear his "fanhood" for Guns n'Roses is just a bit.

[Gerald]

If ESD defends this dreck, it's clear his "fanhood" for Guns n'Roses is just a bit.

If, for argument's sake, those leaked tracks are indeed the bulk of the material from the forthcoming album in finalized form, I honestly can't comprehend how anybody who fancies themself a fan could bestow approval on any of them. If that is an accurate indication of their new sound I foresee all audiences being united in alienation. Since Axl is a pompous douche he'd probably insist on giving the cold shoulder to the classics from the glory years too if he went on tour in support of the new dreck. He'd also make the fans wait hours upon hours for him to grace the stage and/or cut off the set abruptly for some dumb riot-instigating reason.

[KnoxHarrington]

If, for argument's sake, those leaked tracks are indeed the bulk of the material from the forthcoming album in finalized form, I honestly can't comprehend how anybody who fancies themself a fan could bestow approval on any of them. If that is an accurate indication of their new sound I foresee all audiences being united in alienation. Since Axl is a pompous douche he'd probably insist on giving the cold shoulder to the classics from the glory years too if he went on tour in support of the new dreck. He'd also make the fans wait hours upon hours for him to grace the stage and/or cut off the set abruptly for some dumb riot-instigating reason.

Yeah, it's really weird, musically. It doesn't quite match the long-time rumor that it's going to be an "electronica" album, but it does have that element. But it doesn't rock, either. It's like a mongoloid love child of several types of music, emphasizing the shittiest parts of each of them.

But, then again, who wouldn't have expected an album that's been "delayed" this long to be anything less than a clusterfuck?

[fezident]

Since Axl is a pompous douche he'd probably insist on giving the cold shoulder to the classics from the glory years too if he went on tour in support of the new dreck.

DING DING DING.
Exactly!


Bono (the king of all blowhards) pulled that same shit back when they doing "Lemon" and "Discoteque" and all that stuff. He didn't play any U2 classics.

[Snoogans]

DING DING DING.
Exactly!


Bono (the king of all blowhards) pulled that same shit back when they doing "Lemon" and "Discoteque" and all that stuff. He didn't play any U2 classics.

i saw the pop mart tour, which was for the discoteque album, and they played just about every song i had ever heard by them. Did like a 3 hour show actually. It wasnt that bad except for when they played new stuff

[Snoogans]

FUCK THIS FUCKIN AVATAR. What the fuck is with this LA shit now. I HATE LA

[fezident]

Hey Snoog.
I believe ya.
BUT... I am positive that I saw Bono doing an interview on MTV stating that "they won't be playing anything before Achtung Baby. Our REAL fans wanna hear the new material because they know that WE'RE so passionate about it."
I'll never forget it. It was the beginning of my disdain for that guy.

Perhaps it was only for one leg of the tour.... or only in Europe... or they caved under the pressure.... etc etc.

[Snoogans]

Hey Snoog.
I believe ya.
BUT... I am positive that I saw Bono doing an interview on MTV stating that "they won't be playing anything before Achtung Baby. Our REAL fans wanna hear the new material because they know that WE'RE so passionate about it."
I'll never forget it. It was the beginning of my disdain for that guy.

Perhaps it was only for one leg of the tour.... or only in Europe... or they caved under the pressure.... etc etc.

Maybe he said that. I saw it at Giants Stadium and they played pretty much everything. The only one they didnt was Sunday Bloody Sunday and I didnt think they would play that anyway. But they played like Desire and I will Follow and all that shit.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Is Tommy Stinson still playing bass for GnR?

I heard his contractual obligations to Axl is what is holding back a Replacements reunion. Among other things, of course.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I.R.S. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RbkoJPBZNN0)

I have only listened to IRS and it sounded better when it was leaked a while ago (I have had it on my iPod for more than a year I think)

I really liked Gn'R but can only get into that one song, I haven't really liked any other leaked song yet, I keep trying...

[drjoek]

Can't Axl take a note from the Kurt Cobain notebook and eat a bullet.Lead poisoning is a great career move

[Dougie Brootal]

the only problem i have is the band being named guns n roses. i like the songs, their not awesome, but their not the worst either. its just not gnr. he should call it the axl rose show. i call it the axl rose experience.

edit: i like better. always have, i think its a great song. but again, its the axl rose experience.

[CambriaBurning]

Hahaha:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/06/fbi-pays-visit.html

[Doctor Manhattan]

the only problem i have is the band being named guns n roses.

I agree, since there are no members of "L.A. Guns" in this band.

And since there is only one member of "Hollywood Rose" so I don't think there is a reason to have Roses be plural!

There is a guy named "Bumblefoot" in the band, I'm sure they could work something with that name...

[Dougie Brootal]

I agree, since there are no members of "L.A. Guns" in this band.

And since there is only one member of "Hollywood Rose" so I don't think there is a reason to have Roses be plural!

There is a guy named "Bumblefoot" in the band, I'm sure they could work something with that name...

bumbling roses?

[Doctor Manhattan]

bumbling roses?

:thumbup:We got a winner. It fits and sounds good. I'll send this over to Axl now...

[Slumbag]

Looks like there's a definitive release date.

November 23rd.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003872663

It goes on sale Sunday, rather than Tuesday.
Strange.

[SonicAssault]

the only problem i have is the band being named guns n roses. i like the songs, their not awesome, but their not the worst either. its just not gnr. he should call it the axl rose show. i call it the axl rose experience.

edit: i like better. always have, i think its a great song. but again, its the axl rose experience.

jon stewart already came up with the new name after that awful mtv music awards performance : slappy Mcgee and the guys who aren't Slash

but as a devoted guns fan( got my first copy of appetite at 7) I'm curious to hear what has kept some form of one of my all time favorite bands away for more than a decade:furious:

[patsopinion]

jon stewart already came up with the new name after that awful mtv music awards performance : slappy Mcgee and the guys who aren't Slash

but as a devoted guns fan( got my first copy of appetite at 7) I'm curious to hear what has kept some form of one of my all time favorite bands away for more than a decade:furious:

nothing worth hearing

[SP1!]

Looks like there's a definitive release date.

November 23rd.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003872663

It goes on sale Sunday, rather than Tuesday.
Strange.
Its to set the record for biggest selling album of all time for one week, this will sell huge numbers going into the friday after thanksgiving.

nothing worth hearing
I have heard some of their songs and I dont think they are that bad, not the best but still a lot better than this emo shit they have out passing off as rock music. Still, I just wish axl would get over it and get the band back together, some of their early shit were great blues/rock/punk songs.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Looks like there's a definitive release date.

I won't believe it until I can walk into a store and buy one. (or log into iTunes)

Its to set the record for biggest selling album of all time for one week, this will sell huge numbers going into the friday after thanksgiving.

As first reported here, the set will be a Best Buy exclusive and will be available Sunday, Nov. 23, rather than the usual Tuesday.

They aren't going to set a record if you can only buy it at one store which not everyone in the country has access to. And that means I won't be getting it on iTunes.

[IMSlacker]

I won't believe it until I can walk into a store and buy one. (or log into iTunes)

I'll believe it when my can of Dr. Pepper shows up.

[Snoogans]

I won't believe it until I can walk into a store and buy one. (or log into iTunes)

I wont believe it til I see idiots in the store buying it (or logging on to itunes)

[Dougie Brootal]

I wont believe it til I see idiots in the store buying it (or logging on to itunes)

helloooooo!

[Doctor Manhattan]

I wont believe it til I see idiots in the store buying it (or logging on to itunes)

Just to be clear, just because I said "Can" does not mean I am going to. I've already have Chinese Democracy on my iPod for years, why pay for it now?

But again I won't believe it until it happens.

And I will enjoy that Dr. Pepper if it does happen.

[torker]

wait for it

[cougarjake13]

wait for it

we have been

[BlackSpider]

we have been

I haven't...

[furie]

14 years...not worth the wait i'm afraid

[fezident]

I always hated GnR. I guess the songs were okay but, Axl's voice and persona are just too cartoony for me. Never saw or heard anything remotely "special" about that dude.

But, the delay in making this new record is the last f'ing straw.
CHINESE DEM has been in production longer than HYSTERIA and THIRD STAGE combined. I mean... will the GnR fans actually be able to hear where those 14 years went??
WTF?

Friggin' Britney has written and released more songs than Axl. And she's more relevant.


F U GNR.

[torker]

wait for it

[nicco]

I stopped waiting for this cd long time ago and hearing axls song today im not goin to go buy it

[Dougie Brootal]

from 93x
In related news, the folks at Dr. Pepper are going to keep their promise to give a free can of Dr. Pepper to everyone in America if Chinese Democracy is released this year. To claim your can, go to www.DrPepper.com on the album's November 23rd release date and register for a coupon.source abc radio network posted by THE SPIKING VIKING on 10/23/2008 8:50:16 AM

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/5/5e/Dr_pepper_can.jpg

[cougarjake13]

the free soda aint worth it

[Doctor Manhattan]

the free soda aint worth it

I don't think you have to buy the cd, they just said everyone* gets a free soda if it comes out this year.

*except Slash and Buckethead

[Death Metal Moe]

Song did not impress me.

Maybe if Axle wasn't a disfunctional faggot he wouldn't have scared off so many musicians and this album would have been released when more people gave a fucking shit about Guns and Roses.

Blech.

[ChimneyFish]

I don't think you have to buy the cd, they just said everyone* gets a free soda if it comes out this year.

*except Slash and Buckethead

That's alright.
KFC's a PepsiCo company.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/luxa1/rimshot.gif

[SP1!]

If you listen to it without the hype its not bad, is it worth the wait? Probably not, but is it better than 90% of the shit getting airplay on the radio today? Yes.

I still wish axl would have stayed blues/rock guitar oriented rather than getting distracted by the NIN style that he got infatuated with and had to copy. I cant help but wonder what Slash and the rest of the boys could have done on these songs, somehow I think they would be infinitely better with someone laying down a few soulful licks rather than electronica licks.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wait, the album comes out on the 23rd and Dr. Pepper is made with 23 flavors? Bill Burr is right! There is a conspiracy!

That day I will be celebrating by watching the 24 movie and not buying Axl's 18 year old music.

[Recyclerz]

NY Times review "Titanic, in the bad way." (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?hp)

Sorry ESD.

[cougarjake13]

NY Times review "Titanic, in the bad way." (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?hp)

Sorry ESD.



whats titanic in a good way

[King Imp]

I tried to fight it. I kept saying how this is not true Guns N' Roses. I kept saying that this will never live up to the hype.

While this clearly doesn't surpass Appetite For Destruction, I'm actually liking what I heard.

[pittphantoms]

The whole album is up for free on Myspace right now...

http://www.myspace.com/gunsnroses

[GregoryJoseph]

Over the years Mick Jagger and Keith Richards have released solo albums. Some were very good, some mediocre, and some were horribly embarrassing. Neither one of them dared to present their efforts as The Rolling Stones, though.

I'll judge the album on the content, not the name, But Axl should be ashamed of himself for marketing this as Guns N Roses.

[JerseySean]

I am not about 3 or 4 listens in. This album is awesome. Pillar to post. I suggest everyone give it a shot

[TjM]

Not looking good for you David of Eastside reviews seem all over the place

[KingGeno]

Already a thread on this.

But there are not enough threads out there to show the poor job the album is. How underwhelming.

[Furtherman]

Dr Pepper to deliver on its free-soda promise (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gc9S2shf_wKwjH11jMbO9iJGbjlAD94IV63O1)

Beginning Sunday at 12:01 a.m., coupons for a free 20-ounce soda will be available for 24 hours on Dr Pepper's Web site. They'll be honored until Feb. 28.

[Doctor Manhattan]

whats titanic in a good way

Being the highest grossing movie of all time, nearly $2 Billion worldwide.

So for Albums (or CDs, mp3s, etc) "titanic in a good way" is what Michael Jackson's Thriller is (100+ Million copies sold worldwide, Eagles Greatest Hits is #1 in the US with Thiller at #2)

[KingGeno]

It should help with keeping people from throwing their guts up. may bee.

[paulisded]

Can we please get 3 or 4 more threads on this awful album?

[hexy68]

when do we get our free dr pepper?

[pittphantoms]

I am through my first listen - I am sold. Count me in for a copy.

The guitar is NOT Slash's sound - but wow does it rock... I totally dig this.

[Lady Resin]

when do we get our free dr pepper?

Here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455744,00.html)

[Dougie Brootal]

I have a neighbor whose teen son is into some kind of noise called Chinese Democracy. I hear him blasting it from his car, and the so called waiting for it to come out cracks me up. Is it a gay thing? I never see him hanging with any chicks? Can some one please tell me what's the story with this awful noise?

[Dougie Brootal]

haha

[razorboy]

If hell has a soundtrack, this is it.

[Death Metal Moe]

Listened to the 1st few tracks, not impressed in the least. I probably won't be checking out the rest of the album or buying it.

Boooooooooooooo Axl.

[TheMojoPin]

Very meh, but if this album had come out 15 years ago, it probably would have blown our minds.

[torker]

The backbone of GnR was Izzy and most of the songs lack that fuckin crunch
It gets better towards the middle
Buckethead (aka Torker1313) rules

[KnoxHarrington]

I feel much the same way listening to this record that I felt listening to Use Your Illusion: it kind of sounds like it would be a great record, but there's nothing there. It's all surface, and the songs are pretentious. Axl Rose knows how to make a song sound like a big rock anthem, but can't really pull it off.

And to echo Mojo's point above: it's a style of music that has been abandoned long ago. This style of "big rock" is dead. Music has moved on to pop, or hip-hop, and rock itself has moved in a smaller, more indie direction that's far closer to the fans and more down-to-earth than this. It's just tired.

[TjM]

I feel much the same way listening to this record that I felt listening to Use Your Illusion: it kind of sounds like it would be a great record, but there's nothing there. It's all surface, and the songs are pretentious. Axl Rose knows how to make a song sound like a big rock anthem, but can't really pull it off.

And to echo Mojo's point above: it's a style of music that has been abandoned long ago. This style of "big rock" is dead. Music has moved on to pop, or hip-hop, and rock itself has moved in a smaller, more indie direction that's far closer to the fans and more down-to-earth than this. It's just tired.

I wish their was a way to hear the original illusions mixes as Slash described in his book (Much rawer the way he wanted it before Axl took a shite on them)

[GreatAmericanZero]

is the album good?

[King Imp]

And to echo Mojo's point above: it's a style of music that has been abandoned long ago. This style of "big rock" is dead. Music has moved on to pop, or hip-hop, and rock itself has moved in a smaller, more indie direction that's far closer to the fans and more down-to-earth than this. It's just tired.

That's probably why I like it. I live for 80's music and frankly think the music of the 90's to today flat out sucks.

[Death Metal Moe]

is the album good?

No.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i just came back from Bestbuy and bought a copy of "Chinese Democracy"!

i swear, they have copies of Chinese Democracy in every single possible section and by the cash registers. "Chinese Democracy" everywhere

i also picked up that Flaming Lips Xmas on Mars

[paulisded]

i just came back from Bestbuy and bought a copy of "Chinese Democracy"!

i swear, they have copies of Chinese Democracy in every single possible section and by the cash registers. "Chinese Democracy" everywhere

i also picked up that Flaming Lips Xmas on Mars

I stopped at Best Buy to look for another disc (which of course they didn't have), and they had them every where. A display at the entrance, an entire endcap, and 3 or 4 displays throughout the store.

Yet I didn't see that many people even looking at it, although it was easy to predict who was going to pick one up.

The profile:

Early to mid-30's
Prematurely balding...a few mullets
Skinny yet sporting a beer belly
Accompanied by no one

[cougarjake13]

I stopped at Best Buy to look for another disc (which of course they didn't have), and they had them every where. A display at the entrance, an entire endcap, and 3 or 4 displays throughout the store.

Yet I didn't see that many people even looking at it, although it was easy to predict who was going to pick one up.

The profile:

Early to mid-30's
Prematurely balding...a few mullets
Skinny yet sporting a beer belly
Accompanied by no one


that prob describes most of the people on this



i keed i keed

[GreatAmericanZero]

I stopped at Best Buy to look for another disc (which of course they didn't have), and they had them every where. A display at the entrance, an entire endcap, and 3 or 4 displays throughout the store.

Yet I didn't see that many people even looking at it, although it was easy to predict who was going to pick one up.

The profile:

Early to mid-30's
Prematurely balding...a few mullets
Skinny yet sporting a beer belly
Accompanied by no one

i didn't see anyone looking at it, but to be fair i didn't really see anyone looking at the cd/dvd section. BestBuy was pretty empty

[torker]

Wait for it...

[Doctor Manhattan]

...Axl Rose knows how to make a song sound like a big rock anthem, but can't really pull it off...

Isn't how a song sounds pretty important?

[Death Metal Moe]

Isn't how a song sounds pretty important?

Listen to the words MAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[MisterSmith]

They played the song "Better" on Squizz/Octane the other day and I have to say, I didn't hate it. As others have said it sounded like something out of the Early 90's, but it sounded much better (forgive the pun) than the first song released.

I'm still not going to buy the CD, but that song wasn't terrible.

[GreatAmericanZero]

They played the song "Better" on Squizz/Octane the other day and I have to say, I didn't hate it. As others have said it sounded like something out of the Early 90's, but it sounded much better (forgive the pun) than the first song released.

I'm still not going to buy the CD, but that song wasn't terrible.

i'd prefer having songs that sound like they came out of the early 90s than songs that sound like they came out of today


i just loved when ESD said to Eddie Trunk about this cd "its axl rose singing poetry..thats all you need"

[SatCam]

anyone able to sign up for a free soda yet?

[furie]

anyone able to sign up for a free soda yet?

here's what i got

Service Unavailable

[biozombie]

The Dr Pepper "New Registration" page has been loading for at least 10 minutes here, and I guess I wasn't paying attention but they're just giving out coupons, which is lame as shit. I wanted to get an actual can of soda in my mailbox :(

[torker]

They call me Mr. Pibb.

[SatCam]

The Dr Pepper "New Registration" page has been loading for at least 10 minutes here, and I guess I wasn't paying attention but they're just giving out coupons, which is lame as shit. I wanted to get an actual can of soda in my mailbox :(

well actually I think it's a 20oz bottle (I dont even know where you could buy a single can and give a coupon for it)

I was able to sign up (I think) but I didnt get any email and the sign-in keeps giving me an error message

[biozombie]

I just get a blank page now. I don't like coupons & I prefer a 12 oz can over a 20 oz bottle every.

Fuck you, Dr. Pepper, I'm boycotting your product(s) until...well, until the next time I want a can of Dr. Pepper, I guess.

[SatCam]

I just put in my mailing info but i get a blank page. I may or may not be getting a coupon in 2-3 months

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Dr-Pepper-Extends-Free-Coupon/story.aspx?guid={036CE1B9-DBF7-4C5F-8633-E79DD54B93FD}

Dr Pepper Extends Free Coupon Offer Due to Consumer Demand
Everyone in America* has until 6 PM EST on Monday, November 24 to get a free 20 oz. Dr Pepper...As a result, we've extended the offer, increased our server capacity and added a toll-free number, 1-888-DRPEPPER, for consumers to call to request their Dr Pepper."

[GreatAmericanZero]

ive already listened to this album 4-5 times since sunday so it must've done something right

i wonder which track is going to be used on the "Paulisded best albums of 08" cd? I'm choosing "Scraped"

[paulisded]

ive already listened to this album 4-5 times since sunday so it must've done something right

i wonder which track is going to be used on the "Paulisded best albums of 08" cd? I'm choosing "Scraped"

That's quite an assumption you've made.

[Death Metal Moe]

ive already listened to this album 4-5 times since sunday so it must've done something right

i wonder which track is going to be used on the "Paulisded best albums of 08" cd? I'm choosing "Scraped"

I listened to 3 songs days ago and haven't even been curious enough to put the CD back in.

Unless you listen to the radio jocks hyping this thing, most people I talk to either don't care enough to even listen or haven't liked this album.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I listened to 3 songs days ago and haven't even been curious enough to put the CD back in.

Unless you listen to the radio jocks hyping this thing, most people I talk to either don't care enough to even listen or haven't liked this album.

oh..well if it doesn't have popular opinion approval than i must be wrong

[Death Metal Moe]

oh..well if it doesn't have popular opinion approval than i must be wrong

Just adding to the conversation. Ya know, like a messageboard was designed for?

The ONLY person I know who was even interested in hearing it was my bandmate Bob, and I haven't heard his opinion of it since I gave him a copy.

I was wrong about the new Metallica CD and I really shit on it before it came out, then I changed my mind. Knowing I can be wrong judging the initial singles for a CD, I am now trying to be very careful to post an opinion and give music an honest shot.

But this CD just isn't impressing me at all. The minute I put in Death Magnetic I thought "I might have been wrong." The second I played the 1st MP3 of Chinese Democracy I wanted to shut it off but lingered through 2 more tracks.

Just one poster's opinion.

[epo]

Album sales estimates: (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600235/20081125/west_kanye.jhtml)

This development comes on the heels of a report released Monday by "Hits Daily Double," which claims Chinese Democracy is on pace to scan anywhere between 300,000 and 500,000 copies;

Ohhh....sorry not quite 700,000. Looks like Black Earl may just win that bet.

[fezident]

I hate GnR but god DAMN if "Rocket Queen" doesn't kick all kinds of ass.


Is there anything near that level of rockitude on ChiDem??

[paulisded]

Album sales estimates: (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600235/20081125/west_kanye.jhtml)



Ohhh....sorry not quite 700,000. Looks like Black Earl may just win that bet.

I had predicted about 450,000.

[cougarjake13]

Album sales estimates: (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600235/20081125/west_kanye.jhtml)



Ohhh....sorry not quite 700,000. Looks like Black Earl may just win that bet.

I had predicted about 450,000.

im surprised its even that many

[paulisded]

im surprised its even that many

It's in the news, and Best Buy's exclusive deal is creating even more publicity, and there's a curiosity factor. Next week, though, sales will go way down.

[KnoxHarrington]

Chuck Klosterman has written a review of it for The Onion, and it's good stuff. Here's the money shot, to me anyway, and about as perfect a summation of the problem with Axl Rose as I've ever seen:

The explanation as to why Chinese Democracy took so long to complete is not simply because Axl Rose is an insecure perfectionist; it's because Axl Rose self-identifies as a serious, unnatural artist. He can't stop himself from anticipating every possible reaction and interpretation of his work. I suspect he cares less about the degree to which people like his music, and more about how it is taken, regardless of the listener's ultimate judgment.

How many times over the course of this record were we told it's done, it's done, and then a track leaks, it's ridiculed, and the album disappears again?

But how's the music?

Sometimes it seems like Axl believes every single Guns N' Roses song needs to employ every single thing that Guns N' Roses has the capacity to do—there needs to be a soft part, a hard part, a falsetto stretch, some piano plinking, some R&B bullshit, a little Judas Priest, subhuman sound effects, a few Robert Plant yowls, dolphin squeaks, wind, overt sentimentality, and a caustic modernization of the blues. When he's able to temporarily balance those qualities (which happens on the title track and on "I.R.S.," the album's two strongest rock cuts), it's sprawling and entertaining and profoundly impressive. The soaring vocals crush everything. But sometimes Chinese Democracy suffers from the same inescapable problem that paralyzed proto-epics like "Estranged" and "November Rain": It's as if Axl is desperately trying to get some unmakeable dream song from inside his skull onto the CD, and the result is an overstuffed maelstrom that makes all the punk dolts scoff. His ambition is noble, yet wildly unrealistic. It's like if Jeff Lynne tried to make Out Of The Blue sound more like Fun House, except with jazz drumming and a girl singer from Motown.

By the way, the final grade is A-.

I part company with Klosterman in thinking that this musical goulash Axl serves up is worthwhile or even that interesting. It's the sound of a guy so up his own ass, so determined to make The Best Fucking Rock Album Ever, that everything turns to shit. The songs sound huge and imposing and epic, but, sorry, Axl, you didn't write "Stairway to Heaven".

[Lady Resin]

Axl Rose to Dr. Pepper: You Owe Me an Apology

Story here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458431,00.html)

[SP1!]

oh..well if it doesn't have popular opinion approval than i must be wrong
Well the more I hear some of the songs, the more I like them quite a few albums are like that.

Ohhh....sorry not quite 700,000. Looks like Black Earl may just win that bet.
I think that somehow BB will rig the final figures and make the sales appear larger, just so it stays on top, still 500k at one retailer is quite a feat.

[TjM]

I wanted to HATE this more than you could possibly know
BUT


I have to admit I like it :wallbash:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Axl Rose to Dr. Pepper: You Owe Me an Apology

Story here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458431,00.html)

His lawyer wants Dr Pepper to pay the band for what he calls "unauthorized use and abuse of their publicity and intellectual property rights."

I might be wrong but I don't think the Dr Pepper site ever mentioned Guns n' Roses during that giveaway (I never got through, so maybe I didn't see it if there was a mention)

[Reephdweller]

The few songs I've heard haven't impressed me all that much. It's not awful, and may actually grow on me with a few listens. The one song I've listened to that I liked right away was one called "I.R.S.", we'll see how the rest of it plays out.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The one song I've listened to that I liked right away was one called "I.R.S.", we'll see how the rest of it plays out.

That's the one I like too. I have had a leaked version of CD on my iPod for years now and that is the only song I've ever gone back to. I have no interest in getting the actual release version, I don't even want to download it illegally.

[Dougie Brootal]

"there was a time" kicks ass.

[torker]

"there was a time" kicks ass.
agreed
a lot of the stuff i didn't care for the first time around is starting to stick in my head

[Antioch]

I've never bought a GNR album, and in fact when they came out in the 80s I actively made fun of their name... but having listened to the new album, Chinese Democracy, I can't see any real problems with it... it still isn't anything I'd buy, but I was able to listen to it once and enjoyed it.

[Dougie Brootal]

agreed
a lot of the stuff i didn't care for the first time around is starting to stick in my head

i finally gave in and bought it and i like it as much as i thought i would. its good but it would have had better impact in 1998.

[Chimee]

I finally broke down and gave the CD a listen and liked it a lot more than I thought I would. It's not great, but it wasn't abysmal. After a sleepless night of "This I Love" playing through my mind, I may never listen to the CD again.

[FunkyDrummer]

Face!

From the Los Angeles Times
POP MUSIC
Sales of Guns N' Roses' 'Chinese Democracy' drop sharply
They fall off by 78% during the album's second week in stores.
By Randy Lewis

December 13, 2008

The downfall of Soviet Communism took 70 years, but "Chinese Democracy" appears to be in jeopardy after just two weeks. The Guns N' Roses album that was 17 years in the making climbed only as high as No. 3 when it debuted on the national sales chart. It has tumbled to No. 18 in its second week of release.

That's a disturbing sign for the most expensive to produce album ever in rock, the cost once estimated at $13 million. But the pop world just might have reached its limit in indulging frontman Axl Rose's appetite for production, which led to delay after delay, year after year.

"Fool me once, shame on you -- fool me 20 times, and I'll be done with you," says Guitar Player magazine Associate Editor Matt Blackett on the tepid public reaction to the album so far.

"Chinese Democracy" sold 261,000 copies in the U.S. in the first week following its Nov. 23 release as an exclusive at Best Buy stores -- a r
espectable figure in an age of diminished record industry expectations, but it's just half of what 18-year-old singer-songwriter Taylor Swift’s second album, "Fearless," sold two weeks earlier.

What's more, the reconstituted GNR tallied one-third of what another veteran hard rock band, AC/DC, sold out of the gate with “Black Ice” in October. That album, a Wal-Mart exclusive, notched a 784,000 first-week sales figure.

Only two albums have crossed the 2 million sales mark during 2008, Lil Wayne's "Tha Carter III," which had a 1-million-plus first week in June, and Coldplay's "Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends," which came out a week later and posted 721,000 copies in its first week.

As of press time, GNR's management and record company did not respond to requests for comments for this article.

The GNR album was outsold by Kanye West’s “808s and Heartbreak,” which logged sales of 450,000 the same week, and Swift's album, leaving it at No. 3 for its chart debut. Second-week sales plummeted 78%, to about 57,000 copies, leaving its two-week U.S. total under 320,000 copies.

"I think it may have died in the November-December holiday rush of record releases," said Rita Wilde, program director at classic-rock radio station KLOS-FM (95.5), which has given limited airplay to the new songs.

"The biggest mistake they made was the release of the first single, 'Chinese Democracy,' " Wilde said. "It just didn't have it. When you wait so long for something, you want to make sure it has it. When we played it, people went, 'Eh.' "

A consensus on the music has been hard to come by.

Giving the album four stars on a five-star scale, Rolling Stone hailed "Chinese Democracy" as "a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record," and Times critic Ann Powers lauded it as “a cyborgian blend of pop expressiveness, traditional rock bravado and Brian Wilson-style beautiful weirdness.”

But Paste Magazine wrote, "Too bad the epitaph's already scrawled in 'Chinese Democracy's' anachronistic margins: a bottomless pit dug by disposable income, a persecution complex and egomania."

At Metacritic.com, which employs a 100-point scale, it racked up only 66 points after averaging 23 reviews.

As for fans, "We waited 14 years for this?" Times reader Stan Nicolaides posted at latimes.com. "[I'd] rather listen to the White Stripes or Black Rebel Motorcycle Club."

A reader using the name Greg D, however, wrote: "This is a masterpiece of modern music and when given the opportunity to be fully digested, will leave you stunned."

Although it's unlikely that anyone remotely interested in rock music was unaware of "Chinese Democracy" after all the publicity it has generated over the years, marketing efforts were hampered by Rose's decision not to conduct any interviews or tour in conjunction with its release. (He has, however, communicated regularly to fans through GNR’s online forum.)

Fans are still holding out for one or both possibilities in 2009.

"There are definitely some good tracks on here that could be released next year as singles for various different [radio] formats," KLOS' Wilde said. "Probably in the new year the label will rework it and hopefully there will be a tour. If Axl tours, there's hope they can salvage the record."

If Rose and those around him should have developed anything during the wait for "Chinese Democracy," it's patience, a quality some think will be necessary before rendering a verdict on the album's success in the marketplace.

"It looks like 'Better,' the second single, is getting some traction and seems to be liked by radio," said Jeff Pollack, one of the nation's leading radio consultants. "It's still very early on in the project. The record has had some good reviews, and I think it's a deep album and there are a lot of potential songs for radio to embrace."

Mike Boyle, editor of the rock and active rock charts for the industry trade Radio & Records, noted that rock programmers do seem more enthusiastic about "Better" than they were over the title track, which peaked at No. 7 on its active rock chart.

"The band had become the butt of jokes everywhere, so radio initially was cautious," Boyle said. "But they delivered the goods and, quite frankly, that band wouldn't have two songs on the chart if they weren't delivering the goods."

Lewis is a Times staff writer.

randy.lewis@latimes.com

[SP1!]

That doesnt surprise me, I liked the album but nothing really stands out on it though.

I still say this album is better than black ice, that album sounded like crap.

[Walt1028]

Thanks Axl and Dr. Pepper

http://www.tehupload.com/uploads/2481b757b2a5a01SANY0791.JPG

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

1987 is dead and gone...axl can blow it out his ass.

Chinese Water Torture = More fun than Chinese Democracy

[Lady Resin]

It's Not My Fault!!! (http://www.wpix.com/landing/?blockID=163494&feedID=1335)

[yojimbo7248]

I'm assuming that it is basically Dave's childhood friends that he talked about today who care enough about this album enough to continue this thread. What does Dave have to do when he officially loses the bet to Earl?

[ecobag2]

This album...




































KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dino_electropolis]

This album...



































KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. I got it for Christmas (which is delayed in light o how big of a fan i am) and my first reaction was, meh.


But having listened to it, the shit is growing on me like crazy.


Fuckin AXL !!!!!

[King Imp]

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree as well.

On first listen, I thought the first half was good, but the second half just tailed off. Then I listened again the other day and it's really starting to grow on me.

Now, it's definitely no Appetite for Destruction, but without comparing the old GnR to the new, this album stands up pretty well on it's own.

[ecobag2]

I agree. I got it for Christmas (which is delayed in light o how big of a fan i am) and my first reaction was, meh.


But having listened to it, the shit is growing on me like crazy.


Fuckin AXL !!!!!

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree as well.

On first listen, I thought the first half was good, but the second half just tailed off. Then I listened again the other day and it's really starting to grow on me.

Now, it's definitely no Appetite for Destruction, but without comparing the old GnR to the new, this album stands up pretty well on it's own.

I agree. It's not the best - and might even be at the low end of their (mostly) original albums - which is like 2 releases really since the second side of Lies was covers. But I get a real kick out of the mood more than anything on this album. A lot of the lyrics are - meh, it's more the attitude and the music I'm really enjoying.

[furie]

i've given this album a few goos listens.
I think it's an okay GNR album. above Lies, but below the others

[scottinnj]

It' gives me the same vibe as the Use Your Illusions set. Me likey a lot.

[Willmore]

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/siren.gif

Chinese Democracy plagiarized! (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5944WT20091005)

[PapaBear]

Parallel writing. Just ask Billy Staples and Conan O'Brien. :wink: