Heroes Volume 3

[King Imp]

New Hero, or should I say Villian, announced (http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/09/tv.heroes.ap/index.html)

[JustJon]

If it's as bad as season 2, I'm out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it's as bad as season 2, I'm out.

Can we just have the twins mysteriously vanish?

And flyboy?

And... who else?

[StupidGirlllll]

Can we just have the twins mysteriously vanish?

And flyboy?

And... who else?


Didn't one of the twins get killed by the cockroach( sorry it has been awhile since I saw the show I forgot some of the names )

[cougarjake13]

yeh sylar killed the brother

[spadanko]

Web episode trailer

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[King Imp]

Web episode trailer

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Are they gonna call him Black Bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bolt)?

[WampusCrandle]

i will certainly watch it - couldn't have been worse than the second season

[cougarjake13]

been waiting since season 2 end



2 wasnt as great but still ok and hopefully this season is an improvement

[Furtherman]

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[Doctor Manhattan]

I really wanted to like this show, but by the end of Season 1 (right about when Linderman died) and the weak Season 2. I am not sure I can hold on for a whole other season.

Did they just dump the one-off shows (the first to be directed by Kevin Smith) I think it was going to be called Heroes: Origins or something like that.

[WampusCrandle]

I really wanted to like this show, but by the end of Season 1 (right about when Linderman died) and the weak Season 2. I am not sure I can hold on for a whole other season.

Did they just dump the one-off shows (the first to be directed by Kevin Smith) I think it was going to be called Heroes: Origins or something like that.

yeah, it was decided that they were going to cancel it, which blows. i would have really liked to see what Kevin Smith was going to do with his episode. oh well.....

[Willmore]

when the show was announced, I didn't even consider watching it. But when the show got some buzz, and there was positive feedback, I decided to give it a chance. It turned out that the pilot was pretty damn great, however the show has way too many weak spots to work. Suresh, The Cheerleader and others are dead weight.

It became apparent when they had the potential future episode, after the war, with the scarred Peter Petrelli and a far darker universe. That was interesting and exciting. If they did a show about that, or, even better, the actual war between the Heroes and the normals, that would be pretty damn interesting.

This current storyline better deliver something really fast, or is will be another pointless 20 hours of TV.

[cougarjake13]

It became apparent when they had the potential future episode, after the war, with the scarred Peter Petrelli and a far darker universe. That was interesting and exciting. If they did a show about that, or, even better, the actual war between the Heroes and the normals, that would be pretty damn interesting.

This current storyline better deliver something really fast, or is will be another pointless 20 hours of TV.


well hopefully with this seasons villians you'll get some of that

[Furtherman]

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[JustJon]

I really wanted to like this show, but by the end of Season 1 (right about when Linderman died) and the weak Season 2. I am not sure I can hold on for a whole other season.

Did they just dump the one-off shows (the first to be directed by Kevin Smith) I think it was going to be called Heroes: Origins or something like that.

Writer's Strike killed it.

[BeerBandit]

I wish I was more jazzed about this season. I wasn't that impressed with the end of season 1, but the Hiro cliffhanger brought me back for season 2. Then the debacle that was season 2 confirmed my suspicions that it's just not a good show. I'll give it a watch for 2 or 3 weeks, mainly because I want to like it, but if it doesn't get me, I'm done.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The problem is, they keep fucking killing the awesome villians. There was NO FUCKING REASON to kill Linderman and Eric Roberts. Both were brilliantly awesome in their own way.

[cougarjake13]

The problem is, they keep fucking killing the awesome villians. There was NO FUCKING REASON to kill Linderman and Eric Roberts. Both were brilliantly awesome in their own way.

well they brought back DL when we thought he was dead

they brought back nikki when we thought she was dead

and i remember seeing a preview that had linderman in it and his voice

[RingWraith]

The problem is, they keep fucking killing the awesome villians. There was NO FUCKING REASON to kill Linderman and Eric Roberts. Both were brilliantly awesome in their own way.


I feel ya! I'm always annoyed when great villians get killed off. But I am looking forward to Season 3.
And Sylar is an awesome villian in Heroes.

[cougarjake13]

I feel ya! I'm always annoyed when great villians get killed off. But I am looking forward to Season 3.
And Sylar is an awesome villian in Heroes.



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[PD]

OK, season premier tonight.

Is anyone looking forward to this, or did it jump ship season 2?

[JustJon]

My tivo is set 9-11 (not bothering with the bullshit 8-9 preview/premiere), but I like the idea of introducing villains into that world.

[Freitag]

My tivo is set 9-11

Never forget the Heroes from 9-11.

wait, what?


I don't know if anyone posted it yet, but there was this awesome Heroes promo poster of Claire split in two sides - Nice Blonde Claire on on side and Evil Brunette Future Claire on the other side.

It looks like the other twin is still around because she's prominently featured on billboards and stuff.

I'm going to watch tonight and hope it'll be salvaged. I think the specter of the strike hung over season 2 and the rushed finish is what killed it.

I want to see Future Hiro. He's probably the best character outside of Linderman.

[WampusCrandle]

Never forget the Heroes from 9-11.

wait, what?


I don't know if anyone posted it yet, but there was this awesome Heroes promo poster of Claire split in two sides - Nice Blonde Claire on on side and Evil Brunette Future Claire on the other side.

It looks like the other twin is still around because she's prominently featured on billboards and stuff.

I'm going to watch tonight and hope it'll be salvaged. I think the specter of the strike hung over season 2 and the rushed finish is what killed it.

I want to see Future Hiro. He's probably the best character outside of Linderman.

i personally cant wait for tonight. they creators promised that they are going back to basics, getting action and creativity, no LOVE GARBAGE!

[IamFogHat]

I really hope they get back on track. I've never enjoyed a show so much that was written so poorly.

[MisterSmith]

I really hope they get back on track. I've never enjoyed a show so much that was written so poorly.

:lol: I feel very much the same way.

I have watched Heroes religiously despite how bad the writing was, always hoping that they would get back on track. Hopefully releasing the specter of an impending writer's strike will allow the show to take its time and do things the right way this season.

[zathrus]

Hopefully, they explain what his Peter's mom has to do with the people kept in section 5?

MrSmith, you're really the Doctor. The last of the Time Lords.

[WampusCrandle]

:lol: I feel very much the same way.

I have watched Heroes religiously despite how bad the writing was, always hoping that they would get back on track. Hopefully releasing the specter of an impending writer's strike will allow the show to take its time and do things the right way this season.

thats exactly what i have done. the writing is ok, the strike didnt help one bit, but i still watch. im 3 hours will be the new episode - i cant wait.

My penis may explode!

[WampusCrandle]

Hopefully, they explain what his Peter's mom has to do with the people kept in section 5?

MrSmith, you're really the Doctor. The last of the Time Lords.

did you see some of the deleted scenes in season 2? there was a scene involving Angela Petrelli walking around lvl 5 - seeing dead heroes everywhere! and standing together is elle, sylar, one of the new villians, and, i believe, Nikki.

anyone else see it?

[cougarjake13]

OK, season premier tonight.

Is anyone looking forward to this, or did it jump ship season 2?



im pumped

its been set to record on my dvr since last tuesday

[cougarjake13]

did you see some of the deleted scenes in season 2? there was a scene involving Angela Petrelli walking around lvl 5 - seeing dead heroes everywhere! and standing together is elle, sylar, one of the new villians, and, i believe, Nikki.

anyone else see it?



fuck no

whered you see that ??

[WampusCrandle]

fuck no

whered you see that ??

it's on the last disk of heroes season 2. i fuckin' flipped when i saw it. in it claire is ripped to pieces and decapitated.

i was wondering myself why they had that scene, and why the cut it out. they answered that because the season was going to end early because of the strike, they decided to take it out and make it into season 3. technically, season 3 is part of season two.

[WampusCrandle]

i also forgot to mention that when Angela Petrelli was walking through lvl 5, she woke up, seemingly from either a day dream, remembering what just happened, or saw into the future. any way you look at it, she seemed pretty worried/ afraid.

[cougarjake13]

it's on the last disk of heroes season 2. i fuckin' flipped when i saw it. in it claire is ripped to pieces and decapitated.

i was wondering myself why they had that scene, and why the cut it out. they answered that because the season was going to end early because of the strike, they decided to take it out and make it into season 3. technically, season 3 is part of season two.




ahhh dont have the seasons on dvd yet

[Chimee]

I don't like how future Peter has the "tough guy" scar across his face.

[WampusCrandle]

i like that future claire has brown hair ..... very nice :happy:

[PD]

i also forgot to mention that when Angela Petrelli was walking through lvl 5, she woke up, seemingly from either a day dream, remembering what just happened, or saw into the future. any way you look at it, she seemed pretty worried/ afraid.
well, now we know where that is being used- this season.

[IamFogHat]

That's not what the butterfly effect means:wallbash:

[Chimee]

Did Suresh get bitten by a radioactive spider?

[IamFogHat]

Did Suresh get bitten by a radioactive spider?

Or he's on black beauties.

[PD]

That's not what the butterfly effect means:wallbash:

I think she knew that.

More Stunt casting!



http://timstvshowcase.com/greatestamericanhero0.jpg

[IamFogHat]

Um head shots, motherfucker. Take em.

[Space Edge]

Glad this show is back it has been a real long time.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Definitely better than last season. Very gory. Shit, William Katt had all of two scenes, but he had the reverse fate of the scumbag reporter in Silence of the Lambs.

[Chimee]

The show really seems to be all over the place, but once again they've done enough to keep me watching just to see where it's all going.

[spadanko]

good fucking shit

[jennysmurf]

Oh, sorry. I thought this was "Herpes Volume 3." I was checking for a friend of mine. Honest.

[King Imp]

I like where they are going, or at least where it appears they are going with this season. Of course, there will be the little things that drive people nuts.

First off, Peter has every fucking ability he could ever want, yet his solution was to go back in time and shoot his brother. How about you go a little further back and tell him what going public will do to them in the future. Speaking of Peter, how long is it gonna take for someone to realize a guy with regenerative abilities has a scar on his face and ask him what is the deal?

So, how the hell can Speedy Girl not be affected by Hiro's time stoppage? Does her incredible speed negate what Hiro does and if so, wouldn't it make her move normally if they just cancel each other out?

Maya may have been considered a waste by most last season, but I really hope they keep her around. She has an unbelievable body on her. Oh, and speaking of waste of time characters, Niki/Jessica/Tracy's new ability is sweet. I'd like to see Claire not die after that touch.

So, to me it looks like Sylar may end up being on the "good" team this season to help fight against these Level 5 guys. That will kinda be cool if he and possibly his brother Peter, based on what Angela said, teamed up. Although, based on their abilities, I really couldn't see Peter having a problem with any of them on his own. Ooh, someone gets super strong when preying on your fears. Stop time and cut his head off. Look out, Magneto is in the house. Same solution for him and the other two. Then again, this is a moron who chose to shoot his brother instead of taking a more reasonable approach. Sorry, what was I thinking.

[StupidGirlllll]

So, how the hell can Speedy Girl not be affected by Hiro's time stoppage? Does her incredible speed negate what Hiro does and if so, wouldn't it make her move normally if they just cancel each other out?



Didn't he touch her thats why she was able to move? Because she was frozen along with her rainbow of light that led aahiro to her.

[patsopinion]

did you see that with skyler and the cheerleader

my mom was telling me to change the channel and we watched entorage when they ere in the strip club and didnt even phase her

and side note-
if she heals...
virgin every time?
just putting it out there

[Foster]

didn't see it yet...
I wonder if her power heals emotional wounds as well as physical ones?

[Caseyelan]

thanks for the spoiler

[Gmann]

I like where they are going, or at least where it appears they are going with this season. Of course, there will be the little things that drive people nuts.

First off, Peter has every fucking ability he could ever want, yet his solution was to go back in time and shoot his brother. How about you go a little further back and tell him what going public will do to them in the future. Speaking of Peter, how long is it gonna take for someone to realize a guy with regenerative abilities has a scar on his face and ask him what is the deal?

So, how the hell can Speedy Girl not be affected by Hiro's time stoppage? Does her incredible speed negate what Hiro does and if so, wouldn't it make her move normally if they just cancel each other out?

Maya may have been considered a waste by most last season, but I really hope they keep her around. She has an unbelievable body on her. Oh, and speaking of waste of time characters, Niki/Jessica/Tracy's new ability is sweet. I'd like to see Claire not die after that touch.

So, to me it looks like Sylar may end up being on the "good" team this season to help fight against these Level 5 guys. That will kinda be cool if he and possibly his brother Peter, based on what Angela said, teamed up. Although, based on their abilities, I really couldn't see Peter having a problem with any of them on his own. Ooh, someone gets super strong when preying on your fears. Stop time and cut his head off. Look out, Magneto is in the house. Same solution for him and the other two. Then again, this is a moron who chose to shoot his brother instead of taking a more reasonable approach. Sorry, what was I thinking.

Peter stinks.
End of last season with Adam and him in the Vault. Gee... why dont I read this guy's mind to make sure he's on the up and up.
All those powers and he's the biggest fucking dopey waste on the show. Kill him off and lets get on without him.

[Devo37]

rape and murder are okay on network tv. just make sure there's no nip showing for 1/100th of a second, or it's a million dollar fine. :blink:

[Furtherman]

There was no rape, unless you count brain rape as rape. Stop watching TV with your mom.

[reillyluck]

what is he talking about? is this about Heroes?

[Furtherman]

Definitely better than last season. Very gory. Shit, William Katt had all of two scenes, but he had the reverse fate of the scumbag reporter in Silence of the Lambs.

You mean Red Dragon.


Awesome episode. I'm glad Suresh is done with his "re-SEARCH" (hated how he said that) and is getting into the mix. Future Ando! Nice.

And they released Marlo Stanfield form "The Wire" at the end! Great casting choice. And I like how those villains spared no time into having some fun. This episode definitely hooked me for this season.

[Furtherman]

what is he talking about? is this about Heroes?

He's talking about Heroes, but what "rape" he's talking about, I have no idea.

[Doctor Manhattan]

thanks for the spoiler

Yeah, Thanks patsopinion. You could have used the Heroes thread for this spoiler. I am not reading that until I watch the show but now I might as well not. Thanks a bunch!

[Freitag]

There was a lot of cool stuff and a lot of weak stuff on last night's show.

GOOD:

- getting rid of Molly
- getting rid of Flyboy
- Getting rid of Bob
- FuturePeter's "disposal" of Matt
- Ando with powers
- The DVD "I told you not to open the safe!"
- Mama Petrelli's visions
- The Return of Linderman as Q
- Nathan turned God Warrior. It is so setting up a heel turn for Nathan, which I love.
- Daphne. I like her, but she looks and acts too much like Elle.


BAD:

- Both versions of Peter being mindboggling stupid

- Emo-Claire. The girl has had her body torn apart, watched a friend of hers die (because Sylar made a mistake), and watched her adoptive father get shot. I'm sorry, the inability to feel pain is the least of your worries.

- The Petrelli clan grows. Enough with this. Unless they retcon that Claire isn't related to the Petrellis, I'm sick of everyone being related to everyone else.

- I think it would be cool if Sylar, Nathan, and Peter were brothers, but I don't like Claire in that mix.

- Hiro getting increasingly stupid

- Maya whining

NOT SURE:

BrundleSuresh: Suresh has gotten increasingly heelish since last season. The idealist from the first season is gone.

Although if they are setting up a baby subplot with Maya, it's a total ripoff of "The Fly".

BTW, is having Maya in labor such a good idea? Everyone in a five mile radius will be dead.

And I ask again: Where's Peter's Irish girlfriend from last season??? Stuck in an alternate future?

[Knowledged_one]

didnt read the intermediary pages

but did anyone notice that the black guy with the fear powers is Marlow Stanfield?

[Knowledged_one]

Didn't he touch her thats why she was able to move? Because she was frozen along with her rainbow of light that led aahiro to her.

When he freezes time she moves at regular speed

[Furtherman]

And they released Marlo Stanfield form "The Wire" at the end! Great casting choice.


didnt read the intermediary pages

but did anyone notice that the black guy with the fear powers is Marlow Stanfield?

It was only 2 posts above. C'MHAN.

[Knowledged_one]

There was a lot of cool stuff and a lot of weak stuff on last night's show.

GOOD:

- getting rid of Molly
- getting rid of Flyboy
- Getting rid of Bob
- FuturePeter's "disposal" of Matt
- Ando with powers
- The DVD "I told you not to open the safe!"
- Mama Petrelli's visions
- The Return of Linderman as Q
- Nathan turned God Warrior. It is so setting up a heel turn for Nathan, which I love.
- Daphne. I like her, but she looks and acts too much like Elle.


BAD:

- Both versions of Peter being mindboggling stupid

- Emo-Claire. The girl has had her body torn apart, watched a friend of hers die (because Sylar made a mistake), and watched her adoptive father get shot. I'm sorry, the inability to feel pain is the least of your worries.

- The Petrelli clan grows. Enough with this. Unless they retcon that Claire isn't related to the Petrellis, I'm sick of everyone being related to everyone else.

- I think it would be cool if Sylar, Nathan, and Peter were brothers, but I don't like Claire in that mix.

- Hiro getting increasingly stupid

- Maya whining

NOT SURE:

BrundleSuresh: Suresh has gotten increasingly heelish since last season. The idealist from the first season is gone.

Although if they are setting up a baby subplot with Maya, it's a total ripoff of "The Fly".

BTW, is having Maya in labor such a good idea? Everyone in a five mile radius will be dead.

And I ask again: Where's Peter's Irish girlfriend from last season??? Stuck in an alternate future?

They did so much last night its so tough to take it all in and this season should be really good.

If Maya was that concerned with Suresh messing things up why not just kill him with her powers, she should have just taken him out.

HIs Irish Girlfriend is a good question - shes basically stuck in a future that no longer happened right? So therefore shes dead right?

And how can present day peter be in teh same timeframe as future peter that right there didnt make any sense.

Mama Petrelli is a bad ass

[Knowledged_one]

It was only 2 posts above. C'MHAN.

You highlighted the Red Dragon thing and thats all i read,

Like i said though i didnt bother to read all of the posts

Kudos to you for picking it up first

[StupidGirlllll]

How come nobody meantioned how Syler cut Claires head open & put it back together & told her she can never die. Or when Pete & Nathans mom told Syler he was her son. I think Syler is going to turn out to be a hero.

[PD]

yeah, there is a bunch of things that don't make sense- some of which is fine (yeah its a silly show)- I mean, if they have time travel ability, you can stop all sorts of stuff; or Hiro opening the safe after his father told him not to.

When did Maya learn how to speak English? didn't her brother translate last year?

It is a fun watch though; I find it more entertaining than Sara conner, so I didn't watch that last night.

[drusilla]

thanks for the spoiler

^^^

[Knowledged_one]

Its not a spoiler there was no rape scene or anything

Like someone said get out of your moms house and stop posting drivel especially when you just make things up

and it should have gone in the heroes thread

So just go and tell your mom to get me some meatloaf and be done with it

[WampusCrandle]

There was a lot of cool stuff and a lot of weak stuff on last night's show.

GOOD:

- getting rid of Molly
- getting rid of Flyboy
- Getting rid of Bob
- FuturePeter's "disposal" of Matt
- Ando with powers
- The DVD "I told you not to open the safe!"
- Mama Petrelli's visions
- The Return of Linderman as Q
- Nathan turned God Warrior. It is so setting up a heel turn for Nathan, which I love.
- Daphne. I like her, but she looks and acts too much like Elle.


BAD:

- Both versions of Peter being mindboggling stupid

- Emo-Claire. The girl has had her body torn apart, watched a friend of hers die (because Sylar made a mistake), and watched her adoptive father get shot. I'm sorry, the inability to feel pain is the least of your worries.

- The Petrelli clan grows. Enough with this. Unless they retcon that Claire isn't related to the Petrellis, I'm sick of everyone being related to everyone else.

- I think it would be cool if Sylar, Nathan, and Peter were brothers, but I don't like Claire in that mix.

- Hiro getting increasingly stupid

- Maya whining

NOT SURE:

BrundleSuresh: Suresh has gotten increasingly heelish since last season. The idealist from the first season is gone.

Although if they are setting up a baby subplot with Maya, it's a total ripoff of "The Fly".

BTW, is having Maya in labor such a good idea? Everyone in a five mile radius will be dead.

And I ask again: Where's Peter's Irish girlfriend from last season??? Stuck in an alternate future?

-that irish girlfriend is gone forever - bye bye!

-i really hope that Mohinder doesnt become a lame dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. my prediction is that he will turn into the Uluru the Invincible. that is one of the monsters that appear in the 9th wonder comics by Isaac Mendez.

-much of the comics have come to be in the first two episodes of the new season, and i really like that.

- i want to know what happened to Nikki when she saved Monica from that fire in New Orleans. and how she is now Tracy with the ability to freeze!

They did so much last night its so tough to take it all in and this season should be really good.

If Maya was that concerned with Suresh messing things up why not just kill him with her powers, she should have just taken him out.

HIs Irish Girlfriend is a good question - shes basically stuck in a future that no longer happened right? So therefore shes dead right?

And how can present day peter be in teh same timeframe as future peter that right there didnt make any sense.

Mama Petrelli is a bad ass

im gonna have to watch the first two episodes again - i feel like too much came to fast, but it was really good.

I've always been a massive fan of Mrs. Petrelli. In an odd way, she makes me hot and ...... and she now has the power to of precognitive dreaming. i knew she would have a power at some point. i think it fits her very well - it explains her mood sometimes.

gonna say that the irish girlfriend is not dead or alive. she doesnt exist anymore because she is in a time that no longer exists. but, i dont know how Heroes timetravel is working, especially with future peter fucking up the present.

can some one explain it to me?

[Knowledged_one]

-that irish girlfriend is gone forever - bye bye!

-i really hope that Mohinder doesnt become a lame dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. my prediction is that he will turn into the Uluru the Invincible. that is one of the monsters that appear in the 9th wonder comics by Isaac Mendez.

-much of the comics have come to be in the first two episodes of the new season, and i really like that.

- i want to know what happened to Nikki when she saved Monica from that fire in New Orleans. and how she is now Tracy with the ability to freeze!



im gonna have to watch the first two episodes again - i feel like too much came to fast, but it was really good.

I've always been a massive fan of Mrs. Petrelli. In an odd way, she makes me hot and ...... and she now has the power to of precognitive dreaming. i knew she would have a power at some point. i think it fits her very well - it explains her mood sometimes.

gonna say that the irish girlfriend is not dead or alive. she doesnt exist anymore because she is in a time that no longer exists. but, i dont know how Heroes timetravel is working, especially with future peter fucking up the present.

can some one explain it to me?

I dont think there is an easy way to understand it all, they gave you so much in teh two hours that now you have to watch the rest of the season with the hope they get tied up and not forgotten like stuff in Lost or the Sopranos

Also i want to see what the black guy in Africa can do hes basically the comic artist but draws on rocks and stuff right?

[WampusCrandle]

yeah, there is a bunch of things that don't make sense- some of which is fine (yeah its a silly show)- I mean, if they have time travel ability, you can stop all sorts of stuff; or Hiro opening the safe after his father told him not to.

When did Maya learn how to speak English? didn't her brother translate last year?

It is a fun watch though; I find it more entertaining than Sara conner, so I didn't watch that last night.

Maya always new english, she would translate for her brother.

[StupidGirlllll]

did you see that with skyler and the cheerleader

my mom was telling me to change the channel and we watched entorage when they ere in the strip club and didnt even phase her

and side note-
if she heals...
virgin every time?
just putting it out there


He did not rape her he fingered her brain but his face did look excited.

[King Imp]

When he freezes time she moves at regular speed

I know she was able to move fast after knocking Hiro down in the office, but wasn't time still stopped in her apartment and she still ran off?

[Knowledged_one]

I know she was able to move fast after knocking Hiro down in the office, but wasn't time still stopped in her apartment and she still ran off?

No, he unfroze time when she put the knife to Ando's throat because he had installed the tracking device in the medal

Besides if he hadnt and she had cut his throat then time would have been forever frozen because he wouldnt have wanted him to die, and like she said in the first part she was in time isnt really frozen just slowed down to an incredible rate that makes it appear frozen.

[Gmann]

I just liked how they finally revealed how Sylars powers works.

"eat your brain? Claire thats disgusting"

[patsopinion]

Yeah, Thanks patsopinion. You could have used the Heroes thread for this spoiler. I am not reading that until I watch the show but now I might as well not. Thanks a bunch!

it wasnt spoiling anything noplot elements

[spadanko]

I just liked how they finally revealed how Sylars powers works.

"eat your brain? Claire thats disgusting"


i thought that was pretty funny

[extracheese]

You forget that Sylar has a ton of powers already. How can anyone capture, or defeat him when he can do all of the following:

Telekinesis
Cryokinesis
Enhanced memory
Liquification
Enhanced hearing
Precognition through painting
Radiation manipulation
Cellular regeneration
Transmutation

He should be unstoppable.

The only question is - what is Sylar's true agenda.

[RingWraith]

You forget that Sylar has a ton of powers already. How can anyone capture, or defeat him when he can do all of the following:

Telekinesis
Cryokinesis
Enhanced memory
Liquification
Enhanced hearing
Precognition through painting
Radiation manipulation
Cellular regeneration
Transmutation

He should be unstoppable.

The only question is - what is Sylar's true agenda.

He should be unstoppable as well as Peter should be unstoppable. I guess the only way to at least get a shot at them is when you catch them by surprise and/or off guard like Elle did to Sylar when he tried to get her power.
I think Sylar is still a Villian. He's probably be hero for a short time to help stop the other guys from level 5, but in the end, he'll always look out for himself.

By the way, if they ever have a Peter vs. Sylar one on one fight, I fear the TV budget will not do it justice. It should be like an epic fight like a Neo vs. Agent Smith in Revolutions, but it will most likely won't. Unless they make a movie in the future. Who knows.

[WampusCrandle]

You forget that Sylar has a ton of powers already. How can anyone capture, or defeat him when he can do all of the following:

Telekinesis
Cryokinesis
Enhanced memory
Liquification
Enhanced hearing
Precognition through painting
Radiation manipulation
Cellular regeneration
Transmutation

He should be unstoppable.

The only question is - what is Sylar's true agenda.

-he also has the power of alchemy and possibly Maya's brother's power, though we dont know if he took it or not. he also has 6 unknown powers that we have yet to find out since his first six victims powers are unknown, besides the telekinesis.

He should be unstoppable as well as Peter should be unstoppable. I guess the only way to at least get a shot at them is when you catch them by surprise and/or off guard like Elle did to Sylar when he tried to get her power.
I think Sylar is still a Villian. He's probably be hero for a short time to help stop the other guys from level 5, but in the end, he'll always look out for himself.

By the way, if they ever have a Peter vs. Sylar one on one fight, I fear the TV budget will not do it justice. It should be like an epic fight like a Neo vs. Agent Smith in Revolutions, but it will most likely won't. Unless they make a movie in the future. Who knows.

one of the things that i would like to have answered is this: will Sylar be somewhat content now that he knows he has a family with true special qualities?

[StupidGirlllll]

Yeah, Thanks patsopinion. You could have used the Heroes thread for this spoiler. I am not reading that until I watch the show but now I might as well not. Thanks a bunch!


I think that once the show airs you can talk about it. Open season brother open season.

[King Imp]

No, he unfroze time when she put the knife to Ando's throat because he had installed the tracking device in the medal

Besides if he hadnt and she had cut his throat then time would have been forever frozen because he wouldnt have wanted him to die, and like she said in the first part she was in time isnt really frozen just slowed down to an incredible rate that makes it appear frozen.


Watching it again, I see that I did miss him restarting time. Thanks.
I like that his slowing down of time does negate her ability. At least they thought that one through.

The more I think about this, the more I really hope that Tracy is not Niki. I know you are supposed to suspend belief for this show, but this would be too much. I mean, there was no time lapse between the end of last season and this one. So, how does someone who has no work skills and was last paying the bills as an internet stripper become a top advisor to a congressman or senator (can't remember which) just like that?

[Knowledged_one]

I think that once the show airs you can talk about it. Open season brother open season.

Not to mention when its a lie its not a spoiler

[WampusCrandle]

Watching it again, I see that I did miss him restarting time. Thanks.
I like that his slowing down of time does negate her ability. At least they thought that one through.

The more I think about this, the more I really hope that Tracy is not Niki. I know you are supposed to suspend belief for this show, but this would be too much. I mean, there was no time lapse between the end of last season and this one. So, how does someone who has no work skills and was last paying the bills as an internet stripper become a top advisor to a congressman or senator (can't remember which) just like that?

my theory about Tracy/ Niki is this: there is a person who has the power to clone herself. So, somewhere out there, there is a person who is controlling multiple clones, and with each clone, they somehow have their own power.

sure, there is the possibility that there are two people who look and sound exactly alike, the same age, and both have super abilities, but come on.......

can anyone else thing of why they would have the same actress play two different characters?

[Knowledged_one]

my theory about Tracy/ Niki is this: there is a person who has the power to clone herself. So, somewhere out there, there is a person who is controlling multiple clones, and with each clone, they somehow have their own power.

sure, there is the possibility that there are two people who look and sound exactly alike, the same age, and both have super abilities, but come on.......

can anyone else thing of why they would have the same actress play two different characters?

well how about this - perhaps future Peter knew that Nicky was going to die after he has screwed up the future. So now in an attempt to rescue and save her he swooped in before the explosion took her to the future. She got injected with the serum from Suresh, which gave her the additional freeze power then HRGG friend wiped her old memories clear and they gave her new ones as a liasion. Since she already had the multiple personality thing happening she wouldnt remember this anyway

And time travel and messing up the past never works. It either screws up the story and makes it so convuluted it doesnt make sense, or it provides teh easy cop out answers in future episodes

[Chimee]

I just thought Tracy was another of her personalities that she didn't know about and I just shut off my mind when it comes to all the other stuff.

[WampusCrandle]

questions/ theories/ anthing you would like to see play out in season three of Heroes?

mine:
- i'ld like to see Mr. Petrelli (even though he is said to be dead) and have him go crazy
- find out more about the Company's Founders, some of their history, and their powers, if any

[Knowledged_one]

questions/ theories/ anthing you would like to see play out in season three of Heroes?

mine:
- i'ld like to see Mr. Petrelli (even though he is said to be dead) and have him go crazy
- find out more about the Company's Founders, some of their history, and their powers, if any

I read something in EW about this and they are bringing in Mr. Petrelli and even have the actor picked out and im to lazy to do a search for him but it will happen

[Freitag]

questions/ theories/ anthing you would like to see play out in season three of Heroes?

mine:
- i'ld like to see Mr. Petrelli (even though he is said to be dead) and have him go crazy
- find out more about the Company's Founders, some of their history, and their powers, if any

We know of at least four of the founders:

Bob
Taiko
Mrs. Petrelli
Parkman's Dad

[Knowledged_one]

We know of at least four of the founders:

Bob
Taiko
Mrs. Petrelli
Parkman's Dad

didnt they have a picture in last season with all of them

and wasnt Adam the immortal one of the founders also

[Knowledged_one]

We know of at least four of the founders:

Bob
Taiko
Mrs. Petrelli
Parkman's Dad

I dont think its a spoiler but this is what i found on wiki about the company so take it with a grain of salt

http://heroeswiki.com/The_Company%27s_founders

[StupidGirlllll]

So whats up with Linderman then? How come Nathan is the only 1 that can see him?

[Furtherman]

So whats up with Linderman then? How come Nathan is the only 1 that can see him?

Maybe that is a power of Linderman's... invisible to people he chooses.

[StupidGirlllll]

Maybe that is a power of Linderman's... invisible to people he chooses.

Yea but didn't Syler kill him? Maybe he is just in Nathan's mind.

[boonanas]

Yea but didn't Syler kill him? Maybe he is just in Nathan's mind.

It was Nikki or whatever's dark skinned boyfriend that "killed" Linderman with the invisible punch to the head.

[PD]

I just thought Tracy was another of her personalities that she didn't know about and I just shut off my mind when it comes to all the other stuff.

yeah; besides Jessica there was a personality Gina; It obviously still needs to be answered.

[Gmann]

Oh yeah and another thing.....

now that Sylar has Claires powers, WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF SEASON 1 ???

Save the Cheerleader, Save the Word!!

[WampusCrandle]

Maybe that is a power of Linderman's... invisible to people he chooses.

his power is to heal, i would be very surprised to see if he had another power.

Yea but didn't Syler kill him? Maybe he is just in Nathan's mind.

It was Nikki or whatever's dark skinned boyfriend that "killed" Linderman with the invisible punch to the head.

her boyfriends name is D.L. Hawkins, and he can "phase" through anything, like Linderman's head.

Oh yeah and another thing.....

now that Sylar has Claires powers, WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF SEASON 1 ???

Save the Cheerleader, Save the Word!!

well, from my understanding, claire wasn't supposed to have her head cut open by Sylar, but future pete fucked everything up, truly causing all the shit that happened in the second episode. so, in the "original timeline, she would have been fine and Sylar wouldn't have had her power.

[marky2bucks]

I think we are past spoiler alerts by thursday, right. If you haven't seen it yet and are just reading the thread, you are weird and stop reading now...

Niki's sister Jessica died when she was a kid (choked to death by alcoholic father), so Niki developed a split personality, powers, and hilarity ensues. So Tracy is actually Niki's real sister. Niki is really dead (for now). Tracy is not the same person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Sanders

I just noticed that the gun that Peter used with was taken from Claire's hands right before he time travelled. The cops picked it up.

Methinks Mohinder becomes addicted to the serum.

And Pat...

if she heals...
virgin every time?
just putting it out there:lol:

[JustJon]

What is up with Sylar being the third Petrelli brother? And it's rumored another Petrelli will be reveled in the cast this year.

[WampusCrandle]

I think we are past spoiler alerts by thursday, right. If you haven't seen it yet and are just reading the thread, you are weird and stop reading now...

Niki's sister Jessica died when she was a kid (choked to death by alcoholic father), so Niki developed a split personality, powers, and hilarity ensues. So Tracy is actually Niki's real sister. Niki is really dead (for now). Tracy is not the same person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Sanders

well, its wiki - anyone can add anything. but, if it's true, i wanna know how she got out of the fire? i can only assume that Tracy came out and used her ice power to stop the fire. still - it would seem odd that the Tracy personality knows tons of political shit and is ass deep in it without, somehow, not being noticed she went to Vegas to raise a family . . . i dont know

[Tenbatsuzen]

What is up with Sylar being the third Petrelli brother? And it's rumored another Petrelli will be reveled in the cast this year.

Mohinder!

[marky2bucks]

well, its wiki - anyone can add anything.

I knew I didn't make it up...

http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7B80EA498A-194F-4978-8020-4BA7EE63FBB1%7D

Later, in a shock Larter says she didn't see coming, it was revealed that Jessica was Niki's dead sister, who was strangled by their alcoholic father

[WampusCrandle]

I knew I didn't make it up...

http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7B80EA498A-194F-4978-8020-4BA7EE63FBB1%7D

i wasnt saying that you were making it up, im just saying that anyone can easily change the information on any wiki.

anyway, i didnt see anything about Tracy being Nikki's sister, and that is what i was referring, not the Nikki/ Jessica thing

[drusilla]

I think that once the show airs you can talk about it. Open season brother open season.

nope, thats what specific show/movie threads are for.

in no way did the thread title let us know that he was going to be talking about heroes so those of us who had not watched it yet had no way of knowing we should not read the content.

luckily it turns out that he didn't spoil anything, but how were were supposed to know that when we hadn't yet watched???

no LOVE GARBAGE!
seriously not happy with the "love scene" between mohinder & maya. unnecessary. mohinder is more annoying than ever.



Did Suresh get bitten by a radioactive spider?

tee hee



merged threads are weird.

[WampusCrandle]

seriously not happy with the "love scene" between mohinder & maya. unnecessary. mohinder is more annoying than ever.

in not happy with that or most of the "love"/ relationships in the show. except for Hiro and Charlie, that was about it. and i am not going to feel bad when Mohinder manifests into something horrible, my theory: Uluru (http://heroeswiki.com/Uluru)

[marky2bucks]

anyway, i didnt see anything about Tracy being Nikki's sister, and that is what i was referring, not the Nikki/ Jessica thing

It's my radio psychic / radio psychic. But it makes sense.

[WampusCrandle]

Niki's sister Jessica died when she was a kid (choked to death by alcoholic father), so Niki developed a split personality, powers, and hilarity ensues. So Tracy is actually Niki's real sister. Niki is really dead (for now). Tracy is not the same person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Sanders

It's my radio psychic / radio psychic. But it makes sense.


well, im gonna have to throw out my radio psychic-radio psychic: Tracy and Nikki/ Jessica/ Gina are 2 (tech. 3 because Jessica was had her own body at some point) are clones of an original hero, her power is cloning and she works with the company, mostly Linderman. And, each clone having had their own powers, the original can transfer the clones power to any other clone.

of course, i need to see what happened in New Orleans with the fire.

[Willmore]

The thing about Heroes and Lost is there are way too many episodes. If the shows were in England or on HBO with 6-12 episode seasons, the shows would be so much better.

Far too often it's apparent the writers are simply wasting time with irrelevant storylines.

[King Imp]

So, when looking at Daphne, does anyone else see Ellen Page with tits?

[Aggie]

I've given up trying to figure out this show. I still enjoy it and will keep watching but I don't even like theorizing about it anymore.

I used to think the cockroach symbolized something. :wacko:

[WampusCrandle]

I've given up trying to figure out this show. I still enjoy it and will keep watching but I don't even like theorizing about it anymore.

I used to think the cockroach symbolized something. :wacko:

yeah, i kept thinking that there would be something about cockroaches, but, alas, nothing

[Gmann]

So, when looking at Daphne, does anyone else see Ellen Page with tits?

I see a younger hotter version of Chiana from Farscape actually.

[disneyspy]

I see a younger hotter version of Chiana from Farscape actually.

that was exactly what i thiught,exactly

[StupidGirlllll]

I've given up trying to figure out this show. I still enjoy it and will keep watching but I don't even like theorizing about it anymore.

I used to think the cockroach symbolized something. :wacko:


Yea the cockroach symbolized immortality. Most of the time when you saw the cockroach ot was with Syler, & now that he has Clairs power he can not die.

[lleeder]

What is up with Sylar being the third Petrelli brother? And it's rumored another Petrelli will be reveled in the cast this year.

I hope its Toonces Petrelli.

[Gmann]

is his power to drive a car ?

[RingWraith]

I've given up trying to figure out this show. I still enjoy it and will keep watching but I don't even like theorizing about it anymore.

I used to think the cockroach symbolized something. :wacko:


I'm with ya. I really do enjoy watching this show, but I dare not try to figure it out. There's gonna be a ton of twists & turns for seasons to come that there'll be plenty of stuff that won't make sense. But besides that, it's just fun to watch.

[jab]

brundle-mohinder. blech.

[PD]

interesting 2nd episode. We see the beginnings of the relationship between Nikki and Tracey straus, but of course more tantalizing stuff.

We see Sylar being "almost" a good guy, but can't forget his hunger. We see Hiro screw up now be in section 5;

it seems future peter can touch present peter; se see the beginnings of Claire's decent into "the dark"?

nice.

[WampusCrandle]

interesting 2nd episode. We see the beginnings of the relationship between Nikki and Tracey straus, but of course more tantalizing stuff.

We see Sylar being "almost" a good guy, but can't forget his hunger. We see Hiro screw up now be in section 5;

it seems future peter can touch present peter; se see the beginnings of Claire's decent into "the dark"?

nice.

we can start to see a break down of Hiro/ Ando . . . . when the speedster called Hiro pikachu it made me giggle.

i can see that Claire is going to become kinda an annoying bitch in the future.

[MisterSmith]

I see a younger hotter version of Chiana from Farscape actually.

that was exactly what i thiught,exactly

Thank you! I was trying to figure out who she reminded me of and you guys nailed it. Daphne is also a little more curvy than Chiana, but the hair and attitude sure are similar.

[Freitag]

Show of hands, who wants to start calling Matt "Pac-Man"?

BTW, what's up with the Magic Walkman?

[WampusCrandle]

Show of hands, who wants to start calling Matt "Pac-Man"?

BTW, what's up with the Magic Walkman?

yes, yes i do.

i dont know, but i kinda like him better than issac mendez, plus, how is it that Pac-Man (damn you, Freitag) has the ability of precognition? was it from the drugs and music? i hope that isnt what it takes.

[RingWraith]

Show of hands, who wants to start calling Matt "Pac-Man"?

BTW, what's up with the Magic Walkman?

Actually I'm wondering what type of music is playin' in the walkman.

[Fallon]

Actually I'm wondering what type of music is playin' in the walkman.

Coldplay.

[IrishAlkey]

Sooooo, there's a shitload of cloned Nikki's? She's gonna' be on this show forever.

[Fallon]

Sooooo, there's a shitload of cloned Nikki's? She's gonna' be on this show forever.

Maybe one of them will be a good character?


Probably not.

[StupidGirlllll]

Sooooo, there's a shitload of cloned Nikki's? She's gonna' be on this show forever.

All of her charecters confuses me.

What happened to Mika's cousin the one who can imitate anything that she saw on tv?

[Gmann]

Whens Sylar gonna kill that fucking kid??
I cant stand him or his Shirley Temple haircut.

[MisterSmith]

yes, yes i do.

i dont know, but i kinda like him better than issac mendez, plus, how is it that Pac-Man (damn you, Freitag) has the ability of precognition? was it from the drugs and music? i hope that isnt what it takes.

It remains to be seen, but I don't think Pac-Man (also damning Frietag) has that particular power. I think that "look" is tied to the dream state or inner journey that he has to take. I could be completely wrong, especially since the show tends to change the rules to suit its needs. However, that is my current guess; Pac-Man is just being introspective.

BTW - what kind of BS power is it to only see the life/future of some white, middle class jackass from the USA? I would feel seriously gypped.

[WampusCrandle]

Sooooo, there's a shitload of cloned Nikki's? She's gonna' be on this show forever.

my theory: dr. zimmerman has an original Nikki, whose power is to clone herself. each of her clones have their own powers. thats my take on it.


It remains to be seen, but I don't think Pac-Man (also damning Frietag) has that particular power. I think that "look" is tied to the dream state or inner journey that he has to take. I could be completely wrong, especially since the show tends to change the rules to suit its needs. However, that is my current guess; Pac-Man is just being introspective.

BTW - what kind of BS power is it to only see the life/future of some white, middle class jackass from the USA? I would feel seriously gypped.

i wonder if maybe he can let others use his power....maybe?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Maybe one of them will be a good character?

Only if they can figure out a way to have another actor play one of the Nikki clones. I was disappointed to see Nikki's son back on the show. This would be a great chance to get rid of him with Nikki dead.

[WampusCrandle]

Only if they can figure out a way to have another actor play one of the Nikki clones. I was disappointed to see Nikki's son back on the show. This would be a great chance to get rid of him with Nikki dead.

i hope sylar just .... just ... EATS HIS BRAINZ!

i think that Tracy can become a really good, strong character, much more potential, i think, than Nikki/ Jessica. i vaguely remember that the end of season two had the questions "Who shot Nathan Petrelli?" and "Which Hero will die?" This summer they really didnt seem to care about the latter question ... well, it was answered.

[EliSnow]

I haven't read the entire thread, but after two eps, I think I'm ready to pull the plug on Heroes. I'm having a hard time believing certain plot points (such as Saresh's sudden discovery about how the powers work, and his sudden passion to give everyone powers). I can't believe that Hiro would have opened the safe.

I can't believe that they hyped up the danger of the villains on the fifth floor, but after two eps, all of them are dead or have been recaptured. Their continued freedom and havoc could have played so well for the whole year, but no, they are done after two eps.

And truthfully, I'm tired of the time travel angle. It's been done way too much.

I think I'll give it one more ep. But I think it will be coming off of the must record list.

[King Imp]

I can't believe that they hyped up the danger of the villains on the fifth floor, but after two eps, all of them are dead or have been recaptured. Their continued freedom and havoc could have played so well for the whole year, but no, they are done after two eps.

My main problem with the Level 5 villians is Mama Petrelli said to Elle that they were as bad, if not worse than Sylar, yet he just strolls into the bank and manhandles them like they didn't even have powers.

[WampusCrandle]

I haven't read the entire thread, but after two eps, I think I'm ready to pull the plug on Heroes. I'm having a hard time believing certain plot points (such as Saresh's sudden discovery about how the powers work, and his sudden passion to give everyone powers). I can't believe that Hiro would have opened the safe.

I can't believe that they hyped up the danger of the villains on the fifth floor, but after two eps, all of them are dead or have been recaptured. Their continued freedom and havoc could have played so well for the whole year, but no, they are done after two eps.

And truthfully, I'm tired of the time travel angle. It's been done way too much.

I think I'll give it one more ep. But I think it will be coming off of the must record list.

i thought that the first two episodes did a really good job of hooking people back into the show. im not crazy about the Saresh bit, though i have never been a fan of him to begin with. Knox is still free, but understandable that half of the dangerous lvl 5 are dead.

im tired of the time travel as well, and its confusing me because i have no idea what future peter is coming from and what future we are supposed to care about.

i kinda want the following characters killed off:
micha
molly
monica
... honestly, sylar. i just want him dead. i feel like he should just be dead so we can stop worrying about him. its almost like the writers are saving him for if they cant figure out what to do or how to get out of a situation....i dont know, you kinda got me thinking, EliSnow

[lleeder]

A problem I'm having with the show is now that Sylar has Claires power, who do I worry about him killing? He only wants powers to have powers, not to kill. If he wanted to kill he would just kill people at randomn. Why should the viewer care about him killing any of these other heroes at this point? Most of them don't seem to do anything positive or interesting with their powers. If Sylar kills every hero and takes all the powers I think the world would be a better place at this point.

[WampusCrandle]

A problem I'm having with the show is now that Sylar has Claires power, who do I worry about him killing? He only wants powers to have powers, not to kill. If he wanted to kill he would just kill people at randomn. Why should the viewer care about him killing any of these other heroes at this point? Most of them don't seem to do anything positive or interesting with their powers. If Sylar kills every hero and takes all the powers I think the world would be a better place at this point.

honestly, its conflicting. they want us to almost have sympathy with Sylar, and at this point, hate and have anger towards Claire, the complete opposite of season 1. as of now, i just want Sylar dead, and Claire . . . and a few others.

they could have had a great story line of lvl 5 and its prisoners . . . i feel like i could have almost written a better script....

[cougarjake13]

I don't like how future Peter has the "tough guy" scar across his face.



he has the ability to heal like claire so i dont understand why they keep giving him scars

[cougarjake13]

.

And I ask again: Where's Peter's Irish girlfriend from last season??? Stuck in an alternate future?



HIs Irish Girlfriend is a good question - shes basically stuck in a future that no longer happened right? So therefore shes dead right?




nope just in a different future

[RingWraith]

he has the ability to heal like claire so i dont understand why they keep giving him scars

He keeps the scar cause he wants to look "bad-ass" and "cool"!!! Besides, if you have superpowers, especially multiple ones, you can't look like an average joe. You gotta look the part!
Hell even knew future Hiro knew that.

el oh el!

[cougarjake13]

All of her charecters confuses me.

What happened to Mika's cousin the one who can imitate anything that she saw on tv?



she was walking away from the fire that allegedly killed nikki with mika the last we saw her

[Willmore]

Oddly, the show is starting to irritate me a bit. Maybe it's the large cast, but there are portions of episodes when I want to scream at the TV: "I don't care, get to characters that are half-interesting." And lately, that's not that many. Every character that used to be likable is not annoying to me.

Hiro is growing a giant ego.
Nikki/Tracy I couldn't care less about.
Nathan's religious awakening is a bit forced.
Peter/future Peter just annoy me with bad acting.

Hayden has no range, so why is her character being evolved, she obviously can't handle different roles. She was playing a cheerleeder in the future when she was supposed to be some sort of mater assassin type.

Maya, Suresh, Parkman, HRG, Sylar, annoy annoy annoy just kill them all.

The only character that hasn't annoyed me yet was Elle, primarily because of Bell.

I'll watch the show, but it's losing me.

[cougarjake13]

my main problem is they seem to cram 2 hours of an episode into 1 hour

and bounce all over to touch on a few concurrent storylines

we cant follow all the heroes and what theyre doing each week


maybe focus on a few at a time unless they all meet together to fight some foe

[MisterSmith]

I haven't read the entire thread, but after two eps, I think I'm ready to pull the plug on Heroes. I'm having a hard time believing certain plot points (such as Saresh's sudden discovery about how the powers work, and his sudden passion to give everyone powers). I can't believe that Hiro would have opened the safe.

I can't believe that they hyped up the danger of the villains on the fifth floor, but after two eps, all of them are dead or have been recaptured. Their continued freedom and havoc could have played so well for the whole year, but no, they are done after two eps.

And truthfully, I'm tired of the time travel angle. It's been done way too much.

I think I'll give it one more ep. But I think it will be coming off of the must record list.

I swear they said there were a dozen prisoners that escaped from level 5. Obviously they focused on a core group but I thought there were still more villains to hunt.

[WampusCrandle]

I swear they said there were a dozen prisoners that escaped from level 5. Obviously they focused on a core group but I thought there were still more villains to hunt.

after rewatching that episode, its true, there are more that are out there.

[MisterSmith]

after rewatching that episode, its true, there are more that are out there.

Thanks for the backup. :thumbup:

I also just found the Heroes Wiki which mentions it too:

Elle tells her that they caught Sylar, but Angela reminds her that her ability shut down the grid, which let out twelve inmates who are just as bad, if not worse than, Sylar. (http://heroeswiki.com/The_Butterfly_Effect)

[EliSnow]

I swear they said there were a dozen prisoners that escaped from level 5. Obviously they focused on a core group but I thought there were still more villains to hunt.

after rewatching that episode, its true, there are more that are out there.

Okay, then this is another example of why the show stinks. The only Level 5 people they showed in the first episode were those that have already been killed or captured. Show a couple of others while captured and after escape to emphasize that there are still some out there, and to increase the drama that some really really scary villains maybe the scariest, are still at large. You wouldn't even have to show them using their powers, because that would allow the viewer to imagine how scary these villains' powers really are.

[Furtherman]

Isn't the one villan - Marlo from The Wire - still on the loose? Sylar only caught Yelling Loud Man and the German Magneto was killed.

[WampusCrandle]

Isn't the one villan - Marlo from The Wire - still on the loose? Sylar only caught Yelling Loud Man and the German Magneto was killed.

yep, he's still out there

[Morningkill]

yep, he's still out there

I'm interested to see how major a player he becomes. Hopefully, he won't just be Sylar food three eps from now.

[Aggie]

White people are so scared of angry black villians...

[WampusCrandle]

I'm interested to see how major a player he becomes. Hopefully, he won't just be Sylar food three eps from now.

honestly, i think he has a really interesting power and wish that sylar would just die.

White people are so scared of angry black villians...

art imitating life, i guess.....AHHHH, sorry thought i saw a black person

[King Imp]

Something just occured to me the other night. For some reason I just started thinking about the first episode of this season. I was thinking, why would Claire bother to pull a gun on Peter in the future, knowing that wouldn't hurt him. Then I thought, if he can't be hurt, why would he even need to stop time to avoid the shot. Then I thought of the scar on his face. That's when it hit me. Maybe somehow Peter loses Claire's ability in the future and he's no longer able to regenerate. That would explain the scar and why Claire would even think about shooting him.

Right now it seems ridiculous to think anyone would stand a chance against Peter, including Sylar as Peter has all of Sylar's abilities and then some. But, if he can be hurt and/or killed, that kinda levels the playing field in the ultimate battle.

[BeerBandit]

I've got one more (tonight's) episode in me. Nothing is believable on this show. You spend two years expressing Suresh's virtue and goodwill, then in 1 episode turn him into a power hungry maniac? I know Maya spoke English before, but she has absolutely no accent anymore. Sylar was THE ultimate Villain. He killed EVERYONE! Now let's forget all of that and turn him into an agent? WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT WHEN HE KILLS SOMEONE ELSE?

And I hate when unqualified writers use the "time travel device." If someone from the future changes the past, HE WON'T KNOW ABOUT IT! THE FUTURE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SET OUT TO PREVENT HAPPENING, DID NOT HAPPEN FOR YOU TO SET OUT TO CHANGE! CHANGE THE PAST CHANGES YOU!

[furie]

so sylar goes nuclear in an alternate future...
didn't see that one coming

[PD]

so sylar goes nuclear in an alternate future...
didn't see that one coming

I didn't see the "good sylar" coming.

[King Imp]

So, Peter is gonna become the new Sylar? Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.
Why would someone who automatically obtains abilities by being near them need to become a killer?

Oh, and that nuke explosion was unexpected.

[RingWraith]

So, Peter is gonna become the new Sylar? Sorry, but that doesn't work for me.
Why would someone who automatically obtains abilities by being near them need to become a killer?

Oh, and that nuke explosion was unexpected.


Cause just like in wrestling, everyone has to switch sides at least once. Pretty much almost everyone is switching roles.:dry:

[PD]

Why would someone who automatically obtains abilities by being near them need to become a killer? .
out of all of the implausibilities, that one didn't bother me.

Sylar's power is the ability to "understand" powers; they said several times that power comes at a cost- a hunger for more.

is it a great plot? not saying that, just they "explained" it.

I've got more issue with
Claire and group actually causing the nuke explosion, and then blaming Peter for it.

[Furtherman]

Bad Claire is about as scary as Wednesday Adams.

[stinkbud]

Bad Claire is about as scary as Wednesday Adams.

Both hot!

[IMSlacker]

Bad Claire is about as scary as Wednesday Adams.

When she was "torturing" Peter by wiping ketchup on him with a scalpel was one of the silliest things I've ever seen.

[JustJon]

When she was "torturing" Peter by wiping ketchup on him with a scalpel was one of the silliest things I've ever seen.

Yeah, that scalpel was poorly rigged and really obvious.

[WampusCrandle]

out of all of the implausibilities, that one didn't bother me.

Sylar's power is the ability to "understand" powers; they said several times that power comes at a cost- a hunger for more.

is it a great plot? not saying that, just they "explained" it.

I've got more issue with
Claire and group actually causing the nuke explosion, and then blaming Peter for it.

claire is pissing me off, though, I do like that she is evil. i hope she stays like that. not a huge fan of the flipflop of good and evil.

im pretty shocked that Sylar has a kid and who is the mother - and why name the kid after Noah?

[IrishAlkey]

Isn't Peter's power the ability to get everyone elses' powers just by comming into contact with them?

Why the fuck did he have to figure out how a watch worked to Get Sylar's power?

AND, why would Peter even need Sylar's power. It's the same shit, only Peter doesn't have to kill you to get it.

That was really dumb.

[WampusCrandle]

Isn't Peter's power the ability to get everyone elses' powers just by comming into contact with them?

Why the fuck did he have to figure out how a watch worked to Get Sylar's power?

AND, why would Peter even need Sylar's power. It's the same shit, only Peter doesn't have to kill you to get it.

That was really dumb.

the only reason that i can think of for that line of thinking in the show is that they want peter to become some savage animal like sylar . . . honestly, i have no idea why they needed to do this since, technically, peter already had sylar's power.

[Gmann]

You mean to tell me you lock up stupid Ando and Hiro in a jail built to hold extremely dangerously powered individuals and those 2 morons almost made a break out ???

WTF!!!

[Furtherman]

Isn't Peter's power the ability to get everyone elses' powers just by comming into contact with them?

Why the fuck did he have to figure out how a watch worked to Get Sylar's power?

AND, why would Peter even need Sylar's power. It's the same shit, only Peter doesn't have to kill you to get it.

That was really dumb.

Maybe he just wanted his watch fixed and was too lazy to do it.

[WampusCrandle]

You mean to tell me you lock up stupid Ando and Hiro in a jail built to hold extremely dangerously powered individuals and those 2 morons almost made a break out ???

WTF!!!

it takes team work to escape jail - that is the asian moral of the story.

[ChimneyFish]

Obviously pretty weak idea, but I'm pretty sure I noticed that Hiro & Ando were on "Level 2" as opposed to "Level 5" where all of the rest were.

[RingWraith]

Obviously pretty weak idea, but I'm pretty sure I noticed that Hiro & Ando were on "Level 2" as opposed to "Level 5" where all of the rest were.

So... What level a Magneto would be??? Or better yet, which villians from marvel/DC Universe are considered a level 1 or 2 compared to a level 5 ones???

[Knowledged_one]

First marlowe now bubbles if omar shows up as a gay company man i may need tn change my shorts

[PD]

well know we know how Lindeman can be there even if he is dead....

[StupidGirlllll]

This show is really getting confusing...people you thought where dead aren't but are they? I am losing interest quickly.. I really wish they would just have the Sylar show with special guest star Peter Patrelli thats it nobody else.

[zathrus]

So peter's father finally makes an appearance. It'll be interesting to see what they do with him. How can me make peter's mother not be able to move? Speaking of his mother at least now we know what her power is..to see the future. With linderman, I knew someone was behind that one, but not the cops father. I thought he was killed in season 1. So, nathan's powers were given to him, not natural. Poor Mia, didn't know when to get the hell out. Suresh is now a mad man that is turning into a spider? I'm getting so confused.

[Reynolds]

Getting all the actors from The Wire in there (Marlo and Bubbles). Andre Royo (Bubbles) is actually a good actor, which is why he didn't work on the show.

[Furtherman]

First marlowe now bubbles if omar shows up as a gay company man i may need tn change my shorts

Bubbles makes vortexes!

But now he's gone. I was hoping he'd stick around.

And the Puppetmaster is awesomely creepy.

[StupidGirlllll]

Bubbles makes vortexes!

But now he's gone. I was hoping he'd stick around.

And the Puppetmaster is awesomely creepy.

He will be probably be back...No1 actually knows where the vortex leads to.

[Freitag]

Every single writer on this show has made every single character an idiot.

Since there is black holes and time travel involved, my suggestion is to trap Hiro and Ando in a new world and they can't get back to the original Heroes universe - effectively re-booting the show. Same characters, different motivations, and maybe even different powers.

Do the following:

Heel turn Nathan. Re-create Jim Profit with Superpowers. Switch his flying power with Parkman's mind control.

Face turn Tracy.

Peter remains "good" but less stupid.

Suresh is with the Company, with Maya as his partner.


There's other stuff here, I need to think about it.

[Knowledged_one]

He will be probably be back...No1 actually knows where the vortex leads to.

It leads to one of the DHARMA stations on Lost is my guess

[Chimee]

It would explain how they can keep adding new characters to a show about a fuckin' island.

[WampusCrandle]

So peter's father finally makes an appearance. It'll be interesting to see what they do with him. How can me make peter's mother not be able to move? Speaking of his mother at least now we know what her power is..to see the future. With linderman, I knew someone was behind that one, but not the cops father. I thought he was killed in season 1. So, nathan's powers were given to him, not natural. Poor Mia, didn't know when to get the hell out. Suresh is now a mad man that is turning into a spider? I'm getting so confused.

i want to know exactly what mr. petrelli's power is - i might assume that it's like mind and body control, though it could be something way more narrow. we did know that her power was the ability to dream the future, which is a bit different in that she can only access her power through her dreams. she could possibly know how to use it when not asleep, but we havent seen that. i was surprised that Maury was working with Mr. Petrelli - i like that.

Bubbles makes vortexes!

But now he's gone. I was hoping he'd stick around.

And the Puppetmaster is awesomely creepy.

quite awesome and agreeable, that puppetmaster is a creepy pig....i like it

i like this evil turn for Hiro, i couldn't believe he stabbed Ando with a sword - damn pier pressure! i would like to know if the vortex maker is dead or not. the thing i am really interested in is if those that had their powers injected will turn like Surresh at any point, as well if it does something to their psyche. i want to know that if it would effect Peter and Sylar if they took powers of those that got them genetically or artificially.

and when do we get to see Elle again - Oi, i have a lil' school boy crush on her...

[PD]

i like this evil turn for Hiro, i couldn't believe he stabbed Ando with a sword -

In a previous episode in the future Ando kills Hiro; so there obviously will be more to this.

as for Parkman's father, I don't think he was actually killed before; I think he was trapped
http://heroeswiki.com/Maury_Parkman

I thought it interesting that he has lindemann tell Daphne that "Parkman can place thoughts in people's minds"; if I'm not mistaken, Parkman hasn't shown that he can do that yet.

[WampusCrandle]

In a previous episode in the future Ando kills Hiro; so there obviously will be more to this.

as for Parkman's father, I don't think he was actually killed before; I think he was trapped
http://heroeswiki.com/Maury_Parkman

I thought it interesting that he has lindemann tell Daphne that "Parkman can place thoughts in people's minds"; if I'm not mistaken, Parkman hasn't shown that he can do that yet.

i didnt think Maury was dead, but i would like to know how he got out of that psychic jail he was placed in by his son.

Parkman has actually done it before, when he was talking with the police chief, wanting to talk to Angela Petrelli, and he placed that thought in his head. it was in season 2.

[King Imp]

I'm getting the hots more and more for Daphne. :wub:

I just read this recently and never knew this before. Did you all know that the original storyline for Maya was that she was going to be the cure for that future plague that we saw last season? Not sure how they would have explained that, but at least she had some purpose other than being smoking hot.

[StupidGirlllll]

I'm getting the hots more and more for Daphne. :wub:

I just read this recently and never knew this before. Did you all know that the original storyline for Maya was that she was going to be the cure for that future plague that we saw last season? Not sure how they would have explained that, but at least she had some purpose other than being smoking hot.

I wanna know how the hell did she learn English so fast?

[Whiskeyportal]

I wanna know how the hell did she learn English so fast?

i know, right? l like seeing her side boobie though

[IMSlacker]

I wanna know how the hell did she learn English so fast?

Rosetta Stone?

[lleeder]

You guys are dumb if you think Hiro killed Ando. He stopped time came up with some plan and they faked the whole thing.

[Fallon]

You guys are dumb if you think Hiro killed Ando. He stopped time came up with some plan and they faked the whole thing.

Ketchup.

[King Imp]

You guys are dumb if you think Hiro killed Ando. He stopped time came up with some plan and they faked the whole thing.

I don't think he killed Ando, but the time stoppage part wouldn't be feasible in this case. It was my first thought when I saw it, but then I remembered that Daphne wouldn't be affected by this and would see the whole thing. Somehow going back in time would make more sense, but if that's the case, then why not just go back to before the bartender knocked Hiro out and make sure that doesn't happen.

[WampusCrandle]

I'm getting the hots more and more for Daphne. :wub:

I just read this recently and never knew this before. Did you all know that the original storyline for Maya was that she was going to be the cure for that future plague that we saw last season? Not sure how they would have explained that, but at least she had some purpose other than being smoking hot.

never knew that, but i guess it doesnt matter now since the virus isnt going to be spread

I wanna know how the hell did she learn English so fast?

i think she knew it from the first time we saw her.

You guys are dumb if you think Hiro killed Ando. He stopped time came up with some plan and they faked the whole thing.

YOU'RE DUMB!! just kidding, but i would like to see Hiro get a little evil. and, even if he didnt kill him, whether it was a plan or not, it can help explain why Ando was gonna kill Hiro in the future.

[PD]

, then why not just go back to before the bartender knocked Hiro out and make sure that doesn't happen.
or before daphne steals the formula and not open the safe this time....

[King Imp]

or before daphne steals the formula and not open the safe this time....

Exactly, and this is why I can't get into Hiro's character anymore. So many stupid decisions that could easily be remedied with these powers.

[Gmann]

Exactly, and this is why I can't get into Hiro's character anymore. So many stupid decisions that could easily be remedied with these powers.

Yeah, ummmm why didnt Sylar use his super hearing which he took from the fat mechanic chick from season 1, and hear HRG telling the Vortex guy to kill him.
I kept waiting for it....and nothing.

I don't think the writers realize what powers they're just giving out all willy-nilly while writing the storylines.

[WampusCrandle]

Yeah, ummmm why didnt Sylar use his super hearing which he took from the fat mechanic chick from season 1, and hear HRG telling the Vortex guy to kill him.
I kept waiting for it....and nothing.

I don't think the writers realize what powers they're just giving out all willy-nilly while writing the storylines.

i'll say that i was pretty surprised that Sylar didnt hear it, unless he pretended to not hear it, though i cant think of a good reason for it. at any rate, that was stupid of the writers to not have remembered that.

[Furtherman]

Yeah, ummmm why didnt Sylar use his super hearing which he took from the fat mechanic chick from season 1, and hear HRG telling the Vortex guy to kill him.
I kept waiting for it....and nothing.

I don't think the writers realize what powers they're just giving out all willy-nilly while writing the storylines.

i'll say that i was pretty surprised that Sylar didnt hear it, unless he pretended to not hear it, though i cant think of a good reason for it. at any rate, that was stupid of the writers to not have remembered that.

He did hear it. He said he heard it while sitting in the backseat of the car in the next scene.

[IMSlacker]

He did hear it. He said he heard it while sitting in the backseat of the car in the next scene.

Did he say he heard it, or did he just deduce that's what they were talking about? Please don't make me re-watch it.

[Furtherman]

Did he say he heard it, or did he just deduce that's what they were talking about? Please don't make me re-watch it.

Re-watch it! I'll forget to ask about it later.

[King Imp]

Yeah, ummmm why didnt Sylar use his super hearing which he took from the fat mechanic chick from season 1, and hear HRG telling the Vortex guy to kill him.
I kept waiting for it....and nothing.

I don't think the writers realize what powers they're just giving out all willy-nilly while writing the storylines.

My thoughts exactly during that scene. All I could think to myself was "You have super hearing dummy! Use it!"

[lleeder]

HRG should have held his glove in front of face like pitchers do when they talk to the catcher.

[Tall_James]

When is Syler going to jump over that shark tank with the waterskis?

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

When is Syler going to jump over that shark tank with the waterskis?
As soon as Pinky Tuscadaro pulls her gum.

[IMSlacker]

Re-watch it! I'll forget to ask about it later.

I re-watched. Syler never said he heard it, but he definitely knew what was going on by the time they were all in the car together.

But, during the scene where HRG was trying to get Vortex guy to kill Syler, there was a shot that seemed to be from Syler's POV, and you can't hear what is being said, implying that Syler can't hear it either.

This show sucks. But, I'll probably keep watching anyway.

[lleeder]

You guys are dumb if you think Hiro killed Ando. He stopped time came up with some plan and they faked the whole thing.

Lleeder you so smart. I thought tonights episode was the best since season 1. Peter will rediscover his abilities like when he learned them the first time, by falling off a building.

[RingWraith]

That was a great episode. So far I'm really enjoying this season. Although I do wish Sylar stayed a villain.

[King Imp]

I really wanted to be pissed at the writers for forgetting that Daphne wasn't affected by Hiro stopping time, but then it occured to me that maybe she only negates his ability if she's moving super fast at the time. If she's not using her ability, then she is affected like anyone else. Then I was pissed at myself for not realizing this last week.

Damn, Papa Petrelli really has one hell of an ability. Gonna be intresting to see how he's taken down and by who.

So, it looks like I may have been on to something a couple of week's ago.
Something just occured to me the other night. For some reason I just started thinking about the first episode of this season. I was thinking, why would Claire bother to pull a gun on Peter in the future, knowing that wouldn't hurt him. Then I thought, if he can't be hurt, why would he even need to stop time to avoid the shot. Then I thought of the scar on his face. That's when it hit me. Maybe somehow Peter loses Claire's ability in the future and he's no longer able to regenerate. That would explain the scar and why Claire would even think about shooting him.

Guess we know now how he's going to get that scar and not heal.

[MisterSmith]

I really wanted to be pissed at the writers for forgetting that Daphne wasn't affected by Hiro stopping time, but then it occured to me that maybe she only negates his ability if she's moving super fast at the time. If she's not using her ability, then she is affected like anyone else. Then I was pissed at myself for not realizing this last week.

Damn, Papa Petrelli really has one hell of an ability. Gonna be intresting to see how he's taken down and by who.

So, it looks like I may have been on to something a couple of week's ago.


Guess we know now how he's going to get that scar and not heal.

But he would only need to be in her vicinity to regain Claire's healing power; they don't even have to touch. Unless she is planning to spend all of her time with the Haitian.

[King Imp]

But he would only need to be in her vicinity to regain Claire's healing power; they don't even have to touch. Unless she is planning to spend all of her time with the Haitian.

Maybe injuries sustained before having the power can't be healed. Other than that, I really cannot come up with any reasons how someone who can heal has a scar.

[extracheese]

I was wondering why Matt wasnt reading Daphnes mind to learn her secret and her motives, but them i figured poppa parkman standing nearby can block Matt/Daphnes train of thought.
That marrionette dude's scene was intense. of course it was added as filler was basically unessesary except to show Her dad that she can handle herself.

Which Power would you want? Which is the best to have??

After much thought - each 'hero' can be defeated in some way. The Haitian cannot be killed since no power can be active in his presence...except they can grab a club and beat him to death, or just shoot him dead. But he is safest.

Hiro has powers that are great - but he is vulnerable. Parkman senior can alter your thoughts which could render him invulnerable, but he has to see it coming. A sneak attack could defeat him.

Sylar/Peter would be a good choice, taking others powers, but they get defeated every other episode...

[ChimneyFish]

That was a great episode. So far I'm really enjoying this season. Although I do wish Sylar stayed a villain.

I liked him as a villain, but for some reason, I like him even more as a "conflicted" hero.

[WampusCrandle]

I liked him as a villain, but for some reason, I like him even more as a "conflicted" hero.

i agree, i like to see a struggle, though i am semi-creeped out that Sylar throws around "brother" and "mother" like its going out of style.

I was wondering why Matt wasnt reading Daphnes mind to learn her secret and her motives, but them i figured poppa parkman standing nearby can block Matt/Daphnes train of thought.
That marrionette dude's scene was intense. of course it was added as filler was basically unessesary except to show Her dad that she can handle herself.

Which Power would you want? Which is the best to have??

After much thought - each 'hero' can be defeated in some way. The Haitian cannot be killed since no power can be active in his presence...except they can grab a club and beat him to death, or just shoot him dead. But he is safest.

Hiro has powers that are great - but he is vulnerable. Parkman senior can alter your thoughts which could render him invulnerable, but he has to see it coming. A sneak attack could defeat him.

Sylar/Peter would be a good choice, taking others powers, but they get defeated every other episode...

i would specifically like Claire's, Sylar's original power, or Nathan's - to fly is awesome.

[IamFogHat]

I know we're only 15 minutes in, but this episode so far is god awful. The guy from Jackie Brown is totally taking me out of this universe and making it seem contrived. Be more good before I abandon you Heroes.

[drusilla]

uh, what?

so fear makes him strong enough to punch completely through a person's body?

[fezident]

Sigh.
Another show that I've missed a lot of and now I gotta get the DVD sets, stay in for a 3 day weekend, and plow through the entire season while eating junkfood.

I've been thinking of smoking the pot. This clinches it.

[extracheese]

Great Episode! So far this season has been excellent.
So it would seem Sylar may be playing dear old dad just a bit while he figures out
whats what.
It seemed stupid to me that Mohindar could so easily defeat Sylar that way - all he has is super strength, while Sylar has numerous powers, including Claires invincible power, yet Sylar gets surprised and knocked out.

Also - Dosent Daphne know, especially after Matts display of Brain manipulation ,that he must know she is decieving him? How could he not pick that up??

If the show wanted to create a "who is really evil" - Arthur or Angela subplot, they answered that this episode with Arthurs cold blooded and seemingly unnecessary murder of Maury. He could simply have taken his power and let him live. Same with Matt. Arthurs killing spree makes him super- evil- bad guy.

Unrelated question: This Adam Monroe who died last week regenerating Arthur. He is a founder of the Company. He is also 400 yrs old. So isnt he the first person with powers? Wouldnt he be the key to all this? Yet he is dead.

[Tenbatsuzen]

People are very polarized on this season.

They either love it or hate it.

Maya may show the first shred of intelligence she's had all season bailing on Suresh.

But - I guarantee you - she'll show back up with a baby bump later this season.

[drusilla]

But - I guarantee you - she'll show back up with a baby bump later this season.

ugh

[extracheese]

But did Sylar save Peter from falling, or did Arthur? The exchange they had afterwards make it unclear.

[WampusCrandle]

uh, what?

so fear makes him strong enough to punch completely through a person's body?

remember: in the bank heist he punched right through the German and through steel

Sigh.
Another show that I've missed a lot of and now I gotta get the DVD sets, stay in for a 3 day weekend, and plow through the entire season while eating junkfood.

I've been thinking of smoking the pot. This clinches it.

well, apparently there isnt a new episode this coming monday, so you got two solid weeks!

People are very polarized on this season.

They either love it or hate it.

Maya may show the first shred of intelligence she's had all season bailing on Suresh.

But - I guarantee you - she'll show back up with a baby bump later this season.

i really hope that Maya would die. im sure she will show with some creepy, scaled, lizard baby.

Great Episode! So far this season has been excellent.
So it would seem Sylar may be playing dear old dad just a bit while he figures out
whats what.
It seemed stupid to me that Mohindar could so easily defeat Sylar that way - all he has is super strength, while Sylar has numerous powers, including Claires invincible power, yet Sylar gets surprised and knocked out.

Also - Dosent Daphne know, especially after Matts display of Brain manipulation ,that he must know she is decieving him? How could he not pick that up??

If the show wanted to create a "who is really evil" - Arthur or Angela subplot, they answered that this episode with Arthurs cold blooded and seemingly unnecessary murder of Maury. He could simply have taken his power and let him live. Same with Matt. Arthurs killing spree makes him super- evil- bad guy.

Unrelated question: This Adam Monroe who died last week regenerating Arthur. He is a founder of the Company. He is also 400 yrs old. So isnt he the first person with powers? Wouldnt he be the key to all this? Yet he is dead.

-its been a mixed season, but it has def. kept me for the rest of the season.
-i kinda hope that Mohinder would die. i'm tired of his false truth for knowledge.
-i feel like Matt is a bit clouded that he is gonna end up with a nice lil' hottie in the future. plus, i feel like he trusts her enough to not want to read her mind.
-i feel like both Arthur and Angela are evil, but Angela less so, but she is so cold, it's hard to tell. i want to know how Arthur put her in a coma. for that matter, i want to know if Angela has a intuitive aptitude, because she put herself, it seemed to me, in Sylar's dreams. and it would make sense since there are 3 in the family that have some form of it.
-i am confused why Arthur wouldn't take Maury's power, though he already had his type of power because he put Angela in the coma.
-Adam Monroe - he simply wasn't needed in anymore. knowing he was going to be one of the reasons for a bad future, which was changed, he became unneeded. I dont think it has been established that he was the first person with powers, and if you look in the comic book, there are those before him that had powers. now that the formula is being put together, and people are aware that using certain powers will be able to fix what they need, Adam seemed to become obsolete.

[drusilla]

remember: in the bank heist he punched right through the German and through steel



ahh i forgot about that

there's too much going on to remember everything

[fezident]

well, apparently there isnt a new episode this coming monday, so you got two solid weeks!



Nah.
I'm waaay behind.
The last time I saw this show, Spock was in some dingy apartment with Audrey from Little Shop Of Horrors and I think it was snowing in the living room or some shit. If memory serves, they were being surveilled (sp?) by somebody. Maybe Hiro. I dunno.

That feels like a million years ago.

[WampusCrandle]

Nah.
I'm waaay behind.
The last time I saw this show, Spock was in some dingy apartment with Audrey from Little Shop Of Horrors and I think it was snowing in the living room or some shit. If memory serves, they were being surveilled (sp?) by somebody. Maybe Hiro. I dunno.

That feels like a million years ago.

....wow.... catch up damn it. hell, its something to do until Lost comes back.

[WampusCrandle]

ahh i forgot about that

there's too much going on to remember everything

consider it practice for Lost. I'm re-watching the entire show....it's gonna be great

[drusilla]

yeah this past season was great. i can't wait for that to come back. lost definitely makes me crazier than heroes.

[WampusCrandle]

yeah this past season was great. i can't wait for that to come back. lost definitely makes me crazier than heroes.

true dat, DRUSILLA, true dat

[Doctor Manhattan]

Damn, Papa Petrelli really has one hell of an ability.

Isn't it basically the same power that Peter and Gabriel/Sylar have? Gabriel has to kill to take a power, Arthur has to touch to take the power while Peter just has to be close and doesn't actually take it away, just gains the power himself, I would say Peter had the best version but it looks like Arthur's is more powerful than Peter's so hats off to Robert Forester (also, finally a good actor on the show!)

[MisterSmith]

Isn't it basically the same power that Peter and Gabriel/Sylar have? Gabriel has to kill to take a power, Arthur has to touch to take the power while Peter just has to be close and doesn't actually take it away, just gains the power himself, I would say Peter had the best version but it looks like Arthur's is more powerful than Peter's so hats off to Robert Forester (also, finally a good actor on the show!)


That Remo Williams is a bad mother f@#$er!

[Freitag]

That Remo Williams is a bad mother f@#$er!

Uh... that's Fred Ward.

[MisterSmith]

Anybody else somewhat frustrated by the lack of power development? I mean, if I had amazing super powers I would constantly test myself, try to figure out exactly what I could do, and adapt the power I had in new ways.

A quick "for instance" - Claire could conceivably be VERY physically powerful.

Her endurance would be unmatched because her healing ability should counteract the buildup of fatigue poisons.
Her body heals so fast that it would be incredibly easy to build strength - as soon as the muscles micro-tear they would rebuild stronger so Claire wouldn't have to wait to get the advantages of working out.
She could test her blood to see if it could heal others (or at least find out what it could do).


I could go on, but it would be boring and geeky. Needless to say, some of these characters could and should be doing more with their powers.

[MisterSmith]

Uh... that's Fred Ward.

Duh.

[Freitag]

Anybody else somewhat frustrated by the lack of power development? I mean, if I had amazing super powers I would constantly test myself, try to figure out exactly what I could do, and adapt the power I had in new ways.

A quick "for instance" - Claire could conceivably be VERY physically powerful.

Her endurance would be unmatched because her healing ability should counteract the buildup of fatigue poisons.
Her body heals so fast that it would be incredibly easy to build strength - as soon as the muscles micro-tear they would rebuild stronger so Claire wouldn't have to wait to get the advantages of working out.
She could test her blood to see if it could heal others (or at least find out what it could do).


I could go on, but it would be boring and geeky. Needless to say, some of these characters could and should be doing more with their powers.


You forget that Claire doesn't like her powers all that much. She doesn't want to be different. The "hero" thing is a reaction to what Sylar did to her.

[JustJon]

Anybody else somewhat frustrated by the lack of power development?

Just power development? I'd settle for more character development.

[MisterSmith]

Just power development? I'd settle for more character development.

Sure, I would love more character development. However, we are in season 3 and still haven't gotten there. It seems like an easier fight to get power development; it doesn't take that much more effort on the part of the writers. :laugh:

You forget that Claire doesn't like her powers all that much. She doesn't want to be different. The "hero" thing is a reaction to what Sylar did to her.

You are right, but I just used Claire as the easiest example. However, if she was smart Claire would try to learn as much about her powers as she could. She already started by running her various experiments; just extend that.

I'm thinking of Hiro, who should know more than he does about powers and how they can develop since he is a comicbook fan. Daphne should be trying all sorts of crazy stuff with her speed power so she better knows how to get out of trouble and/or protect herself. Etc. - same could be said for almost everybody on the show.

I could go on a massive diatribe, but it would be boring and geeky. I just wish some of the characters would do more with what they have.

[Gmann]

The writers stink.

[spadanko]

uh, what?

so fear makes him strong enough to punch completely through a person's body?


also

It was all in his head. it was fake. Parkman put those thoughts there. You can see he looked a little surprised by it. But yeah he di punch through the guy in the bank too

[WampusCrandle]

Just power development? I'd settle for more character development.

i would too

Anybody else somewhat frustrated by the lack of power development? I mean, if I had amazing super powers I would constantly test myself, try to figure out exactly what I could do, and adapt the power I had in new ways.

A quick "for instance" - Claire could conceivably be VERY physically powerful.

Her endurance would be unmatched because her healing ability should counteract the buildup of fatigue poisons.
Her body heals so fast that it would be incredibly easy to build strength - as soon as the muscles micro-tear they would rebuild stronger so Claire wouldn't have to wait to get the advantages of working out.
She could test her blood to see if it could heal others (or at least find out what it could do).


I could go on, but it would be boring and geeky. Needless to say, some of these characters could and should be doing more with their powers.

i always thought Hiro would be great in that instance:
-Hiro can stop/ speed/ alter time
-He could potentially touch someone, while going through time, and age them to their 80s.
-vice versa, he could potentially change the age of an old person to their 20s.

Sure, I would love more character development. However, we are in season 3 and still haven't gotten there. It seems like an easier fight to get power development; it doesn't take that much more effort on the part of the writers. :laugh:



You are right, but I just used Claire as the easiest example. However, if she was smart Claire would try to learn as much about her powers as she could. She already started by running her various experiments; just extend that.

I'm thinking of Hiro, who should know more than he does about powers and how they can develop since he is a comicbook fan. Daphne should be trying all sorts of crazy stuff with her speed power so she better knows how to get out of trouble and/or protect herself. Etc. - same could be said for almost everybody on the show.

I could go on a massive diatribe, but it would be boring and geeky. I just wish some of the characters would do more with what they have.

please go on, i love this stuff.

so, i was at the train station, waiting in the rain, when i saw EW issue with Heroes on the front. it had a great article on Heroes, and 5 ways to help the show be great like the first season:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20235213,00.html

if you don't want to read the entire thing, here's a summary:
5 Problems:
1) too many Heroes
2) absurd plot twists
3) over-heightened reality
4) stale storytelling/ predictable
5) too disposable/ could go on forever

EW's solution:
1) get rid of half of the Heroes, whether killing or just making them move
2) make Heroes more intelligent, more common sense
3) get back to the roots of Heroes (make the relatable to normal people)
4) write better (obviously) and refresh the settings of where the Heroes are
5) give an end date like LOST.

i actually agreed with the article, though i disagreed with one or two things. but they give hope that the 4th volume could be a great revival.

[drusilla]

also

It was all in his head. it was fake. Parkman put those thoughts there. You can see he looked a little surprised by it. But yeah he di punch through the guy in the bank too

did he? i didn't notice that he looked surprised. i was bothered by the fact that he didn't seem to think it was such a weird thing to do.

[WampusCrandle]

did he? i didn't notice that he looked surprised. i was bothered by the fact that he didn't seem to think it was such a weird thing to do.

yeah, matt did do that, and Knox did seem that it was a bit to easy to do what he did.

[MisterSmith]

i would too



i always thought Hiro would be great in that instance:
-Hiro can stop/ speed/ alter time
-He could potentially touch someone, while going through time, and age them to their 80s.
-vice versa, he could potentially change the age of an old person to their 20s.



please go on, i love this stuff.

so, i was at the train station, waiting in the rain, when i saw EW issue with Heroes on the front. it had a great article on Heroes, and 5 ways to help the show be great like the first season:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20235213,00.html

if you don't want to read the entire thing, here's a summary:
5 Problems:
1) too many Heroes
2) absurd plot twists
3) over-heightened reality
4) stale storytelling/ predictable
5) too disposable/ could go on forever

EW's solution:
1) get rid of half of the Heroes, whether killing or just making them move
2) make Heroes more intelligent, more common sense
3) get back to the roots of Heroes (make the relatable to normal people)
4) write better (obviously) and refresh the settings of where the Heroes are
5) give an end date like LOST.

i actually agreed with the article, though i disagreed with one or two things. but they give hope that the 4th volume could be a great revival.

That's a good article, and I agree with several of their points - at least RE: what is wrong.

I think they could make a large number of characters work if they narrowed down the story lines. Right now they are trying to follow everybody moving in their own direction; if they would combine storylines and directions they might be able to make it work. But, the writing would have to get better to do that.

I am also getting tired of everybody involved being a dumbass. Just because they are "average people given amazing powers" it doesn't mean that a few can't step up and become more than they were. So far the characters are still acting like they are naive goofballs and haven't learned anything from their experiences (except Sylar maybe).

[WampusCrandle]

That's a good article, and I agree with several of their points - at least RE: what is wrong.

I think they could make a large number of characters work if they narrowed down the story lines. Right now they are trying to follow everybody moving in their own direction; if they would combine storylines and directions they might be able to make it work. But, the writing would have to get better to do that.

i would like a change of scenes around, its really is always lvl 5 or claire's house. i really just want to see consolidation of the characters and story lines. i would def. cut back on the time traveling from peter.

[RingWraith]

Just make all of them one super team, and give them a Hall Of Justice also.:thumbup:

[cougarjake13]

Anybody else somewhat frustrated by the lack of power development? I mean, if I had amazing super powers I would constantly test myself, try to figure out exactly what I could do, and adapt the power I had in new ways.

A quick "for instance" - Claire could conceivably be VERY physically powerful.

Her endurance would be unmatched because her healing ability should counteract the buildup of fatigue poisons.
Her body heals so fast that it would be incredibly easy to build strength - as soon as the muscles micro-tear they would rebuild stronger so Claire wouldn't have to wait to get the advantages of working out.
She could test her blood to see if it could heal others (or at least find out what it could do).


.


we already know this answer, they used her blood to save nathan after he took peter up in the sky to blow up

[WampusCrandle]

we already know this answer, they used her blood to save nathan after he took peter up in the sky to blow up

actually, it was adam's blood that saved nathan, claire's blood saved noah

[EliSnow]

Shake-up at Heroes. Loeb and another exec producer have been axed. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/02/loeb-alexander-axed-from-nbcs-heroes/)

I haven't watched the show since the 3rd or 4th ep. Has it stayed wretched?

[IMSlacker]

I haven't watched the show since the 3rd or 4th ep. Has it stayed wretched?

I thought the episode two weeks ago was pretty good. Otherwise, yes.