2009 NHL Offseason Discussion

[MHasegawa]

Thank you, Boston

[spoon]

My goalie turned me onto this: you can wash your equipment in a front load washer and it doesn't tear your shit up. Usually takes 2 loads- I do shin guard, shoulder pads and elbow pads in one load and gloves and pants in the second. Works great, just takes a bit of time to dry. Still haven't gotten all of the stink out, but getting better every wash.

Course, I'll probably be posting in six months that I totally fucked up my front load, but for now it is working.

NAh, no matter what they say, this breaks down the pads much sooner than they should...including those machines up in Montreal as well Gwen. Funny enough, I too have played in the Mont tournament in late April as well so I wonder if we've actually played each other. My pads are as good as it gets mainly bc I take them out right after my game and air them out. They still stink, but nothing like the other guys on the team. Most of those lazy disgusting fucks simply toss the bag on the floor and leave it there filled and soaked until the next game. Some even where the same damn shirt under the pads for weeks! Awful.

[spoon]

so the trading has begun...

with all the teams in the west still in it, and a few in the east, do we really expect to see a lot of activity? or the same type of deals we have in the past few years?

"all the teams in the west still in it"?!?!?!

Fuck you they are!

My Avs are making their run at Tavares sweepstakes baby! Bring up the youth and lose away....except against shitty goalies like Theo!

Ha!

[spoon]

let's get it on, spoon! (no homo)

Yah, uh, when you shoot shit at Marty like that you can't expect to win a damn thing. Fuck the Avs are awful right now. I'm so glad I didn't pay for those tix tonight. The Goal Bar seats were sweet though, and Parise was all over the place.

[hammersavage]

Too bad it took Brodeur a little time to get back in form.


/sarcasm

[nate1000]

NAh, no matter what they say, this breaks down the pads much sooner than they should...including those machines up in Montreal as well Gwen. Funny enough, I too have played in the Mont tournament in late April as well so I wonder if we've actually played each other. My pads are as good as it gets mainly bc I take them out right after my game and air them out. They still stink, but nothing like the other guys on the team. Most of those lazy disgusting fucks simply toss the bag on the floor and leave it there filled and soaked until the next game. Some even where the same damn shirt under the pads for weeks! Awful.

I don't know, spoon. I've watched them go through the entire cycle and, aside from the spin cycle, there is very little agitation. It just kind of runs the soap & water through the pads. I'll let you know if they start to break down.

[nate1000]

And not to beat a dead horse, but can someone please tell those redneck assholes down in Raleigh that there is no cheerleading in hockey. Again.

[Fallon]

Thank you, Boston

B's beat shit shit out of the Ducks last night, all around awesome performance. Though Lucic and Savard are now banged up.

[denko]

B's beat shit shit out of the Ducks last night, all around awesome performance. Though Lucic and Savard are now banged up.

i've been waiting for the backlash of lucic trying to pound brown after he went down, put he took a couple sucker punches in front of the net, and brown landed a hard right before lucic's gloves een hit the ice. he just lost his mind.

[weekapaugjz]

i read a rumor on sports illustrated.com that the bruins were gonna trade kessel for pronger. i can't imagine why the b's would want to give up kessel. he is young and only gonna improve and leads the team in points. this rumor kinda baffled me. are the b's really hurting for defense at this point?

[denko]

i read a rumor on sports illustrated.com that the bruins were gonna trade kessel for pronger. i can't imagine why the b's would want to give up kessel. he is young and only gonna improve and leads the team in points. this rumor kinda baffled me. are the b's really hurting for defense at this point?

kessel is 3rd in points, with 45 (only three more pts than dennis wideman) savard (67) leads the team. i can't imagine the bruins bringing in another defensman. they're doing just fine back there. what they need is a left handed shot down low. LW is what they'd be looking for IMO.

[mdr55]

Let's Go DEVILS!!!:devil2:

[weekapaugjz]

kessel is 3rd in points, with 45 (only three more pts than dennis wideman) savard (67) leads the team. i can't imagine the bruins bringing in another defensman. they're doing just fine back there. what they need is a left handed shot down low. LW is what they'd be looking for IMO.

Yeah, that's my mistake. I meant goals.

[stump12]

Lucic had every right to pound that guy to the ground. As much as I love Savard as a player he is the biggest pussy, his fight was aweful. I dont get these rumors either. The D is fine and they only had a rough patch cause Ryder was out. They should go after Tkachuk but they cant give up tpp much for him.

[denko]

they said the other day that tkachuk's fate will be determined by the next few games . if they can win and stay in it he might not go anywhere.

[stump12]

I think if the Blues can get some decent talent from the Bs theyre not gonna throw it away now. They have to know they cant possibly match up with the Wings or the Sharks in the playoffs.

[weekapaugjz]

sabres better fucking beat the islanders tonight. if they don't, they are pathetic.

[weekapaugjz]

the announcers on msg were just talking about bill guerin. he is not in the line up tonight, was not a scratch, was not injured, and has waived his no trade clause. i wonder who he is gonna be playing for now?

[NickyL0885]

the announcers on msg were just talking about bill guerin. he is not in the line up tonight, was not a scratch, was not injured, and has waived his no trade clause. i wonder who he is gonna be playing for now?

Good. Keep stock piling picks. I love what Snow has done so far. Get as many picks as possible. They already have 2 1st rounders, 3 2nd Rounders and 2 o r3 3rd Rounders. They def will be moving up on draft day. I can see the pick they got from the Sens and a 2nd rounder to move up to the middle of the 1st round.

[spoon]

Too bad it took Brodeur a little time to get back in form.


/sarcasm

Again, Avalanche. Absolutely nothing has been proven. If anything, the Devils and Parise are flying. Just look at today's game, somehow the Devs won easy .... why? They only allowed 17 shots and Marty did let 2 in. His save % was .882 versus a shut down Panthers team. It's Marty, he'll be fine but I'm sure he's not as back as the Avs made him look. Just take a look at how good they're making the Rangers look with the coach I wanted in Colorado.

Tavares baby!

[DrDrew319]

Thank God for the Rangers finally putting together a good period:clap:

[spoon]

I don't know, spoon. I've watched them go through the entire cycle and, aside from the spin cycle, there is very little agitation. It just kind of runs the soap & water through the pads. I'll let you know if they start to break down.

The soap and water process alone (plus the other chems) cause the quicker breakdown. Pads simply weren't made for it, and just look at clothes that are, they still break down bc of washings or suits due to dry cleaning.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I can't wait until i go to the battle of the 15 seeds on Monday night, I hope the Avs put a better effort then todays so far.

[spoon]

And not to beat a dead horse, but can someone please tell those redneck assholes down in Raleigh that there is no cheerleading in hockey. Again.

Yah, well I finally went to the Rock this thursday and the Devs have them too. It just didn't fit and looked stupid. However, the arena was pretty fucking killer. We sat at the goal bar above the visiting goalie, so we also saw all the action! Avs lost 4-0 and all.

Newark sucks though. The NJPAC and arena truly stand alone right now. They need to have occupation strategies, not just the invasion tactics. Will the US ever learn from Iraq and Vietnam?!

[spoon]

Thank God for the Rangers finally putting together a good period:clap:

Avs, calm down.

And I'm serious, it's the worst hockey I've seen them play since the 80's in Quebec.

[spoon]

I can't wait until i go to the battle of the 15 seeds on Monday night, I hope the Avs put a better effort then todays so far.

Ha! Me too, I'll be there!

I'm so glad I didn't put up the money for this game tonight. Even worse than normal thus far.

Perhaps I'll see you at the Tavares Bowl on Monday!

Peace.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I think they may actually lose by double digits tonight. It feels like the early 90's all over again.

[El Mudo]

Alexander Semin ripped off Steve Yzerman...

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Hoo Hoo

[NickyL0885]

Reports is that Guerin has been traded to a Eastern Conference team. Teams want to announce it tomorrow but you know someone will have the details leaked to the media.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Reports is that Guerin has been traded to a Eastern Conference team. Teams want to announce it tomorrow but you know someone will have the details leaked to the media.

My guess is Washington. I have nothing to back this up, its just a guess.

[cougarjake13]

googling got me this



9:02 pm - Here’s the latest on what we know so far, as we wait to break this baby - or gladly watch as someone else breaks it for you:



The deal is done “in principle.”


Both the Islanders and Guerin are said to be “very pleased” with the trade.


An expert we count on for his great eye for this stuff says the deal is not to New Jersey or Boston. Montreal and Washington seem to lead the pack, but that could be because the Islanders had two scouts at their game against each other this afternoon. (Take this bullet with the least grain of salt).


At least hree teams seriously joined the hunt for Guerin since we broke the news on Thursday night that the captain was willling to waive his no-move clause.


Since Guerin’s no-move gave him all the cards, his preference of the three teams was likely met. Guerin was hopeful of a Stanley Cup-contending team in the East.

[weekapaugjz]

like i said, fucking pathetic. this team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs.

[spoon]

like i said, fucking pathetic. this team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs.

I'll raise ur Buffalo fucking pathetic with an absolute garbage Colorado effort night after night. Why hit the other team when you can turnover the puck!

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I don't know where Darcy Tucker learned to fight, but he needs more lessons.

[spoon]

Anyone else catch the latest rant on the NHL being destroyed by the style of game played?? It was pretty good in my mind, and really defended the US/Canadian game (somewhat the Fin game too) of tough hitting and fights when needed. His example was how Detroit is still at the top but now can't and haven't filled the arena for years despite the title. Fans have voiced that games are boring versus the old days and backed it up with the fact that Lidstrom only had 8 hits in the playoffs last year, Datsyuk only hits from behind and the team as a whole doesn't even have 10 fights yet this year. On top of this, the NHL surely wants this transition to the European game and guess who benefits, teams that play the style and questions come into what was known and what wasn't. He hinted on how he truly feels they wouldn't have won shit if the game was played right.

I have to agree on the physical side of the game being lost throughout the league, and I'll use the NYR/Av game tonight to show how even a bad game kept me watching bc it got "ugly". I'm so against the way the league is going (not that I think the Avs would win in either system right now) calling all these clean hits, not allowing people to fight, breaking them up WAY too quick and so much more. Hell, if you even try to play a tough forecheck/hitting game, you end up in the penalty box all night even with very clean hits.

The league is the NHL, we don't need to bring the Swedish Elite League here, or any other. There is more hitting in my adult league games right now compared to the average NHL game, especially teams like Washington, Pittsburgh and Detroit. Add the fact that these european cunts also consistently hit from behind, slash the hands and run from conflict and it gets me so angry when I watch game I want to punch the fucking euro trash through the screen.

I totally agree with the disgruntled/spoiled Red Wing fans and the real Don.

This is for your Caps and that fighting nightmare Semin Mudo!

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[spoon]

I don't know where Darcy Tucker learned to fight, but he needs more lessons.

The feed I watched showed him get jumped like Mclean by Crosby, so I guess I fail to see your point. Not to mention Tucker wanted to actually fight too, but the refs refused to let them finish it...or start it. Fuck the NHL and the ref guidelines of late. I love the fact that Orr went out and picked our 2nd line winger to fight, brave brave man. Let's not go after McLeod, Lappy or at least someone looking to go.

Say what you want, but congrats Ranger fans on winning versus the Avs for the first time in 8 years. You beat us at our peak....oh wait, the worst year in the Av's history.

Tavares / Hedman Now!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Were the Rangers actually crashing the net and going after rebounds?

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS STYLE OF PLAY BEFORE

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Right off the face-off he skated right at Mara. Mara grabbed him threw him on the ice and punch him in the back of the head twice before the linesmen got there. For a team that has one scoring line and 3 fourth lines, they don't really have any heavyweights. They put this team together horribly. There are only like 4-5 guys worth keeping on the roster.

[spoon]

Right off the face-off he skated right at Mara. Mara grabbed him threw him on the ice and punch him in the back of the head twice before the linesmen got there. For a team that has one scoring line and 3 fourth lines, they don't really have any heavyweights. They put this team together horribly. There are only like 4-5 guys worth keeping on the roster.

First off, not really Matty as most goals were just one and in. Second, yes the team is in bad shape and the lines are off, but losing your 1st and 2nd line center will hurt when both your goalies couldn't start in the OHL. As for the heavyweight concern, who cares? Lappy and McLeod protect this team fine and Tucker is always an asshole (I hated him before and now), so in the NHL these days they actually have too much. Still, they tossed both Lappy and McLeod as soon as possible and never let them go at it, so they really couldn't do their thing as the NHL had to protect the NY market just like every league unfortunately. Sorry, McLeod got punched in the face after the whistle and he defended himself, even against ANOTHER 3rd man in from the Rangers with not even one call. Fuck the refs of this game too, how many hooks and cross-checks do you let go one way and then call the smallest of shit the other until the game was in hand. Hell, even after every fight the Avs got the extra PIMs. Come on, try to make it look less obvious you NBA ref wannabes.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I guess they just spoiled us for the last 14-15 years. They need to upgrade the goaltending and get a little more scoring punch and maybe some defensive speed. Scott Hannan just lightly skated back into the zone on the first goal and the Ranger just skated by him and got the pass to score. Now I'm reading that a lot of teams have called and Hedjuk because he's in the last year of his contract.

[spoon]

I guess they just spoiled us for the last 14-15 years. They need to upgrade the goaltending and get a little more scoring punch and maybe some defensive speed. Scott Hannan just lightly skated back into the zone on the first goal and the Ranger just skated by him and got the pass to score. Now I'm reading that a lot of teams have called and Hedjuk because he's in the last year of his contract.

I thought you were a Islander fan, are you actually the second Av fan on this board!?

If so, nice and welcome to hell (here and as a current Av fan).

My girl absolutely hates Hannan, and I can't argue his lack of aggression and hitting. He constantly jumps up on plays with very little offensive upside and can't make an outlet pass for shit. The good news is that Avs have real good talent in the system with the likes of Shattenkirk and his college d pairing buddy, but the O is where I'm worried. Sure they can make moves to fill up some spots, but that gets expensive and you need a constant supply of young talent to fill the roles around them. Hensick and the others just won't cut it, hence the fall from grace. That along with awful signings like Tucker (over keeping Bru for fucks sake), Hannan, Foote (love him, but a Free agent that summer and it cost top picks for a pseudo Cup run with THEO), Clark (WAY too much for a life lone minor leaguer with one good NHL year under his belt) and Raycroft (sorry, how about a number 1 for once).

Could be a tough offseason unless someone takes these contracts off their hands. Hejduk stated many times he's not long for this league after his contract expires in 2010, so moving him now might be a smart move. Sure he's one of the few guys on the team who can play in all three zones, but all he can do now is help us lose closer games. I'd hate to see the guy go, but if they could land some youth/early picks in such a deep draft, you have to make it.

[NickyL0885]

Reports out of Canada is that Bill Guerin to the Rangers for Redden and the Rangers 1rd pick.


Isles Get: Redden and 1s Rounder


Rangers Get: Guerin


Now, this could be wrong but thats what the canadien outlets are saying. I love the deal. It would give us 3 first rounders.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Yes, I'm an Avs fan, not that i want to say that to loudly nowadays. I say just have a fire sale at the deadline and play the young guys for the end of the season and try and do something over the summer.

And if that Guerin to the Rangers is true, why would the Isles help out the Rangers by taking there big contract mistake. I guess it opens some cap room for Avery on Monday too.

[NickyL0885]

Yes, I'm an Avs fan, not that i want to say that to loudly nowadays. I say just have a fire sale at the deadline and play the young guys for the end of the season and try and do something over the summer.

And if that Guerin to the Rangers is true, why would the Isles help out the Rangers by taking there big contract mistake. I guess it opens some cap room for Avery on Monday too.

Its for the draft pick basically. Plus the Isles can take the money since they have so much cap room.


Again, I could be wrong.

[lleeder]

Thats true he's got 5 years left on his deal.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

He is making like 6 and a half mil a year right? I'm sure they could find a better way to spend that money. Maybe on someone who can score a goal or 30.

[lleeder]

He is making like 6 and a half mil a year right? I'm sure they could find a better way to spend that money. Maybe on someone who can score a goal or 30.

This is the Islanders we're talking about so I think this deal makes perfect sense. Then with one of the picks we can get a goalie to replace our franchise player that's continuously injured.

[NickyL0885]

This is the Islanders we're talking about so I think this deal makes perfect sense. Then with one of the picks we can get a goalie to replace our franchise player that's continuously injured.

The Isles have a pretty good goalie prospect in Stefan Ridderwall. He will prob end up as the back up in about 2 years. If the Isles land the 1st overall pick and take Tavares , I can see them going with defense with the next two picks. Although they need offense more then anything.

[weekapaugjz]

The Isles have a pretty good goalie prospect in Stefan Ridderwall. He will prob end up as the back up in about 2 years. If the Isles land the 1st overall pick and take Tavares , I can see them going with defense with the next two picks. Although they need offense more then anything.

you are gonna piss off spoon with that tavares talk.

[lleeder]

The Isles have a pretty good goalie prospect in Stefan Ridderwall. He will prob end up as the back up in about 2 years. If the Isles land the 1st overall pick and take Tavares , I can see them going with defense with the next two picks. Although they need offense more then anything.

They need a starting goalie. There's no way DP starts the season next year.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

This is the Islanders we are talking about. They are going to finish with the worst record and lose the draft lottery.

[lleeder]

This is the Islanders we are talking about. They are going to finish with the worst record and lose the draft lottery.

True.

[NickyL0885]

This is the Islanders we are talking about. They are going to finish with the worst record and lose the draft lottery.

If the Isles finish last, they can get no worse then the 2nd pick in the draft. And everyone says Tavares and Hedman are basically 1A and 1B. You can take either one and its a great pick. Tavares is the top forward in the draft and Hedman the top D man.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I think they can go as low as picking fourth in the draft if they finish last overall.

[NickyL0885]

I think they can go as low as picking fourth in the draft if they finish last overall.

nope. if a team finishes last, they cant do worse then the 2nd pick.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Hockey Night in Canada is reporting its Washington for Guerin.

[NickyL0885]

Hockey Night in Canada is reporting its Washington for Guerin.

I heard that they think that only b/c they did a process of elimination. Also, they called every GM of the teams that would be involved.

[El Mudo]

Guerin doesn't fit in the system here, he's 37 years old, and he has a 4 and half million dollar cap hit (when we don't have enough room already)...

Other than that, he's great...I'd much rather have Pronger

[ihaveabadmonkey]

They only would have to pay him for a month and a half tops so they aren't paying that much for him. I'm sure him playing like 10 minutes on the 3rd line wont hurt them.

[denko]

Guerin doesn't fit in the system here, he's 37 years old, and he has a 4 and half million dollar cap hit (when we don't have enough room already)...

Other than that, he's great...I'd much rather have Pronger

pretty good game yesterday, B's were swarming in the third an jose shut them down. PP and 5 on 5 they were attacking the net. 2x all-star thomas gave up a weak one to BOTH alexanders but other than that it wasn't bad. i really hope they don't meet in the playoffs, as a B's fan, but as a fan of hockey in general i'm praying for it. if that makes sense... it was a close season series between the two teams.


i really liked guerin when he was in boston, he fought, he scored, he did it all. left to dallas for the big $$$ and kinda trailed off. too bad.

[Gwen]

I am so pissed I wasn't able to get on a computer last night during the game as we were in LI. What the hell started all the fighting in the first place. We were watching, but the volume was off so we couldn't hear. Even watching On The Fly, they show the fights, but didn't mention what started the whole damn thing.

Oh, and Matty, ye of little faith, bet you wish you could take that text back from last night!!

Guerin in and Redden out? I could definitely live with that, I'm only pumped in that the cancer is slowly going. It might make sense in conjunction with the Avery thing. We have little to no cap room and we free up six mil to take on 4.5 and the 2 we'd need to pay on Avery.

[denko]

they got wade listed @ $8m here... http://nhlpa.com/WebStats/PlayerBiography.asp?ID=4662

[Gwen]

My bad, I thought he was 6. Either way, still grossly overpaid.

Anyhow, for all of you guys check you Cable & Satellite stuff if you don't have it 'cause March 2 - 7 will be a free preview of the NHL network (http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/02/nhl_network_to_offer_free_prev.html) including lotsa coverage on trade deadline day.

[El Mudo]

pretty good game yesterday, B's were swarming in the third an jose shut them down. PP and 5 on 5 they were attacking the net. 2x all-star thomas gave up a weak one to BOTH alexanders but other than that it wasn't bad. i really hope they don't meet in the playoffs, as a B's fan, but as a fan of hockey in general i'm praying for it. if that makes sense... it was a close season series between the two teams.


i really liked guerin when he was in boston, he fought, he scored, he did it all. left to dallas for the big $$$ and kinda trailed off. too bad.



He's not really an upgrade over Flash or Fehr at this point in his career

[El Mudo]

Anyone else catch the latest rant on the NHL being destroyed by the style of game played?? It was pretty good in my mind, and really defended the US/Canadian game (somewhat the Fin game too) of tough hitting and fights when needed. His example was how Detroit is still at the top but now can't and haven't filled the arena for years despite the title. Fans have voiced that games are boring versus the old days and backed it up with the fact that Lidstrom only had 8 hits in the playoffs last year, Datsyuk only hits from behind and the team as a whole doesn't even have 10 fights yet this year. On top of this, the NHL surely wants this transition to the European game and guess who benefits, teams that play the style and questions come into what was known and what wasn't. He hinted on how he truly feels they wouldn't have won shit if the game was played right.

I have to agree on the physical side of the game being lost throughout the league, and I'll use the NYR/Av game tonight to show how even a bad game kept me watching bc it got "ugly". I'm so against the way the league is going (not that I think the Avs would win in either system right now) calling all these clean hits, not allowing people to fight, breaking them up WAY too quick and so much more. Hell, if you even try to play a tough forecheck/hitting game, you end up in the penalty box all night even with very clean hits.

The league is the NHL, we don't need to bring the Swedish Elite League here, or any other. There is more hitting in my adult league games right now compared to the average NHL game, especially teams like Washington, Pittsburgh and Detroit. Add the fact that these european cunts also consistently hit from behind, slash the hands and run from conflict and it gets me so angry when I watch game I want to punch the fucking euro trash through the screen.

I totally agree with the disgruntled/spoiled Red Wing fans and the real Don.

This is for your Caps and that fighting nightmare Semin Mudo!

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Maybe they haven't been filling the arena in Detroit because the economy's bad there? They don't seem to have a problem filling the arenas in DC and Pittsburgh where they play "boring" hockey?

That's really great that you call out so called "european cunts" for their style of play. Damn those guys like Derek Boogaard (just suspended 5 games for an elbow to the head), Denis Gauthier (suspended multiple times this year), Steve Ott, Sean Avery, Marty McSorley and Dale Hunter.

Wait...those guys aren't European?


This guy's got to be European too right?


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No wait!! He's Canadian??? You don't say!

This crap about "playing the game the right way" aka "the canadian way", HAS to stop. When things like that get said, its no different than those goofs who hate ARod because he's not a "true yankee".

Guess what? There are dirty Europeans....but there are dirty Canadians too, and there always have been, and saying a guy plays dirty simply because he's European is goddamn retarded.

Personally, I feel the game has never been better. The game has opened up tremendously under the new rules, and the guys can skate and shoot and get free without being hooked and held to death, and its more exciting than it ever has been, and that includes the 80s, which everyone holds up as this "golden age" of the game.

[El Mudo]

BTW, Alexander Ovechkin is 6th overall in hits, and Zybanek Michalek leads the league in blocked shots...

What a couple of cunts!

[ihaveabadmonkey]

How has nothing leaked in the last 15 or so hours about this trade? What is this world coming to. I bet the NHL is so please that their only game tomorrow night with national coverage in two countries is between the worst team in both conferences.

[stump12]

The suspense is killing me. I have heard that its not the Bruins. But I also heard the Bruins have some cap room because of marco sturm out for the year. He has had some good years here. Id wouldnt mind seeing Tkachuk in a Bs uni either.

[El Mudo]

Try SBNation's Trade Deadline Blogs Hub....good stuff on there


Link (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/tradedeadline)


And our beat reporter in DC (Tarik El-Bashir) says his sources are telling him no Guerin in DC (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/2009/03/guerin_not_coming_to_washingto.html)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh, and Matty, ye of little faith, bet you wish you could take that text back from last night!!

Guerin in and Redden out? I could definitely live with that, I'm only pumped in that the cancer is slowly going. It might make sense in conjunction with the Avery thing. We have little to no cap room and we free up six mil to take on 4.5 and the 2 we'd need to pay on Avery.

Gwen, I want to become the Randy Quaid of Major LEague II for the Rangers.

[Gwen]

Gwen, I want to become the Randy Quaid of Major LEague II for the Rangers.

Sadly, (though I say thankfully) this reference is wasted on me as I've never seen any Major League movie.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Sadly, (though I say thankfully) this reference is wasted on me as I've never seen any Major League movie.

I'm surprised - does Andrew like baseball?

I would probably say Major League I and II are up there in maybe the top 50 sports movies of all time. Major League I is probably top 20.

[Gwen]

I'm surprised - does Andrew like baseball?


No, neither of us can stand baseball. We only like hockey, football and tennis. I used to like baseball when I was younger and we had season Mets seats, but then I realized baseball is quite possibly the most boring game in the world.

Then, I fell in love with America Junior's pass-time, and life was never the same.

[denko]

The suspense is killing me. I have heard that its not the Bruins. But I also heard the Bruins have some cap room because of marco sturm out for the year. He has had some good years here. Id wouldnt mind seeing Tkachuk in a Bs uni either.

douche arnold on weei has been pushing a manny trade ($4.75) for months now. i for one, think that is a bad idea. between that and sturm they some room. sturm gives them 3.5 to play with anyway, tkachuk listed at 4.5.

[El Mudo]

Sledge Hockey Fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[Tenbatsuzen]

I know Gwen will get a kick out of this, but this morning on Carton and Boomer on WFAN, they were just RAILING Johnny Oduya, and started calling him Johnny "I'll Do Ya".

They were also playing out-of-context sound clips from him. Hard to explain, but still hilarious.

[LZMan1]

i was at yesterday afternoon's game against the flyers. it's always great to see the devils beat the flyers.

2nd shutout in his 3rd game back. 100th of his career.

[El Mudo]

Devils get Havelid from Thrashers... (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269487&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main#)


I think New Jersey's going to win the Cup...not even being sarcastic

[TheGameHHH]

Devils get Havelid from Thrashers... (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269487&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main#)


I think New Jersey's going to win the Cup...not even being sarcastic

good move

and dont think that jinx shit is working now, im feelin good about these guys. they have a serious run in them come May/June if they want it.

[El Mudo]

good move

and dont think that jinx shit is working now, im feelin good about these guys. they have a serious run in them come May/June if they want it.


I'm not even trying to jinx them. They're great defensively, they're LOADED up front with scoring, Parise is playing out of his mind, and they've got some real tough, playoff experienced players. They've got more O than Boston does, they're tougher and better defensively than DC, and they just pushed around the Flyers yesterday, who are as big and as physical as it gets in the East.

Add all that up with the fact that Brodeur has barely played this year? They're coming out of the East IMO, as much as I hate to admit it.

[El Mudo]

Backstrom re-signs with Wild (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3948480)

He had been rumoured to be heading to a lot of places (including DC), so doesn't look like that's going to happen.

This will be the 4th straight game Michael Nylander has been scratched...lets hope they can find someone to take his salary and get him the heck outta here (stupid no trade clauses)

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Surprise Surprise

Rangers claimed Avery today.

[Freitag]

Surprise Surprise

Rangers claimed Avery today.

*matty starts waving his hands around in GameHHH's face*

[ihaveabadmonkey]

How long before Torterella kills Avery? I don't think he is to fond of him.

[El Mudo]

Miro Satan, Gary Roberts, Brendan Morrison, Aaron Voros, Darth Gerber among those placed on waivers (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269562&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main)


I think Roberts would be a GREAT fit here in DC

[Freitag]

Miro Satan, Gary Roberts, Brendan Morrison, Aaron Voros, Darth Gerber among those placed on waivers (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269562&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main)


I think Roberts would be a GREAT fit here in DC

Voros? Really? Hm.

oh and:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/speedk0re/motivatorAvery.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

*matty starts waving his hands around in GameHHH's face*

*Game continues to be the greatest of all time while Matty continues to be a d-bag*

[weekapaugjz]

why the fuck isn't versus showing the flyers/bruins game tonight? oh yeah, they can't take crosby's cock outta their mouth.

[MHasegawa]

Yeah, its a shame that NBC shares that cock as well. Anyway, big game for the Oil tonight taking on 9th ranked Nashville, they're 1 point behind Edmonton - it's crazy how tight the Western conference is.

[hexy68]

why the fuck isn't versus showing the flyers/bruins game tonight? oh yeah, they can't take crosby's cock outta their mouth.

i hear what you're saying, but isn't sid the fag still hurt?

[weekapaugjz]

i hear what you're saying, but isn't sid the fag still hurt?

yes, he is. versus schedules all the games at the beginning of the season and im sure they thought crosby and the pens were going to be #1 in the east and stomping teams. i don't understand why they cant switch up the games based on what happens during the year. i would love to watch the bruins/flyers game but unfortunately am stuck watching this shit game.

also, i thought i read that satan had been waived? i just saw him out on the ice.

[hexy68]

trade deadline tomorrow folks...any blockbusters out there??

[weekapaugjz]

trade deadline tomorrow folks...any blockbusters out there??

rumor out of buffalo is that there could be a three way trade between buff/philly/phoenix. philly would send biron to phoenix for derrick morris, then buffalo ships henrik tallinder and max afinogenov to phoenix for biron.

im not so sure i believe it though. do the flyers have enough faith in niittymaki to carry them in the playoffs?

[hexy68]

rumor out of buffalo is that there could be a three way trade between buff/philly/phoenix. philly would send biron to phoenix for derrick morris, then buffalo ships henrik tallinder and max afinogenov to phoenix for biron.

im not so sure i believe it though. do the flyers have enough faith in niittymaki to carry them in the playoffs?

wow...that's news here...i trust nitty BUT Flyers would have to bring up Munroe from the phantoms to back him up in the playoffs....i don't see how this trade would help philly

[ihaveabadmonkey]

There is a free preview this week of NHL Center Ice, so you can check out all the games and the NHL Network for trade deadline day tomorrow.

[hexy68]

There is a free preview this week of NHL Center Ice, so you can check out all the games and the NHL Network for trade deadline day tomorrow.

how do i get it?...i have comcast digital

[El Mudo]

yes, he is. versus schedules all the games at the beginning of the season and im sure they thought crosby and the pens were going to be #1 in the east and stomping teams. i don't understand why they cant switch up the games based on what happens during the year. i would love to watch the bruins/flyers game but unfortunately am stuck watching this shit game.

also, i thought i read that satan had been waived? i just saw him out on the ice.



They put him on waivers...just means they can take his salary off the books if they don't deal him

Link (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/hockey/blog/2009/03/miroslav_satan_anyone.html)

He is there for the taking, on waivers. It's not a good bet that anybody takes him. If he clears by tomorrow, the Penguins will have the option of sending him to the minors to clear cap space.


Link 2 (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_614278.html)

Winger Miroslav Satan is scheduled to play tonight for the Penguins at Tampa Bay, even though he was placed on waivers this afternoon.

Satan, 34, can be claimed by any team, and the Penguins would have the option of pulling him from the waiver list. If Satan clears waivers, the Penguins could send him to AHL affiliate Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, where his salary would not count against the current cap.


I for some reason still have my Centre Ice Preview, so I've been watching a little of the B's and Flyers while the Caps are sucking a fat one tonight against the Canes

[El Mudo]

wow...that's news here...i trust nitty BUT Flyers would have to bring up Munroe from the phantoms to back him up in the playoffs....i don't see how this trade would help philly


Biron's got a no trade clause

[weekapaugjz]

They put him on waivers...just means they can take his salary off the books if they don't deal him

Link (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/hockey/blog/2009/03/miroslav_satan_anyone.html)




Link 2 (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_614278.html)




I for some reason still have my Centre Ice Preview, so I've been watching a little of the B's and Flyers while the Caps are sucking a fat one tonight against the Canes

thanks for clearing that up. i thought that once someone was on waivers, they could not play with that team until being called back up on re-entry waivers. learn something new everyday.

[weekapaugjz]

Biron's got a no trade clause

the article i read said he would waive it to go back to buffalo because that's where he lives in the off season. but i take most of these rumors with a grain of salt until it actually happens.

[hexy68]

the article i read said he would waive it to go back to buffalo because that's where he lives in the off season. but i take most of these rumors with a grain of salt until it actually happens.

do you think he'd like to back-up ryan miller again?

[ihaveabadmonkey]

how do i get it?...i have comcast digital

i think the games are in the 770's. im not positive though

[weekapaugjz]

do you think he'd like to back-up ryan miller again?

he wouldn't be backing him up this year.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

isn't miller hurt and out for a few weeks?

[weekapaugjz]

isn't miller hurt and out for a few weeks?

yes, there is no time table for when he will be back, or if he will be back.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

they don't want to ride Lalime into the playoffs?

[weekapaugjz]

they don't want to ride Lalime into the playoffs?

would you want to have your playoff hopes riding on patrick lalime in net? i think that question answers itself.

[hexy68]

isn't miller hurt and out for a few weeks?

ah..thanks for the info you two...i haven't been keeping up with Buff news

[El Mudo]

I love trade deadline day!! Hooray!!! Its just like christmas!! :clap::clap:

And I will be at my desk at work all day...woo hoo!

[denko]

I love trade deadline day!! Hooray!!! Its just like christmas!! :clap::clap:


i love it too. i listened to XM's home ice for 2 hrs yesterday before i realized the deadline was today.

TSN reports the ducks have taken pronger (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269697&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main) off the market

[El Mudo]

i love it too. i listened to XM's home ice for 2 hrs yesterday before i realized the deadline was today.

TSN reports the ducks have taken pronger (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269697&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main) off the market


Beat me to posting the link :wink:

I never thought it made sense to trade him on their part anyway...they're in the thick of the playoff race, and he didn't want to leave, and he has a few years left on his deal

[El Mudo]

Mirtle's list of 190 UFA potential rental players (http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/3/3/779413/your-trade-deadline-cheat)

[denko]

i was starting to warm up to a kessel, lashoff, 1st rounder for pronger deal too. not that the B's defense is struggling, but if they meet a team like the caps in the playoffs they will need another big guy back there. ovechkin would wear out chara in no time.

scott hartnell is the biggest DOUCHE in hockey. makes avery look like a lady bing candidate. he will get his comeuppance soon enough.

[El Mudo]

i was starting to warm up to a kessel, lashoff, 1st rounder for pronger deal too. not that the B's defense is struggling, but if they meet a team like the caps in the playoffs they will need another big guy back there. ovechkin would wear out chara in no time.

scott hartnell is the biggest DOUCHE in hockey. makes avery look like a lady bing candidate. he will get his comeuppance soon enough.


Kessel's a stud....no way would I give him up for Pronger. It'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[denko]

Mirtle's list of 190 UFA potential rental players (http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/3/3/779413/your-trade-deadline-cheat)

pretty bland list, (for the sellers) IMO. there is really nodoby on there i'd be willing to give up anything for.

[Dan 'Hampton]

i was starting to warm up to a kessel, lashoff, 1st rounder for pronger deal too. not that the B's defense is struggling, but if they meet a team like the caps in the playoffs they will need another big guy back there. ovechkin would wear out chara in no time.

scott hartnell is the biggest DOUCHE in hockey. makes avery look like a lady bing candidate. he will get his comeuppance soon enough.

Not after one of our guys "cuts him in half". Great week to get NHL network.

[El Mudo]

Rumours...

Bryzgalov and Morris to PHI for Biron, Lupul and Upshall? (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3949967&type=blogEntry)

[El Mudo]

According to TSN, If a team has $1 million in cap space, they can sign someone with a cap hit of $4.5 million for the rest of this season

[Freitag]

In what could be a huge blockbuster, the Devils are shopping Clemmensen.

[El Mudo]

Some chatter about Bouwmeester to Vancouver, and the Rangers possibly claiming Mark Recchi off waivers

[El Mudo]

Filip Kuba's reupped...no move for him

Chris Neil to San Jose is going around

[El Mudo]

Antoine Vermette to CBJ for Pascal Leclaire

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Seriously, only one trade? what is going on?

[El Mudo]

Nothing...don't know why...

Last year there were 25 deals...could be an economic thing?

[ihaveabadmonkey]

i think my tsn trade tracker is going to burn into the screen if it doesnt change soon.

[El Mudo]

Chatter about Jokinen to Calgary

[Dan 'Hampton]

Chatter about Jokinen to Calgary

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Nightline/ht_little_league1_070627_ssh.jpg

[El Mudo]

Jordan Leopold to the Flames for Lawrence Nycholat and a pick

[ihaveabadmonkey]

I think this is a first of many trades for the Avs today. I hope they get rid of about 8 fowards and two goales now.

[El Mudo]

Tellqvist to Buffalo

Darth Gerber to Toronto

[El Mudo]

Brendan Morrison to Dallas

[ihaveabadmonkey]

i don't see these showing up yet, is my tsn slow?

[El Mudo]

Theyre up there now on the live trade tracker

[El Mudo]

ESPN's reporting Jokinen to Calgary for Lombardi and a first

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Flames are really trying to make a run at this thing huh.

[razorboy]

I'll be interested to see what Recchi nets in a trade.

[Freitag]

Not a shock that Phoenix is selling. Glendale's been quietly bailing them out for the past six months.

It's a shame too... it's a fun place to watch hockey.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Ovechin hurt in practice. Hit by a shot in the foot.
rumor has it that the teammate was taken out back and killed.

[El Mudo]

Ovechin hurt in practice. Hit by a shot in the foot.
rumor has it that the teammate was taken out back and killed.

Nah...Tarik and Coach Gabby say he's okay.

Bruins send Nokaleinen to Anaheim for Steve Montador

[razorboy]

Ovechin hurt in practice. Hit by a shot in the foot.

Did the Caps sign Plaxico?

[El Mudo]

What's more amazing is that Brian Pothier has been cleared to play by a doctor after being out close to a year and a half now with a concussion

[El Mudo]

Dominic Moore to the Hawks

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Recchi to Bruins

[El Mudo]

Recchi to Boston

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Where is this phantom Guerin trade?

[Fallon]

Bruins send Nokaleinen to Anaheim for Steve Montador

Nokaleinen isn't very good. I'm glad they delt him.

[El Mudo]

Boston's sending Lashoff back to TB for Recchi....yikes!!

[razorboy]

I like Lashoff and Karsums. I don't really care for giving up the 2nd, but you have to give to get I guess.

[Fallon]

Boston's sending Lashoff back to TB for Recchi....yikes!!

They needed another veteran with cup experience. They have a ton of young guys.

[El Mudo]

They needed another veteran with cup experience. They have a ton of young guys.


I don't think Recchi really gives them enough now in exchange for what Lashoff could give them down the line

[El Mudo]

Chatter about the Rangers and Derek Morris

[El Mudo]

Guerin to Pittsburgh

[Kevin]

I don't think Recchi really gives them enough now in exchange for what Lashoff could give them down the line

What nickname would you give Recchi if he was a cap?

Mark "The Recching Ball" Recchi?

[El Mudo]

What nickname would you give Recchi is he was a cap?

Mark "The Recching Ball" Recchi?


"Old Guy Who Can't Contribute Any Longer"

[El Mudo]

All the Isles got for Guerin was a conditional draft pick??? WTF?

[Kevin]

All the Isles got for Guerin was a conditional draft pick??? WTF?

Thats what happens when you make your backup goalie your GM.

[nate1000]

All the Isles got for Guerin was a conditional draft pick??? WTF?

they sat the guy for a week, while the coach held "young player only" meetings, guerin never bought in, douggie weight didn't- the entire organization is a joke

[Landblast]

Gaborik is now in play

[El Mudo]

Chris Neil to Florida

[Landblast]

the best NYI can do is a 2nd rounder for Guerin if Pit makes the palyoffs, a 5th rounder if they don't

[Landblast]

i was at the practice today, OV goes off the ice needing assistance, something with his foot

[El Mudo]

the best NYI can do is a 2nd rounder for Guerin if Pit makes the palyoffs, a 5th rounder if they don't


I thought it was a 3rd rounder if they win a series?

[Landblast]

I thought it was a 3rd rounder if they win a series?

i could of sworn it was 2nd but i could be wrong

[El Mudo]

i was at the practice today, OV goes off the ice needing assistance, something with his foot


Tarik says he's okay (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/2009/03/ovechkin_update_and_other_note.html)


Alex Ovechkin did not speak to reporters, but he did walk through the dressing room and did not appear to be limping.

"I asked the trainers, and they said he got hit in the foot and it's sore," Coach Bruce Boudreau said. "But he's okay."

[Landblast]

Tarik says he's okay (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/2009/03/ovechkin_update_and_other_note.html)

great news, i just got back and haven't heard

[El Mudo]

Daniel Carcillo to PHI for Upshall and a 2

[El Mudo]

Antropov to Rangers

[El Mudo]

Antropov to NYR for a second and a conditional

[El Mudo]

Rangers get Derek Morris

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Morris to NYR

[Landblast]

phx get Kalinin Prucha Dawes

[El Mudo]

phx get Khalinin pruch Dawes


Yikes...for one third a season of Derek Morris...

At least they got rid of Kalinin

[Freitag]

phx get Kalinin Prucha Dawes

Damnit, Dawes was a scrapper. But I guess it's good he's going to my "second" Team.

[El Mudo]

Moore to Buffalo...not Chicago

[El Mudo]

Erik Christiansen to Anaheim

[Freitag]

I'm not familiar with Morris - why the hell would the Rangers give up a promising player in Dawes, and 2 younger guys for someone who is over 30 and isn't a productive scorer? I know Prucha's been in the dog house... but it doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's a salary dump.

[El Mudo]

I'm not familiar with Morris - why the hell would the Rangers give up a promising player in Dawes, and 2 younger guys for someone who is over 30 and isn't a productive scorer? I know Prucha's been in the dog house... but it doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's a salary dump.


He's a pretty good DMan that a LOT of teams were after.

Think of it this way...outside of Staal, he pretty much by default becomes the best DMan on your team

[Freitag]

Wow, Phoenix just cleared out. Got rid of Olli, Carcillo, Telqvist... They've gotten younger and cheaper. Which is to be expected, considering their woes.

[Freitag]

He's a pretty good DMan that a LOT of teams were after.

Think of it this way...outside of Staal, he pretty much by default becomes the best DMan on your team

BUT WE HAVE WADE REDDEN

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Philly gets Kyle Mclaren

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Patrick O'Sullivan traded twice in 2 minutes.

[weekapaugjz]

I'm perplexed about the connonly deal. 2 years 9 mil. His previous deal was 3 year for 9 mil. But he was hurt for two thirds of that deal. Let's give him a raise! And be up shits creek when he gets another concussion or stress fracture.

[NickyL0885]

I'm a bit peeved that Guerin turned into a 5th rounder. But It can be better. Its almost gaurenteed that Pitt will make the playoffs to make the pick a 4th. But I dont know about them advancing to the second round to make the pick a 3rd. They have the talent though.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

toronto gets 2 goalies today? hmmm bye bye cujo?

[El Mudo]

Patrick O'Sullivan traded twice in 2 minutes.

3 way deal with EDM and LA...LA gets Justin Williams, EDM gets O'Sullivan, and CAR gets Cole.

Dumb move by Carolina....O'Sullivan is money, and he's a local guy from Winston-Salem


I think Edmonton is trying to set a world record for number of guys name Ales on one team...they picked up Kotalik from Buffalo to go along with Hemsky

toronto gets 2 goalies today? hmmm bye bye cujo?

Kolzig can't play, he's out for the year with an injury. That deal is a straight salary dump/expiring contract deal with Tampa (along with Heward, who is concussed at the moment, and like Kolzig, will never play for the Leafs)

Toskala's out for the year, so I assume theyre going to use a combo of Gerber and Joseph down the stretch (not like it matters). They were going to get Gerber in order to flip him around quickly, but they couldn't get it done. Pogge's the future there, but they want him playing important games for the Marlies right now, because it matters more there now than it does with the big club

[El Mudo]

Since he moved today....


**Are you shitting me?? Andy Wosniewski?? Holy Fiddler's flip!!**

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[MHasegawa]

Like the O' Sullivan deal, not crazy about Kotalik though. Kotalik had a good year after the lockout but he's been downhill ever since.

[Thrice]

Like the O' Sullivan deal, not crazy about Kotalik though. Kotalik had a good year after the lockout but he's been downhill ever since.

You guys got a very good player with a ton of potential in O'Sullivan. He just did not fit on the current Kings team and I wish him all the luck in the world in Edmonton.

[weekapaugjz]

Like the O' Sullivan deal, not crazy about Kotalik though. Kotalik had a good year after the lockout but he's been downhill ever since.

He has a cannon of a shot. I'm a little sad to see him go. I always liked him.

[Gwen]

I can't even begin to say how upset I am by today. All I can be happy for is that the cancer of Kalinin is gone. Redden still sucks a dick, but at least he scored a goal.

[hexy68]

kinda quiet deadline this year...my Flyers picked up another goon...don't know why though :wacko:

[denko]

kinda quiet deadline this year...my Flyers picked up another goon...don't know why though :wacko:

they got kyle mclaren, he could be one of the best hitters in the league (when he's playing). loved him here in boston, had some injury problems though. doesn't look like he's played this year at all.

[keithy_19]

they got kyle mclaren, he could be one of the dirtiest hitters in the league (when he's playing). loved him here in boston, had some injury problems though. doesn't look like he's played this year at all.

Fixed it for you.

[El Mudo]

Patrick O'Sullivan traded twice in 2 minutes.

I was confounded as to why the Canes would turn around and flip O'Sullivan for Cole, but it turns out that its not really a good idea for him to play in Carolina

Well, it turns out that it would have been impossible for O’Sullivan to play here. For his well-being. When Patrick O’Sullivan looks for his dad in the crowd after a game, he’s not doing it for normal reasons. He’s doing it because he hopes that dad isn’t there.
Patio’s father, John, is one of the biggest jerks in America, and he lives right here in North Carolina. He was an abusive father and he’s had numerous restraining orders placed against him by his ex-wife and also by Patrick. He’s banned from entering any Ontarian hockey rink and there are now efforts to have a permanent restraining order, valid in all 50 US states. None of that matters, because John O’Sullivan has violated every restraining order and is rightly perceived as a physical threat.

Link 1 (http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/rbh/comments/the_story_behind_the_osullivan_story/)

Link 2 (http://garejoyce.blogspot.com/2007/01/saddest-story-in-hockey-abused.html)

Patrick O'Sullivan didn’t have to look for his father in the stands at the game in Ottawa on Jan. 4, 2002. He was the guy leaning over the glass behind the IceDogs’ bench. The one screaming at Patrick, “You’re f---ing finished. You should have gone to f---ing college. You’re going f---ing home.”
The tension had been building all day. John and Cathie had driven 10 hours from Michigan to Ottawa for the game. They’d dropped Kelley and their other daughter, 8-year-old Shannon, at John’s parents’ in Toronto. The drive gave John time to simmer: Patrick was screwing up. He was soft.
By the time they made it to the arena, John was seething. On the bench, Patrick stared straight ahead. Without turning around, he yelled at his father to “f--- off.”
After the game, Patrick was about to get on the team bus when, according to teammates, John grabbed him and shoved him into his van. John told Patrick he’d played his last game, and then drove from Ottawa to his parents’ house in Toronto, ranting for the entire four-hour trip.
Cathie was terrified, but Patrick was defiant: “I’d had enough. So many times I wanted to quit just to get back at him. But not now. I was going to play. It was my life, after all. I was even laughing at him.”
When the van pulled up to John’s parents’ house before dawn, he went to collect Kelley and Shannon. Patrick got out of the van too, telling his father that he wasn’t coming home. He was making a stand for himself. It had to end now, he said, knowing exactly what was coming.
On the lawn, with his parents and John’s younger brother Barry looking on in horror, O’Sullivan started punching and kicking his 16-year-old son. Fighting was John’s game. He had more than 30 pounds on Patrick. It was the Atlantic Coast league all over again. He left Patrick in a heap on the grass, bruised and cut.
John got in the car and drove off alone before Patrick got up off his knees. Cathie called the police. That afternoon, a judge issued a warrant for his arrest.

What an awful story...

[Tenbatsuzen]

This guy Avery sure is scrappy! I must know more about him!

[keithy_19]

McLaren failed his physical. Going back to San Jose.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=412725

[TheGameHHH]

This guy Avery sure is scrappy! I must know more about him!

A) He's a bitch B) He's a cancer of the T.O. proportions C) He's a douchebag

if you need more answers feel free to contact me

[Tenbatsuzen]

A) He's a bitch B) He's a cancer of the T.O. proportions C) He's a douchebag

if you need more answers feel free to contact me

Tell me about Claude Lemieux, then!

[El Mudo]

Caps/Pens again today....


As the Replacements once said, Its too late to turn back, here we go

[denko]

Caps/Pens again today....


As the Replacements once said, Its too late to turn back, here we go

i wish that was the NBC game of the week.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know, for a guy whose "career was over", NBC seems to get a lot of mileage of promoting Sean Avery. It's been an Avery lovefest on NBC today.

That being said, Howard Stern is wrong. Lesbians do not equal ratings. Assholes = Ratings.

[Kevin]

Just got home from the game. Was sitting in a row of B's fans, including Fallon and Stump. Good game.

[El Mudo]

i wish that was the NBC game of the week.


You have the THREE BIGGEST STARS IN THE GAME playing each other, in a fantastic game with a ton of storylines that featured a team coming back from two goals down in the third period and a shoot out......and you put on a B's/Rangers game....


Great thinking NBC...not like anyone's trying to grow the game here :blink::blink::wacko::wacko:

[Kevin]

You have the THREE BIGGEST STARS IN THE GAME playing each other, in a fantastic game with a ton of storylines that featured a team coming back from two goals down in the third period and a shoot out......and you put on a B's/Rangers game....


Great thinking NBC...not like anyone's trying to grow the game here :blink::blink::wacko::wacko:

Rangers B's are two of the biggest team in the league. NHL put those two on enough. Relax.

And besides....

Me and Fallon were there.. It had to be on NBC:tongue:

[denko]

my man fernandez let me down today, i think thats 4 strait L's for him. 1-2-2 in his last 5.

[Fallon]

my man fernandez let me down today, i think thats 4 strait L's for him. 1-2-2 in his last 5.

He's been god awful since he came back from whatever injury he had. He let two goals in yesterday with his back to center ice. WTF?

...and Mudo. Wasn't Caps/Pit on NBC like two weeks ago? Boston's the best team in the East and New York is a huge national market with the towns being historical rivals.

[El Mudo]

He's been god awful since he came back from whatever injury he had. He let two goals in yesterday with his back to center ice. WTF?

...and Mudo. Wasn't Caps/Pit on NBC like two weeks ago? Boston's the best team in the East and New York is a huge national market with the towns being historical rivals.



Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Semin > Boston/New York


I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bad idea for CBS to put on Magic and Bird every week in the 80s no? They are the biggest stars in the entire game...you HAVE to put them on national TV as often as practicable


The only reason this game was on NBC was that they were planning on Avery doing something completely insane

[Fallon]

Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Semin > Boston/New York


I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bad idea for CBS to put on Magic and Bird every week in the 80s no? They are the biggest stars in the entire game...you HAVE to put them on national TV as often as practicable


The only reason this game was on NBC was that they were planning on Avery doing something completely insane

The game got moved to NBC like two months ago. Way before Avery.

[Freitag]

Mudo... I had to check to confirm, but:

Pens/Caps was on NBC less than 2 weeks ago. 2/22/09

You can't put the same teams back on National TV 2 weeks apart, especially when you're trying to grow the game. And in hindsight, Rangers/Bruins was a phenomenal game.

[El Mudo]

The game got moved to NBC like two months ago. Way before Avery.


NBC decides the games two weeks in advance (or thereabouts)

Mudo... I had to check to confirm, but:

Pens/Caps was on NBC less than 2 weeks ago. 2/22/09

You can't put the same teams back on National TV 2 weeks apart, especially when you're trying to grow the game. And in hindsight, Rangers/Bruins was a phenomenal game.


....that got lower ratings than the Pens/Caps game two weeks ago

And the Rangers are on AGAIN next week, and the Bruins will probably be on again in two weeks when they play Jersey (although I can see them going with Philadelphia/Pittsburgh instead)

You're missing my point about "growing the game"...you do that with recognizable superstars like Magic and Bird (and Ovechkin and Crosby)...you don't do it with Nik Antropov and Marc Savard for example. As good as those two are, they're not nearly as known, or as great, or as recognizeable right now as Ovechkin, Crosby, and Malkin.

. I'm sure the Rangers game was great, but it really doesn't get much better than it coming down to a shootout with Crosby and Ovechkin as the last two shooters.

[denko]

NBC has a hardon for the rags, they always have. seems like they have been in more "NBC game(s) of the week" than any other team. they seem to play a lot of atlantic div teams in general. why? i have no idea.

maybe they went with the O6 match-up because the B's are the top team in the east and the rangers are still fighting to stay in the hunt for a playoff berth. i agree as far as the entertainment value being less than that of a WAS vs PIT game (when looking at it from a nationally televised perspective), but what can you do?

[keithy_19]

Tell me about Claude Lemieux, then!

How can you compare Claude and Sean? The only thing similar is that they are instigators who get under the skin of the opposing team.

Lemieux has far more talent than Avery does AND he wasn't a cancer on the teams he played for.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Lemieux has more playoff goals then Avery has career goals. FACE:thumbup:

[Kevin]

Mudo. You need about 3 more Ovi's and Crosby's to make Wash Pitt even close to as big of a Draw as NY and Bos.

Especially Bos being real good and NY fighting for a playoff spot.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Lemieux has more playoff goals then Avery has career goals. FACE:thumbup:

Lemieux's also played like, 80 years more.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mudo. You need about 3 more Ovi's and Crosby's to make Wash Pitt even close to as big of a Draw as NY and Bos.

Especially Bos being real good and NY fighting for a playoff spot.

I think he needs a bulldog avatar.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Lemieux's also played like, 80 years more.

He has played in 233 playoff games. Avery has played in 420 games regular season and playoffs.

[Kevin]

I think he needs a bulldog avatar.

Oh, i think its way beyond that.

I think he needs and Penny Lane Avatar at this point

[Donnie Iris]

Mudo. You need about 3 more Ovi's and Crosby's to make Wash Pitt even close to as big of a Draw as NY and Bos.

Especially Bos being real good and NY fighting for a playoff spot.



False. It may be a bigger draw in their respectecd regions and mabye even to hockey fans, but for a sport trying to gain exposure Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin are clearly the logical play.

[Kevin]

False. It may be a bigger draw in their respectecd regions and mabye even to hockey fans, but for a sport trying to gain exposure Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin are clearly the logical play.

The sport does not do nearly enough Marketing outside of hockey for that.

The non Hockey fan is going to see Wash and Pitt and say, fuck that, i am not watching.

Where as they will see Bos vs NY and maybe tune in.

I agree, if the NHL marketed the heck outa Ovi and Crosby, people would watch.

[Donnie Iris]

The sport does not do nearly enough Marketing outside of hockey for that.

The non Hockey fan is going to see Wash and Pitt and say, fuck that, i am not watching.

Where as they will see Bos vs NY and maybe tune in.

I agree, if the NHL marketed the heck outa Ovi and Crosby, people would watch.


I don't understand why a non hockeyfan would somehow be more drawn to Bos v NY.

Literally makes no sense. The only players non fans may know are the afore mentioned from PIT and WSH.

Also, the game was better anyway.

[Fallon]

NBC decides the games two weeks in advance (or thereabouts)




....that got lower ratings than the Pens/Caps game two weeks ago

And the Rangers are on AGAIN next week, and the Bruins will probably be on again in two weeks when they play Jersey (although I can see them going with Philadelphia/Pittsburgh instead)

You're missing my point about "growing the game"...you do that with recognizable superstars

I knew about it being moved to NBC almost two months ago, I had tickets and was planning my trip around it.

And "growing the game"? Who the fuck cares? You don't care if new people watch the NHL you just want everyone else to see you have Ovi on your club. Hockey fans watch hockey, shouldn't matter who is playing.

Bruins have the best record in the East and the Rangers were doing okay when the game was promoted to NBC and they lucked out with Avery.

[disneyspy]

this eastern conference hockey talk is retarded,wherevere the redwings go the place sells out,the only team people want to see is the wings,shut up with those crappy eastern hockey teams,they suck and no cares,outside of the tards in new york

[Kevin]

I don't understand why a non hockeyfan would somehow be more drawn to Bos v NY.

Literally makes no sense. The only players non fans may know are the afore mentioned from PIT and WSH.

Also, the game was better anyway.

They would get drawn by Bos and NY just because they are fierce rivals in Any sport they play.

And The Bos NY Game was very good after the 1st.

[Kevin]

this eastern conference hockey talk is retarded,wherevere the redwings go the place sells out,the only team people want to see is the wings,shut up with those crappy eastern hockey teams,they suck and no cares,outside of the tards in new york

Your team is not even in the west. Thats how much your town stinks. No time zone or coast really wants anything to do with you.

[El Mudo]

I knew about it being moved to NBC almost two months ago, I had tickets and was planning my trip around it.

And "growing the game"? Who the fuck cares? You don't care if new people watch the NHL you just want everyone else to see you have Ovi on your club. Hockey fans watch hockey, shouldn't matter who is playing.

Bruins have the best record in the East and the Rangers were doing okay when the game was promoted to NBC and they lucked out with Avery.


It has nothing to do with "wanting everyone to see that I have Ovi on my club". I watched the game locally anyway. What it has to do with is putting the last two Hart Trophy winners (and probably the next one, Malkin) on national TV on the only day of the week its on National TV, plain and simple.

Who's more exciting than Ovechkin, Malkin and Crosby? Get back to me when you find out.

Yes, I give a fuck about "growing the game" because I LOVE HOCKEY. I want to see it do well and expand and grow, because it makes it more popular, and gets it out of being a niche sport.

The sport does not do nearly enough Marketing outside of hockey for that.

The non Hockey fan is going to see Wash and Pitt and say, fuck that, i am not watching.

Where as they will see Bos vs NY and maybe tune in.

I agree, if the NHL marketed the heck outa Ovi and Crosby, people would watch.

The league DOESN'T market the heck out of Ovechkin and Crosby? You're joking right? I have Nigerian Security guards at work asking me every day about Ovechkin and Crosby, and they've never even SEEN a hockey game, they've just seen that crazy goal he's scored against the Habs, or the one against Phoenix a few years ago. Its something called "marketing".

[cougarjake13]

and yet it wasnt enough for them to switch to boston new york

[Kevin]

It has nothing to do with "wanting everyone to see that I have Ovi on my club". I watched the game locally anyway. What it has to do with is putting the last two Hart Trophy winners (and probably the next one, Malkin) on national TV on the only day of the week its on National TV, plain and simple.

Who's more exciting than Ovechkin, Malkin and Crosby? Get back to me when you find out.

Yes, I give a fuck about "growing the game" because I LOVE HOCKEY. I want to see it do well and expand and grow, because it makes it more popular, and gets it out of being a niche sport.



The league DOESN'T market the heck out of Ovechkin and Crosby? You're joking right? I have Nigerian Security guards at work asking me every day about Ovechkin and Crosby, and they've never even SEEN a hockey game, they've just seen that crazy goal he's scored against the Habs, or the one against Phoenix a few years ago. Its something called "marketing".

You do realize that there are people in Washington that have no idea who ovechkin is right?

[TheGameHHH]

You do realize that there are people in Washington that have no idea who ovechkin is right?

i really think youre fighting a silly battle trying to claim the NHL doesnt market Ovie & Crosby. just because the NHL isnt all that popular doesnt mean they arent marketing their young superstars.

[Kevin]

i really think youre fighting a silly battle trying to claim the NHL doesnt market Ovie & Crosby. just because the NHL isnt all that popular doesnt mean they arent marketing their young superstars.

They did a hell of alot more in the mid to late 90's. Remember those awesome Nike Goalie commercials?

I can't remember the last time i have seen a Hockey Commercial on TV.

[Fallon]

The league DOESN'T market the heck out of Ovechkin and Crosby? You're joking right? I have Nigerian Security guards at work asking me every day about Ovechkin and Crosby, and they've never even SEEN a hockey game, they've just seen that crazy goal he's scored against the Habs, or the one against Phoenix a few years ago. Its something called "marketing".

So the marketing worked so good they didn't bother tuning in a game?

People don't just fall into a sport. For the most part you gotta grow up with it.

The NHL markets to NHL fans. They are stupid and should have stayed on ESPN no matter how much they got low balled. Who the fuck watches Verses? At least on ESPN somebody might turn the channel to see what's on.

[El Mudo]

You do realize that there are people in Washington that have no idea who ovechkin is right?



Just as there are people in NY who have no idea who any of the Rangers are, and just as there are people in Boston who have no idea who any of the Bruins are...point?

They did a hell of alot more in the mid to late 90's. Remember those awesome Nike Goalie commercials?

I can't remember the last time i have seen a Hockey Commercial on TV.


Sid's on at least 3 Reebok commercials...the endless commercials they play for NHL Centre Ice feature a guy wearing a Crosby jersey watching Crosby highlights. He's widely regarded as the "face" of the NHL.

So the marketing worked so good they didn't bother tuning in a game?

People don't just fall into a sport. For the most part you gotta grow up with it.

The NHL markets to NHL fans. They are stupid and should have stayed on ESPN no matter how much they got low balled. Who the fuck watches Verses? At least on ESPN somebody might turn the channel to see what's on.


You don't think there's a problem with that? There's an obvious paralell here with the NBA, which was DYING in the late 70s for a number of reasons. They saved the league because of Magic, Bird, and Jordan, aggressively marketing them, and putting them on TV so people who didn't really like/follow basketball could see them. How is that a bad thing, and how does this somehow make me a BDC level sycophant?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mudo, stop using the Bird/Magic/Jordan analogy in reference to Crosby. The kid is good, but his personality needs work. As Jules Winfield once said, a little personality goes a long way. You can use the Bird/Magic/Jordan analogy to Ovechkin. That I don't have a problem with.

This is all stemming from your silly reasoning that the Pens and Caps should be on national TV as much as possible. The thing about Bird vs. Magic is, they actually faced off in the finals a few times before that whole rivalry really snowballed. They also faced each other in the NCAA tournament, which is a pretty big deal. Caps vs. Pens don't NEARLY have the sizzle that Bird vs. Magic has. Shit, Avalance vs. Red Wings has more sizzle than Caps vs. Pens.

That being said, you can't put the same teams on national TV in the regular season within 2 weeks of each other. It gets boring for any other fan.

I don't even LIKE hockey being on National TV. I think the local RSNs do a lot better job presenting the game than NBC.

I LOVE HOCKEY too, but you have to throw a little variety in there. And yes, the Rangers have been on there a lot. They are only TV Market #1.

[El Mudo]

Mudo, stop using the Bird/Magic/Jordan analogy in reference to Crosby. The kid is good, but his personality needs work. As Jules Winfield once said, a little personality goes a long way. You can use the Bird/Magic/Jordan analogy to Ovechkin. That I don't have a problem with.

This is all stemming from your silly reasoning that the Pens and Caps should be on national TV as much as possible. The thing about Bird vs. Magic is, they actually faced off in the finals a few times before that whole rivalry really snowballed. They also faced each other in the NCAA tournament, which is a pretty big deal. Caps vs. Pens don't NEARLY have the sizzle that Bird vs. Magic has. Shit, Avalance vs. Red Wings has more sizzle than Caps vs. Pens.

That being said, you can't put the same teams on national TV in the regular season within 2 weeks of each other. It gets boring for any other fan.

I don't even LIKE hockey being on National TV. I think the local RSNs do a lot better job presenting the game than NBC.

I LOVE HOCKEY too, but you have to throw a little variety in there. And yes, the Rangers have been on there a lot. They are only TV Market #1.


Pens/Caps doesn't have sizzle? Just this year we've had:

-Ovechkin spending an entire game slamming Malkin around, prompting widespread confusion, rumoured to be related to Ovechkin pummeling Malkin's agent

-Semin calling out Crosby as "dead wood" in a pretty infamous interview

-Ovechkin making chicken flapping motions at Crosby and them both running their mouths at each other during the game and to the press which led to....

-Don Cherry ripping Ovechkin and Europeans (again) for excessive celebration, leading to widespread scorn/media attention

-A game coming down to the last two MVPs in the league in the shootout back to back, which also featured a guy scoring a goal on one leg and teetering to one side


#1 market aside, does it get boring for other fans when the Rangers are on back-to-back weeks as is the case this week? And Avs/Wings doesn't have any "sizzle" any more because the Avs are godawful.

NBC's coverage aside, its the way to get the game exposed to the most people as possible, bottom line, and the biggest stars in the game are Ovechkin, Crosby, and Malkin, (not to mention all of Pittsburgh pretty much tunes in to every game).

I'll give you this...its not as bad as Versus' decision to put the two worst teams in the league against each other in the only televised game in the US one night, but its still a questionable marketing decision and a big missed opportunity.

[denko]

i have to agree with mudo here, as far as the "star" factor and what would be a bigger draw. how many NON-hockey fans or "casual" viewers can name even one ranger? or a fucking bruin for that matter? like it or not those are the new gretzkys and lemieuxs and yzermans.

i watch every bruins game because i am local, but as far as games going on that day, as a hockey fan, i would have rather seen the pens - caps game on NBC. if for no other reason the story lines between malkin - ovechkin and crosby - ovechkin and the fact the stanley cup finalists from a year ago are clinging to a playoff spot. not to mention the fact that one game had the top three scorers in the league, 4 of the top 11 and the top scoring defensman.

seeing as the B's are not in the same division as either of those teams i don't get to see them all that often.

and i don't think mudo's argument was the caps and pens should be on as much as possible, so much as why a bruins - rangers game takes priority. it would be like fox airing a rays - blue jays game while the yankees and sox were playing.

[Kevin]

I have not seen one hockey player on a non nhl channel selling anything in years. For Christ sake, Gillette picked a fucking Tennis and Soccer player to go along with Tiger and Jeter in those commercials. Thats a perfect spot for a Crosby or Ovi, IF THE NHL KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

[denko]

good point, why not malkin and a baby faced crosby doing gillette young guns commercials?

hell they could throw phil kessel on one of the pro-active commercials that jessica simpson was doing. shawn thornton could double as a geico caveman.

let's get this shit going, bettman!

seriously, when is the last time a hockey player pushed ANYTHING? i can't think of anything off the top of my head, like big time endorsement deals.

[denko]

NHL and GMs look to put an end to "staged fights"

www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=413255&navid=DL|NHL|Home

[Kevin]

NHL and GMs look to put an end to "staged fights"

www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=413255&navid=DL|NHL|Home

Goodie, take away more fun parts of hockey.

[Gwen]

And the Rangers are on AGAIN next week,

Look for my drunk, er..., shining face on TV that day. Rangers vs. Philly 12:30 childrens! I'll be rockin' my Green St. Paddy's day Ranger's shirt.

[weekapaugjz]

god damn do the sabres suck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look for my drunk, er..., shining face on TV that day. Rangers vs. Philly 12:30 childrens! I'll be rockin' my Green St. Paddy's day Ranger's shirt.

You? Drink? Hockey game? Pshaw.

[Tenbatsuzen]

god damn do the sabres suck.

GIVE ME THAT FISH

[weekapaugjz]

at least asham got his ass kicked by kaleta.

is it bills season yet?

[Gwen]

I have not seen one hockey player on a non nhl channel selling anything in years. For Christ sake, Gillette picked a fucking Tennis and Soccer player to go along with Tiger and Jeter in those commercials. Thats a perfect spot for a Crosby or Ovi, IF THE NHL KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

What about the Ovie Lay's potato chips commercial a few years ago. I think that was on regular TV sometimes, no? And the one commercial where all the hockey players are in a hotel pranking each other.

[Gwen]

is it bills season yet?


Teeeee Owwwwwwwwwuuuhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Tenbatsuzen]

What about the Ovie Lay's potato chips commercial a few years ago. I think that was on regular TV sometimes, no? And the one commercial where all the hockey players are in a hotel pranking each other.

And what about the snickers commercial for his new cologne?

Wait... that was Gheorge Muresan... my bad.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Possible commercials:

Chris Drury for Tom Emanski's skills and drills

Sean Avery for Xanax

Henrik Lundqvist's Fertility Clinic

[weekapaugjz]

thomas vanek for 1800-DENTIST

[Gwen]

Possible commercials:

Henrik Lundqvist's Fertility Clinic

I'm not just a Rangers fan, I'm also a client.