i'm worried about Rons hypocrisy...

[soupcan]

How can Ron in one breath say that the goverment is slowly , inch by inch, taking away our rights. (which I agree with) Yet in the other condone a whole community's children (420 of them) beeing taken away by he same goverment he callls ,basicaly, liars and cheats. Without ANY court approving such actions !
Ron constantly talks about the goverment feeding us lies and propaganda to advance their adgenda, true , I'm sure we can all agree with that. Yet as soon as it becomes a matter of religious believes , he sides with the goverment.
Ron YOU CANNOT stomp on somebody else's right to self determination without losing part of your own rights and freedoms!
Before anyone screams abuse and such....The raid was based on an anonymous call , from a 16 year old beeing pregnant and abused, no such victim has been found. Now if I were the one making the call I would have been at the front gates waiting for my rescuers, wouldn't you ?!?
As for poligomy ....WHO cares !!! If two or more ADULT women want to have sex with a man , well good for them. It's not disgusting to Ron in any shape or form untill it becomes a religious issue.
Ron keeps bringing up the thousands of people killed by the christian faith. Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China....
But i digress ... We cannot condone invading a family's home and take away their children because we donnot agree with the religion ( or lack thereof) , they are beeing brought up with.
The goverment told us they went in to protect the people in that community, for freedom if u will, and it was basede on propaganda and lies. Many people still believe these lies. Sound familiar ? I guess it's true "You only believe what you chooose to believe"
I hope i got some points across as I am inhibriated and I also hope this doesnt get deleted because it comes across as "bashing". I am a fan of ronfez and have been around for awhile now .So piss off !

[docgoblin]

I think Ron's point was that it was important for someone to step in and get the kids away from those bizarre outfits and hairstyles.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg

[silas]

I think Ron's point was that it was important for someone to step in and get the kids away from those bizarre outfits and hairstyles.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg

Sort of the andrews sisters crossed with Sopranos ?

Its those extra touches that make all the difference.

btw- any update on those R+F t-shirts ?

[EvilHomerJ666]

Ron was saying that he doesn't give a shit if it's adults but kids shouldn't be forced into marrying 40 year old men. And a caller said the same thing your saying and Ron clarified it.

[drjoek]

Ron is always about whats best for kids

[Ricky24]

if ron bennington told me to stare into the sun, i would do it

[reillyluck]

I'll go stare at it now, just in case it crossed his mind.

[underdog]

Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China....

I thought the Chinese were Christian.

And atheism is the "new world religion"?

Your post stinks.

[TheMojoPin]

Why is he worried?

Worry about yourself.

[sailor]

if ron bennington told me to stare into the sun, i would do it

he mentioned in chat last night you should do it.


and china is officially atheist, with taoism and buddhism probably the tops two religions there.

[thelyonhart]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg
these chicks are fu..





..ckable

[underdog]

and china is officially atheist, with taoism and buddhism probably the tops two religions there.

I thought the whole Tibet thing involved converting them to Christianity. Turns out I'm retarded. I should try reading more.

[booster11373]

While China may be officially Atheist, Atheism has very little to do with their governmental policy. China's occupation of Tibet is more about territorial gains and cultural hegemony.

And the original post is retarded

Look up Warren Jeffes the so called prophet of this sect. A man who has forcibly married young girls to old men, broken up the families of anyone who question his actions, exiles young men and boys from their families because he considers them to be a threat to his plural marriage wonderland

Was on the FBI's must wanted list for rape is is sitting in prison right now convicted of rape.

He is a racist and anti-Semite, there are you tube clips of his rantings about how the "blacks are a sub-race being exploited by the Jews"

Furthermore who protect the rights of those children because there parents have shown they are incapable of doing so

[FUNKMAN]

those bizarre outfits and hairstyles.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg

"Alrighty Then"

http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=5568

[reillyluck]

I think Ron's point was that it was important for someone to step in and get the kids away from those bizarre outfits and hairstyles.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg

there's nothing hotter than the "shirley phelps roper" look!

[happytypinggirl]

anyone up for a sun staring tournament? softball is sooo last year.


and maybe i was listening to another show or in a parallel universe, but i could have sworn that i heard him say the kids should be taken away if they are forcing minors to intermarry and have kids. because thats what the initial allegations were. and that if those allegations were in question, more information was needed.

but maybe i missed something.

[docgoblin]

Why is he worried?

Worry about yourself.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/alfred_e_neuman_1.jpg

[zman]

There is a fine line between morales and personal freedom

40 year old men fucking 13 year olds crosses that line

[scottinnj]

you have to remember ron is an entertainer, not a journalist or political pundit. he is equal with us in his opinions about the government and politics. there isn't a single one of us who isn't in a way hypocritical in our opinion of things, myself included. you can go to the politics forum and find discrepencies of opinion from all of us, in one form or another.
i would cut ronnie a bit of slack. i will say he is great at getting us to call in with our opinions, so that the show gets ideas and comments frome every part of the spectrum, no matter what his opinion or ours is of that idea.

[HBox]

There is a fine line between morales and personal freedom

40 year old men fucking 13 year olds crosses that line

http://www.petroleumworld.com/imagesjul2004/evo_morales1.jpg

[scottinnj]

I thought the Chinese were Christian.

And atheism is the "new world religion"?

Your post stinks.
no the chinese have probably the most diverse spread of religions. it is the communist government which keeps those religions from freely being practiced.
and yes, there are a lot of people who think the same way about atheism. just like its counterparts in religious circles there are a growing number of extremists who will not tolerate anything except for what they believe. so his post stinks to you, but it makes sense to me and others and is equal as rational a statement as how religion is responsible for suffering and death.

[A.J.]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/docgoblin/polygamists.jpg

there's nothing hotter than the "shirley phelps roper" look!

There's the "Caroline Ingalls look". RAWWR.

http://www.imavision.com/lhop/CarolineIngalls1.jpg

[EliSnow]

How can Ron in one breath say that the goverment is slowly , inch by inch, taking away our rights. (which I agree with) Yet in the other condone a whole community's children (420 of them) beeing taken away by he same goverment he callls ,basicaly, liars and cheats. Without ANY court approving such actions !
Ron constantly talks about the goverment feeding us lies and propaganda to advance their adgenda, true , I'm sure we can all agree with that. Yet as soon as it becomes a matter of religious believes , he sides with the goverment.
Ron YOU CANNOT stomp on somebody else's right to self determination without losing part of your own rights and freedoms!
Before anyone screams abuse and such....The raid was based on an anonymous call , from a 16 year old beeing pregnant and abused, no such victim has been found. Now if I were the one making the call I would have been at the front gates waiting for my rescuers, wouldn't you ?!?
As for poligomy ....WHO cares !!! If two or more ADULT women want to have sex with a man , well good for them. It's not disgusting to Ron in any shape or form untill it becomes a religious issue.
Ron keeps bringing up the thousands of people killed by the christian faith. Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China....
But i digress ... We cannot condone invading a family's home and take away their children because we donnot agree with the religion ( or lack thereof) , they are beeing brought up with.
The goverment told us they went in to protect the people in that community, for freedom if u will, and it was basede on propaganda and lies. Many people still believe these lies. Sound familiar ? I guess it's true "You only believe what you chooose to believe"
I hope i got some points across as I am inhibriated and I also hope this doesnt get deleted because it comes across as "bashing". I am a fan of ronfez and have been around for awhile now .So piss off !


As others pointed out, you clearly weren't listening closely to what Ron was saying.

First, as he himself said, there is a difference between whether the government had a right to enter the compound and whether anything wrong was going on there. And he didn't make one comment about the first part, as to whether the government was right to enter the compound. What he did say was that there were reports that girls under the age of consent were being married off and were pregnant.

Second, his comment was less about religion, and whether the people in the compound were engaging in practices that were abused someone rights, i.e. young girls, under the age of consent, were being married to men in their 30's and 40's. it was that practice that he was criticizing. And he wasn't saying that it was occurring. He pointed out that if it was occurring, that's wrong.

And before you call this a bash post, it's a correction of your statements as to what Ron said.

[dino_electropolis]

The real question to all this is:exactly how many of those children could ronnie take on in a fight?

[scottinnj]

The real question to all this is:exactly how many of those children could ronnie take on in a fight?

I originally thought all of them, but they have mutant retard inbreeding strength. So now I'm saying 50

[NewYorkDragons80]

He is a racist and anti-Semite, there are you tube clips of his rantings about how the "blacks are a sub-race being exploited by the Jews"
None of those things are illegal. If a few children were being raped (and it looks like they weren't), why is the whole compound in foster care?

I honestly don't know about the guy who runs this compound, but it is a little surprising to see Ron come out against this thing. He's normally for keeping the government out of our lives. And if a post-pubescent underage chick is marrying a 30-year old 100 miles from anything that matters, who really gives a shit.

As for the criticism of Christianity and "religious" wars, we've debated this on RF.net for years, but I would argue that there has never been a religious war, including the Crusades. Wars are about economics, power, borders, and ethnicity. It is kind of annoying to hear Ron say "All religious people believe crazy shit" and more or less shut off his senses to anyone disputing that point.

[HBox]

And if a post-pubescent underage chick is marrying a 30-year old 100 miles from anything that matters, who really gives a shit.


Because when it comes to sex crimes, its all about location, location, location.

[Epschtein]

sooooooo are we supposed to be staring into the sun or not?

[jauble]

anyone up for a sun staring tournament? softball is sooo last year.

Talk to this guy...he held the record as a kid.

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/11/brianreganweb.jpg

[booster11373]

"All religious people believe crazy shit" .


I just found my new motto thanks Ron !

[Franklyn]

I think the original post assumes that Ron defines the religious, political or social views of his audience. I'd dare to bet that most of us seek out information from many different sources. I think Ron saying something will not affect the primary belief systems of many of us here.

It seems that the original statement he made was later corrected but if it wasn't it's still just one man's view of the country. We'll all be ok. :wink:

[Melissa the Accountant]

Ron keeps bringing up the thousands of people killed by the christian faith. Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China...
I think the Christians are still ahead in the people killing contest. Go, atheists, go!

[paulisded]

I think the original post assumes that Ron defines the religious, political or social views of his audience. I'd dare to bet that most of us seek out information from many different sources. I think Ron saying something will not affect the primary belief systems of many of us here.

It seems that the original statement he made was later corrected but if it wasn't it's still just one man's view of the country. We'll all be ok. :wink:

But Franklyn, don't you know that our personal beliefs are supposed to be 100% represented by our entertainment, and if there's any differences they must be condemned? :D

[patsopinion]

pihc

[#1FanofESD]

Ummm.

Ron is always right and everyone else is wrong.

It's simple, Ron is a hypocrite and always has been.

Fez is a nut and it's because Ron wants him to be a nut.

The other day he said Pitzy wasn't consistent in his thoughts about Fez and the cat because he didn't think Fez's family situation and the situation with the cat were on the same level. WTF?

You don't ever win with Ron, he's the smartest guy on the planet.

Or at least that's what the people around him keep telling him. lol.

In time he will find that all that love he is being showered with is just simple fear. This is in his professional life and in his personal life.

No one really likes 'the boss' no matter how they act or what they say.

Worst part is that I know this from first hand experience.

[Melissa the Accountant]

Worst part is that I know this from first hand experience.
Lucky us! Without your first hand scoop to tell us the real truth about Ron, we'd be completely lost!

[scottinnj]

In time he will find that all that love he is being showered with is just simple fear. This is in his professional life and in his personal life.

No one really likes 'the boss' no matter how they act or what they say.

Worst part is that I know this from first hand experience.

howard, are you beginning to see life after your sirius contract is up?

[Zenbean]

How can Ron in one breath say that the goverment is slowly , inch by inch, taking away our rights. (which I agree with) Yet in the other condone a whole community's children (420 of them) beeing taken away by he same goverment he callls ,basicaly, liars and cheats. Without ANY court approving such actions !
Ron constantly talks about the goverment feeding us lies and propaganda to advance their adgenda, true , I'm sure we can all agree with that. Yet as soon as it becomes a matter of religious believes , he sides with the goverment.
Ron YOU CANNOT stomp on somebody else's right to self determination without losing part of your own rights and freedoms!
Before anyone screams abuse and such....The raid was based on an anonymous call , from a 16 year old beeing pregnant and abused, no such victim has been found. Now if I were the one making the call I would have been at the front gates waiting for my rescuers, wouldn't you ?!?
As for poligomy ....WHO cares !!! If two or more ADULT women want to have sex with a man , well good for them. It's not disgusting to Ron in any shape or form untill it becomes a religious issue.
Ron keeps bringing up the thousands of people killed by the christian faith. Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China....
But i digress ... We cannot condone invading a family's home and take away their children because we donnot agree with the religion ( or lack thereof) , they are beeing brought up with.
The goverment told us they went in to protect the people in that community, for freedom if u will, and it was basede on propaganda and lies. Many people still believe these lies. Sound familiar ? I guess it's true "You only believe what you chooose to believe"
I hope i got some points across as I am inhibriated and I also hope this doesnt get deleted because it comes across as "bashing". I am a fan of ronfez and have been around for awhile now .So piss off !


Huh? You should actually listen to the show... That may help...

[Dougie Brootal]

Ummm.

Ron is always right and everyone else is wrong.

It's simple, Ron is a hypocrite and always has been.

Fez is a nut and it's because Ron wants him to be a nut.

The other day he said Pitzy wasn't consistent in his thoughts about Fez and the cat because he didn't think Fez's family situation and the situation with the cat were on the same level. WTF?

You don't ever win with Ron, he's the smartest guy on the planet.

Or at least that's what the people around him keep telling him. lol.

In time he will find that all that love he is being showered with is just simple fear. This is in his professional life and in his personal life.

No one really likes 'the boss' no matter how they act or what they say.

Worst part is that I know this from first hand experience.

i bet your the fag that called in last week to attack ron. seriously why listen if you dislike the show so much? xm has literally hundreds of other channels. im not attacking you, just being reasonable.

[scottinnj]

i bet your the fag that called in last week to attack ron. seriously why listen if you dislike the show so much? xm has literally hundreds of other channels. im not attacking you, just being reasonable.


that hurt me douggie. after what we shared on the "ask the person below you a question" i never thought you felt that way!

[Dougie Brootal]

that hurt me douggie. after what we shared on the "ask the person below you a question" i never thought you felt that way!

i meant it in a good way!:unsure:

[ahhdurr]

I think the Christians are still ahead in the people killing contest. Go, atheists, go!

Wow, what's the operational def. of "Christian" here?

[KnoxHarrington]

I think Ronnie has used the "all religions believe crazy shit" line to let some especially bad religions off the hook. Like when he's used it in reference to Scientology: well, yeah, Mr. B, believing that our problems are due to the ghosts of space aliens that died after being tossed in a volcano is about as crazy as believing a Jewish carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago was the Son of God. That's true. But research some of the awful shit Scientology does. You might want to read about the case of Jeremy Perkins (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/), a schizophrenic who was being treated with vitamin therapy because Scientology says psychiatrists are evil. He stabbed his mother to death. 77 times. Yeah, most Catholic priests would tell you to treat your schizo son with vitamins.

[nukinfuts]

there's nothing hotter than the "shirley phelps roper" look!

I think the bun hairdo and the gunny sack dress are really going to make a comeback after this. I can't imagine wanting to look that way but then again I am a sinner.:devil2:

[paracetamol flanders]

Having carefully examined and weighed the above arguments and exegesis the only thing that I am truly troubled by is Ron's Hip-hoprisy.

[Furtherman]

Those kids should be digging for the Shankra stones. Immediately.

[TheMojoPin]

You might want to read about the case of Jeremy Perkins (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/), a schizophrenic who was being treated with vitamin therapy because Scientology says psychiatrists are evil. He stabbed his mother to death. 77 times. Yeah, most Catholic priests would tell you to treat your schizo son with vitamins.

Yeah, but they're shoving their cock down the kid's throat as they do.

HIIIIIIIIII-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH.

[Rube]

Did Ron REALLY tell us to stare at the sun? I'm not sure if that is a good idea. But if he REALLY did say it...........:blink:

[Furtherman]

Did Ron REALLY tell us to stare at the sun? I'm not sure if that is a good idea. But if he REALLY did say it...........:blink:

Practice on the Moon.



Now.

[#1FanofESD]

Lucky us! Without your first hand scoop to tell us the real truth about Ron, we'd be completely lost!

You know it fugly!

[#1FanofESD]

i bet your the fag that called in last week to attack ron. seriously why listen if you dislike the show so much? xm has literally hundreds of other channels. im not attacking you, just being reasonable.

Who said I hated the show?

And calling me a fag? C'mon dude. It's 2008, can't you come up with something more clever than that old ass line.

[sailor]

where's rorschach when you need him?

[Rorschach]

And calling me a fag? C'mon dude. It's 2008, can't you come up with something more clever than that old ass line.

faggot

[meanmrbill]

Ron keeps bringing up the thousands of people killed by the christian faith. Well how about the millions that have been killed by the new world religion Atheism ex. Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, China....


Uhhhh......its estimated that there might be 100billion Buddhists in China. Vietnam recognizes 6 religions. Vietnam is over 80% Buddhist. Russian Orthodoxy is the major religion in Russia.

If, in this brilliant statement, you were referring to the "atheism" of the communists then you are failing to understand something very important. One of the reasons the communists eliminated religion is because they wanted the State to be the primary object of worship under communism, not really a "pure" atheism.

Also, a suggested reading ......You will certainly benefit (http://www.amazon.com/English-Grammar-Dummies-Geraldine-Woods/dp/0764553224/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211722076&sr=8-2)

[jlehane3]

delivered by :banning: Paul O in a drunken STUPID. :clap: "Fez is the ultimate reason for living.":help: :smoke: :drunk: :tongue:

[foodcourtdruide]

If I may interject into this thread...

Why is everyone agreeing with Ron Rons' fault? There have been times that I thought Pitsy, Earl, Dave and Fez have correctly disagreed with Ron but completely backed down. I go through this with my boss and I'm trying very hard not to be the constant "yes" man because it's a weakness. Ron is very confident in his opinions, and can be arrogant at times, but that's not a problem. The problem is the reluctance of the staff to challenge him.

Also, to the original poster; why do you expect Ron to be flawless? It's ridiculous. I haven't heard this conversation yet, but if Ron was hypocritical, what's your point? Has Ron ever come on the air and said "I AM A FLAWLESS HUMAN BEING THAT CAN NEVER HAVE ONE INCORRECT THOUGHT"? This is the Ron and Fez show, not Rush Limbaugh.

[Gvac]

I'm far more worried about mikeyboy.

Something's wrong.

We should try to help.

Maybe an intervention?

[Bay Ridge Tim]

The problem is the reluctance of the staff to challenge him.

What's weird is that you hear the occasional caller say, "I hate to disagree with you, Ron, but..." Hate to disagree? Why? It's just Ronnie! He's our radio buddy! You can disagree with him, we're having a conversation here.

[underdog]

You might want to read about the case of Jeremy Perkins (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/), a schizophrenic who was being treated with vitamin therapy because Scientology says psychiatrists are evil. He stabbed his mother to death. 77 times. Yeah, most Catholic priests would tell you to treat your schizo son with vitamins.

No, they'll just teach that using condoms is a sin and millions of people become infected with aids and die.

Scientology really has a long way to go to catch up to the big boys.

[earthbrown]

Look at these woman, must be inbreeding.

Bottom line is if 15yo's are being married and impregnated in this community, it is criminal...it os more heinous to me, than regular teen pregnancy, as these women are molded from birth to go along with it.

K

[KnoxHarrington]

No, they'll just teach that using condoms is a sin and millions of people become infected with aids and die.

Scientology really has a long way to go to catch up to the big boys.

I'm not trying to let Catholicism off the hook. I'm just saying that, given the real evil shit Scientology pulls, blowing off any attempt to give it special criticism by saying all religions are as crazy as it is seems silly to me.

[Mike Teacher]

Uhhhh......its estimated that there might be 100billion Buddhists in China.

Uhhhh.......You might wanna check your number.

[ahhdurr]

Uhhhh.......You might wanna check your number.


yeah really... it's more like 3 zilliondy.

[Mike Teacher]

I prefer bazillion.

And Ron's wrong all the time on stuff. We all are, We're human. He's human.

I think.

Whats the big deal-e-o???

[docgoblin]

Practice on the Moon.

During an eclipse.

[ahhdurr]

Here's what I'm worried about - the u.s. economy and the looming energy crisis and not having enough ammo to stave off the unprepared.

I think as long as everyone is entertained and he gets paid at the end of the day Ron doesn't give a fuck. I support him 100% in that.

[Melissa the Accountant]

Wow, what's the operational def. of "Christian" here?

Well, I think the clearest definition is "people who believe(d) that Christ was the son of god and worship him". So I'm counting Catholics, protestants, eastern and Greek orthodox, and the various other pidgin forms of religion that observe a belief in Jesus.

Atheism had a solid streak during the twentieth century (Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, etc. if you want to consider their killing as purely religiously motivated), but when you think about the crusades alone, that was over four hundred years of horrific slaughter on both sides. Not to mention the inquisition.

I was going for humor with my remark, not looking to get into a long semantic argument over arguable and arbitrary points, but my formula was pretty simple. Christians have been much more prominent for a much longer time, and have a lot of killing on their scorecard. They've lagged a little bit recently but they still have a strong lead in the area of killing people with different beliefs.

Pick it up already, atheists!

[ahhdurr]

Well, I think the clearest definition is "people who believe(d) that Christ was the son of god and worship him". So I'm counting Catholics, protestants, eastern and Greek orthodox, and the various other pidgin forms of religion that observe a belief in Jesus.

Atheism had a solid streak during the twentieth century (Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, etc. if you want to consider their killing as purely religiously motivated), but when you think about the crusades alone, that was over four hundred years of horrific slaughter on both sides. Not to mention the inquisition.

I was going for humor with my remark, not looking to get into a long semantic argument over arguable and arbitrary points, but my formula was pretty simple. Christians have been much more prominent for a much longer time, and have a lot of killing on their scorecard. They've lagged a little bit recently but they still have a strong lead in the area of killing people with different beliefs.

Pick it up already, atheists!

I understand you were going for humor.

Go bake some fucking cupcakes.

[meanmrbill]

Uhhhh.......You might wanna check your number.


Dammit. 100 million. Thanks, Mike.

[midwestjeff]

Mike the Teacher and Ron used to be such good friends. The two would get togther and play with Mike's chemistry set for hours on end while discussing the immensity of the universe. Then the two would quote their favorite Carl Sagan passages to each other as they relaxed in open fields watching the stars and pointing out rare constellations and far away galaxies. Mike even bought Ron his first telescope with a note saying, "You know everything buddy, and I love that about you." Alas, things took a turn for the worse when Mike was seen on RonFez.net saying Ron's wrong all the time. to which Ron replied in a private message "Fuck you, ya ham 'n egger." Oh Mike, when will you admit that Ron is always right and get back to stargazing with your.....old friend?



*Also, Mike needs a Mod quote.

[sailor]

you mean lay (http://www.majstro.com/Web/Majstro/taleninfo/CompEng/onregww_lie.php).

[midwestjeff]

you mean lay (http://www.majstro.com/Web/Majstro/taleninfo/CompEng/onregww_lie.php).

I knew that didn't feel right.
Thanks for being here to proofread.

[sailor]

I knew that didn't feel right.
Thanks for being here to proofread.

we each do what we can. plus, i think fezpaul is retired.

[Melissa the Accountant]

I understand you were going for humor.

Go bake some fucking cupcakes.

You are silly.

[Gvac]

If I may interject into this thread...

Why is everyone agreeing with Ron Rons' fault? There have been times that I thought Pitsy, Earl, Dave and Fez have correctly disagreed with Ron but completely backed down. The problem is the reluctance of the staff to challenge him.

This was the exact point I was trying to make several months ago when I urged the callers and staff to engage Ron in debate. The thread, however, wound up being misunderstood because of the title. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67347)

Since that time I think both Dave and Lilly have done a marvelous job in stepping up to the plate and presenting an opposing view to Ron's, though.

[Bossanova]

Everyone is a hypocrit to some extent. I hate Italians, yet I was a chef at an Italian restaurant. Who cares if Ron contradicts himself or has sheep following his every word. He makes me laugh. And as long as Gvac and I laugh, who cares what commoners think

[Gvac]

And as long as Gvac and I laugh, who cares what commoners think

This is the single most brilliant post I've ever read.

[Crispy123]

Everyone is a hypocrit to some extent. I hate Italians, yet I was a chef at an Italian restaurant. Who cares if Ron contradicts himself or has sheep following his every word. He makes me laugh. And as long as Gvac and I laugh, who cares what commoners think

This is the single most brilliant post I've ever read.

you guys are quite a team!!!

http://media.npr.org/programs/fa/features/2006/apr/smigel.jpg

[Epschtein]

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."

- me, just now, for the first time ever.

- ok, maybe walt whitman said it too, but he stole it from me, i swear.

[Franklyn]

But Franklyn, don't you know that our personal beliefs are supposed to be 100% represented by our entertainment, and if there's any differences they must be condemned? :D

hahah, we're we get our shared love?

[soupcan]

well.as i said in my first post i was drunk then , and i am drunk agaain. I realy shouldnt post after so many whiskeys but I feel an urgent need to at such times ....somehow...I regret the title of this post. It's a lil confrontational. But none the less I stand by it . The single most important point i was trying to make is that as liberal and pro-rights as Ron says he is ....He has ZERO tolerance for freedom of religion. Ron keeps saying once we give the goverment an inch they will take a mile...well DUH ! the problem is we dont stand up when the inch they take is somebody elses. The way we bring up our kids is a fundamental right and we can neither let the reverant , rhabi, muslim and aithiest next door or even the govement interfere with that...Once we let it start happenning, to no matter who , we have given up the same right for ourselves . At that time childrearing realy does belong to the goverment .....and it's too late then.... So if Ron realy believes the bullshit he spouts about freedoms , I say let others' freedoms slide, without belittling them for their believes...and please dont preach to me about comedy, I believeve when it comes to religion it's a personal thing with Ron. Maybe even the one time he will believe the goverments bullshit over ANY other defence (factually based or not) . One last thing I would remind everyone , a WHOLE communities children were taken in that raid 420 of them and not one charge has been proven....This whole thing , I fear , will be another ATF lie /debacle and by the time the goverments wrongs are exposed none of us will care, or we will have forgoten and nothing will come of it . Yet somehow we will bow our heads, just a little bit, in shame for letting it happen / believing their bullshit. ...Anyways one can hope on the latter

[PapaBear]

He has ZERO tolerance for freedom of religion.
Yet, when someone attacks a "wacky" religion, he is always ready to step up and point out that no religion is more crazy than any other religion.

I grew up worshiping a zombie Jew (paraphrased, of course)

[soupcan]

Somebody is bound to say something stupid like.."maybe you agree with child mariage / abuse but I dont...blah blah blah". Or " the kids are brain washed into this type of society "
On the first one - These charges have NOT BEEN PROVEN. Although after the kids beeing in custody this long , I fear, some may be cohersed under the promise of family reunion....the reason I say this is...as a child during my parents divorce I was put under state care and I would have said ANYTHING to go back to a parent other then living with these strangers ...and I DID ....
One the second- All our children are brainwashed , we teach them to conform to certain believes WE have. Wether it's to the religion we belong to , or society's rules . We teach them to conform and not buck the system. We teach them that to do otherwise is unpatriotic, unammerican or counter to the good of civilization as a whole. We teach them to conform so very well... Yet somehow we are SHOCKED when they CONNFORM to THEIR peer groups and end up doing something we dont agree with , whatever that maybe , get into drugs , break laws or (this is a new one ) become teen parents !!!:sad:

There is No guaranteed proper way to raise kids urs is as good as any . Believe ME if ur kids dont agree with the way things are done at home ....they will LEAVE !! It's ALLWAYS beeen that way.

[soupcan]

Yet, when someone attacks a "wacky" religion, he is always ready to step up and point out that no religion is more crazy than any other religion.

thanx PapaBear , I knew if anybody would get this, it'd be you buddy

[PapaBear]

thanx PapaBear , I knew if anybody would get this, it'd be you buddy
I hope this doesn't mean you think I'm cool with old guys impregnating underage girls. I know it hasn't been proven, but I'm confident that it has happened in this case. I should probably read the whole thread.

[Slumbag]

Yet, when someone attacks a "wacky" religion, he is always ready to step up and point out that no religion is more crazy than any other religion.
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, you read it here first.
PapaBear ENDORSING old men impregnating underage girls.
Unbelievable








































I hope this doesn't mean you think I'm cool with old guys impregnating underage girls. I know it hasn't been proven, but I'm confident that it has happened in this case. I should probably read the whole thread.

Shit. Nevermind.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i'm worried about Rons hypocrisy

blaspheme! , ron is perfect, yes sometimes he takes an oppossite opinion because he is trying to get these numb nuts to debate, its point counter point and ron is surrounded by sycophants.

[booster11373]

Don't they look happy shame on the Govt. for interfering in a happy marriage.

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[Furtherman]

Believe ME if ur kids dont agree with the way things are done at home ....they will LEAVE !! It's ALLWAYS beeen that way.

Sorry, I can't believe that. I've known plenty who did not like the rules that were in place at home (including me) but lived by them anyway.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Look at these woman, must be inbreeding.

Bottom line is if 15yo's are being married and impregnated in this community, it is criminal...it os more heinous to me, than regular teen pregnancy, as these women are molded from birth to go along with it.

K


i'll take you back behind the middle school

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[backinslacks]

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Oh, East Side Ruby...
We never knew...

[Reynolds]

I thought the Chinese were Christian.

And atheism is the "new world religion"?

Your post stinks.

I never even knew aetheists organized, nevermind organized mass murders. I agree this stupid canadian post stinks like moose shit.

[Reynolds]

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, you read it here first.
PapaBear ENDORSING old men impregnating underage girls.
Unbelievable



Well, if the ground is fertile....

[patrick187]

I think those YFZ women are just charming. Dressed to the nines, hair done up. Conversating about anything and everything. Just charming.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm far more worried about Hypocrisy.

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I need to hear a new album

HORNS UP MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

[underdog]

Don't they look happy shame on the Govt. for interfering in a happy marriage.

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Isn't this Warren Jeffs, the Mormon guy? It's not the same guy Ron was talking about.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Christians have been much more prominent for a much longer time, and have a lot of killing on their scorecard. They've lagged a little bit recently but they still have a strong lead in the area of killing people with different beliefs.
Arguably, but like I said before you raised the point: even the Crusades wasn't about religion.

Regarding Booster's posting wedding pics from the polygamist compound, they actually do look happy and there doesn't appear to be any coercion. "Impregnating underage women"? The guy looks to be in his mid to late 20's and the girl looks 15 or 16. She's emotionally old enough to make her own decisions *and* biologically old enough to have a kid. If the girl is for it and the parents don't have a problem, who is the victim here?

EDIT: OK, the guy might be in his early 30's, but my question still stands

[nukinfuts]

Isn't this Warren Jeffs, the Mormon guy? It's not the same guy Ron was talking about.

He's not really a Mormon...the Mormon church actually excommunicated these people so they formed their own little cult (yes cult but I don't want to open up the whole argument on what is or isn't a cult). The Big Love show on HBO gives a pretty accurate picture of how the whole plural marriage thing goes.


Did someone say they were baking cupcakes?

[underdog]

EDIT: OK, the guy might be in his early 30's, but my question still stands

Wow, you must think 30 year olds look terrible. And you're REALLY bad at judging ages. He's clearly much, much older than 30.

Warren Jeffs was 49 at the time of the first pic and 50 (FIFTY) at the time of the 3rd.

He's not really a Mormon...the Mormon church actually excommunicated these people so they formed their own little cult (yes cult but I don't want to open up the whole argument on what is or isn't a cult). The Big Love show on HBO gives a pretty accurate picture of how the whole plural marriage thing goes.

Didn't Mormons stop practicing polygamy because the government basically forced them to?

[nukinfuts]

Didn't Mormons stop practicing polygamy because the government basically forced them to?

Probably, but isn't that the same reason the Catholic church had to take action against the priests for the whole molestation thing? Every religion has it's skeletons. Take the whole Jews killed Jesus thing and then you have the Catholic church and that pesky Inquisition. I think that the religions that are not "old" tend to get judged more harshly by society than those that have been around for ages. I think as long as you believe in something then you will probably be alright and I really don't think you should ever use religion as an excuse to marry 12 year old girls or to not take your child to the doctor and to let them die because your religion tells you that it's just God's will.

[underdog]

Probably, but isn't that the same reason the Catholic church had to take action against the priests for the whole molestation thing? Every religion has it's skeletons. Take the whole Jews killed Jesus thing and then you have the Catholic church and that pesky Inquisition. I think that the religions that are not "old" tend to get judged more harshly by society than those that have been around for ages. I think as long as you believe in something then you will probably be alright and I really don't think you should ever use religion as an excuse to marry 12 year old girls or to not take your child to the doctor and to let them die because your religion tells you that it's just God's will.

Everyone who follows religion just sounds like Shirley Phelps-Roper to me.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

As for the criticism of Christianity and "religious" wars, we've debated this on RF.net for years, but I would argue that there has never been a religious war, including the Crusades.

What?

[ahhdurr]

What?

He said there was never a religious war.

[Team_Ramrod]

He said there was never a religious war.

yeah, that's what I read as well.

[nukinfuts]

Everyone who follows religion just sounds like Shirley Phelps-Roper to me.

Now there is a woman that should have her kids taken from her. I always wonder why those kids are never is school and if they are home schooled is protesting military funerals really considered an educational activity?

[awesomebill]

Obey Fez!!!