first show where I disagree with Ron on almost all his points

[Searle]

about 100 minutes into thursday's Ron and Fez show and almost totally disagree with every point Ron has made.

Almost every point he knocks down Michio Kaku ,to me, seems wrong. They already transported light a small distance, seems to me scientists will just keep making it more efficient for more complex matter like human tissue in the future.

Arent there billion dollar particle accelerators all over this worlds investigating dark matter, the atom etc and the attempt to capture this energy. Why wouldnt they find a way to travel back in time. Many scientists believe it just a matter of generating alot of energy to achieve time travel. Mike the Teacher's ,Wired magazine reader, had an article in 2007 that time is just perceived to be linear by humans when events occur one after each other and we associate with our state of mind at the time. Doesnt mean actual time is goes in only one direction.

He asks to backup how gun crime would be decreased if guns are disallowed. well, of course we dont have data on this, why not try it, let's see a procedure where guns are harder to acquire. Getting them for opening back accounts or going to ,what seems, like millions of gun raffles sure makes it easier for criminals. I dont like him saying this is the way it is without even knowing what will happen with guns disallowed. Mike the teacher believes in uncertainity, well change the gun situation and see what happens.

Then Ron seems to think Dave is saying all violence will end with gun banning. I'd rather criminals trying to make bombs, most them will blow themselves up in the process. These arent road scholars, getting a gun and shooting someone doesnt take much thought.

The "well, Canada has guns and doesnt have the gun crime like the USA" argument:

"Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes. Many types of weapons are banned or restricted in Canada. The two biggest provinces, Ontario and Quebec have had a long history of strict gun controls." Just Googled that.

Ron is a smart man but sometimes his co-hosts are on the right track.

[Philly Franko]

agree with ron or off to fezzies Island...just kiddin , love ya Fez...:thumbup:

[underdog]

Ron is a smart man but sometimes his co-hosts are on the right track.

Did you hear Dave trying to argue his points yesterday? You actually want to be on his side?

And again, if you banned guns, criminals would still get them. People don't seem to want to understand this. The only people you'd really be effecting would be responsible gun owners, not criminals. It would actually make it easier for criminals to cause crime.

[Freakshow]

These arent road scholars, getting a gun and shooting someone doesnt take much thought.


Haha. Road scholars.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Haha. Road scholars.

:lol: beat me to the punch


I know a lot of truck drivers that are road scholars

[JPMNICK]

that the point of the show, you are not supposed to agree with Ron all the time. You are not his concubine, you are a person with your own thoughts and opinions. I do not agree with everything he says. I know he has had opinions on the show that have even changed over the years. Or maybe they never changed, but just his stance on the air about it has changed in order to make the show my interesting and have a dynamic with the others who work around him.

the best part is, even if you disagree, he always make a strong argument and is FUNNY as hell about it.

[LaBoob]

Haha. Road scholars.

tee hee. nice catch!


Did you hear Dave trying to argue his points yesterday? You actually want to be on his side?


I love... LOVE hearing Ron tear holes in Dave's arguments. I get a sick pleasure out of it. I literally find myself cheering Ron on. Simply hysterical.

[Golfman]

tee hee. nice catch!



I love... LOVE hearing Ron tear holes in Dave's arguments. I get a sick pleasure out of it. I literally find myself cheering Ron on. Simply hysterical.

I completely agree, even though Dave's arguments are like fingernails on the chalkboard, I still like hearing them so Ronnie can rip him a new one about it. Classic!

[Golfman]

I completely agree, even though Dave's arguments are like fingernails on the chalkboard, I still like hearing them so Ronnie can rip him a new one about it. Classic!

Oh, and I like Michio, he's great for TVand a good watch, but slow down dude, you're on more TV's than Britney Spears now, and we all know where that went.

[DolaMight]

Can someone lock this thread before all this disagreeing with Ron spreads. Left unchecked it will rot ronfez.net to the core.

[Zuke]

This was the first thread where I agreed 100% with everything Ron said. Dave and Fez's critical thinking skills are non-existent.

[TooLowBrow]

i think ron is great at arguing either side of an argument, and he seems happiest when his opponent, more than being 'right' just has a really good argument

[Mike Teacher]

i think ron is great at arguing either side of an argument, and he seems happiest when his opponent, more than being 'right' just has a really good argument

Ahhhh someone who is actively listening.

How many times do people say 'he said what?'; I get those when I'm on, and its coz sometimes I'll take the exact opposite side of the issue for the sake of arguement. Any good teacher [like Ron] should be able to not just explain the other sides position, they should be able to argue it. Defend it. Then you really *know* the issue from each side.

[Tallman388]

I think that might be my favorite part of the show. Not to bash Dave, but Ron could convince him that Mussolini was really just misunderstood, just by playing Devil's Advocate. It helps that Dave's knowledge base comes from the Discovery Channel and Fun Facts on Snapple caps.

[drjoek]

Dave had a whole segment not to long ago where he argued about how it was unfair that he couldn't get a gun because he had a criminal record . Now he is staunchly anti-gun for all kinds of safety reasons. I'm calling BS on the redheaded one. He'll take any position as long as it gives him the opportunity to talk on the air.

[Gvac]

The staffers are finally starting to "get it." (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67347)

[Ritalin]

Oh, and I like Michio, he's great for TVand a good watch, but slow down dude, you're on more TV's than Britney Spears now, and we all know where that went.

GOLFMAN! How's the season, budday?

[Death Metal Moe]

i think ron is great at arguing either side of an argument, and he seems happiest when his opponent, more than being 'right' just has a really good argument

Yup, don't need to say anything more really.

[silas]

i think ron is great at arguing either side of an argument, and he seems happiest when his opponent, more than being 'right' just has a really good argument

i agree....i believe he is also doing this for the sake of interesting conversation.

...and kudos to Dave, who (i assume) is often just trying to set up RB KO's, ( tho i wish they were often less silly and didn't break the suspension-of-disbelief radio storyline)

[Team_Ramrod]

The "well, Canada has guns and doesnt have the gun crime like the USA" argument:

"Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes. Many types of weapons are banned or restricted in Canada. The two biggest provinces, Ontario and Quebec have had a long history of strict gun controls."

While there are gun controls in place in Canada it's only the honest people who have registered their firearms. There are a large number of people who carry aroung 'illegal' weapons with them.
Per capita, there is no difference between the amount of guns in the 2 countries... we just settle our differences over a game of scrabble or tic tac toe, there's no reason to become violent over petty stuff. When it's an issue major and needs to be dealt with we either take the individual hunting and have an accident or abduct them and take them to a hutterite colony to be fed to the pigs.

We still have wanksters running around the poorer neighbourhoods in the cities busting caps in the rival gang members.... but that rarely happens.

[boken-a]

I know it's all part of the Dave character, but I really wish Ron would call Dave out more on his lies. He does bust Dave's balls a lot, but I'm surprised how much he lets him get away with.

Like when he said he drank poison one time because he was thirsty.

Or when he said he went to the hospital with a fake illness and the Doctors were going to put him in a medical journal.

Or when kids at his school would fight, they used to throw weapons in cage style.

When Dave tells these lies the pattern in his voice changes. You can tell he's struggling to keep his head above water and isn't smart enough to think ahead of his own mouth. They're just badly told lies, none of it ever happened, and Ron really needs to point that out.

Or maybe that would be a good time for Fez to pipe up and say something. Does Fez still work at 202?

[Gvac]

Ron has had a change of heart recently and has joined the Conservative Party and become an Evangelical Christian.

Get used to it people.

[A.J.]

Ron has had a change of heart recently and has joined the Conservative Party and become an Evangelical Christian.

Get used to it people.

Was that the result of the influence of Shirley Phelps-Roper: Spiritual Advisor to The Ron and Fez Show?

[Gvac]

Could be, A.J. You know his weakness for hot chicks.

Come to think of it, Ronnie would make a great Pentecostal preacher. I could see it now..."This Sunday - 'Bibles and Guns' Bennington!"

He'd make millions.

[ChimneyFish]

i think ron is great at arguing either side of an argument, and he seems happiest when his opponent, more than being 'right' just has a really good argument

Ahhhh someone who is actively listening.

How many times do people say 'he said what?'; I get those when I'm on, and its coz sometimes I'll take the exact opposite side of the issue for the sake of arguement. Any good teacher [like Ron] should be able to not just explain the other sides position, they should be able to argue it. Defend it. Then you really *know* the issue from each side.

That is truley the beauty of Ronnie.
He plays the part of devil's advocate to perfection, just try to get into an interesting conversation.
There have been times where you can tell that he believes the exact oppisite of the side he is arguing, he just wants somebody to try to argue their point with some intelligence.
Usually he'll just have the person agree with him at some point, though.

[A.J.]

That is truley the beauty of Ronnie. He plays the part of devil's advocate to perfection, just try to get into an interesting conversation..

That's why whenever I meet him, I have some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste.

[ChimneyFish]

That's why whenever I meet him, I have some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste.

What was your first guess????

[drjoek]

As Ronnie B has become more philosophical lately I feel sorry for him that he is surrounded by the likes of Earl who has no opinions and very little communication skills, Dave the village idiot who justs babbles to get air time and Fez who is really struggling to get out of his shell and is really not intereseted in deep thinking debates. Ron seems to be trying to find someone to engage his wit and intellect and it is sorely lacking with that bunch. Lily at least can at least hold a decent conversation, but the rest struggle. I find it unfortunate that a guy as smart and thoughtful is agreeing with the red headed mongoloid on so many things. There is something wrong there.

[Dr Steve]

ok, I missed this conversation, but I almost got my PhD in Physics instead of going to medical school so I'll answer the few physics questions that are posed here...

about 100 minutes into thursday's Ron and Fez show and almost totally disagree with every point Ron has made.

Almost every point he knocks down Michio Kaku ,to me, seems wrong. They already transported light a small distance, seems to me scientists will just keep making it more efficient for more complex matter like human tissue in the future.

Ok, I'm assuming there was a discussion of teleportation? (probably I should just keep quiet and keep my head down, since I'm entering a discussion I don't share the context for, but although electrons can "tunnel", this is a function of the quantum wave nature of matter...the electron in a box can "teleport" out, because its wave function leaves a tiny probability that the electron will be found outside the box. One second it's inside, the next, it's outside, without ever passing through the wall or anything.

The problem with this for "more complex matter" is that the wavelength of matter decreases linearly with the size of the particle. This means your "wavelength" is vanishingly small compared to your size, which means try as you might, you can't just "tunnel" through that prison wall like an electron.

Teleportation will require a wormhole (shored up with degenerate matter and negative energy, whatever the hell that is), or some perfect system of determining the exact state of every particle in your body and "beaming" that information to a quantum "milling machine" that will rebuild you from scratch. the problem with that is good old "HEISENBERG's Uncertainty Principle"...it's a property of the universe that exact states of systems cannot be determined under any circumstances. It's not a failure of our existing equipment...it's logically impossible to ever be able to build such equipment.

for a really fun treatise on Teleportation, check out Larry Niven's essays, or Alfred Bester's "THE STARS MY DESTINATION"



Arent there billion dollar particle accelerators all over this worlds investigating dark matter, the atom etc and the attempt to capture this energy. Why wouldnt they find a way to travel back in time.


Whoa there, nelly! (my mom used to say that all the time, sorry!) You CAN go back in time, if you have a wormhole with one end twiring at the speed of light or nearly there. Time will be so dilated at that end, that you can enter and go back in time, but to no farther than the date of the creation of the machine.

You can travel FORWARD in time, very easily...just get on a fast moving spaceship, traveling some significant fraction of the speed of light. due to time dilation, you WILL travel forward in time. Problem is if you get there and you don't like it (Dave's descendants rule the world, etc) you can't go back.

I so desire a time machine...just something that will let us look back in time so we can settle a few arguments about this and that. Check out Orson Scott Card's "PASTWATCH" for my favorite grown-up time travel book.


Many scientists believe it just a matter of generating alot of energy to achieve time travel. Mike the Teacher's ,Wired magazine reader, had an article in 2007 that time is just perceived to be linear by humans when events occur one after each other and we associate with our state of mind at the time. Doesnt mean actual time is goes in only one direction.


There is not such thing as simultaneity in a relativistic world...that may be what he was talking about. I have great respect for MtT. And in the quantum world, there is no "preferred" direction of the arrow of time on the smallest scale. Electrons are just positrons moving backward in time, and vice versa. Problem is, that doesn't help us to travel back in time ourselves.

Hope this helps!


your pal,


steve

[TjM]

i agree....i believe he is also doing this for the sake of interesting conversation.

...and kudos to Dave, who (i assume) is often just trying to set up RB KO's, ( tho i wish they were often less silly and didn't break the suspension-of-disbelief radio storyline)

I don't think Dave is trying to set him up.