So let me get this straight....

[Reynolds]

They show all those videos of police officers in training must be tased, and they say it's not really that harmful. But once the tables are turned, and a criminal uses a taser on an officer, it's ok for the officer to kill him? hmmm..

http://www.kpho.com/news/16537593/detail.html

[Epschtein]

the guy could incapacitate the cop and take his gun, i have no problem with it being open season on anyone dumb enough to taze a cop.

[Reynolds]

the guy could incapacitate the cop and take his gun, i have no problem with it being open season on anyone dumb enough to taze a cop.

3 cops on one guy... Shoot him in the leg or something. He can't tase 3 cops at once.

[tele7]

From what I've heard, police are allowed to use force "one level" above the threat that's directed towards them. One level above a taser may be a gun.

[Reynolds]

From what I've heard, police are allowed to use force "one level" above the threat that's directed towards them. One level above a taser may be a gun.

But you're making the jump from supposedly non life threating, to straight up killing someone. If that's the case you can make that argument for anything. Is there some hierarchy for weapons? What if he had a butter knife? You're limited to a steak knife? Doesn't make any sense.

[tele7]

But you're making the jump from supposedly non life threating, to straight up killing someone. If that's the case you can make that argument for anything. Is there some hierarchy for weapons? What if he had a butter knife? You're limited to a steak knife? Doesn't make any sense.

I actually learned that from jury duty. I do think that "supposedly non life threatening" may have something to do with it though. I'm not a cop, so I have no idea, but what Epschtein said makes sense to me.

[jauble]

the guy could incapacitate the cop and take his gun, i have no problem with it being open season on anyone dumb enough to taze a cop.

correct

[Reynolds]

I actually learned that from jury duty. I do think that "supposedly non life threatening" may have something to do with it though. I'm not a cop, so I have no idea, but what Epschtein said makes sense to me.

You could incapacitate someone with your bare hands if you know what you're doing, so if it was hand to hand skirmish, it's ok for cop B to come in and kill him?

[jauble]

You could incapacitate someone with your bare hands if you know what you're doing, so if it was hand to hand skirmish, it's ok for cop B to come in and kill him?

I dont really want to get into this but this was justifiable for the exact reason the ep descirbed and it was not hand to hand as soon as the guy aquired the taser gun. He beccame a threat to the officers and those around him because he might have been able to take a pistol off of them.

[moochcassidy]

..you put de lime in de coconut

drink em both together

[tele7]

You could incapacitate someone with your bare hands if you know what you're doing, so if it was hand to hand skirmish, it's ok for cop B to come in and kill him?

I don't think so. As for hand to hand the next level would be a billy club or something like that. Again, it's just what I remember from serving on jury duty. No expert here.

I was hoping christhecop was online. I'm sure he can explain it much better than I can.

[Chigworthy]

But you're making the jump from supposedly non life threating, to straight up killing someone. If that's the case you can make that argument for anything. Is there some hierarchy for weapons? What if he had a butter knife? You're limited to a steak knife? Doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense because that's not how it works. Officers are allowed to use force necessary to stop the threat. In the case of someone pointing a taser at an officer, which is a fucking moronic thing to do, you're dealing with human beings that train very seriously about what to do when a gun is pointed at them. These things tend to happen in 3-5 seconds, and when an officer sees a gun-like object being pointed at him or another person, they usually and justifiably pull the trigger. Sometimes cops hesitate and things work out where no one gets killed, and other times cops hesitate and get killed.

And the whole "shoot them in the leg" thing that seems to come up a lot is just not realistic. Officers are trained to use deadly force to stop the threat of great bodily injury or death. The likelyhood of being able to hit the small target of a leg in a situation like this is low, and on top of that, if you miraculously hit someone in the leg, the chances that it would stop the threat are also low. That's why officers are trained to shoot for center mass on a person, because it is the biggest target and offers a high probability of stopping the threat.

I've done simunitions training where you are armed with a real sidearm that is fitted to shoot paintball-like rounds. Every time that a suspect drew a gun on me, I had fired 3-4 rounds into them before I even knew I had drawn my weapon. There is very little concious thought that happens in that 3-5 seconds. It is mostly muscle memory and subconcious routine.

It is very hard for people who haven't had some experience, whether real or training, with this kind of situation to understand just how quick these things happen. That's why there is always speculation and second-guessing after the fact about what should have been done.

[Reynolds]

I dont really want to get into this but this was justifiable for the exact reason the ep descirbed and it was not hand to hand as soon as the guy aquired the taser gun. He beccame a threat to the officers and those around him because he might have been able to take a pistol off of them.

Well fine if you don't want to get into it, I'll stop posting.

[jauble]

Well fine if you don't want to get into it, I'll stop posting.

Ive been largo...I know how things roll there (or at least what one nut job explained to my friends and I).

[Reynolds]

Ive been largo...I know how things roll there (or at least what one nut job explained to my friends and I).

The one and only time I got pulled over here for speeding (48 in a 30 cop was sitting just after the speed zone change from 50 to 30) He turns on his lights, yells at me through the loudspeaker to pull over and 3 other cops immediately appear surrounding me. They were so dramatic I was convinced I was suspected of murder.

[jauble]

The one and only time I got pulled over here for speeding (48 in a 30 cop was sitting just after the speed zone change from 50 to 30) He turns on his lights, yells at me through the loudspeaker to pull over and 3 other cops immediately appear surrounding me. They were so dramatic I was convinced I was suspected of murder.

My friends and I went drunk "camping" for spring break in largo because we didnt care about where we went we just wanted to be warm and the fuck out of ohio. We ended up at a campground and met this crazy fuck named jim. Im terrified of him still but he could cook a mean steak.

[Reynolds]

My friends and I went drunk "camping" for spring break in largo because we didnt care about where we went we just wanted to be warm and the fuck out of ohio. We ended up at a campground and met this crazy fuck named jim. Im terrified of him still but he could cook a mean steak.

Not sure I would eat a steak cooked by a crazy man named jim that lived in a campground.

[jauble]

Not sure I would eat a steak cooked by a crazy man named jim that lived in a campground.

Wrapped it with bacon served it with eggs. About 5 steps off the plank and loved to drink and cook...what more could you ask for in a neighbor at 21?