Va paying out to rampage victims families

[topless_mike]

linky longer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_settlement)

so let me get this straight... this wacko shoots up the place, and the families of the victims go to sue the state... and the state coughs up the money?

:furious:

am i the only one that doesnt understand this?

[A.J.]

The new motto of America: "EVERYONE is a victim".

[donnie_darko]

i'm against reparations, for parents of slaughtered students and families of emancipated slaves.

[SilentSpic]

nevermind people.

[Yerdaddy]

linky longer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_settlement)

so let me get this straight... this wacko shoots up the place, and the families of the victims go to sue the state... and the state coughs up the money?

:furious:

am i the only one that doesnt understand this?

I read the article and I understand it.

[LaBoob]

This is a terrible precedent to set... Firstly, I don't get the lawsuit... clearly this was one person's fault. Why try to put the blame on anybody else?

Secondly, well I don't have a secondly. It's early.

*yawn*

[Stankfoot]

"Cho killed two people in a dormitory, then killed 30 more than two hours later in a classroom building before taking his own life. University officials have been criticized for waiting about two hours before informing students and employees about the first shootings, which police initially thought were an act of domestic violence.

[Freitag]

Stankfoot gets it. They had more than 2 hours to try and lock stuff down. Don't forget, he had time to go to the post office and send out his manifesto.

I'm sorry, but is a double murder such a common occurrence on college campuses, especially in the light of Columbine, etc?

[Freitag]

I believe - not sure - that they originally thought that the two dead in the dorm was a murder/suicide. Then they found the dead girl's boyfriend and detained him, but he wasn't the guy. But their biggest issue was not alerting the campus and/or putting more officers on the campus.

[Freitag]

The new motto of America: "EVERYONE is a victim".

Uh... yeah, but these were 32 victims of the highest order. Not like they got a coffee burn or something.

And no offense, 11million to a large company like VT really isn't a lot of money. And the money also goes to the survivors.

[LaBoob]

"Cho killed two people in a dormitory, then killed 30 more than two hours later in a classroom building before taking his own life. University officials have been criticized for waiting about two hours before informing students and employees about the first shootings, which police initially thought were an act of domestic violence.

I actually didn't know about this part of the story, and during a conversation with my grandmother today she informed me of it. Please excuse my ignorance :sleep:

[Kris10]

And no offense, 11million to a large company like VT really isn't a lot of money. And the money also goes to the survivors.

I actually need this article for a paper I'm writing for school and I thought the same thing you did Freitag, $11 mil isn't a lot at all for 32 dead and the survivors.

This is going to be long drawn out battle over money... a majority of the families agree to this settlement but you know the families who don't agree will be filing suit before the April 16th deadline. I also think its funny how once you sign for that money your agreeing no one else but the gunman is at fault taking all responsibility off the school and they can't sue the state govt, the school, the local govts who supply mental health services in the area. They're covering all bases here, huh?

Boy the lawyers are really making out here.

[TheMojoPin]

While I understand at times when people flip out over "frivolous lawsuits," this is not one of those times.

[Mike Teacher]

This is a terrible precedent to set... Firstly, I don't get the lawsuit... clearly this was one person's fault. Why try to put the blame on anybody else?

Secondly, well I don't have a secondly. It's early.

*yawn*


When's the secondly ??

I agree with the first completely. Having said that there are lawyers who can argue that the moon is really a giant bran muffin, and have us agreeing, on a stand and under oath. And the rest of the jury.

[Thomas Merton]

Wow, completely agree with Mojo and disagree with you Mike the fellow teacher

[Chigworthy]

So now everytime Police fail to stop a crime, they are to be held financially responsible for it? Does it make sense to take money from a department when the reason that the money is being taken has to do with the department supposedly not functioning properly? If they truly are at fault, then why not force them to take that money and improve and train to avoid future problems? It doesn't matter if it's not a lot of money for a big company, because it sets a precedent that will be applied to companies (and individuals) of all sizes and abused.

It seems like this is an extension of our faulty expectation of avoiding tragedy. Tragedy is a fact of life, and we aren't entitled to a tragedy-free life, no matter how white and priveleged we are. It sucks, but it happens to some people, and there's no amount of litigation that will prevent innocent people from dying horribly. It's the nature of life.

[Mike Teacher]

Wow, completely agree with Mojo and disagree with you Mike the fellow teacher

No problem! Read some articles for cases of utterly guilty people who juries let walk and utterly innocent people who juries have locked away. Where 12 people have agreed, strongly agreed, on someonething that was dead wrong.

There are a few thousand.

[FUNKMAN]

living in America is like living inside a big lottery game, you never know when your number is gonna get called

who is to blame? it's that age old question: " who came first, The Justice System Or The Victim? "

[mikeyboy]

living in America is like living inside a big lottery game, you never know when your number is gonna get called

who is to blame? it's that age old question: " who came first, The Justice System Or The Victim? "

Dunno if I'd call this winning the lottery. I'll bet all of these families would choose having their children alive over this payout.

[Jujubees2]

Dunno if I'd call this winning the lottery. I'll bet all of these families would choose having their children alive over this payout.

Amen Mikeyboy. This isn't someone spilling hot coffee on their leg. These are people who lost a loved one due to a senseless act of violence which was mishandled by the school. But I'm sure every family would give up the money in a second to get their loved one back.

[FUNKMAN]

living in America is like living inside a big lottery game, you never know when your number is gonna get called

who is to blame? it's that age old question: " who came first, The Justice System Or The Victim? "

Dunno if I'd call this winning the lottery. I'll bet all of these families would choose having their children alive over this payout.

Amen Mikeyboy. This isn't someone spilling hot coffee on their leg. These are people who lost a loved one due to a senseless act of violence which was mishandled by the school. But I'm sure every family would give up the money in a second to get their loved one back.

i believe it can be argued and agreed to by more than half that the only one to blame is the shooter himself. it's easy for anyone to look back in "hindsight" and say the school could have done this or done that but in reality nobody could have done anything because they didn't know this young man committed the first act and was intent on killing others. so what you are saying is the school is fully responsible for securing everyon'e safety and it's possible to protect every student on campus? it's within the school's capability?
Dunno if I'd call this winning the lottery. I'll bet all of these families would choose having their children alive over this payout

obviously. what i don't get is what have the families done to deserve or earn this money? it's a tragic loss, but to get paid for it? sure if there were life insurance policies, of course...

[Thomas Merton]

No problem! Read some articles for cases of utterly guilty people who juries let walk and utterly innocent people who juries have locked away. Where 12 people have agreed, strongly agreed, on someonething that was dead wrong.

There are a few thousand.


In loco parentis Mike

[Mike Teacher]

In loco parentis Mike

Impressive. You know your shit.

I think you know what I meant, or maybe not and I'm still dead wrong. What I'm saying is the ability for trial lawyers to distort the truth... you know the rest.

Sadly I get all my legal knowledge from movies like 'A Civil Action' but still, seems to me, and again Wrongy Wrongerton is swinging away here, the reason for this is to, at all costs, avoid a trial where CNN gets to report and/or show people on the stand telling how they saw a victims face disappear. Thats fucking cold and harsh and mean, but exactly where I'm going.

Maybe I'm already wrong and its not about avoiding trial.

[Mike Teacher]

Jesus looking at my post seems I'm impressed Thomas knows a legal term in latin. Thats not it. If any teacher knows any legal phrase at all, its in loco parentis, and you folks go figure out why if you dont know what it means.

I'm actually too tired for a long post.

mark the date and time.

[earthbrown]

I dont like the suit, but had these schools would allow citizens with permits to carry on campus, maybe the count would have been less...

Great place for a shooting spree, all the liberal fuck professors and brain washed liberal students not a pistol in sight....if it was a community college there would have either been a thug or redneck with a pistol.


K

[TheMojoPin]

I dont like the suit, but had these schools would allow citizens with permits to carry on campus, maybe the count would have been less...

Great place for a shooting spree, all the liberal fuck professors and brain washed liberal students not a pistol in sight....if it was a community college there would have either been a thug or redneck with a pistol.


K

Stop. You've crossed the line into rampant trolldom already. If you keep posting things that are obviously so ridiculous and inflammatory to start fights from here on out, you're gone.

[earthbrown]

Stop. You've crossed the line into rampant trolldom already. If you keep posting things that are obviously so ridiculous and inflammatory to start fights from here on out, you're gone.

ridiculous??? what did i say that was not truth?

this incident could not have happened to the extent it did if students were allowed the "right to bear arms"....

There are quite a few ROTC students, at virginia tech, as well as even more active or former military personnel, who are more than qualified to carry a handgun.

Most of the brain-washed youth like Dave and Pitz, think the guns are the problem, that is because they are ignorant, they do not understand that those who would hurt you are not bound by rules, regulations, and laws...

Problem with a "free" society is that it inherently allows for this and other dangers to occur, but if we want to be "free" we accept this danger. Security and freedom are in an opposing battle, the more free we are the less secure, and vice versa, I would rather allow for danger and then try to protect myself.

VA tech could have been stopped by one man or woman with a gun, beit a professor, janitor, student, or security guard.


K

[TheMojoPin]

ridiculous??? what did i say that was not truth?

Stop. You're repeatedly and explicitly trolling and flame-baiting large segments of the posters here with your generalizations and insulting rhetoric. We have several gun debate threads, and for the most part they don't dive right into the namecalling and trolling that you dish out with nearly every post. You know exactly what you're doing, and I'm telling you to tone it down now.

[earthbrown]

Stop. You're repeatedly and explicitly trolling and flame-baiting large segments of the posters here with your generalizations and insulting rhetoric. We have several gun debate threads, and for the most part they don't dive right into the namecalling and trolling that you dish out with nearly every post. You know exactly what you're doing, and I'm telling you to tone it down now.


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