R&F Listening Thread for 04/3/2008

[PapaBear]

Ah. Now I get the stat.

[Solace666]

pools can be used defensively... it just takes some skill to lure your attacker into your backyard.

HAHA, good one

[Tenbatsuzen]

Me, from almost a year ago:

Are you kidding me? When Ron and Fez first set up your reviews they talked about MafiaLife and what it was, and even encouraged Fez to play. In fact, there are always a few jokes about the game.

And since you have advertising on XM, people would know what MafiaLife is!

Therefore, if you appear as MafiaLifeChris, you're plugging your site. This is not very hard to understand.

I told you, if you want to appear, appear as Chris from Brooklyn. Otherwise, you're plugging your site and your move to pull advertising from XM is entirely false.

Quite honestly, if something happened with TGI Fridays or something like that, I would immediately change my name to either Matty from Jersey or Matty Tenbats. It's not that hard.

And who is trying to derail the thread? We're having a conversation where you tried to gain accolades for what you were doing from the community, I posted a few questions about how true your stance was about XM, and you took it very, very personally.

Remember Chris - I'm not the one who is namecalling. I'm just pointing out the holes in your logic, and you are the one who is completely overreacting. You want to call me a hater? Remember, I'm not the one who threatens people over a messageboard when they disagree with you.

Good luck, Christopher Robin, and god bless.

[comp_atkins]

The scary fact that is being overlooked is that there are 200 MILLION guns!

It pains me to say this, but i cant disagree more with Ronnie on this one....it seems his answer for gun violence would be more guns (b/c law abiding people could "protect" themselves)

If you take that logic to its absurd conclusion, the country would be safest (in terms of gun violence) if EVERYONE was packin heat.

Nonsense.
(i tried calling in with this, but whoever was running the phones wasnt to impressed...lol)

comes back to the question of wtf is wrong with this country that everyone needs to be armed to be safe...

[Zorro]

From Freakonomics:

In a given year in the US there is one drowning for every 11,000 pools. [6 million pools = approx 550 child drowning per year; kids under ten].

There is one child killed by a gun for every 1 million guns [200 million guns = 175 under ten die from guns per year]

Your kid is roughly 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident at Todd's house then in gunplay at Ron's.

Yeah, but if a player at the blackjack table plays wrong how many kids die?

[Mike Teacher]

That's a good stat, but it's still kinda flawed. If you have a responsible gun owner, who has 5 guns, it makes the stat off. Not too many people have 5 pools.

Pap Bear absolutely; and the numbers will fluctuate.

I was lucky enough to have a copy of Freakonomics next to me and remembered the 'Pool Vs. Guns' thing.

The aim of the chapter wasnt about guns at all, but at how bad humans are at assessing risk; "The risks that scare people and the risks that kill people are very different.'

[RAAMONE]

I think 200 millions guns and only about 200 kids get killed is amazing

its almost worth losing a couple hundred kids to be able to have so many guns

[cupcakelove]

I don't get this, who's going around acting like pools are safe for little kids? Don't some states make you build a fence around the pool of a certain height because they're dangerous for children? I don't see any states making people build fences around their house if they own a gun.

[BeerBandit]

Guns don't kill people, unmedicated schizophrenics do.

[Solace666]

I don't get this, who's going around acting like pools are safe for little kids? Don't some states make you build a fence around the pool of a certain height because they're dangerous for children? I don't see any states making people build fences around their house if they own a gun.

... because guns kill less kids so it's less of a problem

[Mike Teacher]

pools can be used defensively... it just takes some skill to lure your attacker into your backyard.

Worked for Shatner.

[PapaBear]

I don't shoot your toilet. Please don't pee on my gun.

[cringefan]

That's the #1 reason not to get a gun. If it means the difference between protecting yourself and feeling you need it to live by.

there was a time in the usa when everyone owned a gun, it was considered being a good citizen. only a freeloader would expect police to protect them personally 24/7. only a fool would wait to be a victim. in modern america, not everyone needs to own a gun. but if the criminals don't know who is or isn't packing, it makes them much more likely to think there is no risk to abusing a good citizen!

facts are facts - as gun ownership increases, violent crime rates go down. as gun ownership is more restricted, violent crime goes up.


don't pass judgment based on your feeling that looks down on someone who wants to feel safe in his home and possessions, like anthony cumia.

ant is not crazy!!!! :wallbash:

[Mike Teacher]

Drown the Guns

[Friday]

Me, from almost a year ago:



Good luck, Christopher Robin, and god bless.

you, sir, have a special strain of OCD. :bye:

[ANC]

I don't shoot your toilet. Please don't pee on my gun.

:thumbup:

[dino_electropolis]

we are a nation obsessed with violence, especially gun violence. I really think that this actually tips the mental scale of people teetering on insanity. To wit, if guns didnt exist and the only alternative was say, procuring an army tank, the difficulty of obtaining the tank would act as a deterent from the crime being committed. Sure, the "criminal" could lash out in other ways, but there would be not death by tank.
Its already been said that getting a gun is easy (for those who want to get one). The fact that you could get it that easy, i think, only promotes these kinds of crimes.

[IamFogHat]

I just activated my new Helix, bad idea during the show, takes like 15 minutes, did I miss anything great?

[Solace666]

Drown the Guns

Shoot the kids!

[Tenbatsuzen]

you, sir, have a special strain of OCD. :bye:

More like memory like a steel trap and excellent google-fu

[dino_electropolis]

there was a time in the usa when everyone owned a gun, it was considered being a good citizen. only a freeloader would expect police to protect them personally 24/7. only a fool would wait to be a victim. in modern america, not everyone needs to own a gun. but if the criminals don't know who is or isn't packing, it makes them much more likely to think there is no risk to abusing a good citizen!

facts are facts - as gun ownership increases, violent crime rates go down. as gun ownership is more restricted, violent crime goes up.


don't pass judgment based on your feeling that looks down on someone who wants to feel safe in his home and possessions, like anthony cumia.

ant is not crazy!!!! :wallbash:

There was a time in america when blacks were slaves and when your neighbor was a potential communist.......


Has there ever been a time when there weren't guns in america? Is that such a scary thought?

[ANC]

there was a time in the usa when everyone owned a gun, it was considered being a good citizen. only a freeloader would expect police to protect them personally 24/7. only a fool would wait to be a victim. in modern america, not everyone needs to own a gun. but if the criminals don't know who is or isn't packing, it makes them much more likely to think there is no risk to abusing a good citizen!

facts are facts - as gun ownership increases, violent crime rates go down. as gun ownership is more restricted, violent crime goes up.


don't pass judgment based on your feeling that looks down on someone who wants to feel safe in his home and possessions, like anthony cumia.

ant is not crazy!!!! :wallbash:

I think either I didn't get my point across or you read it wrong. I was referring to the "scared of the world" part of the post. Meaning if you're scared of the world you have more going on than just protecting yourself ie. paranoia. So I meant a person who is paranoid shouldn't have a gun to alleviate it.

[nate1000]

From Freakonomics:

In a given year in the US there is one drowning for every 11,000 pools. [6 million pools = approx 550 child drowning per year; kids under ten].

There is one child killed by a gun for every 1 million guns [200 million guns = 175 under ten die from guns per year]

Your kid is roughly 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident at Todd's house then in gunplay at Ron's.

Shouldn't some sort of an adjustment be made for proximity and/or usage? A pool is probably a million times more likely to be used by a child than a gun. That is a pool is exposed much more to a situation where a drowning is a possible outcome, whereas the gun in your vietnam vet uncle's attic probably has not had ever any contact with children. If you normalize the data to include only guns that come into contact with children, or are housed in homes with children and compare that to pools at homes with children, I'd bet that the data changes significantly.

This is why statistics suck. Any asshat with a math degree can mine the data to show us whatever he wants.

[Mike Teacher]

we are a nation obsessed with violence, especially gun violence. I really think that this actually tips the mental scale of people teetering on insanity. To wit, if guns didnt exist and the only alternative was say, procuring an army tank, the difficulty of obtaining the tank would act as a deterent from the crime being committed. Sure, the "criminal" could lash out in other ways, but there would be not death by tank.
Its already been said that getting a gun is easy (for those who want to get one). The fact that you could get it that easy, i think, only promotes these kinds of crimes.

Dino youre a lawyer ya? Just wondering; thought you mentioned a client or something in another thread.

And I agree on the number of guns, staggering. What to do? I'm cah-lue-less.

[dino_electropolis]

Shouldn't some sort of an adjustment be made for proximity and/or usage? A pool is probably a million times more likely to be used by a child than a gun. That is a pool is exposed much more to a situation where a drowning is a possible outcome, whereas the gun in your vietnam vet uncle's attic probably has not had ever any contact with children. If you normalize the data to include only guns that come into contact with children, or are housed in homes with children and compare that to pools at homes with children, I'd bet that the data changes significantly.

This is why statistics suck. Any asshat with a math degree can mine the data to show us whatever he wants.

Well said.....beside, there are nonviolent uses for pools.....in fact, the whole idea of using a pool touches on the complete opposite emotion of violence.

Guns have ONE function....to injure, kill or maim. Thats it. Whether you couch it in terms of home protection, or hunting.....their ONLY function is to destroy.

Its very simple, people.

[nate1000]

I don't get this, who's going around acting like pools are safe for little kids? Don't some states make you build a fence around the pool of a certain height because they're dangerous for children? I don't see any states making people build fences around their house if they own a gun.

OOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!

Good point!!!

[hexy68]

dave's gonna be a father :wacko: :laugh: :lol:

[cringefan]

I think either I didn't get my point across or you read it wrong. I was referring to the "scared of the world" part of the post. Meaning if you're scared of the world you have more going on than just protecting yourself ie. paranoia. So I meant a person who is paranoid shouldn't have a gun to alleviate it.

OK I did misunderstand your post but so what? If you're paranoid maybe it's for good reason i.e. it's a tough world out there and you're not a tough guy. So, you get a gun and then feel better why is that bad? I agree if you're paranoid like hearing voices and the dog is telling you to kill your neighbor, but I don't think Fezzy is in that category....

[pittphantoms]

I say we find that aussie and get Dave's $80!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Incidentally, since we're looking for a house, a MAJOR turn-off is an inground pool, and we will make the previous homeowner remove any above-ground pool as a term for moving in.

[Mike Teacher]

I want a gun shaped pool

[comp_atkins]

dave is a certified maniac.

[Solace666]

I want a gun shaped pool

What about a pool shaped gun? Huh?

[Sloppy2nds]

Dave is a effing animal, luv him.

[RAAMONE]

I want a gun shaped pool

didnt someone suggest Ant get a gun shaped pool

[dino_electropolis]

Dino youre a lawyer ya? Just wondering; thought you mentioned a client or something in another thread.

And I agree on the number of guns, staggering. What to do? I'm cah-lue-less.

Yes, i took the unfortunate career path as an attorney.....

I consider myself more an attorney by day, rock star by night.....lol

but having dealt with a decent amount of criminal work, i am perhaps exposed to the effects of gun violence than the average person.

The whole argument about 2nd amendment rights is sooooo dated. The right to bear arms was so the small citizenry can organize militias.....not about hunting, not about home protection. Guess what? We dont need organized militias anymore. How many gun owners ARE part of a militia? Exactly.

[RAAMONE]

MLC seems like a very boring guy...never heard him even the least bit excited on air

[nate1000]

Z-man plugs are easily the best thing ESD ever brought to the show.

[Mike Teacher]

the most debated three words ever? = well regulated militia

[Hottub]

Dave and Z Man. Pefect Together.

[dino_electropolis]

the most debated three words ever? = well regulated militia

the least practiced three words ever?= love thy neighbor

[Furtherman]

Lily is going out with Earl to get her picture taken after the show.



This may be the last time we hear from Lily.

[ANC]

OK I did misunderstand your post but so what? If you're paranoid maybe it's for good reason i.e. it's a tough world out there and you're not a tough guy. So, you get a gun and then feel better why is that bad? I agree if you're paranoid like hearing voices and the dog is telling you to kill your neighbor, but I don't think Fezzy is in that category....

I don't think Fez is in that category either. But basically what I get from your post is "It's okay to buy a gun to make yourself feel like a big man"

I'm a believe in the right to bear arms but for the right reasons, that's all I'm saying.

[A.J.]

the most debated three words ever? = well regulated militia

the least practiced three words ever?= love thy neighbor

The worst three words ever = Let's be friends.

[Solace666]

The worst three words ever = Let's be friends.

The worst three words ever = Too much teeth

[PD]

yes. you should receive a confirmation. you then have to reply to that email to confirm if it's just you or if you are bringing a guest.

i got mine today

Thanks - I sent jayme an email, and now I'm confirmed for Lewis Black.

[dino_electropolis]

The worst three words ever = Let's be friends.

:drunk:

[chili]

Janine Garafolo...

:thumbdown:

[BeerBandit]

the most debated three words ever? = well regulated militia

who watches the watchmen?

[hexy68]

The worst three words ever = Too much teeth

no it's = Is It In?

[jauble]

see ya buddays

[Freakshow]

who watches the watchmen?

The Coast Guard?

[comp_atkins]

The worst three words ever = Too much teeth

worst 3 words ever "satellite of love"

[nate1000]

The worst three words ever = Too much teeth

Close second: Satellite of Love:down:

Seeyuh!

Edit: Damn you atkins *shakes fist*

[Chip196]

who watches the watchmen?

that's 4 words.

[PD]

who watches the watchmen?

http://watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/header.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

worst 3 words ever "satellite of love"



wow....well done sir....poignant and true...those 3 words bring sadness everyday.

[Midkiff]

Leave MLC alone.

[hexy68]

cya...:bye:

[ANC]

Later Buddies!

[Baby DEW Year]

worst 3 words ever "satellite of love"

Worst 3 words = Dave McDonald Unmasked!

[BeerBandit]

that's 4 words.

"the" doesn't count. That's why it's never capitalized in titles.

[hexy68]

Worst 3 words = Dave McDonald Undressed!

...fixed it

[Jughead]

...fixed it

:lol:

[Hottub]

Good one, Atkins.

"Is that it?"

[Chip196]

"the" doesn't count. That's why it's never capitalized in titles.

Booooooo

[AlabamaMan]

Jenine Girafalo's a comedian?

We agree on something?:clap:

[mendyweiss]

Since Mendy Will Be Traveling To New Jersey Tomorow, Tomorrow's Song Will Be....
Well, You Know What The Song Will Be !!

[AlabamaMan]

Yes, i took the unfortunate career path as an attorney.....

I consider myself more an attorney by day, rock star by night.....lol

but having dealt with a decent amount of criminal work, i am perhaps exposed to the effects of gun violence than the average person.

The whole argument about 2nd amendment rights is sooooo dated. The right to bear arms was so the small citizenry can organize militias.....not about hunting, not about home protection. Guess what? We dont need organized militias anymore. How many gun owners ARE part of a militia? Exactly.

In Alabama there is a militia

opps, maybe I shoudn't type that:huh:

[boobieman]

Just listen to O&A with Dave from today's show. DAVE is fu** amazing. He is just too much too much. Wonder how long he will live for..I man like that can not have a long life. TOO FUNNY. EAST SIDE DAVE YOU ARE GREAT!!!!!!!!!

SEE YAYAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[underdog]

NICE... I just bought this book!

http://www.randomhouse.com/images/dyn/cover/?source=9780385520690&height=300&maxwidth=170

I just want to say thanks. I had no idea he had a new book out so I went out and bought it. Kaku is the best.

[madcrazy]

Does anyone know where I can download ALL the FULL episodes of the Unmasked hosted by Ron B?

[usoilworker]

Dont fn release criminals back into society and the crime rate would drop. Fn criminals are criminals. kill em lock em up don't let em out. What percentage of released criminals re-offend???

Community rehabilitation order: 62.6%

Drug treatment and testing order: 88.9%

Community punishment order: 38.9%

Community punishment and rehabilitation order: 54.4%

Prison: 67.4%

Seems to me if we kept the criminals in jail we'd have less crime then keepin guns out of the hands of Law abiding citizens... This is from someone who does not own a firearm but believe that if i wanted to get one i should be allowed because i've commited no crimes
:furious:

[PapaBear]

Dont fn release criminals back into society and the crime rate would drop. Fn criminals are criminals. kill em lock em up don't let em out. What percentage of released criminals re-offend???
"Criminals" is a word that is thrown around WAY too lightly. There are too many people thrown in jail or prison for actions that shouldn't really be criminalized (or at least, not be serious crimes), and they end up getting lumped in with truly bad people. If you say, "criminals are criminals. kill em lock em up don't let em out", you are also saying "don't break ANY law, or you will be executed or locked up for life".

[usoilworker]

Im a sane individual (i hope). Do i believe in the death penalty yes. Do i think that every one on death row should die no. There are far to many people in jail for crimes they either didn't comit or commited in areas where they are punished far beyond the means of any rational thinking person. If im driving my car while im drunk and i hit someone and they die or are incapacitated i don't deserve to see the light of day. I took that drink I got behind the wheel and i drove. Its all on me. If i take a gun and kill someone with it because they have something i wanted same situation. If i stab them same . I might be insane then i go to the insane asylum and get help and if i'm better well then im better in jail. We could go over every case one bye one and decide whats right or wrong but that would take forever. And what i think may not be what you think. However Im sure there are individuals that are released for commiting crimes (bad nasty ones) that you say how could they be released. Those are the criminals i was refering too. There are far too many things criminalized that should at best be regulated. Conspiracy to smoke pot is a felony in az or was at some point in time. My Step dad well guess what hes a fellon since he was 18 thats not the crime i was refering to. I'm just tired of seeing our individual freedoms impinged on little bits at a time while the rights of (Horid brutal) are being restored i've not done anything that should preclude me from owning a fire arm so why prevent me from owning one.

[Philly Franko]

Economy is getting real Bad...Food shortages...Wheat Crop Fungus...dollar dropping stocks worthless...losing Jobs...Gas and Oil Rising...but food and Water and guns and protect your Family and good Friends. you will thank me in less than a year. also bad weather/Hurricanes coming again...N.O. will get slammed again and Sunami/tidal wave will hit NYC/East coast...hope the experts are wrong...but past predictions have been 90% accurate. Ronnie need a Bodygaurd? the r & F show needs a Few good Security people. nothing against Kenny and Po...you guys deserve personal protectors for the next year or 2. see coasttocoastamradio.com web site for info on remote Viewers and predictions...Gold will hit $2367 an Ounce...going up in late July August after some minor losses.thank me Later.:surrender::smoke::down:

[usoilworker]

Although i don't see the post man/red dawn situation happening any time soon,That type of thinghas happened elsewhere in the world, and definately means its possible to happen here. There was a big work up for y2k expecting that thats when it would happen. I'm just going to sit here quietly like a sheep and mill around until my government tells me its safe to move. :tongue: