Not Guilty!!!!!!!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Sean Bell Case

wife just told me

not gulity on all charges

Hope there isn't a race war




I thought they were guilty if that helps


Here is the Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/04/25/2008-04-25_officers_who_shot_sean_bell_aquitted_of_.html)

edit: Scary Part, 2 of the Detectives are black, and the white man will get 100% of the blame cause Sharpton will blame the system

[hexy68]

run White People - Run!!!!!!!!

[Drunky McBetidont]

and they stuck it the black man again with wesly snipes getting 3 years (max sentence) for misdemeanor crimes.

[foodcourtdruide]

I doubt there will be. Besides a few opportunistic manipulators that the media likes to highlight, I think most people understand what happened in this case.

People who disagree will have demonstrations, the NYPD will try to learn from what happened and life will go on. That's exactly how I wish this world will be and I bet it's what will happen. Maybe it's just local pride, but I think NY has their shit together on these types of things.

[Freitag]

I'd have a joke here about the time of day that the verdict was read...

you know, because...

[K.C.]

and they stuck it the black man again with wesly snipes getting 3 years (max sentence) for misdemeanor crimes.

I thought that was Samuel L. Jackson?



(I kid! I kid!)

[HBox]

Sean Bell Case

wife just told me

not gulity on all charges

Hope there isn't a race war




I thought they were guilty if that helps


Here is the Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/04/25/2008-04-25_officers_who_shot_sean_bell_aquitted_of_.html)

edit: Scary Part, 2 of the Detectives are black, and the white man will get 100% of the blame cause Sharpton will blame the system

I think you just may have saved us all/

[Mike Teacher]

Good day to have Patrice in the studio; hes killing now.

[BoondockSaint]

I thought they were guilty if that helps




Thank you. I was pretty upset but knowing that you thought they were guilty has really helped. I don't know what I'd do without you.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Thank you. I was pretty upset but knowing that you thought they were guilty has really helped. I don't know what I'd do without you.

I am here for all of you in this time of grief

[GvacMobile]

Think there will ever come a day when people can judge a case based on the evidence and not the race of the individuals involved?






Yeah. Me neither.

[BoondockSaint]

Think there will ever come a day when people can judge a case based on the evidence and not the race of the individuals involved?






Yeah. Me neither.

Huh? Two of the three cops were black.

[EliSnow]

Earl's going to be a peach on the show today.

[ScottFromGA]

Huh? Two of the three cops were black.

Black on Black crime makes Jay Mohr cry.

[GvacMobile]

Huh? Two of the three cops were black.

Exactly.

[RAAMONE]

Exactly.

huh?

[Recyclerz]

I don't believe anything serious is going to happen (other than a few staged shows of outrage for the TV cameras) but if it does, I work down the street from Sak's Fifth Avenue so if you need a nice gift for your best gal let me know, just in case there is a spontaneous "sale" later on. :wink:

[dino_electropolis]

Huh? Two of the three cops were black.

yeah, i dont think this is really a race issue, which is why it wont become any kind of race riot thing....unless, of course the venerable Al Sharpton has his way.


Not a big fan of the Po Po, but at the same time, i wouldnt want them to hesitate to take action when they feel threatened out of fear that they will be convicted later on.


tough situation really......but honestly, what moron has his bachelor party HOURS before his wedding? Not sayin he had it comin, but lets face it, his death hasnt set back any scientific/political/social/medical advances.

[Snacks]

one of my best friends was a nyc undercover cop. he said he and his partner went to bars and clubs all the time. they were given xx amount of dollars to spend and blend in. he said they drank beer on the job while undercover to not look out of place. if anything went down they were suppose to do nothing and let outside handle it. from what i heard 1 or 2 of the cops that fired their gun were cops who were drinking in the bar undercover.
im sorry but they should protest, not agaisnt white or black cops but for the simple fact that shit like this happens all the time. the only way to be heard is to make sure you are heard. protest in front of the cops homes, in front of the precenct. but dont get violent, just scream at the top of your voice.

if this happened to my brother i would do everything i could to make sure i still had justice.

[dino_electropolis]

one of my best friends was a nyc undercover cop. he said he and his partner went to bars and clubs all the time. they were given xx amount of dollars to spend and blend in. he said they drank beer on the job while undercover to not look out of place. if anything went down they were suppose to do nothing and let outside handle it. from what i heard 1 or 2 of the cops that fired their gun were cops who were drinking in the bar undercover.
im sorry but they should protest, not agaisnt white or black cops but for the simple fact that shit like this happens all the time. the only way to be heard is to make sure you are heard. protest in front of the cops homes, in front of the precenct. but dont get violent, just scream at the top of your voice.

if this happened to my brother i would do everything i could to make sure i still had justice.

well, ask yourself this....WOULD it happen to your brother?

[RAAMONE]

one of my best friends was a nyc undercover cop. he said he and his partner went to bars and clubs all the time. they were given xx amount of dollars to spend and blend in. he said they drank beer on the job while undercover to not look out of place. if anything went down they were suppose to do nothing and let outside handle it. from what i heard 1 or 2 of the cops that fired their gun were cops who were drinking in the bar undercover.
im sorry but they should protest, not agaisnt white or black cops but for the simple fact that shit like this happens all the time. the only way to be heard is to make sure you are heard. protest in front of the cops homes, in front of the precenct. but dont get violent, just scream at the top of your voice.

if this happened to my brother i would do everything i could to make sure i still had justice.

so your saying they should not protest against the cops by protesting in front of the cops homes.......?

[foodcourtdruide]

one of my best friends was a nyc undercover cop. he said he and his partner went to bars and clubs all the time. they were given xx amount of dollars to spend and blend in. he said they drank beer on the job while undercover to not look out of place. if anything went down they were suppose to do nothing and let outside handle it. from what i heard 1 or 2 of the cops that fired their gun were cops who were drinking in the bar undercover.
im sorry but they should protest, not agaisnt white or black cops but for the simple fact that shit like this happens all the time. the only way to be heard is to make sure you are heard. protest in front of the cops homes, in front of the precenct. but dont get violent, just scream at the top of your voice.

if this happened to my brother i would do everything i could to make sure i still had justice.

I agree with everything you said, except the protest in front of their homes part. I don't think their families should be subject to that.

[Snacks]

well, ask yourself this....WOULD it happen to your brother?

it could happen to anyone coming out of a nightclub or bar. if you look the wrong way (style, attitude etc not color)

but to directly answer your question i would say no. hes 36, married, 2 kids and lives in suburbia with a white picket fence. most importantly he doesnt go out, ever!

[Snacks]

so your saying they should not protest against the cops by protesting in front of the cops homes.......?

I agree with everything you said, except the protest in front of their homes part. I don't think their families should be subject to that.

yes i am. they killed the man and destroyed his family. people protest oj and he was found not guilty so time to fuck with these bastards. the badge shouldnt make them better or worse but it always seems to put them above the law.

[dino_electropolis]

it could happen to anyone coming out of a nightclub or bar. if you look the wrong way (style, attitude etc not color)

but to directly answer your question i would say no. hes 36, married, 2 kids and lives in suburbia with a white picket fence. most importantly he doesnt go out, ever!

Well, the married with 2 kids alone implies he doesnt go out, ever! lol

[A.J.]

Think there will ever come a day when people can judge a case based on the evidence and not the race of the individuals involved?






Yeah. Me neither.

One woman shouted at a black police officer, "How can you be proud to wear that uniform? Stand down! Stop working for the masters!"

Today's song will be "Am I Black Enough for You".

tough situation really......but honestly, what moron has his bachelor party HOURS before his wedding?

Bell, 23, was killed just before dawn on his wedding day, November 25, 2006. He and several friends were winding up an all-night bachelor party at the Kalua Club in Queens, a strip club that was under investigation by a NYPD undercover unit looking into complaints of guns, drugs and prostitution.

Yes...the perfect place to have an event.

[Jujubees2]

Wow, glad I got away from home early today. I live a few blocks from the court house. During the trial it was impossible to get around near the court house as every TV truck in NYC was parked there.

I think the police were excessive in the number of shots fired but I'm sure they were sacred shitless. And the DA did a horrible job with the case.

[dino_electropolis]

regardless of the underlying issues, how about that poor judge......i would have Appolonia starting my car for the next few weeks.

[Kevin]

Exactly.

huh?

Let me try to translate Gvacian.

He means he wants to see a day when trails are tried because or evidence and not how many white people or black people are involved, a day when there are no Jessie Jacksons or AL Sharpton to stir up things every time there are white people on trial for doing something to a black person, and saying the black person was a victim and laying no blame on them. Like being at the bedside of drug dealers.. Or white people judging black people and automatically thinking they are guilty because they are black. Its just the evidence and the crime that should be judged

I am not fully fluent in Gvacian yet so i could be wrong

[dino_electropolis]

Let me try to translate Gvacian.

He means he wants to see a day when trails are tried because or evidence and not how many white people or black people are involved.....

I am not fully fluent in Gvacian yet so i could be wrong

not sure your fluent in English either.....:tongue:

[Bossanova]

I blame the Jews

[CaptClown]

If there is a riot here's my shopping list:
3 PS3's
3 flat screens
3 XBox360's

[GvacMobile]

Kevin understands me!

Typos aside.

Thanks brother.

[angrymissy]

I don't believe anything serious is going to happen (other than a few staged shows of outrage for the TV cameras) but if it does, I work down the street from Sak's Fifth Avenue so if you need a nice gift for your best gal let me know, just in case there is a spontaneous "sale" later on. :wink:

Can you pick me up a pair of Louboutins, size 7.5 pls thx. I'll give you $50

[Bossanova]

I am pretty sure I heard NY had 2000 extra cops on duty today just incase something did happen

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/badu.jpg

[Kevin]

not sure your fluent in English either.....:tongue:

Is that you BDC??

[GvacMobile]

I don't expect much of a reaction, but I've decided to concentrate my efforts on the more rural areas of my territory today.

Purely coincidental, I assure you.

[Kevin]

I blame the Jews

Did Hippos predict a guilty verdict?

Fucking jinx!

[Kevin]

Kevin understands me!

Typos aside.

Thanks brother.

A brilliant mind such as yours cant be understood by commoners, it takes years of studying and reading to do so, i am honored and glad to see the hard work is paying off.

[Earlshog]

[QUOTE=Snacks;1703649]shit like this happens all the time.QUOTE]



What are the other instances you are referring to? Please back this up with facts, stories from a buddy who is a cop is not a fact. Also by all the time do you mean every day, every week, every month, please clairfy?

Another question is if cops are drinking and shooting people all the time why is it the media picked this case and this case only to focus on?

[Furtherman]

If you were a cop in that situation and a car was coming right at you... you'd fire too. It's a split instinct decision. It's a tragedy for all involved.

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/g-cvr-080425-sean-bell-reax-730a_gr.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

http://ar.geocities.com/unicornio_acuario/cartman.jpg

WHITES WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

I blame the Jews

That's a story that's about four thousand years in the making and it never gets old.

[Justice4all]

I know this may seem funny but I am seriously worried to see what happens in NYC in the next week. A case like this will put the city on edge. The last thing the NYPD needs is for people to not trust them again. I am not saying all cops are good and decent and hardworking officers (like our own CTC) and there are a few sour apples. I am not THAT naive.

But let's not forget what happened in LA with Rodney King. And King was beaten not shot. Yes I know it was more of a white cop on black victim crime with King. But even if there were black officers shooting this victim up it still puts the community (and might spill into the whole city) on alert.

And if there ever is rioting....CTC you be careful!

This shocks the hell out of me. I really thought one or two of those officers would be found guilty.

I am going to follow how the city reacts. If there is problems I am not going in this weekend. That's for damn sure.


And what the hell is an officer doing going into a bar and drinking while on duty? Undercover or not...you NEVER carry your firearm into a bar when you consume alcohol. I know two officers in NJ that got fired because they were drunk and showed they had a weapon on them.

[JohnWC]

And what the hell is an officer doing going into a bar and drinking while on duty? Undercover or not...you NEVER carry your firearm into a bar when you consume alcohol. I know two officers in NJ that got fired because they were drunk and showed they had a weapon on them.

They are undercover and supposed to blend in. They are told to order drinks and they are not sitting there getting shitfaced. They would probably look a little out of place being in a sketchy Jamaica Queens strip club at 2 AM without a drink. The guy who fired 31 bullets wasn't even in the club to begin with.

[Doctor Z]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

[RAAMONE]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

yes...because that would really help the situation

everything would be great after that

[JohnWC]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

What an intelligent response. That will make everything better. I wish I had thought of that..

[Earlshog]

I know this may seem funny but I am seriously worried to see what happens in NYC in the next week. A case like this will put the city on edge. The last thing the NYPD needs is for people to not trust them again. I am not saying all cops are good and decent and hardworking officers (like our own CTC) and there are a few sour apples. I am not THAT naive.

But let's not forget what happened in LA with Rodney King. And King was beaten not shot. Yes I know it was more of a white cop on black victim crime with King. But even if there were black officers shooting this victim up it still puts the community (and might spill into the whole city) on alert.

And if there ever is rioting....CTC you be careful!

This shocks the hell out of me. I really thought one or two of those officers would be found guilty.

I am going to follow how the city reacts. If there is problems I am not going in this weekend. That's for damn sure.


And what the hell is an officer doing going into a bar and drinking while on duty? Undercover or not...you NEVER carry your firearm into a bar when you consume alcohol. I know two officers in NJ that got fired because they were drunk and showed they had a weapon on them.


I really don't see this case paralleling the King case. That case had an amazing amount of heat, the video was shown at nauseam, not just locally but nationally. The Sean Bell case has not only not polarized the nation it really hasn't even polarized New York. No one has really talked about it while the trial was occurring. The Rodney King case showed video of white cops excessively tuning up a black man .

I honestly think cops on trial in the Sean Bell case have legitimate compassion for the his wife / family and will carry the burden / anguish with them for some time.

There will definitely be protests but I just don't think the passion people felt after the King case is there to turn this into a dangerous situation.

[Knowledged_one]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

So you are advocationg street justice to deal with an already tense situation, good idea there cop killer I am glad you are in no position to make decisions for anything.

And yeah kill some cops that will ensure harmony, i mean are you kidding you cant really be this stupid

[Furtherman]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

One day you might need a police officer. But with this attitude, I hope they're not around.

[dino_electropolis]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

I'm starting to think you are not a real doctor.....

[Jujubees2]

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

I see a Law and Order episode developing here...

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Wow, glad I got away from home early today. I live a few blocks from the court house. During the trial it was impossible to get around near the court house as every TV truck in NYC was parked there.

I think the police were excessive in the number of shots fired but I'm sure they were sacred shitless. And the DA did a horrible job with the case.

You can empty a clip in seconds. These are life changing decisions that are made in a matter of seconds. I do feel bad for the dude and his family but he didn't help his situation.

P.S-Where was the outcry for Officer Russell Timoshenko when he was shot in the face and killed in cold blood during a routine traffic stop in Brooklyn?(not directed at you Juju,this is a general statement)

[Knowledged_one]

You can empty a clip in seconds. These are life changing decisions that are made in a matter of seconds. I do feel bad for the dude and his family but he didn't help his situation.

P.S-Where was the outcry for Officer Russell Timoshenko when he was shot in the face and killed in cold blood during a routine traffic stop in Brooklyn?(not directed at you Juju,this is a general statement)

Was the officer white? If so then you have your answer

[Death Metal Moe]

Worst part about this story is it broke during a not so busy new cycle, so we're gonna hear about it for days. Plenty of talking heads doing their best to keep it going.

YAY!!!

[Knowledged_one]

any chance Al Sharpton gets hit by random fire?

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Was the officer white? If so then you have your answer

Yea he was. If I(white guy)rammed my car into cops they would shoot me,there is no question.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

Worst part about this story is it broke during a not so busy new cycle, so we're gonna hear about it for days. Plenty of talking heads doing their best to keep it going.

YAY!!!
Lol oh yea.This one isn't going away.

any chance Al Sharpton gets hit by random fire?
It would be hard to miss.

[Earlshog]

You can empty a clip in seconds. These are life changing decisions that are made in a matter of seconds. I do feel bad for the dude and his family but he didn't help his situation.

P.S-Where was the outcry for Officer Russell Timoshenko when he was shot in the face and killed in cold blood during a routine traffic stop in Brooklyn?(not directed at you Juju,this is a general statement)


There was a tremendous outcry and nationwide search for the killers which resulted in arrests.

[foodcourtdruide]

You can empty a clip in seconds. These are life changing decisions that are made in a matter of seconds. I do feel bad for the dude and his family but he didn't help his situation.

P.S-Where was the outcry for Officer Russell Timoshenko when he was shot in the face and killed in cold blood during a routine traffic stop in Brooklyn?(not directed at you Juju,this is a general statement)

I don't understand your point. What outcry would there be?

Are the criminals who shot him being sought atter, and if they are caught will they be bought to justice?

Do you want people to protest on the streets about criminals? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I don't know what people would be protesting. Is there a large pro-cop killer movement in this country that people need to speak out against?

[Earlshog]

I don't understand your point. What outcry would there be?

Are the criminals who shot him being sought atter, and if they are caught will they be bought to justice?

Do you want people to protest on the streets about criminals? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I don't know what people would be protesting. Is there a large pro-cop killer movement in this country that people need to speak out against?

The only thing he could be talking about is political and with in the media

[Snacks]

[QUOTE;1703649]shit like this happens all the time.QUOTE]



What are the other instances you are referring to? Please back this up with facts, stories from a buddy who is a cop is not a fact. Also by all the time do you mean every day, every week, every month, please clairfy?

Another question is if cops are drinking and shooting people all the time why is it the media picked this case and this case only to focus on?

how do i prove it? my best friend was a cop in ny undercover narcotics. i never said he shoots people, my friend and his partner would be in the club trying to buy drugs so the officers outside would arrest them when they left. my friend would buy drinks for himself, partner and others so they looked like everyday guys hanging out at a club.

my point was, in this case there were undercover guys inside and they were drinking. from what i heard the inside undercover guys also fired their guns. meaning they werent suppose to get involved with the outside because it is uderstood the undercovers most likely are drinking so shit like this doesnt happen. not to mention that the undercovers want to keep it that way. if they are noticed as cops they are no longer undercovers

and when i i say shit like this happens all the time. i mean cops getting away with shit all the time.

[TooLowBrow]

Is there a large pro-cop killer movement in this country that people need to speak out against?

i think certain portions of out population feel singled out by law enforcement for various reasons. them, their friends and families seem pretty pro-cop killer to me.
they even write songs about killing cops...

Cop killer! yeah!

I got my black shirt on.
I got my black gloves on.
I got my ski mask on.
This shits been too long.
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
Im bout to bust some shots off.
Im bout to dust some cops off.

Im a cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha.

I got my brain on hype.
Tonightll be your night.
I got this long-assed knife.
And your neck looks just right.
My adrenalines pumpin.
I got my stereo bumpin.
Im bout to kill me somethin.
A pig stopped me for nuthin!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, yeah!

Die, die, die pig, die!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Yeah!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Im a cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha ha ha, yeah!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Break it down.

Fuck the police, yeah!
Fuck the police, for darryl gates.
Fuck the police, for rodney king.
Fuck the police, for my dead homies.
Fuck the police, for your freedom.
Fuck the police, dont be a pussy.
Fuck the police, have some muthafuckin courage.
Fuck the police, sing along.

Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!

Cop killer! whaddyou wanna be when you grow up?
Cop killer! good choice.
Cop killer! Im a muthafuckin
Cop killer!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even!

[Snacks]

I really don't see this case paralleling the King case. That case had an amazing amount of heat, the video was shown at nauseam, not just locally but nationally. The Sean Bell case has not only not polarized the nation it really hasn't even polarized New York. No one has really talked about it while the trial was occurring. The Rodney King case showed video of white cops excessively tuning up a black man .

I honestly think cops on trial in the Sean Bell case have legitimate compassion for the his wife / family and will carry the burden / anguish with them for some time.

There will definitely be protests but I just don't think the passion people felt after the King case is there to turn this into a dangerous situation.

what proof do you have of this statment? just saying it doesnt make it true!!! you have no idea, do you know them?

[Death Metal Moe]

what proof do you have of this statment? just saying it doesnt make it true!!! you have no idea, do you know them?

We all just work off what we see in the media. What proof do you have to dispute his opinion?

[TooLowBrow]

what proof do you have of this statment? just saying it doesnt make it true!!! you have no idea, do you know them?

killing someone is the last thing a cop want to do (think of the paperwork!)

[Snacks]

We all just work off what we see in the media. What proof do you have to dispute his opinion?


i was just calling him out the same way he called me out about my proof with my friend. he has no knowledge about how these assholes feel.

do yourself a favor, dont get involved in my shit. i will go after much worse then spoon ever did.

[foodcourtdruide]

The only thing he could be talking about is political and with in the media

I still don't understand. You need opposing sides to have a conflict.

In the Sean Bell case, you may not agree with either side, but they both make logical sense.

Side A: Cops were guilty of excessive force.
Side B: Cops acted properly.

Therefor it becomes a mainstream newstory because people disagree. The media is not calling for the cops to be jailed (except perhaps in op-ed articles or during talking head pieces), nor are they calling for the cops to be let off (except, again in op-ed articles or during talking head pieces). The OPPOSING VIEWS is what makes the story a high profile story.

Where is the conflict in the Officer Timoshenko tragedy? Is FoxNews going to have the pro-cop killer side argue against the anti-cop killer side?

And politically, if you kill a police officer isn't it already already grounds for the death penalty? What stiffer penalty could there be?

[foodcourtdruide]

i think certain portions of out population feel singled out by law enforcement for various reasons. them, their friends and families seem pretty pro-cop killer to me.
they even write songs about killing cops...

Cop killer! yeah!

I got my black shirt on.
I got my black gloves on.
I got my ski mask on.
This shits been too long.
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
Im bout to bust some shots off.
Im bout to dust some cops off.

Im a cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha.

I got my brain on hype.
Tonightll be your night.
I got this long-assed knife.
And your neck looks just right.
My adrenalines pumpin.
I got my stereo bumpin.
Im bout to kill me somethin.
A pig stopped me for nuthin!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, yeah!

Die, die, die pig, die!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Yeah!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Im a cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha ha ha, yeah!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Break it down.

Fuck the police, yeah!
Fuck the police, for darryl gates.
Fuck the police, for rodney king.
Fuck the police, for my dead homies.
Fuck the police, for your freedom.
Fuck the police, dont be a pussy.
Fuck the police, have some muthafuckin courage.
Fuck the police, sing along.

Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!

Cop killer! whaddyou wanna be when you grow up?
Cop killer! good choice.
Cop killer! Im a muthafuckin
Cop killer!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even!

Yeah, no one spoke out against that song when it came out. Give me a break.

One song does not mean there is a significant movement in this country to kill police officers. People who kill police officers are tried to the fullest extent of the law.

[RAAMONE]

I got my black shirt on.
I got my black gloves on.
I got my ski mask on.
This shits been too long.
I got my twelve gauge sawed off.
I got my headlights turned off.
Im bout to bust some shots off.
Im bout to dust some cops off.

Im a cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha.

I got my brain on hype.
Tonightll be your night.
I got this long-assed knife.
And your neck looks just right.
My adrenalines pumpin.
I got my stereo bumpin.
Im bout to kill me somethin.
A pig stopped me for nuthin!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, yeah!

Die, die, die pig, die!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Yeah!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Im a cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your familys grieving,
(fuck em!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even, ha ha ha ha, yeah!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!

Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Fuck the police!
Break it down.

Fuck the police, yeah!
Fuck the police, for darryl gates.
Fuck the police, for rodney king.
Fuck the police, for my dead homies.
Fuck the police, for your freedom.
Fuck the police, dont be a pussy.
Fuck the police, have some muthafuckin courage.
Fuck the police, sing along.

Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!
Cop killer!

Cop killer! whaddyou wanna be when you grow up?
Cop killer! good choice.
Cop killer! Im a muthafuckin
Cop killer!

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
(fuck her!)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even!

isnt it ironic that he now stars on "law & order"

[TooLowBrow]

One song does not mean there is a significant movement in this country to kill police officers. People who kill police officers are tried to the fullest extent of the law.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said, "The mayor does not support any video game where you earn points for injuring or killing police officers" about gta4. but still this shows that even the mayor of nyc is afraid of anything that will cause this 'portion' of the people to rise up and kill more cops

[foodcourtdruide]

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said, "The mayor does not support any video game where you earn points for injuring or killing police officers" about gta4. but still this shows that even the mayor of nyc is afraid of anything that will cause this 'portion' of the people to rise up and kill more cops

So we agree?

[Knowledged_one]

i was just calling him out the same way he called me out about my proof with my friend. he has no knowledge about how these assholes feel.

do yourself a favor, dont get involved in my shit. i will go after much worse then spoon ever did.

You are just Jonny Internet Tough Guy arent you.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

I don't understand your point. What outcry would there be?

Are the criminals who shot him being sought atter, and if they are caught will they be bought to justice?

Do you want people to protest on the streets about criminals? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I don't know what people would be protesting. Is there a large pro-cop killer movement in this country that people need to speak out against?
Its the media. The media covers these stories just for the sheer fact that they can draw out strong emotions from people. Today,you could almost feel there want for a riot.

Also why didn't Al Sharpton hold a march when Timoshenko was killed,asking young black men not to shoot cops? He would get alot more credibility if he did.

And yes there can be protests against criminals that terrorize communities.



The only thing he could be talking about is political and with in the media
Thank,thats exactly what I mean.

[Death Metal Moe]

i was just calling him out the same way he called me out about my proof with my friend. he has no knowledge about how these assholes feel.

do yourself a favor, dont get involved in my shit. i will go after much worse then spoon ever did.

I will respond to whatever and whoever I want. Eat a dick internet tough guy.

[foodcourtdruide]

Its the media. The media covers these stories just for the sheer fact that they can draw out strong emotions from people. Today,you could almost feel there want for a riot.

Also why didn't Al Sharpton hold a march when Timoshenko was killed,asking young black men not to shoot cops? He would get alot more credibility if he did.

And yes there can be protests against criminals that terrorize communities.




Thank,thats exactly what I mean.

I don't understand your point about the media. You understand that the media is just pulling on emotions and hyping up conflict to make news, but you think the media should have covered the Timoshenko killing more? Where was the conflict that would have made it news? Again, imagine the issue being bought up on a talking head show. What would the two sides be? This issue gets more play because it forces two logical and socially accepted points of view against each other.

Why does what Al Sharpton says or does matter to you? Al Sharpton is an opportunistic salesman. Why would you expect him to ever do a decent or unbiased thing?

I agree that people should be more vocal against criminal acts within their community.

[Death Metal Moe]

Why does what Al Sharpton says or does matter to you? Al Sharpton is an opportunistic salesman. Why would you expect him to ever do a decent or unbiased thing?


Exactly. If the black community is doing OK he is broke. There HAS to be an injustice or other problem for him to get TV time and donations. He's a racist and a piece of living shit.

[Earlshog]

how do i prove it? my best friend was a cop in ny undercover narcotics. i never said he shoots people, my friend and his partner would be in the club trying to buy drugs so the officers outside would arrest them when they left. my friend would buy drinks for himself, partner and others so they looked like everyday guys hanging out at a club.

my point was, in this case there were undercover guys inside and they were drinking. from what i heard the inside undercover guys also fired their guns. meaning they werent suppose to get involved with the outside because it is uderstood the undercovers most likely are drinking so shit like this doesnt happen. not to mention that the undercovers want to keep it that way. if they are noticed as cops they are no longer undercovers

and when i i say shit like this happens all the time. i mean cops getting away with shit all the time.

You said "im sorry but they should protest, not against white or black cops but for the simple fact that shit like this happens all the time."


In the context of this thread and your post shit like this happened everyday ,looks like drunken cops are shooting at people.

Not a cop being able to drive over the speed limit or getting free coffee at Wa Wa.

[Knowledged_one]

I saw a cop jaywalk the other day and thought to myself the SOB got away with it again while here i have to cross at a crosswalk

[Earlshog]

what proof do you have of this statment? just saying it doesnt make it true!!! you have no idea, do you know them?

I don't have any proof that's why it was prefaced with I honestly think, I didn't say I know.

My point was / is its very dangerous present something (even if its on a dopey messageboard) as fact based solely on a cop friends story.

[Knowledged_one]

I'm beginning to doubt the existence of said friend

[Earlshog]

i was just calling him out the same way he called me out about my proof with my friend. he has no knowledge about how these assholes feel.

do yourself a favor, dont get involved in my shit. i will go after much worse then spoon ever did.


I never said I had proof how the cops felt, the conclusion was drawn based on everything I have read and witnessed. I could be wrong but that's my opinion, and I was clear it was just that, never conveyed it as fact.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

I don't understand your point about the media. You understand that the media is just pulling on emotions and hyping up conflict to make news, but you think the media should have covered the Timoshenko killing more? Where was the conflict that would have made it news? Again, imagine the issue being bought up on a talking head show. What would the two sides be? This issue gets more play because it forces two logical and socially accepted points of view against each other.

Why does what Al Sharpton says or does matter to you? Al Sharpton is an opportunistic salesman. Why would you expect him to ever do a decent or unbiased thing?

I agree that people should be more vocal against criminal acts within their community.

What I am saying is that they seem to have and agenda in that they only focus on the police when there is a horrible situation. And usually a situation where the officer is seen as the "violent aggressor".Also they only do this when there is a black victim. There are many occasions where a white person has been shot by cops and it is NEVER sensationalized to the point that it is with a black victim?Why is this? It seems like an agenda to me.They are race baiting and its bullshit,just be fair about it(the media). The news is supposed to be the news,not their take on the news.

Al Sharpton matters b/c he is who the media covers as the "leader"of black people and there are those who take him seriously. I agree with you that he is a racist who sucks on the blood of his own people but he does have political power.

[foodcourtdruide]

What I am saying is that they seem to have and agenda in that they only focus on the police when there is a horrible situation. And usually a situation where the officer is seen as the "violent aggressor".Also they only do this when there is a black victim. There are many occasions where a white person has been shot by cops and it is NEVER sensationalized to the point that it is with a black victim?Why is this? It seems like an agenda to me.They are race baiting and its bullshit,just be fair about it(the media). The news is supposed to be the news,not their take on the news.

Al Sharpton matters b/c he is who the media covers as the "leader"of black people and there are those who take him seriously. I agree with you that he is a racist who sucks on the blood of his own people but he does have political power.

The media does not do it because they have an agenda and hate cops, they do it because conflict between cops and black people sells newspapers. And if you think the media doesn't highlight black criminals you are mistaken.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

The media does not do it because they have an agenda and hate cops, they do it because conflict between cops and black people sells newspapers. And if you think the media doesn't highlight black criminals you are mistaken.

I agree they do it to sell papers and the media does highlight black criminals but in a passive aggressive way. Whenever there is a crime and they dont mention the race you pretty much know that its a black perpetrator. I think this is b/c of the white guilt that members in the media have and they dont want to let their own racism leak out. Read local NY police blotters and you will see crimes that were committed by a 6'male who was wearing a gray sweater and blue jeans.What? That really helps me in identifying the perp.
Thats the media saying,its a black person.

[conman823]

One point I didn't see brought up here was how these guys selected a judge (1 Man) to oversee this case. If these Officers were completely in the right shouldn't they have to face the people they work for everyday, that being the tax payers? Shouldn't they be subject to the same proceedings as a poor minority kid? You know one man is easy to isolate, especially since the judges in the city have been sqwaking about pay raises lately.

I think there was no riots or disruptions because at this point the system has everyone so beaten down that you almost EXPECT bullshit like this too happen. For 30 years certain communities have been afraid of the cops, and this is a prime example of why. Its easy to say you don't see anything wrong with it when you may have been raised in the suburbs or more afluent neighborhoods. Thumbing your noses down at certain areas because they deserve it.

The mayor made a comment that was something like "Nobody won today". I think thats the truest thing said about the whole thing. These cops go home but have to live with it. Good Cops have to carry this cross into these communities now and get looked at with deeper resentment. The families are all destroyed. A young kids look at the adults pissed about it and learn to carry the torch for a new generation, wether its "Look how bad the cops are" or "Those guys got what they deserved". The cycle will continue.

[TooLowBrow]

If these Officers were completely in the right shouldn't they have to face the people they work for everyday, that being the tax payers? Shouldn't they be subject to the same proceedings as a poor minority kid?

they shouldve been tried by a jury of honest h'amsterdam citizens

[conman823]

they shouldve been tried by a jury of honest h'amsterdam citizens

The trail should have been held in wonderful East New York Brooklyn.

[Doctor Z]

One day you might need a police officer. But with this attitude, I hope they're not around.

Who said anything about them being police officers? I'm talking about the 3 guys that gunned down an innocent man... What does it matter what their occupation was?

That's like if I said "OJ Simpson is a scumbag, I hope he burns in hell for what he did", and you replied with "For someone who likes football, that's an awfully mean thing to say."

I don't hate these guys for being cops. I would've said the same thing if they were lawyers, doctors, or shoe salesmen. Why the instant assumption that I'm connecting their shittiness to their professions? The fact that they were cops is irrelevant.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

One point I didn't see brought up here was how these guys selected a judge (1 Man) to oversee this case. If these Officers were completely in the right shouldn't they have to face the people they work for everyday, that being the tax payers? Shouldn't they be subject to the same proceedings as a poor minority kid? You know one man is easy to isolate, especially since the judges in the city have been sqwaking about pay raises lately.

I think there was no riots or disruptions because at this point the system has everyone so beaten down that you almost EXPECT bullshit like this too happen. For 30 years certain communities have been afraid of the cops, and this is a prime example of why. Its easy to say you don't see anything wrong with it when you may have been raised in the suburbs or more afluent neighborhoods. Thumbing your noses down at certain areas because they deserve it.

The mayor made a comment that was something like "Nobody won today". I think thats the truest thing said about the whole thing. These cops go home but have to live with it. Good Cops have to carry this cross into these communities now and get looked at with deeper resentment. The families are all destroyed. A young kids look at the adults pissed about it and learn to carry the torch for a new generation, wether its "Look how bad the cops are" or "Those guys got what they deserved". The cycle will continue.

The way that the media,commissioner,mayor and others threw them under the bus before they saw the grand jury do you really think that they would have gotten a fair trial?

I for one am from the rat hole known as Ozone Park where last week cops popped a kid for turning on them with a .40 cal. Lucky for him they shot him in the ass. Then the cops had to take a breathalyzer exam after they had a gun pulled on them,way to build morale.I come from a bad neighborhood(and im 7 blocks from lovely East NY) and I still see it the same way.Yes there are def bad cops but I dont think its the problem in this case.

[EliSnow]

One point I didn't see brought up here was how these guys selected a judge (1 Man) to oversee this case. If these Officers were completely in the right shouldn't they have to face the people they work for everyday, that being the tax payers? Shouldn't they be subject to the same proceedings as a poor minority kid? You know one man is easy to isolate, especially since the judges in the city have been sqwaking about pay raises lately.




They didn't "select a judge." A jury trial is a right held by the defendant and can be waived. It's not a mandatory thing. If it's waived, you get a bench trial, but you don't "select" the judge handling the trial.

A poor minority kid could waive his right to a jury, and get a bench trial, as well, but in almost every case, it's not a smart idea. In order for a defendant to be proven guilty, the prosecution has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. With a jury trial, the prosecution has to convince 12 people. With a bench trial, they only have to convince one.

It's a hell of a risk for the defense to take.

As for "isolating" one person, they could do that with a jury trial too. You need all twelve people to convict. If they "isolated" one person on a jury, they could get a mistrial, and in practical terms, off as well.

[sailor]

I don't hate these guys for being cops. I would've said the same thing if they were lawyers, doctors, or shoe salesmen. Why the instant assumption that I'm connecting their shittiness to their professions? The fact that they were cops is irrelevant.

no matter what side you're on on this one, their actions were all directly related to their profession. it's a completely relevant factor.

[Snacks]

You are just Jonny Internet Tough Guy arent you.

I will respond to whatever and whoever I want. Eat a dick internet tough guy.

I'm beginning to doubt the existence of said friend

I went to sleep so it took me awhile to resond. there is such a friend, you can ask crippler he knows him well.

as for internet tough guy, i will meet up with any of you 2 fat fucks and beat the living shit out of both of you.

Moe, you might be the biggest pussy on the board. No knowledge, you troll around and try to respond to everything i write and I would love to kick your ass. im so tired of your shit,

[underdog]

as for internet tough guy, i will meet up with any of you 2 fat fucks and beat the living shit out of both of you.

You're physically threatening people because of stuff on a message board?

You must have a very sad life.

[ChrisTheCop]

All the contingency plans the department made for this verdict,
and they laughed when I warned of rioting within RonFez.net.

Who's laughing now???!!!

[Snacks]

You're physically threatening people because of stuff on a message board?

You must have a very sad life.

no im calling people out. message board or not no one talks shit to me.these 2 ft fucks, mostly ko goes to my posts and tries to call me out. so now im calling his fat ass out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

no im calling people out. message board or not no one talks shit to me.these 2 ft fucks, mostly ko goes to my posts and tries to call me out. so now im calling his fat ass out.

There's an art and skill to calling people out, and threatening to kick someone's ass, whether real or in jest, is really fucking lame.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

All the contingency plans the department made for this verdict,
and they laughed when I warned of rioting within RonFez.net.

Who's laughing now???!!!
Lol,you deserve a promotion for that my friend ;).

[Death Metal Moe]

I went to sleep so it took me awhile to resond. there is such a friend, you can ask crippler he knows him well.

as for internet tough guy, i will meet up with any of you 2 fat fucks and beat the living shit out of both of you.

Moe, you might be the biggest pussy on the board. No knowledge, you troll around and try to respond to everything i write and I would love to kick your ass. im so tired of your shit,

Wow. I didn't think you were dumb enough to print a physical threat on the internet.

Nice work.

Yea, you win the argument because you think you can beat people up.

Anything else sweetie?

[Bulldogcakes]

There's an art and skill to calling people out, and threatening to kick someone's ass, whether real or in jest, is really fucking lame.

Bingo.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's something stupid I want to ask, and goddamn it, if I was a reporter, you'd be goddamn sure I'd ask this:

To Sean Bell's family, and to those who were injured in the shooting:

Would you rather see these cops off the streets and in jail and not see a single penny, or have them acquitted and get a nice big fat settlement from the city? Because it's OBVIOUS they are gonna get PAID PAID PAID. Even Sharpton will get paid from this because he'll get a consultant/reference fee from the families settlement.

[TheMojoPin]

no im calling people out. message board or not no one talks shit to me.these 2 ft fucks, mostly ko goes to my posts and tries to call me out. so now im calling his fat ass out.

Then respond in kind. Trying to pick an actual fight over this nonsense is unacceptable and won't be tolerated.

[Zorro]

Here's something stupid I want to ask, and goddamn it, if I was a reporter, you'd be goddamn sure I'd ask this:

To Sean Bell's family, and to those who were injured in the shooting:

Would you rather see these cops off the streets and in jail and not see a single penny, or have them acquitted and get a nice big fat settlement from the city? Because it's OBVIOUS they are gonna get PAID PAID PAID. Even Sharpton will get paid from this because he'll get a consultant/reference fee from the families settlement.

A criminal conviction increases the likelihood of a settlement with the city. So, you're question doesn't really make any sense unless less you are asking the Bell Family " a hypothetical" would you rather have Justice or Money? I bet they'd rather have their son back.

[Epschtein]

it drives me crazy when people focus on the number of shots fired, its completely irrelevant. the main shots that need to be examined are the first and the last, and it doesnt really matter how many there are in between.

they could be guilty as sin if they only fired 5 shots, and the could be completely innocent even if they fired 100.

people forming their opinions on the case from just what they read in the media probably have less than half of the relevant facts needed to make an informed decision.

[Doctor Z]

I see your point, but there's something to be said about continuing to empty clips into a body that's already begun decomposing.

[Jujubees2]

it drives me crazy when people focus on the number of shots fired, its completely irrelevant. the main shots that need to be examined are the first and the last, and it doesnt really matter how many there are in between.

they could be guilty as sin if they only fired 5 shots, and the could be completely innocent even if they fired 100.

people forming their opinions on the case from just what they read in the media probably have less than half of the relevant facts needed to make an informed decision.

Maybe if you're talking five or six shots, yes,. But when one officer expties his clip and then reloads and empties another one, it can be considered too much.

And the cops on the scene didn't practice what they were taught. The police training aimed at preventing contagious, or "sympathetic," shooting frenzies is called mass reflective firing. Commissioner Ray Kelly explains: "We stress when officers go to the range that they fire no more than three rounds and then they look, they assess what the situation is, fire no more than three rounds at a time." Despite this training, Kelly concedes that while cops "try to guard against it," contagious shooting "is a phenomenon that does happen in policing. No question about it." Part of the reason may be a clichéd, but nevertheless powerful, tip passed on from one generation of cops to the next with much more frequency than "mass reflective firing training": "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six."

from http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0649,gardiner,75216,6.html

[Tenbatsuzen]

A criminal conviction increases the likelihood of a settlement with the city. So, you're question doesn't really make any sense unless less you are asking the Bell Family " a hypothetical" would you rather have Justice or Money? I bet they'd rather have their son back.

Yeah, but the guys who got injured are gonna get paid. Everyone's gonna get paid. The city is gonna settle to make this go away. The cops in the Diallo shooting were acquitted as well, and Diallo's family still got three million.

[Zorro]

Yeah, but the guys who got injured are gonna get paid. Everyone's gonna get paid. The city is gonna settle to make this go away. The cops in the Diallo shooting were acquitted as well, and Diallo's family still got three million.

...and if they'd been convicted the family would have gotten twice that...

[Epschtein]

Maybe if you're talking five or six shots, yes,. But when one officer expties his clip and then reloads and empties another one, it can be considered too much.


it doesnt matter if you are talking about 5 or 6 shots, or if the guy empties two clips, or if the guy runs back to the car 3 times to get more weapons and fires off 100+ rounds. all that matters is the context; depending on the situation 5 or 6 can be considered too much, and 100 can be considered reasonable.

i am specifically saying that i am annoyed by people who say 50 bullets absolutely = excessive, and dont bother to really learn anything about the circumstances of the incident.

on a completely seperate point, it is also annoying when people take what they have read in the media and try to act like they then have all the evidence they need to pass judgement on the police and/or the people shot in this case, that is why they have trials.

of course people are entitled to their opinions, but too often it seems people get carried away and dont allow for the possibility that they might need to see the trial record to form a truly informed opinion.

i have attended every day of 5 murder trials and was personally involved in two of them, i then followed each case closely thru the media when i got home at night. they consistently seem to do a terrible job accurately reporting what goes on in the courtroom.

i have no idea what really happened in this case, but it seems POSSIBLE to me that the cops thought they heard mention of a gun, that they identified themselves and were ignored, and that the driver then used the car in a menacing way that made the cops feel their lives were in danger.

it is also certainly POSSIBLE that they didnt follow procedure and one of them simply didnt like the way these guys were acting, that in effect one or more of them instigated the incident, and then once shots were fired that 2 of them went completely overboard with their use of their firearms.

but one thing is for sure, i wont be running around acting like i KNOW what happened and who is to blame until i have at least read the trial record. and even then if you didnt witness the trial you have no sense of how truthful each person sounded, and how plausible their testimony was in person, all of which is absolutely important for consideration.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

it doesnt matter if you are talking about 5 or 6 shots, or if the guy empties two clips, or if the guy runs back to the car 3 times to get more weapons and fires off 100+ rounds. all that matters is the context; depending on the situation 5 or 6 can be considered too much, and 100 can be considered reasonable.

i am specifically saying that i am annoyed by people who say 50 bullets absolutely = excessive, and dont bother to really learn anything about the circumstances of the incident.

on a completely seperate point, it is also annoying when people take what they have read in the media and try to act like they then have all the evidence they need to pass judgement on the police and/or the people shot in this case, that is why they have trials.

of course people are entitled to their opinions, but too often it seems people get carried away and dont allow for the possibility that they might need to see the trial record to form a truly informed opinion.

i have attended every day of 5 murder trials and was personally involved in two of them, i then followed each case closely thru the media when i got home at night. they consistently seem to do a terrible job accurately reporting what goes on in the courtroom.

i have no idea what really happened in this case, but it seems POSSIBLE to me that the cops thought they heard mention of a gun, that they identified themselves and were ignored, and that the driver then used the car in a menacing way that made the cops feel their lives were in danger.

it is also certainly POSSIBLE that they didnt follow procedure and one of them simply didnt like the way these guys were acting, that in effect one or more of them instigated the incident, and then once shots were fired that 2 of them went completely overboard with their use of their firearms.

but one thing is for sure, i wont be running around acting like i KNOW what happened and who is to blame until i have at least read the trial record. and even then if you didnt witness the trial you have no sense of how truthful each person sounded, and how plausible their testimony was in person, all of which is absolutely important for consideration.
Great post.......thats really all I have to say lol.

[TooLowBrow]

Maybe if you're talking five or six shots, yes,. But when one officer expties his clip and then reloads and empties another one, it can be considered too much.



what if each cop fired one full clip. then stopped and assessed the situation. then got run over by the car. is this what shouldve happened? maybe the extra clip was what kept all those cops alive that night.

[OzoneParkPaulie]

what if each cop fired one full clip. then stopped and assessed the situation. then got run over by the car. is this what shouldve happened? maybe the extra clip was what kept all those cops alive that night.

Right,and the cops used to have 6 shot revolvers until(many years ago) a cop got into a gunfight and was outmatched and ran out of bullets. The perp then walked up to him and shot him in his head.

[Jujubees2]

what if each cop fired one full clip. then stopped and assessed the situation. then got run over by the car. is this what shouldve happened? maybe the extra clip was what kept all those cops alive that night.

I'm not saying what the cops did was criminal. All I was saying is that at least one officer did not follow departmental protocol which is to stop after a certain number of shots to asses the situation. Is that so difficult to understand? From all reports, the car was not moving when it was being fired upon.

[furie]

and they stuck it the black man again with wesly snipes getting 3 years (max sentence) for misdemeanor crimes.

you can't be sentenced for more than one year for a misdemeanor

[Bulldogcakes]

Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080426/D909P8SG0.html)

The city should shut down his National Action Network HQ for making and/or carrying out such threats. The city closes restaurants left and right for the flimsiest bullshit and yet this bozo threatens to disrupt the entire city and goes unpunished. This will cost the city millions in tax revenues and police overtime on top of screwing up everyone trying to earn a living. All because big Al is pissed off. When the MTA transit union did this last year, they were fined a million bucks per day. Why not do the same to the NAW? All the same arguments apply. They will be marching without a permit, the NAW leadership should be arrested on the spot.

Hope your Grandpa doesn't live near the protest zone and need an ambulance that day. He's a dead man. Thank Big Al at the funeral.

[TooLowBrow]

Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080426/D909P8SG0.html)



who does this guy think he is, Roger Toussaint?

[sr71blackbird]

I feel like I am living in a vacuum the past week because of my work schedule, so I knew nothing about this until I just read this thread, but I wondered why these black kids in a car next to me got all vocal at me at a light when I had honked at them to go at the light before. Unless it had nothing to do with it.

[Bulldogcakes]

who does this guy think he is, Roger Toussaint?

The city went after Roger personally and fined him out of his own pocket for spearheading the illegal TWU strike. Why not do the same to Al? I know he's not worth anything, but maybe you could seize the NAW headquarters and shut them down.

The notion that in a city of 8 million people, all of whom have a long list of gripes with the city over one matter or another, that any one group gets to shut the city down for their issue is a joke. It's also 1,000% counterproductive. It only serves to turn most of the city against his cause.

Arrest Al now. Save him from himself.

[conman823]

The city went after Roger personally and fined him out of his own pocket for spearheading the illegal TWU strike. Why not do the same to Al? I know he's not worth anything, but maybe you could seize the NAW headquarters and shut them down.

The notion that in a city of 8 million people, all of whom have a long list of gripes with the city over one matter or another, that any one group gets to shut the city down for their issue is a joke. It's also 1,000% counterproductive. It only serves to turn most of the city against his cause.

Arrest Al now. Save him from himself.

The MTA is a city funded organization that is suppose to serve the people, too shut it down to the very people who pay for it was a crime. Roger was a publicity hound who wanted his face on the 6 O'Clock news, and was dealt with accordingly. BTW, The TWU paid those fines on a monthly note (I work at a TWU railroad so I am SURE of it) not a lump sum. Also a lot of members showed there dislike of the strike by not paying there dues for several months after it, again leaving the TWU short of money for there monthly note.

Anyway, I can't stand Sharpton at all but at least he isn't calling for out right riots where people and cops get hurt and killed. Yeah he's an opportunist but at least this didn't turn into downtown LA. You gotta at least see it like that. Arresting Sharpton is a bigger waste of tax dollars, his high priced lawyers will have him out before you can count to 10. NYPD officers love easy OT, at least the aren't in riot gear beating off 10,000 angry people.

[Bulldogcakes]

The MTA is a city funded organization that is suppose to serve the people, too shut it down to the very people who pay for it was a crime. Roger was a publicity hound who wanted his face on the 6 O'Clock news, and was dealt with accordingly. BTW, The TWU paid those fines on a monthly note (I work at a TWU railroad so I am SURE of it) not a lump sum. Also a lot of members showed there dislike of the strike by not paying there dues for several months after it, again leaving the TWU short of money for there monthly note.

To be clear, I was going after Toussaint and the TWU leadership. While the TWU has a pretty radical past, that doesn't mean all or most of its membership agreed on the illegal strike. Given how closely split the vote to strike was, its obvious there was a lot of disagreement within the union.

Anyway, I can't stand Sharpton at all but at least he isn't calling for out right riots where people and cops get hurt and killed. Yeah he's an opportunist but at least this didn't turn into downtown LA. You gotta at least see it like that. Arresting Sharpton is a bigger waste of tax dollars, his high priced lawyers will have him out before you can count to 10. NYPD officers love easy OT, at least the aren't in riot gear beating off 10,000 angry people.

So that's the standard? Just don't call for rioting and everything's cool? First off, if he did call for riots he would arrested immediately and he knows it. Free Speech ends when you start calling for riots. The old saw about "screaming fire in a crowded theater" applies pretty clearly there.

Sorry, I don't give a flying fuck what his grievances are, he has no right to shut down the entire city and should be arrested if he even attempts to do so.

[Bulldogcakes]

BTW-Did anyone follow this case closely? I didn't, but I heard a news report on WNYC that Sean Bell's family doctor testified that he was legally blind in one eye, and was surprised he was able to get a driver's license in the first place.

When I heard that, it was pretty clear to me what happened and I had no doubt the police officers would (and should) be acquitted. It was dark, he had a few drinks in him and he was half blind to begin with. Plus he just got into an argument with someone at the bar, for all he knew he was being ambushed by the guys he got into the argument with. Its a case where the officers could have had their badges in clear view and it wouldn't have made any difference.

[Zorro]

The city went after Roger personally and fined him out of his own pocket for spearheading the illegal TWU strike. Why not do the same to Al? .

Little thing called the first amendment...

[Doctor Z]

So, how's that 'shutting down the city' going?

[MadMatt]

So, how's that 'shutting down the city' going?

Al Sharpton could possibly be the biggest A-hole on the planet! Talk about a race-bating douchebag...

The officers were found not guilty - deal with it! You weren't there and don't have all of the facts, Al. If there was a possibility they were guilty, don't you think they would have been found so - nobody wanted to deal with this horsecrap.

[Death Metal Moe]

Al Sharpton could possibly be the biggest A-hole on the planet! Talk about a race-bating douchebag...

The officers were found not guilty - deal with it! You weren't there and don't have all of the facts, Al. If there was a possibility they were guilty, don't you think they would have been found so - nobody wanted to deal with this horsecrap.

You know why he's doing this. He either creates problems out of nothing or amplifies a problem so he can justify his existence.

He's a racist and a fucking cunt. The best thing I can hope for him is death.

[scottinnj]

He's a racist and a fucking cunt.

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He's the racist Jew-hater. The one next to him is the fucking cunt.

[Death Metal Moe]

He's the racist Jew-hater. The one next to him is the fucking cunt.

::douche chill::

I can't argue with you on that one.

They couldn't find one grenade to put under that couch?

[scottinnj]

No shit. That would have saved the country a ton of future problems.

[Furtherman]

Who said anything about them being police officers? I'm talking about the 3 guys that gunned down an innocent man... What does it matter what their occupation was?

That's like if I said "OJ Simpson is a scumbag, I hope he burns in hell for what he did", and you replied with "For someone who likes football, that's an awfully mean thing to say."

I don't hate these guys for being cops. I would've said the same thing if they were lawyers, doctors, or shoe salesmen. Why the instant assumption that I'm connecting their shittiness to their professions? The fact that they were cops is irrelevant.

You did.

I hope as these 3 cops are walking out of the bar tonight (after celebrating their acquittal), someone turns their heads into skull fragments.

[Jujubees2]

So, how's that 'shutting down the city' going?

What's the big deal about shutting down the city. Last summer, a freaking rain storm shut the city down.

[Knowledged_one]

no im calling people out. message board or not no one talks shit to me.these 2 ft fucks, mostly ko goes to my posts and tries to call me out. so now im calling his fat ass out.

You make the same threats all the time that your life is so great and how you want to compare it against mine and everytime i say go for it you dont respond with your great life. So now its a fight you want and you challenge it over the internet wow you are really original arent you. And the same comment about fat is so original, like it gets me riled up in any way or for that matter likes its based on some kind of fact that you know. Yes i am fat and yes i have lost 60 lbs so what of it, you resort to name calling internet tough guy we all know what you are really like around here a chump plain and simple

[TheMojoPin]

KO, drop it.

[Knowledged_one]

sure thing, just wanted to get the last word in

and after the Cubs lost two of three to the Nats im surprised you didnt slit your wrists :tongue:

[Snacks]

sure thing, just wanted to get the last word in

and after the Cubs lost two of three to the Nats im surprised you didnt slit your wrists :tongue:

wow, I guess you got the last word

or did you

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now thats a great pic of a good looking guy, lol

[Death Metal Moe]

wow, I guess you got the last word

or did you

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now thats a great pic of a good looking guy, lol

God, you're so bad at this. Are you legally retarded or something?

And you kept it going after you were asked to stop.

[Jujubees2]

Snacks,

http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/ban-hamster.jpg

[spoon]

I see your point, but there's something to be said about continuing to empty clips into a body that's already begun decomposing.

Wow, that post isn't laden with hyperbole....I hope!?

Come on Z, I'm not defending every action here but have you ever been in the middle of a tense situation like this? It doesn't make them above the law, but when bullets fly in a tough situation sometimes things go wrong. I feel for the families, but it wasn't like they just listened when given orders. Now I know the claim of not knowing, but there are plenty of factors here that cloud their complete innocence.

Also, as stated on O and A, taking these boys down would set some terrible standards for the police force. As I stated before, I really don't know this case top to bottom so I'll refrain from making clear cut assumptions/judgements. However, I can see the issues with both sides.

And I bet Dr. Z isn't even an MD.....with talk like this I'm sure he's a dirty DO!

[spoon]

Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080426/D909P8SG0.html)

The city should shut down his National Action Network HQ for making and/or carrying out such threats. The city closes restaurants left and right for the flimsiest bullshit and yet this bozo threatens to disrupt the entire city and goes unpunished. This will cost the city millions in tax revenues and police overtime on top of screwing up everyone trying to earn a living. All because big Al is pissed off. When the MTA transit union did this last year, they were fined a million bucks per day. Why not do the same to the NAW? All the same arguments apply. They will be marching without a permit, the NAW leadership should be arrested on the spot.

Hope your Grandpa doesn't live near the protest zone and need an ambulance that day. He's a dead man. Thank Big Al at the funeral.

The sad thing is that AL isn't "pissed off", he could truly give two shits. In fact, this is all to keep his platform built on lies and explotation. I wish the guy cared and was just over the top, yet it's not true. It's all about image and $$$$. I'm sure 70% of the population knows this, but that's not where he makes his money and or his audience.

[Snacks]

God, you're so bad at this. Are you legally retarded or something?

And you kept it going after you were asked to stop.

i would rather be retarded to look and be like you. you are one big hot mess!

[Death Metal Moe]

i would rather be retarded to look and be like you. you are one big hot mess!

Well I'm rubber and you're glue. What are you, 3 fucking years old?

You cease to even be fun to pick at anymore.

[TheMojoPin]

STOP.

Knock off the personal attacks. Next one to step over that line is gone for at least 2 weeks.

Snacks, using someone else's pic as your avatar without their consent is WAY over the line. As such, if you pull anything else along those lines, you're gone for good.

This ends now.

[spoon]

STOP.

Knock off the personal attacks. Next one to step over that line is gone for at least 2 weeks.

Snacks, using someone else's pic as your avatar without their consent is WAY over the line. As such, if you pull anything else along those lines, you're gone for good.

This ends now.

Cubs suck and u stole Johnson chicunt!

[Snacks]

I feel like I'm in school and dodge ball is gone and so is tag.

This site is funny. People post about how much our society is being pissified so is the board. So when people run to the principals office everyone needs to behave.

What The Fuck Ever!

[walking joint]

I feel like I'm in school and dodge ball is gone and so is tag.

This site is funny. People post about how much our society is being pissified so is the board. So when people run to the principals office everyone needs to behave.

What The Fuck Ever!

tag?

and i believe its pussified not pissified. though that would be kind of cool.

and YEAH!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Nobody "ran" to anyone.

Snacks, you're the one taking this to ridicuously childish levels by turning this into a completely juvenile pissing match with threatening people. If you can't knock it off, I'll happily save you the trouble of reading more posts that send you into tantrum-mode.

[TheMojoPin]

Cubs suck and u stole Johnson chicunt!

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[Dirtybird12]

I think the fourth bullet shot probably killed him..
Yep. Final answer...4. Bullet number 4 killed this proud young man.

anyone wanna dispute THAT?
didnt think so.

I WIN

[Death Metal Moe]

I think the fourth bullet shot probably killed him..
Yep. Final answer...4. Bullet number 4 killed this proud young man.

anyone wanna dispute THAT?
didnt think so.

I WIN

NOOB!!! Everyone knows it was bullet # 28 that did the young lad in.

YAHTZEE!!!

[spoon]

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Wow, I still love the way he plays. Fuck you JP!!! Nice move douche!

[conman823]

To be clear, I was going after Toussaint and the TWU leadership. While the TWU has a pretty radical past, that doesn't mean all or most of its membership agreed on the illegal strike. Given how closely split the vote to strike was, its obvious there was a lot of disagreement within the union.



So that's the standard? Just don't call for rioting and everything's cool? First off, if he did call for riots he would arrested immediately and he knows it. Free Speech ends when you start calling for riots. The old saw about "screaming fire in a crowded theater" applies pretty clearly there.

Sorry, I don't give a flying fuck what his grievances are, he has no right to shut down the entire city and should be arrested if he even attempts to do so.

I dont know since it started the whole city is calling for "peaceful protest". They are lobbying for law changes and calling for people to use there heads this time. So if one march goes down without a permit and everyone is arrested (and released 2 hours later) is that a shut down of the city? It just seems like some people WANT to see a riot so they can say there goes Sharpton starting a riot again.
It seems pretty organized and peaceful. No different then tree huggers sitting in the streets because McDonalds use styrofoam.
I'm mad that that this thread actually has me defending Al Fuckin Sharpton. Well its more defending civil rights. I'm gonna go drink now. :drunk:

[Jujubees2]

I dont know since it started the whole city is calling for "peaceful protest". They are lobbying for law changes and calling for people to use there heads this time. So if one march goes down without a permit and everyone is arrested (and released 2 hours later) is that a shut down of the city? It just seems like some people WANT to see a riot so they can say there goes Sharpton starting a riot again.
It seems pretty organized and peaceful. No different then tree huggers sitting in the streets because McDonalds use styrofoam.
I'm mad that that this thread actually has me defending Al Fuckin Sharpton. Well its more defending civil rights. I'm gonna go drink now. :drunk:

Exactly. Whether Sharpton is a racist or not, he has a right to a peaceful protest just as any other person in this country. I think that gets lost when Sharpton organizes a protest because he is so polarizing.

[sr71blackbird]

I heard someone talking about this so I thought Id throw it out there... Do you think that there would be riots right now if it was not for Obama being in the position he is in? Did someone "make a call" to can any fueling of it? If so, does it mean that riots are manipulated?

[TheMojoPin]

I heard someone talking about this so I thought Id throw it out there... Do you think that there would be riots right now if it was not for Obama being in the position he is in? Did someone "make a call" to can any fueling of it? If so, does it mean that riots are manipulated?

What is any of this possibly based on besides Obama and Sharpton both being black?

[Furtherman]

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, Riot Phone!

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, Riooooooooot Phone!

[conman823]

I heard someone talking about this so I thought Id throw it out there... Do you think that there would be riots right now if it was not for Obama being in the position he is in? Did someone "make a call" to can any fueling of it? If so, does it mean that riots are manipulated?

Not really since Sharpton is out there basically calling Obama an Uncle Tom. Do you really think Sharpton takes orders from anyone? He's too self serving for that.