Congestion pricing

[boobieman]

Hello,
Just wondering what others think of the congestion pricing that will be coming to NYC. It was approved by the city council and the GOV is backing it. It will be passed.

I don't drive much into Manhattan; I live in Brooklyn and work in Brooklyn. My wife works in Manhattan. Right now the trains are a disaster. The express buses are packed like their going to a camp in Germany. Now with this plan, the city will get millions before the plan goes into affect, which is scheduled to start 3/31/09. But with the MTA being what it is (They just raised the fares and already said they will delay the upgrades they promised with the fare hike) I don't think they will be able to do it. The trains will be packed like Japan.

Now if you don't drive in or go to Manhattan on a regular basic it will still affect you. The outlining areas outside of Manhattan will be permit parking. So if you don't have a permit you can park in these areas but for only 2 hours. Also all the businesses will pay more in Manhattan and then push the cost off to the consumer.

Just feel the city will do anything to bleed more money out of us. I guess I am tired of the bullsh*t. I hope it does what they expect from this plan but I doubt it. My faith with this city is just in the crapper.

Just my BS.

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[Furtherman]

It will be passed.

It will? Wasn't it recently shut down?

[boobieman]

Nope the city council passed it. Their was a press conference last night. Watched it on NY1. Just the state assembly has to pass it, and they will. If they get some sort of money for their districts they will pass it.

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[Jujubees2]

On paper, the plan is a good one as it will cut down on traffic in the city which will be a definate environmental benefit. The problem, as you mentioned, is that the money going to MTA to upgrade mass transit will be wasted as the MTA has no idea what it is doing.

[TooLowBrow]

upgrade mass transit? theyve been digging the 2nd ave subway line for 30 years!
if they were going to upgrade then they shouldve started log ago. we're not gonna see any changes for a long long time.

[topless_mike]

and the GOV is backing it.

you had me at this.

I think its a way for NYC to bleed more money out of the residents to help pay for the olympic bid gone bad. I think the city is still bitter that they did not get chosen, well because, lets face it, with manhatten is all about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Kris10]

Ugh! I can't stomach going into NY. I have no clue where I'm going and I can't stand having to pay for all these nightmares. I'd be so lost if I was to get dropped in the city and have to find my way out.

Sorry, guess I have nothing to add but my apologies.

[jonyrotn]

Ugh! I can't stomach going into NY. I have no clue where I'm going and I can't stand having to pay for all these nightmares. I'd be so lost if I was to get dropped in the city and have to find my way out.

Sorry, guess I have nothing to add but my apologies.
If you were lost in the City you could stay with Me..I would even pay the ransom they impose to let a lost person out of Manhattan..I'd sleep on the couch of course..

[TooLowBrow]

how many people ride the bus and subway every day?
$2 a person
= daily mta income?


do chimps run that business?

[Kris10]

I'd sleep on the couch of course..

That wouldn't be necessary

[Devo37]

On paper, the plan is a good one as it will cut down on traffic in the city which will be a definate environmental benefit. The problem, as you mentioned, is that the money going to MTA to upgrade mass transit will be wasted as the MTA has no idea what it is doing.

this has nothing to do with pollution or the environment. right now, i drive from queens to NJ for work. If there was a tunnel connecting queens & NJ, i would never drive into the city.

Commuting through manhattan to my job is 13.5 miles (one way).

If i avoid manhattan by going through staten island, it becomes a 45 mile commute each way, which means i'd be driving 3 times as many miles, produce 3 times as much pollution, have 3 times as much wear & tear on my car, require 3 times as much toxic fluids for my car, need to replace the car sooner, etc.

This is nothing but a money grab by the city, and it stinks!

for now, even if i was still working in NJ a year from now when it goes into effect, it wouldn't mean much for my costs, since the tunnel toll would be subtracted from the congestion price. don't worry, though, they'll eventually eliminate that "discount." you can be sure of that!

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

[topless_mike]

build a tunnel (or an overpass) from jersey under the city and into long island.

thats what? 5 miles of tunnel tops.

boom- less congestion in the city. a percentage of the traffic in the city, im willing to bet, is pass-thru traffic.

[boobieman]

Update: Now New Jersey is getting involved. NJ might file a lawsuit to stop the plan. If the plan goes through, then the port authority will have to pay the city 1 billion dollars...as I hold my pinkly to my mouth...to the city. Also NJ riders will have to pay and the GOV from NJ thinks this is unfair. So just have to wait and see now. NY State assembly will be voting on this today. They have to reach a deal by Monday.

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[topless_mike]

Update: Now New Jersey is getting involved. NJ might file a lawsuit to stop the plan. If the plan goes through, then the port authority will have to pay the city 1 billion dollars...as I hold my pinkly to my mouth...to the city. Also NJ riders will have to pay and the GOV from NJ thinks this is unfair. So just have to wait and see now. NY State assembly will be voting on this today. They have to reach a deal by Monday.

SSSEEEEEYAAAAYYYYYY


so, its ok for the NJ gov to fuck the residents of his own state (and tourists) by raising tolls, but now he's bitching about what another state is doing?

umm....

[Jujubees2]

how many people ride the bus and subway every day?
$2 a person
= daily mta income?


do chimps run that business?

Don't forget to thow in the current tolls for the MTA bridges, a large chunk which goes to "paying for mass transit".

[saveopieanthony.net]

this has nothing to do with pollution or the environment. right now, i drive from queens to NJ for work. If there was a tunnel connecting queens & NJ, i would never drive into the city.

Commuting through manhattan to my job is 13.5 miles (one way).

If i avoid manhattan by going through staten island, it becomes a 45 mile commute each way, which means i'd be driving 3 times as many miles, produce 3 times as much pollution, have 3 times as much wear & tear on my car, require 3 times as much toxic fluids for my car, need to replace the car sooner, etc.

This is nothing but a money grab by the city, and it stinks!

for now, even if i was still working in NJ a year from now when it goes into effect, it wouldn't mean much for my costs, since the tunnel toll would be subtracted from the congestion price. don't worry, though, they'll eventually eliminate that "discount." you can be sure of that!

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:


Listen, you control where you live and work, not the city. If you don't want to deal with traffic, move away from NY. I hate it when people complain about how busy NY is, how noisy, loud, traffic congested, polluted etc when all they have to do is get another gig away from the BIGGEST FUCKING CITY IN THE WORLD. How hard is that to believe?

Your position is that you are upset because you want to travel through manhattan because it's "faster" for you. Fuck that you selfish prick. Move to jersey and avoid the most crowded piece of real estate in the world.

There's so much traffic in the Manhattan and and brooklyn and queens fuckers have been coasting in their cars with no bridge tolls over the east river forever. it's not they are asking for the "hard working" people to pay for something additional, it's something they should have been paying all along....and now they have to pay for what they are getting they view it as an increase.

The fed gov will give us 1/2 a billion dollars if we do congestion pricing for transit improvements. half. a. billion. If we don't do congestion pricing, that half billion comes off the table.

If you have to pay to go into the city during peak hours, less cars will go into manhattan and there will be less traffic. Take mass transit instead of sitting in a truck or car. If you don't like paying the toll or taking mass transit, move.

You pay the price for living in the city. If you want to bitch and moan, leave. Don't blame the city for trying to get money from the fed government, something all you fuckers that actually vote and care about politics say when you feel like complaining. :wallbash:

[Jujubees2]

Listen, you control where you live and work, not the city. If you don't want to deal with traffic, move away from NY. I hate it when people complain about how busy NY is, how noisy, loud, traffic congested, polluted etc when all they have to do is get another gig away from the BIGGEST FUCKING CITY IN THE WORLD. How hard is that to believe?

Your position is that you are upset because you want to travel through manhattan because it's "faster" for you. Fuck that you selfish prick. Move to jersey and avoid the most crowded piece of real estate in the world.

There's so much traffic in the Manhattan and and brooklyn and queens fuckers have been coasting in their cars with no bridge tolls over the east river forever. it's not they are asking for the "hard working" people to pay for something additional, it's something they should have been paying all along....and now they have to pay for what they are getting they view it as an increase.

The fed gov will give us 1/2 a billion dollars if we do congestion pricing for transit improvements. half. a. billion. If we don't do congestion pricing, that half billion comes off the table.

If you have to pay to go into the city during peak hours, less cars will go into manhattan and there will be less traffic. Take mass transit instead of sitting in a truck or car. If you don't like paying the toll or taking mass transit, move.

You pay the price for living in the city. If you want to bitch and moan, leave. Don't blame the city for trying to get money from the fed government, something all you fuckers that actually vote and care about politics say when you feel like complaining. :wallbash:


I was thinking the same thing, though not exactly in those words. I mean it's not like you have to drive into lower Manhattan if you want to go into Manhattan. If even if yo have to, you still can. It'll just cost you.

Yeah, the mass transit system isn't the best but it'll get you there.

[TooLowBrow]

If you have to pay to go into the city during peak hours, less cars will go into manhattan and there will be less traffic. Take mass transit instead of sitting in a truck or car. If you don't like paying the toll or taking mass transit, move.



wont this just turn parts of brooklyn, queens, jersey, and manhattan above 66th st into huge parking lots?

[saveopieanthony.net]

wont this just turn parts of brooklyn, queens, jersey, and manhattan above 66th st into huge parking lots?

they aren't already?? news to me.

[boobieman]

they aren't already?? news to me.

Most of these area's are already parking lots...but thanks to this great city who let people knock down 1 family houses and put up 6 story 12 apartment co-ops and provide no parking is the reason that they are parking lots. At least in Brooklyn it is like that.


1.half.billion dollars to the MTA, we all can see how great the MTA is at handling money. I don't even take the trains regularly, I hope they can do major improvements. But the MTA track record shows they just are fuck ups. I don't think that money will even go to the 2nd avenue line in Manhattan. Which is only taking what 20 or so years.

I am also tired of just one more thing they take away from you or make you pay for. Just tired of I turn around and wipe my ass and bang...I have to pay. Just tired of it.


SESSSSSSSE YAAAAADDAAAAAAAAAWWWW

[mendyweiss]

I Left That Rat Race Years Ago !!. Come Down TO DC. Every Other Person Here Is Either From NY OR Jersey. You Won't Be Lonely. And YYou Can't Get em To Move Back Home For Nuthin !!

[Furtherman]

BIGGEST FUCKING CITY IN THE WORLD

Actually, NYC is the 5th largest. But I don't drive in so it doesn't matter to me.

[Kris10]

$21 for truck drivers.... wow!

[joethebartender]

$21 for truck drivers.... wow!

Is that the going rate? Those tunnel bunnies always get me for 40...(80 for full service):wink:

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[Kris10]

Is that the going rate? Those tunnel bunnies always get me for 40...(80 for full service):wink:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/jm248/streetwalker.jpg

LMAO! Shut up Joe!

[cupcakelove]

Now you just get to worry about gas prices.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/congestion-pricing-plan-is-dead-assembly-speaker-says/index.html?hp

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s ambitious dream to remake New York City streets with an elaborate plan for congestion pricing died today in a private conference room on the third floor of the State Capitol.

[conman823]

When does the federal government step in and audit the MTA? This organization is a JOKE, one year its a huge surplus the next were raising fares with the same shitty service. The Mayor wanted people to take mass transit which is overcrowded and slow on the go on a good day. I work for a local rail service and have a lot of friends in the MTA. All they do is increase executive salaries and add people to there BOARD. Audit the MTA and you will find a lot of $$ going to waste. Fix the tracks and upgrade the trains.

Also the crossings should all be tolls at this point, sorry if you go from Queens etc to Manhattan your not special just pay like I do to come back to Staten Island every day.

Finally the whole roads, tunnel, and bridges system needs to be overhauled.

Also doesn't public works projects create jobs?

[boobieman]

Also the crossings should all be tolls at this point, sorry if you go from Queens etc to Manhattan your not special just pay like I do to come back to Staten Island every day.

Finally the whole roads, tunnel, and bridges system needs to be overhauled.

Also doesn't public works projects create jobs?



If they put tolls on the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges, the traffic would be for miles and miles. Giving all that great congestion & pollution to those poor neighborhoods.

Yes public works projects do create jobs, but if done right it could create more jobs and better opportunities.

Also something else with this plan, they were going to put cameras all over the city, so it could take a picture of your license plate and this way they know who to charge. 358 million would go to the city, but have to pay to put the cameras up and to maintain. Bye Bye to at least half that money, trains still run like shit. MTA is just a bunch of asses.

Well it’s a dead point, it did not pass (Which I am sort of shocked) and it is gone. Fuck you Bloomberg, another half ass idea in the toilet. I really don't like him.

Wow is this how the blow hard sounds.....

SEE EEEYAYYAYAAAAAAAAAA

[Bulldogcakes]

Yes public works projects do create jobs, but if done right it could create more jobs and better opportunities.


Done right? Did you just move here from the midwest?

Do yourself a favor. Check out the Air Train to Kennedy. Billions were spent, and the fucking thing runs empty all day long. Its also about 2 cars long, which means it has no chance of recovering the money that was spent building it. There never was any demand for it, it was a boondoggle from day 1, and its emptiness proves it.

But whether it was needed or will ever turn a profit had nothing to do with it. That's NY politics 101.

[Devo37]

Done right? Did you just move here from the midwest?

Do yourself a favor. Check out the Air Train to Kennedy. Billions were spent, and the fucking thing runs empty all day long. Its also about 2 cars long, which means it has no chance of recovering the money that was spent building it. There never was any demand for it, it was a boondoggle from day 1, and its emptiness proves it.

But whether it was needed or will ever turn a profit had nothing to do with it. That's NY politics 101.

every time i go to jfk and see that idiotic Air Train, the only explanation i can come up with is mafia construction contracts.

[Mike Teacher]

every time i go to jfk and see that idiotic Air Train, the only explanation i can come up with is mafia construction contracts.

I forgot it existed until you guys mnentioned it.

Wow. I remember that being built. It still exists?

Man some people got paid.

[Bulldogcakes]

every time i go to jfk and see that idiotic Air Train, the only explanation i can come up with is mafia construction contracts.

Silly you. If we just give the MORE of our money, this time it will be spent on paving the roads with velvet and subway trains with a bed and kitchenette for every passenger.

Fresh linens, of course. And a mint under each pillow.

[joethebartender]

Fresh linens, of course. And a mint under each pillow.

They usually put the mint on top of the pillow. This way you don't wake up in the middle of the night thinking you shit the bed. Where have you been staying lately?

[Drunky McBetidont]

They usually put the load on top of the pillow. This way you don't wake up in the middle of the night thinking you shit the bed. Where have you been staying lately?


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[Bulldogcakes]

They usually put the mint on top of the pillow. This way you don't wake up in the middle of the night thinking you shit the bed. Where have you been staying lately?

Yeah, I suck. This is what happens when you open a small business and don't take vacations.

[led37zep]

every time i go to jfk and see that idiotic Air Train, the only explanation i can come up with is mafia construction contracts.

Seems like a good point to jump in.

As someone who's spent his life on the west coast, driving EVERYWHERE, I can't tell you how great the system in NY really is. Maybe its because I've never lived in a city with an actual transit system (LA has one, but to this day I don't know anyone who's ever taken it) but I found the MTA to be extremely helpful to get around the city, including the Air Train from JFK.

The entire time we were running around the various boroughs we never needed a cab (aside from the one time I got shit hammered at the Rodeo Bar). Was it crowded? Ya
Were some of the stations shitholes? Ya....but fuck it. It did its job, it got me from point A to point B without any real problems. There is always room for improvement, but in a city the size of NY I can't image thats an easy feat to accomplish.

Now talk me to in a year or two when I'm riding it every day and late for work because of some shitty breakdown, or I can't cram into a train and I might change my tone. For now I'm pretty pumped to have a system that can take me from Astoria to Midtown, or the Village or Brooklyn for $2 bucks...much better than the $600 I'm paying for my car and insurance now (not counting gas and parking tickets).