Steroid Dealer - Stopped Snitchin

[BEEZonTHEsack]

The show was talking about steroid use again and Dave said he didnt feel like there was anything wrong with it. I would like to point out a very recent story about a roid dealer who was just about to testify and name names on all his clients (this story reminds me of the Washington Madam).

They found him and his girlfriend both shot dead. I suppose he wont be dropping any names since someone believes in the STOP SNITCHIN policy.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/02/sports/after190.jpg

Here is his story.

PS: The first time I saw him on the news he was telling them that he was going to tell all. He was waxing his crazy custom Harley and you could tell he was shit rich.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=C77642D53A53BABB2E00666C17E6F643 ?contentId=6703510&version=13&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Here is the story.

[underdog]

They are reporting it as a murder/suicide.

[Snoogans]

Yea i saw the murder suicide thing, and I have 1 question. WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS THEMSELVES TWICE TO KILL THEMSELVES???? It said he shot himself once in the stomach, then in the head. WHO THE FUCK WOULD BOTHER???

Obviously, this is a double homicide, and either the killer set it up like he shot himself, or someone just doesnt want this getting out.

[Snoogans]

And by the way i already had a thread about this. Just sayin

[underdog]

He could be stupid and thought shooting himself would kill him immediately.

I really, really, REALLY hope this is traced back to the NFL somehow. It would be fucking hilarious.

Also, I don't think steroids are really that bad for sports. But I love how there's always people yelling about "steroids don't kill you". You're right. Steroids will first kill your significant other, maybe you're child, and THEN you.

[Snoogans]

He could be stupid and thought shooting himself would kill him immediately.

I really, really, REALLY hope this is traced back to the NFL somehow. It would be fucking hilarious.
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I cant see how the NFL didnt have anything to do this. Either Goodell or Upshaw have alot to save by keeping this shit quiet

[underdog]

I cant see how the NFL didnt have anything to do this. Either Goodell or Upshaw have alot to save by keeping this shit quiet

There's a LOT of people who had a lot to save by keeping this quiet. I just can't picture Goodell or Upshaw actually being hurt enough by anything to effect their positions. Therefore, I can't picture a scenario where they'd have to knock off some dealer.

However, if one of them did have something closely to do with it, I can't even imagine the fallout from it. It would be like nothing we've ever seen.

[Snoogans]

There's a LOT of people who had a lot to save by keeping this quiet. I just can't picture Goodell or Upshaw actually being hurt enough by anything to effect their positions. Therefore, I can't picture a scenario where they'd have to knock off some dealer.

However, if one of them did have something closely to do with it, I can't even imagine the fallout from it. It would be like nothing we've ever seen.

I can see it alot more from Upshaw cause he has players to protect, not just the appeal of the league. If players go down, that hurts the PA, and Upshaw is a cock and would do anything to stop that.

Plus I never trust a fuckin Union Leader. They seem to almost ALWAYS end up in some kinda dirt

[Chigworthy]

Occam's razor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor)

[Snoogans]

Ok but assuming someone attempting to kill himself by shooting himself in a place that wont kill you and then immediately in a place that will kill you after that is dumber then assuming this is a set up. EVERYTHING points to murders and a set up before suicide.

[underdog]

I can see it alot more from Upshaw cause he has players to protect, not just the appeal of the league. If players go down, that hurts the PA, and Upshaw is a cock and would do anything to stop that.

The only thing he has going for him is that most of the players that would have been named by the guy would have pretty much been nameless to the general public. There's so many more players not known in the NFL than any other sport. After the QB, RB and maybe WR, no one has any idea who any of the players are.

Plus I never trust a fuckin Union Leader. They seem to almost ALWAYS end up in some kinda dirt

And Upshaw is the WORST. He constantly gets raped by the owners and then doesn't really stand up for his players. Even the Player Union Leaders disagree with him (Kevin Mawae). I don't even know how he's kept his job. Although, Donald Fehr kept his job, even though he was/is fucking awful. Maybe you become union leader by having shit on everyone else.

[Chigworthy]

Ok but assuming someone attempting to kill himself by shooting himself in a place that wont kill you and then immediately in a place that will kill you after that is dumber then assuming this is a set up. EVERYTHING points to murders and a set up before suicide.

As a well-trained devil's advocate, I pose a scenario: Maybe he went to kill his broad, and caught one in the stomach in the struggle, killed her, then finished himself.

[Snoogans]

As a well-trained devil's advocate, I pose a scenario: Maybe he went to kill his broad, and caught one in the stomach in the struggle, killed her, then finished himself.

based on what the coroner laid out, she was dead, then he shot himself in the stomach, then the head within 30 seconds. Basically, what it means is, someone came in, shot her, he tried to get away, took one in the stomach and then the head just to be sure. Then the guy put the gun in his hand and left. BOOM. Case closed



well except for that whole finding the killer thing

[Chigworthy]

As a well-trained devil's advocate, I pose a scenario:

He kills her and is understandibly spazzed out. As often happens with semi autos and close-quarters work, he limp wristed it, resulting in a stovepipe. As he's racking the slide to clear the breech, the gun slips in his slick hands, he rushes to grab the gun as it falls, inadvertantly gutshots himself, curses, and finishes himself off.

[Snoogans]

As a well-trained devil's advocate, I pose a scenario:

He kills her and is understandibly spazzed out. As often happens with semi autos and close-quarters work, he limp wristed it, resulting in a stovepipe. As he's racking the slide to clear the breech, the gun slips in his slick hands, he rushes to grab the gun as it falls, inadvertantly gutshots himself, curses, and finishes himself off.

Every gun I have ever shot has had enough trigger weight that it would take a hell of a drop and then grab to hit it hard enough to fire. Especially when once your finger isnt on the trigger, its likely to catch the guard rather then the trigger

[Chigworthy]

A double-action/single-action (arguably the most common) semi-auto can have a trigger pull as low as 2.5 pounds on the secon shot. With the extended trigger guard (winter glove) that is fairly common, the chance of a finger finding the trigger is greatly increased, and all it takes at that point is for the gun to weigh more than the trigger pull, compounded by any motion of the offending finger oposite to the trigger.

[Snoogans]

A double-action/single-action (arguably the most common) semi-auto can have a trigger pull as low as 2.5 pounds on the secon shot. With the extended trigger guard (winter glove) that is fairly common, the chance of a finger finding the trigger is greatly increased, and all it takes at that point is for the gun to weigh more than the trigger pull, compounded by any motion of the offending finger oposite to the trigger.

ok but assume you shot someone, and then dropped a gun pointing away from you. For it to end up pointing back at your abdomen, it would either have to flipped upside down so that you wouldnt even touch the trigger when you reach for it

Or it would have had to spin around so it was facing you with the trigger down, and then you still somehow woulda had to have the miracle hand motion to somehow get the trigger inside the guard AND have your hand hit the trigger in the right direction. Chances are, even if you hit the trigger, your hand would be moving perpendicular to the gun or upward, not able to push the trigger, which would have been pushing away from you.

Seems very unlikely, and uses WAY MORE presumptions then assuming it was a hit.
edit: and most peoples natural reaction is to try to scoop it once its dropped from underneath, rather then just reach down and try to grab it

[Chigworthy]

ok but assume you shot someone, and then dropped a gun pointing away from you. For it to end up pointing back at your abdomen, it would either have to flipped upside down so that you wouldnt even touch the trigger when you reach for it

Or it would have had to spin around so it was facing you with the trigger down, and then you still somehow woulda had to have the miracle hand motion to somehow get the trigger inside the guard AND have your hand hit the trigger in the right direction. Chances are, even if you hit the trigger, your hand would be moving perpendicular to the gun or upward, not able to push the trigger, which would have been pushing away from you.

Seems very unlikely, and uses WAY MORE presumptions then assuming it was a hit.

As you reflexively grab for something falling, your hand clenches when it contacts it, so the finger motion is included with the falling gun grab. Maybe he shot the broad, she falls into him, and his subconscious sees that bloody mess and doesn't want it on him. His finger is still in the trigger guard, he forgets about the gun, spreads his hands to grab the corpse and push it away. The gun is still hooked on his finger, but the weight of the partially-full magazine in the handgrip causes the gun to swivel downward and point towards his body, upside down. As his hands re-clench on the corpse's clothing, he inadvertantly squeezes the trigger.

[Snoogans]

As you reflexively grab for something falling, your hand clenches when it contacts it, so the finger motion is included with the falling gun grab. Maybe he shot the broad, she falls into him, and his subconscious sees that bloody mess and doesn't want it on him. His finger is still in the trigger guard, he forgets about the gun, spreads his hands to grab the corpse and push it away. The gun is still hooked on his finger, but the weight of the partially-full magazine in the handgrip causes the gun to swivel downward and point towards his body, upside down. As his hands re-clench on the corpse's clothing, he inadvertantly squeezes the trigger.

you tell me not to make presumptions and now we are on this shit.

[Chigworthy]

I'm not presuming this to happen, just saying the possibility.

[Snoogans]

I'm not presuming this to happen, just saying the possibility.

call me nuts, but it makes alot more sense to me that this was a hit rather then someone shooting himself in the stomach and then the head.

[Chigworthy]

call me nuts, but it makes alot more sense to me that this was a hit rather then someone shooting himself in the stomach and then the head.

I'm not saying it doesn't, but as a well-trained devil's advocate, I have to present the possibilities. It would really be a long shot for the things I said to happen, but not impossible.

[Snoogans]

I'm not saying it doesn't, but as a well-trained devil's advocate, I have to present the possibilities. It would really be a long shot for the things I said to happen, but not impossible.

Since we are doin that, I like to think Goodell leaked word to Upshaw, and he told the players that this guy ratted them out. They all got 10 Gs a piece and gave it to Pacman and he made shit happen. Thats what I like to believe.

[Chigworthy]

Since we are doin that, I like to think Goodell leaked word to Upshaw, and he told the players that this guy ratted them out. They all got 10 Gs a piece and gave it to Pacman and he made shit happen. Thats what I like to believe.

I'm pretty sure there was a counterfeiting ring involved as well. And the Illuminati. And the Bildeberg Silka.

[Snoogans]

I'm pretty sure there was a counterfeiting ring involved as well. And the Illuminati. And the Bildeberg Silka.

I think Bellechick and the rest of them were a little busy covering up other stuff

[Heather 8]

But I love how there's always people yelling about "steroids don't kill you". You're right. Steroids will first kill your significant other, maybe you're child, and THEN you.

Benoitcides? FAIL. That was mental illness, not roid rage.

[Zorro]

Occam's razor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor)

For what its worth....Occam was using this teaching to prove the existence of God. His basic tenent was if you can't explain it then the most rational explanation is that its God...

[Tenbatsuzen]

chigworthy, as a Devil's Advocate to your theory, this is a guy who is a steroid user, so he's not limp-wristing a gun.

[Chigworthy]

chigworthy, as a Devil's Advocate to your theory, this is a guy who is a steroid user, so he's not limp-wristing a gun.

All it takes is a slightly bent elbow, or a slightly angled wrist. If you are shooting at something closer than an arm length, limp-wristing is highly possible.