A little too much?

[ryno1974]

Maybe I am too sensitive, but it seems to me that lately the bits about getting an abortion are getting to me. I don't want to get into a pro life vs pro choice thing (for the record I am still undecided) but I cant laugh at these bits. Maybe its a result of having my own kids, maybe its because I have lost a child, but joking about abortion/stillbirth just makes me squirm. I know everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, especially on XM. One of the reasons I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?

[TeeBone]

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?


Well maybe not LUCY, but I know what you mean.

[PapaBear]

I can't think of any offhand, but pretty much everyone has SOMETHING that they don't like to hear. That's why pretty much nothing should ever be considered too taboo. Eventually, there would be nothing left to joke about.

Sorry about your kid, though.

[Marc with a c]

i can't listen to shirley phelps roper.

[PapaBear]

Just thought of one. I haven't had to worry about it lately, but I have trouble listening to Sextravaganza. For one thing, I always listen in my car with the window partially down. I don't want other people in traffic to hear it. And to be honest, almost every clip he plays grosses me out beyond belief. It's no big deal, though. I just turn the radio way down for a few minutes.

[ryno1974]

Just thought of one. I haven't had to worry about it lately, but I have trouble listening to Sextravaganza. For one thing, I always listen in my car with the window partially down. I don't want other people in traffic to hear it. And to be honest, almost every clip he plays grosses me out beyond belief. It's no big deal, though. I just turn the radio way down for a few minutes.

Interesting. Your cringe bit is my favourite bit. Must say something about us I guess........

[jonyrotn]

Homeless men savagely raping Condoleezza Rice, etc...

[IMSlacker]

I can't listen when Dave interviews Fez.

[MikeB]

i can't listen to shirley phelps roper.

People only complain when it hits close to home.

[jauble]

People only complain when it hits close to home.

quite funny

[CofyCrakCocaine]

If it hits close to home those people have a right to complain about something and they're legit and shouldn't be waved off if that's how they cope that's how they cope. I'm sick of seeing victims getting bullied and judged by assholes who have nothing better to do one night than to attack the weak.

That bullshit logic that O&A spew which sounds (exaggerated version perhaps but this is the gist of it) "oh you got raped? your kid got cancer? well fuck you cunt, these topics hit close to home so your opinions are illegitimate because they're biased against men and alternative cancer treatments wah wah wah" is the kind of stuff that makes me turn off the radio. It's insanity, and not a good kind.

Nothing like listening to a bunch of millionaires whine in bitterness while they hammer that stupid point into the ground.

*Btw
I also turn off the radio when Shirley Roper comes on. She don't hit close to home for me, I have no one i know in the service or who have died, and so on. Her overall bigotry, which I never experienced first-hand, doesn't even come close to me. I just hate her. Fuck her. I'm sure people like her anyway, and find her funny. Good for you. Fuck her again.
The end.

[TjM]

I tune out when O&A make fun of cancer. Seeing your mom fight it for 7 years and dying because it it tends to take the humor out of it

[Gvac]

This is exactly the reason I'm so anti-censorship. Everyone has something they find offensive, myself included, and you can't prohibit everything that ruffles someone's feathers because it differs from person to person.

I cringe plenty of times when I hear O&A (and sometimes even Ron and Fez) make light of a subject that's particularly painful to me, and I tune out for awhile.

And I find the maniacal ramblings of Shirley Phelps-Roper to be hilarious, but I can see why some people just can't stomach her.

[realmenhatelife]

I wouldn't listen to the really bad Gail-o freak outs or the perrynoid Gail-o song cus it would bum me out too bad.

[Heather 8]

Joining in on the Shirley Phelps Roper cringe-finding. She reminds me of several people in my own family.

[Tall_James]

Anything that deals with the abuse of children will make me turn the channel.

And on a different note, I turn the channel anytime they have a female guest on whose only reason to be there is because she is "hot" (i.e. Penthouse pets, sex experts). To me that covers the rare creepy/boring combo.

[blacknoi]

I only tune out really when there's a guest in studio that I have no interest in.

I have actually begun to appreciate Ron's view of Shirley Phelps Roper and listen to her crazy rants.

[RAAMONE]

i had to punch out during the Big A tounge scraping...thats about it

[IamFogHat]

Maybe I am too sensitive, but it seems to me that lately the bits about getting an abortion are getting to me. I don't want to get into a pro life vs pro choice thing (for the record I am still undecided) but I cant laugh at these bits. Maybe its a result of having my own kids, maybe its because I have lost a child, but joking about abortion/stillbirth just makes me squirm. I know everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, especially on XM. One of the reasons I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?

No one's asking you to laugh at every joke of every show. If you can't handle the potential subject matter stop listening. There's no such thing as "a little too much" in comedy.

[BlackKen]

I don't see wy people get so bent when someone says 'Man I didn't like that bit" or " Thats too much for me' This cat wasn't trying to start trouble, they didn't call XM. Simply just trying to see if anyone else had the same view. I don't see how someone can just snap and say 'well then stop listening". You don't like that person's post. Well then stop posting here. I know that one will get flipped on me now, but thats why I dig the show. Everyone has their own comedic nitch but in the end everyone tends to be cool with each other.

[Furtherman]

I tune out whenever they talk about a movie I haven't seen.

Everything else is fine and funny.

[RAAMONE]

I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

really? crying, gay love, black dildos, footjobs, shit eating...i think you mean ron is more sane...not the show

[RAAMONE]

I don't see wy people get so bent when someone says 'Man I didn't like that bit" or " Thats too much for me' This cat wasn't trying to start trouble, they didn't call XM. Simply just trying to see if anyone else had the same view. I don't see how someone can just snap and say 'well then stop listening". You don't like that person's post. Well then stop posting here. I know that one will get flipped on me now, but thats why I dig the show. Everyone has their own comedic nitch but in the end everyone tends to be cool with each other.

i dont see wy people get so bent out of shape when someone says "man i didnt like his post" "you should stop posting here"

if you didnt realize...you're doing the same thing, "snapping" and telling someone to stop posting here because they didnt like what someone said

douche bag

[LaBoob]

i had to punch out during the Big A tounge scraping...thats about it

same here... even when they were just talking about it for the past 2 or so weeks I felt like I was going to faint... which made me realize my constitution was stronger than I'd thought since it took years for something to really get to me...Occasionally I just get tired of whatever the bit is and tune out for boredom's sake, not necessarily because I'm offended.

I like seeing everyone's got something that makes them tune out for a few minutes and come back... it's exactly the way these things should be handled...instead of flipping out, alerting the media, and boycotting advertisers.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground here... it's just nice to see it in action.

[Tears]

abortions kick ass. All the fucking you want and none of the hassle.

[BlackKen]

i dont see wy people get so bent out of shape when someone says "man i didnt like his post" "you should stop posting here"

if you didnt realize...you're doing the same thing, "snapping" and telling someone to stop posting here because they didnt like what someone said

douche bag

Either you didn't read my entire post or you are just a simpleton, I noted that I would catch shit for saying that about negative posting and not posting.

So in fact you are the one who looks like a douche bag Mr. I use a played O&A bit for a name

[TjM]

I don't see wy people get so bent when someone says 'Man I didn't like that bit" or " Thats too much for me' This cat wasn't trying to start trouble, they didn't call XM. Simply just trying to see if anyone else had the same view. I don't see how someone can just snap and say 'well then stop listening". You don't like that person's post. Well then stop posting here. I know that one will get flipped on me now, but thats why I dig the show. Everyone has their own comedic nitch but in the end everyone tends to be cool with each other.

x2

[RAAMONE]

Either you didn't read my entire post or you are just a simpleton, I noted that I would catch shit for saying that about negative posting and not posting.

So in fact you are the one who looks like a douche bag Mr. I use a played O&A bit for a name

i didnt know i couldnt respond to you because you noted that you would "catch shit"...but i'll stop posting here now...too much negative talk...

i just cant handle someone making fun of my board name...i mean maybe if someone would be creative and think of a good comeback i could stay...but making fun of my board name is just taking it way too far

[Brad_Rush]

Pee in the butt was too much for me to listen to.

Also Dave's shit accident on O&A the other day.

Usually if I am cringing, Dave is involved in some way.

[Piuki]

People only complain when it hits close to home.

It's true. I would never have said anything if not for this thread...but my daughter has Down syndrome and the flagrant use of "retard" makes me literally flinch. I'm working on it though, because the buddays are awesome all the rest of the time.

[TjM]

Don't get me wrong I'm not writing letters/protesting or saying they shouldn't have the right to say it and I still listen to the show. I'm just saying that I see nothing humorous in a terminal disease.

[tonypop]

The time I can remember really cringing for something on O&A was when they did a news story of a prostitute who was getting banged in a car while her kids were in the back seat and her doing lines off her baby's stomach. I figured O&A would make fun of it because that's what they do but the story itself is what disturbed me.

Someone else said it in a post before me and I have to agree that anything that has to do with child abuse really gets to me. Whenever I hear something along those lines I can't help but imagine my kids in that situation and it makes me a little sick.

[IamFogHat]

Don't get me wrong I'm not writing letters/protesting or saying they shouldn't have the right to say it and I still listen to the show. I'm just saying that I see nothing humorous in a terminal disease.

Abortion's not a disease you silly goose.

[TjM]

Abortion's not a disease you silly goose.

:lol:

[BlackKen]

i didnt know i couldnt respond to you because you noted that you would "catch shit"...but i'll stop posting here now...too much negative talk...

i just cant handle someone making fun of my board name...i mean maybe if someone would be creative and think of a good comeback i could stay...but making fun of my board name is just taking it way too far

I may nt be creative, but at least I don't sit around on my ass all day looking to pick on people and shock post.

[angrymissy]

i didnt know i couldnt respond to you because you noted that you would "catch shit"...but i'll stop posting here now...too much negative talk...

i just cant handle someone making fun of my board name...i mean maybe if someone would be creative and think of a good comeback i could stay...but making fun of my board name is just taking it way too far

Ron on the Ramone calls:
"Unless you're Jim Norton, don't do that joke anymore."

[RAAMONE]

I may nt be creative, but at least I don't sit around on my ass all day looking to pick on people and shock post.

i'm at work...they have this thing in my office called a computer...you can actually get your work done and keep a webpage open at the same time...wierd

[Bossanova]

Ron on the Ramone calls:
"Unless you're Jim Norton, don't do that joke anymore."

I wish he wouldn't even do it anymore

[underdog]

If it hits close to home those people have a right to complain about something and they're legit and shouldn't be waved off if that's how they cope that's how they cope. I'm sick of seeing victims getting bullied and judged by assholes who have nothing better to do one night than to attack the weak.

The problem is every type of humor hits too close to home to someone. You shouldn't complain about humor, just change the channel and come back later. Because something bothers you doesn't mean you get to judge what I find humorous.

I also turn off the radio when Shirley Roper comes on. She don't hit close to home for me, I have no one i know in the service or who have died, and so on. Her overall bigotry, which I never experienced first-hand, doesn't even come close to me. I just hate her. Fuck her. I'm sure people like her anyway, and find her funny. Good for you. Fuck her again.

I think you're missing the point in the Roper calls. Its not that people find her funny or like her, its Ron's interaction with her that is funny.

[Epschtein]

all comedic bits should not offend anyone and only be done once.

furthermore, nobody should ever reference anything to do with a radio show when making a user name.

and lastly, anyone that posts here obviously has no life or job and most likely is no less than 51% gay.

now if you'll excuse me, i have several strongly worded emails to write and numerous objects to try to cram up my ass.

[ChimneyFish]

I tune out when O&A make fun of cancer. Seeing your mom fight it for 7 years and dying because it it tends to take the humor out of it

Strange. I'm the exact opposite
I had my grandmother be tortured by it for years and my mother die in the space of 4 months from the time she got diagnosed, but I can still find humor in it.
It's almost like I have to find humor in it, or else the thought of it will swallow me up.

On the other hand, I can completely see your viewpoint of the situation.

[conman823]

Abortion's not a disease you silly goose.

Your right, its a gift from God.

[conman823]

The problem is every type of humor hits too close to home to someone. You shouldn't complain about humor, just change the channel and come back later. Because something bothers you doesn't mean you get to judge what I find humorous.

HELLO EXACTLY!

[ryno1974]

Glad to see most of you got the intent of my post. I was NOT suggesting censorship of any kind, nor complaining about the bits. The question was, am I alone, or do others have that "too much" button that gets pushed from time to time.

Thanks to those of you that participated in a decent conversation. The rest of you, get back to O&A - they are probably in the middle of a hilarious cancer bit or something right about now.

[FUNKMAN]

when I first joined this site I made a stink about a mod's sig and one of fezzie's bits. they both made fun of child molestation. at the time it bugged the shit out of me but after some communication with a few of the other mods i understood it was just an area of comedy that has it's audience, like pretty much any other subject on this earth...

[conman823]

they are probably in the middle of a hilarious cancer bit or something right about now.

Nah they haven't been that entertaining in a while.

[conman823]

As a serious response:

I personally have a "high tolerance" for a good joke or bit about ANY topic. I feel you gotta find the humor in everything at some point or else you end up jumping off a bridge somewhere. I have cringed at stuff and shook my head any said "Why would they go there", but at the end of the day it was all with the intent to be funny or poke fun. If I thought something was done in a vicious non-entertaining way I would be angry.

Example: A quick 10 minute bit about "waterheads" with all the usual "jokes" based on sterotypes given to the Disabled community = All in good fun

Listening to a 10 min bit about how "waterheads should be burned and killed" = Cruel.

Either way they have the RIGHT TO SAY IT, I have the RIGHT TO CHANGE THE CHANNEL.

[nukinfuts]

Maybe I am too sensitive, but it seems to me that lately the bits about getting an abortion are getting to me. I don't want to get into a pro life vs pro choice thing (for the record I am still undecided) but I cant laugh at these bits. Maybe its a result of having my own kids, maybe its because I have lost a child, but joking about abortion/stillbirth just makes me squirm. I know everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, especially on XM. One of the reasons I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?

Ummm..maybe I am shallow but the tongue scraping made me actually throw up a little and I had to change channels...but you can always change channels...it's not like you have to listen if there are comments that upset you or hit home somehow. I used to want to not listen to the Shirley Phelps Roper calls on R&F but it's so funny that it seems as if she has no idea that Ron is really screwing with her.

[Zuke]

I tune out when O&A make fun of cancer. Seeing your mom fight it for 7 years and dying because it it tends to take the humor out of it

I've had 100% of my deceased relatives on my Mother's side die of cancer. I still laugh at it, even though I'm likely to become a puddin' head.

[Zuke]

when I first joined this site I made a stink about a mod's sig and one of fezzie's bits. they both made fun of child molestation. at the time it bugged the shit out of me but after some communication with a few of the other mods i understood it was just an area of comedy that has it's audience, like pretty much any other subject on this earth...

I agree. I can't take humor about child molestation. Unless the kids have cancer.

[Zuke]

I may nt be creative, but at least I don't sit around on my ass all day looking to pick on people and shock post.

Then you're really not applying yourself, are you?

[PanterA]

I tend to pull the head phones down when I hear people gagging and or puking on air because it makes me gag and or puke. I never thought to complain or even post about how i dont listen to those segments. People have to think about what rights we are willing to give away. It's said over and over on both shows but nobody seems to get it. We cant demand things not to be said, done, or made fun of because we dont like them. Freedom of speech is what makes America. I really hate to be cliche but, change the channel. Go listen to a song or 2 on 1 of the several xm channels, then come back later, or not at all.

[PapaBear]

Did you look behind the couch?

[underdog]

Thanks to those of you that participated in a decent conversation. The rest of you, get back to O&A - they are probably in the middle of a hilarious cancer bit or something right about now.

You know, for "hating" O&A, you sure mention them a lot in your posts.

[scottinnj]

Usually if I am cringing, Dave is involved in some way.

Please make that a mod quote someone.

[scottinnj]

I tune out when O&A make fun of cancer. Seeing your mom fight it for 7 years and dying because it it tends to take the humor out of it

First off, I'm sorry to hear that about your mom. I deal with cancer patients all the time, and I know what you mean about fighting a losing battle.

But when I went to Pennsville to pick up a chemo pump from a mom who just lost her 3 year old to leukemia, I was devastated. O and A went on and on about someone who died from cancer the whole ride home, and I laughed hysterically, which was weird because all I wanted to do was cry and curse God.

But that's not to say that you should be laughing too. I don't know if I'd be laughing if it were one of my kids. I just felt like the kid was one of my own, and I took his death real hard, and cancer jokes brought me out of a bad way.

[scottinnj]

Nah they haven't been that entertaining in a while.

I don't know, Jimmy's been on fire. Yesterday he destroyed Bob Kelly, and today going toe-to-toe with Jesse Ventura, this week so far has been AWESOME!!

[underdog]

I don't know, Jimmy's been on fire. Yesterday he destroyed Bob Kelly, and today going toe-to-toe with Jesse Ventura, this week so far has been AWESOME!!

Seriously. Ever since Ant broke up with his girl, the show has been on a crazy upswing.

[PanterA]

Seriously. Ever since Ant broke up with his girl, the show has been on a crazy upswing.Im sure one doesnt have anything to do with the other. They are a talented radio show.

[GvacMobile]

I've been digging O&A lately for the first time in quite some time.

One thing I've noticed is that they're a lot less adversarial with their callers and fans these days.

[danner1515]

Ron & Fez have never offended me to the point of wanting to turn my radio off. The closest they've come is, like a few others have said, when they have Shirley Phelps Roper on. I'm not offended; it just pisses me off. I know Ron has her on to make her sound like a lunatic, but putting her on the air--for ridicule or not--just gives her the attention that she wants.

Now, I think I did have to finally change the channel during O&A's bit about Tammy Faye. That bit went a little far for my taste.

[Tears]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

[mikeyboy]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

There's no reason to be an asshole.

[underdog]

Im sure one doesnt have anything to do with the other. They are a talented radio show.

You don't think if one of the on air people are having problems at home that it might effect them on air? It's a natural thing.

[Tears]

There's no reason to be an asshole.

yes, actually there is.

[mikeyboy]

yes, actually there is.

Why exactly? You're being a douche.

[angrymissy]

The ban hamster grows restless.

[MikeB]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

rrraaaaamooonnneee

[Snacks]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

i agree with this 99% (i woud have said nobody cares rather then fuck) my family has had a lot of sickness but who hasnt? if comediens or talk show personalitie were sensored then they would be sensored for everything because someone can relate or will be offended by something.

[mikeyboy]

i agree with this 99% (i woud have said nobody cares rather then fuck) my family has had a lot of sickness but who hasnt? if comediens or talk show personalitie were sensored then they would be sensored for everything because someone can relate or will be offended by something.

Nobody has said a single word about censoring. This has been a discussion of which topics on either show have hit too close to home for people. That is all.

[Bossanova]

I still honestly believe ryno was just wondering if he was the only one. Why is everyone pissed at this thread? Noone is complaining, just saying what they don't agree with. Everyone take it down a notch, or take a fucking hit.

[Knowledged_one]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

Just like nobody gives a fuck about your opinion, your shock posts arent funny

[Brad_Rush]

nobody gives a fuck about how close a joke hits to home with you. If you have family that has died or suffered from cancer, that sucks, but to think that Ron would really mean any of the shit he says means you are probably just as retarded as your downs kid.

You're an asshole

[Bossanova]

Even is avatar is an asshole

[yojimbo7248]

Ron is the funniest, smartest person on the air. I loved how he skewered the pro-life guy at 1:15PM. He is absolutely right that no one really believes that abortion really is murder, including the pro-life people. I love how Ron is funny but so intelligent.

[Knowledged_one]

Ron is the funniest, smartest person on the air. I loved how he skewered the pro-life guy at 1:15PM. He is absolutely right that no one really believes that abortion really is murder, including the pro-life people. I love how Ron is funny but so intelligent.

Good lord man what flavor Kool-Aid are you sippin from his d

[mikeyboy]

Good lord man what flavor Kool-Aid are you sippin from his d

You're not even listening to the show. Why are you jumping down his throat?

[WhistlePig]

I don't like when they talk about animal torture/killing and people call in with their sick stories. I always turn the channel when that subject comes up.

[Knowledged_one]

You're not even listening to the show. Why are you jumping down his throat?

Its not about the subject more about the smartest, funniest guy on the radio stuff

I take some umbrage with the Ron is perfect, Ron is god, Ron can do no wrong threads/posts

Ron is a man, not some kind of god

Sorry, I will keep these feelings to myself now

[Furtherman]

Ron is a man, not some kind of god



True.

But he's right about the pro-life people. If you're anti-abortion because you think it is murder and do nothing about it (and voting for the anti-abortion candidate is the same as doing nothing), you're just like someone who feels it's a woman's choice, and leaves it at that. No difference between the two.

[Knowledged_one]

Again it wasnt the topic i was talking about it was the deification of Ron

[Furtherman]

Again it wasnt the topic i was talking about it was the deification of Ron

You better hope he doesn't smite thee!

[Snacks]

all the pro life people are the same people who dont want to be taxed and want to keep all their money. whenever someone says they are pro life to me i tell them who would pay for all these kids? most abortions are because they are kids or cant afford a child. if abortion was illegal we would have close to 100 million more people here. abortion is a women choice. if you are pro life dont get an abortion but dont prevent someone else from having the option.

[yojimbo7248]

Ha, yeah, I didn't mean Ron should be canonized or anything. I am a fairly new listener and even newer to this message board. It was just extremely refreshing to hear a new approach to the abortion debate. Granted, I went a little too far with by saying Ron is the greatest person on the air.

[Knowledged_one]

Ha, yeah, I didn't mean Ron should be canonized or anything. I am a fairly new listener and even newer to this message board. It was just extremely refreshing to hear a new approach to the abortion debate. Granted, I went a little too far with by saying Ron is the greatest person on the air.

Still friends?

[yojimbo7248]

Of course. Besides Fez is the one who really deserves to be deified...

[nukinfuts]

True.

But he's right about the pro-life people. If you're anti-abortion because you think it is murder and do nothing about it (and voting for the anti-abortion candidate is the same as doing nothing), you're just like someone who feels it's a woman's choice, and leaves it at that. No difference between the two.

He was doing something...the pro-life guy was praying..ha ha ha :wacko:

[Marc with a c]

He was doing something...the pro-life guy was praying..ha ha ha :wacko:

a little weird, but did anybody else pick up on the "and it does no good to just pray" lyric from the eddie vedder song?

[Gvac]

a little weird, but did anybody else pick up on the "and it does no good to just pray" lyric from the eddie vedder song?

Eddie Vedder blows.

[Marc with a c]

i do not agree

[Gvac]

i do not agree

Then you're stupid.

[Marc with a c]

Then you're stupid.

if you want to hear about somebody that is stupid i'll tell you about him.

[Gvac]

if you want to hear about somebody that is stupid i'll tell you about him.

Is it Eddie Vedder?

[Marc with a c]

Is it Eddie Vedder?

are you eddie vedder?

[Gvac]

are you eddie vedder?

I don't think I like what you're saying, evedder.

[Marc with a c]

I don't think I like what you're saying, evedder.

god i'm terrible. what was i thinking?

[Gvac]

god i'm terrible. what was i thinking?

You were thinking how much you love me and miss me.

[Marc with a c]

You were thinking how much you love me and miss me.

i don't love you, i just love your doggystyle

[sailor]

if you are pro life dont get an abortion but dont prevent someone else from having the option.

so, if you're against mugging, just don't mug someone, but it's ok if other people do it?

[Gvac]

i don't love you, i just love your doggystyle

http://www.thehiphopworld.com/image-files/snoop-doggy-dogg-doggystyle.jpg

[conman823]

so, if you're against mugging, just don't mug someone, but it's ok if other people do it?

You can't control what other people do, just yourself.

[sailor]

You can't control what other people do, just yourself.

all (almost all?) laws control what others can do.

[PapaBear]

all (almost all?) laws control what others can do.
Actually, the laws just control the consequences of what people do.

[sailor]

Actually, the laws just control the consequences of what people do.

as a means to control their actions, which is the ultimate aim.

[conman823]

all (almost all?) laws control what others can do.

So theres a cop around all the time? You used mugging as an example. You can't be mugged by somebody because the law says its illegal? Does everyone know this, because the whole "crime" thing might just vanish.

[sailor]

So theres a cop around all the time? You used mugging as an example. You can't be mugged by somebody because the law says its illegal? Does everyone know this, because the whole "crime" thing might just vanish.

obviously not, on both counts, and it also wasn't my original point.

[conman823]

if you are pro life dont get an abortion but dont prevent someone else from having the option.

so, if you're against mugging, just don't mug someone, but it's ok if other people do it?

obviously not, on both counts, and it also wasn't my original point.

Your right your point was to make a law telling someone what they can do or not do with there own body. You used an example of laws passed to protect people from harm done to them by others, which is not the same thing.

[sailor]

Your right your point was to make a law telling someone what they can do or not do with there own body. You used an example of laws passed to protect people from harm done to them by others, which is not the same thing.

or, my point was to make a law telling someone they can't kill an innocent third-party. i don't see an abortion as the equivalent of having a mole removed.

[Snacks]

Your right your point was to make a law telling someone what they can do or not do with there own body. You used an example of laws passed to protect people from harm done to them by others, which is not the same thing.

thank you

or, my point was to make a law telling someone they can't kill an innocent third-party. i don't see an abortion as the equivalent of having a mole removed.

thats funny.:clap::wallbash: but it is close to the equivalent, its not a life its a gob of goo.

if you dont want abortion you should adopt every unwanted child and pay more taxes to support all the kids that have no parents or home of their own

[mikeyboy]

thank you



thats funny.:clap::wallbash: but it is close to the equivalent, its not a life its a gob of goo.


I'm pro-choice, but isn't this really what it comes down to -- whether it is a life, and opinions obviously differ. It's not exactly game/set/match to dismiss an unborn fetus as "a gob of goo".

[ryno1974]

so, if you're against mugging, just don't mug someone, but it's ok if other people do it?

Interesting thinking. makes you wonder where that line is between living life your way and molding society to live under a common principle.

Before you all shit on me, I am NOT saying he is right or wrong - just an interesting thought.

I have my beliefs, I don't expect others to embrace them because I say so.

And one last time, for the record, I did not start this thread to talk about censorship or abortion - I just wanted to know if anyone had an "enough" button. Thats all.

BTW, thanks for the support mikeyboy. I knew you would get the bit.

[ryno1974]

thank you



thats funny.:clap::wallbash: but it is close to the equivalent, its not a life its a gob of goo.

if you dont want abortion you should adopt every unwanted child and pay more taxes to support all the kids that have no parents or home of their own

Oh fuck it - Gob of goo??? It's that kind of glib, off the cuff shit that makes the hard core pro choice guys look like knobs.

I mole or a "gob of goo" does not have the ability to develop into a human - a fetus does.

Simple science, not opinion or personal feeling.

Healthy debate using facts and respecting each other = GOOD
Name calling and tossing shock comments around = BAD

[Leticia]

I didn't read the whole thread...

But I make jokes about abortion alll the tiiiiiime. I do, however, usually make sure that I'm not offending the person I talking to.

THat's hard to do on XM tho.
There will always be something that offends someone said on xm.

But I do completely understand how you feel about just being uncomfortable. I'm like that about a lot of things.

I hope that my post wasn't so off topic by this time that it doesn't make sense.

[ryno1974]

Never darlin' - your posts re always good :)

Quick question though - how do you know if your abortion joke is going to offend someone before you tell it? It's not like we (people that would be offended) have a stamp on our foreheads.
Just curious.

[underdog]

hard core pro choice guys look like knobs.

I'm sorry, but any guy that is actually "hard core" pro-choice is a knob, anyway. Guys need to leave the abortion issue up to the women. We should have nothing to do with it.

And while the issue of abortion is going on here, does anyone else get really tired of pro-life people saying that abortion is being used as "birth control"? I've known a lot of girls who have had abortions, and only one ever used it as any sort of birth control. And she DEFINITELY wasn't the type of girl you'd want raising a child. Any woman who would put herself through that physical and emotional pain over and over and over again probably isn't the type that should be raising a child at that time. I have no idea what the statistics are, but I cannot imagine the percentage of women who have had multiple abortions is even in double digits.

[Mike Teacher]

I'm pro-choice, but isn't this really what it comes down to -- whether it is a life, and opinions obviously differ. It's not exactly game/set/match to dismiss an unborn fetus as "a gob of goo".

Not only can a gob of goo [if thats what anyone is referring to any part of the developing life] develop into us, a single cell can and does. We were all once a zygote, a single cell. One. Uno. That becomes the trillion cell thing thats reading this. I can forget all the political bullshit for a minute, and ponder; thats pretty fucking amazing when you think about it. That all the info, all the instructions to make us, and more, is in that single cell; how to make all the chemicals and tissues and organs and organ systems, an insanely long daisy chain of events that have to go off just right or else it all fails, and it all happens such that were being born about five a second on the planet. There's another five.

Another five.

Another five.

Another five...

[ryno1974]

Not only can a gob of goo [if thats what anyone is referring to any part of the developing life] develop into us, a single cell can and does. We were all once a zygote, a single cell. One. Uno. That becomes the trillion cell thing thats reading this. I can forget all the political bullshit for a minute, and ponder; thats pretty fucking amazing when you think about it. That all the info, all the instructions to make us, and more, is in that single cell; how to make all the chemicals and tissues and organs and organ systems, an insanely long daisy chain of events that have to go off just right or else it all fails, and it all happens such that were being born about five a second on the planet. There's another five.

Another five.

Another five.

Another five...

Good post Mike. I love discussing these kind of issues with guys like you - facts, and respectful personal opinions. No bullshit.

And BTW, it fucking boggles my mind to think that a human can develop the way it does time and again.

[Mike Teacher]

Scanning the thread it seems the CJ system is being discussed. I know almost nothing but a cool course when I took it.

For me, the theory is/was that the CJ system was supposed to work because of deterrence; remember, this is the theory, and mine, so probaly wrong, anyway, the idea was that we all agree [see Social Contract] tacitly to obey the laws of the land, if we break them, we get punsihed. Societies throughout history have set it up this way, or maybe human behavior evolves this way, whatever; each society has rules.

Whether any individual or group or sect wants to obey them is another thing entirely. Anyone really has the freedom to do whatever they want, but at some point that may bump up against said social contract and the laws the larger society have agreed to follow.

Or not.

As to the legal system, hows this for insane?

Legal systems should be established by societies to do two things; the establishment of truth and the provision of justice. Again, a theory, but it rings true to me. Ideally; the legal system would be about the establishment of truth, find out what really happened in a dispute, crime, tort, civil, criminal wrong, whatever.

[I can hear the lawyers laughter from here; believe me, I'm with you, I'd expect to be laughed out of any law class and/or courtroom; 'Yeah, these court proceedings are all about finding out what Really happened...']

But if we can establish truth, perhaps we can provide justice.

Now to sound out a warning, and I steal here:

When legal systems fail to establish truth and/or provide justice, people will seek natural justice in their own way. That is dangerous. That will lead to the death of a society.

Insane, I know.

When ripping this apart; know I'm reading it now and doing same.

[Snacks]

Not only can a gob of goo [if thats what anyone is referring to any part of the developing life] develop into us, a single cell can and does. We were all once a zygote, a single cell. One. Uno. That becomes the trillion cell thing thats reading this. I can forget all the political bullshit for a minute, and ponder; thats pretty fucking amazing when you think about it. That all the info, all the instructions to make us, and more, is in that single cell; how to make all the chemicals and tissues and organs and organ systems, an insanely long daisy chain of events that have to go off just right or else it all fails, and it all happens such that were being born about five a second on the planet. There's another five.

Another five.

Another five.

Another five...

Scanning the thread it seems the CJ system is being discussed. I know almost nothing but a cool course when I took it.

For me, the theory is/was that the CJ system was supposed to work because of deterrence; remember, this is the theory, and mine, so probaly wrong, anyway, the idea was that we all agree [see Social Contract] tacitly to obey the laws of the land, if we break them, we get punsihed. Societies throughout history have set it up this way, or maybe human behavior evolves this way, whatever; each society has rules.

Whether any individual or group or sect wants to obey them is another thing entirely. Anyone really has the freedom to do whatever they want, but at some point that may bump up against said social contract and the laws the larger society have agreed to follow.

Or not.

As to the legal system, hows this for insane?

Legal systems should be established by societies to do two things; the establishment of truth and the provision of justice. Again, a theory, but it rings true to me. Ideally; the legal system would be about the establishment of truth, find out what really happened in a dispute, crime, tort, civil, criminal wrong, whatever.

[I can hear the lawyers laughter from here; believe me, I'm with you, I'd expect to be laughed out of any law class and/or courtroom; 'Yeah, these court proceedings are all about finding out what Really happened...']

But if we can establish truth, perhaps we can provide justice.

Now to sound out a warning, and I steal here:

When legal systems fail to establish truth and/or provide justice, people will seek natural justice in their own way. That is dangerous. And let that be sounded as a warning.

Oops. Too late.

When ripping this apart; know I'm reading it now and doing same.

after reading these 2 posts i have come to the conclusion that you are tooooooo smart. your students are lucky! :thumbup:

[Leticia]

Never darlin' - your posts re always good :)

Quick question though - how do you know if your abortion joke is going to offend someone before you tell it? It's not like we (people that would be offended) have a stamp on our foreheads.
Just curious.

Oh, I only do it around people who I either know very well, or have heard make similar jokes before.

Good question tho. I think I may have gotten lucky before with getting away with making jokes like that around people I didn't know were there, or weren't sure if they would find it funny.

I'll be more careful!

I guess I just got desensitized to those type of things since I hung out with people who joked around about things like that all the time.

And some of them had had abortions, so it's not like it came out of nowhere...


Either way, I will definitely be more careful in the future. :smile:

[conman823]

I guess I just got desensitized to those type of things since I hung out with people who joked around about things like that all the time.

I think this is a key point as well. I think a lot of how a person judges whats funny or "going too far" is based on enviroment. As I said in a previous post I find humor in almost anything if its done in a comedic way. I was RASIED to think almost all of these topics are not funny at all, but growing into my own person I found the humor in them.

Someone who was raised highly religious would most likely find all of these topics horrific to laugh about and find an argument against them based on religion. If they were raised without religion would it change the person they are and how the view certain issues.

Final thought, I think we all have a major common thread to be listening to R&F, O&A, Stern or many others who comment or joke about these topics. That said I would like to see some posts from Soccer Moms who listen to the Z Morning zoo everyday, and whos hot button issue is the cost of sweat shirt.

[Leticia]

I think this is a key point as well. I think a lot of how a person judges whats funny or "going too far" is based on enviroment. As I said in a previous post I find humor in almost anything if its done in a comedic way. I was RASIED to think almost all of these topics are not funny at all, but growing into my own person I found the humor in them.

Someone who was raised highly religious would most likely find all of these topics horrific to laugh about and find an argument against them based on religion. If they were raised without religion would it change the person they are and how the view certain issues.

Final thought, I think we all have a major common thread to be listening to R&F, O&A, Stern or many others who comment or joke about these topics. That said I would like to see some posts from Soccer Moms who listen to the Z Morning zoo everyday, and whos hot button issue is the cost of sweat shirt.

Actually I was raised really really catholic. I went to catholic school for 10 years.

It wasn't till a few years ago that I was around the people I spoke of.

I Understand what you're saying tho.

[SRFSTARVD]

Wow, been a long ass time since I posted...

I can pretty much take any joke out there...even the nasty ones, because i know they are meant as jokes...what gets me is when the show get too serious.

I tune in to laugh and have a good time...life is too damn serious to begin with.

Its the serious politcal debates and social debates.

I know it is their show and they can do what they want, so I just switch to music and check in once in awhile to see if the serious stuff is over.

[ryno1974]

Wow, been a long ass time since I posted...

I can pretty much take any joke out there...even the nasty ones, because i know they are meant as jokes...what gets me is when the show get too serious.

I tune in to laugh and have a good time...life is too damn serious to begin with.

Its the serious politcal debates and social debates.

I know it is their show and they can do what they want, so I just switch to music and check in once in awhile to see if the serious stuff is over.

Bang on buddy! I couldn't agree with you more. As for the serious stuff, that is one of the reasons I like R&F over O&A. O&A have a way of making it feel like a a serious personal kind of attack (case in point Anthony being a racist) while R&F tend to keep it less personal and less mean spirited. It could also help that their bits move quicker and don't linger longer........

[nukinfuts]

thank you



thats funny.:clap::wallbash: but it is close to the equivalent, its not a life its a gob of goo.

if you dont want abortion you should adopt every unwanted child and pay more taxes to support all the kids that have no parents or home of their own

THANK YOU!!! I have 2 children and I still want to run my car into the minivans with the "Abortion Stops a Beating Heart" bumper sticker on it. I know that probably makes me a horrible person but it makes it even worse when I see the men driving around with these ProLife stickers. Wait till his teenage daughter gets pregnant at the age of 16 :ohmy:. That's the beauty of free speech I suppose. Also...I am a Republican and prochoice which may seeeeemm like a contradiction but I will pay for my children and my stuff but I really don't want to pay to support the 12 kids of the woman that just can't seem to figure out where all those babies come from.

[PapaBear]

.I am a Republican and prochoice which may seeeeemm like a contradiction
I remember when that WOULDN'T seem like a contradiction at all. Remember when Republicans used to be against legislating people's personal lives? At least, that's what the concept was supposed to be.

[Mike Teacher]

I'm pro-choice and pro-life and people actually tell me theyre mutually exclusive.

[Philly Franko]

I'm pro-choice and pro-life and people actually tell me theyre mutually exclusive.

Can you be both? ron Paul for president... or Ronnie B.

[PapaBear]

Can you be both?
Of course you can. It means that you wouldn't support having your own baby aborted, and maybe even wish other people wouldn't, but you feel that it should remain other people's choice whether they do it or not.

[nukinfuts]

I remember when that WOULDN'T seem like a contradiction at all. Remember when Republicans used to be against legislating people's personal lives? At least, that's what the concept was supposed to be.

I am starting to agree with the people who think there needs to be a strong Independent candidate, unfortunately they always come off looking nuts. :wacko:

[sailor]

I remember when that WOULDN'T seem like a contradiction at all. Remember when Republicans used to be against legislating people's personal lives? At least, that's what the concept was supposed to be.

again, it comes down to whether you believe the fetus/embryo is a person or not. i would argue it is and you're protecting that life, not simply inconveniencing the mother.

[Epschtein]

regarding the original topic, my "too much" button only gets pressed when it gets gross, i have never been into the whole "who can do the most disgusting thing" schtick.

its been played out for years now and never interested me much to begin with. it doesnt offend me, and they have every right to do it, but i just dont find it entertaining and usually tune out.

unfortunately, as opie mentioned the other day, O&A seem to on a big gross out kick lately and i have been tuning out more and more often. tho they have had some great moments lately when the regulars are in and everyone is ripping on each other.

i cant recall ron and fez ever making me feel like i wanted to change the channel.

[ryno1974]

THANK YOU!!! I have 2 children and I still want to run my car into the minivans with the "Abortion Stops a Beating Heart" bumper sticker on it. I know that probably makes me a horrible person but it makes it even worse when I see the men driving around with these ProLife stickers. Wait till his teenage daughter gets pregnant at the age of 16 :ohmy:. That's the beauty of free speech I suppose. Also...I am a Republican and prochoice which may seeeeemm like a contradiction but I will pay for my children and my stuff but I really don't want to pay to support the 12 kids of the woman that just can't seem to figure out where all those babies come from.

Of course abortion stops a beating heart. Are you fucked? The fact of the matter is,it is a human being from the moment of conception. I'm not saying everyone has to agree that it is wrong to abort (although i think it is) but what I DO want is people to pay attention to fact. The beating heart is stopped no matter how you look at it. Thats fact.

And the 16 year old daughter thing is a bullshit argument. I suppose your opinion is it is best to teach your kids the best way to deal with a mistake they make is to throw it away and only think of themselves? Might explain the fucking shit pile world we live in. Teach them to take fucking responsibility for their actios, not how to run from them.:wallbash:

[PapaBear]

But there's no heart at the moment of conception.

[FUNKMAN]

But there's no heart at the moment of conception.

no, just alot of grunting

[TheMojoPin]

But there's no heart at the moment of conception.

Jeez, man, I tried my best.

[PapaBear]

Jeez, man, I tried my best.
Don't worry, bro. There was still plenty of soul.

[underdog]

Of course abortion stops a beating heart. Are you fucked? The fact of the matter is,it is a human being from the moment of conception. I'm not saying everyone has to agree that it is wrong to abort (although i think it is) but what I DO want is people to pay attention to fact. The beating heart is stopped no matter how you look at it. Thats fact.

Heart beat starts after 3rd week of fetal development. You should try paying attention to "fact".

[Snacks]

Of course abortion stops a beating heart. Are you fucked? The fact of the matter is,it is a human being from the moment of conception. I'm not saying everyone has to agree that it is wrong to abort (although i think it is) but what I DO want is people to pay attention to fact. The beating heart is stopped no matter how you look at it. Thats fact.

And the 16 year old daughter thing is a bullshit argument. I suppose your opinion is it is best to teach your kids the best way to deal with a mistake they make is to throw it away and only think of themselves? Might explain the fucking shit pile world we live in. Teach them to take fucking responsibility for their actios, not how to run from them.:wallbash:

sometimes tacking responsibility is abortion and not ruining someones life and or mulipl lives (once its born its a life, human). like i said before adopt every unwanted possible aborted baby and pay for it as well.

if you are against abortion dont have one or dont let your kids have one. but dont stop me or anyone else who chooses to do so.

[ryno1974]

Heart beat starts after 3rd week of fetal development. You should try paying attention to "fact".

And at what point is the earliest detectable pregnancy? It may not beat until 3 weeks, but you cant tell its there until 3 weeks either. Therefore, abortion stops a heart. It's mechanical, not passionate. It just is the fact.

[Northside Dan]

Maybe I am too sensitive, but it seems to me that lately the bits about getting an abortion are getting to me. I don't want to get into a pro life vs pro choice thing (for the record I am still undecided) but I cant laugh at these bits. Maybe its a result of having my own kids, maybe its because I have lost a child, but joking about abortion/stillbirth just makes me squirm. I know everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, especially on XM. One of the reasons I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?
well my issue is not a squirm because they brought it up but more because of the response it gets is the race issue. as a black dude it is amazing to me how disifranchised the listener base of most talk radio is. I dont mid jokes and stuff as i make the same jokes but there is a point when the discussion gets to the "us getting over it" or "why cant i say the n-word" and then u get everyone from plumber joe to electrician steve calling in from sheepshead bay and southie saying thet they are victims of a PC world gone crazy.

[ryno1974]

well my issue is not a squirm because they brought it up but more because of the response it gets is the race issue. as a black dude it is amazing to me how disifranchised the listener base of most talk radio is. I dont mid jokes and stuff as i make the same jokes but there is a point when the discussion gets to the "us getting over it" or "why cant i say the n-word" and then u get everyone from plumber joe to electrician steve calling in from sheepshead bay and southie saying thet they are victims of a PC world gone crazy.

good point. The racism one is another channel changer for me. I stopped listening to O&A because it is so rampant there. Especially being from Canada the intense racism that appears to be just below the surface in the US astounds me.

[Furtherman]

And at what point is the earliest detectable pregnancy? It may not beat until 3 weeks, but you cant tell its there until 3 weeks either. Therefore, abortion stops a heart. It's mechanical, not passionate. It just is the fact.

You put your "facts" out there because of your beliefs. That skewers the facts.

Abortion has been, as still is, a necessary is many parts of the world.

Pacific Islanders use to place hot rocks on women's bellies once they showed pregnancy because there could only be a certain amount of people on the island. Too many people, not enough food. It was never seen as a sin or forbidden until the catholic missionaries showed up and ruined everything. Populations soared and societies collapsed. Generations later, many of the islands wisely ran or killed the missionaries off.

Now, even in today's modern world you would think every child born has a chance. But they don't. We Are Animals. What is more civilized? Allowing a child to enter the world where they would have no chance or terminating the pregnancy? There are many different factors and elements to each case. Number ONE being the woman. But not one would decree that abortion should be outlawed totally. That's just illogical.

[Northside Dan]

good point. The racism one is another channel changer for me. I stopped listening to O&A because it is so rampant there. Especially being from Canada the intense racism that appears to be just below the surface in the US astounds me.
yea i dont mind funny jokes on sterotypes and what have you it is when it gets to the "why cant we get over it" and "boo hoo thePoor white man cant say a word that they say anyway in private" it makes me groan a bit

[ryno1974]

You put your "facts" out there because of your beliefs. That skewers the facts.

Abortion has been, as still is, a necessary is many parts of the world.

Pacific Islanders use to place hot rocks on women's bellies once they showed pregnancy because there could only be a certain amount of people on the island. Too many people, not enough food. It was never seen as a sin or forbidden until the catholic missionaries showed up and ruined everything. Populations soared and societies collapsed. Generations later, many of the islands wisely ran or killed the missionaries off.

Now, even in today's modern world you would think every child born has a chance. But they don't. We Are Animals. What is more civilized? Allowing a child to enter the world where they would have no chance or terminating the pregnancy? There are many different factors and elements to each case. Number ONE being the woman. But not one would decree that abortion should be outlawed totally. That's just illogical.

Good post. I couldnt agree with you more on the animal thing. People are vile sometimes (jus read the newspaper). And I cant answer that question about what would be better. Might be hy I am kind of on the fence about the whole issue.

[nukinfuts]

Of course abortion stops a beating heart. Are you fucked? The fact of the matter is,it is a human being from the moment of conception. I'm not saying everyone has to agree that it is wrong to abort (although i think it is) but what I DO want is people to pay attention to fact. The beating heart is stopped no matter how you look at it. Thats fact.

And the 16 year old daughter thing is a bullshit argument. I suppose your opinion is it is best to teach your kids the best way to deal with a mistake they make is to throw it away and only think of themselves? Might explain the fucking shit pile world we live in. Teach them to take fucking responsibility for their actios, not how to run from them.:wallbash:

Nope everyone is entitled to their opinion, I WAS that 16 year old girl and my son who is now 17 is a wonderful person that I am happy to have in my life, was it hard to raise him..hell yes it was I have busted my ass on a daily basis through a divorce and I also have a 13 year old daughter. I have not once relied on the government to pay my way aside from the student loans but again I have worked and gone to college and I have a kick ass job, maybe I am the exception to the rule regarding teen pregnancy. Was it a choice for me to have an abortion? Sure it was but again to your point about dealing with a mistake I didn't feel as if the baby who is not a mistake just mistimed should suffer because of it.

On a different note, is it better to force people to have babies? I see a lot of news stories where babies are shaken to death by idiots that just don't understand that isn't how to get them to stop crying or babies that are born and some scared girl throws it in a trash can because she didn't understand how to tell her parents she was pregnant. There are plenty of babies in this country that are aborted AFTER they are born.

I am not taking any of this personally by the way, I like an intelligent arguement :smile:

[ryno1974]

I too like an intelligent argument. However, I have no intelligent argument for your comment on babies aborted after they are born. I agree those people would have made a better decision to abort rather than to do what they did. But I worry about comparing any decision against an absolute worst case. I think that is what you have done here. The vast majority of babies that are aborted would not end up shaken or dumped, so to say aborting is better is a little misleading.

All that being said, humanity continues to disappoint me so profoundly everyday I read the paper I don't even know what to say. The world is full of bad people, and the number looks like its going up everyday.

[Tears]

I too like an intelligent argument. However, I have no intelligent argument for your comment on babies aborted after they are born. I agree those people would have made a better decision to abort rather than to do what they did. But I worry about comparing any decision against an absolute worst case. I think that is what you have done here. The vast majority of babies that are aborted would not end up shaken or dumped, so to say aborting is better is a little misleading.

All that being said, humanity continues to disappoint me so profoundly everyday I read the paper I don't even know what to say. The world is full of bad people, and the number looks like its going up everyday.

of course because bad things and bad people were HARDLY ever around until lately. Give it a rest. People have been treating others like shit since the beginning.

[ryno1974]

of course because bad things and bad people were HARDLY ever around until lately. Give it a rest. People have been treating others like shit since the beginning.

Oh I agree. I didn't say it was a new occurance, just that it is depressing. Relax, nobody attacked you.

And yes, for the record, you are right. People are mean assholes and have been since the beginning of time.

[helterskeletor]

Maybe I am too sensitive, but it seems to me that lately the bits about getting an abortion are getting to me. I don't want to get into a pro life vs pro choice thing (for the record I am still undecided) but I cant laugh at these bits. Maybe its a result of having my own kids, maybe its because I have lost a child, but joking about abortion/stillbirth just makes me squirm. I know everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, especially on XM. One of the reasons I am a R&F fan instead of an O&A fan is because the buddays are usually more sane and not the complete degenerates that the boys are.

Anyone else have the same kind of sore spot for a topic that makes them want to checkout whats on lucy?

I don't have any sore spots. I listen because I like the fact that they don't let anything hold them back. I don't let my personal life have anything to do with other people joking around and having a good time.