2009 Please Hurry

[Snacks]

I really think Bush is doing everything he can to destroy America even more the he already did before he leaves office. Gas is at an all time high $118 a barrel. the american dollar is become worthless and our debt continues to grow. whoever becomes president has a no win situation. they have so much to fix that they will never be able to fix it all in their 1st term.

He is an oil man and it seems like oil goes up in price and oil companies are show record profits. when he leaves office i can only imagine the kind of kick back (fake job) he will get.

[scottinnj]

Don't we have enough threads trashing Bush? Snacks, I swear to God you're copy-pasting the same rant over and over.

We love you Snacks. No worries, we're paying attention.

[dino_electropolis]

Don't we have enough threads trashing Bush? Snacks, I swear to God you're copy-pasting the same rant over and over.

We love you Snacks. No worries, we're paying attention.

as far as im concerned, there arent enough threads about this.....otherwise, his ass woulda been bounced from office already.

Think he would be great to party with.....scares me that he runs the country.

[smiler grogan]

I feel that Bush has lost interest in being president since his iniative to change social security failed in 05'. Indifference is his sin.

[led37zep]

as far as im concerned, there arent enough threads about this.....otherwise, his ass woulda been bounced from office already.


You must have a lot of faith in the power of this board.


but scottinnj is right. We get it, bush is bad. Lets move on.

[scottinnj]

I don't know. I remember a day or two after the 04 election, Bush was crowing that he had political "capital", and was going to use it. I went "uh, oh"

[Dougie Brootal]

i hate this country. thats all. if i could afford it i would move to canada. but i cant. so ill sit here and bitch.

man-man, please help us!

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah because that Nancy Pelosi run congress has really accomplished a lot since they were put in power

[Mike Teacher]

Anyone else see the thread title and realize; the first fucking Decade of the century, and millenium is almost over?

We're Eight years into 2000s already?

Fuck. It can't be. Y2K was last month, right?

Sheeesh. Didnt time pass slowly once?

[hexy68]

Yeah because that Nancy Pelosi run congress has really accomplished a lot since they were put in power

QFT..have they done anything?

[A.J.]

Yeah because that Nancy Pelosi run congress has really accomplished a lot since they were put in power

Pelosi makes Dennis Hastert look like Joe Cannon.

(I'm a poly-sci major. Forgive my subreferences.)

[EliSnow]

Sheeesh. Didnt time pass slowly once?

Yes, when you were a kid waiting for the last 10 minutes of class to end for the day.

[Knowledged_one]

Pelosi makes Dennis Hastert look like Joe Cannon.

(I'm a poly-sci major. Forgive my subreferences.)

Not disagreeing with you all i am saying is that the democrats ran on a platform (albeit very succesful) that put them in charge of congress and things would change and its been what 6 months and they havent done what they said

Hate them or not but the New Gingrich and contract with america got a lot done when they got put in power. Its not as if Bush is vetoing everything they are trying to do

[Snacks]

Don't we have enough threads trashing Bush? Snacks, I swear to God you're copy-pasting the same rant over and over.

We love you Snacks. No worries, we're paying attention.

I havent copied and pasted anything but thanks for the suggestion it will make my bush hating posts a lot easier!!
:drunk:

[Knowledged_one]

also blaming Bush for Oil prices while not taking into account the large consumption in the last 5 or 6 years by China and India which continues to grow.

I found this on the International Global Protection website

The two countries with the highest rate of growth in oil use are China and India, whose combined populations account for a third of humanity. In the next two decades, China's oil consumption is expected to grow at a rate of 7.5% per year and India’s 5.5%. (Compare to a 1% growth for the industrialized countries). It will be strategically imperative for these countries to secure their access to oil.

So basically there is a higher demand for oil with the same amount of supply, and if you look further at the oil contracts that Bush has set up with the coastal African nations where large reserves of oil are seemingly found every day oil should go down but these contracts dont start till i believe 2010.

[CountryBob]

I wonder? Has anybody ever praised any president during their service? i cant remember it being done.

[Knowledged_one]

and while i am a Vlad Guerrero, to think i am happy with oil prices couldnt be further from the truth as i am as disgusted as everyone

[Knowledged_one]

I wonder? Has anybody ever praised any president during their service? i cant remember it being done.

Reagan

[CountryBob]

Yeah, he was the best. Movie star with a kick ass attitude. I remember when he came on TV and said we just bombed Kadaffi - I was proud.

[Knowledged_one]

Not to mention he beat the commies

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[A.J.]

Not disagreeing with you all i am saying is that the democrats ran on a platform (albeit very succesful) that put them in charge of congress and things would change and its been what 6 months and they havent done what they said


They've been in charge since January 2007.

[A.J.]

Not to mention he beat the commies

http://meekmok.com/muaddib/images/blog/wolverines.jpg

Wolverinesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

And he took revenge on Vietnam.

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http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/posters/378x195/missing_in_action_2_the_beginning.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

They've been in charge since January 2007.

so its been 16 months wow time flies, thanks for the correction there friendo

[Snacks]

Reagan

The Reagan presidency is way over rated. It was only since he died that people have said he was a great president. Reaganomics might have been the start to all the debt we had during Bush 1 and early Clinton presidency's. I remember my family not liking Reagan too much.

[Knowledged_one]

I think he had a lot of cred both in office and out of office

Beating the commies was built into teh mind of every kid during the 80's and when he did that people were ecstatic. I love reading some of the Cold War stuff that we did, like sabotaging the Russian pipeline and the sub battles we had or the air battles over the sea of japan that people are now just finding out about

Reagan for 5th face on Rushmore

[Yerdaddy]

also blaming Bush for Oil prices while not taking into account the large consumption in the last 5 or 6 years by China and India which continues to grow.

I found this on the International Global Protection website

The two countries with the highest rate of growth in oil use are China and India, whose combined populations account for a third of humanity. In the next two decades, China's oil consumption is expected to grow at a rate of 7.5% per year and India’s 5.5%. (Compare to a 1% growth for the industrialized countries). It will be strategically imperative for these countries to secure their access to oil.

So basically there is a higher demand for oil with the same amount of supply, and if you look further at the oil contracts that Bush has set up with the coastal African nations where large reserves of oil are seemingly found every day oil should go down but these contracts dont start till i believe 2010.


China and India are only gaining on the US for oil consumption. (http://www.brienergy.com/pages/need01.html)

By 2025, China will be using about half as much petroleum as the United States.


With less than 5% of the world’s population, the United States consumes 25% of its petroleum supply—and it has just 1.6% of its petroleum reserves (Source: Oil & Gas Journal). 72% of the world’s reserves are controlled by Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, Russia, Libya and Nigeria.

According to the Department of Energy, the United States peaked in oil production in 1970 and it is now importing 66% of its crude oil and petroleum products, severely impacting the nation's balance of payments and its national security.

America’s proven oil reserves have declined by approximately 20% since 1990 and its total crude oil production is now at a 50-year low. Domestic crude oil production is hovering just above five million barrels per day, down from 9.6 million barrels per day in 1970.

Americans, the world's largest gasoline consumers, use an average of 390 million gallons per day. The price of oil is now above $100 per barrel and we are spending approximately $1 billion per day to import petroleum.


It is now estimated that the nation's petroleum imports will increase to 71% by 2025. Transportation will account for 87% of the increase in this consumption, dominated by growth in fuel use for light duty vhicles.

Increased domestic oil production cannot possibly keep pace with the nation's growing demand for liquid energy, and in this competitive environment, with petroleum becoming more difficult to access and bring to market, inflationary pressures on the price of crude oil are destined to continue.

[Knowledged_one]

How come you didnt include this tidbit from the same article?

However, America is not alone in its growing demand for energy. Japan imports 99% of its oil and 97% of its natural gas and has now overtaken Korea to become the world’s largest importer of ethanol. Two decades from now, China, the world’s fastest growing consumer of petroleum, could be importing 10 million barrels of oil per day.

I wont disagree with you about our large consumption but you have to acknowledge the fact that China and India have an impact on the price of oil, as well as the Oil contracts we have with Africa.

Also the US screws ourselves because of environmental concerns we havent built any refinerys lately (i believe like 30 years) and the same with Nuclear power because of the environmentalist concerns. Also there are 26 states that use different blends of gasoline which causes gas to be done many different ways which also causes a rise in gas prices.

[FUNKMAN]

also blaming Bush for Oil prices while not taking into account the large consumption in the last 5 or 6 years by China and India which continues to grow.

I found this on the International Global Protection website

The two countries with the highest rate of growth in oil use are China and India, whose combined populations account for a third of humanity. In the next two decades, China's oil consumption is expected to grow at a rate of 7.5% per year and India’s 5.5%. (Compare to a 1% growth for the industrialized countries). It will be strategically imperative for these countries to secure their access to oil.

So basically there is a higher demand for oil with the same amount of supply, and if you look further at the oil contracts that Bush has set up with the coastal African nations where large reserves of oil are seemingly found every day oil should go down but these contracts dont start till i believe 2010.

what i don't get is, if they make a good profit when there is less demand(selling less), wouldn't it make sense that they would make more profit when they sell(more gas/high demand) even without raising the price?

aren't wall street traders/analysts really determining the price?

[Knowledged_one]

FUNKMAN that questions is beyond my scope of knowledge and i dont know how to answer it

[Yerdaddy]

[QUOTE=Knowledged_one;1701097]How come you didnt include this tidbit from the same article?

QUOTE]

Because it's a tidbit compared to the fact that the US - with 5% of the population consuming 25% of oil supplies and China only set to reach half our consumption by 2025 - is, by far the largest factor in the demand/price equation. If we consumed the global average per capita amount of oil we'd probably be talking about the China/India demand increase pushing oil prices up to about $20 per barrel - the global PPB in 2003. China and India both have over four times our population and yet neither will probably equal our consumption within the next 50 years, if ever.

Oddly enough China and India only dominate analysis of oil prices in the US, with little mention of the fact that the US is and always has been the largest consumer - and the most reluctant to deal with the environmental and economic consequences of oil consumption. You want me to mention that Japan imports 99% of its oil? What does that mean other than the fact that Japan doesn't have any oil? How much oil does it consume compared to the US? A small fraction? It's the largest importer of ethanol? Ethanol is fuel made with LESS oil because it's mixed with biofules. How is that evidence of Japan being a bigger contributor to oil prices than the US? You, like most other pontificators in the States, always point to China as the fastest growing consumer of petroleum - even though it may never catch up to us, and even though the price has gone up five times only since 2003, while China's 10+% economic growth began long before 2003. What? Oil commodities traders hadn't considered the largest country in the world with one of the fastest growing economies as a factor in oil consumption prior to that? Give me a break.

The fact is that Bush has done little to help America or the world to deal with the current oil crisis, and in fact has done much - from the war in Iraq, sabotaging global strategies to deal with oil dependence and its environmental and economic impacts, to allowing oil and energy companies to write the country's national energy strategy - to make the problem worse. Of course, it used to be a conservative talking point that, adjusted for inflation, Carter - and Carter alone - was responsible for the highest oil prices in US history. Never any blame for the Yom Kuppur War or other global consumers - just Carter. But now that the inflation-adjusted price has surpassed the Carter era it's all China and India's fault.

Fuck it. I'm wasting my time trying to state the obvious anyway. Blame whoever you want.

[Slumbag]

I really think Bush is doing everything he can to destroy America even more the he already did before he leaves office. Gas is at an all time high $118 a barrel. the american dollar is become worthless and our debt continues to grow. whoever becomes president has a no win situation. they have so much to fix that they will never be able to fix it all in their 1st term.

He is an oil man and it seems like oil goes up in price and oil companies are show record profits. when he leaves office i can only imagine the kind of kick back (fake job) he will get.

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[badmonkey]

It's an old article, but interesting read about the breakdown of gasoline costs per gallon at the pump and other questions about gas prices from NPR from April of 2006. Kind of a general overview of how it works anyway.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439